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Decent Newcastle Display But Yet Another Worrying Defeat

10:19 pm, Monday, December 10th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 248 Comments

This was Fulham’s first win in eight games tonight, and it takes the Cottagers three points above a severely slumping Newcastle side in the league table, and this is now the fifth defeat in six league games for Newcastle and we have only 4 point from the last 21 played for.

Newcastle were outplayed in the first 30 minutes of this game as Fulham came storming out of the blocks, and sure enough they were ahead after just 19 minutes.

Former Newcastle winger Damien Duff got the ball on the right wing and passed it quickly to an unmarked Steve Sidwell, who hit the ball well, and it was going in, but it rebounded off Mike Williamson and hit the underside of the bar and went in.

And Fulham had been the better side and deserved to take the lead, and they could have added to their lead almost immediately a minute or so later when Berbatov was clean through but Krul made a brilliant block.

Newcastle were playing 4-3-3 but Fulham were dominating the midfield, and after 30 minutes Alan Pardew switched to 4-4-2 and Newcastle came back into the game and started attacking the home side.

After 32 minutes an excellent corner from Anita was headed like a bullet towards the goal by Coloccini, but right back Riether headed the ball off the line – a tremendous effort by the Newcastle captain.

On 39 minutes good play between Berbatov and Sidwell set up Riise with a chance on the corner of the penalty area, but the former Liverpool and Roma full-back hit the ball well over the bar.

But it was still 1-0 at the break – and it could have been a lot worse for Newcastle.

And Newcastle started the second half with much more energy than we had started this game, and on 54 minutes a goal out of nothing from Hatem Ben Arfa put Newcastle level.

The Frenchman got the ball just outside the penalty area to the right and hit a beautiful left foot shot that went in off the cross-bar – another great opportunist goal from Ben Arfa.

But then Damien Duff had his second assist of the night, as the Irish winger sent in a beautiful free-kick from the right and Rodallega was able to head home past Krul, and how come he was unmarked six yards from goal.

Another goal conceded from a set-play by Newcastle and that will not please the manager.

And then Newcastle pushed hard to get back into the game and after 72 minutes Coloccini hit the post before Shola Ameobi, Demba Ba and Jonas Gutierrez all had shots that tested Australian goalkeeper Mark Schwarzer.

But Fulham held out for their first win in eight games, and Newcastle still haven’t won away from home this season after eight games on the road where we have only picked up a measly 4 points – and the lads are only a shadow of the side we were last season.

These are games we should be taking points out of, as we actually will be meeting some of the good teams coming up – like Manchester City at home on Saturday.

It was another terrible result, but a decent display from the lads, and if there were any doubts about bringing players in during january – we had better bring at least three or four good players to strengthen this squad – otherwise we could be in another relegation scrap.

That’s the unlikely truth after our seventh defeat in 16 league games.

Teams:

Fulham (4-4-2): Mark Schwarzer; Sascha Riether, Brede Hangeland (c), Aaron Hughes, John Arne Riise; Damien Duff, Steve Sidwell, Chris Baird, Alex Kacaniklic (askhan Dejagah 62); Dimitar Berbatov, Hugo Rodallega (Mladen Petric 86)
Subs not used: Neil Etheridge, Philippe Senderos, Giorgos Karagounis, Mahamadou Diarra, Kieran Richardson

Newcastle United: (4-2-3-1): Tim Krul; Danny Simpson, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Davide Santon; Cheick Tiote (Gael Bigirimana 86), Vurnon Anita (Sylvain Marveaux 86); Papiss Cisse, Hatem Ben Arfa (Shola Ameobi 70), Jonas Gutierrez; Demba Ba
Substitutes: Steve Harper, James Tavernier, Shane Ferguson, James Perch

Referee: Lee Mason
Attendance: 25,270



Tags: Match Reports · Newcastle News · Premier League



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248 responses so far ↓

  • 1 TimKrulFan // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    If Krul,HBA,Ba leave I will stop watching newcastle there will be no point best squad we have had in years and are great manager cant do sh*t with it.

  • 2 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:23 PM

    pardew went wrong with his starting line up

    jonas, cisse or ba should not have been starting

    HBA shold be with 1 ov BA or CISSE

    marv should have started

    im embarresed to think he shut out the training sessions for that,,

    it was the same as every other game, we have played

  • 3 HBA Blood Twister // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    TKF. That’s fine mate. I will love the club til I die, whether in the CL or the Blue Square.

  • 4 swemag // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    It is official and it is starting to sink in.

    It hurts.

  • 5 matthewjai // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    we should have played 451 rather than 433 ffs

    Cisse and Ba cannot start together, let alone Shola + Ba + Cisse in a front 3

    we need midfielder to pass and create

  • 6 Nufc-83 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    * HBA Blood TwisterDec 10 – 10:18 PM
    Nufc-83
    Do you remember the score last yr at the Cottage and our dismal second half display?
    Or did you just start supporting us because we finished 5th?

    I would accept that comment if we where picking up points elsewhere but we are not its that simple
    *

  • 7 Marty-Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    Any team lacking goals will cherish coming up against us as we will give them loads of opportunities the way were playing.

  • 8 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    we need gary nevil

    we need ole guner solksjær

    them 2 would have us at the right end of the table

  • 9 ToonDownSouth // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Someone just posted this on some forums I go on –

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9yOZwqCIAEBks-.png:large

    Painful viewing haha, especially when you notice that some of the “successful crosses” are ones that have gone out to the other wing!

  • 10 Dannyo // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    @swemag
    It hurts like hell.

  • 11 AsprillaCartWheels // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    The pain of watching Newcastle struggle through the season. I won’t be surprise if we’re in a relegation fight, if we keep up this form. The frustration on the back of a “succesful” season is overwhelming.

  • 12 HBA Blood Twister // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Jesus. Grow some nuts people. We played with pride and lost narrowly against a team renowned for their good home form.

    I’d recommend supporting Barca if you’re to pathetic to be able to handle losing.

  • 13 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    WILLIAMSON………makes Boumsong and Bramble look good. Tiote……garbage. Jonas…..least said the better. HBA, absolute class, tell you what, lets take him off. AP is a fruit cake, is he deliberately trying to lose??

  • 14 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    So then how long are we going to give Pardew to turn this ship around then ?. Do it to early and we could cause more harm than good however to late and Championship here we come. I say give him till February so he can bring in a couple of players and sure up our defence

  • 15 NUFC FOR SALE // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    Jonas is finished.

    We got rid of Nolan and Barton because they were apparently picking themselves…..well this is exactly what is happening now with Jonas.

    How on earth can any manager watching that tonight take Ben Arfa or Tiote off and leave Jonas on??????

    He needs to drop him for Marvaeux asap as Jonas brings nothing to this team what so ever anymore.

    Secondly Williamson is a liability. You can’t afford to have a League 1/ Championship centre half in the Premier League.

  • 16 VanToonMan // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    Guys I agree that Jonas should NO WAY be starting…Marveaux has to start and we have to go back to a 4-3-3 with Ba on the left in my opinion and Cisse up top…..BUT…..as much as he was amazing last season and is our captain….is nobody realising how bad Colo is playing this season?!….Last season our Defence was shit but Colo was awesome so he kept it up to a decent level….this season he has been bad so we are totally rubbish in defence….So many mistakes from Colo….for me the most unforgiveable one was against Stoke…when he just let Jerome speed past him to score the winner with no effort to stick with him….unforgiveable.

    Jonas needs to be dropped. Colo needs to raise his game QUICK time. We need a top class RB and LW with Cisse and Ba alternating up top in a 4-3-3. I am so mad right now it’s ridiculous. We’re 14th?!

  • 17 toonking // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    HBA Blood Twister
    newcastle are a team which is normally renowned for there home form yet we loose to swansea and west ham drew against villa

  • 18 HBA Blood Twister // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    Nufc-83

    Just accept the point anyway because we are in the knockouts of the Europa and have had a shitload of injuries. Be patient my friend.

  • 19 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:31 PM

    Blood Twister

    I agree, we performed admirably, poor individual mistakes cost us but collectively we played well at times and with grit and effort.

    Had we kept the possession better and defended better we would have won that game.

  • 20 BelfastMagpie // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:31 PM

    I dont think I can take much more of mike willamson lol He’s up there with Bramble for me.

    Watching him through my fingers usually.

  • 21 Eddie // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    Can’t handle losing? Sound’s like someone can’t handle a bit of ambition.

  • 22 Beattie25 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    Frank De Boer
    Laurent Blanc
    Roberto Di Matteo
    Roberto Martinez
    Paulo Di Canio
    Ole Gunnar Solksjaer
    Ralf Ragnick
    Martin Jol
    Marcelo Bielsa
    Rudi Garcia
    Remi Garde
    Alain Casanova
    Lucien Favre
    Sami Hyypiä
    Gerrit Jan Alfons Verbeek
    Ronald Koeman
    Marco van Basten
    José Vítor dos Santos Peseiro
    John van den Brom

  • 23 HBA Blood Twister // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    toonking

    Some of those performances whilst with injuries were poor. This one wasn’t.

  • 24 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    I’m starting to wonder that Pardew is hoping to get sacked. He doesn’t look happy. Bringing Bigirimana on instead of Abeid is a joke. He scored a good goal last week, but he overall contribution doesn’t warrant a first team place.

    Bring in Debuchy. Sissokho, Aldererewield and Remy in January.

  • 25 nick_9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    Ruddy, the link up play has been shocking. It looked better against Wigans ten men but was still lackluster. I dont believe the link up play is down to one player. We only have Anitas, Ben Arfa, Santon and Ba who come for the ball. The rest are happy to hide in the shadows and do nothing. Even with our strongest eleven out they look lackluster. Pardew really needs to get the lads working on their passing, movement and support play. We have lost the solid defense of last season and have less wonder goals. Our recent points per game form is worrying, 5 defeats from 6 with last seasons top three to play next

  • 26 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    Crap first twenty minutes could of been/should of been 3-0 down, defence had no cover, all over the place.
    Rest of first half and most of the second half we were the best team. First twenty minutes of second half best football we’ve played all season – passed and moved at pace.
    Anita, Ben Arfa and Krul best players by a mile.

    Tiote was total sh**e. How many times did he get caught in possession or passed to the opposition.
    Jonas wasn’t much better why oh why did we not start with Marvo our best player last week.
    Did not understand substitutions

  • 27 HBA Blood Twister // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    Oh and did anyone notice the noise that our great away support was making – and Fulhams great support.

    How about we make some noise at our ground? Maybe we will pick up more points by encouraging the team rather than whinging when we hit a long ball or misplacing a pass.

  • 28 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    Pardew has lost the f…kin plot. Taking him off for Ameobi…OOOMMMMGGGG.

