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Newcastle Boss Admits To Demba Ba – Papiss Cisse Problems

9:35 am, Friday, December 14th, 2012 by Ed Harrison · 25 Comments

One of the things that’s never clicked in almost a year since Papiss Cisse arrived on Tyneside, is the link up play between Demba Ba and Papiss Cisse, and to us they seem far too similar in style to be a good striker partnership.

papiss cisse and demba ba talking

Papiss Cisse and Demba Ba – so what are we doing wrong?

When Papiss first arrived on Tyneside he was unbelievable, and in his first 14 games for Newcastle he hit 13 great goals, but Demba Ba had a rough time of it, and scored very few goals once Papiss arrived, and that was mainly because he was out on the left wing in a 4-3-3 formation.

This season it’s Demba Ba who has been the goalscorer with 10 goals in 16 league appearances, and Cisse has only two goals in the league, although he also has a couple of goals in Cup competitions, but he’ been nothing like the Cisse we knew from last season.

Alan Pardew has admitted it’s a bit of a dilemma trying two work out how they can play better together:.

“That’s a process we’re looking at, to try and get the best out of the two – Cissé and Ba. We do sometimes change within a game, like we did at Fulham, to try and do that.”

“Obviously the opposition try to disrupt this. They don’t want them to play well, so we have to find a way where they contribute. I thought at Fulham they did some good things, but that’s not to say we can’t improve it.”

“We’re still working to get the best out of them. We need Cissé scoring goals for this football club. We need him scoring special goals. It is a process we have done some work on.”

A fit Shola Ameobi is probably a better striker partner than Papiss Cisse at the moment, because he can lay chances on for Ba with his head-ons, although we could play 4-3-3 with Cisse on one of the wings, which the manager has been trying recently – and that may work.

But with two such great strikers it’s a real pity that they have not formed a good partnership at Newcastle, because they haven’t.

Maybe Alan Pardew will try something different tomorrow, and start Shola Ameobi up front with Ba.

What would you do with the formation, and who would you play up front?

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Tags: Coaching · Demba Ba · Newcastle News · Papiss Cisse





25 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:39 AM

    PPB

    Teetotaler mate, Teetotaler

  • 2 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    I normally agree with Catchy

    But If the dirty mackems can beat city 1-0 at home i think we can too. it will be a all mighty task. Doable none the less

    Who is with me.

  • 3 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:45 AM

    Indian….What’s Ed trying to do to you? Shola to start against Man City? Sit down and have a sugary tea, don’t want you going in to shock.

    Ed….My thoughts are play one ST. Either Ba or Cisse, don’t mind which tbh. I’d go for something along the lines of:

    —————–Krul—————–
    Simmo—Perch–Colo—Santon
    ———–Tiote–Guti————–
    —————Anita—————–
    ———Abeid—-Marv———-
    ————Cisse or Ba———–

    Only joking about Abeid :) Depending on Benny, either him or….ermm…..is Obertan back? Who else am I forgetting? Do we have more than 11 fit players?

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    There is no reason we can’t get a hard fought win. There has definitely been more fight in the players recently.

    I think we will struggle to get anything but a bit of luck and if we cut out the mistakes we do have players who can hurt city.

    Even when not playing well, Ba, Cisse and ben arfa can al make something from nothing.

  • 5 Dude // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    Playing Shola with Ba and Cisse was clueless. I don’t mind Shola as a sub with a particular job in mind, but that should be it. Think the back line picks itself tomorrow, but the middle needs to be Bigiramana and Tiote with Anita just ahead. I would then have Marveaux and Ben Arfa wide and Ba in the middle. Cisse is just out of sorts. Jonas was poor against Fulham and a rest may do him good (or a subs role against tiring legs). We can get something from tomorrow, but we’ll need a resilient defence and speed on the counter. This line-up gives us that.

  • 6 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    Indian….That’s the bloomin’ spirit! Of course it is manageable, I can certainly see where peoples doubt comes from. Even when we’re playing well City is a tough game these days, but we’re not done before we’ve even kicked a ball.

  • 7 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Ibiza,

    May be Ed thinks with transfer window about to open some 1 may bid for him

    Clutching on straws

  • 8 blew // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Senegal did not play them together, because the coaches said the players could not gel.
    1st mistake was G Carr being sent to scout Cisse, with Senegal assessment in mind.
    2nd mistake was Carr to recommend him
    3rd mistake was for Pardew to suggest the £9.5M deal to proceed.
    Guess what? Senegal were right.
    Newcastle regime got it wrong, the scouting should have been elsewhwere.

