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After Sixth Loss In Seven Games – Big QPR Game Coming Up

8:00 pm, Saturday, December 15th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 92 Comments

Newcastle started the game well and were on the front foot until Manchester City cut our defense to ribbons after 10 minutes, and Sergio Aguero scored, and then Javi Garcia got a goal when he headed in from a corner after 39 minutes, and although Demba Ba got one back after 51 minutes – his 11th Premier league goal of the season, another soft goal from Yaya Toure did us in today at St. James’ Park.

vurnon anita - with funny look

Vurnon Anita – had great game today for Newcastle

And Alan Pardew gave a good display after the game of a manager who didn’t seem too worried after our sixth loss in the last seven league games:

“I look at us and I have been in runs with other teams and I have played in some teams as well where you don’t feel you can score, and that’s a real worry, when you don’t think you have got a goal in the team.”

“But you have to say over the last three or four games, you can’t say that about us. We look like we have got goals.” “We are just missing a bit of concentration, a little bit of resilience.” “At 2-1, we were really, really in a game there with a team who you couldn’t say had played poorly.”

“They were right at it, Manchester City, so there are a lot of positives for us.” “Unfortunately, it’s zero points and that’s putting us under pressure now going into QPR, which we know here is a big game now.”

Alan’s right, because at 2-1 Papiss Cisse missed a great chance to score, and just like at Fulham last Monday night it looked like Newcastle could win the game, but then a soft goal did us in again, as Danny Simpson was badly at fault for City’s third goal – and his mind seemed elsewhere today.

But the lads fought back,  and if we can keep the fighting spirit we can still climb that league – but we are dropping an awful lots of points and that’s worrying – and we have only 4 points from the last eight league games, and wins is what we now need – in abundance.

We didn’t expect anything out of this game and we didn’t get anything out of the game – but the second half will give Newcastle fans some hope that we can beat QPR next Saturday.

And hopefully we’ll get a packed out stadium for that game, although QPR won for the first time in the league today, with a good 2-1 win over Fulham with Adel Taarabt getting a couple of second half goals.

We need a win next Saturday and we can expect to face a confident QPR side.

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92 responses so far ↓

  • 1 jimmysmith // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM

    Simpson, Willo, Perch, Cisse as a winger – if we are playing a top team, we might just get away with one of them playing, but not two, three or god forbid all four.

    Cisse is a striker who needs to go head to head with Ba for the strikers role, the other three are worthy players but need to be down the pecking order.

    We need a top fullback, centre back and a genuine winger to address our lack of depth and more importantly balance.

    Great game, City were at times brilliant and we dug in and battled hard which was heartening. No one let us down although Santon’s defensive weaknesses were utterly exposed early doors and it needs mentioning that Willo more than held his own against world class opposition.

  • 2 Jail for Ashley // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    Who would have thought after las seasons achievement s that a seriously dire like QPR team would be the biggest game of our season to date, I personally blame Mike Ashley and his criminally nonchalant attitude toward our great football club and the the people that support it.

  • 3 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:21 PM

    Jimmy – I think perch deserves to be considered as a first team player, an that’s not just exaggeration.
    He is really composed on the ball, is not afraid to tackle or put his head in, and always looks to play it on the floor.
    But I agree, our weaknesses and lack of depth showed today. But I was more than happy with the performance today, best we’ve played all season IMO.

  • 4 Graeme // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:24 PM

    Sorry Ed, just dont agree that we got nothing out of this game.

    It was by far and away the best performance of the season, so far. With just a little more luck, we could have had a draw and it wouldn’t have been undeserved.

    If we can play like that, for the rest of the season, there will be absolutely NO concerns about a relegation battle. At times, we looked superb.

  • 5 Jail for Ashley // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    How on earth did the signing of Cisse the virgin deal and the emotional birth of my daughter cloud my judgement as to what a fat horrible self centred Cockney cnut Mashley really is.

  • 6 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:27 PM

    Perchino had a good game today as did willo goid performance from the lads and a very harsh score line tbf
    Still can’t believe the stick demba is getting though its bordering on embarrassing
    The only player who i genuinely believed look out of place when we turned up the pressure was simmo, normally at least he’s defensivly sound but willo had to bail him time and time again today

  • 7 jimmysmith // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Jail, fair comment, Ash has been negligent. I find it hard as a Geordie and a fan not to take it personally.

