Newcastle Situation Similar To When Keegan Rejoined Newcastle


Newcastle’s right full-back Danny Simpson was like all out players after last night;’s game, and bitterly disappointed that we had leaked two goals in the last 9 minutes of the game at stoke, when we looked comfortable as though we were heading for our first victory in five league games in the Premier League.

Kevin Keegan – in his second spell as Newcastle manager
It took 9 league games before we got a win

But it was not to be, but there were many positives to take out of the game – Papiss Cisse finally got his first league goal of the season, and that will help his confidence no end, and all our players carried out the game plane almost to perfection, and yet we still came up short, and it was indeed another terrible result, but on the bright side – a very decent performance.

Danny Simpson talked of Newcastle almost getting a famous win last night

“It was a big blow. You can’t fault our performance and we gave it everything, every single one of us.” “We looked comfortable and we felt comfortable at the back. We were dealing with everything they threw at us and we were trying to get a second goal.”

“We had a couple of chances, but the first goal and then the second one straight afterwards were just a big blow because I think we deserved a win, to be honest with you.” “We all had a good chat after Southampton and said it wasn’t good enough and that we need to perform better away from home to give us a chance.”

“And it was the complete opposite from Southampton.” “We did everything right. The game-plan was perfect and we went 1-0 up. But those two goals were a killer because I thought we deserved to win the game.” “I don’t think they were better than us, but they got the two goals.”

“We have got a couple of days now before the next game and we have to pick ourselves up and get going again.”

Next up is Wigan at home on Monday night, and we hope there’s a good turnout from the fans – to roar Newcastle onto a possible first win in six league games.

It’s  a lot like we were in the 2007-2008 season when Kevin Keegan was in charge, and Newcastle kept coming up short, and didn’t win a first league game under Kevin until his 9th league game in charge.

And that was the 2-0 win at home to Fulham on 22nd March – and Kevin had rejoined Newcastle on 16th January, 2008 – following the sacking of big Sam Allardyce.

In those previous 8 league games we had three draws and five defeats – 3 points from 8 games.

But Kevin was right and he said once we got that first win, the confidence it will give the players will make the team OK – and in the last 7 league games of that season we got 11 points, with 3 wins and two draws and two defeats.

It seems a similar situation at the moment at Newcastle – and all we need is that first win – and we almost got it last night.

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175 comments so far

  • Indian Magpie

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #1

    ED

    I would say it is similar to when he left AGAIN! and JFK (sounds like an airport) joined. Crazy gang Mk 2

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #2

    If the players carried out the game plan to almost perfection Ed, then the game plan was shite.

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  • Marty-Toon

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #3

    9Marty-Toon // Nov 29, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    Hotdog
    The difference is that Man U play their young defenders throughout a couple of years in the cup etc to give them some mins on the pitch and have them around the senior players to give confidence when they’re actually needed because of injury.
    We bring in Good and have Tavernier and yet it’ll be a couple of years before they’re utilized.

    Willo in my opinion is just like Andy o’brien when he played.
    Always good for a mistake and think of it when o’brien played we were in Europe and had a good squad yet useless Cb.
    And that was a time when we spent money on players.
    We ended up spending money on the likes of Boumsong,Bramble and O’Brien- any wonder we never won anything?
    We haven’t been good at picking out good centre halves

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  • Marty-Toon

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #4

    Indian
    You’re not far off there.
    It is like the time when KK kicked his dummy outa the pram n left us in the mire

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  • hotdog

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #5

    Marty – Totally Agree, Mr Carr needs to concentrate all his efforts on CB’s

    Going back to Ferdinand remember when Bale when flying past him for Spurs goal. One mistake, if you can call it that with that speed merchant, and he gets slated. Our defenders make error after error it is beyhond a joke

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  • boater

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #6

    As I recall, it wasn’t just the win that restored belief but the switch to 4-3-3 with Owen playing behind a front two of Viduka and Martins. Keegan realised he needed to play his best players and switch the formation. Exactly what we need now – 4-3-1-2 Not playing this is why we are on a downward spiral. This is the way forward.

    Indian – JFK is an airport brainiac.

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  • mattyNUFC

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #7

    TDS

    more than a fair point there

    and sirtoon – last thread

    i feel your pain. I’m not a ST holder but i’ve spent my fair share on trans-Atlantic flights to game and am going to the Bordeaux match next week as well. Even if MA did invest heavily, i’d still be worried about what AP would do with those players, as his entire 24 months here has proved to me at least

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #8

    I am harping on again but our problem is we have a full squad of players without one having genuine pace. Obertan is quick but doesnt run, HBA has great acceleration but wont run flat out over 50 yards, not his style.

    We need pace up front or out wide to stretch teams and create room for our creative players.

    We also need pace at the back….simmo and willo on the right half of the defence are too slow as a combo. Colo is equally as slow but usually has better positioning, santon is quite quick but still learning to defend consistently.

