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Bordeaux 2 Newcastle 0 – Full Match Report

8:04 pm, Thursday, December 6th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 183 Comments

Newcastle were well beaten tonight and it could have been a lot worse than 2-0, but for some great goalkeeping by Rob Elliot who made four great saves in the first half to keep Newcastle in the game – but Bordeaux were much better than Newcastle tonight and won easily, and we hardly ever threatened.

This is how we saw the game – as it happened.

The Newcastle team were wearing their lime green tops with black short and lime green socks – the kit they principally wear in Europe this season. Newcastle have to win to win Group D, so a loss or a draw isn’t any good. This was Bordeaux’s 10th tie against English sides in Europe in their history, and the French club had never won, and had only managed two draws.

Bordeaux going into the game were top of group D on 10 points from their 5 games, and they are 6th in the French League, 6 points behind league leaders Lyon.

And after just two minutes of this game, Bordeaux almost went ahead, when a right-wing Bordeaux corner went to Henri Saivet at the far post, and he hit it well, and it looked a goal all over, but then Rob Elliot brilliantly tipped the ball over the bar – a terrific save by the Newcastle goalie.

Newcastle looked decent and well organized in the first 10 minutes, with Nile Ranger prominent with his aggression and speed up front, and it was fairly even with Rob Elliot making that excellent early save to keep Newcastle in the game

And on 18 minutes Rob Elliot again saved Newcastle when he made a great double save, going down low to his left to block the ball that was on the way into the back of the net, and then blocking a second attempt low down again, a brilliant double save by Newcastle’s number two goalkeeper.

The first goal came after 29 minutes, and Newcastle had plenty of warnings as Bordeaux were starting to get the better of midfield, and a left wing cross from Ben Khalfallah was headed home well by Diabate, after James Perch just couldn’t reach the ball to head it away – and it was poor defending from Newcastle, and this time Elliot could do nothing about it.

Ron had already made four good save to keep Newcastle in this game but he couldn’t stop that one.

After the goal it gave Bordeaux a lot of confidence, and Newcastle were starting to chase shadows in midfield, and then Mike Williamson picked up a yellow card just before half time.

Half time came with no added time, and Newcastle could have been out of this game but for four brilliant Rob Elliot saves – the lads had been second best in that first half.

At the start of the second half Vurnon Anita came on in place of Sammy Ameobi, and Newcastle pressed Bordeaux, in an attempt to get back in this game..

Then Shola Ameobi was clean through on 51 minutes, and his left foot shot was just blocked by the goalkeeper with his leg, – and that was Newcastle first shot on goal,a nd it was a clear chance for Shola.

A couple of minutes later Abeid dispossessed a Bordeaux player just outside the box, but his shot was just wide of the goalkeeper’s left hand post.

Diabate then had a chance but a great late tackle from Mike Williamson put the striker off and he shot wide, form a good position, and then after 57 minutes Sertic hit a terrific drive that was inches wide of Rob Elliot’s right hand post.

A Vurnon Anita free kick then went harmlessly wide of the goalkeeper’s right hand post – what’s that about working on our set plays?

After 65 minutes Alan Pardew was seen talking to Fabricio Coloccini, so may be he was going to come on – although he’s one of only fit recognized center-backs that Newcastle have.

James Tavernier was booked after 67 minutes for a bit of a mis-timed tackle, as Newcastle were pushing forward, but they were getting no joy out of a Bordeaux side, who had won their last 8 European games at home.

And then after 72 minutes Newcastle were caught short at the back after pushing forward, and it was Diabate who was put clean through and he made no mistake to get his second goal and put Bordeaux up 2-0 and this could be the first time Bordeaux have ever beaten an English side in Europe.

Coloccini came on for Mike Williamson immediately following the goal, and on 78 minutes Rob Elliot made yet another good save for Newcastle – and then on 80 minutes Cisse replaced Shola Ameobi.

The game fizzled out, with Bordeaux going close a couple of time in making it 3-0, but Newcastle were well beaten tonight by a decent Bordeaux side – so we finish second top of Group D – but we’re through to the last 32 and when things start up again in February – we hope we have some new players in the squad – we need them.

Comments welcome.


Bordeaux (4-4-2): Kevin Olimpa; Matthieu Chalme, Marc Planus, Florian Marange, Maxime Poundje; Fahid Ben Khalfallah, Andre Poko, Gregory Sertic (c), Henri Saivet; David Bellion, Cheick Diabate (Hadi Sacko 88)
Subs not used: Abdoulaye Keita, Ludovic Sane, Landry N’Guemo, Nicolas Maurice-Belay

Newcastle United (4-2-3-1): Rob Elliot; James Tavernier, James Perch, Mike Williamson (Fabricio Coloccini 73), Shane Ferguson; Mehdi Abeid, Gael Bigirimana; Nile Ranger, Sylvain Marveaux, Sammy Ameobi (Vurnon Anita 46); Shola Ameobi (c) (Papiss Cisse 81)
Subs not used: Tim Krul, Danny Simpson, Romain Amalfitano, Adam Campbell

Referee: Menashe Masiah (Israel)

Tags: Europa League · European Competition · Match Reports · Newcastle News

183 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    Should have just forfeited and saved themselves time/money on the journey.

  • 2 Jail for Ashley // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM

    Having his three bird roast replaced with three rodent roast is too good for Ashley.

  • 3 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    very inspiring. ranger might turn himself around yet but needs to improve quickly.
    other than that this was less than forgettable.
    still, we are through and we need to look forwards going on in the league. a tough spell coming up now.