  • 8 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:29 PM

    Like it 🙂

  • 9 toonking // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:31 PM

    jimmy why is it people like yourself will put willo down as such a poor defender yet santon is thought of as a decent on when as one person pointed out on an earlier thread the reason pardew probably doesn’t drop jonas is he needs him to help santon yet on the right wing he plays HBA when fit who does not do much to help the RB at all.
    does this not prove santon is poor worse than simmo as a defender ?
    out of all defenders i personally think raylor was our best FB and ever since he has been dropped and now missing through injury our defence has plummeted
    and don’t say that the teams we played were rubbish because this year we have leaked goal against poor teams
    the defensive line up i would like next season would be
    raylor colo CB LB
    santon the way things are looking could be much better as a winger

  • 10 jimmysmith // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    I have never, ever seriously put Willo down as a poor defender, not once. He gives a 100% and did very well today. I simply don’t think he is a regular part of our future going forward and I think that’s the consensus view.

  • 11 thai-mag // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    I wonder how much sh** we will have to be in before Pardew tries to change it, it’s just not working, I’m pleased I’m in Thailand now and dont have to to pay to watch that crap every week, I feel sorry for the supporters who fork out every week, RANT OVER

  • 12 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM

    @thai-mag guess u didnt watch the game… AP changed things including formation (we played 4-3-3 cisse RW) and we were the better team for atleast the whole of the 2nd half. We deserved a draw and were really unlucky. Player wise AP has little choice an cant really change anything. Like i said earlier he cant put marv in or else our leftside will be exposed. Santon isnt a good enough defender yet (only 21 so it will come). When you see our team just pretend jonas is LB and santon is LM cause thats how it normally pans out.

    We will find out weather AP has learnt a lesson or not. If when hba is back he keeps 4-3-3 (or whatever) we know he has learnt something but if he goes back to 4-4-2 to make ba & cisse happy we will know he hasnt learnt shit. I personally wud do this until cabaye is back


    4-3-3 with anita linking play.
    Hba can keep swapping wings, depending on which side he gets more succes. When he is on the right, ba is on the left. When he is on the left cisse is on the right.
    Ba’s goals are the only thing giving us a chance, yes. But atm hba is our most important player, atleast until cabaye is back its important we get the best out of him, and base our team on what is best for him imo.
    If hba plays well our ST will get chances weather its from the left or right and weather its from ba or cisse

  • 13 jimmysmith // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    Conaldo, James Perch has undoubtedly come on leaps and bounds, but in my view is not yet a player who could hold down a first team spot in a legitimate top 6 side, but he seems a player of real character and commitment and I think there’s more to come from him. Good player for sure.

  • 14 woodsee // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    Williamson is shite,slow cumbersome doesent read the game well,often aimlessly hoofs the ball up the line to no one,but hes picked simply because weve no one better
    I firmly blame pardew for that,douglas should of been done and dusted instead of this,wewere not active enough in the transfer market crap

  • 15 stuart no9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    lets be fair – that was our best showing this term. ok – not good enough but there were signs of a decent side trying to play football the correct way. Santon had a mare, but giving his performances this season, i think we should allow him the odd day off.
    A great start , but they tortured us down the right flank to go 2 up.woefull defending cost us again. i was more than happy with the 2nd half until the killer goal. i really thought we would get a 2nd but in the end we were beaten by shear class. that is something we will never have under ashley. my take on the game was like ,- a david and goliath affair., an FA cup tie where the 2nd division side ( us ) against the best team in england . we fought , we played well in parts, and should maybe got a draw , but man city, gave a perfect away performence, and really didnt look like losing .when they had to step it up they did . no complaints, however where does that leave us????? fighting relegation! we are simply not good enough.

  • 16 Graeme // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Tads, cheers – but just my honest opinion of the day.

    Yes, we made mistakes; yes, some players had some dodgy moments, but, all in all, we can walk away from that game with our heads held high. Shitty will go home, knowing they were given one hell of a battle in the second half!!

  • 17 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

    @woodsee douglas said no to the deal so that he cud become a dutch citizen, he became one late in the transfer window and then didnt want to leave twente (dont know why either) also since the window douglas hasnt talked about wanting to leave.
    Also is there any proof twente ever accepted our price? So twente might of said no. In either case you cant blame AP for that. And tbh pardews job isnt transfers, the reason keegan left is because he had no say in transfers. If you look at Ap’s interviews he says ” me and carr work out a list of players we want, we give it to ma and he sorts it out”

    So if you want to blame it on transfers MA and DL are the ones to complain at

  • 18 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    @stuart city stepped it up? When? Once nasri came off they had 2/3 attacks. I dont think they cud step it up in the 2nd half. No they didnt have to cause we cudnt score but they were worried until the 3-1. Defensivly we were a shambles today yes. That has to be fixed but we gave it a right good go and if we keep playing like that we wont be anywhere near the bottom 3 at the end of the season. Just need to sort set pieces out and defense.

