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Why Ashley £20M Investment In January Would Be Good Deal

12:26 pm, Friday, November 30th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 137 Comments

Newcastle owner should be willing to pay out quite a bit of cash in the January transfer window – in order to ensure we are in the Premier League next season, and when you look at the new numbers for what Premier League teams will receive from the new TV deal – we could lose a staggering amount if we are relegated this season.

Ashley – should I pay out £20M to ensure we could get £92M next season?

We reported in mid-June how the Premier League had cut a deal for just over £3B with Sky Sports and BT, for the domestic rights of televising Premier League games live, for three years starting in 2013, and how that was a cool 70% increase over the previous three year deal.

Last season – on the old agreement – this is how the TV money was shared out between the clubs:

The table is a little hard to read – but Newcastle got £54.24M last year for finishing in 5th place.

It’s a reasonable assumption that next season, that amount will increase by around 70%, and each PL club would then 1.7 times the above amounts – as an assumption.

That means that if Newcastle would get £92.2M if they finished in 5th position, and if we were in mid-table – 10th position – we wouldonly make £79.2M.

And by the way if we are not in Europe next season, we could be challenging for a top six position if we do get reinforcements in during the January transfer window and also in the summer – and we’ll have a fit Yohan Cabaye. :D

And to make the argument – we wouldn’t get much of that money at all if we are in the second division next season , although we would get some parachute payments if we were relegated.

At the moment Newcastle are near the relegation zone – just two points above third bottom placed Southampton – who took us apart last weekend.

To ensure Newcastle stay in the Premier League for next season, it’s not unreasonable that Mike Ashley could pay out sizable transfer money to Alan Pardew to bring in a number of good players.

For £20M – it seems to us it would be a good investment – if it keeps Newcastle in the Premier League next season – because it we are relegated just think of the tens of millions we will lose out on.

And we know that’s exactly how Mike Ashley – the businessman – thinks.

It seems a decent business case to us.

What do you think?

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137 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Kyo // Nov 30, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    It would have been a good investment in the summer too.

    What a shit owner.

  • 2 yorkshireToon // Nov 30, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Before the season the one position people didn’t want signings was in midfield but that is the position we are weakest.

    Ben Arfa is the only creative midfielder we have. Cabaye has been underperforming all season and a lot of last and who else have we got? Marveux? Not good enough apparently. We need to buy flair players to create more chances!

  • 3 WesJameson // Nov 30, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Like the season we got relegated…. i can’t watch this sh1te anymore

    If we get relegated again, i will not watch football again, will take up rugby or golf, until we have a new owner…not asking for a billionaire, just someone, with half a brain cell, not someone, who fires people, then hires someone of a worse quality, then because of one fluke season, gets given an eight year contract

    PATHETIC!!

    Lee Clarke for manager, why the hell not???

  • 4 Preqwal // Nov 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    The problem withour midfield is we don’t use. We always bypassthemiddle of the field to play along ball to demba Ba who has is back to goal. Our midfield seems to be only to break down play then hoof upfield. We should be looking to control games with our midfield and play through their defence. Cisse and ba are lethal in 1to1 situations with the keeper, yet we rarely give them through balls to run on too!

  • 5 blew // Nov 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    3 defenders, 1 midfielder, 1 winger and 1 striker urgently needed, would £20M suffice? They need pace and heading ability, something that has not been condidered in the past couple of seasons of signings. Oversights by Pardew and dare I suggest – Carr.

  • 6 GeordieAnt // Nov 30, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    @3 Pathetic is the right word to use. You are pathetic. If we get relegated I’m not going to watch football again? Lmao…you really are a fickle fan aren’t you. What happened to supporting our team through thick and thin? Who cares who the owner is? We…as Geordies, supporters of our great football club (in true Geordie eyes…it will always be a great football club) will always support our team…regardless of what division we’re in…regardless of who our owner is…regardless of who the manager is, and regardless of who plays for the team. I think some people need a little reminder of this…so take a look at this:

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3559406603_10175fb3df.jpg

  • 7 Kyo // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    GeordieAnt

    if you feed Ashley’s pockets when he runs your club into the ground then you are the problem, not him.

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    Kyo

    Ashley isn’t running the club into the ground. He may not be spending as much as we want but it’s not causing any real harm.

    I would much prefer an owner who spends a bit more but he isn’t haunt the club, just not making it better

  • 9 Ian Toon // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Geordie- your certainly not an ant in my eyes your a giant amongst men. You display the sort of resolve that will help see the team through these difficult times. Catchy and rag tag and bobtails hang your heads in shame!!! The Pathetic hapless types, who if we were to be relegated and Sunderland stay up, would become Sunderland season ticket holders . Are they fickle flip flop fans or are they fickle flip lop fans?

  • 10 Ian Toon // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Or even fickle flip flop fans!!!!! Catchy just keep hanging your head in shame. I’ll get back to you when can stop.

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    If Ashley was selling everyone and bit signing a single player I could understand staying away from games to pressure him to sell up or change.

    But he isn’t too bad, he may not spend enough, but it’s not like he is stripping the club.

    Our season is far from over in terms of getting European football so just hang tight for now and see where we are on may.

  • 12 HullMag6 // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    Mike & Alan are not the problem, Derek however, with his purples, too hard negotiating tactics and general demeanor make him the liability. How many negotiations with potential new players have gone south because of him.

    HWTL, hell or high water.

    It could be worse – you could be a mackem.

  • 13 toonluvva // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Ed, you make a very persuasive argument in favour of MA splashing the cash, the question is will he, and if so, how much.
    I’m sorry but IMHO for as long as he has DL where he is nothing is likely to change.
    If he got shot of DL and appointed someone who understood football with all the TV revenues this club could realistically be a top 6 (at least) contenders every season.

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    Yes llambias is the worst.

    He can’t negotiate because if he could we would have more than 1 player arrive in the summer for the first team.

    He failed in France and holland

    He should have moved to other targets instead of chasing players he couldn’t get/ afford

  • 15 Ian Toon // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    Hull- it seems to me that DL would have problems negotiating his way out of a wet paper bag.

  • 16 Ian Toon // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    His colour coded identification of the quality footballer is an insult to fans intelligence. He’s the sort of individual who would only take an
    interest in football when the World Cup is being shown on television.

