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Newcastle vs Wigan – Match Preview

11:09 am, Monday, December 3rd, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 288 Comments

Newcastle have lost their last four games in the league and things will be an awful lot better when we can break that streak and get a win – and we are hoping and praying that will be tonight against Wigan Athletic, in a game that is being broadcast live around the world.

Newcastle have nine players out injured at the moment – and those players are Ryan Taylor, Haris Vuckic, Dan Gosling, Yohan Cabaye, Steven Taylor, Shola Ameobi, Hatem Ben Arfa, Gabriel Obertan and Adam Campbell.

And James Perch will also miss the game tonight after picking up his fifth booking of the season against Stoke and he misses one game.

Newcastle must break the losing streak at some time (that’s true isn’t it?), and tonight at home with the Geordie crowd roaring them on seems to be as good a time as ever to do that, and a win will bring massive relief to Alan Pardew, the Newcastle players, and last but not least – the Newcastle fans. It’s been agony these last three or four weeks – plain and simple.

We think this could be the side that Alan Pardew selects tonight:

Krul
Simpson Williamson Coloccini (c) Santon
Gutierrez Tiote Anita Ferguson
Ba Cisse
Subs: Elliot Tavernier Bigirimana Ameobi (Sa) Marveaux Amalfitano Ranger

Maybe Sammy Ameobi will get the left wing berth over Shane Ferguson, depending on how they have been playing in training, but Pardew may go for Shane’s better defensive capabilities.

And one stat that stands out is that Wigan have never won at St James’ Park – so we have to hope they don’t start breaking that record tonight – please.

And another stat worth noting is that only Southampton and QPR have lost more games than Wigan this season so far, Wigan have lost eight, and they have scored the fewest away goals this season, along with Aston Villa – only four goals in their six away games, although they have won two on the road.

A lot will depend tonight on whether the Newcastle players can keep their nerve and play like they did last Wednesday at Stoke, and not give daft goals away late ion the game tonight.

But we want to see an all out performance from the Newcastle side tonight, and if we get one goal up, let’s go for another, and then another – let’s not try to sit back on any lead tonight – just go for it – all out!

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288 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    Being battered with a wet trout is too good for Ashley.

  • 2 ilovetoon8788 // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    even with all those injuries, we have a very decent squad. excuses for injuries are very poor.

    we need to improve our football. sick and tired of depending on individual brilliance of Cisse last season and plenty of luck.

    and we have completely run out of those 2 this season and we are where we deserve to be.

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:16 AM

    tonight i want to see

    krul
    simmo, willo, colo, santon
    jonas/bigi, tiote
    anita
    marvoux, cisse, ba

    in a 433/4231 whatever people want to call it

  • 4 WWYCD // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    Sage
    Agree mate but tbf to Ba he is a striker not a winger so I can understand him wanting to play centrally plus can’t say he has dissappointed when he has been played as a striker haha

    As for tonight if that’s the team we are playing with 8/9 defensive minded players which worries me

  • 5 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    wwycd

    which team worries you? Ed’s or mine?

    and yeh I can’ blame Ba for wanting to play central but I blame pardew for sacrificing the team for 1 player. If its true…not saying it is but cant see any other reason we stopped with a 433

  • 6 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    I would certainly consider giving Ranger a game in 2nd half, he will help keep the Wigan back four on their toes and pushed back into their own half.

    He’s a different player to Ba & Cisse and may work well with either of them; it has to be an improvement on them playing together!!

    A 2-1 win tonight – bring it on!!

  • 7 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    graeme

    I think ranger would work well with Ba.

    Ranger runs the channels…this would leave much more room for Ba in the centre.

    Ba and Cisse both stay very central and dont go wide naturally, it makes them easy to crowd out.

  • 8 WWYCD // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    Sage
    Eds mate didn’t see urs but I’d prefer that to the 442 Eds put up

    Aye Pards would be the one to blame but I don’t know how true that is

  • 9 tweaked // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    i really would prefer marv over fergie on the left side

  • 10 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    I really don’t see the problem of Ba not wanting to play on the left,ok he didn’t score for a long run but he had chances in that position I just think his luck deserted him followed by his confidence,if it is really true this 90K a week malaraky and refusing to play where is best for the team then he needs to be replaced with a ten goal a season LW.

  • 11 Lee Dodd // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    We need to get behind the Team Tonight I think we will win 2-1 . Or we may even Win 5-0 . The Side Nead to Know we are behind them. 3-0 by half time will do .. I would Play Ranger and Cisse at the start and Bring Ba on as Sub !!!! Show Him he is not a one man Team !!!

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    I think it’s safe to say we will see 442.

    Eds team is exactly how I see us starting the game.

    The problem with that is Jonas doesn’t get forward enough and neither does Simpson/

    Fergie and santon will inevitably be caught out as they both like to attack and youngsters always have a mistake in them.

    I think it will be a dire performance tonight but we could scrap a win and get 3 points.

    Wigan might play some good stuff but are very inconsistent in having a cutting edge.

  • 13 Indian Magpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Wigan have never won at SJP.

    Niether had swansea

    WHU had not won for a long time.

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    Lee

    I like the optimism but just can’t see 3-0 at full time never mind half time.

    I think if we win it will be 1-0/2-1

    I just want the increased effort put in but also some quality too…we dont need to play like barca but we need to play with a bit more calm and keep possession.

    Wigan won’t fear us after winning the last game 4-0…..they will try to attack whilst we are in poor form, wigan never enter games to defend which costs them sometimes but means they are always in the game.

  • 15 jimiley // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    Jonas to show his true clours tonight. Set up a couple and bag one for himself. Three one to Toon.

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:42 AM

    Indian

    How did you get into following newcastle?

    Was it the big team when you started watching the prem league or is it just something about the place/team you like?

  • 17 martoon // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    I’ve got a sneaking feeling that Pardew might spring a surprise and play HBA. It s probably a risk bringing him back so early – but desperate times require desperate measures. I’m not trying to start any rumours but he has done it before with Ben Arfa.

  • 18 Slank // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Sage,

    The team must start from the outset at a high tempo and hit Wigan hard with attacks.

    I therefore agree with you about Ranger. He has pace and will take on his man, and has an eye for goal.

    I would also play Tavernia who is much better going forward than Simpson (although not as good defensively) and is an excellenet compliment to Santon on the opposite wing.

    I would not play Jonas as he looks completely out of sorts. Also I wouldn’t play Bigi as he is too defence minded which is alright away from home but we need to attack Wigan and open them up which is why I prefer to use Marveaux who has the skills to do that.

    My team would be 4-3-3:

    Krul
    Tavernia, Willo, Colo, Santon
    Tiote Anita Marveaux
    Ranger Cisse Ba

    We will get back to winning ways. Four nil to us.

  • 19 cyprus // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    So, tonight’s the night, Rod used to crone. Massive 6-pointer, hope the crowd roars them on, we need 12 players, 13 if the ref is willing to join in :) (actually it’s 15 if u count the ‘lines men’.)
    Strategy? Tactics? Nah, we can’t do those! Throw in the kitchen sink, play your hearts out, as Harry might have said

  • 20 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    Jimiley

    You’re right there. Especially if he starts on the right as simmo doesn’t offer much support going forward jonas can spend more time trying to get into the final third.

    I don’t think he is capable of this anymore but would love to be proved wrong.

  • 21 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    slank

    I would prefer marvoux on the right of a 433 instead of ranger…if we go 442 i’d have ranger and Ba though.

    Either way we are agreed we need marvoux to add a bit of creativity.

  • 22 Indian Magpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    TS

    I watched the first season in 2001-02, that season it was all the teams but NUFC 4 MUFC 3 lingered long in the memory. but mainly it was liverpoolish and arsenal.

    Next season India Toured England and they played a 1 day match at Chester le street and Indian broadcasters Interviewed SBR and Beardsley. It was all NUFC from there. that season the match between NUFC and Feyernoord Sold me on NUFC too.

    P.S
    The 1 day match was washed out

  • 23 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    I have heard a couple rumours out of spain lately.

    One that fernando llorente is to be sold by bilbao as they are struggling financially.

    I heard it was a UK club but not champs league so I guess spurs maybe, be good if us but I doubt it.

    Also heard Falcao is on the move at the end of the year. Heading to Real Madrid who are planning a huge summer spend as they are struggling in la liga and the big news of Ronaldo leaving to return to England. Expected to be man utd but city and chelsea are expected to try to lure him, he prefers man utd though from what I heard.

    Sorry this isn’t newcastle related just thought it might be a good talking point.

  • 24 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Sage and slank

    yes definitely push marv forward and make it a 433 even though Ba and cisse will probably get in each others way again if ba isn’t out left

    Can understand Ba not wanting to play left any more
    but one of Cisse or Ba flanked by Benny (when fit) and Marv and supported by cabs (when fit)is surely the way to go.

  • 25 Kyo // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    They spanked us 4-0 last season, and that was us on top form.

    Prepare for the worst.

  • 26 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    for anyone who is interested. Ed might do well to do an article on this as well.

    Sylvain Marveaux interview

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1248797/andy-brassell:-marveaux-eager-to-make-up-for-lost-time?cc=5739

  • 27 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    Indian

    That seems to happen at chester-le-street a lot….they always play when it’s wettest then accuse the north of being to wet.