  • 19 woodsee // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    Toon time,when you sign an 8 yr deal,and your not gonna be in charge of transfers,you dont sign it,dont kid yourself, we need a manager who can stand up to fatboy slim and pardew aint it

  • 20 magpie rangers // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    In reply to the first comment, to blame perch for today’s result? Did you see the match, he had a good game, far better than Tiote did.

    In regards to willo and Simpson I’m not there biggest fans but they’ve been made the scape goats of this season, when the teams not play well it’s always a case of pick on some to hammer, I sit in the strawberry corner and today city broke with Aguero running down the left wing where Williamson stood upto him and pushed him out wide forcing him to go backwards and a move came to nothing, a section of the crowd then decided to abuse Williamson at great lengths for not diving in and hitting the player??? He would have looked great sat on his arse with Aguero running clear!! Scape goat for a poor season??

    And god knows what would have happened if simmo had been on the post for the 2nd goal and did what santon did, he’d of been hung from drawn and quartered by most of the fickle fans!! Scape goat!!

  • 21 Toon XI // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    At the current form, I see only QPR match as a possible three points out of our next five matches. Pains me to say it but I think we’ll be bottom three in early January. We must take all points off QPR next week. If we don’t Pardew must go if simply to bring new blood in. Otherwise the stench will be irreversible and we’ll be fighting to stay out of bottom three for rest of season.

  • 22 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM


    bottom 3, ugh say it isn’t so! 🙁

    But I agree, by our current form surely we’ll get 3 points vs QPR, but I’m a little worried about D.Cisse.

    We just chose the worst possible time to start clicking, with games @Fulham, vs $hitty and now vs Manu and Everton after the New Year.

    Luckily, it’s much smoother sailing after (supposedly) and we can start racking up some points with new signings I hope.

    Not optimistic about that last bit 🙂

  • 23 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    “I look at us and I have been in runs with other teams and I have played in some teams as well where you don’t feel you can score, and that’s a real worry, when you don’t think you have got a goal in the team.”

    do you what bugs the shit out of me with pardew and some of you guys that stick up for pardew ,,

    since the guy got here we have had a team that has goals in it, he went and made it stronger with BA,, then toped it off with cisse, so wee alll know there is goals in the team,,

    me and a few others have been saying for a long time now the team/squad is good, but we get called neggers,

    the problem we have is pardew, like today, why on earth did he not go with marv for that little extra attacking threat,

    why has it took 17 matches to figure out we have a goal threat in our team,, the only thing missing is the good balls into the box for them to have a chance of scoring

    for 2 whole years now, we have played a lot ov long balls, today showed me that it is pardew that has set the team up to do that, today players were looking for another player within 20yards to pass to, williamson and krul esp, free kicks were still being slung to willamson, but instead of trying to score from them there was an effort from him to try and get them back accros the box,

    im scratching my head right now and thinking what CH would do with this team,, he has taken norwich onto another level, that level that lots of you said couldnt be done with him,,

    this team we have is good, its the best we have had in a long time, the team was stenghthend in the summer, not in the area i would have liked, but i think anita would walk into nearly all the top team in our league right now, and that is playing in a poor team,

    i think both perch and jonas let the MF down today, and i carnt wait to see HBA AND CABAYE back in the team

    i do not understad the love affiare with jonas right now, and should have been the first player subbed today,,

    tiote not on a yellow perch on a yellow,, what was the thinking behind that sub ??

    bringing shola on only means one thing, long balls, i thought cisse did well today BA also , i think there a handfull, and just need a good supply line,,

    i still doubt pardew will make it for them 🙁

    qpr winning today,, i really do fear them coming next week, they have nothing to lose right now, so every game is a cup final for them, ,,

  • 24 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    Can anyone tell me what the atmosphere is like in the upper gallowgate, near the strawberry corner?
    And what’s the view like aswell?

    Getting seriously sick of the sh1te atmosphere where I sit, so I’m going to try to change seats for after Christmas.

    Not many options, but near the very back of the gallowgate is leading the way. It’s about all I can afford aswell.

    Anyone know anything?

