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Nightmare Defending Continues – Newcastle Lose 3-1 To City

3:09 pm, Saturday, December 15th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 297 Comments

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Newcastle’s vulnerability in defense again cost us points this afternoon, after a first half in which Manchester City took a 2-0 lead and it could have been much worse for Newcastle before the break – as the often tore the Newcastle defense apart – does this sound familiar? But then the lads made a spirited comeback and looked good and Ba scored for Newcastle before more woeful defending allowed Yaya Toure to score Manchester’s third goal and take all 3 points.

Newcastle made an excellent start to this game and Joe Hart was in his England form to keep the scores level in the first 9 minutes of this game, but then a slick move by Manchester City tore the Newcastle defense wide open and Aguero was able to tap the ball home to give City the lead, and that was against the run of play.

But Newcastle were vulnerable in defense and there were several times that Manchester tore the Newcastle defense to shreds in the first half, and then Manchester went two up after 39 minutes following a corner – another set play – when Javi Garcia headed the ball home, and Davide Santon couldn’t clear the ball off the line.

Alan pardew will not be at all happy with that sloppy defending once again be the Magpies’ rearguard.

Half time came and it did not look good for Newcastle who had played quite well in that first half, but our defense continued to leak poor goals.

But then the lads came storming back in the second half and took the game to City, and they looked a much better outfit in the second half, and then after 51 minutes Demba Ba got his 11th goal of the season after Fabricio Coloccini had lofted the ball into the penalty area and Demba Ba headed the ball strongly home. An excellent effort from Ba.

And just two minutes after Ba scored Papiss Cisse blazed the ball over the bar, when he had a clear chance in front of goal and should have done a lot better – but he laid back and hit the ball over the cross-bar – it was the miss of the match and if that had gone in who knows what would have happened.

But as seems custom lately,  Newcastle then conceded another terrible goal when somehow Zabaleta had oceans of room down the left wing – as Danny Simpson seem to invite him into the space (what was he thinking?) – and the Argentine cut the ball back for Yaya Toure to hit the ball home to make it 3-1.

It was something like the goal Toure scored in the 2-0 win in May.  But it was again Newcastle ‘s poor defending that means we have now lost six of our last seven matches in the league, but the fight of the Newcastle side after the break will give Geordie fans some hope.

And Vurnon Anita played an excellent game – his best in a Newcastle shirt – and he was at the heart of most of Newcastle’s attacks, as he took all the free kicks and corners, and he worked his socks off today for the Geordie cause – he’s starting to look an excellent player.

Bu just like at Stoke and at Fulham, woeful defending cost Newcastle this game, when the midfield and forwards were pressing the opposition  in the second half, and until we fix our defensive problems – we will still be in big trouble – as we are now with just 14 points from 17 league games and just 4 points from the last 24.

In our relegation season after 17 games we had 19 points – 5 points better off than we are now.

But we can take some comfort from a spirited second half performance, even though we ended up losing our eighth league game of the season.

Next up is QPR – and if we cannot beat the London side we’ll be in even more trouble.

Teams:

Newcastle United (4-3-3): Tim Krul; Danny Simpson (Shane Ferguson 82), Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (c), Davide Santon; James Perch, Cheick Tiote (Sylvain Marveaux 75), Vurnon Anita; Papiss Cisse (Shola Ameobi 79), Demba Ba, Jonas Gutierrez
Subs not used: Rob Elliot, James Tavernier, Gael Bigirimana, Sammy Ameobi

Manchester City (4-2-3-1): Joe Hart; Pablo Zabaleta, Kolo Toure, Matija Nastasic, Gael Clichy; Javi Garcia, Yaya Toure (c); Samir Nasri (Aleksandar Kolarov 37, Edin Dzeko 72), Sergio Aguero, David Silva; Carlos Tevez (Joleon Lescott 79)
Subs not used: Costel Pantilimon, Karim Rekik, Abdul Razak, Scott Sinclair

Referee: Andre Marriner (West Midlands)

Bookings: Newcastle – Williamson (15), Simpson (27), Perch (56); Manchester City – Aguero (37), K Toure (55)

Attendance: 49,579 (2,718)



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297 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jail for Ashley // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Having his casino hand severed in a sweet mince pie machine is too good for Ashley not.

  • 2 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    I have to say I thought Pardew was very good last season, but this season he has made errors in every single game. His substitutions have been baffling this season. We are behind at Stoke and Man City, 1st two which pop to my head, and he TAKES OFF A STRIKER!!! Unbelievable. Absolute madness.

    Apart from that his constant need to play Jonas. And heres an idea, play Fergusson and Santon as our Full Backs, drop Danny ‘Float Cross’ Simpson. Or even play Perch at RB…

    Playing strikers on wings, defenders in midfield…. Its all going to catch up with your team sooner or later.

  • 3 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Ed, it was Simmo who gave Zabaleta all that room for the third, even though he was covered by I believe 2 other Newcastle players on his left, he allowed huge space on his right.

    I could tell he was flat-footed and tired, he was sprinting up the pitch all game.

  • 4 Indian Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Ed, the performance was good though. creditable

  • 5 Jail for Ashley // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Forget the not.

  • 6 ToonDownSouth // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    I’m very confused as to why we don’t just bring in a set pieces coach?

    So many other teams have done similar down the years, and it’s often paid off for them.

    We can’t attack set pieces and we can’t defend them – despite having a far bit of height in our team. Pardew must realise that clearly his methods are not working.

    I know it’s Manchester City, but we’re still giving people free headers a few times a game, and our lack of imagination when attacking corners and free kicks is horrendous!

  • 7 boater // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Catchy – you have a fixed, angry agenda and seem to repeat it all day every day. We can all see Guti isn’t playing at the moment – we can see Pardew is struggling to get the team playing like last season. Do you think we’re stupid and that needs spelling out? What’s the point in you and Indian Magpie savaging player’s reputations constantly?

  • 8 Indian Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Any 1 heard that City fans threw flares at NUFC fans

  • 9 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Tinman

    I agree with the Shola sub for Cisse, getting tired of seeing Pardew revert to that when we were looking good with the setup just prior to City’s 3rd.

    I knew Jonas wasn’t going to get subbed off, because he actually put ONE good cross in as opposed to zero.

  • 10 Graeme // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Talking of casino’s – Our Illustrious Owner is about to buy one of the best casino’s in London – a cool £50 million!!

  • 11 AmeobiTheMackemSlayer // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Gutierrez needs to be sold. Absolutely hopeless this season, it’s like playing with 10 men at times.
    Anita has been a revelation though.

  • 12 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Jail

    Thought you had finally found the proper punishment for MA :P

  • 13 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    tds

    yes i read the whole comment,,

    maybe you should have started by saying ignore them first,, cos to it was like an after thought,,

    it wasnt a threat i gave him or ian,, if he is man enough,, say it to my face, where is the harm in that,, if thats what they think they should have the balls to say it to someones face,,

  • 14 Indian Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Guys Check This out Refer comment # 8

    https://twitter.com/GeordieK1r5ty/status/279962220698427392/photo/1

  • 15 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Good performance today against a very good attacking side with 3/4 of the best attackers in the game and one of the best complete midfielders in the game, was always going to be difficult and in my opinion almost or arguably deserved a draw

    All our players showed today their limitations at making that last pass count, the amount of praise that has been heaped on thesse players by some of you lot is ridiculous

  • 16 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    Maybe if we had a decent manager he would see Santon is more of a midfielder and play him there instead of Perch who is more a defender.Santon offers far more going forward than our wingers or midfielders bar Benny and Marv who cant get a game

  • 17 boater // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Tinman – in fairness, there was blog uproar at the tactical decision to replace a creative player in Benny with Shola last game.. now people are saying a like-for-like with Cisse and Shola makes no sense. Pardew can’t win.

  • 18 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    IM

    Man $hitty fans, I would expect no less.

    I don’t like ManU (and who does) but that $hitty fan was a damn coward for throwing that coin at Rio, thinking no one would find him.

  • 19 cyprus // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    Well done lads, shame we haven’t played like this against weaker opposition. Keep it up and we’ll scrape through.

  • 20 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    It was a better performance, yes Man City did sit back in the 2nd half but even before that we created more chances than we have been. Tiote was better, Anita was good.

    We really need a win against QPR, we will get suck into the battle over xmas if we dont. Which player in Jan is going to want to come to a Prem club in the bottom 3?

  • 21 Jonny // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Vurnon Anita- WHAT a player we have on our hands here!

  • 22 Joe Blog // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Catchy

    What if they did say it to your face? What would you do?

  • 23 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    i really dont understand most of you,, you bang on every day about how poor the squad is, and today prooved its not as bad as you think,,

    today he played a weaker team than he could have and went toe to toe with man c, in the second half we were the better team,,

    where was this attitude at the biggining of the season

    can pardew only rais the team for the big teams,, ???

    if we had of played like that, ball on the deck more,, we would not be where we are today,,

    he needs sacked

  • 24 Jail for Ashley // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    You can cite a players lack of professionalism for not raising their game but when the entire back four know that whatever happens they cannot be dropped surely this breeds complaceny .

  • 25 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    As for Guti, i can imagine he was played because of the calibre of the attacking team we were playing against, also maybe its like a player out of form who needs to be played to get back into form which some people would say about Cisse

    I do believe Pardew should be dropping him but he must have his reasons

  • 26 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    TDS…Yeah, why don’t you have better order / structure to your posts.

    Catchy….So, when are you meeting with Pardew and Jonas when you visit the UK? You know, for your face to face as discussing things on a blog aren’t good enough.

  • 27 Indian Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    I would have taken jonas off for Marveaux

  • 28 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    boater

    Just proves how fickle some readers here are, expecting Benny to just put out a top 90min+ performance his first game back from injury. He was subbed at 70′ and STILL aggravated his hamstring.

    Any error by Pards is compounded by the awful form of some key players, injuries and lack of depth.

  • 29 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Boater dont be so ridiculous…

    A) Ben Arfa was taken off through injury
    B) Both Ben Arfa and Cisse are players who score goals, I would have been just as angry if Pardew brought Ameobi on for Anita. He needed to bring off a defender or a defensive midfielder.

    Think before you speak!

  • 30 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Joe Blog

    then id smash there faces in,, simple as

    but its easy to hide behind a pc

  • 31 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    Bravo. *Slow Clap*

  • 32 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    Catchy

    You’ve just showed yourself up as a pathetic individual who values violence over reason.

    Grow up you rubbish excuse of a man-child.