    And I remember when newcastle we last in the UEFA cup they always seemed to interview steve harmison at half time.

  • 28 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    Cisse and Ba can’t play together.
    In thousands of minutes of action they haven’t worked effectively as a duo more than a handful of times.

    Like Transfer Sage I’d give Ranger and either one of them a start.
    But I bet Pardew starts Ba & Cisse in a 442.

    Hoof and hope one of the strikers can score. Great tactics that have failed time and time again this season.

    If we play like we did at Southampton, Wigan will stuff us.

  • 29 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    basically it’s definitely not down to his attitude

    if i were him at this point i’d be furious by now. way to keep a cool head, sylvain. seems like a model pro

  • 30 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Krul
    Simpson Williamson Coloccini (c) Santon
    Marveaux Tiote Anita Ferguson
    Ranger Cisse

    or a lot more adventurous …

    Krul
    Simpson Williamson Coloccini (c) Santon
    Bigi Anita Tiote
    Ranger Cisse Ba

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    hatem

    Cisse and Ba work as part of a 3 with Ba left.

    But they cannot play as a 2…its so obvious they do not link together….it just doesn’t work well at all.

    Not sure why we keep persisting with this,

  • 32 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Hey, maybe some light on the horizon – It has just been announced that Marinho is to leave at the end of the season!!

    He always said he wanted to come back to the Premier League and make a mid-table team into a great team – move over Pardeau, your chair is needed for the special one lol

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Graeme

    I think that means Mancini has to win the title or bye bye.

  • 34 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    Graeme…Send me over some of what you’re smoking, but not so much that i’d abuse it and myself ;)

  • 35 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    The problem is Ba & Cisse are trying to play the same role and it is not working. They should be creating chances for eachother but won’t because they are goalscorers at heart

  • 36 Hatem's better than Messi // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Love this Pardew quote about the board… “They’ve given me massive support this week in trying to help me get the result I want, almost asking me what can they do for me?

    Almost … foocking almost … lol … muppet or puppet?

  • 37 jimiley // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Mourinho only works with top players who cost top dollar. You seem to forget we operate in the bargain basement dept.We sign managers like Pardew and players like Anita. I wonder why he left a Champions League club? I wonder why they let him go? 6 million too good to turn down?

  • 38 Slank // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Graham @ 32

    Perhaps the memory of Sir Bobby could tempt him to waken a sleeping (or dooziny) club ?

  • 39 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    I’m surprised at the Mourinho news I thought he would have hung around till he won the CL and become the first manager to win a CL in three different countries before coming back to England to make it four, my bets are his club of choice being MCity though.

  • 40 jimiley // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Slank,
    It aint sleeping any more. They were sleeping in the 1960s and woke up for a few years in the mid 90s. The club is comatose now man.

  • 41 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    A Special One quote – maybe Pardew could come out with something inspiring to the players, instead of tying himself in knots at each press gathering/interview and undermining himself from the perspective of the players.

    “Pressure? What pressure? Pressure is poor people in the world trying to feed their families. There is no pressure in football”

  • 42 jimiley // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Hatem,
    The board is looking for a spare brain and a set of balls to help him out.

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Jail

    There is a lot of hatred of mourinho in Madrid. If any other manager had gone 2 years without a champs league final he would have been sacked.

    The fans demand too much, they annoyed both him and ronaldo so don’t be surprised to see ronaldo follow him.

    Possibly both to man utd if fergie wins the league and decides to retire.

  • 44 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    I’m disappointed in a few people for writing off Anita so quickly, he’s come from a title winning team in a different league to a team more like the 1980s crazy gang without the camaraderie,surely he should be given time and see how he performs when his team mates start upping their game.

  • 45 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    Guys – don’t shoot the messenger, blame SSN, a fertile mind & too much time today lol.

    Transfer – could be true, but Benitez is only on a temporary contract and Pep allegedly unwilling to work for Chelski!!

    Ibiza – I’m a clean living man; the only thing I abuse my body with is a dirty woman – what else do you need lol

  • 46 norwichmag // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    As long as it’s not a 4-4-2, I’d take any other formation/combination of players. Give Ranger a shot, why not. Marv needs to play central, especially after reading the article @ 26, forget about width and wing play as crosses, set pieces are a joke….. Narrow attacking…. someting like;

    Krul
    Tav Collo Willo Santon
    Tiote
    Anita Marv Jonas
    Ranger Ba

  • 47 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    Jail

    On Anita….the same point I have made.

    It’s like dropping xavi into stoke and wondering why he isn’t doing as well.

    Anita is from Ajax, a complete pass and move system, he has arrived at a club where very few people actually show for the ball.

  • 48 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Graeme…Send me one of those instead then. Make sure it’s enough to abuse myself in this instance though.

  • 49 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Slank – it must be true then lol

    We would never get the special one to SJP – not as long as the Illustrious Owner remains at the helm!! SJP isn’t big enough to accommodate two ego’s that size!!

  • 50 toonLYF // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    Matches at home against the likes of Wigan are won and lost within the first 20 or so minutes. If we let them play, like we did against Swansea//WHU, they’ll get the wind behind them, and the knowance that they can hurt us; our defence will become shaky as the supporters will be on their backs, and we will lose.

    Alternatively, we can come out the blocks, play OUR game, get the supporters excited, and we will cruise to victory.

    Unfortunetly, due to our current form it’s 50/50 which mentality of Newcastle side will turn up tonight.

  • 51 Peter // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    After a couple of wins we are back and around the top so starting tonight the only way is up. Howay the lads!

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    If…..and thats a big if…we do not invest in jan and get relegated would anyone care to start anti-ashley protests before and after every game?

    It might be the kick he needs to finally cut his losses.

  • 53 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8305878/Alan-Pardew-is-pleased-Newcastle-s-board-are-standing-by-him

    Curbishley? Really? That’s the man someone thinks we should replace Pardew with?

    At least some of the suggestions on here show some sense, why the hell would we want him and what would he offer that would be any better? Baffling.

  • 54 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    Peter

    Hope you are right….we need to get some points on the board running up to christmas.

    With a lot of fixtures over christmas/new year you need to be in some decent form as otherwise 3/4 games can pass quickly and you could have 0 points.

  • 55 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Ibiza – I would be too concerned of the consequences to your health and well-being. Depriving the blog of your veracity is not something to be contemplated.

    Besides, corrupting me is enough for my conscience to cope with – couldn’t bear the responsibility for leading others astray lol

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    Ibiza

    Curbishly would bring an even worse kind of rubbish into the club.

    He is a genuine terrible manager….as can be seem by the fact nobody wants him and he is out of work constantly.

  • 57 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    a mate just told me that reports on sky sports said that pardew isnt making any purchasing during the transfer market, can some1 please verify this i dont have sky sports, cheers.

  • 58 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    TS….We have half a year to plan that sort of action. If things don’t improve I’d imagine protests will pop up before season end anyway.

    LYF…Spot on. We need to take as much onfidence in to the game as possible and then hang on to it. We looked a really broken team that last 10 minutes against Stoke. Don’t want to see that again.

  • 59 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Black and white…Unless there is a new interview, what he has said is that it’s too early to plan with all of the injuries. Basically that they need to monitor all positions until the window and then decide who to pursue, depending on what we need then.

    Graeme….Aww man, come on, share the love.

    TS…Agreed. What a ridiculous suggestion.

  • 60 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    IBIZATOON, cheers mate for the info.

  • 61 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    Ibiza

    It may hurt the club short term, staying away from games, bad press etc but in the long run it might help.

    We could get a worse owner like the venkeys so it’s a gamble. Ashley isn’t the worst but there are many better owners.

  • 62 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    B&W army – Has Pardew EVER made any purchases for NUFC other than for paper, pencils and ink??

    Bringing in players, once identified by Carr, agreed with Pardew, is done by Lambsarse and Charnley. Not aware the manager plays any role in the purchase process!!

  • 63 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    Ibiza – I will need full written indemnity and you take your own precautions. Tying your leg to the bed doesn’t count by the way lol

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    I have no idea on transfers….they are often done in a rush with NUFC.

    Once they see an opportunity they pounce and grab the player quickly.

    Anytime it drags out they won’t be coming in usually.

  • 65 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    B&W…No worries, I hope the info is current.

    TS….We’ll have to make a judgement call after January. As you say, it is still a gamble, better the devil you know and all that. At the end of the day, if the fans aren’t happy with the direction Ashley is taking us they will let him know. If the board want to calm the fans then they best actually conclude some business in January, attempted purchases wont buy them half a season like they did with a fair few this season so far. We shall see.

  • 66 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Reading between the lines Pards is setting us up for the returning players being like new signings and when everybody’s injury free we don’t need anybody ‘over the line’ as we ‘ave enough in the buiwdin’

  • 67 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    Graeme…Please accept this as my written authorisation that I take full responsibility for any eventual outcome from sending me one of your filthy women. Do I get a satisfaction guarantee though? We best drop this one before we get accused of trafficking :)

  • 68 budmon // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    For the love of all things holy AP please don’t start Anita in Cm. He gives the ball away wayyy to much and is not strong on the ball at all. Huge reason why we can’t control midfield is him there. Put him at full back or bench ffs!