  • 4 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:11 PM


  • 5 catchy in norway // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    toonarmydownsouth and jail

    i have had a busy week,, i have been working 10 hour days, and i have to drive 2 hours each way to work

    i said my piece on the wigan game,,

    but for you 2 i will say it again

    i thought the 3 points were great we need them, the performance was shit, as normal

    i thought it was a soft pen, id be dissapointed if we gave a pen like that, he was just being strong, but heyho,, we got a break,

    i think for large parts of the game we looked like the ones who had 10 men,,

    wigan are not a good team, but they play good football,

    but if you want to delude yourselfs that we turned a corner then go right ahead

    how jonas stayed on the pitchis beyond me,,

    tonight, marv played,, lets see if he plays monday night,, errrr him or jonas

  • 6 dmac // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:13 PM

    Marveaux was back to being his magnificent norm…

    Im so pissed off. We should have won that game. Im sorry to those in Bordeaux. When will the club finally realise what the fans have known for years that Ameobi is not good enough. One is bad enough but two?!? Seriously?

  • 7 jimmysmith // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

    I wonder what Ash’s goal in life is. Make the biggest pile of money ever for peddling the biggest pile of crap ever.

    Give back, Mike!

    You can start in the January transfer window.

  • 8 kevymartins // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    @Ruddy clearly you don’t care about are youth. They need all the experience they can get.

  • 9 Mister Tuff // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    Keeping the first team members for the Fulham game was certainly a correct move. Even though we had qualified for the next round -I was looking forward to the game -to see how the “second string” played,specifically -Marveaux /Abeid/Ranger. I assumed they would want to impress even though nothing was a stake. Turned out to be a poor game and the realisation that some/most of our second string players are really not very good/nowhere near Premiership quality. Ranger made one or two good runs and that was about it. Young Fergie is definitely not a fullback -no way in a month of Sundays.
    Colo’s substitution was the longest in history -from the time he was told he was on and then having to warm up to eventually coming on was an eternity -by which time they had scored a second. A very poor display.
    My optimism from the Wigan game has now evapourated

  • 10 catchy in norway // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM


    its not about given them a chance,, i love watching the kids come through,, i loved going to the reserves to watch them

    but you have to give them a chance, with a good plan,, right now its, with pardew, its always lambs to the slaughter 🙁

  • 11 Jail for Ashley // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:18 PM

    It definitely wasn’t the great performance a lot of people harmed on about but it was probably the most goals I will see us score this season and an improvement on the games I have attended so far this year (season)

  • 12 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    “wigan are NOT a good team but they play good football”
    well lets go down that route then catchy lets be a crap team but pass it round alot!
    it was our reserve team tonight i can’t believe some of the comments on ere sometimes!

  • 13 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    Only plus points
    Hopefully we have come through with no injuries.
    Of the fringe players
    Elliott and Abeid did OK
    As for the Ameobi’s – no comment

  • 14 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    Just get martinez in Pardew`s football is as boring as he looks.His tactics make good players look bad

  • 15 catchy in norway // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    i dont mind winning ugly at tines,, but id like to win and feel proud of how they did it, if that makes sense

    it was 10 men, and they still out played us,, for me that took the shine of the win,,

    we need a performance and a win, that will get us back on trck

  • 16 catchy in norway // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM


    i have said for ages now

    he makes poor players like perch look amazing, but great players like cabaye, look like a pub player

  • 17 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    If it was such a nothing game then why did pardew not go all out attack and at least give the travelling fans something to watch.

  • 18 stuart no9 // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    catchy @ 5 oooh careful what your saying mate . i got slaughtered on here for saying it wasnt a great perfornence against wigan from people who think we are world beaters coz we beat a 10 man wigan side, so ive decided not to comment on tonights game – i will leave it to you . haha.

  • 19 Jail for Ashley // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    I will categorically state and put my neck on the line that Martinez will not work for Mike Ashley .

  • 20 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    martinez has less to work with at wigan and look at the football they play.even with ten men they outplayed us,as have just about every team we have played this season

  • 21 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    Lambs to the slaughter
    Ffs man get a grip we played our reserved vs near on there first team! It was never going to be a gripping match it was just giving the younguns a run out in europe
    As for wigan if you want a team that can knock the ball out with no threat and be in a relegation battle all season every season then how is that moving the club forward?
    Your blind hatered towards the management has turned you from a decent poster in to a bitter twisted boring git! Same sh1t every day jeez and you say pards is predictable!

  • 22 catchy in norway // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    stuart9,, im off in the bath,, i dont care what deluded ppl think,,

    3 good points 3 goals, thats where the good points stop,, the rest,, was a poor poor display


    i dont think wheelan would even give him permission to talk to the club,, he hates ashley


    he is the man,,


    sammy hypiya

  • 23 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    catchy and stuart have you ever thought of players confidence in your thoughts of the wigan game ?
    we’d just lost four in a row!
    we played a hell of alot better than previous!
    did you watch the sunderland game how did you thinkn we played with 10 men for most of it?

  • 24 CAToon // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    The Bordeaux game went as expected, unfortunately. If nothing else, the Europa games have allowed our younger players to gain valuable experience. That is the best that can be said. Both Europe and the League have seen a club lacking in energy, flow, confidence, tactics. They have been outplayed by most teams and I’m not sure why. Talent is there, but the willingness to play an up tempo game seems a distant memory….too bad, because that is when the team is at its best.

  • 25 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    @jfa you say that as though he’d be offered the job

  • 26 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    Outplayed us? They had 1 shot on goal in the whole 90 mins its hardly an onslaught!!

  • 27 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    or did you expect us to capitulate and lose 5-1

  • 28 jimiley // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    We need some perspective on tonites result. We were already through. We played our reserves. Enuf said. We will not win this duffers Cup nobody cares about so why should we? We are better than this rubbish cup. We need to focus on the league and not getting relegated. This duffers Cup is a total distraction and ruining our league form. The sooner we get knocked out the better. Does anybody want to go to France and pay 500 quid to watch the reserves play. Double it for overnite accommodation and the extras eg meals and drinks. A total joke. We are well rid of this rubbish.

  • 29 Jail for Ashley // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    CAToon ,
    Nice try catchy.

  • 30 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    Sammy hypia???? Have you just got a hat next to you with random names! Christ you’ll be calling for tony adams next!

  • 31 Kebabacus // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    Pardew should bring in an attacking coach, maybe an old face like Ginola, or promote Beardsley. This season we look so flat and unimaginative it’s unbelievable.