  • 33 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    @89 Norcal

    The ficklness is unbelieveabel

    Remember when Pardew got lambasted for putting kids out in the european games then when Ben Arfa is played in one its like whats he doing risking our players

    He can’t win

  • 34 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    Of course you would catchy, because you’re a simpleton who cannot form a valid argument and would rather resort to threats.

  • 35 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM

    @Tinman

    But does Cisse score many goals this season? eh no

  • 36 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Ibizatoon – Back by popular demand

    id have no problem at all telling pardew how poor i think he is, id love the oppertunity

    id love for you to be there too :)

    as for jonas,, i really do think its more down to the way pardew has changed his game.. he is not and never has been a DMC or AMC
    his crossing has always been poor, bbut he is good at running at players and sliding the ball to feet, winning pens,, when was the last time you seen him run at the box?

  • 37 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Catchy
    *clap *clap *clap
    Bravo mate bravo shown yourself up as an angry 10 year old there like

  • 38 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Can we seperate the blog’s comments into 2 sections; the ‘Fickle Section’ and ‘I go by what i said last week section’

  • 39 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Fray,

    He is getting played out of position on the left wing in a side which has struggled to create chances all season. Take off a defender bring on Ameobi. I would still rather see a chance fall to Cisse than Ameobi. Put the lad up top, give him a chance, he will score goals.

  • 40 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    he is not getting played out of postiong on the left wing, that what like one game, do you watch the games?

  • 41 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    fray bentos

    Exactly. Mind you I criticized Pardew heavily pre-Wigan, as we alternated between decent tactics and god awful tactics.

    These last 3 games he’s OBVIOUSLY improved our offensive play, that is without a doubt. He still has work to do namely with Jonas and Ba/Cisse (if both are still here in February) but our DEFENSE is the biggest issue imo.

  • 42 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    Sorry Right Wing

  • 43 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    Fray thats total bollox, Cisse hasnt been up front all season, I have watched every single game this season…

  • 44 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:33 PM

    sometimes you have to use force,, if not why do we need armies,,

    im sorry if you like to be the bigger men,, but in my life,, acting like you, tends to get you called a wimp, a loser,

    i never have and never will let ppl take the piss out of me,

    many times on here ppl have said nasty things in a jokenly way, and thats how i take it, but when ppl start having a go because they can,, i will fight back

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Top display today

    Showed fight and a bit of quality.

    We were just undone by better players. If we carry this on we will pick up points.

  • 46 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Oh and I watched every single game last season as well, funnily enough. Isnt it a mighty strange coincidence that when Ba plays up front he scores. Cisse comes he plays up front he scores. Ba goes on left wing he stops scoring. Ba goes back up front he scores. Cisse gets put on wings he stops scoring.

    Spot the pattern?

  • 47 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Fray

    Cisse has rarely played up front, and when he has he has been played there with Ba who gets in his way.

    I struggle to think of any game where Cisse has been played up front by himself. Also, if Cisse was as greedy as Ba was he would probably have as many goals as he has.

    People need to stop just looking at the goal stats and assume that Ba is the better player, because in my opinion he isn’t.

  • 48 WWYCD // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Were on top for long periods but couldn’t break down the best team in the league…not ashamed of that we play like that for the rest of the season results will follow quickly imo

  • 49 Indian Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    Come on if we keep this up we will beat QPR no problem

    HWTL

    Good night

  • 50 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Tinman

    Cisse has sometimes moved centrally mid-game with Ba going out wide. Pardew is stubborn with the Ba/Ameobi partnership because

    1) it worked well last season
    2) Ameobi’s main role is to support Ba, something Cisse isn’t great at since he’s an out&out Striker.

  • 51 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Catchy….Why would you love me to be there? I think I’d actually love to be there to see your reasoning, would probably be worth a chuckle.

    On Jonas, I’ve seen quite a few attempted runs by Jonas, he has hardly pulled off one. He may be played defensively, but that doesn’t mean when the opportunity arises he all of a sudden has forgotten how to beat a man, does it? It’s always been about work rate with him, the rest was 50/50 for me. I think he is a DM now, he doesn’t seem to have the consistent attributes to play as a winger for me.

    So, why is it you feel you can’t explain your thoughts without needing to “smash their faces in”? Is your new name to be Catchy the caveman?

    Come on, you have your views, don’t lower yourself to that cr*p.

  • 52 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Tinman

    he has played right wing for most of this season,, even when HBA is in the team

    he seems to be in no mans land

  • 53 boater // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    As depressing as things have been, Pardew has earned the right to get us back on track after last season. We aren’t Barcelona – we will have bad runs, sadly even terrible runs. Pardew should be given the chance to fix it – a couple of results and everything can change in our favour.

  • 54 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    Catchy

    You are, simply put, an absolute toss pot. Do you fancy yourself as some sort of one man army? Do you think that argument would stand up in a court of law?

    “Sorry your honour, I am pleading not guilty to assault, as I am a one man army who will not allow anyone to take the piss out of me”

    Can I ask you one thing, please don’t procreate, and if you have already procreated, do not pass on your pathetic tendencies to your children and book yourself in for chemical castration as you are a boil on society that needs to be lanced.

    What’s that? I took the piss outta you? C’mon then! C’mon then if you think you’re hard enough! ;)

  • 55 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Catchy…This is a football blog, not a countries safety at stake.

    Beginning to understand your extreme views now.

  • 56 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Ruddy, thank you someone who agrees.

    89Norcal, fair point but you have picked up on something there. Pardew changing formation midgame, it has never worked all season. Pick a gameplan, train with it, believe in it. If thats Ba and Ameobi up front, fine by me. Its no good swapping players around when we can clearly see most of them have no idea where they are now playing (Ba and Cisse running into each other)

  • 57 sula // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    Better performance for sure but one thing i have to mention i dont care what anyone thinks DANNY SIMPSON IS THE MOST USELESS PLAYER. He allowed that third goal and i see it every week with him. I think TAV will give a lot more heart yes he is young and he will make mistakes but please anyone but simpson costing us games.

  • 58 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    Cisse does play upfront

    Both Cisse and Ba have little footballing intelligence in terms of general and build up play, one is selfish but gets into good positioning, the other can only finish and thats it

  • 59 nufc1984 // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:40 PM

    From last post ruddy – The point is santon loses the ball up the field where the defense can readjust!! Not standing there in the box letting the opposition play round him while he stoops over like an arthritic old man!!

  • 60 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Boater, I totally agree Pardew needs a chance. But with this group of players even with the injuries we have had anything outside the top 10 is unacceptable. Agree?

  • 61 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    Thought Willo had a good game today and looked fitter.Anita just gets better every game

  • 62 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    No one is threatening you catchy, just trying to point out the crap you post daily on this blog. If you want to have level headed discussions then try being level-headed.

    boater

    Pardew just picked the worst time to get us rolling again. That’s where I’m pissed with him, being so 1-dimensional before the Wigan game vs the likes of Stoke, Swansea, Southampton, etc.

    To think we could be in the relegation zone before the break is shocking to say the least.

  • 63 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    by positioning i only mean in the box

  • 64 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    Fray

    I strongly disagree. Cisse is a natural goal scorer, he needs to be played up front so he is able to get into the correct positions. Having watched how Cisse plays and watched how Ba plays I would say that Cisse is arguably much much more intelligent than Ba in the way he makes his runs.

    I think Cisse suffers from the fact that Ba gets in his way, is greedy, doesn’t play him in when he is in a good position and when the pass does eventually come it is too late and he is offside.

    Ba is selfish, greedy, plays for himself and in my mind he is simply working hard purely to put himself in the shop window to secure the best move away from the club and I for one will welcome the day.

  • 65 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    Fray your wrong mate. If you watched Cisse today you would see he had some golden touches and very rarely gave the ball away. His hold up play was pretty good today.

    I honestly dont know how you think Cisse has been given a good run as a centre forward this season so its impossible for me to debate with you therefore I wont bother.

  • 66 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    Sula

    Simpson is far from useless, in fact he’s saved us a few times and is usually a tireless worker, but he has not adapted well to the rigors of participating in our attack. I saw him around 75′ and he looked completely worn down getting up the pitch.

  • 67 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    Ruddy just let it go you keep going on like and old woman stick to the football mate

  • 68 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    Nufc1984

    Simpson works hard, and was caught out for the third goal purely because he was knackered, not only does he makes runs forward but he tracks back and defends, something that Santon rarely does, or does very badly.

    As far as not putting a tackle in or being too far from his man, Santon is much more guilty of this than Simpson.

  • 69 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    The quality of our team is way overated

    As a team we played solidly in this game but our players lack any vision and creativity without Ben Arfa, its a sad truth

    Marveaux could be an answer and although i do think he deserves more of a chance, it is yet to be seen

  • 70 pedro // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Long time reader and occasional poster on here but sometimes the comments on here beggar belief. Need some time away from reading this stuff. At times cretinous, petty arguments and now offers of fights…oh dear

  • 71 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Daztoon

    And how does an old woman act where you come from? Because your reference that I go on like an old woman is over my head, please enlighten me :)

  • 72 hugenufcfan // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Guys,

    Not sure if anyone feels the same way. I don’t have a clue why pardew plays guti. He brings no value to the team. trips up on himself almost everytime he gets the ball. Don’t understand y we didn’t play marveaux from the start. Pardews tactics are gross. Hoof ball all the time. We were a much better team in the 2nd half when we were passing.
    Hes got complacent after getting the 8 yr deal.
    We are in serious shit.

  • 73 BelfastMagpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    Cisse should not be on the wing.

    I wouldn’t drop Ba either.
    11 goals this season. We would be a lot worse of without them goals.

  • 74 boater // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    Tinman – oh yee of two point lists.

    1) Yes we all know Arfa was taken off for fitness/injury concerns – but him being replaced by Shola angered supporters tactically. Today he did the opposite, and kept two up front – bringing on Marveaux – exactly what people had called for, and yet he still gets criticised.

    2) I do think before I type (not speak). The way you – and others – communicate on here is pretty unsavoury, but you have done me the favour of reminding me why not to bother expressing an opinion in the first place.

    Adieu..

  • 75 hugenufcfan // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    Guys,

    Not sure if anyone feels the same way. I don’t have a clue why pardew plays guti. He brings no value to the team. trips up on himself almost everytime he gets the ball. Don’t understand y we didn’t play marveaux from the start. Pardews tactics are gross. Hoof ball all the time. We were a much better team in the 2nd half when we were passing.
    Hes got complacent after getting the 8 yr deal.
    We are in serious mess

  • 76 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM

    @Ruddy

    I agree with everything you say about Ba, and i do actually agree Cisse has been getting better last 3/4 games, im kinda judging him on the start of the season which is unfair, ill take it back

  • 77 hugenufcfan // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Guys,

    Not sure if anyone feels the same way. I don’t have a clue why pardew plays guti. He brings no value to the team. trips up on himself almost everytime he gets the ball. Don’t understand y we didn’t play marveaux from the start. Pardews tactics are awful. Hoof ball all the time. We were a much better team in the 2nd half when we were passing.
    Hes got complacent after getting the 8 yr deal.
    We are in serious mess.