  • 69 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    Jail…I don”t know where all this cynicism comes from mate :)

  • 70 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    If we win tonight and Pards then feels smug enough to put HBA, Cabaye and Tiote in the shop window the I’m joining catchys team.

  • 71 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    There’s only 1 player on that bench that should be in the first 16. All the rest are reserve team players. Willo n Simmo are conference standard. It’s obvious that our squad isn’t good enough. We’ll be lucky to get a draw tonight.

  • 72 Pushy Pardew // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Transfer
    What happened to your Pardew should be judged at the end of the season line. That was less than 2 weeks ago. Glad I am not in the trenches with you.

  • 73 Pushy Pardew // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Transfer
    Are all the panicky types getting to you?

  • 74 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    Toby Alderewield is a must signing. I have been very impressed with him. £8m is a realistic price. We’ll get relegated if we don’t strengthen sufficiently.

  • 75 Pushy Pardew // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    Transfer
    I thought you had become a blogger with credibility. Not a disciple of the Catchy movement.

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Pushy

    I wouldn’t sack him til the end of the season.

    I just think our season will be clear by February and he really needs to sort it out.

    If we are bottom half but showing signs of improvement then I can live with it.

    If we still mindlessly good everything then my Patience will wear thin and it will be a log road to the end of the season.

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    Good should read hoof

  • 78 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    Ibiza – satisfaction guarantee? For you or her?? lol
    All the ladies I know will bend over backwards to accommodate. No traffic involved, very good taxi’s available lol

  • 79 Pushy Pardew // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    As for Pardew being criticised for comments well!!! If your looking for fault to blame you can always find it. I am out of here . What a miserable lot – I won’t call you fans or supporters.
    Ibiza
    Hope you are well. Naturally I exclude you from any criticism. I don’t know how you can put up with such negativity on the day of the game.
    Take care.

  • 80 IPToon // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    “dont play Anita CM as he is the reason we cant control games”

    Incredible lack of football knowledge.

    I cant be bothered to go into detail but the 442 formation is the reason we dont control games and even last year with Cabaye and Tiote in centre mid we didnt control games and this has continues this season. Anita has hardly played centre mid as well so to blame him is incredible.

  • 81 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Pushy
    Don’t bother coming back you snivelling turd.

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    Pushy

    Fans don’t always have to be positive about every aspect of the club.

    I take the pardew interviews with a pinch of salt though. He isn’t being honest as he is saying what he believes will get the best out of his players I believe.

  • 83 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Pushy….People are rapidly becoming more and more disillusioned, which makes things harder across the board. Interesting times ahead and different fans patience will be tested at different times. I believe, but this may be misguided, that all any of us want is for the team to do well, we just all have different views of the problems and how to fix them. Anyway, hope you enjoy your day.

    Graeme…Don’t you worry mate, I come with my own satisfaction guarantee ;)

  • 84 Pushy Pardew // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    JFA
    You always did have a way with words———-

  • 85 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Ibiza

    How long can we be patient. I am currently happy enough waiting.

    But do we act if we are this position with 15 games to go, 10? 5? Or wait til we avoid relegation or go down?

    Does pardew get one season to bring us back up?

    Or do we keep him and he leads us to champions league?

    The answer is difficult to say. Never easy to predict where a club will go with results.

    But I do like to judge season on season but by February we will know if we are battling relegation or if we are pushing for top half.

  • 86 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    TS…That is the question. I think you already know the problem with it though and that is differing opinion – how inconvenient! :)i

    For me? Pardew has done enough for me to give him this season. Let ‘s say we were rock bottom with 15 games left to play I would then need to reassess what I thought the problem was. Really hard to answer.

    That’s why I said each fans patience will be tested at different times. There is no right or wrong, just opinions and faith. Overall I feel it would be a shame not to give Pardew the chance, but this is business and sometimes bold decisions need to be made, I just think it’s a little premature to be discussing now, but that’s me.

  • 87 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    Ibiza, I’m sure your credentials are impeccable mate!!

  • 88 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    Graeme….As long as you know that, then I am happy!

    What time are we kicking off today?

  • 89 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Wonder how many positions Jonas gets through tonight, i am going to guess at 3, no 4.

    Lets have a Jonas sweepstake, any number from 1-12….

    Maybe a raffle, either full back, either wing, holding midfielder attacking midfielder, wonder when Pardoh! is rolling his dice toady he actually ends up sticking him.

    Pards new selection process. role 2 dice and thats were Jonas can play, seems good to me, hope he starts doing it with formations, dice keeps landing 442.

    Alan and Jonas in a tree, K I S S I N G.

  • 90 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Ibiza

    I’m with you really.

    Unless there is a serious risk we could go down by Feb I would stick with him until the end of the year, see what happens.

    If he is to be replaced in the summer I would be tempted to get it done early to give a new coach a full pre season to work with the team.

    I have been very impressed with laudrup at swansea….could he be tempted? no sure.

    Either way no matter who is in charge or on the pitch, whether I agree or not, will get my full support during game time…even if I do slag them off on here for a bad performance.

  • 91 obatoyou // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Sure we’ll win tonight, could even be a 3-0 win! Bordeaux away will be a tough test, wonder if the Europa league draw is done that day too, maybe we’ll get man city (chuckle)

  • 92 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    Check…Only 1-12? Surely we can come up with a few more new positions for this exercise?

    For me, Jonas’ work rate is so important. He is wasted at LW and even LB as they are fixed roles…. in theory that is. If he’s played CM he has the flexibility to join in where needed, which is where his strengths are now imo.

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    Ibiza

    I see jonas as a midfield sweeper. If played just behind tiote he can cover left/right back when they are out of position, pick up a CAM or withdrawn striker when the other team attacks.

    It’s not a position we need often but for games against better teams it could work.

  • 94 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    TS…..If he is being replaced, then yes it’s better sooner rather than later. The board will know once the final whistle of the season has b lown, so there would be no need to delay.

    Come February the board need to assess where we are, but more importantly, why? Is it really down to Pardew? Would a new manager face similar problems due to the clubs structure? I’m just not sold that Pardew is the problem at this point, sure he can be upgraded, but for me to be on board with changing it would need to be an actual upgrade, not just because, if that makes any sense.

    Your end point is the biggy for me. We can all be disappointed and angry, but as supporters, when they are playing they need exactly that, support. Easily said when watching a free stream, but I still feel it runs true, otherwise, why go?

  • 95 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM

    Ibiza, as far as I remember its a 20:00 kick-off. I know its live on Sky as well!! No doubt being viewed all over the world as well!!

  • 96 DeanToon88 // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    Even though i can’t go to the match tonight, I urge every one who is going to the match tonight to lift the roof off st James park and give the team as much support as you possibly can, it will motivate our lads onto a passionate display and silence the Inferior wigan team, let’s make st James park a fortress again. HWTL!

  • 97 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:49 PM

    TS….Works for me. When we played 4-3-3 last season and went on that great run, wasn’t it

    Cabaye—-Tiote—-Jonas?

    They worked really well together. I suppose Anita will be the natural replacement for Jonas in that set up though.

    I love the guy, but can’t help but feel his days are numbered. Shame, but that would indicate progress. I said indicate :)

  • 98 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Graeme…Cheers. Perfect opportunity to show the world we’re fighters then!

  • 99 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:53 PM

    TS – Changing the manager, before the end of the season? Somehow I just don’t see it.

    The Board know the gamble they took with no recruitment in the summer has backfired in spectacular fashion and they are the culpable party. Blaming Pardew isn’t the answer to a lot of the problems, although there are area’s where he has to take full responsibility!!

    Will a new manager be any better? Would he get an improvement out of the players in whatever time he had left?? Would a better manager actually accept the post??

  • 100 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    The board or the owners need to take a look at themselves and the way they run the club they can hardly blame Pards when it must be acknowledged that they gave a LMA winner no backing whatsoever, in fact not only did they not back him it could be argued that by selling Best, and letting Loverkrands and Guthrie go that he has weakened us in the short term.

  • 101 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    Dean….My thoughts exactly. Wigan will know what we’re going through and will try and target our weaknesses, let’s not let the fans worries be one of those weaknesses tonight.

    I’ll be singing with you all from Ibiza!

  • 102 Indian Magpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    I have a sore throat, i can’t sing

  • 103 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Deantoon,
    I will be at the match and will be as loud as six pints allows me, but if after 25 mins we see a repeat of the Villa Or West ham game then you can’t blame the crowd for getting restless.

  • 104 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Wesley Sjnieder in big fall out with his club – he has been told to take a pay-cut. Manure said to be keen but NUFC favourites to sign him.

    Sorry, got carried away with that last bit lol

  • 105 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Ibiza

    I’m convinced the problem is not just pardew.

    I think most of the players have been poor. We have had injuries to key players (turns out cabaye has been injured all year).

    I don’t think the board have helped at all with Pardew. He hasn’t got anyof the players he said he needed, goal scoring CB, fullback, striker.

    For me Pardew is failing in getting the players motivated…we struggle to start games well, we only start playing when it’s too late. I think he also needs to realise that cisse and ba just doesn’t work as a pair.

    Overall I rate Pardew this season as D- ……he needs to improve to get to average but he hasn’t failed yet.

  • 106 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Indian…Hands okay? If so, clap!