  • 29 NUFC FOR SALE // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    Have to say Anita was our best player tonight. His passing is superb.

    Tiote has lost the plot, his passing and dwelling on the ball was nothing short of comical tonight.

    Simpson still one of our most consistent performers and has been for the last 18 months.

    Fulham are a poor team and in the first half we made them look like Brazil.

    I don’t know what Pardew and his team are training these guys???

    No point in talking about Pardew for the chop, no manager is going to do any better with the Fat Controller in charge.

  • 30 toonicle // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Drop Jonas for Marv, even just for 1 game to see the difference Pards… It’ll do a world of good.

  • 31 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Bramble’s miles ahead of Williamson. At least he can run with the ball and take players on. Williamson has no pace whatsoever. Bramble was also more threatening from corners and a better all round ball player.

  • 32 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    @19
    LOL and if we had scored more than them we would have won too

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    For all I didn’t want jonas in the side today he did do quite well in a central role. Not fantastic but did alright.

    With us trying 433, 4231, 442 I believe the biggest problem we have is linking the 3 sections of the team.

    We seen to struggle to link defence to midfield and midfield to attack.

    In the wigan game anita, tiote and marvoux dropped very deep to collect the ball off the back 4 and link the play. Today that didn’t happen as much.

    Removing HBA for shola was pathetic.

    we had 3 dm’s and 3 strikers…..no point in having 3 strikers who are not creative on the pitch if you have no creative players behind them

    once hba went off santon was out main creative threat which is embarassing as more should come from midfield

  • 34 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Frank De Boer
    Laurent Blanc
    Roberto Di Matteo
    Roberto Martinez
    Paulo Di Canio
    Ole Gunnar Solksjaer
    Ralf Ragnick
    Martin Jol
    Marcelo Bielsa
    Rudi Garcia
    Remi Garde
    Alain Casanova
    Lucien Favre
    Sami Hyypiä
    Gerrit Jan Alfons Verbeek
    Ronald Koeman
    Marco van Basten
    José Vítor dos Santos Peseiro
    John van den Brom

    all great shouts

  • 35 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Bit worrying when you play well and get nothing like!!

  • 36 toonking // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    HBA Blood Twister
    so then we have not got a top team at all then and are a relegation team because actually most games have had no more than two out injured at the moment only cabaye and talor are missing.

  • 37 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    Nick9

    I am not solely blaming Ba, Cisse has responsibility too, every player on the pitch has responsibility. Do I think Cisse, Anita, Ben Arfa etc will do something about it, or at the very least try? Yes I do.

    Do I think Ba will want to do something about it? No. It is all about himself. There is only one way to move this team forward, and that is to sell Ba.

  • 38 NUFC FOR SALE // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    why didn’t we bring Bassong back to newcastle????

    sorry but this Carr scouting network we keep bleating on about is not as good as you all think it is.

  • 39 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    Ruddy
    “Cisse has to make do with playing RW and is doing his best but we will not see the best from Cisse until Ba is either sold or played LW, he has shown that he doesn’t want to play LW which only leaves one alternative. I want to see a NUFC team where Ba and Cisse can work together but they can’t so we need to choose one or the other and I choose Cisse.”
    All of that can be applied to ba i think its harsh calling him selfish for wanting to play as a striker which is what he is, and a good one at that
    He also constantly drops deep to look for the ball and has been linking up with the midfield very well
    For me cisse isnt doing enough to bring himself into the game he’s waiting for others to do it and for me thats plain lazy
    Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree but i have to agree with everything nick9 has said about it

  • 40 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    blood twister

    all fans at all clubs moan and groan when things aren’t going well…its natural….if clubs charge fans £20+ for a ticket you want to see some reasonable football

  • 41 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    Toon1978

    did we play that good ??

    they had by far the better chances

  • 42 Dannyo // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    Say we keep playing like this lad.
    Which is well in patches and should perhaps have won one or two more based on performances.
    Will we be winning the “should haves” if we added a CB, an FB and a striker?
    Will it be enough?
    Disregarding whatever you think of AP.

  • 43 Tsunki // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    Talking about Jonas as if he cost us the game – he was actually right in there and a big part of our 2nd half performance which was largely good. This anti-Jonas bandwagon is ill-informed tripe and i cant believe how many are actually buying into it. I think the game was an improvement against wigan and its more good than bad. There’s some real panickers on here tonight, ‘championship here we come’ ‘I will stop supporting this team if we sell xxxx or yyyy’ who are these people? What a joke.

  • 44 Novocastrian66 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:38 PM

    Rotonda Heights
    Dec 10 – 10:21 P

    Catchy In Norway
    Dec 10 – 10:19 PM
    We haven’t strengthened on last season and have played something like 10 more games.
    I’m not sure Pardew is to blame for this.
    If we had a net spend of £15m to £20m and under performing fair enough, have a go.
    Our bench tonight was rubbish and the team is picking itself, the only thing changing is the formation not the players.
    If someone is struggling for form, who do we bring in? The players are trying to find their form out on the pitch.
    The best way to shake someone out of lethargy is to drop them.
    Pardew has no choice but to play players out of form.

  • 45 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:38 PM

    Is this the same Jonas that fell down on numrous occasions and gave the ball away time and time again?????

  • 46 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:38 PM

    Tsunki@43
    Well put mate jonas is bieng made a scape goat, undeservedly so

  • 47 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:39 PM

    nufc for sale

    Carr is a great scout….tiote, cabaye, cisse, ben arfa,

    plus the ones we never got…debuchy, de jong, etc

    the problem is Carr can only be in so many places at once to scout thoroughly…..he obviously needs a few more scouts to work around him as well as having the board actually sign the players he recommends

  • 48 Tsunki // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:39 PM

    Dannyo – the situation at the back is well documented. It is a poor back line. The lack of confidence in it resonates throughout the whole team, unfortunately. It needs fixing in Jan

  • 49 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:39 PM

    Daztoon

    Think you’re missing the point. I am saying that we lost the game, not because of tactics, but because of mistakes. That would indicate that we set up the team in the correct way but that blunders cost us.

    Had we passed the ball better we would have kept momentum up and put them under pressure, as it was we were the team under pressure because of giving the ball away. Had Colo not been done for the first goal, and had he kept up with his man for the second goal I don’t see where Fulham would have broke us down.

    Not as simplistic as “had we scored more goals we would have won”.

  • 50 Papiss9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    If you can’t see that Jonas is tired and is clearly struggling with the pace of the game, then put on your glasses. Good night!

  • 51 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    sack him before its to late

    end of jan will be to late

    we have hard games coming up, we will lose them regardless, but a new guy can start working on changing the way play, so by jan comes, and we get defenders in, we can start mpving back up the table

  • 52 HBA Blood Twister // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    Transfer Sage.

    We beat Wigan 3-0 and the atmosphere was pathetic. Fewer fans at Fulham’s ground but it was rocking start to finish.

    This was our support as well as theirs btw. But not at SJP? Gotta do something about it.

  • 53 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    Jonas offers no width,no pace and nothing in front of goal. Just my opinion…sorry!!

  • 54 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    Bassong is way ahead of Williamson and would’ve been a good signing on loan. Boumsong would be a decent emergency signing.

  • 55 Ginger // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Our performances are getting better… Points will come with that.

  • 56 nufcburty // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Seriously, how are some of you’s defending Coloccini? At fault for both the goals, had a stinker! It appears some of you fans are that deluded you’re scared to admit when someone has a bad game. Defensively Colo was shocking, attacking, unlucky not to bag two goals, however this isn’t his position of expertise, therefore for me, he had a poor game.

  • 57 rivettCatcher // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Best display in ages. If we play like that every game moving fwd, we’ll finish top half.

    Simpson did well, Anita is growing into this league, Gutty was garbage first half but good in the last 30 minutes, Cisse still misfiring, HBA was rusty 1st half but alot improved throughout the game, Ba was good, Santon getting better & could be world class in years to come, Williamson (hmmmm), Krul great 1 on 1, Tiote had a great battle with Sidwell all game.

    Lots of positives. Would have won that game 6 times out of 10. Hit the bar, out shooted them, passed the ball well & controlled most of the game.

    Hope it turns around soon. We have a good first 8/9 players, poor squad & desperately need CENTRE BACKS, another striker & another attacking midfield/winger option.

    Good to see Marveux coming on a bit. Need more squad players doing that.

    HWTL!!!

  • 58 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Catchy

    We had by far the better of the chances in the second half. What game were you watching? Other than their goal they created nothing, aside from a speculative Petric effort and Berba hitting the side netting.

  • 59 Graeme // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    Why, Oh WHY, do we have to play Ba AND Cisse?? They are completely useless together and the quicker Pardew accepts that, the better we will be.

    Play Toite (although very poor tonight) with Anita.
    Play Cabaye (when back) or Marveaux in front of them
    Play HBA and Obertan outside them
    Play EITHER Ba or Cisse up top. One OR the other.

    We are simply not playing to our strengths and that is 100% down to the manager.

    I accept HBA going off, it was his first game back. But to replace him with Bambi was completely crass; a totally wrong selection, once again, down to the manager. We lost 100% of our little bit of creativity, when Marveaux or Obertan would have offered far more.

  • 60 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    Tsunki

    I get sick of seeing people only pick out bad points of some players. Jonas had an average game…wasted the ball at times but made some good runs, but in 2/3 good crosses and tracked back well.

    I don’t think he was as stand out bad player tonight as some suggest.

  • 61 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    Some people will be saying well played lads and we were unlucky all the way to the championship. I am a realist and think we should be doing a hell of a lot better with the players we have. Do people really think this is down to all eleven players under-performing ? , gimme a break. One or two maybe but it is up to the manager to get the best out of our squad

  • 62 jasper // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    My MoM (plural) were the toon fans who made it sound like we were the home side.

    Also note that the bin dippers beat WH without a CF at all but we keep playing one more than we need.

  • 63 toonicle // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    Jonas fell over more times than he completed a pass.

  • 64 NUFC FOR SALE // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    Tsunki

    Jonas didn’t cost us the game but he did not contribute to anything in it at all.

    There is no way he should be starting and keeping players like Ferguson and Marvaeux out of the team.

    Jonas’s legs have gone, hes looking for free kicks all the time because he knows he can’t beat a man, his passing is terrible, his crossing has always been terrible but the biggest difference is his defending has gone.

    Jonas only kept his place in the team for his defensive work but hes never really offered much going forward.

    Hes a sub, should be brought on when you’re winning a game by 2 goals to get you free kicks and take te pressure off.

  • 65 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    tunski

    your not with it,,

    pardew is rhe scape goat,, he is the one picking him,

    the buck stops with him

    jonas, is not a bad player, in his right position,,

    would you put a forward as a defender?? then say to him ou played shit there mate, no

    so why change a very attack minded player into a defensive one??

    jonas is not to blame,, he is asked to play there, if he says no, what would happen??