  • 78 nufc1984 // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    We’ll have to agree to disagree but sadly what Simpson did for 3rd goal happens all to often. He isn’t a good defender. He looks to others when goals are scored and is inept in attack. At least santons ability to go forward can result in goals like against Wigan. Don’t think I’ve ever seen Simpson contribute to a goal scoring attack.

  • 79 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    ibiza

    you can call me what you like, and i dont mind, cos for the most part, you argue your point, we see some things the same, and others miles apart

    id love you there, to hear his answers ,

    i mean if it was today, id be asking

    1 why wasnt marv in the starting line up, him or perch or jonas,, it would be marv every time for me

    he went on the attack with very defensive minded players,, that just dont seem right to me

    2 why sub tiote?? him or perch,, i carnt remember a perch tackle, yet i think tiote had one of his better games of the season so far, id go as far to say he had a huge affect on yaya

    3 why when ferg was brought on why did santon go to right back for ferg to play left back, but spend most of his time even more forward than jonas

    4 i thought santon was not at his best, but i put that down to jonas not covering that much, but what did simpson do so wrong to be subbed,, simpson got punnished for santons poor game?

    i have not seen the voting,, but im betting the 3 that got subbed, i bet there was 3 worse players out there,
    perch and jonas did not have good games for me

  • 80 sula // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    RUDDY. Demba ba maybe greedy but mate he is scoring all the goals and we are lucky he is even scoring cause nobody else is hitting the back of the net. Cisse needs to take his time before hoofing that ball slow it down and try take on the defenders he hasnt done that all season correct me if i am wrong? he doesnt take on defenders try get your confidence back. Ba looks confident and Cisse should want to ave that hunger aswell not just receive the ball and pass it he had a great chance today all he had to do was place it into the corner but he always wants to blast the ball. I think Pardew should try something different with young Shola who knows it might actually work.

  • 81 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Fray

    I’ll put this question to you, if we had to sell one of either Ba or Cisse which one would you rather leave the club?

  • 82 Crow59 // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    As bad as things seem so far this season im still forever the optimist, strength wise the squad lacks but calibre wise as individuals we are far better then weve been for a long time, i have every confidence in pards to do whats best for the team and as hopeful things will pick up early next year. For me the loss of Cabaye has killed us literally although it has allowed us to see the quality of Anita so every cloud. However investment in jan is critical particually defensively as for me simp and willo arnt premiership quality despite doing a job from time to time, guti needs to be dropped to purely euro games to find that extra sharpness and sone form as atm magic marv creates more in 10 mins then he does all game. But we dont see the daily training sessions or the atmosphere in the dressing room perhaps some of our talent arnt being as proffesional as they should be, anyway less of the moaning. Bloggers on here calling for pards’s head need to think long and hard, footballs full of ups and downs so im sure we will be riding the up wave soon enough. Replacement suggestions for pards?? …… chelsea turned to benitez lol thats showing the lack of quality managers available clearly

  • 83 hugenufcfan // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:49 PM

    Guys,

    Not sure if anyone feels the same way. I don’t have a clue why pardew plays guti. He brings no value to the team. trips up on himself almost everytime he gets the ball. Don’t understand y we didn’t play marveaux from the start. Pardews tactics are gross. Hoof ball all the time. We were a much better team in the 2nd half when we were passing.
    Hes got complacent after getting the 8 yr deal.
    We are in serious mess.

  • 84 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    Boater the point I am making is he should be bringing on more attackers and/or creativity, swapping like for like is no good when you need two goals to even get 1 point with 10 mins to go.

  • 85 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:51 PM

    If it’s any consolation, Scumderland are en route to getting embarrassed by ManU.

  • 86 josh // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    So BBC claim man city ease to a stylish win over Newcastle. Sorry what game were they watching. Stylish? If they’re not fiddling kids at the BBC theyre letting the Clefts on the laptops

  • 87 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    @Catchy

    I do agree with Jonas not starting, but starting Marveaux week in week out, looking at his track record how long is he actually going to last? then after Marveaux who would you prefer? Ferguson has been dire of recent, completely understandable being a kid

  • 88 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    Sula

    I think you’re overlooking the fact that Cisse is play 20 yards away from his preferred position, he plays with his back to goal on the wing, a position that he is unfamiliar with, and perhaps he is aware that what few chances he gets there is more pressure on him to score.

    He had a great chance and other than a fantastic save from Hart he would have scored. If Cisse was up front alone then I am sure he would be getting into the same positions that Ba is getting in and given that he is a smarter player than Ba he would be getting the goals that Ba is getting.

    When Ba isn’t playing we look more fluid up front as Ba slows the whole game down in the final third. The more I watch Ba, the more I want him to leave, regardless of the goals he is scoring.

  • 89 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Crow59, wise words mate.

  • 90 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    @Ruddy
    You keep going on about Catchy being a child and a thug your first reply was enough.Just stick to the football enough said

  • 91 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    Ruddy

    In the end, I think buying Cisse and clashing two target men together was a mistake. I definitely wouldn’t mind if Ba moved on, I know Cisse would come back to form playing in his natural position as the main striker.

  • 92 sula // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    Ruddy

    i see you like Cisse lool. I want to cisse getting himself more involved with the play we he receives the ball i want him to run with it try things all i am saying he is just receiving the ball and passing straight away get more involved and i am sure his game will improve again cause i would love to see both strikers firing that would be the business for sure. I think if benny was palying we could have taken that game it just lacked some creative play in the middle.

  • 93 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    Daztoon

    Look at the rest of my posts, heavily based in footballing opinions, yet you have still to explain how I go on like an old woman. Also, if I want to express my disdain for catchy in any number of posts I reserve the right to do so.

    Finally I will give you your own advice as you have failed to offer us the pearls of your wisdom. Stick to football eh? Or at the very least, give some football opinions rather than say how unhappy you are with my musings.

  • 94 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    @Ruddy

    Difficult question, if Cisse’s first dire 10/12 games of this season just turn out to be anomaly then i would i defo sell Ba, i can’t make that decision yet

  • 95 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    Catchy….So I don’t have to fear a beating anytime soon?

    I will drop this beating nonsense if you do. You are able to type your views without threatening people, being the bigger man on a blog does not make you a wimp by any stretch of the imagination.

    Now, to your q&a.

    1) I do agree in this instance. I’d have started Marv for some more creativity. I would have put Jonas with Tiote. Bad call imo from Pards, but these do happen.

    2) Good question. Maybe something to do with his yellow card count? I’m speculating, but I would imagine there was a reason, not just a flip of the coin.

    3) I don’t think Ferguson or Guti are LB’s, but we’re kind of limited there with options. I didn’t have any problem with that change really. As for why Ferguson spent more time up the top of the field, I’m imagine to apply some pressure and to try and get a goal.

    4) We needed a goal. Whether Santon was at his best or not, he is the more likely outlet for a goal than Simmo. Nothing to do with punishment, just trying to get a goal.

    Subs aren’t just about changing the players who aren’t having great games, but adding players to positions that can make a difference.

    Pardew didn’t get everything right today, but overall I think it was a decent enough showing by our manager and players to warrant a break from the angry mob.

    Yes we need to pay attention to what is going on as we’re far from comfortable, but over analysing everything isn’t going to get us too far and this is probably not the game to do it on.

  • 96 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    Sula

    The only way that will work for Cisse is if he is playing down the middle, if Shearer was playing RW would he have scored as many goals as he did? No, so why would we expect Cisse to lighten up the PL if he isn’t played in his correct position.

    89Norcal

    I agree, as thorough as our scouting usually is, we signed two players that clearly couldn’t play together and as such, one of them needs to be sold. I vote Ba.

  • 97 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    yes but how often was shearer on the wing put crosses in, it happened alot

  • 98 Marty-Toon // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    Bit tough on Simmo there,
    He should’ve maybe got closer to Zabaleta but he was marking Silva.Had he got closer to Zabaleta then silva would’ve just walked into the peno area.
    Difficult one for him there.
    Willo was much much better today and the team attacked well against a top team of top pros
    BA was terribly greedy several times but the goal was a great header.
    If we play like that against QPR then we should be able to tear them a new one

  • 99 woolerbill // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    We need a QPR harry to click ass, you watch next we will see how to motivate a team. I agree that pardew and his coaches lack drive the guts to change.

  • 100 catchy in norway // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    fray bentos

    right now he is a better option than perch or jonas as an attacking play,, and while he is fit, i believe he should be used,
    like with all new kids coming through, ferg, is not the player to drag the team forward, in a good team, he would have a job to do ,, stick to the wing, and put crosses in, as he gets older and wiser,, he adds more to his game,,

    right now he does not know if he is a lb OR lw,,

    im out to clear snow for a bit,, cars are getting blocked in :(((

  • 101 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:04 PM

    Fray

    There could be other factors at play that led to Cisse’s poor form i.e he may have felt under pressure to perform given that Ba was assured he would play down the middle 90% of games, he may have felt that he had to replicate last season’s form. Playing 4-4-2 with Ba also hindered him too.

    If Ba was sold and a nippy striker bought to play alongside him we could see a totally different Cisse.

  • 102 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    @Ruddy
    Because you talk shite yes simpson is a hard worker but thats it.He lacks pace cant pass or dribble and his crossing is woeful.He is also not that good at defending.He also has Benny to give the ball too,were as Santon has to do all the attacking and defending as Guti doesnt know what hes doing anymore

  • 103 BelfastMagpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Catchy beating up Ibiza would be a great idea, in my humble opinion.

  • 104 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    Ruddy….On the Ba vs Cisse issue. I love them both and to be honest feel they should just be rotated.

    Cisse this season is lacking something and I don’t think it’s just where he’s being played. He has had chances that last season we’d be jumping and celebrating, he’s struggling for form, but that wont be forever and maybe a run in his true position would speed that along.

    On Ba, where would we be without him? if he goes then he goes, but I’m in no way behind the idea of trying to get rid of him.

    Just don’t play them together. Have one on the bench. Having a Cisse or Ba to come on and make an impact would be so beneficial to the team it’s unreal. Just look at the Everton game. Yes Ba can be selfish, but he can also be clinical and gain us points and that is the business we’re in.