  • 17 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    Geordieant – I love that photo, really sums up everything I love about Newcastle and Newcastle fans.

  • 18 lesh // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM

    toonluvva and Transfer S….. 100% agree with you and has anyone got a hammer big enough to drum the message into Llambias.

    His reluctance to move from his stupid, arrogant and short-sighted position in the last window has cost us dear and from a last season 5th, we’re now in a relegation scrap. That man ought to have been given a big boot up the arris and deserves to be sacked if he doesn’t support Pardew with investment this January.

  • 19 Indian Magpie // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM

    I followed every match on net while we were in Championship. looks like might have to do it again.

    Must say not looking forward to it.

  • 20 Jonny // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    December fixtures aren’t looking any easier unfortunately. The past 4 fixtures that all ended in defeat is probably the best run of fixtures we will have all season.

  • 21 JP...from The Rock // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    The problem this season has been Pardew’s lack of balls to drop Gutierrez. He was immense for us last season but this season he had been the thorn in our side. His woeful passing is shocking for everyone to see and he can barely muster a cross. His work-rate has dropped too as it seems his legs are giving way. For a few matches he has been anonymous during games and only highlighted when he loses our attacking momentum with another terrible wayward pass.

    We need to start with Ferguson for example who has a great delivery on him and makes stuff happen our in the wing. He also plays like a natural winger hugging the touchline with pace.

    Tiote is another who last season was a brick wall and this season is looking like an amature boxer trying to play football. We expect and deserve better from these players and they are letting the team down not Pardew.

    Talk of change in manager is premature and ridiculous. We clearly needed investment in summer and more so now in January. Ashley get your dusty wallet out and try and remember what it’s for.

    Pardew needs our support now more than ever.

    HWTL

  • 22 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    I don’t think we are bound for the championship. It is far too early to worry about that just yet, there are other teams around us doing equally bad, sunderland, QPR to name two.

    Wigan are always near the bottom, Villa look terrible this year, then you will have reading and southampton somewhere near the bottom.

    Points wise we are 2/3 wins from being back in top half and looking safe.

    I understand we need to get these wins first and that’s a big ask but it’s not unthinkable.

  • 23 ONLINE GUY // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    Mike Ashley will sell Newcastle United Soon . He will then put all his money into Glasgow Rangers.

  • 24 Indian Magpie // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    Ed,

    It will be a miracle if we signed may be more than 1 player in january at best.

  • 25 ONLINE GUY // Nov 30, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    Well that’s just a dream I had .

  • 26 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    JP

    Is it too early to call for Llambias to be sacked? I hope not. Would love the fans to chant for him to go and protest about him.

    He is ruining the club. His negotiating in the summer was a joke. He either needed to pay the extra or move on to a back up target. Carr always said that he had 3/4 names to give to pardew and surely there must be at least one on the last to be a good back up.

    And if there aren’t any back up players on the list then Llambias/Pardew need to be demanding more from the scout.

  • 27 ONLINE GUY // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    Transfer

    We are 30 points off looking safe.

  • 28 Indian Magpie // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    http://galleries.metro.co.uk/gallery/Pictures_Sexy_Managers_Calendar_2013_-_29_November_2012

  • 29 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Doom mongers out in force today again then I see.

    Indian

    Forecasting relegation at the end of November? How about you take your drivel to one of the bandwagon teams, surely it should be an ingrained part of a NUFC supporter to actually support the team instead of predicting relegation.

    You really are the worst brand of football supporter, but please do take this personally as I really do not like you.

  • 30 Indian Magpie // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    Ruddy,

    You are Sh!t

    i am not forecasting it, i am saying should it happen. ofcourse you a descendant of donkeys

  • 31 Indian Magpie // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Ruddy,

    I dont know what was the best thing that came out of Ireland, but you certainly are the worst.

  • 32 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    I am shit and descendent of donkey?

    You said you’re not looking forward to it, which, by implication, would indicate that you are pretty sure it’s going to happen. That is what leads me to believe that you are forecasting relegation.

    Now, more onto this “descendent of donkeys” thing, care to explain that?

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Online

    The same can be said for about 6 teams around us too though.

    It’s not like we are cut adrift at the bottom.

    QPR only have 5 points and I still wouldn’t write them off with getting redknapp in and having some decent players.

    It’s a total battle still. We are only 7 points worse off than arsenal in 7th so we may not be playing well but we are still in touching distance.

  • 34 ONLINE GUY // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Just a thought ..Can you imagine the Furore , nay , the anger and the hate mobs if Ashley called Ibrox ..
    the Sport’s direct Arena !.

    Hung, drawn, and Q springs to mind.

  • 35 Indian Magpie // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    Ruddy,

    No, the IQ that you have shown, i cant even if i tried

  • 36 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Not to appear to be a grammar Nazi, but any comment made about my apparent lack of IQ should at least be grammatically correct.

  • 37 Indian Magpie // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    at least u understood. that’s why you are a donkey

  • 38 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    Indian

    This pathetic childish squabbling is beneath me, but you can go right ahead.

    So, whenever you’re ready can you mosey on over to the blogs of Manchester United or Chelsea and give them your support? You’d be doing NUFC a great service.

    Still not really getting the “descendent of donkeys” insult, but I suppose neither do you.

  • 39 Indian Magpie // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Ruddy,

    refer to comment #35,

    From what i understand, nothing is beneath you. Whether i go to any other blog or not is none of your business.

  • 40 Big Pappa Cissé // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Whats with the Donkey like :)

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Why does any discussion here descend into an argument?

    Fans can be positive and negative as long as they support the team it’s all good.

    There is no harm saying you think you will be relegated. If somebody said they wanted us to get relegated thats a different story.

    It is natural to have concern and make a few hasty decisions when something you support is in a bit of trouble.

  • 42 JP...from The Rock // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Transfer – I very much dislike Llambias. It’s funny because over here in my town his name is quite common and it’s a constant reminder of the clown we have handling our delicate negotiations with the much needed players we’re after.

    He really is an enigma. As to whether he’s successful in his job is open to question. He did negotiate with HBA and Cisse for example.

    We are crying out for flair players. Cabaye to me is great but in Lennon and Bale. We have just the one in HBA. We need at least one more to play on the other wing or from the bench to spark something to life. We need creative options as all we have now is depending on youngsters like Sammy and Fergie and the relatively untested Marveaux.

