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January Test – Does Ashley Want To Build Top Newcastle Side?

7:01 pm, Saturday, December 1st, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 110 Comments

Everybody is very well aware that Newcastle have lost four games on the trot, and the next win will be greeted with not a little relief, and some celebration we suspect – and we hope it comes on Monday night at home to Wigan.

Let’s hope this is how Alan Pardew is on Monday night – after the game

The slump has all happened within the last three weeks or so, and it has come as we have collected even more injuries to players in the first team squad.

And it’s obvious to all, that the squad we have right now is not big enough to be able to take the extra games of the Europa League.

But Newcastle are still a good side and still have some top players in the side, and the thing the lads mustn’t do is to panic, and confidence is what the lads need now more than anything else – and we’re sure that’s exactly what Alan and the coaching staff are trying to instill into the players this weekend.

This is what Alan Pardew said today:

“We must keep our heads.” “We must find a new way to win as we have a lot of creativity out at the moment.”

“The injury situation has increased the discussion.” “We had an idea where it was going to go.” “It might change before we get there.”

“Shola has half a chance of making the bench.”

We’ll see what happens in January, but this could be the acid test for Mike Ashley – does he really want to build a top side at Newcastle? We’ll have the answer to that one on February 1st

It would be good if Shola makes the bench, because we want as many players back as asap – and Ben Arfa (the great) and Gabby Obertan are also not too fay away from full fitness.

Keep the faith and be prepared to celebrate on Monday night – hopefully.

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110 responses so far ↓

  • 1 jimmysmith // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    Is Guti part of the problem or the way Pards is asking him to play. Either way you get the feeling he’s gonna be the fall guy and that sucks!

  • 2 Ian Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    Hopefully Ed! Tsunki feels a victory in his bones!!! Good enough for me. Tight game but the Toon to win 1-0.

  • 3 obatoyou // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    we got to buy 3 or 4 players over 8 mil, that’ll make me smile :) merry christmas!

  • 4 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    I would like to see this team in January

    ———————–Krul———————-

    –Debuchy—Alderwireld—Collocini—Santon–

    ————–Tiote————–Anita———–

    ——HBA———-Cabaye——-Sissoko——

    ———————Cisse/Ba——————–

    That should be more than enough to keep us in the PL and push on next season. It could be good enough for the Champions League and would not cost to much either.

    Debuchy – 7 million
    Sissoko – Free (agents fee’s)
    Alderwireld – 10 million

    Add a young pacy striker for a few million and that would take the spending up to 20 million. Is it likely Ashley will stump up this kind of cash ?, not really but if there ever was a time for him to loosen the purse strings it is now.

  • 5 Graeme // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    Ashley’s plan is to make money, make no mistake about it keeping us in Prem is the ONLY thing that matters. He will strengthen, if and when he has to in order to achieve his objective.

    We should “break even” this year, self sufficiency achieved, BUT, next year, our income from TV will rocket. I would expect that next year he will start to recover his investment and pay out enough to keep us where we are, maybe the odd foray into Europe if we have an exceptional season like the last one.

    Europa does in fact give his brand a lot of exposure which he will not be allowed in Champions League where UEFA sponsors have the advertising rights.

    Who knows where this will eventually take us!!

  • 6 89Norcal // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:13 PM

    jimmsmith, I think it’s a mix. Jonas doesn’t look like he knows his role on the pitch but he’s also played horribly whenever he’s had the ball. I have yet to see him make those runs to cross in the box like he has done for the last couple years.

  • 7 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    Did anyone see Swansea today. Gotta admit I had high hopes for them this season and they at least are not letting me down :-D

  • 8 Ian Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    jimmy – I don’t see Jonas as a fall guy. He’s dependable , committed and hard working. Pardew rates him highly it’s only the less discerning fan who doesn’t appreciate what he contributes to the team shape. The
    same fans who focus on weakness before strength in a player.

  • 9 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    He’d like to build a top side, of course, is he willing to shell out for one? That’s self-evident.

  • 10 Ian Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Jesper- Hello. You were singing the praises of WBA a few weeks ago! It’s a long season. Only saw the score but understand Wenger was abused by many fans. Ever since Cabaye has been out we haven’t won.

  • 11 Jail for Ashley // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Was talking to a mate of mine today about the usual football stuff and I hadn’t really thought about how much it pi$$ed me off until I mentioned it,the statement in one of Pards press conferences when he was talking about other teams and cited Spurs as being one of the bigger clubs,how the f^(k are Spurs a bigger club than us,maybe similar to us in stature but nevertheless a bit insulting for our manager to come out and say that.

  • 12 GeordieTwo // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    If there is anything Ashley can do without spending much to keep us in the Prem rest assured he will do it. Will he spend a load in January. I would say no but would love to be surprised. He will tell Pardew to straighten things out or lose his job before he does anything else. That new TV contract is a big carrot hanging there but still Ashley won’t spend big. Pardew’s fate is in the balance over the next 6 or 7 games. If we don’t pick up at least 5 or 6 points and stay out of the bottom 3 he will be gone.

