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Pardew – Tiote OK But Jonas Struggling For Form

10:45 am, Friday, December 14th, 2012 by Ed Harrison · 95 Comments

We think Cheick Tiote’s form has been nowhere near his best this season, and he keeps making silly mistakes, like giving away the free kick on the edge of the penalty area last Monday night at Craven Cottage, that cost Newcastle a possible big win.

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Cheick Tiote - nowhere near his best form

And another player who is nowhere near his best form is Argentine International Jonas Gutierrez, and Alan Pardew has talked about both players and their form today, in the local press:

“You have to think about what stimulates the player. Cheick’s performance against Fulham was hot and cold – he did a lot of really good things in that game.” “His stats look really good, but he made two or three big errors that almost cost us a goal, which is unusual for him.”

“It’s not a major issue. It’s not like he was struggling to get around the pitch or that his percentage of passing was way down. That would be a major concern, but there isn’t a lot to be concerned about with him.”

“Jonás, on the other hand, has had a difficult season and I think we’re looking to get a little bit more from him.” “We want him to be more positive and give us a little more je ne sais quoi in the final third. He is battling for that at this moment in time.”

“He’s a player who has done great for us and I have faith in him. I hope he repays that.”

Alan Pardew somehow has to get the very best out of the players he has, and that’s a large part of what being a good manager, and it’s really important when the lads are struggling, as we are at the moment.

Newcastle need both these players to step up to the plate starting tomorrow, in the early game against Manchester City (12:45 pm kickoff), and it will be a great result if we can get anything at all out of the game, which to us looks unlikely.

But that’s what the lads need to do.

What do you think?

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95 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Joe Blog // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    Tiote played well, from a Fulham perspective. Most overrated player in the squad.

  • 2 catchy in norway // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    “He’s a player who has done great for us and I have faith in him. I hope he repays that.”

    he has not done well for us for a long time in the final third

    it all changed when muppet decided to play raylor at lb, and told jonas to cover him, ever since then, he has been a shadow of the player we know,,

    that final third, jonas spends about 5mins per match up there now,, and pardew knows this, he is now deployed as a DMC

  • 3 Graeme // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    I think Jonas needs to be rested – he looks jaded, is completely off the pace, has NO end product, unless he falls over and wins a free kick.

    If he wins a free kick, well, you might as well just pass it back to their keeper for all the good it will do us – How many MONTHS since we scored from a dead ball situation?? I know Pardeaux has said they are addressing it on the training pitch – but where are they addressing it too?? Certainly not to our strikers, that’s for sure!!

  • 4 catchy in norway // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    Ibizatoon – Back by popular demand

    i dont think we will win tomorrow, fullstop,

    i think we will get steam rollerd,, i know you said the wigan game was an improvement, with 10 men, it looked more of a fair fight ,, tomorrow i think it will be like palying against 14 men,,,

    wigan lacked good forwards and passed all day, with no product, tevez and aguero will be all over, droppin deep,,

    like i said earlier, we lack leadership on and off the pitch

    the team is the one id be playing tomorrow, and your right about perch or willo at CB, i think perch flaps more at CB, he seems more comfertable infront of them, i think his tackling is good, the preasure at CB gets t him

  • 5 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:57 AM

    Catchy…Let’s hang on to this Perch at CB issue, it seems it’s one of few things we agree on (not sure it’s middle ground, but we could call it a middle step :) ).

    There is a difference between playing well and playing beautiful football. I do think we were playing well even before they went down to 10 men. We’ll never know what would have happened without the red card, but that shouldn’t take away from how we played imo. On the same hand, we can’t say it’s a game that has turned anything around. Just small steps.

  • 6 Rotonda heights // Dec 14, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    So why keep playing Jonas? people should be in on merit not bcause he’s a pardew favourite. Stop worrying about being defensive all the time and take the game to the opposition.

    Ok I know we can maybe have to write off a few games in December but I am liking the rumours of M’Biwa, Sissoko and Remy. I just hope it doesn’t turn out to be carroll who comes through the door in Jan, my neck can’t take all the craning as it is!