    Firstly any of those should be playing ahead of Gutierrez this season as he has been way below par and it’s costing us.

  • 43 Graeme // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Big Pappa – renowned for being big pricks? They are usually kindly animals!! But kill more people than crocs or snakes!!

  • 44 Mister Tuff // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    I said for some time now that we will be buying in January. Probably at least three players with the possibility that Ashley may surprise us further with a
    higher quality (higher price) purchase. My belief is not based on the idea that Ashley loves Newcastle or loves the football club – but because he will have to do it
    to protect his financial investment/protect future monies the club will earn. Whilst Ashley is a renowned gambler (in casinos) he will not gamble again by not purchasing, even he risks losing too much money. So he has to “invest” to safeguard his interests -in order to recoup his investments (and more) into the club and to position the club in a good position in the league to make it more attractive for sale.
    It might be a good idea to keep Dastardly out of the negotiations -keep him at the end of a phone line if he has to be involved. Following his drunken rants and bragging after the Andy Carroll sale I suspect he is not the most liked/trusted person in the football world. Carr should identify the player -and then get Parsnips nod -then approaches made.

  • 45 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    Indian

    Well I beg to differ, it is my business as I find you incredibly annoying and I don’t like being annoyed. I could simply stop reading the blog but then I thought “hey this is a blog for Newcastle supporters so why should I leave when you don’t even support Newcastle” therefore I was hoping you would see sense and bugger off please :)

    Now, I could bypass all that if you were to give a cogent argument as to why you think we are destined for relegation.

  • 46 ross armstrong // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    20 million would get us debuchy , douglas and remy !! 3 much needed players who would defo improve the squad!

  • 47 AMEOBI // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    GeordieAnt @ post 3.

    That post is for us real geordies, the picture I remember that moment forever stood crying and applauding my team for their efforts. Why I love Newcastle United!

    Newcastle through thick and thin with no problems

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    JP

    The advantage spurs have with lennon and bale is pace.

    Ben arfa is quick over the space of 20 yards, his acceleration and agility is up there with the best of players. His top speed over 50/60 yards is good but that’s not his style like bale and lennon.

    We need pace in the team, we are far too one pace.

    I can’t deny Llambias has done good in the past, he is a clever man. But we did take a gamble not getting cisse last summer and hoping he would be available in the january for less and also hoping nobody else came in for him.

    He has gambled too long with the defence. We were after mariappa last Jan, couldn’t get him, then messed up on debuchy and douglas in the summer. Sometimes you do need to spend a little more, you cant wait forever for a perfect deal all the time.

  • 49 ONLINE GUY // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Transfer

    You cry just like me when we loose ..Its an Inner pain

    Thanks for your thought’s ..If we turn it round against Wigan then we are on our way again .It’s hard , and no easy games ..

    Vurnon Anita worked his whatsits off against Stoke ..Very Very good player ,with the right attitude and work ethic .

    With that spirit we will be Fine.

  • 50 Mister Tuff // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Ruddy -whilst I do not want to get involved in blog spats -have you got big ears and have you ever eaten oats from a nose bag?

  • 51 AMEOBI // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    @ post 6 even

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    Ross

    That is ideally what we need. a CB and RB and a pacey forward too.

  • 53 Indian Magpie // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    Ruddy,

    Not once did i say we are destined. i only said should the unthinkable happen i will watch or follow every game, as i did the last time.

    As for you not liking me, not the first, not the last.

  • 54 JP...from The Rock // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Ross Armstrong – I wish it were that easy. It should be but knowing NUFC we will think about that price and think some more and offer 19M final offer and end up short again! I pray that does not happen and we show some rfeal ambition this upcoming window. I don’t want to hear excuses that is’t the hardest window, we need the players in FULLSTOP.

  • 55 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    As far as I am concerned we will not get relegated or even be anywhere near a relegation scrap because compared to the squad of 2008/09 that got relegated not only do we have the quality required, but we also have players with a fighting spirit to keep us up.

    We have a quality goalkeeper who will save us more points than we’ll lose and we have 2 strikers who, if they get on form, will score enough goals to keep us up.

    We are much better than the likes of Reading, QPR, Villa, Sunderland etc so in my opinion we’ll be grand.

    Still hoping for at least 2 added players in January to boost the squad too.

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I’m not as convinced as you we will spend. Ashley might think, I spend 20 mil not, it guarantees me 70+ next season in TV money.

    Or he could think…I spend nothing now and Pardew and players will get us out this mess, even if we finish 16/17th and then maybe look to improve a little in the summer.

    It’s difficults to say what Ashley will do as there seems to be no clear patter to his transfers. They need to represent value for money but we have no idea what level they value players.

  • 57 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I am debating whether you’re being ironic for the sake of being funny, or whether you’re trying to insult me, either way I’m gonna say no to both your questions.

    Indian

    Well that is disappointing news.

  • 58 ToonBano // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    If Mike Ashley spends £20mil on players than I am a Chinaman.

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    Ruddy

    I think we will be safe too.

    The problem I have with the squad is that we have two genuine creative players…ben arfa and cabaye.

    Our strikers need good service (obviously they seem to be able to score the odd spectacular goal but can’t rely on these) but they dont create a lot like an aguero or suarez. They need the service.

    With cabaye out til feb that leaves only HBA who can create a lot. That does worry me a little but I still think we will be mid table at least come end of season.

    Players like obertan and fergie can create but not consistently enough in my opinion.

  • 60 Jail for Ashley // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    Ruddy,
    Have you spent much time on Blackpool beaches or ever been thrown off the top of a medieval Spanish church.

  • 61 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    Sage

    I think that whether letting HBA off the leash exposes defensive frailties or not he needs to be let go and show his potential, while I previously defended Pardew’s ethos of everyone chipping in to help the defence I think a change of plan is needed, a bit more fluidity needs to be injected and that means allowing HBA to play his natural game more often than not.

    We may concede more goals than usual but we may also have HBA terrorising defences and Ba and Cisse having more chances to convert.

    I don’t think Pards will do this unless he gets 2 defenders in the Jan window that will bolster the back 4 but I think eventually he will want to get to that point.

  • 62 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Jail

    Now I definitely know you’re insulting me. How’s it going lad?