    Pardew is a good organiser but there is no creativity. It seems like the players get to the halfway line and lose the will to live. Southampton tore us apart with simple pass and move, why can’t we do the same with ‘better’ players?

  • 32 Jail for Ashley // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    Parts battleplan,
    Are you pushy pardew ,pards plan b etc

  • 33 RONNIE147 // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    Pardew is far too negative for the toon we deserve a manager who plays attacking football and who tries to win games not put opposition in a coma with his hoofball tactics and clueless substitutions! Our win at Wigan has only papered over the A1 size cracks in are current set up.

  • 34 jimiley // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    Martinez will not work for Ashley. Only a person desperate for work to put a meal on the table for the kids would. And a person with no self respect.

  • 35 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    @tds they kept and passed the ball better than us and only had ten players.If our football gets any slower it will stop

  • 36 catchy in norway // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:37 PM


    we sat and defended,,

    we have played plenty of times this season for them to gain cofidence,

    to be honest im sick of aguing with some of you

    you clutch at straws, hoping it will suddenly get better,,

    you only look at the last game, you dont look at it from the point he got here, slowly getting worse til we get to this

    TDS yuo say its the same stuff every time,, yeh your right,, you notice what i say,, but you dont notice the same shit we watch every game

    i think you are king of the deluded pardew but lickers,,

    if this had of been sam A you would have been screaming for his head,, because of his reputation for this type of shit football

    DELUDED !!!!!!

  • 37 steventaylor.unit // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Hi all
    Read every day, but have refrained from posting for 4 years.

    Tonight was as poor as I’ve ever seen, like a pub team.
    Honestly we are in trouble. Tonight for the first time I started questioning the coaching. No ideas, apart from either knocking it long to terrible headers of the ball, (Williamson & shola) or get a flair player on the ball and charge through the middle and hope for the best (marv) really, really bad.

    On a brighter note, TAV is a centre half all day long. Alongside colo in front of ‘pub’ player Williamson any day.
    And Ranger shows that cisse could play off him.

    Other than that, decent side, decent players. No idea.
    Poor, poor.

    Long depressing year ahead

  • 38 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    catoon we ain’t had a settled team all season thats why imo we haven’t had a great start if you compare it to lasts seasons our first 15 or so games we had a very settled team with alot of luck with injuries but this season has been the polar opposite.
    but a great experience for the youngins and will only help in there progress
    when was the last time we had so much confidence in so many young players?? i can’t remember lyk!

  • 39 RONNIE147 // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:40 PM

    Pardews substitutions are terrible I’m surprised he didn’t bring krul on when 2nd goal went in!

  • 40 catchy in norway // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM



  • 41 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    @jfa that i am. had a nightmare with my account on here. actually im not pushy pardew just ppb.anyway ash is sticking with pards so martinwez is really not to be thought of is what i meant.

  • 42 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    So they kept the ball to attempt to retain possesion wonder why? Oh yeah they had 10 men and knew if they lost the ball then anita and marv would rip them apart
    Wigan offered nothing in that game nothing at all and if you’d rather credit martinez and wigan for shipping three goals than credit the lads and manager for putting in a solid shift to make sure that not only did we end our loosing streak but kept a convincing clean sheet well it must be horrible going through life only concentrating on the worst of every situation

  • 43 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM

    well said tads

  • 44 catchy in norway // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM




    we will be in the bottom 3

  • 45 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    Lol behave mate i know who he manages, he’s inherited a consitent champions league team with with a CL squad
    We had a mid table team that pardew managed to a 5th place finish and europe!
    Anymore random names that have had a good half season?
    Or how bout like olé, a manager managing a team with a strong financial backing playing a league with a sh1t standard of football? Kinda like city playing in the fizzy pop

  • 46 Jail for Ashley // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    Pards bp ,
    Im glad your not Pushy i didn’t think you were but the name kind of fitted but the style of posts didn’t,anyway Im glad about that as I think push is a t!t.

  • 47 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    So at the end of jan were in the bottom 3? Thats your prediction?
    Okay fella

  • 48 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    @tds If that is good football then you need to get a life.We scored a penalty a rebound keeper should have pushed wide only bigi goal was highlight of night.What about southampton could have been six.I mean southampton,west ham,swansea come on we are going backwards

  • 49 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:50 PM

    i’m sick of arguing with you catchy you weren’t on here after we won but straight on after we lose and reckon we should replace our manger with the most ridiculous and under-experienced managers that not just you but anyone in the world could possibly think off and expect me to take you seriously!
    you ain’t got a clue and thank god not all fans are like you!

  • 50 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    @catchy and tads. if i can take the middle ground (a la ibiza).
    we have been poor. unable to string 2 passes together or pass more than 5 yards.
    the wigan game was something of an improvement (albeit against ten men) but hardly a great performance. it was better.
    tonight was abysmal but we had a very weakened team out.
    we have lots of injury problems ongoing and the squad is different almost every game. teams struggle when there is no consistent lineup.
    last year we had a good start with a consistent lineup, a poor middle period with injuries, and a better finish once there was a consistent squad again. we have had none of this consistency so far

    i don’t think either party is completely right or wrong here tbh as i can pick decent points from both sides.

  • 51 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    So you see no importance in stopping a slump in form?
    And when did i say it was good football jumping the gun there aren’t you
    And get a life? Why? Because i dont spend my time constantly b1tching about my team? Yeah cos im the one with no life there!

  • 52 Novocastrian66 // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Yes it was a poor performance tonight. Should have switched off when I realised Shola was playing. Never mind we can forget about it now until February and try and sort out our league form.
    Hopefully we can pick up plenty of points between now and then and remove the spectre of relegation, and have a good go at winning the thing. There would have to be a dramatic improvement but with some signings in the January sales you never know.
    Wishful thinking? Well it’s nearly Christmas.????????

  • 53 ToonDownSouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    Are some of you so desperate to slate Pardew that you’ll claim that Wigan battered us?

    They lost 3-0, and I don’t recall shot from closer than 25 yards all night.