    433
    Krul

    Anita M’ Biwa Colo Santon

    Sissoko Tiote Cabs

    Benny Cisse/Ba Marveaux/ Remy

    4231

    Krul

    Anita M’ Biwa Colo Santon

    Sissoko Tiote

    Benny Cabs Marveaux/ Remy

    Cisse/Ba

  • 7 RonVanDam // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    Pardew as a manager is being measured this season. He’s got a talented group of players and he still cannot get the best out of them, no set plays, wrong tactics and bad run of results. Im honestly starting to believe he got his coaching badge from a cereal box

  • 8 catchy in norway // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    Ibizatoon

    we are getting down to the fine print now then ;)

    yes i know,, but i didnt see much improvement, and we will never know, like you say, the red card changed the game, the result is what mattered most on the day,,

    i think moral is veryyyy low right now, and the players will loook at the fixtures and say huuuuuhhhhh

    our team right now playes with now width or no MF, without HBA in MF we have nothing, BA drops very deep to try and get things going, but i would want him higher up the pitch,, pulling defenders around, both him and cisse

  • 9 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    I agree with catchy @ 2

    He spends 5 minute over there and comes back with a NOSE BLEED

  • 10 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    Hypothetically speaking

    What would shola be worth, if we paid them 3 million will they take him

  • 11 obatoyou // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    got man city and norwich on a multi, cmon baby!~
    Norwich a great bet at $2.11

  • 12 Dannyo // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:23 AM

    A performing Jonas is a great flair player to have.
    But the truth is, his form has been spiraling down for nearly a year now, since last christmas.
    Also, his “good days” and further and further apart. I dunno if he’ll ever “come back”.
    AP keeps fielding him, just like he did Obertan, but Jonas is at the wrong end of his age.
    I dunno, ofc i hope he comes good, but i honestly cannot see it.

  • 13 BelfastMagpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Why hasn’t been dropped then ?

    I hope people stop making excuses for Jonas now. He’s been rubbish this season.

  • 14 Rotonda heights // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Colo-sus from aprevious thread

    Catchy isn’t boring me. He’s saying it like it is. There’s me, Stuart, Robin van dam, cockney magpie and a lot of others who are saying it like it is too. Some people seem in complete denial like pardew is some coaching guru. He isn’t!!

    Even with a couple of injuries we still have vastly superior players to the likes of stoke, swansea, west ham, southampton, Fulham, Wigan etc. Some managers could only dream of managing the likes of Benny, Cabs, Colo etc

  • 15 obatoyou // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    Crikey! Radamel scored another 5 goals on Sunday, see what he can do against Barcelona this weekend if fit.
    We should be going in for him in January.

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    Can’t see him coming good, if we had a bigger squad maybe some rest and the odd reserve game might help him come good…just get his flair back.

    I hate to see him played every week out of form…he has been a legend for the club, just a genuine honest pro who seems to have a love of football and NUFC.

    I just hope fans don’t turn on him and remember what he did and that, although he is out of form, he is still giving his all for us.

  • 17 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    Rotonda

    There are 3 groups, Yours, Ibiza’s and Me :mrgreen:

  • 18 Joe Blog // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Indian

    Hypothetically speaking, of course, Shola would score the winner in a match, as you croaked on your death bed, that being the final image you see on this Earth.

  • 19 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    obatoyou

    he will head to madrid…no chance of him coming to us.

  • 20 obatoyou // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    riddle me this fellas, does one have to go down in the penalty area to get a penalty if one is fouled? or can one get a penalty if one does not go down?

  • 21 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Thanks Joe, that ain’t gonna happen

  • 22 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    obatoyou

    In theory you do not need to go down to win a penalty……however ref’s never really give them if you don’t.

  • 23 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    OBA

    Don’t have to go down,

  • 24 Adssy Mccc // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    On Jonas:

    I thought I could see a bit more positivity from him against Fulham. He treid to take people on a bit more than of late. On a few occasions he showed good feet and went past people like he used to do. He seemed to be adapting his game into something else from the start of the season and it seems he’s now being asked to go back to more of his old ways. Let’s just hope he can remember how he used to play. Granted, poor final ball is something he’s always had, but he used to cause teams problems with his direct play!

    On the general theme of the game tomorrow:

    If they score early in the game… Our players will know that they are in for it and heads will drop I reckon. first 25 minutes will be massively important!!

    HWTL

  • 25 obatoyou // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Can’t remember seeing a pen given without the player going down, discluding handballs and passbacks..

    remember when someone did a passback against us, penalty was awarded after Shearer haggled with the ref.

    Is passback always a penalty too? Haven’t seen one since that day, can’t remember the game..