  • 25 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM


    we were very lucky in the first half,, they tried to walk the ball into the net, and could have had at least 4 goals

  • 26 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

    Catchy – do you think we played well today? (Genuine question, just trying to see what you would count as a good performance)

  • 27 puretoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:51 PM

    Woodsy @19 .Hughton got the sack for lack of ambition and not standing up to Ashley-we were told that load of bollox as the reason after Hughtons sacking-what a load of tripe! We’re now wondering exactly why Hughton was sacked ( as we were then)as Pards is in the same mould, a yes man, couldn’t run a piss up and really brown noses it with Mashley and ‘Derek’.
    It was sheer luck with last season and Pards has been found out now

  • 28 Gateshead-Mag // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    anita has been top class in the last 3-4 games iv seen him. excellent passing, vission and creativity. with no benny there though it seems like no-one is up to speed in terms of pass and move in the midfield.

    would love to see him start with marv, anita and benny (if back) as these 3 are of the same quality imo.

    some of the first time passing from anita today was just on another level to anything else we had

  • 29 jeff // Dec 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM

    how did marv play? i didnt watch the game after seeing the starting line-up

  • 30 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:01 PM


    there was 2 sides to our game today,

    1st the good players

    tiote ba cisse krul williamson anita colo

    2nd the poor ones

    jonas and perch i thought these 2 looked lost out there

    santon, but i think he is being let down by lack of help, that 2nd goal though was a shocker ,, but given he has been our player of the year so far,, i forgive him

    simpson, did just ok, , i think city looked really sharp on there right hand side with nasri today,, but his crossing was poor (simpsons)

    i think we took a step forward against a good team

    like i said above, marv should have been in the team and not perch or jonas,,

  • 31 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM


    its hard to judge a player for 10 mins or so 🙁

  • 32 Gateshead-Mag // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM


    didnt come on till 80 mins ish. too late to make any real impact. always offering something different. should have been brought on early second half if not starting imo.

    i no we played well second half but jonas was completely inaffective apart from 1 good cross, to my memory. think marv deserves a decent shot me like. and why not its not asif you can use the old dont change a winning team. pards should be prepared to mix it up

  • 33 BelfastMagpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:05 PM

    Thought we played well second half.

    Think it myt of had something to do with Nasri going of though.

    The game swung in our favour after he went off.

  • 34 Gateshead-Mag // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:05 PM


    i dont think perch played bad at all. cant remember him putting a foot wrong. did a decent job i thought kept things simple

  • 35 Marty-Toon // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    262Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:18

    Marveaux plays a bit like David Silva. There’s not much difference between the two. Marveaux is just more injury prone. Was shocked to see Marveaux misplace a pass today.

    What a ridiculous statement by Kets lmao
    Yes he does play a little bit like silva but not much difference???
    Just a bt more injury prone?
    First of all,Silva ran the midfield,he made our boys run around after the ball all day even though we played well at times.
    Marveau can’t get a start in our team although we all agree he should but he’s a mile off the standard of Silva
    He’s defo got the ability and with a run of games could shine but there’s really no discussion here

  • 36 BelfastMagpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    There was a period in the first half were city looked like scoring every time they had the ball in our half.

  • 37 nufcusa // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Jeff did not deserve a response.

  • 38 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:10 PM


    for me he offerd us nothing going forward,, the one or 2 that i remember him playing he over hit,

    i think (IMO) tiote was holding it all together, and it showed when he went of they where flooding forward, he did make a good interception late on , 3 v1 situation and for me thats the only thing i thought he did well,, many times today, tiote was getting stuck in, perch was no where 🙁

  • 39 Gateshead-Mag // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM


    fair point just re-read what he actually said there

  • 40 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    @woodsee u just totally skipped the fact that douglas decided he didnt want to leave so pardew had nothing to do with not getting him in.
    Also AP chooses who he wants he doesnt choose the prices. So thats the same with most teams/managers. The thing is AP Will never get the players he wants the most he will get the cheapest ones on the list (most likely). KK got no say in transfers (xisco was behind his back). AP gets minimal.

    If AP has doumbia(16mil),remy(10mil), long (2mil), akinfenwa(1mil) on his list and says “we really need a striker” most clubs would look into each of the players with the manager and figure out which would be the best option. At nufc (this is how it seems to go) AP gives the list then leaves, MA looks at the 2 cheapest and then buys the cheapest/most profitable player and TRIES to buy him for even less.

    Thats atleast how it seems, unless AP is the one manager who wants the cheapest player all the time (which isnt likely no manager wud want player because just he is cheaper)

  • 41 BelfastMagpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    Think Tiote is on 4 bookings Catchy, thats why he was subbed.

    Dont really see Marveaux sticking around in January & I dont blame him either.

    If he cant get a game now he never will.

  • 42 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:14 PM


    i agree,

    silva boy is on another planet, small guy, but what a player,

    marv is good, but silva slows it downn and always makes the right pass

  • 43 BelfastMagpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    Silva,Nasri,Tevez,Aguero in the first half at times were class.