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  • Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner)

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #9

    If we can reach 20 points or higher by Christmas, and spend wisely in January, then we still have a chance of a decent finish in the league. In my opinion.

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  • boater

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #10

    It’s funny reading hotdog (normally a decent poster) and others discussing Williamson. He is not the greatest all-round performer, but by virtue of him playing in a heavy number of positive results/performances since he’s been here – why are you supposing he is the reason he are struggling so? You are scapegoating in order to find a quick solution to a wider problem. We always do it, and normally it means singling out players.

    The problem is endemic.

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  • Marty-Toon

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:48 AM

    Comment #11

    Maybe MA is off talking to Beckham to sign for a few bob a week?
    One thing the guy would give us is a decent dead ball situation,he’s worth a lot of goals in that sense

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  • Indian Magpie

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #12

    bring back geremi

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  • Jonny

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #13

    ———————Krul————————

    Perch——Colo———-Willo——–Santon

    ————Tiote———-Anita—————-

    Ben Arfa——–Marveaux————-Cisse

    ———————-Ba————————

    Need Ben Arfa back ASAP so our team can start shaping up like this.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Comment #14

    Boater

    I think Williamson is poor but last night the whole defence was terrible for both goals.

    Willo was left two against one with jones and jerome. Where was everyone else?

    The team as a whole has been shocking with the odd exception.

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  • Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner)

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Comment #15

    There are what, 54 points available after new year? We could still win the league man 🙂

    I’m only joking please don’t lynch me.

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  • mark -ee- j-a-y

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #16

    Difference this time tho is that the manager can see we are in a mess and wont just run away at the 1st sign of trouble as a certain `messiah` did.
    If keegan loved the toon as much as i do and am sure every1 else on here he WOULDNT OF WALKED BECAUSE IT WAS OBVIOUS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF HE DID. On the day keegan walked i said 2 many of my felklow toon fans that we would get relageted that season and look what happened.

    King Kev?

    more like

    Coward Kev

    for me…

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  • hotdog

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #17

    Boater – I aim to please 🙂

    Of course we have other problems but he is a big one. i dont blame AP for the fact we did not sign a CB but the regime. Dont let last years good results fool you, you must be able to see how poor he is. I ll say again its not his fault he should not be at this level. Anywhere near this level!

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #18

    Wizard…so you are saying there is still a chance ;D lol

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  • Les Grossman

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    Comment #19

    Hotdog
    Spot on mate.
    Boater hasnt a clue if he thinks that the team did not need any strengthening in the summer!!

    98% of us on here (Approx) knew that we would be asking for trouble if we didnt strengthen…..CB positon in particular!!!

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  • Marty-Toon

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    Comment #20

    Boater
    Well he doesn’t instill confidence in the back line for one
    He is tall yet does vary little in set plays apart from give away free kicks
    When on the ball he rarely plays the ball on the ground and often his passing is way off

    He’s not he only one to blame,it’s a team game but you’d think with his height and the time he’s spent in the PL that he’d be a more decent player.
    I don’t agree with people sayin he’s only a conference player,he’d do quite well in the championship or maybe beside a dominant CB like Huth or Hangeland but certainly looks a weak link in our back line.
    From yesterdays game the 2nd goal Collo didn’t look much better and if it had of been Willo that let his man go then he woulda got slated by people on here yet t was Willo that got the blame.
    He was beaten in the air by Jones whom is twice as strong as him n bigger

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  • hotdog

    Nov 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #21

    Indian Magpie – I have just remembered another oooh the list is endless “Frank Dumas” its like a bloody horror film our Centre Back signings 🙂

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Comment #22

    I’d rather have Williamson playing than Taylor at the moment. All this talk about missing 11 first team players – Hatem is the only one that would even make my team.

    Cabaye is a good player – a very good player – but if we’re playing 4-4-2, I’d rather stick two bulldogs in midfield and play two out and out wingers who actually feel like attacking.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Comment #23

    marty

    I made that point. At least willo tracked back and lost the header…colo just let his man go.

    You would have thought when we aren’t playing well the team would not be making lazy mistakes like that to throw away the good work they did.

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  • Les Grossman

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #24

    Boater your analogy of Williamosn playing in more wins than defeats…..
    Could this not be because he hasnt played too many games and when he does…its usually against lesser oppostion? Reason for this….go on what do you reckon….injuries to First choice players, better players, or suqad rotations in games we are expected to win…no more oprions….pick number 1 or number 2 please.

    Fact remains, us that were there last night idntified one weak link in the team…..you guessed it…….98% of newcastle fans ant be wrong surely?