  • 13 veto // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    if he does , january market isnt the best time tobe doing it , not to many bargains about and he wont spend unless he thinks he’s getting the better deal

  • 14 giimps // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Graeme, I agree totally, though will Wonga want to be sharing the rights with SD?
    You are right IMHO about the only thing he wants is the financial rewards from being in the Prem but he may (if he thinks ahead) stump up readies to get us closer to the European places again.
    This will pay for itself since he has gone 1/2 a season without paying for Debuchy or Douglas, their price will drop in January and he will have saved their wages for the half season.
    This combined with the wages he has saved by not paying, Lova, Smith, Guthrie and Best will pay the fee for one or possibly both of these signings.
    Its all about the dosh for Cashley,
    HWTL

  • 15 NewcastleMole // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Keeping shape is all well and good (And we know Pardew champions this approach to the hilt) but you can’t be too disciplined and have free flowing attacking football at the same time.

    Over cautious tactics are costing us points, teams know how we’re going to set up and they attack us from the off.

    Achievement Unlocked!
    http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/531198-we-want-to-be-aston-villa-admits-newcastle-chief-llambias

  • 16 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Ian…I need someone to play football the way I like :-D

    …seems they csn do what we can’t cause apparently we don’t have the players! I liketo give credit where credit is due.

  • 17 GeordieTwo // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    So that’s our goal Llambias, to be like Aston Villa? No wonder we’re in trouble. It looks like we’re succeeding admirably in that case. They may pass us at any moment now. So we truly will be the new Aston Villa.

  • 18 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Why would we want to be like Aston Villa?

  • 19 nick_9 // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    ASTON VILLA? Is this a joke or a spoof article. I hope so. ASTON VILLA? We are beyond aston villa so that would explain not signing anybody. Wouldnt want to overachieve would we, because then we would have to spend lots or look unambitious. This window is going to be very telling

  • 20 giimps // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Jesper Cos we would further south and he wouldnt have to smell the crisp fresh air from gods country.
    Southern Jessie
    HWTL

  • 21 Ashton // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    Behold the daily dosage of Pardew bitching about injuries everyone!!

  • 22 nick_9 // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    Ashley making us self-sufficient is the best thing he ever did, if we can keep it up then we will look much better to prospective buyers. The sooner we get rid of these slimeballs the better. It would be nice to have a northern based owner or perhaps a newcastle fan.

  • 23 Ian Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:51 PM

    Transfer Sage- I am leaving but wanted to pick up on your earlier post.
    The day of reckoning for manager! Managers are judged on points secured allied to the amount of money spent (net) and players developed. You intimated that a 8year long term contract for Pardew could give him time but necessarily a lot of money to progress the side in the short term. I could go along with that provided that there was not a deterioration in league standing and any threat( however remote)
    of relegation. I have repeatedly said that Ashley simply cannot afford
    the substantial loss of media income that relegation would cause. With massive increases in tv revenue next season in the PL. Depending on our points tally at the end of the month, I can see Ashley digging deep. Probably spending more in the short term than were we handily placed around a Europa place. If necessary the transfer budget can be adjusted in the summer.

  • 24 Sawbuck // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:53 PM

    I don’t see any point in taking Pardew’s scalp even if we lose on Monday.

  • 25 Graeme // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:57 PM

    giimps @ 14 Wonga have paid for the shirt advertising and possibly a token sum for “Naming Rights” to the stadium. By naming it SJP, which to us fans it always has been, always will be, they have scored a few brownie points to counter the opprobrium associated with their brand!!

    If you check the match programme it lists “SD” on the cover as “Official Club Partner” it also lists “Virgin Money” and “Puma”

    If you go through a programme, “Wonga” doesn’t get a mention anywhere!! To be fair, my last SJP programme was for Swansea game on 17th November, so things may have changed since then!!

    We are a “SD” advert, first and foremost, make no mistake. Maybe, come the start of next season, things may change, but the SD advertising is here to stay!!

  • 26 Ashton // Dec 1, 2012 at 7:58 PM

    I think for the first time in many years our club is being run in a good and a reasonable way off the pitch. I don’t think the problem is Ashley. It’s our incompetent manager. He is out of his depth. And his tactics are all wrong. From team selection to our style of play and to the subs that he makes. Everything is just wrong!!

  • 27 nick_9 // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    Ian toon if there was ever a season for him to invest it is this season. We are in the mire with tough games coming up. Next season we could be looking at an extra 8 million revenue for a mid table finish. Ashley cannot afford us to be relegated and have to finance us when there is the carrot of making even more money in the season after. When does our Wonga sponsorhsip come into play? The trouble we have with signings is Ashley looks at the one of cost of the signing (Anita 6 million) and then the yearly cost of his wages (estimate 2 mill) so thats 8 million in that financial year he would add on to the costs. Its right in a sense but not we want as fans if it limits our ability to put out a competitive team. If we have to ship out some more dead wood in January then good, the squad is big but poor.