  • 44 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    And seriously when did marv become god? He has had2/3 good games in like 20games. He played good against 10man wigan, not exacty the best defenders in the world.

    Jonas played well today, he held up the ball when needed and kept looking for passes. 2or3 times he had a nice pass and move with santon.
    Anita was the link between defence and attack so if marv was to play he wud be in anita’s place not perch’s unless you want marv to play cdm

  • 45 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM


    but he is gona get that booking sooner or later, i really dont see him staying clean from now til jan, more because the refs have marked him,

    perch was on a yellow, and was scared to do anything, perches best part of his game is his tackling, after 55 mins, i dont remember him putting a foot in 🙁

  • 46 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:18 PM


    and yeh

    its a shame for marv 🙁 gutted for the lad

  • 47 BelfastMagpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:20 PM

    Yeah he’ll defo get booked soon enough.
    Probably next week.

  • 48 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:21 PM


    i think your on your own with that thought,,

    jonas did not have a good game today,, not at all,, i watched a guy runing into pll, not trying to go round them,, i think he let santon and then ferg down so many times

  • 49 jeff // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    nufcusa // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Jeff did not deserve a response.

    gimme a break dude. the game kicked off at 2 am my time. i stayed up until 1 am waiting for teams and after seeing the line-up and how we would only be looking to contain city, i decided to pass on the game and sleep

  • 50 Magpies-till-d3ath // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    Really hope Gutierrez gets injured, just to give Pardew a reason not to play him! He’s lost his legs, and that,s all he ever was good for. Marveaux came on today and did brilliantly. Anita is a CDM, we’d be far better off playing Marveaux as the attacking midfielder, with Anita and Tiote defensive. If we lose to QPR, I swear, I’ll not even bother caring about results from there on in until Pardew gets the sack. #badtimesareback

  • 51 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM


    today, i seen a more attacking theme to our game,

    i went for 5-0 to city, and if not for bad finishing in the first half they cold have been at least 4 up,,

    nasri changed it for us,, 🙂

    i think pardew was lucky the score was low today,,

    1-3 is still a poor score line

    i dont see what pardew was trying to do by making this attacking statement against man c,, this should have been done months ago

    his subs today,, where poor, as i fell they have always been

    this team needs a more attck minded coach

  • 52 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    @ Toontime

    My main problem with Marveaux is that he has not been given a fair crack of the whip IMO. Last season Obertan had a run of about 15 games and could still not find any form but Marv gets the ultimatum of a game or two here and there. Pardew only gave Gabby so much time because he was one of his signings and that is unfair. I truly believe that if Marv was given the same amount of consecutive playing time that Obertan did he would flourish

  • 53 nufcusa // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    Jeff – my apologies. I do not know where u are based and your comment suggested you had simply turned your back on the team.

  • 54 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:31 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé

    i think pardew has this attitude with a lot of players,,

    i dont like that he has slated the kids, but not a word to senior players

    guthrie abied marv amfl, and even HBA didnt get much of a chance,,

    perch best shola obertan, poor players get a good run,

  • 55 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    Magpies-till-d3ath /

    its JFK all over again

    he had a go at zog which seen him leave,

    im wondering what this rant about the kids is gona do to them 🙁

  • 56 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    Big pappa

    Marv needs time as you say. It is difficult to come into an under performing team and play well if you get one or two games here and there or 10-15 mins off the bench.

    I’d give marv 5 games, see what happens. Unless he is unbelievably bad in the first couple stick with him and see what happens.

  • 57 sirtoongospel // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    Love how Cisse is pulled by Pardew for missing a great chance, even though his first touch was brilliant, but he was off balance and it was on his left foot. Ba though, isn’t mentioned even though he missed a sitter from 3 yards on his right foot when it was 2-1 also. He hit the side netting but that must be ok. F*** off man Pardew.

  • 58 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    @magpies till death, yep a depleted squad, lets hope for another injury -_-.