  • 66 Marty-Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Listen guys
    Hold your trap about bramble
    He was absolute rubbish,the only thing he added to the team was strength at corners

  • 67 Super Magpie // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    I know this post will most likely get ignored such is the length of it.

    My view on the game-
    Anita was MOTM once again, played very well and rarely gave the ball away. Ben Arfa was good on his return and Krul made a few good saves to keep us in it. Santon was decent going forward but caught out far too much defensively. The whole back four were very poor. Coloccini was at fault for both goals as was Williamson partly for the 1st goal. I don’t understand why he turned his body away from the ball. He does this too often and it has led to own goals in the past. Do I need to mention him giving the ball away as well? Simpson was disappointing too. The amount of chances he had to put in a decent cross was ridiculous. So, so poor.

    Now we move into our midfield. Anita like I said was our best player, if everyone played like him we’d be flying. Anyway, Tiote and Jonas are becoming liabilities. Tiote did not have to make that tackle for the free kick leading to their 2nd goal. He lost the ball many occasions and was sloppy as usual. Jonas is the same. He can’t pass, dribble or shoot so what is the point in having him in the team?

    Cisse was non existant again and Ba was ok I guess. Ben Arfa was good in the 2nd half before he came off. Pardew’s just said that he planned to take him off around 70 minutes anyway so I take back what I said earlier about that decision.

    Some good points were our corners improved, we were unlucky not to score and I thought we were unlucky tonight in all honesty. All the breaks fell to them and we hit the woodwork twice ( I think). We actually passed the ball around for a while too and had long spells of possession, which is something we have lacked this season. Certainly am improvement on our previous away games. Away games, there’s another point. 14 away games W/O an win. Our worst run in 27 years.
    Make it 16 as we won’t beat Man Utd or Arsenal.

    Also, why do we make awful players look like world beaters too?
    Sidwell, Jones, Rodallega, Jerome and Diabate. Suppose it sums up how poor we are defensively.

  • 68 ToonDownSouth // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Ruddy

    Come on mate… Krul saved at last one 1 on 1, and it’s not like we were peppering the goal with anything but speculative efforts :|

  • 69 Tsunki // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    toon1978 – yeah the same that won FK’s , ran tirelessly down the left and through the middle all night, beat men and covered for a drifting santon at the same time, also who should have had more rewards from some of the good balls he stuck into the box yeah that one. You watching an old game you recorded on MotD? Maybe when you look at a player try looking at everything they do before singling out the mistakes because they all made them, even the scintillating HBA and Anita.

  • 70 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    rivett

    not sure we would win that 6/10 times

    fulham also had a lot of very good chances. i think on balance a draw might have been fair but if anyone edged it i would say fulham.

    our defensive mistakes keep costing us…we dont create a lot, didn’t last year either but we were much tighter at the back last year.

    This season we have lost the solidity but not gained going forward.

  • 71 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé

    100% right

    slump implies you were good now then bad,, 14 poor games, means your poor,

    11 players dont turn bad over night

  • 72 Dannyo // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    @Tsunki
    We were so much better last season when defending as a unit.
    At some point this season AP has started trusting players he really shouldn’t and kind of “releasing” our offensive force.
    But there’s a cost, cause midfield doesn’t work back well enough and help.
    We were like an accordion last year, but defense seems to be left to itself a bit more.

  • 73 yorkshireToon // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    I don’t come on here to slag players off but if we had marveaux or cabaye for gutierez in this game it could of been a diifferent score, he really was that bad he lost the ball countless amounts of times, why is he playing?

    Love him for the effort but he has no quality anymore or isn’t showing it, either way needs benching fast

  • 74 DarloGeordie // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    To quote a certain Danny Dyer:

    “see ya later on Pardew, no one gives a fack abaaaat ya!!”

  • 75 nick_9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    Dannyo in the summer i was crying out for a centre back, full back, a left sided winger and a back up striker. If we bring those in i do believe we will be much more baalnced as a side and hopefully more composed, however even our strongest eleven have flaws that need addressing but when points are being picked up it takes a certain type of fan to still assess the sides performance. I say it all the time that points are the utmost priority but never ignore the telling signs of a performance. Williamson and Simpson are the culprits that lack composure and hoof the ball clear the most. Add to composed players and a full back who can create more but defend as well then we are laughing, add a composed, fast center back and again this helps us retain possession and adds a dimension to the defense. If we signed a left footed winger who can deliver a ball first time i believe we would be much more baalnced, jonas isn’t cutting it for me so can marveaux? Shola is not good enough as back up, he adds nothing different other than perhaps better hold up play. We need something different in attack but you know what to expect with shola and it is head high balls in the box.

    With our strongest eleven out i still think they need to work on their movement off the ball and support play. We hardly ever have players in support and do not create chances. It would be nice to carve out our own chances over a game or have our own style of play. Sadly in most games we are passengers and its becoming very unpleasant

  • 76 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    In the first half yes they had the better of it, that’s why I said we had the better chances in the second half. We hit the post twice and had 2 shots saved on the line. We also had some good efforts from outside the box.

    In terms of chances it was very even for both sides, no one side created much more than the other.

  • 77 sahil // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    Was there tonight and this was my view of the match:
    No movement, no tactics as was evident within the first 10 minutes with people sending the ball long in the corner to no one. Why at people like Danny Simpson even in professional football? EVERY cross is floated in.. So hard for our strikers. But don’t feel sorry for them as they just stand there without moving all game waiting for a ball into the box.. Why no movement? Also their first touch is very bad and it’s so hard for our team to play of them, everything just breaks down. Gutierrez – why why why pardew, absolutely shocking performance. Marvo would be a much better option, passes and moves. Collo class. Anita, very impressed. Passes and moves all the time, great first touch also. Hba pure class, only one who looked like scoring or creating anything whatsoever. Tiote, why does he look so awkward on the ball this season? His first season was his peak got me.
    C’mon pards sort it out, was dire to watch.
    HWTL.

  • 78 Novocastrian66 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    DarloGeordie
    Dec 10 – 10:45 PM
    Who is Danny Dyer?

  • 79 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    Tsunki

    Jonas did absolutely nothing. He ran around in circles and gave the ball away time and time again. His balls into the box went staright to the keepers hand time and again. He can run al day for me like but he offers nothing. And i was at the game mate so ya MOTD dig is gan nee where mate ;)

  • 80 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    Our players over achieved all of last year.

    I thought maybe 8th was right but got 5th…..maybe we aren’t a top ten side?

    or is that an excuse? where should we be based on squad

  • 81 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    @Ruddy
    What a load of tosh.mistakes if it wasn’t for krul or bad finishing by Fulham we would have been hammered.Or the brilliance of benny we wouldn’t have scored

  • 82 nick_9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    Super Magpie agree with your analysis of players and the game in general. Sloppy from collo, since the sending off he seems to have become a bit of a liability some times and i mean that he has cost us a good few goals as has williamson.

  • 83 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    thats a verey biased view there mate

    we had shots from out side the area and hit the post 2 times

    they where through on us with some great chances, more than us

    if BA or cisse had there chances,, they would have scored

  • 84 Tsunki // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Finally – really saying Fery and Marveaux are starters ahead of Jonas? Ferguson can get a few desperate crosses in but he is no upgrade. I like the lad but I dont think he will be anything special. And Marveaux still is not ready, and cannot defend. We would get hammered week on week playing these people, it certainly wouldnt signal a revolutionary surge up the table.

  • 85 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    toon1978

    Got to disagree

    Jonas put 2/3 good balls in…nobody gambled on two of them.

    I’m not going to lie, he is dropping down my list of players who should start but he isn’t as bad as some say.

  • 86 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Toon1978

    So because you were at the game your opinion is more valid? Guti was bombing down the line, passed the ball much better than others in the side, and won important FKs, plus Santon was killing him by being out of position nearly all the time, so he had a difficult job to do. We were exposed down the left not because of Guti but because of Santon who I thought was awful this evening.

  • 87 Kyo // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    Remember when we were called “negative” and “mackems” because we were worried about the lack of investment all summer?

    Where are those tossers who called us negative now?

  • 88 nick_9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    Sahil agree with msot of that except about collo, he cost us tonight.

  • 89 rivettCatcher // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    Transfer Sage… I’m an optimist :D

    Good point re tight defence. We nicked loads of poor games last yr, first half of the season, with Ba’s goals. We flattered ourselves last year & it’s showing this year.

    Still really liked how, when not hoofing it, Anita & Tiote passed it around. Still think its the best we’ve played all season (when Cisse moved off the front).

    HWTL!!!

  • 90 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    Give Mo Farah an NUFC contract and I am sure he could run up and down the wing “tirelessly” but if he creates nothing why have him on the pitch ? . I absolutely love Jonas as a person (have actually met him before) but if I kept messing up at work I doubt the boss would say na don’t sack him he is a nice guy.

  • 91 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    Transfer Sage
    nobody gambled, because no one expected them,, its clear they dont train on crosses

    no one attacks the ball

  • 92 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    When did i say my opinion was more valid mate???? I was accused of watching MOTD. Just my opinion. If no one agree’s…..so what, i dont give a sh1te :)

  • 93 sahil // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    Nick 9
    Fair play matey I think I was just remembering a few important interceptions haha he was at fault to be fair.

  • 94 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    Kyo

    Feeling good about yourself I suppose? Glad to see the team doing badly then? Feeling vindicated even though we have been destroyed by an injury list that any side would struggle with as well as trying to cope with European football with a pretty inexperienced squad?

    What exactly is your point?

  • 95 KrulG4ME // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    New poster long time reader. Love the toon but cant see where next points are coming from WHY is guti still playing brings nowt but disappointment (Marveaux PLS). Also does anyone think Ba does not want Cisse in team he never plays him in wants glory for himself not the team(last few games) need two wingers and ben arfa playing in hole for me. And as for williamson dont get me started on hoofball and please stop all the unnecessary passing back to this tool pls. Tim Krul outstanding keeper but terrible distribution so why is he taking all free kicks he can. Just saying what I see guys Pardew sort it out please

  • 96 wreker16 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Anita looks very good. Him cabaye and tiote would be a mental midfield combo.

    Guti came to life at the end. Krul played well, Ben arfa scored but he did look tired upon reflection. Tiote got sons interceptions and tackles but was horrendous on the ball.

    Will people please take their santon tinted glasses off. He is great in possession but he was caught out going forward so many times its untrue.

    Ba didn’t do much, didn’t look to have the appetite, cisse isn’t a winger end of.

    Colocinni was good in possession but it was arguably him to blame for both goals. Willo was poor, didn’t hoof it as much as usual. Simmo was great defensively and fcucking useless going forward. Can’t cross anything.