  • 26 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    OBA

    Pass back is a INDIRECT FREE KICK,

    Remember the penalty we got at stoke last season

  • 27 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    passback is an indirect free kick…never a panalty

  • 28 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    TS are you Jim beglin

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    who’s jim beglin?

  • 30 obatoyou // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    oh, must be remembering incorrectly.. think we scored from it, the one im remembering about 10 years ago

    you can have an indirect free kick in the box ay

    do you think we’ll buy our players at the end of the transfer window or at the beginning, beginning is only 2 weeks away.

  • 31 obatoyou // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    don’t u know Jim Beglin? Big star man, totally awesome dude

  • 32 Indian Magpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    TS a former player, who pronounces it like you spelt it.

    OBA

    Yes Against WBA if i remember correctly

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    indian

    ah right…never even realised i had made a mistake with penalty haha.

    How did you find the test today?

  • 34 obatoyou // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    i was kiddin mate, never heard of jim beglin

  • 35 obatoyou // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    indian made him up

  • 36 RonVanDam // Dec 14, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    jim beglin is a irish LB who played for Liverpool during their golden years in the 80s

  • 37 JAMSHA // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    pardew thinks 2 players are enough wtf

  • 38 BrightonMag // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    TBH, most of our team haven’t played well this season, when Cabaye’s not been injured he wasn’t looking anywhere near his best. Ba is selfish, doesn’t pass to Cisse and is in effect holding Pardew to ransom over the Central striker position, unless AP can find a way for both players to play together and both be happy then I’m not sure the partnership will work. Jonas has been woeful at times this season. I think we’ve been quite lucky that Bigi has stepped up to the plate incredibly well for a young guy when needed, Marveaux has also looked good from what I’ve seen of him.

    Still, gotta bear in mind that AP hasn’t been able to play the same team in consecutive matches once this season, the team can’t gel properly. You can play the blame game all you like, we’ll see how January goes, I just hope MA splashes some of his new found wealth from Sports Direct and ivests in the future of this team. I’m still confident that once we have a full team available again we’ll pull ourselves away from the relegation zone.

  • 39 BelfastMagpie // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Jim Beglin is the annoying kernt with the irish accent that does the commentary for Itv..

  • 40 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    I thought against Fulham Jonas looked better, but he has been struggling all season. I saw a bit more from him at Fulham though.

    Against man city, if we keep their fullbacks in there own half, they have no width. There only option then will be to play through the middle with silva and nasri, and I’m sure Anita and tiote can keep them under control.
    If the gods are on our side tommorow, then we can win.

    My formation would be:
    41311
    Santon perch colo Jonas
    Tiote
    Ben arfa Anita fergie/sammy
    Ba
    Cisse

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    Conaldo

    Like the thinking but I dont think Ba works behind Cisse.

    Ba when played slightly deeper seems to just get forward anyway as he wants goals.

    Got to be be Ba out left or cisse on the bench for me.

  • 42 Graeme // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Wizard, it looks like Ben10 is out with a hamstring problem again!! I have decided we should go flat out for the win with a 3 – 4 – 3 or a 3 – 3 – 4 and go for broke!!

    Alternately is to go 5 – 4 – 1 and try and hang on for a point lol

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    I’d like to see a 433

    simmo, perch, colo, santon
    tiote
    anita,marv
    benny, cisse, ba

    I’d really like tiote to be told to stay deep…he offered barely anything going forward and just shoots too much. Also staying back he can cover for a full back if they attack and also not be running towards our goal to break up play (more likely to get booked)

  • 44 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    Yeah I know. I’m still hoping that Pardew is bluffing about Ben Arfa again though.

  • 45 cole the goal // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    For the club to move forward we need to drop jonas, he looks like he has lost a yard of pace, and how many goals has he been involved in over the last few years – not many.

    Williamson is a big dope, and is no were near enough good enough, even for back up.

    Chiek i believe is over rated, hopefully a matter of time before bigi steps into his boots.

    as the game is no longer as physcial as it was we need people that a really comfortble on the ball, neither of the above 3 do it for me.

    i honestly beleiev it will be a blessing in disguise is demba is sold. too much in the papers about it and pardew either needs to play one of the other, him and cisse just dont link up. cisse is our number 9 and here to stay so for me he needs to start

  • 46 Ian Toon // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    Catchy- Did you hear of the message from Nagpur. Graeme Swan has sent a good luck message to Alan Pardew, Team and fans all over the world for the game against Man City.