    @Catchy i dont think he had a great game but imo he wasnt the worst player on the pitch and i feel as if people blame him for things that arent even his fault, just like simmo+williamson get it non stop and imo most of the time its over exagerated (definatly
    For simmo and jonas)

    @big i agree, he isnt being treat fair comparing him to obertan. But i didnt agree with obertan getting that many chances either. I would rather keep giving him sub appearances till he finds his feet than starting him every week and letting him lose confidence + making all the fans dislike him. (like what happend to obertan, he still gets booed/hated now)


  • 59 Magpies-till-d3ath // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Imagine this at the end of Jan……

    Debuchy Mbiwa Coloccini Santon
    Benny Tiote Cabaye
    Doumbia Cisse Remy

    Ashley digs deep into his pocket and even checks up his own ass looking every bit of spare change he’s got, finds £35m and goes out and signs Doumbia for £15m, Remy for £10m as well as Debuchy for £5m and M’biwa for £5. He also ties down Ba to a new contract with no release clause, gives Ben Arfa a pay rise to around £100,000 a week, sells Simpson, Willow and Jonasfor £20m each (haha) and brings in Guardiola as Pardew’s replacement. We then go on to finish 2nd after going on a run of a 10 game winning streak and also beat Liverpool on penalties in the final of the F.A Cup(just so Liverpool players and fans will be heartbroken). Class finishes top scorer with 50 goals and Ben Arfa just edges both Ronaldo and Messi in the Player of the Year award. Remy and Doumbia break the sound barrier running up and down the flanks and to top it all off……………………TIOTE GETS BOOKED!!!!!!!

    Fifa sure is fun:D:D:D

  • 60 Magpies-till-d3ath // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    *Cisse finishes top scorer. Stupid predictive text

  • 61 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    Id like us to sign 3 players on jan for the defence.


    A CB, FB and a FB who can also play CB.

    Tell you who is a very good full back an centra back. Good defensively and great attacking.

    George friend from middlesbrough

  • 62 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    Shearer slating Pardew on MOTD for playing Cisse right wing

  • 63 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    Woah, neggars out in force here like.
    Ta ta

  • 64 Joe Blog // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:56 PM

    Think Shearer would make a great ST coach, but unfortunately, his ego procured as a result of his playing exploits, wouldn’t allow him to become such a ‘minor’ member of staff.

  • 65 woolerbill // Dec 15, 2012 at 10:59 PM

    Next week we have to win against QPR, we must or all the rubbish pardew comes out with will mean nothing. I believe we will go down. The only good that comes in football , is to win, that what get you point, not we played well or if we have taken that chance.
    Win go go done.

  • 66 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM

    Dont know why shearer is complaining… Cisse wudnt of started if he didnt start on the right wing. No way will AP put off form cisse on over inform ba. Wud rather play 4-3-3 with cisse RW than 4-4-2.

  • 67 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:06 PM

    Wooler bill the point is we finally played well. We were better than the champions so we can now kick on and win games

  • 68 Joe Blog // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:08 PM


    “….we were better than the champions…”. Stretching it a bit.

  • 69 toonking // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    well listen to what shearer had to say about cisse and i think it is becoming clearer every week cisse is not doing so well quite simply because we don’t play 4-4-2
    4-4-2 is the formation we should be playing and ok we might have did it already this season but it was not a 4-4-2 in the way it is meant to be as jonas was always going into the centre of midfield which forced cabaye out wide which he was not happy with
    and just to prove to those of you who think 4-4-2 is rubbish well look at SSN website because it show the city team and united team played 4-4-2

    4-4-2 should be

    simmo willo colo perch
    HBA tiote anita santon
    simmo perch colo santon
    HBA tiote anita marvo
    and when all players are fit
    simmo saylor colo raylor/santon
    santon/raylor cabaye anita HBA

  • 70 toonking // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    as for them who think it causes hoofball well infact hoof ball can be done in any formation it all comes down to how the defenders want to play the ball and stoke city are a team who like hoof ball but i am sure united don’t play hoof ball in there 4-4-2

  • 71 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:17 PM

    @jOe 2nd half we did imo. First half we didnt. Tbf city didnt really have to play well 2nd half

  • 72 BelfastMagpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:21 PM

    They just cant play together simple as that.

    Defoe type of striker would be a good partner for Ba.

  • 73 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    A 4-4-2 is fine as long as you have strikers who help each other. Ba and cisse do nothing for each other they are both finishers.

    I agree with belfast we need a striker who will help the other and imo it shud be a quick skillful striker. Weather he is accomplished defoe/hernandez/doumbia
    Or young and enough potential to become great, like insigne.

  • 74 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:36 PM

    Toon king

    442 works for man utd and it’s for one main reason….width

    Utd have evra and rafael linking with valenia and young

    City have clichy/kolorov and zabaleta but have nasri and silva wide who drift central

    We have Simmo and santon (only santon gets forward but rarely puts a good ball in, Simmo never crosses well when forward) with HBA who drifts inside and Jonas who drifts inside to defend.

    We don’t have any width when we played 442.

    Also aguero and tevez and Rooney and rvp link together so much better than our two.

    We have two finishers. City and united have two creative players who also finish well. They link well in 442, ours don’t.