  • 97 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    1978

    Picked you up wrong then, but the rest of it still applies, I don’t think Jonas was that bad tonight.

  • 98 jimmysmith // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Mixed bag from Collo tonight by his exalted standards but that long range header searing toward the top corner and that curling effort from the corner of the box onto the far post were just splendid.

    We are a shadow of ourselves at the moment but we do have some real class players and maybe another in Anita.

    NUFC forever!

  • 99 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    Santon was out of position because he is our only threat down the left side Gutierrez can only fall over and win free kicks

  • 100 BelfastMagpie // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    Going by the lack of spending in most windows we’re probably in our rightful position in the Table.

    Mid table with the odd good season.
    I dont think that will change, unless they re think their transfer policy.

  • 101 Tsunki // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    The reason they had such storming breaks is because we again played a risky high line to get the goals. It made them look better than they deserved up front. Berbatov is a class act though his control was superb. Too selfish though.

    Toon1978 – must have been away from the play then. pretty dingy glasses you look at a layer with. Plus you must be listening to the voices of numbnuts around you, the same ones who booed obertan as soon as he came on the pitch and didnt set the world alight.

    Difficult to be objective and even slightly realistic when the losses mount up and hysteria sets in isnt it? I will quit now and come back when all the arm-wavers fall back.

  • 102 Graeme // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    Newcastle have only one player in the top 100!! Demba Ba!

    http://nothingbutnewcastle.com/2012/12/blogs/newcastles-only-player-in-the-top-100

  • 103 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    Daztoon

    So you think Santon should be given free reign to be on the half way line when the rest of the back four is faced with the opposition running at them? He was caught out of position because he was out of position, ie it was his own fault!

  • 104 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    catchy

    thats not pardews fault….cisse and ba both gambles last year and have done this year at times….they just don’t do it enough.

    we have too many players coasting through the game…they have no pressure for their place.

    in all honesty how many on our bench would replace those in first team tonight? maybe on marvoux?

  • 105 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    That’s fine. For me though he offers nothing but thats my opinion. I may be wrong but hey hooo that’s life.

  • 106 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:58 PM

    Even with all the injury’s this season we have generally had a better starting 1 than the opposition so that is not an excuse IMO. When the likes of West ham outplay us at home with inferior players there is only one person to blame and that is the manager

  • 107 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:58 PM

    That’s what the defensive midfielders are for to cover or the 3 defenders move across when ball on that side have you ever played football

  • 108 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    Sage

    Based on his performance this season I would have Bigi over Tiote any day. This isn’t based on Bigi playing well, this is because Tiote has been so bad I would rather see someone actually trying than see him dawdle on the ball and give it away. He has been nothing short of atrocious

  • 109 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    Ruddy Marveaux-lous
    when hav ewe been destriod by injury

    you go and look at every games starting line up

    and you will see

    it hasnt been as bad as you would be made to believe

    what made it look worse was tiote and colo getting red cards

    but thats football,,

    cabaye and maybe taylor are missing from the first team

    he has had his first choice forwards all season,

    most of his first choice midfield,,

    his first choice defence

    anita, has been a great player in the last 4 games now, prob better than cabaye had been this season

    think b4 you open your mouth,, dont just repeat pardew ,, you sound like his puppet

  • 110 KrulG4ME // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    Also have to say pardew wants more goals from defence look no futher than colo unlucky not to score two tonight that bloke has ability that willo can only dream of

  • 111 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    Tsunki

    Somebody gives another opinion and you don’t like. Yes, do that. Come back when EVERYONE agrees with you. What is the point in a blog if you cant give an opinion….and what is it with the sly digs ???????

  • 112 nick_9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    Sahil yeah each to their own mate. I know full well that your opinion as a fan at the game is often very different to your opinion when watching it on tv. On tv i think we seem to look like we pass it quicker yet often my memory from the game is always slow sluggish passing. The benefit of replays at home also helps out a lot whereas at the game you witness runs that the came doesnt pick up.

  • 113 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    Daztoon

    Santon is a LB first and foremost, if you think he was in the right positions then I seriously question your judgement,

  • 114 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:01 PM

    starting 11 rather

  • 115 Tsunki // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:01 PM

    Ruddy re tiote – agreed,it is he, not jonas, who has dropped off my appreciation list. In fact tonight he did nobody in mid any favours at all.

    Still going….

    ;)

  • 116 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:02 PM

    ruddy

    that bigi then….but thats my point…we have very few away from first 11 who could genuinely challenge and take a place from the main guys…thats an issue

  • 117 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:02 PM

    Santon was at least offering something to the cause by getting into the box, however he was caught out on numerous occasions.

  • 118 jeff // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:02 PM

    i think we should clone perch

    one to replace williamson and one to replace tiote and one to replace jonas and one for simpson

    line-up for manc:

    krul
    perch perch colo santon
    perch anita perch
    marv ba ben arfa

  • 119 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:02 PM

    Transfer Sage

    so you wold rather blame the starting 11 than blame pardew,,

    im sure the starting 11 is good enough

    the bench had some quality on it

    shola for HBA,, leaving us with 3 DMC

    marv coming on for the last 10 mins

    are those great choices??

  • 120 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM

    Tsunki

    We may agee there, Tiote was aweful. Can you read this without getting nasty????????

  • 121 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM

    Catchy

    How can anyone talk to you seriously when you do nothing but insult them?

    I am not going to enter into any discussion with you until you can learn to have some manners.

  • 122 wreker16 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:04 PM

    For all the crap Simmo gets, he was solid defensively, he also had plenty of opportunities to cross it, didn’t cross well but he had the chances. Santon is good on the ball but was nowhere to be seen in the defence.

  • 123 NUFC STEVE // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:04 PM

    If that was a decent performance WE ARE FUCKED!!! Pardwho reckoned we were “terrific” in the 2nd half- wat fucking game was he watching!!! Team was awful, terrible formation, no coaching, no style and our plan to try and win the game was to throw 3 6″0 strikers up front and lump it up!!! PARDEW OUT!!

  • 124 stuart no9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    so lets not beat about the bush – we are going down ! tonight is the first night i have realy come to accept it. the anger has gone now , all i feel is pity, watching them in the first half was very sad. in fact i must admit i was starting to swell up, watching these men looking for something to inspire them, any kind of inspiration would do- then just at that point the camera turns to THE man.- man at C&A – The man would look more at home in the littlewoods catalogue than trying to direct a group of pitiful players looking for inspiration to try and win a football game.This cant be right, it just cant be right, any one who says differently is not a true supporter or geordie. people can say this and that but a true fan would be worried by now and want changes. i love my team, and in that first half i felt like running on that pitch and giving them all a big cuddle, and tell them it will get better,either pards will get sacked or you will be playing for a better club next year. i really hope bennie goes to arsenal. he is a young lad , he dosnt deserve this. krul could go on to be a top keeper at another club, cisse will probably stay coz no one will want him , collo again sublime, but deserves better, willo needs to go on loan to walker social club for 10 seasons, apart from that we have some decent players who will only get worse playing for this shambles of a set-up, this shambolic excuse for a manager . very sad – for some strange reason i thought we would turn it on tonight, then i saw pardew on the telly , and brought me back down to earth with a mighty bang, never mind , think i,ll get my 1996 video out and dream.

  • 125 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    @ruddy
    Thank god for your posts need a good laugh right now after watching another poor game you have no idea.

  • 126 Tsunki // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    toon1978 – your comment about not agreeing is ironic, I clearly dont agree with you because Jonas played well, not spectacularly, in the main, but your observation is that he did nothing at all. Your opinion would be more valid to me if you could actually say how playing him was to the detriment of the side, but you’re just saying stuff you’ve heard from others, with no observational backing. Feel free to keep offering your opinion though, and meanwhile I will feel free to think its rubbish.

    Damn I really am going :)

  • 127 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:06 PM

    catchy

    thats not what I said….I think the starting 11 are party to blame…they have put in a lot of lazy performances, made basic mistakes they didn’t make last year (especially defensively)

    I think pardew isn’t helping…his subs annoyed me…bringing off hba was understandable but not for shola…we were just disjointed and had no shape then.

  • 128 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:07 PM

    Daztoon

    So who were the good performers in your eyes? Just to get a grasp of where you’re at in terms of your judgement.

  • 129 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:08 PM

    Pardew picks the team the formation the tactics makes the subs to change the game so who takes the blame

  • 130 wreker16 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:08 PM

    Did I just see someone say collo was sublime? What about the two goals he cost us?

  • 131 Tsunki // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:08 PM

    toon 1978 – on the jonas thing I mean. And sorry if I come across as rude its a bit cheap you are right, i could back off the throwaway snipes oo-errr….

  • 132 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    Tsunki

    Well done. A post without being obnoxious. Didn’t think you had it in you:) Jonas spent most of the time on the deck. When he did get the ball he gave it away. Yes, he got 2 or 3 crosses into the box. Two of them where straight into the keepers hand and the other was a good cross but nobody made an efford to get to to the ball. Again, my apologies for not bowing to your opinion.

  • 133 Davey // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    Sorry to be a doom monger but unless something magical happens in January this is going to be a season looking over our shoulders nervously at the bottom 3 and hoping there will be 3 worse teams than us! 4 4 2 and trying to accomadate 2 strikers does not seem to be working Cisse will come good again and when he does play him but at the moment he is a wasting a posistion on the pitch. Tiote in my opinion must be the player who had is “head turned” cos he has been a liability, has given the ball away in dangerous posistions 4 time today! gives needless freekicks, collect yellow and red cards as a hobby (not tonight), when disposed he shrugs and lets play roll on without him. Gutterez is tireless but on the wing he delivers little quality. Marvieux and Anita seem to be picking up and Ferguson and Sammy seem promising. We cant do much worse than change tactics and “rest” some of the stars from last season who look jaded. Lets hope its not 2009 all over again!!!

  • 134 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:10 PM

    ruddy all you do is stick up for a guy who is letting us and his players down

    his selections , whether it be starting line up and subs, have been shocking

    you stick up for him leaving jonas on the pitch, the guy runs all day, but offers nothing going forwards or backwards,,

    im bewilderd in how you see footballers or how the game should be played..

    tonight, when HBA went off, 3 big CFs , no one to link up, he set them up for long ball,, no long balls,, then left it to 80 somthing mins to bring marv on who could have linked up with them,,

    how is that not starnge

    long ball all season, with only 2 up front,

  • 135 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:10 PM

    Anita,benny,cisse looked better krul had to be and santon ran all game.Shola offered nothing again and other two subs were 20 mins to late

  • 136 Willo // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    Can’t help but think that if HBA has 20 more minutes ni him that we would have gotten something out of this match. And I don’t think I’ve ever really questioned Pardew but does anyone else think he waited WAY too long before introducing Bigi and Marv? If he wanted them to have an impact on the game they need more than 5 minutes.