    Jail…Amen brother. “Ashley O..” ….wait a second, you tricked me :)

  • 107 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    graeme

    I don’t think we will change manager mid season…you rarely get a good one mid season anyway.

    That would be a last resort to get a boost out of the players if we have 10-15 games to go and are really in relegation trouble.

    I think Pardew can get us out of this though.

  • 108 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    When I talk about the low morale which I personally think is down to last summer’s fiasco, people have said that they are professionals and should just get on with it, life isn’t all that easy, last year I was working on a ship getting paid 15 days 14 months into the job this Dutch bloke turned up and decided he was only going to pay us fourteen instead , as we all felt cheated morale plummeted and we all fu£€ed off to another job, this ended up costing their company tens of thousands of pounds in retraining personnel and work lost due to new people learning the job.

  • 109 Indian Magpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Who is the longest serving manager in Laliga

    Ans) Jose Mourinho joined in 2010

  • 110 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Jail…..Whilst not conclusive, it would seem more and more likely that the boards lack of activity did damage morale. Although, we weren’t doing too well when the season started and the window was still open. I think at this stage it’s a combination of many factors, the big one now being confidence.

  • 111 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Jail

    What do you do? You work in some interesting places.

    And yes I agree morale can be lowered by something which seems insignificant to the person making the decision but to those effected it can really get to them.

    If players like cabaye joined on the word of the manager than the club would constantly improve and look to challenge for top 4 then I can definitely see why he would be upset.

    It’s all speculation but it does seem to fit.

  • 112 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    Indian….Really? That is surprising, really really surprising. No manager has made it past 2 seasons in la liga? Wow.

  • 113 DeanToon88 // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    Transfer Sage, The fans can get us out of this! we need to lift the roof off the stadium tonight, and beleave me the players will love it if St james’ park is in full voice, they need our support now more than ever! the last few games I have been to the atmosphere has been crap, it doesn’t help the team at all. so I urge anyone who goes to the match tonight to lift the roof off it and inspire the lads to a win against a inferior side! HWTL!

  • 114 Indian Magpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Ibiza it is as things stand,

    Pep left after 4 years in charge

  • 115 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    I think Joey Barton being who he is and the acrimonious way in which Jose left gives their comments less credibility but nevertheless I’m still more inclined to believe them two, KK and the courts than Mashley and Dastardly on the clubs affairs, Bills uses the fact that Peter Beardsley has spoken up for the regime, forgetting that if Beardo wants to stay in the NE he would have to work for Hartlepool or boro so he might be more inclined to keep Mashley sweet with a few comments now and then.

  • 116 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    Indian…So of current managers? Was going to say I thought Pep had been there more than two years. Interesting stat though.

  • 117 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    dean

    I imagine it will help them but the players have been poor.

    They cant rely on fans as only half the games are at home, they need to get themselves out of this.

    The influence fans have can be important but its not crucial….some of the mistakes like sloppy 5 yard passing wont be helped by the crowd.

    I admit it is better if the crowd sing for 90 mins that sit in silence but I think it will take a lot more than us to turn them around.

  • 118 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    Jail….As with anything, everyone will have their own agenda when speaking to the press. I imagine the safest bet is there is some truth in all, but none of it is completely true, whether it be positive or negative.

  • 119 Indian Magpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    Ibiza

    Pep, Unni Emry, Mauricio Pochetino

  • 120 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    Transfer,
    I’m an electrician but work in the oil and gas industry that’s how we get about so much.

  • 121 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    Dean toon
    Re-read 103.

  • 122 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    Jail

    Well that’s good to know…wondered what job would have you all over the world.

    And I am with you on not trusting Ashley. I think he clearly cannot be trusted…you don’t get to the top in the business world by being nice and honest.

  • 123 Zero // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    Its interesting to see the call for the fans to get behind the team… surely it would have been wiser for pards to call for MA to get behind his cheque book in the summer, and again this winter…

    IMO i think this season is going to be a flip of the coin affair… we could easily put a run together and make top half of the table ffs WBA are up there, or we could be duking it out in a relegation scrap.

  • 124 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    Zero

    The only problem with that is the last 4 games we lost….they were the ones we thought we would get points.

    We have a very tough december and it will be difficult to get up in the top half if we have another poor run.

  • 125 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Zero…What makes you think Pardew didn’t call for Ashley to open his cheque book? That is all he can do, voice his concerns. The only thing he hasn’t done is complained to the press about lack of support, which imo, isn’t a bad thing.

  • 126 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    Let’s play a game….

    “Football is like life – it is about confidence. When things are going well, you win games and you don’t know how you won. You come off thinking ‘we were rubbish today but we won again’.

    “Sometimes, like we are at the moment, you play well but you can’t get the win and that’s how it goes.

    “They have shown a good attitude. They’ve trained hard, worked hard. They’ve all been good, they’re good lads. We just need a win, don’t we?

    Who said it?

  • 127 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Ibiza

    I think if the support doesn’t come in Jan pardew would be justified to complain in public, even if its just a back handed complaint not a full on rant.

    He shouldn’t have to carry the can for the idiots above him.

    He clearly had an issue though by saying he wanted a goal scoring CB, cabaye’s mate and a striker….all of which we negotiated for and Llambias proved his total lack of worth.

  • 128 israeli_fan // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:34 PM

    off topic…

    I find it very disappointing that 5 of our players, cisse, ba, cabaye. marv and tiote signed against israel hosting the euro u21 to be in israel.

    i dont want to talk politics too much as we are on a football blog, but as a proud israeli, i must say the assault of gaza was inveitable, 10 years we live under rockets (17000 from 2004) from hamas who isnt diffrent from al qaida.

    if only 1 rocket was landing in london or newcastle for that matter, the english goverment, and rightly so, would do the same.

    howay the lads

  • 129 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Ibiza,
    I’ll go for Pards.

  • 130 Ian Toon // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Rotonda/ Catchies/ Indian / Transfer( you seem to be wavering).
    When were playing well most of our attacks start with us getting the ball to the forward / front players as quickly as possible. With the midfield creative players supporting the forward pass. Once we get possession in the opponent’s half they have ability to play with imagination, creative quality and flair. Without Tiote, Cabaye and HBA playing together for much of the season this has been lacking from our play. Also we have one full back not functioning as an attacking force and failing to deliver quality crosses or indeed very many crosses. Cisse is a natural born goalscorer who is not receiving any acceptable level of service.
    Ibiza- Hope we win tonight . Following Tsunki’s I can feel a win in my bones claim I’ ve already got the headline.
    “It was TSUNKI what won it.
    matty NUFC- it’s a bit rich you suggesting to Marveaux to keep a cool head! I appreciate apprehension but not blind panic which has been a feature of this blog. It is far worse than the Mackem blog which I visited for investigative journalistic reasons.
    Transfer- even you. Pushy made some fair points .
    JFA- —————————————————

  • 131 Zero // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    I agree December will be rough but if we ride out wigan and fulham we should have a decent chance at QPR. that leaves Man City – Loss, Man utd – most likely a loss however they are leaking goals like a sieve, Arsenal-???.

    Im sure Pards did ask MA for money, most likely similar to oliver twist, shy and timid ”please sir can i have some more”

    what worrys me most about pards is his seemingly lack of tactical knowledge or the inability to alter our play during a match.

  • 132 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    JfA what !
    Spit it out Ian Toon.

  • 133 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    Jail

    Wouldn’t think Beardo needs to work if he didn’t want to. Always came across as a clean living sort of dude not in to booze and gambling.

  • 134 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    TS….Not sure I agree tbh. The day Pardew starts openly criticising the board, no matter how subtle, he best have another job lined up. Who has stood up to them and remained?

    It’s his job and if he doesn’t feel like he can work under them, then he should leave. Cold, but the sad reality.

    Israeli…Not one to jump in to these topics and no offense is meant, but it’s not a question of whether it is justified, but whether it’s safe.

    Politics is always messy and someone is always left out or left to feel treated unfairly.

    Hopefully time will help.

  • 135 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:42 PM

    Ian

    Pushy got the wrong end of the stick from my comments. I think I have been nothing but fair giving pardew til the end of the season to sort things out. I said by February we will know how things are going and that is the time I think I will have enough information to make a decision on Pardew but would persist with him until the season’s end.

    I don’t see how questioning a manager/team/owner that has gone from being consistently in the top 5 last year to scratching around at the bottom of the league is negative.

    I understand injuries and extra game to prepare for have gone against pardew but I think we should still be showing more desire and fight than we have done in most games.

    Also I just can’t get my head around the ba/cisse partnership…it doesnt work. Even last year when cisse was scoring a lot of those goals came in a 433….the ones he got in 442…villa home, chelsea away (2) were very individual goals.

  • 136 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    That’s what worries me zero. You could get him better players but would it necessarily change his long ball tactic? Fat Sham always said he would change with better players but never did.

  • 137 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Jail…You’d think so, but nope. Anymore guesses?

    A little clue, it’s from an article on SS today…

    Ian…Does that mean we can blame Tsunki if it all goes wrong? Wait, that’s not the right attitude, nothing will go wrong. HWTL!