    Honestly, screw your heads on.

    If I was as pesemistic about life as some of you, I’d have given up a long time ago. It must be horrible.

  • 54 santonthenewmaldini // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    Maybe this was Pardew’s revenge for the numbskulls who asked him about clauses in his contract at that question and answer session??

    On a serious note it did show that a lot of our players are either not good enough or need to be loaned out in January with 3 or 4 1st team ready players brought in and Sammy, Abeid, Tav and Ferguson could possibly go to a championship team on loan??

    Actually hope Shola gets called up for the AFCON and they get to the final as he is useless from the start of a game he is ok for 10 mins at the end!

    The one crumb of comfort to take was that it was not my imagination or bad memory and that Ranger actually is a decent player!!

    Good in the air , powerful runner, nice skills and was working hard can he keep up the good work??

  • 55 toonking // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    btw manxpie
    when you asked early what i base this english league becoming poorer on
    i base it on how poor english teams are getting with the european e.g. chelsea the first ever winner to become knocked out group stage english league winner failing to even qualify for the europa knockout and also the way results are in the premier league this year even manure are poor with there defence.
    adding to that the state england international team are in.

  • 56 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    bottom 3 is a bit ott tbh.
    @jfa was he a bit too pushy with you?

  • 57 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    Mate by no means am i blind enough to say it was a great performance, but it was a great improvement but its laughable for some to say we were played off the park by a team who shipped 3!
    Also catchy pretty much spouts this sh1te after every game win lose or draw

    Rather be deluded than manically depressed buddy 🙂

  • 58 stuart no9 // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:56 PM

    manx @ 23 all i said regarding the wigan game was , we weret as great as wjhat some people thought we were. we were better than normal , – but that was it. i think thats a fair comment, but as for the win- im not going to shout it from the rooftops.people should be allowed their opinion without getting crucified. we are not that good- about time some people realised that!

  • 59 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    daztoon so what do you think of this assumption?
    we ain’t had a settled team all season thats why imo we haven’t had a great start if you compare it to lasts seasons our first 15 or so games we had a very settled team with alot of luck with injuries but this season has been the polar opposite!!
    for me thats not a coinsedence!

  • 60 ToonDownSouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:58 PM


    Agreed mate. It must be so depressing going through life like some of them seem to. Everything’s so depressing, and everything gives them another reason to hop on the internet and start crying.

    Then they have the audacity to suggest other people ‘get a life’. Brilliant (;

  • 61 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    @tds your on this blog constant so yes you have no life.Its not a slump in form its just negative slow boring football.We have some talented players who under Pardew are being strangled.where is the exciting football he promised with a quicker tempo.No we play three defensive support for the strikers just hoof ball

  • 62 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    Yes, yes they are
    Bet there a barrel of laughs to be round!

  • 63 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    @toonking i agree that the prem looks pretty weak this year and has been on the downturn for 2 years but equally could turn around in the next couple

  • 64 WWYCD // Dec 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

    Haha this is such a fun blog

  • 65 cata-TOON-ic // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    Doomed, we’re doomed i tell ya, doomed, doomed

  • 66 ToonDownSouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    I was only half paying attention, so can anyone say how they felt Abeid performed tonight? How did he look?

  • 67 Jail for Ashley // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    Parts bp,
    Just id never even heard of him and he started slaggin my posts and I wasn’t even on at the time,first impressions and all that..

  • 68 Special K // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    As much as I’d have liked a better performance that’s a far better result for us than topping the group.

    We now CAN’T draw any of the following who are all unbelievably 2nd seeds

    Athletico Madrid
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Inter Milan
    Bayer Leverkusen
    Dynamo Kiev
    FC Basel

    The only 1st seeds I’d be wary of would be

    Rubin Kazan


  • 69 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:03 PM

    So are alot of people your point being?
    Of course its a slump, we have even had a fixed starting 11 this season through various injuries and suspensions
    And what about last season pure fluke i suppose with no input from a manager with a full team selection?

  • 70 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    stuart i never said we were great but we were very much improved on the games before hand and your comment before sounded like you said we played crap so i just wanted to point out our confidence must’ve been rock bottom.
    aslong as your not as depressed as catchy its fine 🙂

  • 71 ToonDownSouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Special K

    There are no seeds. It doesn’t work like that mate.

    The only advantage that finishing top brings is that it means you play the second leg at home.

    As for who we can draw – we can draw ANYONE who isn’t English.

  • 72 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

    psst tads and tds they can see your comments…
    and i know catchy can be maddeningly negative but some points i still agree on

    @Daz i do have to say im missing our speedy counter attacks. the ball usually stops at the half way line now until the opposition has got back.

    lets try not to insult each other girls..

  • 73 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    He really didn’t look all that to be honest was really looking forward to see him play to

  • 74 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    Im depressed too, im actually crying as I write this.

  • 75 check the toastie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

    Jail – yes i did see that slow motion headed attempted clearance type thing by Willo on Monday, really sort of beggered belief, sort of funny but not really.

    Anyway we have been shit for ages and it simply isnt going to change, PARDEW OUT.

  • 76 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Last season we over achieved and also had a lot of luck in games which havn`t gone our way this and Pardew goes on about the squad being stronger this season.Our reserve players are not good enough to compete for a first team place they are just reseves

  • 77 Ian Toon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    Pardews Perfect Battleplan- Pushy Pardew knows something about football. He’s one of the 1,200 travelling toon fans mentioned.

  • 78 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    @jfa maybe his first impression of you was seeing a “……is too good for ashley”?

    flip side of the coin there.

    @wwycd isn’t it. glad i came back today

  • 79 ToonDownSouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:09 PM


    I actually agree with quite a bit of what catchy says. But he posts it about 2 times per hour, every single day.. It gets pretty tiring to read.

  • 80 WWYCD // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    Haha it always raises a smile if u read it with the right attitude my friend 😀

    Pretty poor reserves match viewing tonight though, I reckon Pards will be very disappointed in the highly rated youngsters who failed to take a rare chance to impress

  • 81 Jail for Ashley // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    And here’s Judy to throw her oar in !