  • 47 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    Ian

    Got to love graeme swann…top guy

  • 48 Ian Toon // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    Transfer
    He’s spreading the love this Christmas !

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    Ian

    What’s the odds pardew gets slated by some if we lose tomorrow?

    For me tomorrow is one of few games a season I expect us to get nothing out of and won’t be too disapoitned if we get beat.

    City are a very talented side so a draw is a very godo result, even at home.

    Obviously I want the win but I can’t blame pardew if he is bested by a better manager with better players.

    As long as he has the team fired up and playng for the full 90 minutes (something we have failed to do for a long time, only seem to play when we go a goal down) then I wont complain.

  • 50 Ian Toon // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    Transfer – Who is Cheryl Ferguson?

  • 51 studsy // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    Transfer – i dont know if you noticed against fulham but tiote stayed back constantly, at times he could of dribbled the ball 20yards over the half way line, but looked like he had been told to pass, at which point on counter attacks fulham had our attack covered.

    Im not saying he needs to be more attacking in his play, but if the chance arises, he should be allowed to plow up while another cm takes his role

  • 52 619nufc // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    So, reading between the lines, they’ve been our best 2 players this season??

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM

    ian

    no idea…why?

  • 54 Tommyy // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    I fully expect a loss tomorrow. Think we all do, therefore I can’t see much moaning and grumbling if we offer a good account of ourselves.
    What will get me frustrated (and many other no doubt) is if we see the same old ‘hoofball with no idea’ football and we get embarrassed.
    Would be content with a 3 – 0 loss where we looked threatening and were competing throughout the 90 minutes. Would be upset if we get beaten 2 – 1 but we looked like we didn’t have a clue and the score could have been huge.
    That’s my stance and I think it’s a reasonable one.

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    studsy

    Yeh I thought he did do a bit better against fulha, against wigan he was getting forward too much and wasting possession with shots where he was never going to score.

    I think he just needs to keep it simple, sit and protect the back 4, then give the ball to anita, ben arfa, marvoux..whoever is around him and let the better passers/dribblers deal with creating.

    Obviously if we have a chance to counter and he can make a godo one two or get up to support then fair enough…but in general I would prefer him to hold his position more.

  • 56 Ian Toon // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Transfer– are you being serious! He’s being slated on here by all and sundry already. A fair number of posters are pretty clueless and some just like to be on what they envisage being the winning side. They lack credibility. I would drastically start reevaluating my position if Taquila ( who has a measured experienced football knowledge)for example, started looking for the nearest life boat- LOL.
    None of us are immune from peer and media pressure. My call is well stated and I think our fortunes will slowly pick up. Players need to show more determination and flair.

  • 57 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    So what’s the problem with putting Marveaux and Abeid in the starting line-up? We can’t keep putting players in the team who are under-performing. Sign Alderewerield and Debuchy, sell Tiote and then sign Sissoko and Remy. Job done for a few months.

  • 58 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    Ian

    People will criticise pardew if we lost to barca.

    I agree with some of it that he has underperformed as a manager this year but no need to sack him yet.

    Even if we sacked him now it’s never easy to get a good manager in mid season.

    I stand by my opinion of leaving him to the en of the year and see how we are then.

  • 59 Tinman // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    Tiote was one of our worst players against Fulham no doubt about it. He kept giving the ball away! Pretty sure it was him who gave away the ball with a shocking pass which gave Berbatov a 1 on 1 chance against Krul. Should have been 2 goals he cost us…

  • 60 Ian Toon // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    Transfer—Sounds like a stay of execution to me. Time will tell. I fancy us to surprise a lot of people tomorrow with or without HBA.

  • 61 Graeme // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    Some interesting facts and figures on EMO while at Stoke from Yahoo -

    Michael Owen’s pay at Stoke has been…
    …£25,000 per week
    …£6,839 per minute on the pitch
    …£13,425 for every touch of the ball
    …£362,500 for every shot at goal
    …£Infinity for every goal.
    If you think that’s bad, at least Stoke only have Owen on a 12-month deal. His injury-ravaged four-years at Newcastle ended up costing the Magpies £494,000 for every appearance and £1.3 million for every goal their star signing made. Admittedly, however, he clocked in at a slightly more affordable £5,485 per minute during that stint.