    What do you think, you old woman? ;)

  • 105 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    I do want Marveaux to start over Jonas, i just wonder if he has serious fitness issues

  • 106 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    Daztoon

    Am I supposed to take you seriously when you start a comment like that? Learn some manners and maybe I’ll discuss where I am coming from with you. If this is how you want to debate then stick with talking to people like Catchy.

  • 107 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    Belfast…No one could beat me like you.

  • 108 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    @ruddy

    I really hope so, all strikers go through bad patches

    Also i do like his smiley face and Ba’s attitude is under question aswell

    But where would we be this season without Ba

  • 109 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:09 PM

    …in my humble opinion ;)

  • 110 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    Just shows you how poor the Premier League is with teams like Man Utd on top. Man Utd will get knocked out of the champions league in the next round. City and Chelsea are already out. The league was a lot stronger 4 years ago.

  • 111 Toon1978 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    Just got in from the match and i have to say City aren’t all they are cracked up to be. Dodgy defending cost us AGAIN and the supporters where shouting from the roof tops in the summer for new defensive signings and guess what??? we are paying for that now. Anita is f…king quality. This kid is going places. Marveaux was good when he came on. Jonas…….the least said the better.

  • 112 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    Ibiza, in an ideal world rotating works. Problem is strikers need a run of games to build confidence and sharpness. Players like Ba and Cisse need to be playing CF week in week out. I also love them both, would be lovely if one would sit on the bench and do a Given/Harper kind of thing. But that is never ever going to happen is it haha?

  • 113 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    Ibiza

    I don’t think we have the luxury of rotating Ba or Cisse given how thin our squad is in terms of recognisable first team players. If Obertan was fit then I would suggest playing him RW and rotate Ba or Cisse, or even when we have HBA back to play one or the other. That is what we did at the start of the season and Cisse was left languishing on the bench.

    I genuinely think that we cannot have Ba and Cisse in the same squad which would necessitate getting rid of one or the other.

  • 114 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    @Ruddy
    I dont want to debate anything with you as you offer nothing in the way of knowledge of the game of football

  • 115 BelfastMagpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    I’ve got a baseball bat in the house Catchy, if you want to borrow it ?

  • 116 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:13 PM

    Kets,

    Was just about to comment for you. Something along the lines of,

    “Santon terrible, Cisse terrible, Ba selfish, sell all three and use Adam Campbell as our starting striker. Krul concedes 3 goals…… sell, sell, SELL!!!”

  • 117 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Fray

    Well Ba has scored goals, a lot of goals, but he has scored a fair many goals in games where we have lost or drew, so I think the argument “where would we be without his goals” is not as solid as people think it is.

    If we didn’t have Ba in the side we would have a much more fluid attacking final third, we wouldn’t have a greedy CF holding up the ball and refusing to pass it around. Cisse might even be the player he was last season had Ba not been assured his place in CF.

    We are bottom half of the table with Ba’s goals, had he been moved on in the summer I would actually suggest we’d be in a better, not worse, position as a result. Contentious opinion I know but I think it to be true.

  • 118 Joe Blog // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    I reckon Catchy is a short-arse – small man syndrome, feels the need to challenge people physically :)

  • 119 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Tinman & Ruddy (two birds one stone – Not a threat, not trying to kill you :) )…..Well, when we have EL, form (in or out), injuries, etc I think a policy of rotation could work. Then there will be games to play both as ST and games where Ba should be played out on the left (as it does work – we’ve seen it).

    Just seems odd to say we can’t try the idea and that selling one of them is our best or only option.

    Not asking one to sit on the bench all the time, that clearly wouldn’t happen and rightly so, but a bit more of a creative approach to dealing with it is needed first before we say goodbye imo.

  • 120 sula // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    DAZTOON

    I agree with you simpson might run for britain doesnt mean anything when you cant cross the ball so yes he may be covering a lot of ground but strikers need quality crosses delivered into the boxes. Guti needs to lose weight and i would put him on the bench so he can also wake the hell up. I am very happy for CHRIS HUGHTON look and the job he is doing at norwich have all of you seen the team he has there just watch how they are passing the ball so for all of you pardew lovers stop making excuses for him the man is not NEWCASTLE MATERIAL PERIOD.

  • 121 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Ruddy, it seems you and I agree totally on the Ba Cisse issue

  • 122 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Daztoon

    I’m sorry you feel that way. I think I have a good knowledge of the game and have entered into many debates with other people and in the spirit of debate we can offer different opinions that others can try and alter with their own opinions. Instead of telling me I am talking shite you could offer an opinion as why you disagree in an attempt to change my mind.

    Alas, you didn’t do that, saw fit to insult me and when I called you up on it, you belligerently stick to your guns by refusing to even debate with me. I don’t think I am losing out in any way though.

  • 123 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    Belfast….Oh stop, you’re making me weak at the knees with this macho dominating display. Strike me Belfast, do it quick and make it hurt!

  • 124 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:18 PM

    Ed, we have 17 pts, not 14pts.

    On today, shocking defending has cost us again. There wasn’t much we could’ve done for the first goal, it was a world class pass from Toure.

    Second goal, another set piece… Absolutely disgraceful. Santon made a basic error too. He was good in the second half after a poor first half.
    He should’ve cleared that corner but we really have no luck at the moment.

    The 3rd goal came totally against the run of play. We were dominating and if it wasn’t for Joe hart we would’ve had a few today; but that’s why he is a world class keeper. Simpson left too much space for Zabaleta, he seems more bothered about Tulisa than playing for us. He needs shipping out in January IMO.

  • 125 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    Was just watching highlights of the Aston Villa game where Cisse scored that stunning debut goal, and how happy him and Ba and the whole team looked together. Now they clash heads and can hardly link up.

    Christ… how far we’ve fallen :)

  • 126 bettyswallocks // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    We are now officially a long ball team.

    Constantly referring to our big physical presence, direct route to the strikers only likely to score with our aerial threat and Krul hoofing it up to try and get it flicked on , the commentators and pundits have us down as another stoke city.

    The stats on our long ball play are there for all to see, not misleading as Pardew tries to suggest and the fact that we are now recognised as a physical long ball team does not inspire me for the future.

    Pardew constantly denying this is an insult to our intelligence but to be constantly reminded by Tyler and Neville throughout the whole match is hard to bear.

  • 127 Tinman // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Adios people. Off to give a couple of mates a lift to town. Enjoy.

  • 128 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Tinman

    Nice when you find an ally in this warzone isn’t it, especially nice considering how my former ally Ibiza has deserted me! :P

    Ibiza

    Well that may be one way of looking at it but we don’t play EL football again until February. What do we do until then? Do we drop Cisse and let Ba continue at CF as his goal scoring record would command? Or do we drop a striker “in form” and play Cisse up front which would be sure to infuriate Ba.

    Ba will either be moved on in January or the summer. I am nearly certain to that point purely because a player who is as demanding as Ba, whose temperament is as questionable and someone who seems to dictate team selection is negative for the team going forward. I don’t even think he is an overly great CF, other than his goals he is slow and cumbersome, selfish and doesn’t get his head up quick enough.

    I would be content if rotation could work, but it won’t work in the long term (ie in the coming seasons) so one will have to be got rid of.

  • 129 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    @Ruddy
    As i said you offer nothing so there is no debate so i won`t waste my time anymore on someone who should stick to reading harry potter

  • 130 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    If anyone needs something to lift their spirits, there’s this hilarious new comedy out right now.

    It’s called Man U vs Sunderland

  • 131 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Couldn’t fault the effort today either. But we missed Ben arfa. Our ball retention was actually quite good. We played some nice stuff and didn’t resort to hoofing it. Anita was our best player by far. He was involved in every move and closed down their players constantly.

    Williamson and Colo also played well. Simpson, Jonas and Santon in the 1st half were poor. As was Cisse. He should’ve buried that chance he had moments after the 1st goal.

    If we play like that next week we will beat QPR. They won’t be able to withstand the pressure like City did today. It depends which side turns up though. It could be another West ham/Southampton and then we will certainly not win.

  • 132 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    bettyswallocks

    We got the ball down in the second half and at times we were excellent. With a midfield as sharp, with pressing as quick as City it would be foolish to think that we could play the ball on the deck for the full 90mins, but to say we hoofed the ball all game is also incorrect.

  • 133 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    Daztoon

    First I am an old woman, now I am someone who should stick to reading Harry Potter. Are you confusing yourself? I have posted any amount of football opinions, feel free to comment on whether you think I am right or not, just do it without insulting me and we might be able to engage in some friendly banter and a frank exchange of views.

    However, if you still wish to keep insulting me then I am afraid I have nothing more to say to you.

  • 134 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    Well today was much better, showed some attacking intent but city could have had 5 or 6, or defense was open but we spent a lot of the game behind so that is a little understandable.

    I’d like to see Pardew go cisse or Ba as the striker…they do not link up well…some passes to each other but that’s expected, they usually get in each other’s way.

    I’d have liked marvoux from the start as there was no great link between midfield and attack.

    Anita had a fantastic game, I knew he would improve as he adapted to our side.

    With cabaye and ben arfa back I can see no reason why we won’t climb the table and end up with a reasonable finish.

    A lot of our chances were from long balls but we also played some decent stuff on the floor and did a little better keeping the ball in the opposition half.

    With more technical players like ben arfa, cabaye and marvoux getting in the side that will be easier.

    A CB and FB in Jan and we are well on the way to a very, very good first 11 with 3/4 players as good back up.

    Get those two in Jan (more if possible) and we will be more than safe.

  • 135 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Ruddy
    So ba is moved on we sign another striker then what? Stick to 433 and rotate? Will some one sign on as a bench warmer?
    Not so sure and tbh not sure cisse will be right as rain again in the middle he found alot of space in the box and was wasteful
    Not trying to be insulting but it seems as if ba is to you what pards is to catchy, well not quiet as extreme!

  • 136 Graeme // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    Cheer up chaps, there is some good news about today – scum are losing 3-0 oops, they just scored 3-1
    liverpoo 0-3 villa

    smile, be happy, its not the end of the world!!

  • 137 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    @Ruddy
    Yep i have read your comments and as i say you know nothing about football just stating a fact,So i agree you have nothing more to say to me thank you

  • 138 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    tads

    all teams have bench warmers though…..I think it would benefit the team as well as ba and cisse if one of them was benched.

    It would hopefully help us play a system that suits us.

    It would also create competition for places which is what we need more of.