  • 82 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    that about covers it then toonking lol
    but i still think the premier league is still easily the most competitive but la liga is certainly catching us up on that and i agree on the euro side but do english teams take the euro’s so seriously as they used too?
    i think the battle between the manchester clubs has changed that quite a bit.

  • 83 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    @Ian i trust your opinion. i just ain’t been here for a while. if he talks sense like you mostly do then champion. jfa can get on the wrong side of some but i think he’s a funny guy and is passionate about the toon

  • 84 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:12 PM


  • 85 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    @wwycd. agreed.
    @jfa cool it lol.

    god I’ve missed the battles here

    is real ruddy still stomping guys with big words and carefully thought out comments? i loved that

  • 86 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    @belfast ITS ALL THE RAGE MATE.

  • 87 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    Mate Pardew got sacked by southampton for a reason.We havn`t had massive injuries.Marv has been fit most of the season and what has guti offered us for the past year.Why play with wingers when we dont get crosses in.The fullbacks put in more crosses than the wingers.every other team pass and move,we just pass backwards then hoof

  • 88 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    nice to still see passion on here. expressed in…. erm.. colourful ways

  • 89 ToonDownSouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM


    Pardew’s sacking from Southampton was nothing to do with footballing reasons. Seriously.

  • 90 hotdog // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    Help if got one foot on the catchy train!
    I was looking forward to watching the game tonight and seeing some of our fringe players. That performance was atrocious and not what I expect from my team. My main concern was pardews obvious instructions of boot it long at every opportunity. It’s not football I don’t like it and it has to stop. I was wondering why marveaux was looking uninterested after 5 mins and it took me another 10 to realise that he didn’t want to be in a team playing like this. I can’t say I blame him!

  • 91 Jail for Ashley // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    Just as you make peace with a bills or a ruddy a fu#£in Ian toon or Beefman turns up, hmpphhh.

  • 92 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    CATCHY stop having these MELTDOWNS

  • 93 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    Yeah and the reason he got sacked had nout to do with football
    He laid the foundations of where the club are now

  • 94 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    we haven’t had massive injuries!!!?
    so krul, taylor x 2 simpson,cabeye,tiote, collo, jonas,arfa,shola,gosling,cisse, ober and vuckic ain’t massive injuries then daztoon!!?

  • 95 archaeomag // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    Norway is a long way North and very dark – so they get very depressed up there in the winter.

  • 96 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Sorry i forgot the morale of his staff was at a low because he wanted to play a more boring style of football.

  • 97 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Actually thought Ranger done well tonight.Hope he keeps his head down from now on. Much better option than Shola in my opinion.

  • 98 Ian Toon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Tads- Many a true word is spoken in jest. I thought Abeid showed some promise of a lot more to come. Ranger did ok given that he’s well short of match fitness and that he had to play with Shola.

  • 99 Marzy // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    How uninspiring was that performance?? Ignore the result as we are already through! but I would of liked to see us string some good passes together?, we were dire!!!
    I am worried how we will ever improve! if we yet again have more lack luster performances like this!, surely Pardew will realise that we have to tinker with the squad & formation when were in cup competitions? we look no different in the cups as we do in the league!!.
    I will always support the lads, but would like to see some sparkle with the team performances.

  • 100 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    in other senarios take out harte,kompany, toure,tevez or agruero out of man city or for most of the season do you think they would still play beautiful football (in my oppinion they haven’t for the last season anyways!) but i don’t think they would be in the position there in.

  • 101 archaeomag // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    I think Catchy lives under a bridge . . .

  • 102 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    Raylor,Gosling,Ober,Vuckic and shola all back up,Hba,Simpson,Cisse, very short term tiote,colo short term and bans due to indiscipline.Or they are feigning injury because of the boring tactics lol i know i would

  • 103 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    That Pitch was bloddy awful tonight too.

  • 104 Special K // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 PM


    Taken off Wikipedia, albeit not the most reliable source but all the same

    ” In the draw for the round of 32, the twelve group winners and the four third-placed teams from the Champions League group stage with the better group records will be seeded, and the twelve group runners-up and the other four third-placed teams from the Champions League group stage will be unseeded. The seeded teams will be drawn against the unseeded teams, with the seeded teams hosting the second leg. Teams from the same group or the same association cannot be drawn against each other. In the draws for the round of 16 onwards, there will be no seedings, and teams from the same group or the same association can be drawn with each other.”

  • 105 Toonfreak87 // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    I’m just glad there was nothing riding on the result. Hope the you guys realise they won’t get many more chances. Even Pardew admitted he expected more.

  • 106 hotdog // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    Belfast – it was shocking but they managed to knock it around well I thought.

  • 107 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    yeah they can only bring in Milner,Sinclair,Dzeko,Rodwell,Barry,Balotelli Kolo Toure any of them would walk into our side could you see Ameobi,Ferguson,Williamson,Guti,Oberton walking into theirs.They couldn`t even get in southamptons lol

  • 108 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    that’s it boys. lets wreck the place.
    and to anybody expecting signings in January there’s no way that’s gonna happen

  • 109 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    daztoon facckin hell you don’t get the point at all do ya!? all them “back up” players would replace the injured ones why do you think them players were played more often last season? because they were in the fore front of pardews plans this season! it doesn’t matter if its short term or not a nice settled team plays alot better than a team thats been chopped and changed!

  • 110 Novocastrian66 // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    Of subject, but Euro 2020 will be played across the continent. Can anyone explain to me the benefit of this? Platini reckons it will reduce travelling costs for fans. Not sure how. If you wanted to follow the tournament it must be cheaper / easier to base yourself in the host country and travel around that than having to haul yourself around Europe?

  • 111 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    @Daz obertan would sprint into their team. but his brain would still be on our training pitch

  • 112 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    @novo only cheaper if you only want to watch the match(es) closest to you. don’t get platinis logic

  • 113 willowdalerez // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    Wish I could have seen the game to see our younger players. The result doesn’t surprise me given who we played but sounds like only Ranger impressed. Anyone see the game? If so anyone but Ranger show promise?