  • 9 Jail for Ashley // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    There’s going to be a big crowd there tomorrow I tried to get two tickets last night but couldn’t get two together.

  • 10 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Why joking about Abeid. He should be starting on Sat. He’s a exceptional talent.

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    Blew

    It would be fine to have them both provide you do one of two things.

    1. Rotate them as a central striker

    2. sacrifice ba a little by playing him on the left of a front 3

  • 12 JAMSHA // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    ———krul————
    simo-wilo-colo-santon
    —tiote–anita–jonas—-
    arfa——————marvo
    ————ba————

  • 13 veto // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:53 AM

    what look’s like has happened to me …
    after cisse started lighting up the net after Ba had done all the first half of the season , Ba started to run dry and hit a real goal drought .
    after this he started to get more selfish with the ball , you notice he is not fond of passing these days and would rather go for goal himself … fine with me aslong as he’s scoring and we are winning i guess , but we are not winning .

  • 14 catchy in norway // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:54 AM

    Ibizatoon

    krul

    simpson/tav, colo , willo, santon i dont like perch in def

    ——–tiote, bigi
    ———–anita
    marv———– ferg
    ——–cisse

    if HBA is playing anita would drop to where bigi is,,

    id be asking the wingers as soon as they get the ball stretch the play to oprn the defence and give cisse some space in the box when/if the balls get in

    i think both HBA and anita are both good at shooting too

  • 15 catchy in norway // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    colo has to be right side of the center,, we are to weak there with both willo and simpson on that side

  • 16 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    Any one saw that piece on Jonas in the Daily mail

    I dont why some of you just laugh off a national Daily.

  • 17 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    @Indian old monk i bought

  • 18 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:57 AM

    Kets….The joke wasn’t obvious? It was a dedication to you. Honestly, I don’t feel he is ready yet and have seen nothing to suggest he is other than promise. I do think he will be great though, just that he’s not there yet.

    Indian….Yeah, wouldn’t get your hopes up on that one, I would bet Shola will retire with us.

    Blew….Buying Cisse was a mistake? Playing the two up front as a 2 is a mistake. We need more than one or two quality strikers. Ideally it’d be great if they can play together, so additions are needed, but I can’t accept signing Cisse was a mistake, not at all.

    Jail…..Well that’s good. Stadium will be full and you wont have to pay to witness a severe butt slapping. Silver lining and all that.

  • 19 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 9:57 AM

    PPB,

    Yes i saw, i was just saying that i am a teetotaler

  • 20 89Norcal // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    Still curious if Pardew will ever play Ba directly behind Cisse in a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1. That way they are both central, can run across each other to create space, and can lay off a short pass to the open man in the final third.

    Either that or bench one of them. Not much else he can do.

  • 21 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Indian…Do you have a link?

    Catchy…So, is that a team you think could win then? I’m also not a huge fan of Perch at CB, but his positioning and tackling is better than Willo and Man Citys front line in’t really tall, is it? Mind you, they do have some big players in the team, so maybe Willo. Tbh, I’m not that fussed which of the two of them, let them arm wrestle for it before kick off, it could be part of their warm up.

  • 22 rfcready // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    Players: Pavel Srnicek, Steve Watson, Darren Peacock, Steve Howey, Brian Kilcline, John Beresford, Rob Lee, Lee Clark, Ruel Fox, Paul Bracewell, Keith Gillespie, Liam O’Brien, Alan Shearer, Les Ferdinand, Tino Asprilla, Mark Allison, Robbie Elliott, Steve Harmison…
    sigh………..

  • 23 blew // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:29 AM

    Sage @ 11
    Agreed, if only the manager had the balls

  • 24 wynsleap // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    rfcready @ 22 – Mark Allison? – who??

  • 25 lesh // Dec 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Get a grip and just accept that the only way they can play together is if one’s not playing as a central striker. Even Senegal doesn’t play the two together!

    Given Demba Ba’s risky leg condition, surely it’d make sense to let him go and play Cisse as striker – we know he can do the business for us.

    A bonus to letting DB going could be that there’d be no need to plan a game around him and, and if there is any, remove any catalyst to dressing room disharmony.




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