  • 137 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:13 PM

    daztoon

    Pardew is at fault for a few things.

    – team selection (why the 2 senegal boys when they just dont work…..cisse can only play centrally and he can play with ba…one or the other OR ba left of the 3 but he is scoring so cisse on bench for me

    – horrible style of play….totally comes from manager….he should identify willo and simmo need help as there passing is bad…work with them on improving but also get more players to drop deep to help get the ball off them easier

    – poor subs

    – persisting with out of form players

    Things pardew can’t hel

    – players not putting in effort

    -players making stupid mistakes you wouldn’t expect from lower league players

    -lack of leader on the pitch (if he hasn’t got a leader and ashley wont buy he is stuck)

    So that’s my take on it anyway.

  • 138 Graeme // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:13 PM

    Only THREE teams in the Prem have failed to win an away game! QPR, Reading and guess who??

    Yep, good old Newcastle. We are just not gelling, we do not look like a team, or play like a team. Without moments of skill from an individual player here and there, we would be in bottom three.

  • 139 wreker16 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    “Santon ran all game” that sounds just like people’s description of Gutierrez……

  • 140 catchy in norway // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    Transfer Sage

    right so if the players are partly to blame,, then pardew is not doing his job,,

    there are players to do jobs in that squad,,

    me i think they are not playing for him, there is no intesity to our game, at all, i watch fulham chase our players down,,

    gary nevil rightly pointed the finger at santon, ask yourself why,, he has been our lb and left winger most of the season,, of course he will always be out of position,, who is infront of him???

    the players must see this

    and are you telling me,, marv isnt looking and saying im better than jonas, why am i not starting

  • 141 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    So if it is the players and not Pardew why does he reward players that aren’t performing ? . Tiote,Cisse,Williamson and Gutierrez have all underperformed this season yet Pards sticks with them for some reason. Marv has a great game against Wigan but is immediately replaced by Jonas for reasons unknown. Also Williamson has looked out of his depth this season but Perch can’t get a look in.

    Basically if it is the players that are not performing why does Pardew not realise this and change the team FFS ?

  • 142 Toon Tang // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    why was benny replaced? were he injured. shoulda had marv on earlier and maybe replaced cisse. not as peeved with this game for the simple fact we were actually putting effort in.

    ps. tiote passing was absolutely atrocious. real infant school boy stuff

  • 143 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    @catchy
    Ruddy sees a different side to us but that is a good thing if we all agreed on everything would make for a dull debate

  • 144 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    Greame

    We played some good football. Unfortunaely a few let us down.

  • 145 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM

    wreker16

    Dont mention Jonas ffs lol :)

  • 146 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    @transfer sage
    I agree but he then has the subs and the change of tactics to alter the game.when benny scored bring on marv and run at them not sit back and hope for a point

  • 147 Ian Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    I have just read the posts for just before,during and after the game.
    From so many absurd comments my personal favourite was :
    Beattie 25- With his quote ” Thinking positively is a selfish desire born out of an underwhelming frustration.” You drama queen. What a phoney you are.
    Large Sad Menace-
    Your absolutely right Beattie’s quote doesn’t make sense. But what’s new. You can write his football insight on the back of a postage stamp. Anyone questioning this statement read back the text.
    Tads/ HBA Blood Twister-
    My type of supporters. No preconceptions judgement calls based on the game alone. Tiote and Anita occupied the same space and I would have made a substition earlier. We needed more creativity and Marve for Cisse would have aided our attacking options once we had equalised. Jonas did not play that well but he was by no means our poorest player . Jonas is struggling with an injury and for all his effort and determination he should be given a rest.
    Keep the faith.

  • 148 wreker16 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:19 PM

    If Pardew played santon and Marv on the same wing then there would be no one defending down our left hand side. ATM we have guti and santon on the left and benny and Simmo on the right. For each side 1 is defensive and 1 is attacking. Playing two attackers might cause problems for our already shaky defence

  • 149 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:19 PM

    catchy

    I am not saying pardew is perfect….he is really struggling and I can’t see when or if he can change this around….it’s gone on too long to be just bad form.

    What I’m saying is if the players he has aren’t performing he has very few options other than maybe marv and bigi he can bring into the side.

    I think marv is very good but I can’t see him making such a difference we start winning every week,

    I think pardew has called he board out about january spending…lets see where we are feb 1st I think.

    Thats when we will know for definite if we are mid table or relegation battle.

    We have goal scorers in our team….and special player in ben arfa so although we aren’t too good to go down I think we have more chance than a good 5/6 teams below us.

  • 150 cadete // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:19 PM

    right………….
    what can ya say, collo was my man of the match by the toss of the coin from anita. benny was also great at times and was playing really well when as u would expect our “manager” takes him off.
    We will have to realise in our next 5 games 1 point is a realistic outcome and being in the relegation zone on jan the 2nd is what WIll happen.
    If chris hughton took this team as far as he could how in f**k did alan pardew get an 8 year contract.
    F**king tiote is a bloody liability he cannot pass…. how may times has he given the ball away /conceded a free kick that a goal has come from. he is constantly suspended/injured/on int duty all the time, get rid play bigi. tonights game we were ok but thats not enough.
    Simpson was ok tonight but again williamson and guti were rubbish(haugeland nutmegged him at 1 time in our box)
    this cannot go on jesus its 1 step forward(last year) 10 back. I could blame mike but to be fair this time its not his fault pards has no idea tactically and his team choices are abysmal.
    Whay not start bigi in midfield instead of that good for nothing cant pass/cross/tackle guti and get pperch in there at centre half to give collo some1 to play with instead of him trying to cover that big useless donkey williamson!

    rant over

  • 151 Graeme // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:21 PM

    Toon 1978 – we did, yes. but it was in the wrong areas. The defence looked woeful, yet again. Pardew did us NO favours with his subs. Cisse and Ba are very good strikers – but not with each other. WHY does Pardew continue to play them BOTH???

    We are looking far to much like the team who took us down!! Now that is frightening!!

  • 152 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:21 PM

    Ian Toon

    A fair comment on Jonas. I am to harsh on the lad lol.

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    ian

    is jonas 100% confirmed carrying an injury or just your opinion by his play/kicking?

    forgot to ask you last time

  • 154 Essex Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    This is my first post on here as I felt I wasn’t worthy enough to say anything,as until you stand amongst the toon In the stand as I did tonight you can’t question Pardy or the team ! My view on the boys tonight.. Simmo nothing special but not the awful play I’ve seen so far this season. Willo dog shit at usual enough said . Collo, stand out played could not of done without him. Santon, got closed down a few times but still maybe my man of the match again.
    Guity, enough rubbish has been said about him but he was up and down tonight. Some good some bad. Tiote, good game I’m general, didn’t give silly balls away and held up play well. Anita same as the last few games but felt I wanted more from him,
    Had a few chances he could of taken a shot but passed instead… Pards new tactics ??
    Benny, so glad to see him back, made the game for me the fans were going mad for him. understood him coming off as he is so vital for the city game on the weekend ! Cisse, barely noticed he was playing to be honest saw him come on and go off at half time that was all ! and finally Ba, i really wanted more the pressure was there but I felt he maybe needed to Shola to back him up the whole game!
    Overall a good game for Newcastle they were clearly the better side Fulham made the most of the little chances they had against Krul who had a decent game! craven cottage is a good ground the home side are awful fans, it was like they were at the theatre, barley made a noise.

  • 155 wreker16 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    Can someone please explain how they think colocinni was our man of the match? Pleeeeeaaaasssseeeee!!!!!!

  • 156 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    @transfer sage
    What if Ashley sells benny and ba to fund the new signings though then where will the goals and creativity come from

  • 157 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    The whole world see’s Ba & Cisse can not play together unless Ba is out wide in a 4-3-3. Every man and his dog knows this but Pardew is either to stubborn or gutless to drop one of them.

  • 158 BelfastMagpie // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    Ben Arfa off Shola on when we were on top was a terrible decision, in my opinion.

    That’s the most annoyed i’ve ever been with Pardew.

    That was game over.

  • 159 Jail for Ashley // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    We played shite at times last season and won,when you’re playing ok sometimes and losing that’s fu**in worrying.what’s happened to the mindset I just don’t know.

  • 160 Carryingcoals // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    Transfer Sage

    I know what you’re saying in regards to the players however I feel Pards could do a lot more to help but we are seeing the same, repeated mistakes.

    Tonight has left me so frustrated because every week I see the same things go wrong. Why is Cisse out of position again, why is Jonas on the wing? Neither should happen.

    I maintain that I do like Pards, I really do. But he is in charge and he is yet to rectify reoccurring problems.

    At present I’d say he is more to blame and I’m pointing the finger at him for my biggest frustrations at present.

    http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=416

  • 161 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    Daz

    Why if he doesn’t sell and signs a CB and full back?

    It’s ifs and buts at this stage…no point worrying over something which hasn’t happened.

    We bought cisse last jan without selling, bought Anita in summer without selling a key player….so hard to say what will happen

  • 162 headtheball // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    I hope Mashley buys some parachutes in January as we are now officially in Freefall. The trial and tribulations of supporting Nufc. HWTL

  • 163 Ian Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:30 PM

    1978- your not alone- LOL
    I am too harsh on Simpson and Williamson but I will be delighted when their replaced. Hopefully in January. I thought we played some good stuff but defensively we were tormented by Berbatov even without Tiote gifting them that free kick. Though on another day we could have got at least a draw. Given that our strength is going forward we should be bolder at times. It’s daft to blame the manager as so many do.

  • 164 Ian Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:32 PM

    Belfast – HBA Was only ever going to play for a maximum 70 minutes.

  • 165 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:32 PM

    Carrying

    No doubt pardew is partly to blame. How big a part is open for debate.

    He needs to make changes and start dropping players instead of wedging then into his formation.

    It’s no good changing the formation if you then put players out of position, it negates any positive effect from changing the formation

  • 166 Ian Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    Transfer- just me. But I stand by it just as I did when fans criticised Cabaye. Pardew is not going to announce it !!

  • 167 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    How does Pardew get an eight year contract as a football manager.Is he a tactical genius.Has he got a winning record with loads of trophies.Has he been at the top of his profession for years.Just goes to show Ashley knows absoulty nothing about running a football club.Sir Bobby got sacked for less than this clown

  • 168 Toon1978 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    Ian

    I feel sorry for Pardew. The board have given him zero backing. They took a huge risk by not investing in the summer. Now it is coming back to bite NUFC on the backside….WELL DONE Llambias and Ashley…master stroke. We need a full back, Centre back, midfielder and a striker. Debuchy, Sissoko, Douglas and Remy would do us a few favours mind hahaha.