  • 114 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    well lets spend a billion then daztoon what are you seriously expecting? us to win the league?
    i guarentee you they wouldn’t be as good a team if they had injuries in the key area’s as we have all season and do you think they play great football when they do have a full team out?

  • 115 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    There probably used to it hotdog. I watched them against Marseille the other week & it was terrible then too.

  • 116 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    Its the same for every club but they have players competing for a starting spot we don`t ours are just back ups.We knew we were gonna be playing more games so why hasn`t the manager made sure he has a squad to handle that.

  • 117 Ian Toon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:49 PM

    Rotonda- we started with 4-2-3-1 and matched them second half with 4-4-2 . I would be interested in your observations when you have the time.
    Transfer Sage- catch up with you later on Jonas pointers you raised earlier today. A taster. Jonas is clipping rather than kicking through the ball. He could well be on anti inflammatory medications for an adductor muscle strain. Our medical / physio’s recommended rest for Cabaye’s pre season similar problem.

  • 118 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    lol nova plattini and sensible will NEVER be in the same sentance!

  • 119 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    never said they play great football or that we have to spend a billion 20 million would have got what we needed.I`ve heard for a few years about all the good youngsters weve had but where are they.Only Stevie Taylor and Carroll have come through in years.Vuckic has been here a few years and is no better and is always injured.

  • 120 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    @@116 you’ve just proven your own point wrong lol

  • 121 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    Big Willo was fast for the second goal like lol You’d think he was pulling an oil tanker with his ankles.

  • 122 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    @Pardews Perfect Battleplan
    Lol like it

  • 123 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    so thats pardews fault then?
    we all know we didn’t get the players needed in the summer and you could tell pardew was angry but we’ve got what we’ve got and we,ve tried to deal with it the best we could but we’ve got injuries where are replacement players from last year have injuries!
    all in all we’ve had a very very tough start to the season through lack of options and people not realising that very simple reason for this start and saying PARDEW OUT!!! pisses me off.

  • 124 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:00 PM

    @Daz i aim to remove scowls and frowns

  • 125 catchy in norway // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:01 PM

    Yo Belfast

    I’m not having a melt down, lmao . I sitting watching 2012, who would have thought that prediction was about Newcastle

    Not all of Norway is dark, I live near stavanger , but it was very cold the last 2 mornings -23


    Players love continuity , not many of ours get to play in the same position 2 games in a row ,
    Players like marv , must get pissed , he must know he is getting dropped

    Good night all

  • 126 archaeomag // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:05 PM

    Sure is cold under that bridge . .

  • 127 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    Pardew is the manager is he not if he had some balls he would have the squad he wanted.yes build for the future but we needed players for now.we have needed a left back and centre back before last season.I`m a carpenter and i make sure i have the right tools for the job otherwise it makes the job harder or takes longer.I wouldn`t tell the customer oh sorry i had my back up hammer thats why its a poor job lol

  • 128 ToonDownSouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    Special K

    I guess you’re right then, apologies. I read the other day that it’s unseeded, but I guess I must have misread it.

  • 129 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    I just seen the CAPS Catchy and thought you’d went mental.

  • 130 ToonDownSouth // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:09 PM


    That argument makes no sense. In your scenario, every manager in the league would have the perfect squad to work with!

    He is an employee of Mike Ashleys. ‘Having balls’ doesn’t stop him getting fired if he steps out of line!

    Harry Redknapp made some demands of Levy, and look where that got him!

  • 131 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:13 PM

    daztoon if you had a boss as tight as ashley and a foreman as bent and dodgy as lamearse would you expect to have a job the next day if you demanded a top of the range expensive “hammer” lol?

  • 132 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:15 PM

    well if he aint got the balls don`t take on the job at least Redknapp has some and stood up for himself.

  • 133 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    @tds but arry is in his perfect job. a club that will spend whatever he wants for the squad he wants.
    he’ll then leave them to rot if it goes tits up. ask southampton and pompey

  • 134 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    I wouldn`t be so foolish to work for them in the first place i aint a cowboy like pardew lol

  • 135 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    lol ppb problem with that is it reminds me of a certain manager we had!

  • 136 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:19 PM

    so if we sacked pardew daztoon who’d you want?

  • 137 fray bentos // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    Just got in from my work travels, not seen game, no idea how we played

    So what happened?

    How did Abeid play?

  • 138 Ian Toon // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    daztoon- Pardew can hardly finance the signings
    he wants himself!

  • 139 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    @manx yeah keegan wasted £15m on shearer . what a dick

  • 140 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    I`d give Martinez a go he would get us playing some football with the talent we have and can work on a limited budget.Other than that i don`t think anyone else would want the job

  • 141 fray bentos // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    Just got in from my work travels, not seen game, no idea how we played

    So what happened?

    How did Abeid play?

  • 142 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    @ Fray

    You don’t wanna know m8

  • 143 fray bentos // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    I don’t even think Martinez would take the job if we sacked Pardew now, anyways lets not talk about potential new managers, were not in massive danger and it just aint happening

  • 144 BandB // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    As Jail mentioned, we now have good while to sort out the league position, and the Europe thing goes out of the equation. I didn’t see any harm in giving players who need first team experiences a run-out tonight. There was nothing much to learn either way from the game, apart from perhaps that we don’t have the fabled production line of ready made replacements some have trumpeted. I’ve sometimes watched Jonas through my fingers this year, because I think he’s in decline. With everyone fit (and not sold), a better midfield would be a three with Tiote holding and Anita and Cabaye free to get between the lines. Both our main strikers are happier with a through ball than back to goal. That is predicated on bringing in a full back and a centre half to allow us to play that way. For now (bites lip) I’d go with Jonas rather than Marveaux. I’d be interested to know what it is those who’ve already written off Anita think they see in Marveaux that warrants his unsung hero status?

  • 145 fray bentos // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:29 PM


    Great thanks for the insightful review

    Anybody else?