  • 28 nick_9 // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:03 PM

    Just checked and the virgin money sponsorship ends at the end of this season so that is when the wonga deal comes into play. Looks like we might have money for summer but not this Jan, unless they have paid upfront. My worry is who sponsors us at the end of this wonga deal, are we going to having stadium renamed after some rubbish every four years

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    Our spending policy is the same as most in the league. Same as Everton, spurs, Swansea.

    All clubs that don’t have an owner who can spend vast sums of his own money.

    Everton and spurs only spent cause they sold rodwell and modric. They didnt spend more than they brought in. Swansea sold Sinclair and spent that and a couple more million.

    We sold Carroll and spent (not as soon as we should be have spent it).

    This summer we didnt sell so there wasn’t as much to spend.

  • 30 check the toastie // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    Ashley doesnt want to build a top side, he is happy with ticking over, if success comes fair enough but he doesnt give a shit really. I fear we will never have a decent footballing team whilst Pardewasaurus is in charge.

    Looking forward to Shola coming on if we are not in front or failing to ‘control’ midfield and the onset of serious hoofball tactics. Woeful, totally woeful, we still relying on Shola to change a game (Joke), somebody remind me of his goalscoring rate, oh my god………

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:08 PM

    I’d love an owner who could spend 40/50 million to bring in top players. Would love us the top if the league like man city cut Ashley simply cannot afford that.

  • 32 nick_9 // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Sage – Man City and Chelsea get a lot of stick but i bet a lot of fans would rather have the finances they do compared to us, more so than those who are willing to admit it. Both those clubs are silly with money, imagine if we had a budget of 20 million a season plus revenue from whoever we sold. That could go a long way for us with graham carr.

  • 33 FollowFollow // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    Let’s get this straight. Nobody, nobody buys a football club to make money (ok, Bates but apart from him nobody). Do we think the attempts to buy De Jong or Carroll and Douglas where not real? Yes, we wanted a bargain but we were ready to fork out 10m plus and we’ll be in the market again..

  • 34 chris_g // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    I don’t know why NewcastleMole thought it was a good idea to post that link about the Aston Villa comment – it’s something that Llambias said back in February 2009 and has no relevance now
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/10/derek-llambias-newcastle-united-mike-ashley

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    Nick

    They are silly but look where they were before the money. More so city than Chelsea

    But man utd remain near the top by spending 30/40 mil a year.

    For a team to come from city, bottom half of league, to challenge man utd they could spend 50 mil a year for 10 years or 100/150mil a year for 3/4 years to get there.

    It’s like any business, to grow you sometimes need to invest up front and make it back in the long run.

    City hav spent a fortune on a big, new academy so are looking to be settled and build for the next 10+ years.

    Chelsea just keep throwing money at their problems but each to their own. Abramovich owns the club and he has plenty of cash to keep spending

  • 36 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    Followfollow

    I don’t think Ashley bought it to make money but I think he thought he could make it self sufficient much easier.

  • 37 Tsunki // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    chris_g – I think that was his point which is why he says ‘Achievement Unlocked’ by Llambias. I think the Achievement in this case is called ‘Hot Potatowned’. ;)

  • 38 nick_9 // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    Its swings and round abouts, the higher you finish in the league the more you receive in payouts from the premier league and youre keeping your customers happy whilst probably attracting new ones. Ashley failing to spend money in the last window has so far cost us in the league up to now, we might be able to correct it in the second half ot the season. I have always sadi that man united spend a lot of money but disguise it better than City and Chelsea. Didnt man united win the league and then go spend 80 million the following season on anderson, nani and a few other players? then you look at de gea, young, valencia, jones, they certainly have bought some expensive players over the years.

    FollowFollow
    Ashley/Llambias are chancers. They will put in a low bid for a player and if it gets accepted we get a good deal, if it doesn’t he etither moves on or more commonly goes without.

  • 39 nick_9 // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    the 2010-2011 season we messed up the last home game of the season with west brom. I think we were 3:0 if i remember rightly but drew 3:3. If we had held out and won that game we would have finished 3 places higher in the league generating over 2 million in revenue. I remember calling out for a cb in that January window along with many others. Whats to say we wouldn’t have won that last game at home if we had signed the cb we needed. That is why i always wonder what if with us… what if we had signed douglas or debuchy in the summer. Where would we be now?. Ponders.

  • 40 Graeme // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    TS – The ONLY reason MA bought the club was because he believes that, long term, he can generate a substantial profit on the transaction.

    He has ZERO interest in the North East. He has no interest in football. He has ZERO interest in the fans, he has ZERO interest in its traditions. He is in this venture for one reason and one reason only – he believes that he can generate substantial wealth from NUFC, in the long term, which is why he bought it.

    He has stripped out the fat, brought operating costs to a minimum. We are self sufficient and will return a small profit this year. Next year his bonanza kicks in. HUGE income from renewed TV rights with minimal outgoings in the form of staff costs, transfer fees etc.