  • 63 JP...from The Rock // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Transfer – Exactly. The penny pinching has to stop this time around. We can’t afford to lose our targets this time. Debuchy should be quick and smooth considering the player still wants to come to us and the price is more or less sorted. Douglas could be tricky and Remy the same but is the type of player we need most. Our defense needs serious beefing up and Douglas would provide that (my preferable choice would be Mbiwa), but at this moment in time seeing how we lack in creativity, pace and flair, Remy would be the solution.

    I think it is possible for us to sign Debuchy and Remy in January and if we’re very lucky maybe even Douglas too. I would be happy with just the first two for now.

    We need pace, we need invention in the park, we are left scratching our heads whilst teams like Southampton play us off the park with their swift passing and movement.

    It’s so frustrating and at the same time puzzling to watch. Yes we have injuries but come on Southampton mocking us? Our players aren’t skilled enough to change the game in our favour by themselves we need better quality and I am dying for some before we slide down further.

    I am sweating about Monday’s game.

  • 64 Mister Tuff // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    ruddy -just trying to inject a bit of humour – well I thought it was funny -apologies if you didn’t. I have no intentions of insulting anyone – for their legitimate views, although I did call an idiot who was suggesting a riot a few days ago -a turd.

  • 65 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Ruddy

    Yeh.

    Especially with cabaye out ben arfa should be allowed to roam free behind the front man/men.

    Leave him to play as he sees fit.

    I’d love a front four of

    ————–ben arfa——————-
    —marvouz—-cisse———-ba

    Then have tiote and anita holding.

    I am sure we sould be solid enough with 2 CB’s and two holding players…leave the rest of the 4 players up front to attack…obviously need to track back a bit but will give us a genuine threat and some fluidity in attack.

  • 66 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Tuff

    Well I didn’t take it as an insult so we’re sweet. Yeah it was that fool karasu wasn’t it? Inciting violence is an offence is it not so I think you were right to call him a turd.

    Just to gauge opinion, does anyone other than Indian think we will be relegated, or involved in a relegation scrap come the business end of the season?

  • 67 Jail for Ashley // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Ruddy,
    Not insulting, same as mister Tuff just having a laugh, just don’t think I’ve ever come across somebody being called a descendant of a donkey before, made me chuckle.

  • 68 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    JP

    I would say a CB is my top priority, then RB then a forward.

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Ruddy

    Currently I dont think we are in a relegation scrap. I think if we fail to pick up many points before christmas (possible with our fixtures) then it could be different.

    fortunately I think there are a lot worse teams than us so we should be ok.

  • 70 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    Sage

    Someone mentioned the other day that our problems stem from having Ba down in our own box defending set pieces and then expecting him to be the other end of the pitch if we are breaking and I must say that I have thought this myself.

    Pardew’s focus has always been to be tight at the back, but I think the only reason he is so minded is because our defence is poor at the moment. If we had a back 4 who could stand on their own feet without wingers overly tracking back then I think we would see a more fluid midfield and attack.

    At least I hope so, but I don’t anticipate seeing it any time soon, not until he bolsters the back 4. Even Colo has looked suspect at times this season, Saylor’s positioning is, at times, dreadful and we all know Willo has his limitations. It could be a while before we see a solid back 4.

  • 71 boater // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Ruddy – when we went down we had Viduka, Owen, Martins, Carroll, Shola and Lovenkrands in the squad. Then factor in Nolan, Barton, Duff all playing off them: that squad should have been in the European spots. There is no such thing as too good to go down as we have learnt to our cost.

  • 72 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Jail

    Fair enough, thought you were having a cheeky dig. I didn’t quite understand the insult so didn’t really take it to heart. Maybe it’s a cutting insult in India but not here, so was culturally insignificant.

    Things have been rough this season haven’t they? Can imagine that it hasn’t done much to dampen the mood in the anti-MA camp, but personally I’d blame DL more so than the owner. Hopefully they have learned their lesson and back Pards from now on.

  • 73 Mister Tuff // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Jail – was just about to write another entry -when I spotted the Blackpool Beach post – had to retire for a few moments to wipe my eyes and compose myself.

  • 74 JP...from The Rock // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Transfer – Really? I would have agreed with you on that back in August, but now after witnessing our complete lack of creativity in the final third I strongly believe flair and pace is what we are crying our for.

    Debuchy could make things happen from the back with his pace and eye for a pass and Remy would cause the opposition all sorts of problems with his pace and technique.

    We no doubt need a CB too though, but I think we need more invention up front as goals win you matches.

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    Ruddy

    There is no problem with having your centre forward in the box defending corners.

    Chelsea did it when playing drogba up front alone.

    What you do need though is 2/3 players (smaller ones, the wingers, a cm maybe) to stay up the pitch.

    It means the opposittion can’t commit to many forward for the corner in case they get caught out and it also means you have the chance of a quick counter attack.

    I keep saying this point but a lot of our issues stem from a leck of pace. If is a problem in our defence, it is also a problem in attack, we need a player who can run in behind, stretch teams and then create the space for cabaye and ben arfa to use.

  • 76 bills-son // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Relegation won’t be a possibility if we play like we did at Stoke – we were organised, kept our shape and every player put plenty of effort in.

    If we play too many more games like we did at Southampton a relegation fight would be a definite possibility – we were totally disorganised, no shape whasoever especially in midfield and half of our players put fk all effort in.

    Im my 50 years supporting the Toon I’ve seen some crap teams, performances and seasons but the one thing I can’t stand is a lack of effort, especially from today’s mega paid players.

    The Southampton performance was one of the worst I’ve seen in a long time, the Stoke performance was a step in the right direction. WE need another 20 odd performances like that with a fair few better results.

  • 77 boater // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    We have an almost uniquely spectacular propensity for implosion. Other club’s struggling means turgid mediocrity – we seem to be able to collapse completely.. I thought we were looking stable again but defeat to Wigan could mean upheavel, based on the games that follow.

  • 78 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    Boater

    I am not saying we are too good to go down, that was our famous last words in the 08/09 season.

    Those players were more mercenary-like than the players we currently have in the squad. I think the likes of Tiote, Cabaye, Santon, Guti, HBA have genuine affection for the club and would have more fight in them than the squad we had when we went down.

    The similarity with this squad to that one is that they have more potential than they are showing, fortunately I think is just a blip that will be corrected other than an endemic that will see the squad go down

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    JP

    Yeh, I think we do need pace up front but we have some creatvity in ben arfa and cabaye. We also have it to a lesser extent in marvoux, fergie and obertan.