    Also we play a weird formation. It’s not 442 or 433, it’s just a sloppy mess of players up top. None in any real position other than tiote holding and Ba central. The rest seem to have an area to play but no fixed position.

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:43 PM

    Also for every example that motd showed cisse and Ba far apart with cisse out wide there was plenty of examples where they were central together but still didnt link well.

    It’s just biased journalism to show a point which didnt actually cause as much trouble as they made out.

  • 76 toonking // Dec 16, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    well if you looked at my teams the top two are the two of which should be next week as a 4-4-2 HBA rather than being a show off should do more crossing and rather than having jonas as a winger play marvo then we have two creators on the wing and don’t need to rely on FBs so much as creators and for you information evra has only had 2 assist this season which is only one more than santon.
    the main role of a FB is to prevent crosses and get the ball forward enough for the winger to do the cross
    simpson and santon can both do that the problem we have is HBA shows off too much while jonas can’t cross at all.

  • 77 hatemorloveit // Dec 16, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    Can we please stop deluding ourselves that there are some premier league games that are ‘big’. Every bloody game is big so lets stop this idea of particular games being big for us, it really annoys..rant over lol 😀

  • 78 Novocastrian66 // Dec 16, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    Our defence cost us a result today. Appalling. I think our midfield and forward line are as good as any team in the division and I mean any.
    Our back four however are strictly 3rd rate.

  • 79 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 12:37 AM

    conaldo @62 please refrain from using the childish phrase ” neggers” when it is clear you have nothing productive to add to the debate , and your argument (whatever it is ) deemed feeble. we are passing judgement on todays game, if you cant manage that then shut up.

  • 80 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2012 at 1:08 AM

    I’m starting to wonder like others, if Jonas hasn’t become part of the problem.

    I’m still clinging to the belief that he is playing to instruction in a team that can’t be set up to work and that his spadework, experience, skill, self less running and professionalism still make him an integral member of the team.

    But I’m also starting to think he is perhaps just out of form, or worse, has drifted over the hill.

    At his age, he really should be in his prime and I will feel badly duped if his best is behind him.

  • 81 Magickit // Dec 16, 2012 at 1:11 AM

    TBH, the second half (before YAYA’s goal) is the best performance I saw this season.

    After 17 games, when every one is fit, we should stick to this formation (4-2-3-1) like today


    Santon Taylo Colo Jonas

    Tiote Perch

    Anita Cabaye HBA


    Simpson (pls get rid of him in Jan, he seems lost the ambition , see his reaction in their 2nd goal)

    Santon + Anita = play the same side (Antia is so energetic !! see his run back to chase Auguro ??)

    Anita is soooo good , his passing is calm and clever in one touch.

    Santon can go forward with 2DMF + Anita cover

    Jonas + HBA = play the same side , HBA actually didnt need fullback to help. (actually when simpson go forward, he often block HBA’s lane XD)
    Jonas is by far better defender than young ferguson. and also Colo can always the LB position. Jonas is no good at running forward , but still working fair on def.

    Tiote starts playing well.
    Perch deserves a start, he is very calm on passing and wont hoof it. he keeps think simple and help def a lot.

    Cabaye is the best passer in our team. He can lead the high pressure on the front field.

    Ba= very very handful for opponent , looks good. should play sole ST and rotate with Cisse.

    sub :
    Cisse = i think he plays good today, hold ball and passing. He made Clincy looks lost all time. Juz he misses a great chance today.

    Marva = he is classy player, if he work harder , he can be a starter soon. play Cabaye ‘s role(AMC) and Cabaye can be a DMF

    Bigi = a good sub for perch/ tiote when they are yellow carded

    Obertan = a squad player to sub HBA/ Anita on either wing. he is lightening quick, jus keep things simple suit him

    Willo = cover for CB

    Ameobi = sub for 10-15 mins for holding ball

    TBH, i think our yound players like Sammy , Ferguson, Vuckic, Abeid , Gosling , Ranger, Amilfantion …… etc etc is really cannot step in the PL now (as AP said) , i think they growth slowly than I imagine.

  • 82 davetoon // Dec 16, 2012 at 1:48 AM

    If we lose Demba Ba in January, who is going to score the goals we need to stay up?