    What happens to the excess of income over expenditure? It belongs to the owner. The debt will be paid off in a few years and he will reap a handsome reward for his gamble. Its what he is, a gambler, A very shrewd operator.

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM

    Graeme

    I agree Ashley shares no real interest and wants the club to be self sufficient only to mean he doesn’t have to spend his own money and so he can then sell it and make a profit.

    I agree with that.

    That’s like I Said with transfers, we only spent last year because we had Carroll money. This year nobody was sold so only spent a small amount

    My point was teams like Everton and spurs operate the same way, only spend what you bring in but their owners actually have an interest in the club.

  • 42 Jail for Ashley // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM

    Looking at it now Mashley bought the club purely to use it as advertising for SD,it would have cost him a fortune in advertising costs to get the kind of exposure he has received so far,the signing of Cisse made me rethink a little bit but now like I have always suspected he is just happy with us ticking over,he will eventually sell up for something near the 230M he put in plus all the TV money so pretty much getting his money back free advertising and a healthy profit on top,all the while us lot having had to put up with his utter lack of respect for us.

  • 43 Tsunki // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    If you buy a club without the specific intention of making a good deal of money out of it, then you buy into your boyhood club for the love of it and because you are stupid rich you are prepared to do it despite losing money.

    The latter does not apply in Ashley’s case. Its to do with being a successful businessman, and I believe he and his crew are tasking themselves in maximising revenue with small but hopefully shrewd investment. The question it leaves is where does he want to be – in the top third by ticking over on reasonable value players and well-spotted academy bargains and being a feeder club to europe coupled with constant PL revenue payouts, or does he put everything on black 13 and see if he can go for the European prizes, worldwide branding and the subsequent raise in profile of the SD marque overseas? Your guess.

  • 44 Tsunki // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    Jail but if he did sell us for £230m as a going concern, wouldnt he leave us better than he found us? No pain, no gain as they say.

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    Nick

    I never expect us to achieve a certain position. I have a rough idea what I want but know we could be well above or below.

    It seems no matter who the manage or players are anything can and usually does happen in Newcastle.

    We can have a team if top internationals and be bottom or a load of unproven players and grab 5th.

    I’ve now started to take his season one game at a time. Just enjoy the game that’s next up, try not to get too concerned if we sign people and see what happens at the end Of the season

  • 46 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Slump?
    Ok,we’ve had a few losses in the last few games but we actually haven’t played well at all this season,even in pre season we looked slow and tired.Our internationals were late coming back and were thus in poor shape..
    We’ve had a few good performers but the team has been void of fight

  • 47 Graeme // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Tsunki, if we get Champions League, ALL stadium advertising HAS to be removed or covered.

    The stadium advertising belongs to UEFA sponsors.

    SD would get zero exposure, its just not worth it for MA

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    Jail

    Agree totally and using it to push his business. As they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.

    What percentage of his customers are Newcastle fans? A very small one I bet so upsetting them but getting huge advertising consistently for years is worth it.

    His only rival in sports retail in the uk has no gone under, jjb, and he has continued to grow.

    He is now expanding his business worldwide and all off the back of clever business but world wide advertising he gets from Newcastle united

    Like him or not….the guy is a business genius. Shame he hasn’t hired a good DM for Newcastle instead of llambias and we might be doing better even with a modest budget.

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    Tskunki
    If you think being financially stable ahead of good football and big transfers as achievement then we’ve nothing really to say to each other.

  • 50 Dannyo // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    @Graeme
    U got a link for that rule? It´s news to me tbh.

  • 51 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:05 PM

    Just out if curiosity

    I heard today that Fernando llorente is open to a move in January to England.

    Not sure the club but was told that it wasn’t a champions league team so possibly spurs or Liverpool. Unless Ashley is digging deep.

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Dannyo

    I know clubs like man utd have to close the front few rows of seats as champs league requires higher advertising boards and to use official champs league sponsors.

    That’s part of the reason the money for it is so much more than Europa league. As well as higher tv interest.

  • 53 Graeme // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    Dannyo – look at UEFA.com – its in there, but dont have a specific link, havent tried to find it again.

    Look at any CL match, the stadium advertising is UEFA sponsors – they got the idea from FIFA.

  • 54 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    Do you guys really wish to feel like Chelsea and City fans?
    They send enormous amounts of money on decent players but pay way over the odds.
    They get decent managers(excluding Hughes) in but don’t achieve total dominance in the league or cups and they bring in someone new and the new man spends more ridiculous money and the fans get tired very quickly of what’s going on at the club.
    Don’t get me wrong,I don’t like the mediocrity at our club,especially when we’re only 2/3 decent players away from a quality squad that would help us challenge the top 6 guaranteed.
    I’m just glad we aren’t abused like Qpr,lots of money thrown around,crap manager,expectancy levels at their top,team not playing as a team and overpaid.
    I’d be very satisfied with our team and the way the club is run if we’d only have added a couple more quality players and 2/3 19/20 year olds that are around the 1st team.
    Hopefully things will change but not holding my breath on that one,I just wouldn’t prefer to be a fan of a boring bought team like City etc

  • 55 Dannyo // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    @graeme
    aha, i see, but surely everything does not have to be removed?
    Advertising on the staff seats, on the roof, and the text next to Newcastle United for example?