    We need a CB as saylor is out 50% or more of the season and willo just doesn’t cut it for me, not terrible as back up but really need better suited to a fluid game.

  • 80 boater // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    We do have a lack of pace up front but so do a lot of other teams, that cope with it. Your weaknesses just get more exposed when you are struggling as a team – the tactics in midfield are all wrong, Pardew has flipped around too much and of course now he has a bedraggled dressing room on his hands.. hard one to pull around. Everyone seems to thing a couple of summer signings will cure our ails.. Not so sure.. ANita is a good international, technical player but he is struggling when the team is a shambles, so will others. Need to get the system right.

  • 81 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    Sage

    I find myself agreeing a lot with your views on how the game should be played, sound like a man who is an honorary graduate of the school of FM :P

    But seriously though, I do agree with you. We do severely lack pace in our squad, HBA has it in abundance, as does Obertan but neither of them really open up the burners and tear through teams.

    Fergie has good pace but the likes of Guti, Marv, Cabaye, Tiote all seem to dwell on the ball and don’t move it quickly enough. Counter attacking has not been a strength of ours this season but compare how we counter to how the likes of Swansea counter, it is poles apart.

  • 82 Mister Tuff // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Ruddy – your question earlier about relegation.
    Even Parsnip has stated we are in a relegation fight and I think we are as well. somebody else just posted that things look better following the display (fighting spirit) against Stoke -I agree with that also. With the December games being very tough -we need to get max points from the Wigan game. The saving grace so far in the league is that every team to a greater or lesser extent have suffered from surprise defeats so the points gap to get into a more respectable position is not unachievable.

  • 83 JP...from The Rock // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Transfer – Yeah you right about Saylor. He is so inujury prone and such a shame as he is just as good as Colo in my eyes, he only needs a full season-has he ever had a full season for us? Willo on the other hand should remain back-up. Not good enough to start and to be straight back-up, he should be 4th choice CB. Unfortunately this problem has never been fully attended too. Over the years it has been a position that has been consistently weak yet we never fully improve on. Colo was a superb signing and one more like him and we will look much stronger at the back even with injuries. But now we have even more pressing issues again as we can’t manage to string a few passes together and play into space to make chances.

    We have too small a squad and it’s really starting to show this season.

    Mike Ashley I hope you’ve realized that your gamble of not paying the extra 1M here and there in the summer is costing us big time. Please address that this January and back your team up!

  • 84 bills-son // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Transfer Sage – whilst we might have some creativity in midfield we haven’t got a commanding midfield player who can consistently impose himself on a game. Being commanding in a game isn’t just about the offensive stuff its also about closing the oppo down, getting tackles in and demanding the ball and bringing other players into the game. Cabaye rarely does that and HBA whilst creative isn’t a ‘commanding’ player. Tiote hasn’t got enough variation i n his play to be the man.

    I’ve been saying since last season that Cabaye is way overated as our creative force and imo whilst we need a CB and a RB by far the biggest priority – and where the decent cash needs to be spent – is on that commanding all action midfielder who can weigh in with 5/8 goals a season. That type of player would be a massive benefit to the like of Ba, Cisse and HBA.

    Put it this way – if Rob Lee in his prime was teamed with Tiote and Cabaye in midfield what a difference that would make to our team.

  • 85 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Tuff

    Pards is probably preparing us for the worst, but hoping for the best. Quickly re-evaluating expectations given how badly the season has went so far.

    I think we’ll probably finish 10th/11th, but who knows we may even surprise ourselves in December though the fixtures are insanely hard from Wigan onwards so yeah we do need 3 points there.

    But even if we don’t I wouldn’t panic, there is a long way to go in the season, keep the faith. We may be down and around relegation atm but I do think there are worse teams than us.

  • 86 CisseIsALegend // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    In this season coloccini has gone down massively in my estimations. I’m starting to think we need to replace him because of this as well as his age.

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    Bills-son

    Caabye is effective just behind a single striker…he did this for lille and and still does it for france.

    He is often played too deep for us. He partners tiote and then has to spend too much of his time defending and not high up the pitch where he can influence the game.

    He plays good, subtle passes through the gaps for players to run onto. He isn’t a xabi alonso who will ping a ball 60 yards, he is more about just playing it 10/20 yards through the gaps and getting himself in to the box.

    Stoke at home last year is the perfect position for him to play.

    I think we are fine with tiote and anita holding, ben arfa behind cisse then having HBA and BA either side.

    That would work for me.

    A driving player would be good to add variation, a yaya toure style player, Diame on a free last summer would have been perfect.

  • 88 JP...from The Rock // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Bill-son – Spot on m8. Who could be that commanding creative player in the middle though? I think Remy would cause enough havoc with HBA and Cisse in the team too but I agree that many over-rate Cabaye as our creative force in the middle. As good as Cabaye is he is not a commanding as you say and does not impose himself enough in games. HBA is amazing but he too lacks a bit more bite and it always feels as if we’re missing something. Gutierrez for me is lost this season as is Tiote but even with them on form we lack a type of player something like an on form Essien for example, a mix between Modric and Essien would be it for me. A midfielder that can put his foot in, not easily pushed over, quick, technically gifted, good pass and shot.

    That is the player we miss- the complete midfielder lol

    It’s going to cost us but if we could find that young and promising now who would you go for??

  • 89 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    that should say

    cabaye behind cisse, not ben arfa

  • 90 Transfer Sage // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    JP

    A good youngster who can put his foot on the ball, tackle, play a pass, score, is strong..

    …vicotr wanyama of certic.

    Ideal signing if thats the player you want.

  • 91 fray bentos // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Would love to see him strengthen the attacking part of our team, its somewhat lacking in my opinion

    We don’t have a really talented forward to get the ball then hold onto it or play with any intelligence

    Cabaye is overated as an attacking midfielder and in my opinion is not an out and out playmaker but a more of hard working midfielder with some attacking ability

    Then apart from Ben Arfa where is the real flair, there isn’t really anyone to fall back on to create stuff without him

    Out attacking threat is overated by many on here, granted Ba & Cisse are great finishers but there not very intelligent players and should be played alongside a different type of forward

  • 92 fray bentos // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    So in the perfect world, it would be nice to buy a new CM with exellent playmaking skills, a CF/Winger with either loads of falir or great hold up skills

    Then a new defender to take Williamson’s place

    Would be ideal but never gonna happen

  • 93 Dannyo // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    I can’t see how we would want another DM when you already have Tiote, Anita, Biggie that are natural DMs, and Jonas and Abeid can alledgely play there.