  • 138 Zero // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    @Israeli_fan, ibiza is correct, regardless of political motivations, a question of safety has to be addressed, if hamas are engaging in hostile exchanges with the israelis then a stadium filled with tens of thousands of civilians is an ideal target…

  • 139 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    I knoe Pardew’s hands are tied and you don?t bite the hand that feeds you but there has to be a point when Alan will just snap and take it out on Dictatorship…. Cough…cough.. I mean board and blame them :)

  • 140 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Ibiza

    Well he has an 8 year contract. He doesn’t need to insult the board, just say he needed more money/players. If he gets sacked he will get an 8 year pay out….that won’t be too harsh, i’d settle for that much money.

    Israeli

    Well Ba, Cisse, HBA etc are all of the muslim faith. They will naturally sympathise with gaza over Israel. I don’t want to go further into this as it’s just football on here but thats why I imagine they went against it.

  • 141 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Zero…..Bad example, how can one criticise poor little Oliver Twist? :)

    I get what you’re saying, I just don’t think a bolder approach would work with Ashley, but I am presuming as I’ve never met the guy.

  • 142 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Ibiza

    I dont think it would work in getting more money….it might unite the fans, players and manager to work together though. A ‘we are all in it together’ approach.

    It’s just an idea.

  • 143 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Pardew seems to want to play attractive football signing the likes of Cabaye & Anita but does not seem to be able to implement it IMO. Is it down to his skills as a manager or are players like Simmo and Williamson that are about as comfortable on the ball as a gitraffe to blame ? .

  • 144 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    TS…I’m not sold on this 8 year contract business either. Ashley has made some costly mistakes, but there is surely no way he’d risk having to pay out the remainder of an 8 year contract. There must be clauses in there to protect him.

    I still don’t see what it helps by Pardew saying I need new players and money – it’s so obvious and would just bring more negativity and reason for media etc to cause a divide. Some stuff is better left in house, I’m all for being open and honest, but sadly, it doesn’t work that well in reality.

    Knowledge is power, so sometimes you have to be careful who has what knowledge.

    Do we think Ashley would bow to pressure if the media were reporting Pardew was unhappy with investment? I wouldn’t hold me breath.

  • 145 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    already making excuses before a balls been kicked in anger

    so what’ll it be v fulham if we don’t get a point or more tonight? will he blame an injuries if marveaux comes on for a ten minute cameo and pulls a hamstring?

    sorry, whether you accept the excuses or not (i dont’, many still seem to do), that is just awful, awful management. you’re trying to halt a four game losing streak and that’s your approach to gear your team and their supporters up?

  • 146 Zero // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Ibiza i find the story of oliver twist very approiate for NUFC… full of cockney theives :P sorry that was too easy lol

    But yes i very much doubt telling MA what he should an shouldnt do will get you far in the club, i just find it ironic that now they are deeply looking at the situation of not enough players and basically going…. “well i didnt think that would happen” as if a cartoon rocket has exploded in their faces.

  • 147 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Big Pappa…I’d imagine “the truth” will be revealed by Pardew as and when he needs a new job. No sooner, no later :)

    Matty…Which excuse is that? There have been one or two floating about…

  • 148 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    big pappa

    even if the problem is simmo and willo pardew needs to find a way around it.

    A solution could be having an extra man in midfield to drop deep and collect the ball of simmon/willo, not many players from midfield give them options which suggests to me they are not being told to.

    I dont think pardew is such a bad manager he wouldn’t notice nobody from midfield giving options so I presume he wants them to go long.

    I think ultimately Pardew might want to go for more fluid football, I simply don’t know, but I think that he has to find a way to get them playing a bit better.

  • 149 Ian Toon // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    Transfer- otherwise David Moyes would have long been out of the Everton post.
    Ibiza— I am not in the blame game mate and your insatiable humour will see us through. I can’t wait until our fortunes pick up and the Catchies and friends move their caravans on. I was coming on last night earlier but could not face the negatives anonymous group. Fortunately BandB and Tequila made for a more interesting spell. See ya.

  • 150 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Jail – you fancy a job at home, we are taking on an electrcian, obviously would be miles below what you are getting currently flying around in russian choppers,

    Anyway, how would i get a job flying around in russian choppers, were would be a good place to get started? DCS engineer, were with a few sparks and tiffs?

    Know me control systems inside out, might do a few electrical drawings of a 1970 poorly serviced ex KGB helicopter if you want.

  • 151 Ian Toon // Dec 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    Ibiza- knowledge is power. Keep the faith.

  • 152 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    Ian

    The difference is with everton is that you can see the way they are trying to play though. Moyes may not always have a great season but they usually finish top half which is a good achievement…i’d settle for that with us and the odd year pushing for europe.

    What annoys me with Pardew is not the defeats….its the way we lose…playing a lot of long balls when we have players that can play better football than that. Also the long ball we seem to use doesn’t even play to our strengths…it really doesn’t work.

    We just persist with a system and players in certain positions which just doesnt work.

    Like I say…we will know our level by February but I am happy to give Pards til the end of the year…you don’t get a good manager mid season anyway most of the time.

  • 153 BelfastMagpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    That 8 year contract will be a full of get out clauses.

  • 154 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    Israel not being in Europe should be enough reason not to hold it there.

  • 155 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Zero…..Sometimes the easy ones are the best, well played :)

    You’re right, it is like something out of a cartoon at times. In the summer there was a lot of debate about risks. For Ashley there were two options.

    1) Invest and try push on. The risk was more financial outlay without any guarantee on return.
    2) Make do and re-assess as and when. The risk, well, that’s pretty obvious at this stage.

    Ashley has learned a thing or two since arriving and it’s usually been costly. From now on, when deciding what risks to take, i’d imagine it’ll be the option with the lesser outlay.

  • 156 catchy in norway // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    ibiza

    i have not read all ov the replies since yousaid a new manager will face the same problems,, yes that is very true if that new manager happens to be JFK or a mick mcarthy, one of the old school managers, who fully believe in long ball football

    what has struck me more tis season than any other in the prem is the amount of so called poorer teams getting the ball down and having a go at the so called big teams

    this weekend was great for football, but the main game i liked was reading v man u,,

    i thnk there is plenty of managers that could do wonders with the players we have right now,,
    what we have more than most is great forwards,, well 2 ov them, both can finish, use both feet and there heads outside the 2 manchester teams no one can match our 2 up top, what they need is service,

  • 157 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Ibiza

    Just taking personalities out of it, ie pro and anti Pardew camps, at the end of the day I just want to watch good football. I am still naive enough to see it as a source of entertainment. Is that really so wrong?

    So naturally I get a bit aggrieved when the ball continually sails over the midfield’s heads for 90 mins
    when we have some world class players.

    I never thought I’d see the day when we got out footballed at home by an injury ravaged Allardyce team.

    I don’t know what time exactly through the season we parted company with Hughton but that didn’t affect us too badly, although ironically Hughton is now also doing much better with a vastly inferior squad.

  • 158 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Rotonda you’re always a miserable sod.
    Cheer up.

  • 159 woolerbill // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    Red cards- We were a poor team , until two key players got themselves red card. That what tipped us over the edge. We would have been OK if our moral was up.

  • 160 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Catchy….Hello. I didn’t say they would, but that the board would need to honestly assess whether the problem was Pardew or the restrictions he was working with….i.e. would it be beneficial to change managers.

    Rotonda….Good idea, egos and personalities is not what is important and more often than not, can cause communication problems.

    I have no issue with fans wanting a better style of football, I really don’t. My issue is that so many fans have turned on Pardew as soon as the results haven’t gone our way. Was last season really so painful to watch? Sure there may have been better managers, who could have given us better displays, but step by step.

    When Pardew was appointed I don’t think there were too many better options out there and since his arrival he’s done a decent enough job imo, enough to earn a decent shot (much like Hoots should have been given some more time imo – but that isn’t this conversation) at turning around this first severe slump.

    We were relegated and imo it will be a slow and steady re-building process. Over time all areas should be upgraded, inc manager as and when needed, I ju st don’t think it’s that time yet, nor can i see who would actually come in and make a noticeable difference.

  • 161 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    ibiza

    you just posted the article from sky, no?

    “I do expect that when we go to Fulham I’ll be in a lot stronger state than I am for Wigan and then we’ll react from that.”

    to me that sounds like he’s making himself a buffer.

    I’m so so tired of these excuses about injuries. Wigan is decimated. they have NINE first teamers out tonight. we have Cabaye, HBA, and arguably perch and the two taylors…..two of which (raylor and perch) wouldn’t even get into AP’s full strength side.

  • 162 catchy in norway // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    Rotonda heights

    im with you

    i just like football,, and that is not being negative,,

    if i was at the match, if i could get there, i would be 100% behind the team, id sing my heart out for 90 mins,

    at the end id be feeling verry let down, even more so

    in the summer it would have been nice to have more than anita come in, but like pardew, i thought the squad wasnt bad,,

    and the squad carnt be so bad,, he has made as many as 9 changes to the team for the 2 competitions

    and i must say the kids in europe havelooked much better than the men in the EPL games

    the bottom line is he plays way to defensive for the very attack minded players we have

    jonas is and never will be a defensive player, he stuggles to win or keep the ball,, he is a player that loves to run at players
    but playing jonas, will end up getting pardew fired

  • 163 Transfer Sage // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Ibiza

    I dont think last season was painful to watch. Could it have been better, maybe…but we had a lot of players new to the league and club so it was always going to take time.

    I think a successful season this year with not additions is mid table and a reasonable run in FA or europa cup.