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    Marty

    Would you not like our team filled with David silva, aguero, mata, yaya toure, hazard, Oscar, tevez

    I know I would. I bet their fans aren’t sick of being near the top 4 every year and playing champions league football.

    All teams at the top spend silly money. Man utds starting 11 is no cheaper than city’s.

    Real Madrid spend a fortune, so do Bayern Munich and Dortmund.

    All teams at the too spend money. Even barca do and they have the best academy. 30mil villa, 30 fabregas, 24 Sanchez, 20 song.

    It’s just a fact. Top players cost top money.

    Id love us to have a great team on a small budget but that’s not possible these days.

  • 57 Graeme // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    The “Newcastle United” signs can stay – we are the team hosting (Oh, what a dream)!!

    Everything else has to be covered. There would be no “SD” signage allowed to be visable. Any other NUFC sponsorship has to be covered as well.

  • 58 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    Dannyo

    I’m sure it all has to go. It is to stop ‘free’ advertising by unofficial sponsors.

    Imagine carlsberg pay uefa 50mil to advertise at all European games.

    Why would they do that if they could give the club 10 million to have it around the seats or dug out?

    It’s a ban in place to protect uefa and their sponsors.

  • 59 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    People saying they don’t want success bought are living in a Hollywood movie if they wink we are going to win consecutive trophies under Ashley’s regime. Money talks in the Premier league nowadays especially in the last few years and loyalty can be bought by the highest bidder. Is it morally right, no. Does it bring success, yes the majority of the time. If some Arab tycoon was willing to throw silly money around for my hometown club then fine provided he does not get bored and leave us high and dry after a few years. Imagine the likes of Falcao wearing the famous black & white stripes.

  • 60 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    @Transfer
    I know many City fans that are sick with 100’s of millions spent and they on a day like today score 1lousy peno against Everton
    4 of the best strikers in Europe on the pitch and top players throughout he team and they still play tripe football.
    I wouldn’t mind having silva and hazard but when ya fill a team full of players that are more interested in their hair style you just end up with a team of naggin hens ;-)

  • 61 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    Marty

    I bet man city fans are less sick now than when they were hanging around the bottom if the league.

    Would you rather be twisting we had lost 4 in a row and are near the relegation zone or that falcao and messi hasn’t scored for two weeks? Haha

  • 62 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

    Man utd when they were at their best had players that came through the youth academy,Beckham,Scholes,Neville and they paid out for a few quality players like Smeichel,Keane,Cantona,Ferdinand n the likes.
    The difference with City is they just fill the team with new players all the time,quality no doubt but as everyone knows it takes time to bring several young lads through but in the likes of City n Chelsea the young lads don’t see any possibility of gettin on the team ahead of all the spoiled brats.

  • 63 Dannyo // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    I see all of your points, i wasn´t aware of this, but now i am i guess :P

  • 64 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    Would you have pride in your team if you just went out n bought Torres for 50million and all the other dudes for multi millions n see them play dribble most weeks.
    It’s no pride to see an owner spend 500 million and win the PL
    I’d rather get there slowly and have players that wanna play for the money they earn.

  • 65 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    Marty

    Well city are developing the biggest academy in the world so that will change over the next ten years I think.

    Look at man utds current team

    De gea – 20mil
    Evra – 5
    Rio – 30
    Vidic – 7
    Raphael – 7
    Carrick – 20
    Young – 20
    Valencia – 20
    Scholes – academy
    Rooney – 30
    Rvp – 24

    They aren’t producing from the academy either now. Could easily have nani or Anderson in for Scholes now and they cost a lot.

  • 66 Jail for Ashley // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    Marty toon
    I bet their sick as parrots basking in their league title success.

  • 67 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    Marty

    You can’t win the league without spending big on these top players though.
    It just doesn’t happen now.

    Man city, Chelsea and man united play some good football most weeks. They have the odd bad game but most of it is good football.

    So you think cabaye and cisse are here cause they love Newcastle? Or because its the best club they could get with the best pay?

    All players are about money. Why would a guy from France or Africa have a genuine loyalty to us? Shearer was unique, won’t get many who want to play for their home town side.

  • 68 Jail for Ashley // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    Marty toon,
    Just out of interest do you get to the games.

  • 69 Jail for Ashley // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    Transfer,
    As much as I like Shearer as a player and Geordie legend,money had a lot to do with his loyalty I think.