  • 139 Toon1978 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Cant believe the press. You would think they had battered us. I must have watched a different game. We where poor in the first haf but we battered them in the second half yet very little mentioned.

  • 140 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Ruddy….Replacing me already? Now I understand why getting rid of Ba is so easy for you :) I’m feeling the pain.

    Obviously now is not ideal, given we only have PL games for a bit, but I still feel rotation is the way forward, but ultimately if that doesn’t work, one will go and this is a possibility anyway with Ba given his clause and want of a better financial package. I do think you’re being just a little harsh on Ba and over flattering Cisse a little. But what do I know? I’ve only just started forming my own opinions now you’ve cut me loose…I’m lost! :)

  • 141 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Tads

    Move Ba on and sign a player who can play on the wing or up front (a la Remy) that way you could alternate between a 4-3-3 and 4-4-2.

    I don’t hate Ba, nowhere near it, I dislike what he does to the team in the final third and while I appreciate his contribution in terms of goals, I think the negative he does to the side outweighs this contribution. I do believe that Cisse will be transformed if Ba was moved on but I could be totally wrong on this score.

    I just think we need to either pick one or the other, and my money is on Cisse.

  • 142 Marty-Toon // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    Fulham gettin a slapping by Qpr now
    We get beaten by Fulham and now Qpr find their feet all coming from Taarabt so hope we can cancel him out next week

  • 143 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    Toon1978

    That’s what journalists do when they don’t watch the full game, they pretend they did.

  • 144 Toon1978 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    Looking at the league is bloody depressing :(

  • 145 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Ruddy…Should add, I put Cisse in my dream team and he’s costing me big, so I do want him to do well – honestly – I just don’t think it’s quite as clear cut as you do…on this issue.

  • 146 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    Toon1978

    They could’ve scored 6 today with the chances they had. Although our passing in the first 10 mins and the second half was good our off the ball play was simply shambolic. They had 2/3 chances at the end to make it 4/5/6-1. They didn’t take them. Defenders are a must in January, today emphasised that point.

  • 147 Santon03 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    The team played well, much better without long balls too often. We started with 4 defensive midfields, but able to keep pressures on city, this is the result of being able to keep the ball. We had so many free kicks and corners, but unable to do anything about it.
    Jonas is nolonger able to run at defenders. We definitely need CB and RB, I would prefer experience ones rather than under 25. If it has to be U25, I hope we get Angelo Ogbonna. Definitely need experience players, they could help develop, up the level of our young players. Even MU recalled Scholes and still maintain Giggs.
    We do need good experience ones, Shola is an example of not good one. Nobody would want to listen his advise.

  • 148 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Daztoon

    You’ve cut me deep, my supposed lack of football knowledge, how will I ever recover :P

    Ibiza

    I agree, I could be doing Ba a disservice and over hyping Cisse a little, but like I said I feel in the long term we have to move one or the other on. I look at Ba’s contribution to the team and I am constantly frustrated. I see potential in Cisse, I see a striker who is short of form and confidence, but one who is willing to personally sacrifice himself for the team. In terms of potential ability and temperament I would rather Cisse.

  • 149 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    @bettyswallocks

    you watch the game, we did not play long ball and i don’t think we have been playing much long ball for quite a few games now

    Now lets get away from the boring and simplistic long/shot ball debate

  • 150 Toon1978 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Super Magpie

    We where really poor in the first half and it could have been 4 to City. I was in the Gallowgate and it was bloody painful mate. Everytime they attacked it looked like they where gonna score. Second half City where pretty average and we where pretty unlucky not to equalise. They had one shot in the second half and scored. We had a shed load and scored 1 lol. Difference in qulaity i suppose. Wish we had an ambitious board but unfortunately we have a board more concerned with making a quick buck.

  • 151 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    @Ruddy
    Your thick skinned mate just keep spouting the crap you do it does cheer up the blog

  • 152 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    Daztoon

    I find it amusing how you tried to call me up for not talking about football and in that time you have offered nothing in the way of football discussion.

    Irony?

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM

    Ibiza

    I think the thing is Ba can score up top alone or with a partner.

    Cisse seems to only do well as a long front man. (As a pair with ba he got his debut goal…wonder strike, two at chelsea, both wonder strikes) most of his “regular goals” were when he was up there alone.

    I would bench cisse or now, have Ba start as he is the form man.

    Look at all top sides, the have 3/4 strikers, more than can be played at once and thhey get upset and leave.

    eg. man utd- van nistelrooy left when saha got the nod, then saha was move out for hernandez, hernandez is now annoyed he isn’t playing as rvp is here

    barca – ibrahimovich was moved on as they went a different route with david villa, now messi has the central role nd vill goes out wide or benched

    chelsea – drogba and torres never really played together, the they moved drogba on for torres

    We have to accept that we wont have 25 happy players in the squad as very few are keen to warm a bench (unless on city like wages or winning regular trophies)

    We play whats best for the team, if ba or cisse then want to leave we let them, get the best possible deal and then bring in somebody else…thats how it works.

  • 154 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Super….The defense desperately needs additions, even just to provide some competition to spark the current ones in to thinking about what they’re doing.

    Ruddy…Fair enough, can’t ask for much more from a man (or child or old woman, over educated brat anyone?!?) with a lack of footballing knowledge :) I agree in that o player is bigger than the team and they all need to do their bit for the better good of the team. If Ba does go, we will need a decent replacement in and for the reported £3.5m we’ll get for Ba, I’d rather have him as an unhappy sub. We will see mate.

  • 155 Santon03 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    I hope we could get players like Gattuso or Zambrotta in January. They are very cheap and world class experience. Sign them for 2 years contract, it’s a win win.

  • 156 Toon1978 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    We should have built in the summer and we wouldn’t be in this difficult position if we had of done. Ahely took a gamble and it is back firing atm. What a total plonker!!!!!

  • 157 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    Toon1978

    That’s why they are champions though. I was disappointed with the goals and how 2 of them were against the run of play. But, you’ve got to expect that from teams of this quality. On another day the score could’ve been 4-7. But our defence was abysmal. They were walking through us in the 1st half and like you said they could’ve scored 4.

    It was painful, especially when you can see what’s going to happen from my view. After the third went in they broke many times and could’ve had more goals if they were more clinical.

  • 158 Santon03 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    Ricardo Carvalho would be cheap too.

  • 159 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    TS…..And there you have how rotation is supposed to work. Good man.

    Ruddy… TS has footballing knowledge, listen to him (sorry, I will stop soon, but I’m still hurting).

  • 160 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    @transfer sage
    But we aren’t one of the top clubs so can’t afford that luxury

  • 161 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    @Ruddy
    For sure but you dont talk football just blah blah blah simpson is better than Santon sell Ba blah blah blah see lack of knowledge

  • 162 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    Ibiza

    I’m even beginning to doubt what exactly I am, I am an actor on a stage playing many different roles. I am everyone, and yet I am no one… :D

    I wouldn’t really be pushing for Ba to be moved on in January, even though I have a sneaky suspicion that he will be. If we could manage a rotation policy until the end of the season for the good of the team then that’s fine, although I don’t think it will work with Ba and Cisse in seasons to come and that our hand will be forced into selling one of them.

  • 163 Santon03 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    oww Zambrotta is currently without a club, he just bought estate in ireland and willing to play in irish league.

  • 164 Graeme // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Ibiza, agree with your last point; Ba out for £3.5 Mill is peanuts in the scheme of things!! He will be better coming off the bench, or reverting to what worked so well last season.

    I dont think it will be long before Cisse starts a new scoring run; he is playing quite well, but some of the through balls for him have been woeful!!

  • 165 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Daztoon

    Erm I think you’ll find I actually qualify my opinions. I offer examples of why I think a certain way. How is that blah blah blah? It is called reasoned opinions. You are entitled to disagree with those opinions and as long as you do so in a respectful way I will debate those issues with you.

    Smacks of arrogance though that you can claim I know nothing about football when you yourself haven’t offered any independent insights. Is it because you are afraid of opening your mouth (using your fingers) and proving that it is in fact you with little or no football knowledge?

  • 166 bettyswallocks // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Ruddy

    Iagree that second half we played a lot more football than we have recently. also the commitment and endeavour coul not be questioned.

    The idea that people now refer to us as a long ball team with only our physical presence and the aerial route to goal really pi**es me off.

    That was my point.

  • 167 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    Ruddy & Fray…..At what point do we start having a stronger bench and competition then? Are we talking financial restrictions preventing this or players being happy?

    Daztoon….Your message has been received, move on, discuss some football, that is what we’re here for amongst the squabbles.

  • 168 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Fray

    Why can’t we?

    it’s not like it costs us more money…you just sell a player who is unhappy and use that money to bring in.

    If we do it with ba and cisse, whichever one we sell we bring in another play to play/rotate with the other one.

    Then when the next one is unhappy, sell and replace again…just like a conveyor belt.

  • 169 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Daztoon

    That’s his opinion. You may not agree with it but its certainly a reasonable one. There are posters on here who post drivel compared to that.

  • 170 Toon1978 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    Super Magpie

    Pretty much the same opinion mate. Never been so peed off with NUFC as i am atm. The stand out player for me of lte is Anita. What a game he had today. City struggled against him. City fans where absolutely abysmal. Only started singing at the end of the games not to mention throwing flares. Hope Man Utd batter them ar2e holes at Old Trafford and take the 6 points off them haha. Just bitter i think.

  • 171 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    @ibiza
    lol i know but it is more fun a famous ruddy comment from the fulham game if we hadn`t have made mistakes for their goals we would have won.now that blew me away with his insight into the game of football

  • 172 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:55 PM

    Graeme….It certainly would be peanuts and that’s our buying policy, not our selling one :)

    Cisse will come good, I have little doubt about that. He seems to have some confidence issues and to play his game, confidence is needed in abundance.

    I do feel that things have improved and that whilst there is always room for improvement our season will get back on track, but it will be hard for the rest of this month.

    If we can show some fight like we did today, I can handle that no problem.

  • 173 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    Seeing what Hughton has done with Norwich you wonder what he could do with the players we have now ? . Also the results have not went our way today either :(

  • 174 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    Bettyswallocks

    If others want to call us a long ball team then let them. We know we are capable of playing the ball on the deck and in the long run I think others will see this too.

    Ibiza

    I don’t think there are as many financial restrictions holding us back from having a bigger squad, I think our owners were taking a gamble to see if we could replicate the success of last season with a small squad+youngsters. It has been abundantly clear that this is not possible and so I think the transfer policy will be revised accordingly. Ba will be moved on eventually and the purse strings will be pried open in order to give us the size of a squad we need in order to compete.