  • 169 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    Ian

    If we are too defensive is it the managers or players fault though? Just wondering your take on that.

    Also agree on tiote, gives away too many needless free kicks which might stop a fluid attack against us but gives opponents a chance to deliver from a dangerous set piece.

  • 170 Ian Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:35 PM

    Transfer- time to go. See ya.

  • 171 FatmanJoe // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:35 PM

    Positives from tonight – most our players played well. Simmo and santon were always a handful for them. Jonas looked much better. Krul seems back to his old self.

    Negatives – still shaky at the back. Pardew’s decision to bring Ben arfa off when he was about to run riot was a really strange one. I even caught a look from krul as he turned around to face the goal and it was pure bewilderment!

    But a much better performance.

    And – having been to a few home and away games this season I have to say away fans are much louder and more constant at the moment!

  • 172 stuart no9 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:36 PM

    cadette @147 i agree with most you say, however it has gone past trying to trying to work out who should be being selected and who should be playing where – we only need to make 1 change,! our very own man at C&A mr pardew full stop. we could still turn this around, but if that man is still here in jan , we are down – no buts about it !

  • 173 Transfer Sage // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    Ian

    Wasn’t sure if I had missed an interview or something.

    If that’s the case though I would like to see Jonas get treatment in January and make sure we sign at least enough to cover his absence.

    I’m not convinced he is carrying a problem, just think he is in a terrible slump of form….but I can’t say for sure

  • 174 jimmysmith // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    Looking at the teams lack of cohesion and penetration throughout the season it’s hard to imagine replacing Willo and Simmo with better players solving the problem, they simply aren’t that influential. Seems to me our biggest problems are in going forward as a unit with purpose and pace and Cisse doesn’t appear to be a good all round player, so if he’s not playing as a finisher, then perhaps he shouldn’t be playing at all.

  • 175 Carryingcoals // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    sage

    yes, well said.

    ian toon

    I think we played a lot better tonight than we have in many games. Certain parts of the team however just simply don’t work. Pards must address this.

    I agree we could well have gotten a draw whilst Fulham themselves had chances which could have sealed the game a lot earlier.

  • 176 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    @transfer
    With Ashley in charge you can never say never.Pardew said he wanted to keep the players that got us 5th,but look at us now same players but 14th and dropping like a brick.Why wouldn’t he sell in jan wouldn’t get the same money for players in the championship

  • 177 hotdog // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:39 PM

    “We are going to have to get more resilience about us and make sure we don’t concede goals like that.”
    I hope I’m wrong but pards seems to have his head in the sand if he thinks this back four can keep clean sheets. The only solution is rip it up and start again but it will cost so were screwed. Unless a sheik comes in. Night all

  • 178 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:40 PM

    Even without the lack of investment we should be playing a lot better than we are. There are maybe 7 teams that have consistently had better starting 11’s than us in the PL this season so in theory we should be comfortably in the top 10 but find ourselves just above the relegation zone. How people can justify this is beyond me and they need to wake up and smell the coffee IMO. Yes injury’s should have knocked us of track a bit but as for derailing our entire season, only the biggest optimist would believe that

  • 179 Carryingcoals // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:41 PM

    toon1978

    I think you make a great point there and the board must come under scrutiny. In many ways Pards hands are tied.

    Although I really do think he could make his own decisions to change things and better our fortunes. Things that are in his power. Jonas is his fabourite, hell he’s one of my favourites but he’s been terrible throughout the current campaign and needs dropping

    Pardew can do some things himself and we can’t neglect that.

    The board, pards and the players all have a hand in the whats going wrong, of course it’s not one single factor and i’m not using pards as a scapegoat here.

    Tonight though he annoyed me with the same old errors I feel he as the manager makes

  • 180 Ian Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:41 PM

    Transfer/ Toon 1978- Pardew doesn’t have a lot of confidence in the defence ie Simpson and Williamson. Our best player was Tim. He has been saying for 18 months that we need an improvement but as you say was not supported financially. I don’t know what we’re going to do with Tiote who’s gone from. Being a strength to a weakness.
    He doesn’t have to make every tackle.
    I am off. There were a number of positives and with a little luck !!

  • 181 daztoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:42 PM

    Tonight berbatov showed how to link the front players with the midfield.We don’t have that we just have a team of individuals who look like they have never played together at times

  • 182 Ian Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:45 PM

    Transfer- just clearing up. Nothing in post match interview on Jonas but AP said that it was always his intention to sub HBA after 70 minutes because he hadn’t trained. Good night mate.

  • 183 Ian Toon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    daz- that’s Cabaye’s role when fit.

  • 184 LargeSadMenace // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    Carrying @175

    Completely agree with this sensible post.

  • 185 beefman13 // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    Apparently AP begged MA to let the team who finished 5th last season stay together for another shot at the prem, thing is they played to the absolute max last season forme we could not finish any higher than we did this season without the extra strengthening we still need, there is a reason williamson could get no where near pompeys first eleven! we bought him at a time when we were pushing to get out of the coca cola and he did serve his purpose same as simpson, we need a big upgrade in our defense without hesitation, without doubt, without question.

    Time and again we are getting done with the simple cross and our defenders no where to be seen, also jonas gutteirez shoul not be guarenteed a starting spot every game, if AP continues not to notice the fact that these so called purples are average at best then thats what we will become even more, same with the two dembas up front together they havnt a clue how to play as a striking partnership, if he dosnt mix it up he is going to create a world of stress for himself is AP.

    I still believe we have the players in our squad but more have to be used the usual suspects who play game on game just are not up to the game, if he has not the balls to start dropping some then we will suffer further

    FORMATAIONS and players in certain positions need to get the bullet they have had enough chances and the same mistakes by the same players cost us week in week out, over to you AP keep up being pig headed and you are goiung to have to deal with the consequenses, it needs changing, AND NOW.

  • 186 davetoon // Dec 10, 2012 at 11:56 PM

    Who is our defensive coach, maybe they need to be sacked.
    We are losing all the games we won 1-0 or drew 0-0 last seaso due to horrible defending.
    Both Collo and Williamson were horrible today, Timmy kept us in the game in 1st half and less said about Tiote’s game the better..

  • 187 FatmanJoe // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:01 AM

    Williamson ‘couldn’t get near’ the portsmouth side coz they couldn’t afford to play him. I was sat behind the goal today and apart from a few slips he got everything right. I’m sick of people singling players out. We played well but got beat.

    Geez the fulham defenders were gash tonight but the fans absolutely love them.

  • 188 jimmysmith // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    Krul

    Debuchey Douglas Collo Santon

    Anita Tiote
    Cabaye

    HBA Ba or Cisse (Genuine top winger?)

    Guti Taylor off the bench

  • 189 nick_9 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    For me the team is a representation of Pardew and the longer he stays the more it becomes so.
    – Pardew trains the players and sees them in training.
    – He selects the match day squad and formation/tactics.
    – If a player doesn’t perform in the game or do as asked then its down to Pardew to drop him temporarily or for good.
    – In the summer said how Ashley wanted to know when he was signing a CB, Pardew said we would be ok without any new additions even after Raylor and Perch suffered injuries. Do we believe Pardew was covering for Ashley and feel sorry for him or do we believe that he made the choice himself?

    As you can see i think Pardew is responsible for a lot but he cannot be held accountable for missed chances and so on.

  • 190 Carryingcoals // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:05 AM

    fatman

    Whilst we all know Willo isnt good enough I’m quite surprised he has gotten so much mention tonight. He was alright really. I’ve seen him far worse and far more to blame.

    Certainly greater faults than one player.

    We’ve had far worse games this season, January is such a huge time for us though.

  • 191 hotdog // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:08 AM

    Farman – hangeland was crap was he! Just what we need if u ask me.

  • 192 FatmanJoe // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    I’d be quite happy with willo as back up. A few of the fulham fans tonight were saying they’d have him (this will start the inevitable ‘ill drive him there myself’ type comments) but I think the comments on here are a little harsh at times.

    Colo was a bit shaky.

    I’m just concerned that tonight seemed like our easiest game for a while. I agree we need strengthening in January but I think our attack might need looking into also – I haven’t looked at the stats but it seemed like we were putting lots of balls into dangerous areas and had loads of shots but couldn’t make them count. That needs addressing doesn’t it?

  • 193 archaeomag // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Somebody should explain to Papiss Cisse about the offside rule – perhaps they don’t have it in Senegal.

  • 194 nick_9 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Tonight i dont think Willo got as much attention as he did against Stoke, the defensive errors tonight seemed to lay more at the feet of collocini much like the second goal did against stoke. It is a worry what has happened to the form of tiote, collocini and even cabaye early on. We blamed preseason, the euros, lack of fitness, europe, injuries and so on but we just arent cutting the mustard. Something isnt working, we have looked marginally better in the last two games but now are ‘easier’ fixtures have passed and we have four tricky games left.

  • 195 FatmanJoe // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    Hotdog. A few dodgy moments yeah. I agree he’s generally quite consistent but tonight he was well nervous. A few awkward back passes, a few slow moments. Cisse had him beat a few times.

  • 196 Carryingcoals // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    fatman

    Thats very true – I agree.

    As for up top yeah you have a point here. Tonight our delivery and crossing was poor. We resorted to a lot of outside the box shots as we had no killer final ball. We again looked a little lost in the final third, ie how are we going to get behind their backline?

    It was nothing short of frustrating.

    Fulham were far from impenetrable but we should have tested Schwarzer a lot better than we did, yes we had shots on target but many were tame and ultimately nonthreatening.

    Hard to swallow another defeat tonight. I’m off now, take care

  • 197 Brutooon // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    Williamson – Championship quality at its best. If we want to be top 6 team, get rid of him! Did you know that 20 out of 23 goals we concede this season came from WILLIAMSON mistake??????

    Tiote – what happen to him?? he passes 5 times to the opponents at dangerous area!

    First Half Long Ball Tactics – told this a million time, this strategy WONT WORK! Demba Ba can’t hold the ball. Look at berbatov, fulham gave long ball to him and 10/10 he keep the ball

    Jonas – a total useless. He should focus on creating chances.

  • 198 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:18 AM

    Haha, it’s a shame that we don’t have 2 James Perch’s at the moment (1 for right back and 1 for centre back). I don’t think James is good enough to start in the DM role.

    Have we agreed a deal with Debuchy?

  • 199 BelfastMagpie // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:19 AM

    Well if they know what their doing, first week of jan a new centre back should arrive. And I dont mean an 18 year old kid. I mean a cb that goes straight into the team & that’ll be the end of Willamson.