  • 70 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM

    @ Marty

    So you think in this day and age if we brought through the new Gazza, Beardsley or Shearer that they would all stay at the club then ? . The big clubs buy any young English talent and ruin them on many occasions, Just look at Scott Sinclair at City. Gone are the days of a world class player staying with their boyhood club for life IMO. The likes of Gerard & Shearer are going to be very scarse in the next decade

  • 71 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 9:56 PM

    Big Pappa
    I understand that it takes huge money to challenge and win things,we are never gonna spend that kinda dosh.
    Man Utd have the biggest fan base in the world,they have huge gates at each game,shirt sales are insane,7days a week they have 1000’s showing up for tours and dinners yet they’ve debt over 400million or so.
    Man Utd fans are not happy the way the club is run but they’re always the team to beat.
    They’ve earned the right over the last 20years,City and Chelsea are trying to buy the right to be feared.

  • 72 BelfastMagpie // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:02 PM

    Man Utd bought the title for years & nobody could compete with them in the transfer market until Roman came along.

    If we got a rich owner and won loads of trophys,I for one would be over the moon.
    :-)

    And man city fans went through some really crap times before the rich owner,so fair play to them.

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    Marty

    Man utd only have the fan base as the bought the league for years and built it up. Same as Chelsea’s and not city’s fan base is growing through success.

    Jail

    Money did play a part for shearer. He could have got more elsewhere but he state with us. However if we only have him 20/30k a week I don’t think he would have stayed and you couldn’t have blamed him

  • 74 BelfastMagpie // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    Way to many financial expert football fans these days for my liking.

    Man Utd are as guilty as anyone for buylng success.

  • 75 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    I agree money has a lot to do with shearers loyalty
    It’s like we’ve always been a player or two away from being great.
    I just am against buying big money players in every position.
    I mean we are doing the right hing in buying players like Cabaye at he price we got him,Tiote and Ben Arfa but again we should of got 3/4 more players in of that quality.
    I like any other toon fan don’t wanna be where we’re positioned now,that as we all know is the boards fault.
    Nothing can be done bout that til January.
    I’d much rather be in 5/6 place.
    I don’t expect to win the league with the way were run.
    Listen to all the glory hunters out there,we spent big with fat Freddy and we won nout,we won a lot of fans but we nearly went down he toilet as a club.
    @jail
    I used to get to games but moved to Norway a few years ago and in the last 3 years they’ve stopped direct flights so it’d cost somethin like 600 quid for 1 game :-)

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Marty

    Big Freddie wasn’t in the same league as abramovich or the man city owner.

    He was like a tony Fernandez at QPR. Thought he was a big boy but ultimately couldn’t compete.

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:14 PM

    Watching the Madrid derby makes me miss alonso and ronaldo being in the premier league.

  • 78 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:15 PM

    Belfast
    Yeah Utd bought a few players that added to their already great team then sold Beckham and Ronaldo etc and bought new.
    The thing they did was buy players that were right for he team,oh and they actually had a manager with a big pair of balls(I don’t like the red faced git) that took no c.ap from his players and his players always push on til the last minute and he was good with tactics.
    They’ve been lucky through the years with refs decisions and time added on etc but they’ve always put a shift in for the manager or they got a mouthful.
    AP just says we were unlucky,we’re tired and injured…….
    Get the lads to take their finger out n play for their money every week.

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

    Marty

    I don’t deny pardew needs to be a bit firmer but it’s easier for sir Alex.

    As we saw players like can nistelrooy didn’t perform so were let go. Who did he buy? Tevez, Rooney etc

    It’s easier to be tough if the money isn’t too important. If Ba left it could be 6-12 months before he got his replacement.

    Ferguson usually gets it as soon as he wants.

    But pardew does need to grow a pair though, he’s too soft from what we see.

  • 80 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    If you look at Arsenal,
    They’re probably over the years the best footballing side in England.
    They must be so frustrated as they’ve had Fabregas/Nasri and Van Persie and had they spent 60million on 2/3 players they’d have stayed and won more trophies without spending what City and Chelsea have spent.
    They didn’t spend the cash and the players left as they wanted to win things.
    We’re probably gonna end up with the same problem with Ben Arfa and Cabaye,the only difference is that we don’t play the kind of football that Arsenal do.

  • 81 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Marty

    That just shows you can’t win without spending big.

    Arsenal has the best academy in England by far and using that with only small additions hasn’t go then a trophy in 7 years.

    Developing your own just no longer works. Be very nice if it did but unless you have top money you won’t win the league.

    We might still get a cup win though so don’t give up yet.

  • 82 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    Fergie kicks them out and gets his players in cause they have to back him as he’s a quality manager.
    MA doesn’t need to back Pards as he’s just average and he knows he won’t get any decent manager in to steer his regime.
    Pards is as good as we’d get now.
    Look how Hughton has his players playing!
    Not many internationals there
    I certainly wouldn’t want,Hughes,Curbishley ,Robson or any others that may be lookin for a club eventually.
    Even if we could get a decent manager in like Mourinho(never would happen)he wouldn’t get backed by MA but he’d possibly do a better job with the players on hand

  • 83 BelfastMagpie // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    If Roman had of turned up in the early 90’s Man Utd would never have dominated English football the way they dld.

    Man Utd got the pick of all the best players for years,and nobody could do anything about it.

    I was over the moon when Roman came along and started to outbid Man utd in the transfer market.