    I think we will, in the next few seasons, see a bench of much more established quality to nip at the heels of those in the starting XI

  • 175 Toon1978 // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:57 PM

    Think Ashley should stick to running shops lol. Tbf to Ashley he has helped NUFC big time with the amount of debt we where in. Just wish he would show more ambition with transfers.

  • 176 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    It’s a strange situation with Ba and Cisse. Ba is obviously on much better form and we would be struggling even more than we are without him. But because of his release clause, it looks very likely he’ll leave in January.

    Cisse is badly out of form and is looking very poor. He can’t play with Ba and he can’t play on the wing. It is best to bench him because he is not offering much to the team, maybe it will have the same effect it had on Ba.

  • 177 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    Daztoon

    You failed to pick up the essence of what I was saying and you showed yourself up at that time. What I said was that tactically we had got it right, we had attacked well and should have scored more and aside from individual defensive errors we would have won the game.

    Now, how did that manage to go over your head?

  • 178 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    Daz….I think you and I have differing opinions on what’s fun. If you feel you have a point with Ruddy then make it and back it up, you’re not really doing that at the minute.

    As for the Fulham comment, we played okay and defensive lapses let us down, much like today. It is an obvious comment, but one that is true. I think his point is we’re playing alright, if we can cut out silly moments we’d be in a much better situation.

    Ruddy is a grown man and can handle what you throw at him, I think you’re wasting your time and would suggest you try debating football issues with him rather, shouldn’t be hard with his lack of footballing knowledge, so why not prove him wrong?

  • 179 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    Toon1978

    The flare hit a pensioner apparently, absolutely disgraceful…

  • 180 JAMSHA // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    Atleast to cheer With liverfool n.scums looseng

  • 181 StuW // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    The overall performance was decent, truth be told. We mixed it up well in the second half, with half of the first team out. AP is going to have to drop Ba or Cisse for the good of the team, or push Ba to LW, with Cisse up top. Worked well last season.

    We need four players in January. And one or two loans on top of it to replace injured/away players such as Cabaye and Tiote.

  • 182 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:01 PM

    Ruddy

    Expect 3-4 come in January.

    From what I hear we are much, much busier now than any previous window in the last 2 years…really pushing to get deals done as quickly as possible.

    Ashley simply can’t afford us to go down.

    The debuchy deal has legs…thats hoped to be completed first week of Jan.

  • 183 Toon1978 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Super Magpie

    They are a bunch of utter wan kers mate. They don’t deserve such a great team. Face palm!!

  • 184 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Ruddy…We’re back to our old ways. I agree on that breakdown of our purchasing system and that we will be back on track soon enough.

  • 185 89Norcal // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:03 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Funny thing is MA will now be pressed to invest heavily to keep NUFC in shape, and could possibly spend more money that if he had just bought the proper players in summer.

    What a fat, stubborn ass.

  • 186 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    Sage

    I would be inclined to believe that we would be looking to bring in bodies through the door in January but I have nothing but blind faith to base this on.

    I was one of the people calling for calm after the close of the transfer window as I felt that we had a squad capable of replicating last season’s success, admittedly I was very wrong on this score but I think that Ashley and Llambias shared my views and they too will be thinking they got it very wrong too and will be looking to set this right.

    I’d be surprised if we managed to get 3 in. If we got a CB and RB of sufficient quality then I would be happy.

  • 187 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:05 PM

    Ibiza

    The old ways are the best ;)

  • 188 Jail for Ashley // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    Im not working atm so am home next week a d Im definitely going to the QPR game and I want to see a FU##IN result

  • 189 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:07 PM

    @transfer sage

    Its not just money, we can’t buy players of a certain calibre by saying you will have to prove yourself to win a 1st team slot, the only way we can attract quality is by saying your going to be playing 1st team football, thats likely the case with most players anyway

    Plus Ashley doesn’t wear geordie jeans so his backpocket is rather tight

  • 190 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    plsu i would rather not have a conveyor belt system of players tbh

  • 191 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    You’d know, being an old woman ;)

    Damn it Ibiza, why always the easy jokes?

  • 192 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    ruddy

    I would settle for a CB and RB too…but from what I hear there will be more.

    I didn’t think this squad would get 5th again…I thought top 10 was a good target, top 8 maybe without injuries.

    Ashley will look to bring in a few though….he doesn’t want to keep the club but is not actively looking to selll…but if he wants his money back off it he needs to establish us in the prem league (also it is a lot of free advertising for sports direct which would cost him tens of millions to get his rubbish peddled on tv that much)

  • 193 Ian Toon // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    Transfer
    Just how reliable is your source, please?

  • 194 iggystinger // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    i thought cisse played ok today link up play and control was better than recent games i thought jonas was our worst player with santon the amount of times jonas lost possesion was unreal and santon was poor position wise i thought one of his worst games for us

  • 195 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Toon1978
    Definitely, the game was also dampened by someone deciding to vomit right in front of me. I felt even more sorry for the people sitting in front and besides her.

    It was fortunate that nobody was sitting to her left as they would’ve got a bit of a surprise :)

  • 196 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:12 PM

    Super….What was wrong with her, the performance wasn’t that bad! :)

  • 197 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    fray

    It’s how football works at all levels…just with different outcomes.

    Teams like southampton, middlesbrough, etc bring through a lot from their academy…the sell these on for profit.

    Teams like man utd buy the likes of rooney, rvp, etc and then sell them on when they are no longer as good as the players you bring in.

    We are in the middle of that.

    We will bring players in who will compete for places…(eg. santon came in, competed with raylor then took his place, ben arfa competed with obertan and then took his place)

    I dont mean a conveyor belt as we sign a player who is young and has potential, make them good then sell. More that a player comes in (at any stage of carrerr, youngster or in peak) we use them as long as we need to then either sell for a profit or sell because they new player we have signed is better.

  • 198 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Sage

    I didn’t think we’d finish 5th, I thought top 6 was possible and was willing to concede that top 8 would have been acceptable if injuries and EL started to pile up but I have been proven very wrong on the calibre of the squad and the replacements.

    Perhaps Ashley thought the calibre of the youngsters would have sufficed but other than Bigi, there are no other youngsters that I think would be worthy of much PL game time.

    Is the talk about signings just talk or are the wheels in motion for a number of signings?

  • 199 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    @transfer

    I know how football works, im not an idiot, i think something has been lost in translation

  • 200 magpie6699 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    Thought we’ve played worse and won this season – eg West Brom, Norwich. Stirring and unlucky 2nd half performance – if only Santon hadn’t made the biggest cock-up of a goal-line clearance since Kieron Dyer did his famous “I’m a little teapot” impression we would have only been 1-0 down and not chasing so hard. I thought Anita was excellent, Perch did OK and even Tiote wasn’t quite so trouble-prone. Willo didn’t do that bad either. I thought Simmo and Jonas were – let’s say – mediocre. (It is nearly xmas)

  • 201 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    I think champions league was possible if Abeid had more game time

  • 202 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    Ian

    Not reliable enough to stick your house on it.

    I dont want to go into too much detail about them but it’s a lot of internal rumour coupled with their role in the club.

    For example…..they told me there was a lot of contact with lille, they were then asked to arrange a press conference for a certain thursday…we put 2 nd 2 together that debuchy was arriving…what it turned out was that day the press statement was for graham carr’s new deal.

    So we get some pieces of the jigsaw but can’t see the picture on the box of what it should look like.

  • 203 danuneek // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    Much better performance. Im sure the results will come soon. With the adition of some new blood in january i think we’ll be safe from relegation. Priority is getting those 41 points then we can have a real crack at europe. Hopefully we’ll learn from our mistakes and do better next season in the league. Dont forget pardew was manager of the year and deserves some credit for that. Consistency is the key. Look at moyes, everton have blown hot and cold for the last 8 years. But they would be shooting themselves if they had sacked moyes after their dreadful first half to the season last year.

  • 204 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    @ruddy
    Sorry mate was just a bit of fun.
    But you do say Simpson is better than Santon so why a rightback in and not a leftback

  • 205 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    That long range shot by Tiote irriated the f**k out of me, there is nothing more i hate more than predictable and wasefull long range shots

  • 206 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Daztoon

    I don’t think Simmo is a better player than Santon, I think Simmo gets slated while Santon escapes criticism even though for the most part Simmo is solid enough at the back and Santon regularly gets caught out of position and purely because he is good going forward he doesn’t get any flack for it.

    Simmo is not good enough to take us to the next level and will probably not sign a new deal unless he accepts that he will be a squad player in the future. We are looking for a RB and will eventually sign one that can take us forward, both defensively and going forward. If Santon can get the balance of attack and defence and we sign a RB who has that balance between attack and defence then that would give us an added attacking dimension.

  • 207 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    fray

    never suggested you were.

    Just saying thats what I think we should do.

    We sign a player of a certain level who will accept being a squad player or competing, eg bigi, amalfitano

    It’s not as simple as a player demanding first team footall. If we signed say Remy for example he would probably start from the bench, then have to earn his place in the team through sub appearences and cup games. If he does well he then gets a start and its up to him to keep his place.

    If he does and we have unrest by ba or cisse…thye stay as long as we can keep them interested then they leave and we use the money to bring in another forward or if its enough, a couple of players

  • 208 jimiley // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    Form is temporary and class is permanent. Thats why we will end the season in the top half of the league. Pardew will succeed whilst Hughton and Big Sam will slide down the table. We have stability with Pardew. Its a credit to Big Mike that there is no talk of sacking Pardew after six defeats in 7 games. Every other club would have sacked their manager. Not even a mention at the Toon. If we go down with Pards we will come up with him. Such long term thinking is rare in football. I am really excited about the next 8 years. Keep the faith. We will win something before the earth explodes!!!!

  • 209 magpie6699 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    fray bentos – I agree – but was equally annoyed at all those fans shouting “Shoot!” when he got the ball 40 yards out – then booing when he didn’t score!

  • 210 toonLYF // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    sat in the Gallowgate today, as always, i thought Anita and Cisse were absolutely brilliant. Cisse’s touch was imaculate his passing precise, forward-thinking and effective.

    Anita was a livewire as he has been in recent week – he’s been an absolute godsend in Yohan’s absence.

    Very good signs ahead of QPR next week. Play like we did second half, and we will dismantle them.

  • 211 Toon1978 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    Super Magpie

    Ohhh dear. Maybe it was the way we where playing at some point that made that poor person spew lol. I felt justas sick when the 3rd went in.

  • 212 nufcusa // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    Boater #53 the most sensible thing I have read on here for a while.