  • 200 beefman13 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    Fatman, i am sick of seeing williamson and simpson and jonas playing in every starting eleven, there has to be a reason why we keep giving away the same sort of goals week in week out, if your saying they all played well then what or who or is it our formation? to blame for our performances while they are in the team, do you have alternative wipping boys, you could defend like a trojan for 90 mins but give away two silly mistakes in injury time does that mean everything is rosy, beacuse it is not.

    What is your reasoning why we keep getting beat virtually every game at the moment, and why do we not get going till we are a goal behind? why cant we come back from a goal down and win in two years, it has to be the mentality of the players to an extent.

    Not having to much of a pop at you son, i would just like to hear your reasoning!

    i

  • 201 Brutooon // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:20 AM

    1) We never score from crosses – then why do we bother crossing?

    2) Our long ball tactics never won any games – then why do we bother using it?

  • 202 Carryingcoals // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:23 AM

    kets

    no we havent. Now a question for you…

    would you say tonight’s defeat came down to the original errors of williamson and simpson at the back for us or more from our own inability to create and take chances in the final third?

  • 203 BelfastMagpie // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:24 AM

    I dont usually slag of players, but he’s one of the worst centre backs I’ve seen in the premiership.

    Makes me nervous all game.

  • 204 Brutooon // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    Williamson = Championship Defender = make mistake = concede goals = midfield work TWICE to cover him = tired midfield = less chances = slow shooting = no goals = DEFEAT

  • 205 FatmanJoe // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:26 AM

    Beefman can’t be arsed with a long explanation as to our problems at the mo so I’ll refer you to carrying Underneath as its what i think too. Its been a long night out in the cold singing for all our boys tonight and cheering them on like every other fan in the stands. Not surprised in the slightest to come back to the usual misdirected criticism on here.

  • 206 BelfastMagpie // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:28 AM

    I actually think he makes the players nervous too.

    And dont get me started on the set peice’s ffs lol

  • 207 nick_9 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    Current season – 16 games – 17 points
    Relegation season – 16 games – 16 points

    Trouble is in the relegation season we won on both gameweek 17 and 18 so had 22 points after 18 games, our nrext two games are Man City at home and QPR at home so it is likely we will have less points than in our relegation season, if ashley has learned from his mistake he will invest in this window to aid safety. In the january window of the season we went down we signed Nolan, Raylor and Lovenkrands

  • 208 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:31 AM

    Williamson was at fault for the first goal. Coloccini was at fault for the second, but Coloccini was good offensively, so that means he had an average game.

    We can’t really blame the midfield as we did ok in that department. Jonas has completely lost it though. Marveaux and Abeid should have started ahead of Jonas and Tiote.

    This is my lineup for the Man City game:

    Krul

    Santon Perch Coloccini Gutierrez

    Anita

    Ben Arfa Abeid Marveaux

    Cisse Ba

  • 209 Brutooon // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:32 AM

    Williamson

    = Tallest player in our team but NEVER won any header

    = make mistakes what cause 20 out of 23 goals concede by NUFC this season

    = A defender who is afraid! when he got the ball, he just bang it up.

    = There is a reason why Portsmouth didnt play him = BECAUSE HE IS CRAP!

  • 210 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:36 AM

    You’re exactly right. Simpson just boots it into the box every time he gets it and never blocks crosses coming in from the left.

    If we had to get rid of a particular player, It’d have to be Tiote. Cash in on him and sign Diame and Sissokho. We’d also need to sign a flair player like Boudebouz or Sulejmani.

  • 211 cockneymagpie90 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    Pardew has no sense of where to play certain players, this team/formation would of done whole lotbetter than what he put out…

    ————-Krul———–
    Simo-Taylor-Colo-Guti
    ——Tiote——-Anita—–
    Santa–Benarfa–marvo
    ———-Ba/Cisse———-

    This would of been all over fulham but i dont think pardew has a clue about the team he is dealing with, shame cus we have some quality players.

  • 212 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:38 AM

    We won’t beat QPR. I think we have the beating of Reading, Villa and Sunderland but that’s about it. All the other teams are better than us.

  • 213 cockneymagpie90 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    My bad i put taylor, anoyone but willy head!

  • 214 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    Marveaux is the most underrated player in the team. Give him a 10 game run. I guarantee that he will provide many assists a bag a couple of goals. He is more creative and threatening than Jonas. He also doesn’t lose the ball as much as Ben Arfa. Night.

  • 215 Carryingcoals // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:47 AM

    I’m speechless after reading that flurry kets. Speechless. Goodnight.

  • 216 jimmysmith // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:50 AM

    I suspect Guti is contributing far more than he is being given credit for in a new role. He is being singled out but has contributed far more than Tiote for example in a similar role. There’s plenty of graft but not enough guile in that midfield at present. Hopefully the emergence of Anita and return of Cabs will improve things and we also as a priority need a fast direct goalscoring left winger if Ba gonna continue to be cnut about it.

  • 217 jimmysmith // Dec 11, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    Demba Ba, super player, won’t play out of position even to benefit the team, is demanding 90 k a week, might be time both parties moved on.

  • 218 gonufc (up and Hatem) // Dec 11, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    I think more than anything else we need a winger who can cross.

    slightly less desperately is a replacement for Williamson- ridiculously out of his depth.

  • 219 t00ntime // Dec 11, 2012 at 1:55 AM

    people calm down, i hate losing but pardews excuses are done. He blamed EL, no more EL. he blamed injuries 1/2 big injuries left. December is the month he can prove himself. if we are still failing in jan blame pards, untill then lets trust him and hope he sorts it out!

  • 220 LGFUAD21 // Dec 11, 2012 at 3:31 AM

    I don’t care which but we need to sell cisse or Ba, Ba may be in form but I feel cisse could do just as good if given solo rains. Then buy a different type of striker.

    If we had a Lacey, tricky striker the either cisse/ Ba could support owned contribute goals or shola could. Support, 2 many cooks spoil the broth. Or two many identical strikers do. Anita or Cabaye could get some goals from the middle and bunny and Marveaux but Pards should surely know by now that whatever is going on is not right. Ergo change it. , we look better when we bring our best players into the game and pass it. But no we don’t

  • 221 brighter // Dec 11, 2012 at 4:07 AM

    ED, Who was your man of the match?
    HAHAHA.

  • 222 savio // Dec 11, 2012 at 4:14 AM

    I think except Ben Arfa,the whole team is struggling…Colo,tiote,Ba,Cisse…everybody is struggling…even Pardew is not the same person he was last season….I am not great fan of sacking managers..but after yesterdays performance i think it is the right time to do it…Pardew had all the players back except for Cabaye and S Taylor…and he cant motivate them…and replacing 2 of our best players in th amtch (ben arfa & anita) while we are trailing is idiotic…and how does he expect to get a goal with Ba,Cisse and ameobi in the same team…there was no movement once that combo came in…I think Cisse and jonas shoul be dropped for the next games..in defence we dont have much option…

    My team would be:
    Krul

    Simpson Colo Williamson Santon

    Tiote Perch

    Anita

    Ben Arfa Marveux

    Ba

  • 223 geordiejamie89 // Dec 11, 2012 at 6:36 AM

    Sunderland made more of an effort in the last transfer market, a smaller club with less revenue. So how Newcastle thought they could stretch the team with an added European competition with only one first team signing I don’t know. Newcastle should have signed a CB, RB and an additional midfielder if they wanted to get near where we were end of last season. Newcastle probably need to sign a couple players in Jan if we’re to get anything positive from the season.
    And for last nights match, I believe if you look at the form of some of the players from the Europa league, there’s some players starting that shouldn’t, and some players not starting that should. Below is the side I think would have won the match.

    ——————————Krul—————————
    Simpson—–Williamson—-Coloccini—–Santon
    ——————————Tiote————————-
    ——————–Anita———-Gutierrez————-
    ———-Ben Arfa——————–Marveux——-
    ——————————-Ba—————————

  • 224 Home n Howay // Dec 11, 2012 at 6:40 AM

    I see people still want to put Jonas in the side, now as a left back? Wow!
    ->I’d rather have Fergy in for Jonas on the left wing. Dont understand Pardew’s love affair with Guti. Is it because he wins us a few freekicks? That apart I dont see his contribution in the side. Fergy on the left wing would put in more crosses in than Jonas anyday.

    ->Also like to see us getting more infield than just running down the wings everytime & putting in hopeful crosses. HOPEFUL. yeah thats precisely what they are. Benny, Marveaux & Anita linking up with Ba & Cisse ahead with those through balls & little one-twos would be much more effective than hopeful crosses.

    -> If you are going to play Ba & Cisse, Pardew just has to make sure they link together like they did against Wigan. Whenever you see them, thers always acres of space between them which makes it impossible for either of them to find each other. Cisse barely gets 5-6 touches of the ball whole game.

    I’d drop both Jonas, Cisse for Fergie, Marveaux & go for a 4-2-3-1

    – Krul –
    Simpson – Colo – Willo – Santon
    – Tiote – Anita –
    Ben Arfa – Marveaux – Fergy
    – Ba -

  • 225 cyprus // Dec 11, 2012 at 6:53 AM

    Relegation scrap? No doubt. I’ll risk it here and call the teams going down: QPR, Reading and then it’s between our friendly neighbours and us. I think we will shade it and be safe, one place above relegation.

    Last night was evidence enough where we stand: huff and puff, low confidence, laboured build up. Did we deserve to lose? Overall, sadly, yes. Despite everyone focusing there, I don’t think the main problem is with our defense. Believe me, we’ve had worse. It’s with our midfield. So, where’s the problem, exactly?

    Though people complain about Tiote, he does cut out many attacks (admittedly last night he had many misplaced passes!), but he was never a creative midfielder. Jonas (my ex-favourite player of them all) is just not himself these days, don’t know why. Must be benched, rested. HBA needs a player who can play alongside him, maybe Marveaux? The problem there is that both he and Anita have skill, is that they are tiny and they easily get bullied off the ball.

    In attack? What the hell happened with that most prolific of strikers NUFC had ever seen? Can’t explain it. Dude must be benched, unfortunately. Shola? Please…

  • 226 FatmanJoe // Dec 11, 2012 at 6:57 AM

    Brutoon

    That’s made up nonsense man.. Williamson won several headers tonight. In fact can’t really remember him losing one tbh.

  • 227 FatmanJoe // Dec 11, 2012 at 6:58 AM

    Brutoon

    Point no3 is daft too. He made several decent passes.

  • 228 RonVanDam // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:00 AM

    Heres my analysis of todays game

    Krul 8 – Made 3 excellent saves and kept us in the game. Couldnt do anything about the 2 goals. 1deflected goal and other scored at point blank range.

    Santon 7.5 – Made good runs and looked shape. Defended well and helped in attack.

    Collo 8 – Had a good game. Got caught by berbatov a few times. Almost scored from a set piece with a brilliant header.