    But even if we don’t achieve this I dont think a manager should be sacked unless a knew one who is going to be better (or a very good chance of being better) is lined up. Also whoever comes in needs some backing.

    I just can’t see anything changing…not many signings if any and pardew staying.

    What I really hope for is that pardew continues to grow and learn and eventually see’s a better system to fit the players.

    Well I’ve had enough of all this….we genuinely do seem to go in circles a lot here haha…..I will see you all around match time.

  • 164 catchy in norway // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    Ibizatoon

    maybe the board should have waited to sack CH until a better option came along??

    may be

  • 165 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    catchy

    it was apparent that the board wanted AP and only AP, for reasons only the three of them know, and probably pards.

    it wouldn’t have mattered if Pep was knocking down the door for an interview (as apparently Jol was), they wanted AP and it was completely premeditated. to me at least that was pretty apparent, whether i agree with it or not completely aside

  • 166 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Evil Catchy reading Pardew’s interview in the journal today it would suggest there’s no chance of them sacking Pardew anytime soon.You will have to keep beating that drum louder & louder.

  • 167 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    Another busy day in the life of little me :-(

    …so what’s the word on the team tonight? any news?

  • 168 catchy in norway // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    mattyNUFC

    the funny thing is

    CH has had the fans from birmingham and norich and necastle singing his praises,,

    for me from what i have rread,, only southamton fans liked pardew

    if we go down,, DICK LAMEASS has some big questions to answer,, both pardew and dick should be shown the door, this is a big club being miss run

  • 169 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    You and Rotonda should stand outside St James Park beating the drum.Get Rotonda to bring some old bin lids & he could bash the bin lids of the ground.

  • 170 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Matty….I did indeed, apologies for not keeping up. Is what he said really that bad? No players back for this game, should be for Fulham, that will give us more options.

    It’s got to the point now that he can’t say anything without fans jumping on it. He’s going to have to turn the results around as clearly few people care what Pardew says or thinks.

    TS….It’s like one big merry go round, just without the merry. Catch you later.

    Catchy….Maybe. But then maybe we wouldn’t have got 5th and EL? Maybe Hoots wouldn’t have done as well to sell “the plan” to incoming players. Loads of ifs and buts there my friend. Let me be clear though, I was outraged when Hoots was fired and Pardew appointed. But he has won me over for now, but that’s me.

  • 171 catchy in norway // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    YO
    Catchy In Straight Jacket

    il plod away ;) making sure i get hurt by a small few,,

    il fight my corner, being narrow minded

    being negative, that confuses me,, how can i be negative for wanting the manager to play a little more openly,,

  • 172 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Jactket…Don’t forget to add some salt and pepper to that pot you’re stirring ;)

    Jesper…No news yet. Are you feeling any better yet?

  • 173 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    How would I go about winning you over Ibiza toon ?
    Would I have to talk the talk and walk the walk ?

  • 174 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    I understand your misery evil Catchy. Living in Norway cant be easy.

  • 175 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    I’m looking forward more to the boozing involved with tonight’s game, I hope I’m pleasantly surprised and we see an exciting solid display, the last time I saw us play well live was the 0-3 reverse against Chelsea at home last season.

  • 176 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Catchy…It’s not the wanting to see attractive football that has given you this negative persona, more the “Pardew can’t take us forward”, “With Pardew here we will be relegated” etc etc.

    I know they aren’t direct quotes, well, they may be, but I haven’t checked, but you get the idea. In your posts, you clearly have a large bug up your backside about Pardew which makes it hard for me to take on what you say. I imagine the same if felt by you with us optimists. It could be argued we’d all benefit from some middle ground, where the reality probably lies.

  • 177 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Well were well overdue a performance, lets hope it’s tonight.

  • 178 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Catchy in straight jacket

    Hilarious coming from a man / woman who feels the need to nick other people’s alter egos to brighten their little life after someone had already beaten you to fake ruddy!! Now that’s sad.

    Oh We’r eon the verge of our eors tever run we’r eplyig shite football

  • 179 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Had a fit of dyslexia there!!

  • 180 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Jacket…You’ve already won me over, but can’t a guy play hard to get these days?

    Walking the walk and talking the talk are important factors mind.

  • 181 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    I agree Rotonda prozac just isn’t the same anymore.
    You should get you’re doctor to give you some stronger anti depressants.

  • 182 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    I’ll try again,

    We’re on the verge of our worst ever run of any newcastle side. We’re playing sh..e football. We’ve got a manager with form of relegations (plural.) Forgive me for not jumping up and down with joy. Maybe I’m just a little bit more discerning and think we deserve a hell of a lot better.

  • 183 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    catchy i s j

    It’s just a case of penis envy and my mother never loved me!!

  • 184 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    Don’t think I’ve ever claimed to be the real Catchy??
    I’m far more classy than him & he knows it.
    Ruddy was claiming to be the real Ruddy, so you cant really compare the two.

    Have a nice day anyway, hopefully we win tonight & that cheers you up.

  • 185 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    Ibiza…I don’t know! I think I might be feeling the blues ;-)

    …ask me tomorrow again lol

    Can we win tonight you think?

  • 186 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    Rotonda….Clearly it’s not a time to be jumping with joy, it’s just some don’t think changing manager will solve the many current issues. We may well be wrong, but there are other things that can and shouuld be addressed first imo.

    Anyway, off for a meeting with my solicitor, there goes a couple of hours of my life :)

    Take it easy all.

  • 187 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    We’d never been relegated until our best owner ever turned up, we’d never lost four in a row until our best owner ever turned up, we’ve never lost five in a row………….

  • 188 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    Jesper….Of course we can, but don’t ask me if we will :)

    Bye for now.

  • 189 catchy in norway // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Ibizatoon

    IBIZA

    i understand

    but this is how i feel,, i carnt help feeling that we have gone backwards in football terms,, with the players we have we should be doing much better, footballing wise,

    like i said before,, the so called small teams are now all playing football, and some having good success even with there small squads,,

    we are a one dimention team, with no other plans, unless it involves switching jonas to another place on the pitch

    catchy

    norway is beautiful,

    and if it makes you happy being trying to be the better me,, then go for it,

    i know there has not been many times i have felt like this about newcastle, and i feel i have good right to feel this way,,
    maybe there are only a few of us who think this way, we feel we have the players to play good football and get results that would keep us top 10,, id be happy with that, given the guy the is running the show DL

  • 190 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Good day to you all & 3 points tonight please!!

  • 191 catchy in norway // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    off home to prepaire my ritual pardew sack dance and meal,,

    see you all tonight,,

  • 192 Dannyo // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    It just hit me, how about we pounce Wigan tonight, playing Ranger, Cisse and Ba in a 4-3-3 like this:
    Cisse – Ba – Ranger

    Think it could work?

  • 193 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Check,
    Are you going up there tonight ?

  • 194 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    ibiza

    i don’t think it’s jumping on whatever he says. i think there are just two very different trains of thoughts. some people empathize with what some consider his plight. others aren’t as easy to accept excuses. i understand a lot of the people (myself included) who are less than happy with pardew are more prone to criticize such excuses, but can you think to many other managers (other than recently or soon to be sacked managers, or SAF) who spout such sentiments with such frequency? i can’t, and the more it’s done the more it aggravates me.

  • 195 rainrix // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    So if we lose tonight is it fair to say pards will get the sack/crucified on the tyne bridge? I here rafa’s nearly out of the job apparently.

    Seriously though december will be a horrific nightmare for use, fulham away is always a bad fixture for us, city aren’t playing well but are still getting results, man u, well yeah we screwed. So i say we really really need a win tonight just to hopefully give some confidence and belief back, hopefully then we can pick up some surprise results.

  • 196 toonLYF // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    inspirational stuff from the BIZ at comment 126 :)

  • 197 Zero // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Pardew wouldnt even get sacked if we were relegated, even if he was who would come and make better of our current plight. lets hope for a win tonight and again against fulham and QPR, stick 5 in defense for Man U and City aim for a draw.

  • 198 Beattie25 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    Is Caldwell likely to play?

  • 199 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    Ibiza

    Everyone loved that 6/7 games run we went on last season when Pardew was finally forced to play Benny because Obi and Raylor were injured. It was some of the best free flowing and counter attacking football I have ever seen in my life. Blueprint games like Stoke at
    home and WBA away were defining moments

    But it was just inexplicably kicked in to the long grass. I would love to see that form back again. If Ba won’t play left why did we have to throw the whole system out just to accommodate him when it only needed
    someone else to play out left like Marveaux or Obi?

    Somewhere between then and now Pardew has got stuck and seems unable to get out of reverse with his Ba and Cisse 442 long ball combo.

    The word more than anything is FRUSTRATION because we just don’t understand why something so good has been abandoned and yet all Catchy, sage, cockney magpie, Stuart, myself et al get is abuse, never any answers and flip remarks like well we’d only get JFK if Pardew went.

    I’m sure there is a happy person in all of us waiting to jump out but all pards is doing right now is a very good impression of Souness.

  • 200 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    I’m putting myself to the fullest possible use, which I think is all any conscious entity can hope to do.