    Even when we were in the top 5 we never had a right to beat the top teams. The only one we beat at home was manu. everyone else left here with points.

    whu in earth would we think it would be deiffernet today.

    Takes the positives out of it, beat qpr, lose at manu, have a go and get something at arsenal and take 3 points of everton and we will be happy as pigs in shit. It may be optimistic, byt I agree with Pardews assessment of today, in that we look like we can score and wont play players of that quality every week.

  • 213 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    Ibiza
    I think she was sick just after the 1st goal went in. That may explain it.
    Or she was a bit rough from the night before. :)

  • 214 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    danuneek

    The criticism I have for pardew is more than result bases…it had been poor performances and silly tactics (a strike pair who dont link well and too much long ball)

    The last few games have been better and showing that he is trying to address the problem so for me I am comfortable giving him til the end of the season to see what he can do.

    If we don’t improve our play I would consider his position but knowing Ashley we would get a terrible manager in so probably better with Pardew.

    By the way…I dont want him sacked before criticism comes my way…I just want llambias sacked.

  • 215 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    Jimiley

    If we got down even mourinho wouldn’t bring us back up.

    We will lose ll of our players and will be stuck there a long time.

    That is why Ashley will spend in Jan and bring in numbers.

  • 216 iggystinger // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    nxt weeks game against Qpr is huge now if we play like we did for the first 30mins of the 2nd half i think we,ll get a result but thats the level we need keep playin at we had city on the ropes for that period and thats when were at our best when puttin on the pressure and closing down quickly far too often weve sat off teams and thats when mistakes are made

  • 217 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    @transfer sage

    obviously there is some element of squad role and a player knowing what he is but we can’t offer what the top clubs cans in terms of dept of quality

    Look at Man U, they have 4 quality strikers/forwards to rotate

    We have 2 quality (debateable) strikers and 1/2 back up

    Now if went to sign Remy, im sorry but i think we would have to guarantee him 1st class football, we just would, that would be the only reason he would come, in this case Cisse or Ba would be off therefore meaning at any one point we would only have 2 quality forwards

    get where im coming from?

  • 218 jimiley // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Nufcusa,

    We look like we can score one goal a game. We look as if we can ship loads. Not good if the defence is rubbish.

  • 219 Graeme // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Super Mag, Rather than bench Cisse, why not try playing him where he needs to be – look at the number on the back of his shirt, it will give Pardeau a clue where he should be!!

    Hint – it ISN’T on the wing!!

  • 220 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Fray

    Likewise, it’s even more irritating when the crowd urge him too. They should be shouting pass, not shoot.

  • 221 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    nufcusa

    Today was the first time I think we looked like we would score from good play and not a wonder goal from Ba or HBA.

    much more fight shown as well as quality.

  • 222 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    @ruddy
    Well wouldn’t Santon be better suited in the midfield to add some flair and bring in say pieters for left back or move Perch in there till jan

  • 223 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    Super…..What an awful condition. Throwing up each time the toon concede, she must be as thin as a rake :) Bless.

  • 224 jimiley // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Transfer,
    Ashley will spend nowt. Check out his record. Ba is gone so he may get a replacement for him but the replacement will not be as good. And cheaper. Ashers is looking at Rangers and we are the detritus on his sole. he hates the Toon. he is even happy when we lose.

  • 225 NewcastleMole // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Missed 1st goal

    2nd goal Santon should of done better 9 times out of 10 it would of been cleared i think the man diving for the header (Aguero?) infront of him distracted him slightly.

    3rd goal Anita didn’t follow Toure who was allowed time and space to slot home.

  • 226 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Fray

    Making the same point I feel, just explaining it differently.

    I dont think we can have a squad of 25 top players like man city or utd.

    I think though we can have 3 good forwards (especially when remy can be used wide if we wanted to)

    But I do know what you mean….Remy, Cisse and Ba would all want regular football, min 80% of games I’d say….so I would have them all there…then whoever is most out of form dosn’t get in, if they leave the leave, then bring in another and repeat the process.

    Same thing we are saying I think?

  • 227 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:34 PM

    Graeme

    Only if Ba leaves. Him and Cisse can’t play together and since Ba is in much better form he should be playing over Cisse. HBA and Marveaux should on the wings IMO. Not Cisse and Jonas. Neither of them can cross or beat their man which is what they are meant to do.

  • 228 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Daztoon

    Playing Santon in midfield and bringing in a new CB, LB, and RB could be something worth looking into. Although I think Santon can be taught to be better defensively, he is a top class LB in the making, he just needs to balance out attack and defence.

  • 229 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    @trasfer

    yeah that situation could happen and i would love another forward, but remy isn’t

  • 230 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    Jimiley

    I’m not saying Ashley will spend as he loves the club….he does love his money though.

    If we go down we will lose our players (world cup year, hosted in brazil, ll our internationals will want to be there so will move to top level sides)

    We will not come back up and could slide down further.

    Ashley will spend (maybe 10-15 mil im talking, not 40/50mil) to make sure we are comfortably safe.

    He wants to sell the club when he can make money off it, he can’t yet but with a few years of stability and a decent squad he will be able to (somebody will eventually bid, it’s happened to a lot of teams).

    Ashley may not be a fan but he will not risk the amount of money he has to lose with a relegation.

  • 231 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Jamie Redknapp has come out with some interesting comments (please feel free to change the word interesting as you see fit).

    1) “Newcastle went with the 4-3-3 formation which Pardew has favoured this season” – Ha.

    2) “Ba played on the right of the attacking trio, with Papiss Cisse again leading the line” – Wrong.

    3) “It was hard to pick out an individual who stood out for Newcastle” – Anita.

  • 232 Transfer Sage // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    fray

    I dont think we will get remy,…he wants champs league..and rightly so.

    But it’s just and example of the level of player I meant

  • 233 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    We need at least 4 in January. Can see Pardew signing a striker or midfielder. Reckon we’ll only snap up one player and miss out on another.

    It’s a joke how Marveaux isn’t playing. You can tell by his face that he’s slashed off.

    Jan Vertonghen has done the right thing. If Spurs sign Remy and Ba, they could win the title.

  • 234 daztoon // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:40 PM

    @ruddy
    Well that would leave us also with cover for both fullbacks with santon and Anita.Are we poor at the back through lack of communication or just individual mistakes.

  • 235 Graeme // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    Super Mag – I would have Tiote and Anita in front of back 4. Cabaye playing in front of them with HBA and Marveaux out wide and EITHER Ba or Cisse up front in a diamond
    4 – 2 – 1 – 2 – 1

    I think it would give us much more flexibility and a far greater threat than we provide at the moment!! I do think Ba will be leaving this season, not necessarily in January though.

  • 236 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    I think we can attract most players from France. Remy would be interested in us as we aren’t far off Man Utd. If we sorted our defence out and signed Sissoko, I think we’d confortable beat Man Utd. Man U’s luck will run out soon and they will struggle.

  • 237 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Kets

    Has Abeid not responded to your fan mail or something?

    You pissed off with him?

    Haven’t heard you mention him last few posts? or you just realised hes probably just not worth playing

  • 238 leavemyarselona // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Toon lyf ,,,, I’ve got to disagree their mind .. No way for me cisse was absolutely brilliant .. I personally think he reacts far to late to snap passes for him to run on to which their defence can clean up swiftly for me he was far from brilliant ,, I have to Agree with Anita tho I said the same when we played Fulham I thort he was our better player always involved.. I think the way we played second half today that game would of been ideal for Ben arfa because its was on the deck football quick paced if he was on pitch I dare say we would of gone a lot further in the second half…

  • 239 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Abeid’s actually a very good player. If we gave him a 10 game run-out the fans would realise he’s decent. Players like Gosling, Obertan, Williamson, Simpson, Ferguson, Sammi and Shola need to go.

  • 240 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Pardew needs to change him team selection. Sick of seeing Willo, Simmo and Jonas in the same team every week.

  • 241 leavemyarselona // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Also I thort marveaux when he came on he looks really confident on the ball and tricky he defenitely should be given a few games to see what he can bring like anyone else agree..

  • 242 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    We should’ve signed Benteke for £7m. Great young talent. He’ll be worth £25m in a few years.

  • 243 north_country_boy // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:52 PM

    City won’t have had many tougher games this season – the last 4 games we’ve played some good stuff but silly mistakes at the back costing us – just not switched on – Collocini caught not in line first goal, Tiote blocked Krul on corner for second and no one doubling up with Simpson for third. If we keep playing like that and can strengthen defence in Jan we’ll be ok but need to pick up some points somewhere to keep our heads above the relegation water! Thought Anita did well again today and Ba was a handful – cant believe the people saying to get rid in Jan cos when he’s in that form he’s nearly unplayable

  • 244 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    Graeme

    Spot on. I totally agree with that, once we sort out the defence we should start climbing the table because I’m not liking the gap that is starting to form between us and the teams above.

  • 245 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Shearer would say the same thing. He’ll praise Benteke on match of the day tonight. Cisse and Ba are excellent strikers but we need 2 more. Someone like Benteke and Remy or Remy and Sulejmani.

  • 246 fray bentos // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:55 PM

    @kets

    you don’t know that, you have hardly seen him play against good opposition if at all, last time he did play he was horrendous and he had fresh legs

    mate it completely disproves anything else you say when you hang onto something which you cannot prove by any means

    please do not use those cup games as the evidence, means nowt, where talking premiership games and his last was shit

  • 247 Super Magpie // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Kets

    And who else will start instead of Simpson and Willo.

  • 248 IITianToon // Dec 15, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    I was crushed by the goals conceded yet buoyed by the effort and good moments. I do wonder that maybe we keep playing good till our tough schedule ends and go back to our hopeless ways when once again the easier fixtures come along.

  • 249 IITianToon // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    My take on players today:
    Defence:
    Krul: Kept the score down. Wonderful keeper. No complaints with him.
    Santon: Played very well attack wise. Should learn that leaning with a hand on the post while defending a corner isnt a good idea. Didnt have the right balance when trying to clear.
    Colo: Calm.composed.assist. I couldnt really fault him today.
    Willo: An improved display. He isnt PL quality but today at least he passed the ball on the ground more.
    Simmo: A trier. But not quality. His crosses werent good. I didnt see the 3rd goal so cant say about that.

  • 250 IITianToon // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Midfield:
    Tiote: Looked closer to his old self today. His passing was much better.
    Perch: The thing I like about this guy is he plays short crisp passes. I liked him today,unlike a lot of you apparently.
    Anita: The best of the lot. Passed,moved, intelligent and industrious play all round.
    Jonas: Ran and tried. Didnt succeed.