  • 84 Transfer Sage // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    Belfast

    Added competition is exactly what we want.

    Ferguson gets backed because he is at one of the richest clubs in the world who want to win every year.

    Ashley doesn’t back a manger because he hasn’t got enough money to do it.

  • 85 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Transfer
    60million ain’t spending big in comparison to City’s 500million and Arsenal woulda done great.
    I mean if we spent 60million that’d be like 5years worth of spending and we’d all need to check our pulse

  • 86 Graeme // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    Transfer – Ashley has more than enough money to do it,

    He has NO interest in football, so is NOT PREPARED to do it – there is a huge interest!! He is here to MAKE money, not to spend any!!!

  • 87 BelfastMagpie // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Yeah I dont really mind the rich owners nowdays.

    It was a really annoying when Man Utd used to offer far more money & you just had to accept it. lol

    They done it so many times,it was a complete p!!s take.

  • 88 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    MA has enough to back the toon.
    He’s worth a few bob.
    It’s not like were asking for 150 million

  • 89 bills-son // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    Jail, I just can’t buy this opinion that MA has bought the club purely for cheap advertising. A £286M investoment including a £100M interest free loan isn’t cheap even if you are a billionaire. Granted he should have bought more players in the summer but I still think the fact we didn’t is more due to an overly strict ‘we wont pay more than we value a player’ policy than a we wont spend policy. I think Ashley is hugely ambitious and desperately wants to win trophies, this recent run hopefully will have been a wake up call that will show him he needs to stick his neck out more in the transfer market. I’m going to wait until Jan and the summer before deciding if I’m right or wrong about Ashley.

  • 90 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    I really wouldn’t be happy if we played like City and Chelsea and had spent the money they did…..I’d be we’ll pisfed off

  • 91 Marty-Toon // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    We’re playing rubbish because we didn’t add competition to the squad…we look like a cheap team so to speak.Its horrible to watch at the moment but hey us toon fans love to be tortured ;-)

  • 92 Super Magpie // Dec 1, 2012 at 11:04 PM

    Bills son

    You’re going to give Ashley and Llambias the summer if they fail in January? Not for me. They have the chance to bring in players in January. They had last summer and failed so this is their last chance for me. Atleast 3 players are needed to be brought in with 2 being defenders.

  • 93 nufc90 // Dec 1, 2012 at 11:07 PM

    The thing with January is everyone will crank the prices up. Add to that the fact everyone knows we need to strengthen and they’ll try milk as much as they can. Can’t see much business being done for that reason. Maybe 1 player, 2 at a push.

  • 94 Super Magpie // Dec 1, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    Nufc90

    We will lose money anyway by slipping down the table. It Works both ways.

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Dec 2, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    Graeme

    Ashley has money but no where near enough to spend like city and Chelsea.

    Most of his money is tied up in sports direct, it’s not just sitting in a bank.

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Dec 2, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    Ashley has proven that he only spends what he sells people for.

    It’s not a criticism just what I think based on our transfer business.

    Everton and spurs do it too so I don’t care.

  • 97 solano // Dec 2, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    bills-son // Dec 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    “Jail, I just can’t buy this opinion that MA has bought the club purely for cheap advertising. A £286M investoment including a £100M [Ed, show me the figures]interest free loan isn’t cheap even if you are a billionaire. Granted he should have bought more players in the summer but I still think the fact we didn’t is more due to an overly strict ‘we wont pay more than we value a player’ policy than a we wont spend policy. I think Ashley is hugely ambitious and desperately wants to win trophies, this recent run hopefully will have been a wake up call that will show him he needs to stick his neck out more in the transfer market. I’m going to wait until Jan and the summer before deciding if I’m right or wrong about Ashley.”

    Priceless! Having doubts BS, are we? Wasn’t he “the best owner we have ever had” just recently? You will in actuality give Ashley any amount of time, as you cannot bear the thought of being wrong. Maybe you should dream up another pen-name so you can try to gain some credibility back in the summer, like many other lemmings have done on here?

  • 98 solano // Dec 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    If the buggers buy in January to save their faces it will mean ultra austerity measures to follow in the next window…they are pursuing a reactive rather than a proactive recruitment policy which shows their interest lies in consolidating a money making enterprise, not pursuing football ambition. It’s not acceptable that they think we cannot compete with the likes of Spurs in this league.Totally unacceptable.

  • 99 Graeme // Dec 2, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    Transfer, when MA floated Sports Direct, he retained a controlling interest in the company of something like 65% and sold the balance for around £1 billion.

    He has now achieved a personal fortune of almost £2 Billion, no doubt made up of his shares in SD plus any other investments, his payment for his shares etc..

    I wouldn’t want him to spend like Shitty or Chelski. He said when he bough NUFC that he would get the club sorted financially, to be self financing. Once that was achieved, he would be happy to invest around £20 million a year to fund transfers, from his personal fortune. What more could we ask?

    Well, the first question I would ask is – What happened to the promised investment? The club has made a net profit on transfers since he took over; he hasn’t invested the price of a season ticket!!