  • 83 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 1:50 AM

    First goal was unfortunate that collo was a yard behind the other defenders and played the man city player onside, at the game it looked like santon got caught out. Williamson defensively was questionable at times however he did win a freekick, have a shot and put in a good block. First half the goal ruined the atmosphere and our good play, we was lucky it was only two at half time but both goals could have been prevented. Santon had a bad game defensively but he has been fine most over games when senior players have let us down. We certainly upped the tempo and play in for second half, best football we have played in all season and when you look at the four players we had in midfield it is very surprising. I think a lot of it was down to Anita, the boy is looking very sharp with fast crisp passing. Marveaux again looked positive when he came on, very similar style to Ben Arfa. It’s hard to see how we can fit these players in when cabaye is back, Anita deserves his place as does Ben Arfa, tiote and Jonas have been hit and miss. So pleased with the progress made in the second half, I was gutted at half time but the glimpses I saw when we pass and move looked great. Cisse was unlucky not to score 2 minutes in and should have made it 2:2 late on. Sloppy third goal as nobody marked Toure so the defensive errors are definitely costing us. Not liking Pardew stating how we might be lookin at one or two players, we need 2 at least. We need to stop being cheap, In the paper it said Arsene Wenger needs to be less of an accountant and more of a manger, I couldn’t think of a more suitable headline for Pardew. Cut the rubbish, we need bodies and you know it Alan, one player isn’t enough and you need to do all you can to persuade the fat one to buy them. Today we saw what the fans can be like when the team showed a bit of positive play in the second half, it makes my hairs stand on end when we are in full voice

  • 84 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 1:56 AM

    Dave we are making progress in attack and are carving more chances now with our passing, cisse will score goals if given plenty of chances. Granted he missed a few sitters this season but we have barely been creating many chances all season. I’m a lot less worried now we look capable of passing. If we lose Ba we have to sign another striker, we need a different type of striker as it is. 2 senior players minimum is what I want to see and more progress with the knocking it about.

  • 85 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 2:14 AM

    Sirtoongospel the chance cisse had was a far easier chance, better shooting angle/position and he had less players in the way. To miss the target from there is ridiculous from a professional, he blazed one over in the first half too. Aside from the goal at least Ba tested the keeper.

    BigPapissCisse Pards won’t play Marveaux because he is more concerned about defending than attacking. The same reason he didn’t play Ben Arfa. Marveaux has shown what he can do and put himself about today at times so deserves a crack in the team.

    Joe Blog agree on Shearer, he won’t play second fiddle, I did think we could do with some new coaches but have seen improvements now so I’m a little more at ease.

    Toon king hba shows off too much? He is a flare player, a creative force and one of not many in our team.

    Hatemorloveit all big games agrees however after losing 6 of your last 7 they suddenly become a little bit bigger as the pressure builds. Must win game against QPR, if we don’t then our points tally over those 8 games will be a shambles with Man United and Arsenal next both away.

  • 86 stevemurf // Dec 16, 2012 at 3:55 AM

    I have read this forum daily,no hourly for years. Through relegation and back to glory last year. Never have I felt the need to comment until now. WE ARE NOT RELEGATION MATERIAL! These are growing pains. We are back in Europe! Don’t forget that. We have one in form striker and another ready to pounce. Batten down the hatches! Sing loud and proud and keep the faith.

  • 87 taker83 // Dec 16, 2012 at 4:05 AM

    Were the players fu##ing the grass during tarining?shambolic defense!!!Tactics screwed!Pardew is just clueless!

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 4:41 AM


    HBA isn’t a show off at all, that’s his style, he isn’t a winger he is a number 10 so comes inside a lot, he isn’t a player who whips in a lot of crosses naturally.

    Also evra may only have two assists but it’s the intent he shows. He gets forward, over laps the winger well and that makes it harder to defend as you have two players down the side.

    That’s why santon is good left, he may not get many assists but he takes a player away which means Jonas has more room (shame he can’t use it well currently)

    I think marvoux is better centrally, he said that himself after the Wigan game but yes, he could do a job left.

    I would definitely let HBA do his thing and drift inside, that’s where he is best.

  • 89 Zangwill_Ho // Dec 16, 2012 at 4:54 AM

    Williamson is too weak and slow.

  • 90 obatoyou // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:27 AM

    Cisse is left footed is he not poodles

  • 91 tweaked // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:40 AM

    I agree with sage, give us debuchy,Douglas and peters and we can push for a euro final, we have a good team going forward but we are been out classed in the back four, tote did his f****g job today by winning the ball, with Benny back in the fold we are a different team… Would like to see sissoko as he would give us that depth in the midfield and rather playing a 433 or 451 so that ab and cisse can share the goals they are able to score

  • 92 tweaked // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:00 AM

    If we can strengthen at the back we can push on for a euro final, we getting out classed with our back four, get us Douglas, perzella debuchy & sissoko. With Benny in the fold we are a different team and can push on from here

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