    Waste of money to sign another, we need one to replace Cabaye during injuries and etc.

  • 94 Earl // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    It’s a shame Ryan Shawcross wants to stay at stoke. Hes a monster with loads of prem experience and hasn’t as of yet, signed a new deal (which allegedly runs out next summer). Could have been worth a gamble with a couple of mill in jan..

  • 95 JP...from The Rock // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Transfer – Yeah I guess Wanyama would be a good player for us. We need players and points soon I am getting really worried but all the talk of Pardew should be sacked is ridiculous and should not even be brought up. Imagine the turmoil we would be in if Ashley did that we would be screwed and big star players would want to leave. All the uncertainty and instability would be a nightmare scenario. I like Pardew and have faith in him but he really needs to ditch the tried and over tested 4-4-2 for us to make the most with the players we’ve got. The sooner he realizes this the calmer I’ll be but we tend to play it in every league game and it’s costing us.

  • 96 catchy in norway // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    liverpool v newcastle 1-1

    Taylor (S) Cabaye Ben Arfa
    Santon
    Krul Anita Coloccini Ameobi (Sa) Gutierrez Ba Simpson Cisse Perch Ferguson
    liverpool had 64% possesion
    only tiote missing

    nufc v west h 0-1

    krul, simpson williamson taylor santon cabaye jonas cisse fergy ba anita amiobe obertan HBA

    only tiote and colo missing,, not injured, red cards,

    nufc v swans 1-2

    krul simpson taylor williamson santon HBA anita tiote fergy sammy BA shola , biggi marv shola

    colo mising for red card, cabaye injury, cisse senagal fa jonas , but was he missed??
    2 injured

    colo was stupid at liverpool, thats not bad luck, cabaye yes,, but players get injured, cisse was payback for the olympics, but anita has been one of our better players of late, and cisse has been missing all season,,

    southampton v nufc 2-0

    krul, simpson willamson santon taylor anita tiote, jonas fergy BA cisse perch sammy marv

    colo red ceard
    cabaye injured
    hBA injured

    anita again he has been fantastic

    did we reall have an injury crissis, or is it part of football to have a few injuries

    the only player that is really missed is HBA but that was 2 games,

    if the guy came out and said what most of already know,, wrong formations he be fired now,, but because lambass knows nothing about football, he can blame injuries

    we dont have to believe him though

  • 97 Mister Tuff // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Ruddy – the only other thing I would say is that on paper we should be ok. Bearing in mind that we have numerous internationals in the team -this SHOULD mean that our class (or potential class) should be sufficient to escape the drop. I think we may finish just below mid table.
    With having some decent players begs the question -why are they all playing poorly at the same time. I’ve watched football long enough to have seen individuals play poorly/have one off bad games or for a couple of players to have bad games. Having a very long run of poor displays by the whole team suggests to me that there is something going on behind the scenes.

  • 98 woolerbill // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Mr Stuff, your is a simple answer a lack good management skills.

  • 99 Ketsbaia9 // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    We need to sign these players:

    Denswil – £2.5m
    Alderewerield – £6m
    Debuchy – £6m
    Sissokho – £3m
    Boudebouz – £5m
    Sulejmani – £4m
    Remi – £10m

    Total = £36.5m

    Sell:

    Williamson – £1m
    Simpson – £2m
    Gosling – £3m
    Tavernier – £1m
    Shola Ameobi – £1m

    Total = £8m

    Net spend = £28.5m

    We need to fork at nearly £30m to have the perfect squad.

  • 100 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Tuff

    There could well be things going on behind closed doors that we are not privy to, which would be more worrying than the team simply putting in a few bad performances.

    The players we have, as you say, should be able to beat the drop, and I think we will be a good deal safe from relegation come the end of the season.

    Although the disjointed performances could be a culmination of a lot of things such as injuries and suspensions, however I think that certain players have too much influence in team selection, and if that is the case these players (or player) should be moved on for the good of the team.

    Just a theory.

  • 101 Graeme // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    Kets, there is more chance of my daughter becoming the next POPE!!!

  • 102 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    G’day mates.

    What’s the crack then?

  • 103 Mister Tuff // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    woolerbill @98 – I suspect you are right. I’ve always had reservations about Parsnip and how he got the job in the first place. But he now has the opportunity, to at least January, to prove he can turn the tide. Somebody earlier suggested that Parsnips awards last season were a fluke. I am now wondering about this also -he inherited a team -Cisse had been scouted before he came did he have anything much to do/change. What happens this season will answer some of my doubts.

  • 104 APBWA // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Would like to see us recruit Guidetti on loan with possibly a fee at the end of the loan. Then Fergouli of Valencia, Sean Morisson of Reading and Yanga-M’biwa of Montpellier. Would roughly cost £20m and worth it in my opinion

  • 105 Slank // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Kets @ 99

    ‘..We need to fork at nearly £30m to have the perfect squad….’

    Whats with the We ! You going to get all the fans to contribute?

    The perfect squad until the next window after most of the fans find that the new players are not as good as they first thought?

  • 106 catchy in norway // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    bills son,,

    your just quoting pardew on the if we play like that we wont get relegated, im telling you , we will be certs to be relegated if we play like that,

    yes the first half there was more effort from the players, but nothing else, we scored on 47, then defended

    first shot by perch coming frm deep, no one in front of him making runs,

    cisse goal , good goal, but had little on other than to shoot, cisse made up a lot of ground to score

    krul made a rash clearence that fell for cisse who ran from the half way line to shoot 20 yards out. all of our team were in our own half

    ba chance, he was the only pplayer in there half

    there first goal, walters starts it, ball whipped in, 3 players in the box, walters scores from 7 yards out

    there second was a long ball into the box ,jones picks jerome out ,,

    difference was there got players into the box and we didnt,

    he said he couldnt look the players in the eyes because they followed the game plan,,

    if the game plan is to only have a few shots from distance, get no one into the box, then great, they folowed it, but i find it hard to believe you play 2 forwards, limit there suply and tell them to stay out of the box,, as thats how it looked to me,,

    also,, our best player on the day, was Anita,, he even won the poll on here so i was not the only one who thought it, so why sub you best player on the day???
    jonas was having a mare,, couldnt stand on his feet at times,,

    motd highlights for you
    http://www.mysoccerplace.net/video/stoke-vs-newcastle-2-1-motd,

    i seen effort from the players, i seen a shit game plan,

    who is to blame there? if he says it himself, the players done what he asked and it did not work,,

  • 107 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    Bills-Son is just another wasp on here that’s going in my jam jar.