    Owen should carry a Health Warning – Seriously Bad for your WEALTH if you employ him lol

  • 62 wreker16 // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    Transfer

    I think that against city it’s more a case of performance than result. I too don’t really expect anything from the game, however that doesn’t mean we cant put in a good performance. If all the players run for the full match and at least try to do something then that will do for me

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    Ian

    I want nothing more than for him to turn it around but if the football and results don’t improve by the summer, or show signs of improving then he has failed massively.

    But that’s a long way away yet, 1-0 to Newcastle on Saturday to get us back ok track.

  • 64 Tinman // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    Ketsbaia9 @57

    Totally agree with not playing underperforming players. Harry Redknapp, arguably the best English manager atm, said straight away at QPR he will drop any underporforming players regardless of Champions Leagure credentials

  • 65 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Wreker

    Same for me. As long as we make them warn whatever they get that’s the minimum really.

    If we think we should be beating west ham naturally city will be thinking they should beat us.

  • 66 619nufc // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Does anyone actually believe that Ben Arfa is out for tomorrow?

    Just like how he was ‘out’ for the Spurs game??

  • 67 Tinman // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:29 PM

    Most people are saying we dont expect anything against Man City at home this season. The way we have played I totally agree.

    Last season with the same group of players we didnt expect to lose to anyone at home. We only lost 3 games at home all last season againts Man City, West Brom and Chelsea. What happened?

  • 68 Tinman // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM

    619nufc, I think he will play

  • 69 stuart no9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    transfer sage @49- shocking- THAT just goes to show how much of a fan you are ” you wont be dissappointed if we get beat !!!!!! i for 1 will be gutted, even yhough i think we will get beat , i will be gutted, anyone else wont be dissappointed if we get beat ??????

  • 70 Tinman // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:48 PM

    It will, as usual, ruin my day if we get beat

  • 71 Zero // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    @Kets 57

    erm yes drop players who are under performing sure, but only when you have players who can perform better, im sorry but after Marvs and Abieds recent performance in the Euro cup you cannot say they are of suffiecient quality to play against a half decent EPL side let alone against Man city….

    Also your signings… again i dont think you A) Comprehend Cost and more importantly B) Why would they want to come to us in our current form?

    Alderewerield and Remy have had intrest from other EPL teams such as Spurs, Liverpool even Arsenal.

    Debs has already said he aint moving till summer, plus MA couldnt buy him before, we will get charged more in january cause they know were desperate, hence no debs coming.

    SELL TIOTE …are you mad, yes his form is off, but sell him to buy a player to replace him….erm yeah so now we have a new player not adapted to the EPL and no extra depth…brilliant idea!

  • 72 Tommyy // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    Lack of confidence, lack of signings, lack of fit players, lack of defensive stability and organisation, lack of fluidity, lack of performance. That’s what’s happened.

  • 73 Tinman // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    Tommyy, which of those do you blame Pardew for?

  • 74 gaz 44 // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    really quite worried about tomorrow.. are form is terrible and although city have been patchy they just lost to manure so have a point to prove.. i think we could be looking @ a 4 or more score line

  • 75 Zero // Dec 14, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    Tinman surely Pards can be blamed for all of them bar the signings and injuries… but which manager could have done better?

  • 76 stuart no9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    tommy @72 yep i totally agree – everything has gone tits up, putting it very mildly .

  • 77 Zero // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    PARDS OUT WENGER IN,
    PARDS OUT WENGER IN,

    ALL TOGETHER NOW

    lol

  • 78 Tinman // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    I think Pardew is the manager for the job but he needs to give himself a massive shake. Like you say there is no manager right now who would come to this club and do a better job…
    He should be told publicly he has untill the end of the season to do something. Maybe that will make him think about things more

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    staurt

    football is not the be all and end all of my life. If we lose I’m never happy about it but it doesn’t upset me, it’s just a game.

    What I also said was

    “Obviously I want the win but I can’t blame pardew if he is bested by a better manager with better players.”

    Why get ourselves upset over losing to the better team? I would love to be here tomorrow afternoon praising the players on a great win but i certainly won’t be losing sleep if we get beat of the champions.