  • 146 daztoon // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    Well Ian he shouldn`t keep talking about he expects at least 3 first team players to come in and i hate the fact he`s always talking about losing a top player.He can talk alot but never delivers

  • 147 fray bentos // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    @Ian toon

    Can you shed some light on the game?

    How was the mercurial legend that is Abeid?

  • 148 NUFC_LEAZES END // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    List of teams we could possibly face next round of the europa league:

    Hannover 96
    Mentalist Kharkiv
    Rubin Kazan
    Steaua Bucharest
    Victoria Plzen
    Dynamo Kiev
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Bate Borisov
    CFR Cluj

    There defintly some teams in there that I wouldn’t want us to be drawn against :/

  • 149 NUFC_LEAZES END // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    Genk* (stupid auto correct)

  • 150 Ian Toon // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:38 PM

    Fray- didn’t feature too much. He looks as if he can
    do a lot more. Strong chance of having a future.
    We were poor so it was hard to impress.
    He should go out on loan and play more often
    at a higher level. Ranger lacks match sharpness
    but tried without much support. Byee

  • 151 LeedsMag // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:39 PM

    Feel sorry for the young lads – its a mistake pitching them all in together and expecting a performance against a decent , settled team.The knee jerk reaction is to start slagging them off as not good enough,how does that help confidence.Truth is, young players should be introduced slowly, surrounded by experienced players but we just dont seem to have a plan for bringing them through.
    Why do we get excited about young talent in the summer when there is never a chance that they will feature in first team plans

  • 152 AMEOBI // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Abeid along with both Shola and Sammy did very poor our best player was probably Bigirimana

  • 153 BandB // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    None of the kids did too badly. Abeid and Ranger, understandably, lacked match sharpness. Both are strong lads, but they couldn’t be expected to carry the fight any better than they did. Bigi took more responsibility than some of the older players. They were the ones who really failed to press a claim.

  • 154 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    leedsmag i don’t understand what your trying to say to be honest you say its a mistake to play the youngsters all together then say they never get a chance?

  • 155 wynsleap // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    Tonight was a brilliant chance for some lesser lights to show what they could do and why they should be fighting for a first team place.
    They didn’t do it – why?
    Simply because they are not good enough and for no other reason.
    So much for Ashley’s much vaunted youth system. Only Bigi looks capable of making a breakthrough. The rest are about League 1 standard – at best.
    If Ashley has no intention of buying real class* for this club we are heading downhill fast.
    * please don’t quote me Luque, Owen etc – that argument is past its sell by date.

  • 156 Ian Toon // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    Our best player was Elliot.

  • 157 jimmysmith // Dec 6, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    This 5 year plan bollocks is starting to torment and infuriate me.

    The gulf between reserve team football and the Premier League is the greatest gap in football. So few players can transition, it’s hardly worth taking into consideration. Add that to our almost insulting wage and transfer policy and it all points to the worlds cheapest billionaire football owner.

    Cue Ian Toon to dust off his Economics 101 guide book yet again.

  • 158 Transfer Sage // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:06 PM

    Tonight wasn’t an issue for me. Keep the players fresh for Fulham, don’t want to risk injuries for a important league game.

    The problem we have with youngsters and fringe players is that they all seem to get a chance at once. There is little planning to integrate them slowly. Obviously they need experience and quality around them to help them adapt.

    We do it a little in the league by bringing fergie in very now and then but In europa too many start. I appreciate we have a small squad of top level players so isn’t hard for pardew.

    What annoyed me about tonight was we went back to a horrible static 442 with little width. If we insist on 442 for the love of god by genuine wingers.

    Our squad is more technical and players who play it through the middle.

    As I have said before, pardew gets til the end of the season for me. If he doesn’t use a system that best utilises the ability of this squad then we need to look for somebody who can.

    If you have an owner who doesn’t sign many players you need to make sure you can get the best out of what you have. Pardew hasn’t shown that for me yet, but he has all season to figure it out.

    PS….we battered Wigan. They had no clear cut chances and we have 4/5. We were poor in the second half as we went defensive and 442 but I kind of understand pardew doing that as he wanted to make sure we didn’t concede after losing 4 on the bounce.

  • 159 Ian Toon // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:06 PM

    jimmy- it’s not that long ago that I studied
    economics. It’s more Business Studies-LOL
    I would refer you to my previous answers-
    LOL. You can’t draw too much from tonight.
    The PL is our priority and you’ll see a
    performance on Monday. Happy to respond.

  • 160 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    jesus so sammi fergie, tav, ranger and abeid are all shit because for the first time playing together in the first team against a good european team we lost!!
    i’m wondering if other teams have the same fans as we do? i.e slating every player they possibly can it really baffles?boils the piss out of me!
    willo has played more games than taylor and we came 5th last season with him in the team for 2 thirds of it but he’s still called a “championship” defender and slagged of to high heaven!

  • 161 Transfer Sage // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:09 PM


    I think Leeds means that if you give youngster a go give then a real chance. What chance do thy have when 7/8 come in at once. You need to introduce them 1/2 at a time so that they can learn from the first team and almost be carried on the aide until they find their feet.

    All of them at once have no experience players to turn to.

  • 162 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    btw man u lost twice in the champions league playin there youth players (fc cluj!! who are they!!?) sack fergie i say

  • 163 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    We have to play the youngsters, because there’s knowbody else. Nothing will change on that front, unless there’s a major influx of new players, and that aint gonna happen.

  • 164 Transfer Sage // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:17 PM


    Look at spurs tonight

    Played their first team..not just fringe first team players but actually most of the main players.

    I’m not saying we should play all 11 but maybe 6 or so first team players so the youngsters involved have a chance otherwise they just get battered by experienced players.

  • 165 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    yeah but i’ll refer to my earlier statement do you not think that raylor gosling vuckic ober would have been used if thyey were fit tonight thats my point against all the posters that blame pardew for the very VERY obvious squad limitations we’ve got
    what would your team have been tonight if you were wanting to rest the bigger players for monday?