  • 108 Slank // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Its far too early to talk about relegation.

    Liverpool are only 2 points above us. Arsenal are a 7 points above us.

    Don’t hear their fans thinking about relegation.

  • 109 tequilamag // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    Catchy, the spark for the Arab Spring revolutions happened after a young Tunisian set himself on fire as a protest. Can`t help feeling your crusade needs a grand gesture “to take it to the next level”

  • 110 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    We’ll be spending a big fat zero unless somebody is available for half price.

  • 111 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    Ibiza – theres not been too much crack. General level of discussion has been are we in a relegation scrap, will/ who do we need to buy in january, why lambias is so unlikeable, and of course what will be the best way to excecute williamson.
    Oh, and ruddy is a decended from donkeys apparantly. Not really sure where that one came from.

    On relegation scrap, whilst I am sure we wont be involved in one, I have a feeling that the league might be so close this year, that the entire bottom half of the table and maybe as high as 10th or 9th, might be somehow involved in a relegation battle. Just a feeling about the league in general. I think we will be fine though.

  • 112 catchy in norway // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    Mister Tuff

    i have been saying that for ages,,

    he got a good team, tiote and HBAwere already there, the team had a god relationship with CH,we wernt doing to bad results wise,the fans wernt on CH’s back, the ship was steady ,, all he did was slide into a good job,

    most managers have to rebuild, he didnt have to , but the players that have came in , the likes of BA CISSE CABAYE are all better players, add ANITA,

    i said many times last season i wasnt happy with the football we were playing, or lack of football and it was a lot of luky things that happend that got us fifth

    he can not make a big decision, like drop jonas ba or cisse,
    he wants to sit and defend a nil nil in case he loses

    there isnt many times this seasonhe can blame injuries, yet the bid discussion on here is how bad DL/MA are by not buying players,,
    why carnt we worry about the players we have right now, and why for 2 years we have played long ball football,

    our players are lost on the pitch,, most dont know what position there ment to be in
    am i a left winger or a right back, how many DMC are we playing with today, 2 or 3,,
    interviews and tactics are a joke

    but the guy won manager of the year last year,, means we got a good one who carnt make mistakes

  • 113 catchy in norway // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    tequilamag

    you up for the job then??

    im a leader,, or else i would do it myself,, ;)

  • 114 Rotonda heights // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    It’s funny some of us often get accused of being fickle on here. I think that’s probably an accusation you can throw at a lot of fans. The Express today claims all the fans are on Pardew’s side. Investigative journalism at it’s finest eh!

    I don’t think I am any more fickle than many other fans. I’ve always said I liked some of Ashley’s initiatives but was sickened that he turned down a bid to sell from city’s owners and that no decent manager will work for him. For me that still holds.

    Re – pardew I have never hidden from the fact he isn’t my cup of team, apart from a spell of 6/7 games last season when we went 433 and Benny finally, finally got a game. I’ve never altered my views on that either.

    The other night we were better because the system for once wasn’t a total 442 all the time. Not sure exactly what it was, but at least it was a bit more flexible and Anita looked very good.

    I just hope that if we get a Debuchy and or Douglas we will try and play football because then there really would be no excuses to hide behind Willo’s and Simmo’s lack of footballing ability beyond hoofball.

  • 115 Ginger // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    I still think we’ll finish top 8…

  • 116 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Wizard… Are you sure you’re not getting today confused with yesterday? ;)

    Relegation – It is possible and lingering where we are after 4 straight losses, it is understandable people are in panic mode. I don’t think we’ll be facing the same issues come season end though. You’re probably right, last season was a close league, it seems to get closer and closer each year.

    Purchases – Does it matter with clueless Pardew running the show? Couldn’t even win something with Barcelona…blah…blah…blah.

    Llambias…Do people not like him? Woah, I am behind the times!

    Williamson…I would imagine if you told him to either defend against himself or to try and beat himself in an aerial dual he would more than likely execute himself. Worst case scenario it’d make a great youtube video.

    Ruddy….Perhaps Indian was referring to his genitalia? I obviously wouldn’t know….

  • 117 tequilamag // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    No thank Catchy if you are not prepared to lead by example them it will have be one of your cult followers. I will leave you to decide which one is expendable for the cause.

  • 118 catchy in norway // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    Slank
    your doing the same as last year ,, looking at tables,,why???

    unless we have a chance of winning the league, why really look at it,

    but if you want to look at the table,, tell me where southamton are,, and there should have scored 5 or 6 past us,

    in the league we have 4 different goalscorers , ba 8, cisse 2 HBA 2 Cabaye 2, total of 14
    is that not a worry for you

    southamton have 21 goals,, teams get relegated for 2 reasons, carnt score, carnt defend,,

    look at the table now and look in thoses coloms

  • 119 Slank // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Ginger @ 115

    Swansea are currently in 8th spot, only 6 points above us so you may well be right as it’s not impossible in any sense.

  • 120 Slank // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    Catchy @ 118

    ‘…your doing the same as last year ,, looking at tables,,why???..’

    Didn’t know you kept track of my posts from last year – quite chuffed or a bit worrying that I mean so much to you!

    Why, because many of our fans focus solely on our recent performances (with good reason) but often don’t look at what is happening around us in the league and the relative positions.

  • 121 tequilamag // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Catchy @112 We all liked CH but was the style of football really that much different to Pards? Long balls to Carrol 442 sound familiar.
    You say Pards inherited a good team and did not have to rebuild and then go on to namecheck Cabaye Ba Cisse Amita you forgot Santon. Not exactly a rebuilding job but most would agree that these new players increased the skills level of the squad. Surely on saome level you must be able to see that Pardew has had at least some positive impact on Newcastle with theses additions even if you can`t find a 5tg place finish as evidence of improvement.