    Yes, he has given the club an “Interest Free Loan” of around £130 million (What he paid for the club) but, he has had free advertising for SD which is probably worth much, much more than any interest on his loan.

    If he sold up tomorrow at £130 million, he would make a net profit, no doubt about it, given his advertising savings and the exposure he has achieved. It is much more likely that he will sell at over £250 million – thats some profit when its all added up!!!

  • 100 nick_9 // Dec 2, 2012 at 1:36 AM

    If Ashley was to sell the club I guarantee he would get every penny back he has put in, he is certainly good at the business side of things. Would not surprise me if he had clauses related to future sell on fees etc. if Ashley’s total investment was 250 million and he got 250 million back on sale of the club he would still be much better off from the publicity he as sports direct has gained, also his knowledge/experience of the market might have helped him with deals such as the one with rangers.

    20 million investment per season would so us nicely but I’m probably not far off the mark when I say Ashley may have said that back when he first bought the club and was one of us in the stands necking pints. Back then everything was rosy and I bet even us fans could have spoke to him in the stand and persuaded him to invest so he felt loved. You could tell back then he wanted everyone to love him, when it kicked off and we turned on him that’s when we saw his ruthless side and I don’t think he will ever feel the same unless once again he feels loved by the fans.

  • 101 davetoon // Dec 2, 2012 at 1:42 AM

    Jonas has to be carrying an injury. You can’t lose your pace in 2 months

  • 102 t00ntime // Dec 2, 2012 at 3:40 AM

    @davetoon lose pace? he has been getting slower for a long time :S.

    is someone back for wigan? heard hba was a no and shola a maybe but lawro said we will have players back :S

  • 103 89Norcal // Dec 2, 2012 at 3:42 AM

    davetoon

    Add to that he’s become incredibly apprehensive and looks overall lost in our offense.

    When you consider he’s 29, it may be time to start edging Marveaux in, or looking for a good skilled winger with some pace. That’s just as important as getting a CB imo.

  • 104 Baro // Dec 2, 2012 at 3:57 AM

    What i’d like…

    ——————————- Krul —————————–

    Debuchy ——- Sakho ———- Colo ——– Santon

    ——————— Tiote ——— Sissoko —————–

    —————————– Cabaye —————————

    Ben Arfa ——————————————–Muriel

    ———————————-??——————————-

  • 105 89Norcal // Dec 2, 2012 at 4:02 AM

    Baro,

    Ben Arfa———————————-Muriel
    ———————–Falcao (?)———————–

    :)

  • 106 Tsunki // Dec 2, 2012 at 4:42 AM

    I am up early due to a crappy cold kicking in.

    JFA said

    ‘Tskunki
    If you think being financially stable ahead of good football and big transfers as achievement then we’ve nothing really to say to each other.’

    First off, hope the ‘tSKUNKi’ was a typo….
    I dont know where you got the idea I was endorsing finance over football. I am just saying that in this case the love of the club is not present in Ashleys case and its all about financial success. The hard fact is, he would, by whatever means, sell the club if it made a good profit and was expedient to do so. To do that he would have to change something – its viability. In the case he did sell, we would by definition be a better option than when he bought it off FFS and the scrapmen. I’m beginning to think I am being mistaken for being unreservedly pro-Ash, which is not true I have serious caveats about the guy and his methods.

  • 107 check the toastie // Dec 2, 2012 at 7:16 AM

    Jonas is shot as a player currently, only position he could have any use is full back.

    Team for West Brom, dont need Willos height in this game.

    Krul
    Jonas Perch Collo Santon
    Tiote Anita
    Obertan Marveuax Sammy
    Cisse

    I am totally sick of watching Ba be so greedy, i swear he hasnt passed the ball to Cisse this season, would get rid in January on proviso we could get a nippy little striker in to play in behind Cisse and Link up, personally would play Ben Arfa there, but gotta say he needs to do more if he is to be trusted to play in a No.10 role.

    However looking at how Pardew has us playing, players, formations mean nothing as we will be outplayed and outpassed anyway. Wigan outplayed us last year in both games when we were going well, there is no reason to believe it wont happen tomorrow.

  • 108 Constanstine // Dec 2, 2012 at 7:21 AM

    Jonas was never known for his speed but dribbling accuracy. He used to get pass 2-3 players and finishes up with a poor cross. Now he has developed more into a central role. Wonder what pardew smoked him with.

  • 109 Indian Magpie // Dec 2, 2012 at 7:32 AM

    check the tostie,

    you mean wigan.

  • 110 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:03 PM

    I just wish he’d leave Willo the Weakling out 2night & give Santon a go at CB. Di Santo & Kone will be too lively 4 Williamson. Could then bring Fergy in at LB. Great crosser of the ball 4 Cisse & Ba. Jonas could then cover if necessary. Play Marvaux on right & then there may be good service for front two. With Chiek holding & Anita creating it could work in what is a must win! Crowd needs to be behind the Toon from the start. No protests please




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