  • 166 Transfer Sage // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:18 PM


    Your right about fergie playing the kids…if man utds kids can’t win why should we expect ours too.

    I just think too many people on here are happy to right players off after one bad performance.

    8/9 kids in the team at once is always going to struggle no matter what team you are.

  • 167 BelfastMagpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:21 PM

    Think Bigi,Fergie (as a winger ) and Ranger if he stays out of trouble are the only young guns that have a real chance of making it.

    Sammy,Vuckic and the rest are overated,in my opinion.

  • 168 Transfer Sage // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:24 PM


    I would have started the same back 4…can’t risk colo or santon (if he’s even fit)

    I would have had bigi, marv, Anita in midfield

    The gone with a front three off cisse, shola and Jonas

    I think the extra experienced players would have helped.

    We have 4 days til Fulham so rest should be ok, it’s the Sunday games which cause problems.

    I appreciate Pardews hand is forced with injuries to fringe players with experience like raylor, obertan, etc.

    I know a lot of fans were unhappy Ben arfa got injured in the last Europa game but I’m glad he played. You need to try and keep the same team for Europe as it helps the cohesion for the Sunday games. Too much chopping and changing causes problems.

  • 169 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    you could also say that the likes of fergie, sammi, and bigi could/should be loaned out to lower prem or top championship teams but where not in a position to do so again because of the injuries that daztoon believes we don’t have!

  • 170 Ian Toon // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    Wynsleap- I think your too dismissive of our young players ability. Their development will be gradual and this was part of a learning process. The team had largely never played as a unit and given that we had already qualified it was hardly an acid test. It proved that Elliot is ready to be our number 2 goalkeeper. That Abeid has talent but needs to play regular competitive football. He has all the attributes to become a proper player.

  • 171 Transfer Sage // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    I will say this.

    3 English sides are in Europa league.

    Us, Liverpool and spurs.

    Spurs are the only one who played the same team apart from 1 or 2 on both league and euorope.

    They are flying in the league. Obviously have a better overall squad which helps but they also seem to be more of a teams and understand each other better. We have really slipped and I think the interruption to team selection is the main problem

  • 172 Transfer Sage // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:29 PM


    Definitely some need a loan but until Ashley fills the squad we can’t so it as you say.

    I think this seasons failings so far can be attributes to everyone from Ashley to the players to everyone on between.

    Didnt strengthen, poor tactics at times, poor effort from some key players, injuries, that idiot llambias being unable to negotiate (he couldn’t sell oxygen to a man stuck on the moon)

  • 173 smithy434 // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:32 PM

    Got a Junior ticket for home game against Man City next week for sale on Viagogo for £20 cheapest on there by far in the South East Corner (Strawberry Corner). Great seats if you love the atmosphere.

  • 174 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:35 PM

    well transfer as a manager wit your team imagine just in case especially with our luck marv and jonas got injured?
    you’d be crucified as you mentioned arfa’s first game = injured i’m sure that was in pardews mind for the selection tonight
    we really are in a shit or bust situation reguarding injuries at the mo and that ain’t pardews fault he surley has too be cautious with the run of games coming up.
    thank god in a way that the europa is up till feb lol

  • 175 manxpie // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

    plus transfer spurs have been ABLE to pick there first team players we ain’t our choppin n changing has been forced more than needed

  • 176 Ian Toon // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM

    Elliot 8
    Tavernier 6
    Williamson 5 ( Colo 6)
    Perch 6
    Ferguson 5
    Abeid 6
    Bigi 6
    Ranger 6
    Marve 6
    Sammy Ameobi 5 ( Anita 6)
    Shola 5 ( Cisse )

  • 177 Puppet Pardew // Dec 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM


    I think you’ll find there are 4 English teams in Europa – Chelsea being the other.

    PP (master strategist & forward planner par excellence)

  • 178 Jail for Ashley // Dec 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM

    How would you suggest that our chopping and changing has been forced more than needed, would making eight changes to a Europa game as to a Premiership game be necessarily forced, although playing Santon at LB in almost every game is most certainly forced as outstanding left back RTaylor was horribly injured with time left to replace him.

  • 179 Mister Tuff // Dec 7, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    It appears (note it appears) that Parsnip has thrown down the gauntlet to the board for new players in January. The relevant quote in the press is:-
    “I am just hoping that, fingers-crossed, when we come out of the other side of the window, we have got a stronger squad.”
    I assume he means new players as opposed to getting unfit players back.
    Whilst Parsnip sometimes talks in riddles/gobledeegook -I see this statement as him going public that we need new players. He immediately puts the onus on Ashley and Dastardly to get new players in.
    I’ve always thought we will be buying at least three with the potential of a surprise higher quality purchase. So Ashely and Dastardly need to be busy from January 1st and not the end of January. A promising statement from Parsnip.

  • 180 jimmysmith // Dec 7, 2012 at 12:29 AM

    Pards also referred to some players struggling to cope with the weight of the jersey. I’m assuming he’s specifically referring to Willo there. How else can you explain a Premier League centre backs apparent inability to get off the ground while contesting headers.

  • 181 Jail for Ashley // Dec 7, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    Mister tuff ,
    If that’s a recent statement that’s treble speak for’ i hope nobody is sold,i hope TAylor and Cabs are back and maybe just maybe we might spend a few quid ‘

  • 182 Mister Tuff // Dec 7, 2012 at 12:49 AM

    jail @181.
    I think they have learnt the errors of their ways post the “great summer no buy gamble”. How we fair up to January will, I believe define how many new players we get in – plus the EL team is going to look more like the PL first team which will put additional strain on the squad. They should know now that Saylor is injury prone – and should mitigate for this to reduce the obvious risks.
    I am slightly more encouraged that we will do better after the window as I think we are going to struggle to get a good points haul over the next few games.

  • 183 josh // Dec 7, 2012 at 12:59 AM

    Am I the only one who doesn’t care about this result seeings as were already through and pardew made the right call putting out the kids? Defeat or no defeat they tasted it and its valuable experience for what they are. The future.

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