  • 122 catchy in norway // Nov 30, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    Rotonda heights

    mr fikkle here,,

    im verry fikkle, my views have not changed since the day he got here, and never will,,

    ashley owns the club, so he has certern rights, whether i like them or not, but i admire what he is trying to do,,

    but to do his bidding, he has to baffoons that if it is possible to fck it up they will,,

    one on the buying side of things, good business to sell AC,, wrong time to sell,, will have cost us points from jan with no replacement,

    carnt be sure, but im suspecting he is the one who would not pay that little bit ,ore for debuchy or douglas or a few others we will never know,

    pardew,, just for his lack of football ability coaching wise,, this year is more a less the same as last year, so im scratching my head, thinking , im fikkle cos i noticed this last year, along with you, beattie and a few others, and now we have either ppl sitting on the fence cos they know we are right, but want to give hime more time, to try and prove them right, or the types who suddenly think, hey this is shit, lets blame lack of signings for the poor football we watch,, they fall short of fully blaming pardew,, cos hey they where right behind him getting us points with this brand of football,, and they just might look stupid if they suddenly start jumping on his case,,, that would be FICKLE,,

    IM GOING CRAZY , BUT ITS ALL FUN,, CHAMPIONSHIP HERE WE COME,,

  • 123 catchy in norway // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    tequilamag

    i remember watching some good games under CH,, it wasnt always, so direct,, jonas looked class on the left, always running at players, then barton, played on the right, whipping some good balls in,,
    it was not bad,

    pardew/ DL replaced the others for certern reasons,, player power the main one i think,

    i dont think pardew has much todo with transfers, “IF IM HONEST”
    if he did,, we would not have got cisse, it was a defender we needed back then, taylor was injured for the season, no real cover, yet up front we had best and shola
    the one signing carr refuses to have any part of was obertan,
    carr is quite proud of the fact he has been scouting cabaye, cisse,santon and has openly said so,,

    this summer, we got anita,, that was a signing from nowhere,, we needed defenders, pardew new that, yet he chose to sign anita,,

    something isnt quite right with that whole picture,,

    ohhhh wait a minut, is pardew just a pupet,, he is always making up excuses for DL
    he is a puppet because he dont have the balls to drop ba or cisse
    jonas, omg . pardew has turned him into a circus freak, a laughing stock, this season, he has played 5 different positions, and did poor in them all

  • 124 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Catchy

    I don’t get why you’re so angry all the time. Surely you need to just chill out.

    Things aren’t going well at the minute but this constant tirade of anger is tiresome, and surely you’re bound to be wearing yourself out man?

    There is nothing that any of us can do but to hope for the best, or hope for better. You think Pardew is making us a laughing stock? Well you’re wrong, it is fans like you and Indian that are making us a laughing stock. Fans who are calling for the head of a manager who took us to European football in only our second season after promotion. Has his management been perfect? No. Has his previous good work earned him the right to turn it around? A Million times yes.

  • 125 tequilamag // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Catchy your right there was some really nice stuff under CH but do you really think he was calling the shots over transfers anymore than Pards. Failure to get new defenders can`t be blamed on Pardew. That was Ashleys gamble that backfired.
    As for the Jonas stuff, it`s utterly pointless going fover the same ground as to why I see things differently than you. We all see the same game differently and I suspect it is because we all watch with different assumptions. If you have convinced yourself that Jonas is past it or Willo only hoofs tt that is all you will see.
    By fixating it on one issue, Pardew your minimising all the other factors which make or break a season.

  • 126 Dannyo // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    Discussions are running hot on friday night :)
    Are we on about sacking Pards and whatnot?

  • 127 tequilamag // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    @Dannyo yeah Pards as usual but there is always the transfer window to look forward to.

  • 128 The Prophet Of Doom 01.12.12 // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Hi guys,

    Is it ok if I postpone the apocalypse for a day. The girlfriend wants mr to go christmas shopping with her so my planned day has to he reschedueld or else I’ll have her nagging at me all day. It’s a no won situation.

    Armageddon will now take place at about 1ish Sunday!

    The end is nigh

    02.12.12

    Oh an by the way we could have the best defenders money could buy but they offer nowt in the way of creativity which to me is the biggest failing of NUFC this season.

    I’d rather have a creative midfielder and a new tactical enforcer than a defender!

  • 129 toonarmydownsouth // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    Prophet
    Does it matter who we sign? The worlds ending sunday so technically our seasons already finished!

  • 130 Dannyo // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    @tequila
    Ye, but we still have to pick up points. You cant expect to get in 3 new players and the compete for 6th, it’s about mentality atm.

  • 131 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    Prophet

    Can I ask you one question, are you Beattie? It is an obvious assumption as he tried something like this before and it went massively tits up and I think he mentioned he would try it again.

    Look forward to the climax of your latest publicity stunt, (if you are Beattie) missed ya man!

  • 132 tequilamag // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Dannyo I meant that it will least when transfer window opens we will be talking about something other than Pardew. At least the Wonga war only lasted a week.

  • 133 tequilamag // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    *at least when

  • 134 toonluvva // Nov 30, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    I am sitting here remembering the season that we went down when plenty of people were saying that we were too good to be relegated and that there were definitely 3 teams worse than us (SMB) being one of those quoted, but look what happened. Lets get a grip in January and kick on to the end of the season. I’d happily settle for mid-table provided we have set in train the investment in players to gain higher honours in the next few seasons.

  • 135 stuart no9 // Nov 30, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    it is not the players coming in that will keep us up- it is the manager we already have in that will take us down . get 11 messies on the pitch, pardew would get us down . it is not who you have- it is how you play them, pards dosnt get it.

  • 136 Black and White with an army lol // Nov 30, 2012 at 7:48 PM

    MA to invest 20 mill into newcastle on the jan transfer market.

    (What a load of horse shit)

  • 137 willowdalerez // Nov 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    It appears the argument in the article is that Ashley not be Penny Smart, Pound Foolish but 20 M is not chump change and although I’m all for it there is no guarantee that parachuting a lot of talent in over the transfer window will improve outcomes (although I couldn’t see it hurting them).

    Knowing Ashley I just can’t see it happening (but it would be a great X-Mas gift to Pards)! In any case we’ll all know soon if Ashley will play Santa or Scrooge this transfer window.




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