  • 201 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    rain

    that’s the difficult thing.

    do i personally want pards gone? yeah.

    am i calling for his head? no, because i don’t trust who would be appointed.

    i’d be hard-pressed to say rafa could get this team up and going to the tune of what a lot of fans are asking.

    we just have to hope he can lead us through this patch and get us back to a 433 (mind there’s no reason we can’t start that tonight….or four matches ago)

    hope Marveaux gets the start tonight with perch out. in case anyone missed his interview with espn, here it is again:

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1248797/andy-brassell:-marveaux-eager-to-make-up-for-lost-time?cc=5739

  • 202 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:13 PM

    rainrix,

    What was November then?

  • 203 rainrix // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Matty… That rafa comment was sarcasm btw :). Like him or not like you say we are stuck with him for the time being, it would be so much better if we all continue to get behind the team.

    Rotonda…. November? An apocalyptic fustercluck maybe? :)

  • 204 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Yo Beattie,
    I read earlier that he’s doubtful, tbh out of all their players he’s the only one I’ve heard of.

  • 205 sweendog // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    3 – 1 Newcastle tonight ..
    this is when the 12th man counts .. if we win tonight and win well then thats the cobwebs away and we can push up the table and attract the quality players we are currently looking at ..

  • 206 Beattie25 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    JFA

    Thats good, I had a dream he scored against us.

  • 207 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    Beattie,
    It must have been next season can you remember what strip he was wearing.

  • 208 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    Beattie

    glad you’re back, btw

  • 209 sheikkra // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Krul
    Simmo Collo Willo Santon
    Anita Tiote
    Ranger Marveuax
    Cisse Ba

    Make it happen (providing of course all the injuries and bookings remain as is – would love Perch instead of Willo, of course Cabaye & HBA in there)

  • 210 Beattie25 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    He wasnt wearing a strip he was wearing a loin cloth and his tanned skin was bathed in baby oil.

    Matty

    Cheers, its good to be back. I’ve decided that the blog was the best place to suffer as we can all suffer together.

  • 211 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    All hail the return of beattie :)

  • 212 Jail for Ashley // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    Shiekkra,
    That reads as a 4-2-2-2, I’ve never heard of that one do they teach it at coach school.

  • 213 nufc786 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    very quiet return beattie…… normally take the blog by storm you do…but you will…..

  • 214 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    They told him don’t you ever come around here
    Don’t wanna see your face, you better disappear
    The fire’s in their eyes and their words are really clear
    So Beattie, just Beattie

    You better run, you better do what you can
    Don’t wanna see no blood, don’t be a macho man
    You wanna be tough, better do what you can
    So Beattie, but you wanna be bad

    Just Beattie, Beattie, Beattie, Beattie
    No one wants to be defeated
    Showin’ how funky and strong is your fight
    It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right
    Just Beattie, Beattie
    Just Beattie, Beattie
    Just Beattie, Beattie
    Just Beattie, Beattie

    They’re out to get you, better leave while you can
    Don’t wanna be a boy, you wanna be a man
    You wanna stay alive, better do what you can
    So Beattie, just Beattie

  • 215 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    I am going for 3-0 tonight with Cisse scoring a brace and Ba to get the third. And we desperately need a clean sheet as well

  • 216 nufc786 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    2-0 for us cisse and anita…..

  • 217 Beattie25 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Did anyone see that the whole ‘are willo/simmo good or bad?’ has been sorted?

    motd3 has chosen them both in their ”uncapped england 11′.

    This team shows you the quaity of English players at
    the minute.

    GK – Steve Harper – NUFC
    RB – Kyle Naughton – SPUDS
    CB – Mike Williamson – NUFC
    CB – Anton Ferdinand – QPR
    LB – Danny Simpson – NUFC
    RM – Wayne Routledge – SWANSEA
    CM – Kevin Nolan – WHU
    CM – Craig Gardner – SCUM
    LM – Matty Taylor – WHU
    CF – Rickie Lambert – SAINTS
    CF – Grant Holt – NORWICH

    What a team.

    Who would manage? I reckon wor Alan

  • 218 Beattie25 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    nufc786

    I created the prophet of doom character but JFA said he hated it so I threw it in the bin in favour of a gentle approach.

    Ruddy

    I am grabbing my crotch and screaming chamone as I read.

  • 219 santonthenewmaldini // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    The way we are playing sort of reminds me of when Hughton was in charge at the very end for us

    He done good for us dont get me wrong but the last 6 or so games we were getting found out and his tactics and subs where as bad as Pardew’s and we took a few beatings like 5 1 away to Bolton

    But now i see the way Norwich play and its fantastic especially that 28 pass move against Sunderland for the 2nd goal!!Maybe given time Hughton could have turned it around for us ?

    Pardew has never been a long ball manager he had West Ham playing good stuff and brought through a lot of the flair players at Southampton could he turn it around for us like Hughton has done for Norwich???

    Think the problem is confidence i honestly believe that the players are struggling with the weight of the shirts the expectations that we put on them are unrealistic at times and it does not help when the crowd moans at every touch Obertan, Willo etc some players like Arfa thrive on the expectation but other players get consumed especially the youngsters

  • 220 Beattie25 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    I reckon tonight we will win 2-0.

    I’m usually negative but today I feel that my return will inspire the team.

  • 221 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    Rainrix

    You said december will be a nightmare. just wondered how you rated November just gone then,

  • 222 Super Magpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    This game is a must win, it doesn’t matter how we do it, we just
    need to win. Anything less is unacceptable. Even if we play well and don’t win ( harsh but we need a win). Wigan have as many injuries as us and have lost 3/4 games so they are in a very similar position to us.

    No excuses tonight Pardew. I know you’re going to line up in a 4-4-2 as usual, so I’m not going to bother moaning about it that much. Just get the lads to give everything and try to keep the ball on the ground. Hoofing will get us nowhere as showed this season. We can’t afford to drop any points tonight. This is a MUST WIN GAME.

  • 223 nufc786 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    Beattie25
    i had my suspicions….. good to see you back…..

  • 224 Beattie25 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    This game is massive tonight.

    I would go as far as saying its the biggest we’ve had since Villa away in 2009.

  • 225 nufc786 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    hopefully we will play 4-3-3 today……
    .

    Cheik tiote got swept over Niagara Falls…He liked it so much, he swam back up and did it again.

    the return of tiote banter………

  • 226 Beattie25 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    Tiote’s poor form has coincided with the lack of Tiote banter.

  • 227 nufc786 // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    i know….

  • 228 89Norcal // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    santonthenewmaldini

    Most of our struggles have been due to this striker issue. Just look back; Pardew had us playing great football when Ba was our #1 and after Cisse’s arrival, when both his and Ba’s morale was sky high.

    After Ba started voicing/showing his disdain for playing as a winger, Pardew had to switch it up for the new season now that the honeymoon was over.

    Managers hit rough patches as well, and Pardew seems to have struggled with planning his tactics for both Europa games and the EPL.

  • 229 Blaydon-Toon // Dec 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Well fellow Toonies I’m raring to go and cheer on the Toon to a much needed win … I’m saying 2-0 Cisse will score at Least one ! ST JAMES PARK HERE I COME :-)

  • 230 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    well ladies and gentlemen say your prayers to the football Gods tonight and hope to get back on track. Howay the lads !

  • 231 obatoyou // Dec 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Piglet: Alan, why do you keep playing Ba and Cisse even though we haven’t won for a while?

    Pardew: Give em one more go ay pig, no score and a loss and I’ll change a few things up

  • 232 Rotonda heights // Dec 3, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    Wigan…Ex-Magpie defender Gary Caldwell and midfielder David Jones are doubtful, while Ryo Miyaichi, Ivan Ramis, Albert Crusat, Ben Watson, Shaun Maloney and Antolin Alcaraz are all out injured.

    Hope there’ll be no need for Pardew to use the old injury excuse this time.

  • 233 Graeme // Dec 3, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Rotunda – unless we don’t win!!

  • 234 ToonDownSouth // Dec 3, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    Why is anyone bothering to suggest formations? It just makes it more depressing when we inevitably line up in 4-4-2 with Ba & Cisse.

    Even if we don’t, Pardew will panic and we’ll be back to it by the second half.

  • 235 Zambiantoon // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    Don’t care the formation, just need the 3 points!!! Come on Newcastle!!

  • 236 lesh // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Jail (@1), assuming the wet trout’s still alive, what have you got against the poor sod (the trout that is)?

    Jail, no wanting to tread on your little tootsies but hows about MA building up to what he’s been told is a really hot blind date, only to find out it’s Llambias….. being too good for him?

    And Mr Beattie25 @217… what about Routledge in there too. That’s just about all of our supposedly useless players given the recognition they deserve.

  • 237 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    Jail – nope, havent got much cash lately, have other outgoings (bought part in a racehorse), got Man City tickets, looking forward to it, getting behind the lads for a fruitless 90 minutes, then down grey street for a pretentious pint with the missus, few of us going up.

    Hopefully we might try and knock the ball about and we can get the result tonight, hope Pards tries and pick a team that can pass and move, Marveaux should be a cert, would actually like to see Obertan, dont think the lads bad, could Ben10 be ready? would give evrybody a lift if the starting line up is this, please Pardew please.

    Krul
    Santon Willo Collo Jonas/Fergy
    Anita Tiote
    Oberloon Ben10 Marveuax
    Cisse

    Personally would bin Ba and Simpson, hate players who arent committed long term to the club pulling on the jersey. Plus Ba has really turned into Mr Greedy.