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  • Indian Magpie

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    Comment #25

    Hot Dog,

    i am going home from office, but

    There is another one for you

    David Rozenhal

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  • Moe-NUFC

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    Comment #26

    hotdog
    that’s my point too, “Willo is not the only problem but he is a BIG ONE”
    tactics, team spirit, selections .. plenty of problems exist everywhere .. and making excuses is Not Good ..
    it’s gonna be foolish if we don’t buy players (defenders) this winter, NO its not a panic buy! but we needed CB as long as I remember!

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  • Les Grossman

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    Comment #27

    TDS
    I would rather play Wills than Taylor at the minute also….
    We’d be even moire frigged if we played a CB with an Hamstring tear at the back I believe!!

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  • cadete

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    Comment #28

    Boater
    That is the biggest load of nonsence I’ve ever heard 4312? Lol what are u on about? And Williamson is a major liability as is Simpson and Guti! Go back to your football manager you muppet

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  • alex84

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Comment #29

    I think we should take into account that it was a better performance than Southampton, but that was not hard, Ba and Cisse cant play together its as simple as that, how Jonas is still playing is beyond me, even the commentator said “Alan Pardew really needs to have a look at Jonas, and why he is picking him, as he is offering nothing” if we see it, the commentators see it, why the hell can’t the man in charge not see it,
    Fair play to Anita who ran his socks off, he has come from a team that keeps possession, are patient in there play and have fantastic movement off the ball, to a team who deem it a race to turn defence into a attack with one direct pass up top, to two static centre forwards, it’s the same old story, style of play is shocking, no link up play at all.

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  • hotdog

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Comment #30

    Indian – Just as well your doing one 😉

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #31

    cadete

    I’m not sure what your point is there.

    4312 is a formation. We played it against Aston Villa earlier this year.

    Erm…

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Comment #32

    The only advantage to playing jonas I can see is in a central defence role. And even then not as first choice.

    If he plays DM he can sweep around the left hand side of the pitch allowing santon and the left sided player to get forward.

    But if Jonas does play DM he cant do it in a two man central midfield, he needs to be part of a 3 for that.

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  • mattyNUFC

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    Comment #33

    markeejay

    agree about keegan

    but pardew not leaving probably has something to do with him never being able to find a better job than us

    england? ha. what a farce

    and TDS

    tayls has been poor this year, but willo takes the cake by a mile. at least taylor is there putting his body on the line and block shots. can’t stand to see that stupid, dejected face of williamson after an error of his, trotting back looking into the distance. sack up, son! focus on the upcoming ocrner you needlessly gave away!

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Comment #34

    matty

    I know what you mean, but Taylors arrogance angers me in the same way Pardews does. I’ve just never liked the guy. All this hometown hero crap – the smug **** couldn’t wait to get away until we offered him a big contract.

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  • boater

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    Comment #35

    Williamson is not the core problem. The problem is endemic which means that it starts to affect everything – as one of our less technically gifted players he will probably start showing signs of a lack of confidence first. So the mob sniff blood and off they go.

    We had our strongest backline and 8 full internationals in total out against Swansea -who had 2 or 3. So how in that particular situation can can we blame lack of summer strengthening? If we throw money at it January will that change the tactical approach to games in the longrun? We could throw a hundred million at the squad- sure it would help but it’s not the core issue.

    I was gutted we didn’t invest in the summer, but that’s not why we lost to 4 mid-table teams on the trot.

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  • cadete

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    Comment #36

    Tds I dunno what your on about you would drop cabaye and play Williamson in front of saylor! Enough said

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    Comment #37

    One thing I have noticed about Taylor is that he loves waving his hands around like they are on fire when trying to organise the defence 🙂 . Never seen a player do it do much

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  • Transfer Sage

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #38

    not naming names as I think that generates debate about the wrong thing, more want to address the positions we need to fill not the players.

    We need a CB, fullback and pacey striker/winger in Jan.

    Obviously more would be a bonus but we are covered well enough in other areas until the summer I think.

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  • ToonDownSouth

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #39

    BPC

    But then Taylor’s always out of position himself!

    cadete

    Your previous comment randomly – and nonsensically – insulting boater has already shown you up enough. Give it a rest, please, there’s enough keyboard warriors on here as it is.

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  • hotdog

    Nov 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #40

    OK I said i wouldnt go to hard on Williamson on here but you guys have enticed me in, like one of those lovely ladies in those Amsterdam windows haha

    1st Goal last night – Not his man that scored agreed. He headed that ball just around the six yard box. Id want my Man Mountain Centre Back to be clearing and reading that situation. Ill cut him some slack on that one, just!

    2nd Goal – The Stoke lad that delivers the ball has all day to look up and float that ball on a diagonal. Now as soon as that ball is played to that players feet id be squeezing up on line with Colo and Simmo to play him offside (again reading the situation). Williamson dosnt, he thinks ill track this lad all the way back and clear with a header (even though im up against Jones who is good in the air). As soon as he went backwards he was in trouble as he left himself isolated one on one. Im not doubting Colo was also at fault (lack of pace again) but it should not have got to that position.

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