    Willo 3 – Why do we have him in our team? Does nothing for us. His game is too predictable. I cringe every time he touches the ball. He cant run ffs. Somebody get him a wheel chair. Worst defender in the PL. Needs to be gone ASAP

    Simmo 5 – Decent at the back. Under pressure throughout the match and struggled. Cant even cross. Needs to be replaced as well.

    Anita 8.5 – Worked hard, was everywhere in the park.

    Tioti 7 – Cleaver passing, worked hard, few silly passes that put us under pressure. Was lucky not to get booked.

    Jonas 4 – Lost in the park. Didn’t do anything creative, another player who cant cross and runs for 90mins. Won few free kicks – thats all he seems to be good at when he falls like a bag of potatoes everytime he’s touched.

    Ben Arfa 8 – A spark. Ran through holes and created chances. Gave us hope with his goal. Hope he doesn’t leave us in the next 2 years.

    Ba 7 – Ran everywhere and worked hard. Helped in defence. All shots at goal were weak.

    Cisse 6 – A striker who played more like a midfielder today. Few crosses and passes were way off the mark. Went to look for work on the left side. Cant remember if he had any shots at goal or was on target.

    The reason we lost was because MA didn’t invest in the team in summer. He knew we would be in Europe and only got in 3 players and let go of 3.
    What we missed today were 1) Speed 2) 2 quality defenders and a creative right winger to help out in attack. Willo shouldn’t play for NUFC AGAIN. He’s useless. Debuecy needs to come in and replace Simmo. Gutti’s doesn’t seem to fit the mould of our team and needs to go.

    Team played with great urgency after went went a goal down but Simmo, Willo and Jonas held the team back from a game we couldve won.

    I thought Campbell shouldve come on for Cisse with 20mins remaining and Perch shouldve started in Willo’s place.

    Tonight’s stars were: Krul, Collo, Santon, Anita and Ben Arfa

  • 229 FatmanJoe // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:00 AM

    Brutoon

    Oh and point 4. Portsmouth couldn’t afford to pay him. This is well known.

    Not a good post for u.

  • 230 cyprus // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:01 AM

    Fatman, agree. He wasn’t bad last night.

  • 231 RonVanDam // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:03 AM

    Newcastle striker Demba Ba will be sold to either Arsenal or Liverpool in the first week of the transfer window and they will attempt to replace him with Marseille’s France forward Loic Remy, 25.
    Full story: Daily Mirror

  • 232 FatmanJoe // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:06 AM

    How can u give a player 8 if he was caught out by berba a few times. That’s ridiculous. Simmo was decent tonight. Defensively sound and linked up well going forward. Williamson was pretty solid and guti made some pretty decent runs.

    We didn’t convert our chances.. End of.

  • 233 cyprus // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:07 AM

    Ron,
    Your well thought out points for each player and then your conclusion don’t quite match. You give more than 7/10 to eight players (!), then blame… MA! The way you argue it, the blame goes squarely on somebody else.

    Not that I disagree regarding players. To survive we need three READY game changers, at about 21 mil.

  • 234 jimmysmith // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:20 AM

    Yes, Guti was super industrious and was a real attacking outlet for us in the final 20 minutes. I felt he was certainly one of our better players. Collo caught wrong side for the headed goal but was otherwise good and had those two super efforts on goal. Cisse was poor, but is being played out of postion and really that experiment isn’t working. Not a great collective effort though, definitely have problems. I really think Pards has to insist Ba plays on the left with Cisse down the middle. It could be that simple.

  • 235 Preqwal // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:22 AM

    Mistakes cost us yet again. Tiote has been awful these past 4 games. Sloppy passing put us under pressure. Look when he gave the ball away to Berbatov. Who the hell was picking up Sidwell fo his goal. He should’ve been picked up by the midfield, he had acres of space!

    How many crosses did we put in the box too? It’s all fair and good putting crosses in but no ones getting onto the end of them. We need to change our game up. Ba and Cisse work best running onto through balls. We need to play through the oppositions defence.

    At least it was a better performance than against Southampton

  • 236 FatmanJoe // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:24 AM

    Jimmy I agree. And ba hasn’t exactly come out stating he wants to have a future here anyway. Why not put cisse in the role he’s inevitably going to be playing soon anyway and have ba in that role he played effectively last season.

    British media has to play a part in this. They got so wrapped up in his ‘lack of form’ when he was moved to the left.

  • 237 RonVanDam // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:32 AM

    Since its a given Ba that will be leaving, cisse needs to be playing in the middle to gets his confidence up. We wont get any more than 7.5m for his so he loses his prevaliges

  • 238 jimmysmith // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:36 AM

    I think Ba played well in a wider role last season and contributed greatly in some excellent Toon performances even though he didn’t score. It doesn’t follow he won’t score if played wider this time though. In fact, it seems likely he will, he’s in form.

    And yeah, why bend over backwards for one player, who really is angling for the big pay day or a move, particularly at the expense of our overall performance. It’s odd.

  • 239 RonVanDam // Dec 11, 2012 at 7:48 AM

    Looks like Pardew is allowing BA to play the starring role upfront hoping BA signs a new deal, in the meantime while doing so – BA is banging in the goals and attracting richer clubs to take notice of him. Its a win win for him and his agents for a big payday. His agent will his 5m fee and Ba gets his 90k a week wage.

    This season we have been taken “hostage” by one player. In order to make him stay, we have to bend over backwards just to satisfy him.

  • 240 hotdog // Dec 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM

    Ronvandam – I agree with your analysis but not your scores, should be lower.

    Look the bottom line is we are shipping goals. Another two last night meaning we are having to score three to win a game of football ( if my maths is correct ) :-). It starts with that defense. Look at hangeland last night barking orders pointing to players where he wanted them, basically seeing problems and organising, who of our players does that? Willo looks like he is going to cry at any moment!

  • 241 shearermania // Dec 11, 2012 at 8:03 AM

    okay so i have read pardews post game press conference where he states in the second half we were terrific and played our best attacking football! im normally avery positive person and im backing pardew to the hilt as i believe in stability but is it just me but i actually thought we were pi$$ poor – maybe less in the second but overall i cant remember any fluid attacking play…i can only remember the ball being played wide to simmo who floats a cross thats being headed towards the halfway line by hangeland….and everytime ba has the ball he attemps the outrageous attempt….
    our balance is soo wrong..i dont think its about formations – its just not happening, were to rigid, too predictable…….
    yes we got a few clowns in our team but they sort of desrve to have a go because of last season, but no its not looking good…..i do think there are worse teams out there ion the likes of mackems, villa, reading, qpr and wigan…i reckon we will be safe…just

  • 242 Ian Toon // Dec 11, 2012 at 8:05 AM

    Krul 8
    Simpson 6
    Coloccini 6
    Williamson 5
    Santon7
    Anita 7
    Tiote6
    Jonas 5
    Cisse 5
    Ba 6
    HBA 7

    Ron- Campbell wasn’t a sub.
    Tads- I agree with you ( I think it was your post) I would play Ba on the left of a front 3 with Cisse in the middle and HBA on the right.
    Despite his goals I would transfer him if he did not co-operate. The sweetener to him would be to put him on a wage par with Coloccini.
    Ba always gives of his best and should be supported .
    My Brother was at the game and he like Fatman mentioned the level of support which is always magnificent away from home let’s get behind the team at SJP.
    Catchy/ Beattie 25 and all the other sack Pardew negative bandwagon types.
    It’s not about systems. It’s about MA providing the finance to re- structure the defence and to permit the manager to have options by keeping or selling Ba and bringing someone else in necessary. Pardew has had to make do with the squad he has not what he would like it too be. We have a way to go before the window opens so get behind the whole team and make Catchy and his little helpers redundant.
    HWTL.
    Have a good day all fellow supporters.

  • 243 hotdog // Dec 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM

    Shearer – we were actually laughing last night when we played long ball after long ball for hangeland to head clear. Yes laughable the work on the training pitch during the week comes up with those tactics. A little frightening!!

  • 244 spudzzz // Dec 11, 2012 at 8:12 AM

    decent performance again…at least we have encouraging signs that we are starting to play again and actually creating chances which is saying a lot considering teh drivel we’ve been served up since start of season. the worrying thing though is tht we were solid defensively last season and this season we let in crap goals….Both goals are Collocini’s fault….hate to say it as i think he is a class above most players we have, but Collo had a bad game yesterday….. Hopefully that’s his quota of mistakes done for the season

  • 245 RonVanDam // Dec 11, 2012 at 8:14 AM

    @ cyprus

    The reason i blamed MA was he didn’t invest enough in the team. He just replaced the 3 players that went out. Diame was available for free, didn’t sign him. MA knew we were going to play more games this year, he shouldn’t have played hardball in the transfer window thinking he could replicate last years magic in this window when we were caught out by other clubs.
    As a business man, he should’ve had a contingency plan for injuries and suspension Now it has back fired thus the reason we are doing so poorly this season

  • 246 RonVanDam // Dec 11, 2012 at 8:17 AM

    @ Ian Toon
    Yes you are right. Campbell wasn’t on the bench lol

  • 247 spudzzz // Dec 11, 2012 at 8:19 AM

    @shearermania…..”.and everytime ba has the ball he attemps the outrageous attempt….”

    so true…. he is actually wasting great attacink situations by trying to smakck it in from 30 yards out when he has cisse or ben arfa free either side….Once he has the ball his blinkers come on unless 3 players surround him….he doesnt even try to look for the last pass…he just shoots from whatever position…..so fustrating

  • 248 Klam3r // Dec 11, 2012 at 8:37 AM

    Catchy and Beattie25 have some valid points. Pardews history as manager doesn’t exactly shine, and he is on that path here too. His teams seems to fade after a season. If that is lack of man management, motivating skills or tactical knowledge we don’t know(i do prefer 433 over 442 though…), but something is wrong in the manager/coaching department, also. This will be his test, to turn this around and show us that he can still develop as a manager/learn from his mistakes. He did say we lack Obertans pace, and i see that as a good sign of how he wants to play.

    Another factor is Ashley. He kind of forces Pards to play the way we do now, though i think he should do a lot better with the players he’s got! Every team needs new players before a new season. New energy is always good for a team, and it keeps the squad alert. Where the he** is our internal competition? Our youngsters aren’t there quite yet.

    So i think the problem is bigger than Willo, Simpson, Ba and Jonas. It’s bigger than Pardew and his coaching staff, but we need to start somewhere. For me it’s Ashley splashing cash on 2-3 players in january, and for Pardew to buy the right type of players for his vision. When that happens i’ll judge him.

    After a loss i always come out bashing(sorry for that), but that’s football for me. That’s how it is to be a fan with feelings. After a day or two i clear my head and see i’m a muppet sometimes. I kind of love that feeling ;)




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