    And Beattie25 welcome back, hope you have come back to join in the Pardew bashing, you know it makes sense, there seems a few more doubters since you were last on, which is nice.

  • 238 Dannyo // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM

    @TDS
    Lol, well said mate. Let´s stay like positive pessimists :)

  • 239 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    Oba
    Lol

  • 240 Magpies-till-d3ath // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    Krul
    Simpson Coloccini Williamson Santon
    Anita Tiote Gutierrez
    Cisse Ba Marveaux

    Cheick Tiote once got bitten by a 10ft long poisonous viper, after days of internal suffering……..the snake finally died.

  • 241 BelfastMagpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    If we lose im quitting the blog & making a dramatic exit.

  • 242 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    If we lose, I’m going to excrete on Pardew’s desk and rub his nose in it.

  • 243 JAMSHA // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    start ranger insted of ba for 1st half n see how cisse plays

  • 244 BelfastMagpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:19 PM

    Im gonna take a big gamble and say we”ll play 4-4-2 lol.

    And if we aren’t winning at half time, Shola will come on for Cisse.

    And we”ll do a Willamson special set piece,that will come to nothing, more than once. :-)

  • 245 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    ruddy

    be nice, man. pardew’s had plenty of the brown stuff up there before from MA and DL!

  • 246 JAMSHA // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    LETS START THIS MONTH WITH A WIN :-) … 2-0 TO NEWCASTLE

  • 247 Catchy In Straight Jacket // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    ruddy if we lose im going to hammer a six inch nail into you’re forehead.Then im going to nail you to the nearest fence.

  • 248 Carryingcoals // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    I’m worried about tonight. Just want to get through the 90 minutes and nick the result!

    Would like to see Marveaux start tonight to add a bit of guile in the midfield…

    http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=394

    pressure’s on!

  • 249 BelfastMagpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    Im going for a 1-1 draw.

    Negative ferker that I am. ;-)

  • 250 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    Carrying
    Dont worry mate 2-0 to the toon!

  • 251 Carryingcoals // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    tads

    I hope you’re right. Going 1-0 toon!

    Unthinkable to lose again

  • 252 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Must say i am particularly looking forward to our new free kick routine, I cant wait, its like Xmas Eve.

    Wonder what it is, im thinking it might be Anita takes the kick towards, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, yep, you guessed it Williamson. Pardumb at his creative best. :)

  • 253 Carryingcoals // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    check

    odds on willo scoring a corner tonight?! :D

    I wish we’d just cut the crap and stop all this players hiding behind eachother etc and just float a ball in, that is provided we are capable of hitting it over the first man of course.

    off to the game anyway, have a good’un all

  • 254 ToonDownSouth // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    For once I agree with check.

    If players are not commited to the club then they should not be pulling on the shirt.

    If the stories about Ba demanding £90k and threatening to leave for £7m, then he should not be playing for the club.

    Simpson is slightly different, because there is a good chance – knowing our owners – that he’s being asked to play for a bag of potatoes a week. But still, it’s gone on long enough.

  • 255 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    When it comes to Newcastle and what we all want I would just like to quote no other than Austin Powers:

    …’I would like a toilet made of gold, but that is just not in the cards is it’ ;-)

  • 256 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Also looking forward to what formation we will play, will it be Ben10 behind a striker, maybe one up front some decent ball players and pace in midfield to counter Wigans nice style, maybe we will play attacking full backs both sides,

    Really excited feels a bit like Xmas Eve,

    Pardew will no doubt leave me with that M&S jumper feeling, 442 it is. ba and Cisse.

  • 257 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    TDS

    who knows what the actual story is, but even if that is the case we know right now he would not be dropped by AP.

  • 258 ToonDownSouth // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    * If the stories are true

  • 259 Dannyo // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    @TDS
    Simmos pay was leaked last week, his seemingly ex girlfriend, said that he was on 20K a week.

  • 260 BelfastMagpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    20 grand a week to much lol

  • 261 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    15 minutes til team sheet

    really hope marvs is in tthe starting 11.

    really wish i quit having any inkling of expectation before matches only to be let down

  • 262 jimmysmith // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:45 PM

    This period where we are are missing a couple of key players, is the time to encourage both Marv and Anita. They are both players well worth a start when playing well and players we worked hard to bring to the club. We need to bring these guys on because our problem is a lack of quality in depth and these two probably do have the quality where other fringe players perhaps don’t.

    Play Marv, Pards.

  • 263 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Jiz getting in people’s faces again then is he?

    Can’t see another defeat, predict a better performance, with a couple of goals and a clean sheet to boot. Dare I dream? I am going to go for 3 nil, that’s right folks! :D

  • 264 Magpies-till-d3ath // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Jamie Redknapp reckons we’ll draw 1-1!

  • 265 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    Jimiley – i totally agree if Marv cant get a start with the squad decimated and us playing the most non physical start in the league, were does that leave him?

    And more on this subject, why has Pardew hung the lad out to dry at possibly the worst place for him to stake a claim, Everton away, tosser.

  • 266 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    jimmysmith

    just read an interview today where Marvs was saying he’s not a winger, he really wants to be given a decent go at ACM.

    could there be a better time, really? ever? probably not. tiote and anita playing the holding roles (where Anita needs to be playing anyway) and marv in the hole? sounds great to me. hell, even throw guti at LW if that means we can see this formation start to take shape (not like he deserves it on form, of course)

  • 267 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:54 PM

    Check

    If Pardew isn’t playing him when the squad is decimated then surely that is more of an indication of how poorly he is playing in training rather than Pardew’s ineptitude. Hung out to dry at Everton away? So Marv’s pitiful performance at Everton was Pardew’s fault too?

    Seems like people will twist anything to make it Pardew’s fault.

  • 268 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    check

    that everton game was the worst time for Marv to get a start. he had simmo behind him, he’s playing on the wing where he never really played for Rennes, and he’s got maybe the world’s best LB attacking him with a very, very solid Pienaar in front.

    …and he gets made to be the scapegoat. for all this talk of pardew slowly incorporating players like HBA and santon (which I always thought was a load of garbage), hinting at his incredible man-management skills, that was an absolutely horrendous decision

  • 269 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    MTD
    Jamie redkanapp also reckons he was a footballer……

  • 270 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    ruddy

    i think you have to look at the circumstances of that game, as i had mentioned before

    NO ONE on that pitch for us in that first half deserved to remain on there for the second 45

  • 271 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Predicted team by mister predictable

    Krul
    Simpson Willo Collo Santon
    Marveuax Anita Tiote Jonas
    Ba Cisse

    Possibly the slowest team in the league. Must be so hard for Martinez to predict how to beat us, maybe we will be overran in midfeild and if they press us we will loaf it long, i know im being pessimistic but it is all so predictable.

    Hope im wrong.

  • 272 alex84 // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    Come on Boy’s lets get the 3 points tonight! Cisse to get 2!

  • 273 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Ruddy – totally clueless comment by you im afraid.

  • 274 jimmysmith // Dec 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Yeah, having shown little or no prior faith in the player he pitches him in to a boiling cauldron as if to prove to others he’s not to be relied upon.

    Rather odd.

  • 275 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Matty

    I don’t think anyone is making Marv a scapegoat, no one is saying that he was responsible for the poor 45 mins we had in the first half against Everton but his own individual performance was atrocious and that is not Pardew’s fault, Marv has to perform regardless of who is behind him in defence and who he is up against at FB stop making excuses for him just so you can have a pop at Pardew.

  • 276 tequilamag // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    check Simmo did not play in the Everton game Def was Perch Will Santon and Taylor

  • 277 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    matty – last year it was clear that anybody with a grasp on talent would have had Santon and Benny in the team long before injuries forced him too. he was lucky Benny didnt throw his toys out of his pram.

    Man Management my arse. Bad judge of ability more like. Clueless.

  • 278 Dannyo // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    4-2-3-1, looking strong!

  • 279 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    Check

    Which surely should be followed by “In my opinion” because that is all you’re offering, an opinion as I have done and in my opinion Marv not getting much game time is down to him and not Pards.

  • 280 BelfastMagpie // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    4231

  • 281 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    MARVS STARTS!

    here’s your chance son!!! :D

  • 282 check the toastie // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    tequila – didnt say he did. However Perch is better than Simmo anyway, so it wud have only been worse with that non footballer playing.

  • 283 mattyNUFC // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    in the hole as well!!! there ya go!! anita and tiote CDM!!

    credit where credit is due, Aland

    THAT is nearly your best team and line up!! happy days! let’s get those points!

  • 284 p // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    Reckon it will be a draw tonight like

  • 285 tequilamag // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    Sorry Check, my mistake comment was in reply to Matty who said Simmo was behind Marv in the Everton game. I know Simmo gets a lot of stick but a bit unfair to blame him when he was out injured

  • 286 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    Glad to see that formation to be fair, also glad there is a bit of good feeling flying around, hope we put in a performance and get a result to match

  • 287 Thump // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Actually looks pretty strong. Huh.

  • 288 Marty-Toon // Dec 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    I see that Keita is looking at moving to the PL and is on a free.
    Is he worth going for ?
    Maybe he’s a buddy of Tiote but he’s 31 and no sell on value




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