  • 80 Tommyy // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    I blame Pardew partly for the lack of confidence (Not playing to players strengths etc) aswell as lack of defensive organisation and lack of fluidity, and possibly partly performance. Obviously he cannot accept complete blame because it also comes down to the players and the other coaches etc and in some instances us fans.
    The rest I cannot realistically blame Pardew for, that’s down to the board, luck and the players ultimately.

  • 81 Tinman // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    Martinez…. But would he even want to come to us now? We are a much bigger club than Wigan but they outclassed us with 10 men

  • 82 Zero // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    I think Wenger would come, since we nearly have/soon to have most the French national squad… instead of spashing cash on players who wont/carnt play how pards want, spash the cash on a decent manager who could get the best out of our current players with a few additions.

  • 83 stuart no9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    zero @ 75 – mourinio, sir alex, ” pep,” it is not the players we have , it is the tactics and the way we approach games that are beating us – we have decent players who should be able to perform , IF they are allowed to. KK would sort them out as well!!!

  • 84 obatoyou // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    stuart no9 won’t be disappointed at all mate
    get used to losing, been numbed i think since england lost to portugal on penalties when gerrard and lampard both missed. wasn’t even phased when we was relegated tbh
    mayb somethin wrong wit me!~

  • 85 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Exactly. That’s why we’re struggling. If Pardew would’ve dropped Williamson, Simpson and Gutierrez earlier on, we’d probably be in a mid-table position now. He definitely needs to give Marveaux, Amalfitano and Abeid a run-out in the first team.

  • 86 Tommyy // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    The thing that annoys me about Pardew, is that he just doesn’t seem to learn. He has been in the management business for a long time now, having managers such as Brendan Rodgers work beneath him in the process.
    Yet Brendan Rodgers has got Liverpool playing some good football (not always got the results) with a just as small squad in less than half the time at Liverpool than Pardew has had here.
    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Rodgers but it cannot be denied that he knows how to manage and to coach.
    I just don’t feel as though Pardew has the ability when it boils down to it. Everything he does seems to be reactionary rather than visionary. He has had good players for almost 18 months now, yet we have seen relatively little good football. Every game played appears to be set up as a reaction to what the opposition might do. Never focuses on our own game first, like the top managers do.
    That said I don’t want him gone as he brings us stability and is a decent man manager it seems.
    There are just a lot of mysteries at the moment which leave you scratching your head.

  • 87 stuart no9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    transfer- but to say you wont be dissappointed, i really dont believe that is a true comment .

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    Stuart

    Maybe it’s how i am using the words.

    You could maybe say I will not be shocked if we lose but possibly a bit disappointed.

    But at the same time I look at city and man utd as bonus games. Expect to lose and anything else is a bonus.

    All other games I believe we should be going into expecting a point at least.

  • 89 stuart no9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    transfer- i forgot to mention, maybe that is your way of prepairing your self for the worst, so that when the time comes, and we do get a spanking , you have had almost 24 hours to get over it already,lol. so the dissapointment has already gone? i think it must be a built in mechanism within us ,used as a defensive tool .

  • 90 Zero // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    I agree with transfer… is this the first time??

    Man city and Man Utd are bonus games if we pull one point from them i class that as a win.

    Arsenals current form i would expect atleast 1 point if not a cheeky win, as for QPR if we lose we deserve to go down.

    the wrap up of December should be realistically 1 point from either of the manchester games 3 points from qpr and maybe 1-3 from arsenal.

    total 5-7 points

  • 91 619nufc // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    Does anyone else think our problems lay deeper than the usual ‘Blame Pardew!’ or ‘blame Ashley’, or even ‘blame the players!’

    I genuinely think a problem we have is our coaches on the training ground. Do John Carver and Steve Stone really striker you all as people who can mastermind great passing football? Just a thought..

  • 92 stuart no9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    obatoyou @84 the one good thing about you is -at least you can identify the fact that their is something wrong with you, . acceptance , rather than denial is the first step to a full recovery!

  • 93 stuart no9 // Dec 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    619nufc @ 91 yeah i do agree. i think it stems from the core of our club, i also think the physio, medical staff, strength and conditioning coaches ( if we have one ) need ” revitalising” some thing is wrong with our system .

  • 94 Made a ma beed // Dec 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    Along with Cisse and Williamson easily our worst players this season. Starting EVERY game knowing that 4 players are going to play crap is a big ask. Surprised we have even got a point!

  • 95 toonicle // Dec 14, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Read between the lines and Guti is starting again tomorrow. Ugh.




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