  • 251 GeordieTwo // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Good comments IITianToon. The defense absolutely needs sorting out. At least 2 players (CB, RB) needed in January or we will stay in the bottom 5 or 6. If Ba goes I fear for us going forward as well. Cisse is so out of form. He looks like he’s from a different planet this season.

  • 252 IITianToon // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    Strikers:
    Ba: Scored again. I dont like him for some reason. Maybe its because 1) he turns blindly into trouble,2)always thinks of shooting first instead of picking players in space, when he does decide to pass, the window is gone.
    Cisse: Man I really feel this guy can score if he gets more chances. I really do.

  • 253 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    my recommendation for our next game

    krull
    simpson, perch, colo, jonas or fergy
    anita, tiote, marv
    hba, cisse, santon

    a special 433 very attacking tactic, as most will kno that santon also plays as a winger on either side why doesn’t pardew give this a try.

    as for ba i think pard’s needs to leave him out on the bench to show who’s the boss.

  • 254 iggystinger // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    we canny leave ba oot christ hes the only one scoring for us and man in form

  • 255 gringo burt // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    to many can spout sh@t on here,but people need to wake up and smell the stench,the stench of our team heading down.yes we played well at times but so many corners and shots in our last two games and score two goals is crap,we have been here before . never mind who we will bring in transfer window because there will be a clause in there contract to cover there backs incase we drop. to many player arent good enough.last season they were lucky but being found out this season

  • 256 Mint // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Tiote attitude is straining Pardew – he’ll be off on a free like barton in Jan

  • 257 Graeme // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Super Mag – this season is now pretty much a right-off. However, if we recruit sensibly in January and Summer, we should start next season with a much stronger squad and a clearer idea of how we are playing.

    That in itself will make us a much better team than we have been so far this season.

  • 258 IITianToon // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Pardew wants to keep everyone happy, especially the senior players as they are the key in the dressing room.
    Why he doesnt drop Jonas: He is the senior statesman of the team. If he drops him, he thinks Colo will be unhappy and so he would have his two seniormost players unhappy. He does not want that.
    Why he keeps playing Ba/Cisse together: He stupidly promised Ba that he will play central. Now he cant lose face by asking him to play wide. He plays Cisse because he feels he can produce a wonder goal out of nothing, and so he plays him, even if out of position.

  • 259 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Simpson’s touch was also poor today. He had the chance to cross it, but he overran it. I’d put Perch in at centre-back and Santon at right-back with Gutierrez at left back. I think we’ll finish 12th this season, but we’ll be in the bottom 3 at xmas.

  • 260 iggystinger // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM

    i thought cisse had a good game the day jonas was poor looks short of confidence kept tryin to beat players but lost the ball everytime

  • 261 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    iggystinger, i would leave ba out, face it he’s gone in jan and also cisse has played as a winger he’s an complete forward who could score twice as many goals as ba when left on his own upfront, pard’s and the cockney dogs upstairs will only allow ba on every game so they hope he signs a new deal

  • 262 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    Hope we don’t bid for Downing. Liverpool have made some shocking signings. We could do with Sahin though. Joe Allen isn’t worth £15m. Don’t rate him at all.

    Marveaux plays a bit like David Silva. There’s not much difference between the two. Marveaux is just more injury prone. Was shocked to see Marveaux misplace a pass today.

  • 263 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    Our best team with all players fit IMO would be

    ———————-Krul———————–

    –Perch——Taylor——–Collocini—-Santon-

    ———–Tiote——————Anita———-

    ——-HBA——–Cabaye——-Marveaux—-

    ——————–Ba/Cisse——————–

    It has been almost a year now and it is clear that Ba & Cisse can not play together unless Ba is out wide. The problem is that they both want to be in the same place at the same time and sometimes it seems like we are playing with 10 men. Natural goalscorers generally don’t help out the team much and their only focus is to score, and having two of these in the team is not working.

  • 264 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    Kets – I can’t believe it, but I actually completely agree with your last post.
    That’s the defence I would play with everyone fit.
    And yes, I agree we will probably be in the bottom at Xmas, but around 12th by the end.

    Anyone know what the crack is about two Newcastle fans from Albania reporting Alexander Kolarov for racism?

  • 265 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    i kno transfer rumors for us is BS but i would love for remy to join us in jan.

  • 266 iggystinger // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    Black and white

    i see ur point m8 but ive got a feeling ba will be here to the summer if we signed someone like remy and had a 3 man attack cisse thro the middle barfa and remy wide that would be a lethal front line

  • 267 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    And then you went and spoiled it by saying marveaux is like silva.

  • 268 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    Kets

    Like David Silva? One of the best AMs in the world? Seriously?

  • 269 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    canaldo, something about the albania flag and with kolarov being serbian its a long violent history between them

  • 270 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM

    iggystinger, i hope so mate but there’s rumors about a turkish tycoon club who’s willing to pay his 80-90 a week wages and 5mill to his agent but saying that it’s probably more BS rumors to scare us

  • 271 toonking // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM

    the best team when all players are fit i thick would be
    ________krul
    simmo_saylor_colo_raylor
    ____cabaye____anita
    santon___HBA_____marvo
    _________ba/cisse

  • 272 toonking // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

    vs QPR
    maybe this could be the team although it is highly unlikely
    ________krul
    simmo_willo_colo_perch
    _____anita__bigi
    santon__HBA____marvo
    _______ba/cisse

    what a line up like this will mean is we don’t need the FB’s to try crosses we already have two players marvo and santon useful for that so the FB can do what is most important and that is defend and stop crosses and giving the wingers the passes they want
    also rather than having colo getting forward we will have an attacking CM in HBA and that is the best place to take people on yourself.

  • 273 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Kolarov would be a good signing for us, but not sure how old he is. Great shot. Haven’t looked into that incident.

  • 274 iggystinger // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Black and white

    if the rumours are true about ba wantin 90,000 a week i would sell him hes not worth that and i dont think ba’s actually came out and said he wants to stay im maybe wrong,also his knees supposedly a tickin time bomb knowin our luck he,d sign a new deal and bang the bomb explodes lol

  • 275 sirtoongospel // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    Conaldo, the Kolarov thing happened with a young lad who was about 8 seats from me. I don’t know what triggered it, but I can say that Kolarov basically asked the lad (who wasn’t that old) to go over the barrier for a fight. That’s the gods honest truth.

    The lad was sat in the very last seat of row “AA” Milburn stand, and the first I saw was Kolarov having a go. it went on for ages, he was aggressive and he got hammered by the rest of the fans there.

    This wasin the first half. Then with about 25 minutes to go the police came and took a statement from the lad and his mate. The NUFC steward was sat right next to the kid so will hve heard everything.

  • 276 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    B&W – do you know if it was during the game or after? It’s a shame politics and racism etc still find their way into football even now.

    On today’s game, I personally though that today was probably the best performance of the season. If we weren’t playing against citeh we would have won. But that’s just the thing, we just have to accept that no matter how we look at it, citeh are a very good team.

    I was really impressed with nearly everything today, and I enjoyed the match even though we lost.

    Some points:
    I’m starting to notice and get annoyed by Dembas apparent selfishness with the ball, he could have set cisse up a lot today, but didnt and lost the ball. He needs to change that, immediately.
    There were still defensive mistakes today, but overall the defense were good, and I though Williamson had his best game in a long time.

    Anita was great today. Really ran the whole midfield, if he keeps improving, we may have bought a hell of a player.
    Citeh probably spent half the game rolling around on the floor
    Apart from the rolling around on the floor, yay a toure is a fantastic player. I would say probably the best box to box midfielder in the world.

    I think the fact that we lost and there isn’t mass hysteria shows that even the “doom and gloomers” recognise that we played well today. Just a real shame that we don’t have any points to prove it.

  • 277 gringo burt // Dec 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM

    they knew all summer that we needed centre half and right back,so what they do is keep the team together and try to put that over so we dont need to buy anyone ,get in eh.am pleased we kept the team together the fact was we were already short and ash tried to do it on a shoe string which has worked wonders(lke f@@k).so now has to put his hand in that pit of a pocket and do some deals,problem a have is, if he had of put money in from start of season we probly wouidnt be where we are now but yet he still has to spend,and that tells me he is happy with 15 to 10 and just ticking over as long as we dont go down. also this guy is suppose to be a top business man a wonder if ashley is the guy teaching us how to take set pieces cause we are shit at both

  • 278 belgrade fan // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Kolarov wanted to cover Albanian flag. As you know we have a lot of probs with them. And yes, he would be superb for us. Sulejmani no, injury prone, we dont even rate him here

  • 279 sirtoongospel // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    I agree with loads of comments from people on here. Demba is scoring, but he isn’t a team player and never has been. Carlton Cole knows all about that!!!

    I think that Tiote dwells too long on the ball, and can’t move it quick enough. Same with Jonas. You can see that Anita, Marveaux are pinging the ball around lovely. Anita looks fantastic to me. Can’t wait until Yohan comes back, I think they will link brilliantly.

    Ruddy and others have said that they are happy for Ba to go. I have to say I agree. He is a selfish fella, and he too takes forever to move the ball. We will never play free flowing football while he is in the team. Cisse is a quick thinker and gets into some great positions, and the goal tallies of the 2 strikers are grossly unfair.

    Last season ba was pushed wide, and the look on his face every time Papiss scored was disgusting. This season, with the roles reversed, Cisse is grafting his plums off. The distance he covers in a game is incredible. It’s a shame and it shouldn’t be like this, as they are capable of playing together. Cisse doesn’t seem to be the one with the issue in my opinion.

    Finally, I would like to see us play a team of players who clearly want to be here and havent turned down contracts. Oh, and Jonas and Cheick are woefully out of form. But there are positives in other areas, and in particular Anita. Can’t believe how quickly he has cottoned on to the Prem. 2 months ago it was a struggle, now he looks brilliant. A great player.

  • 280 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:04 PM

    A much much better display all-round
    Good to see Perch and Tiote play together as two defensive midfielders – filled the gaping hole we have had in front of our back four.
    Anita best game in a blacxk ‘n’ white shirt. Tiote his best game this season. would love to see us start with Marvo instead of Jonas next week.

  • 281 sirtoongospel // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    belgrade fan….. he was a disgrace. Regardless of the reason, for a professional footballer to act like that was shocking. Politics, religion, whatever. He should have walked away. He was very very aggressive.

    As i say, the flag etc, wasn’t a good idea from the fan I wouldn’t think, but there are players who have been subjected to far worse than that, and who have just walked away and said nothing. Kolarov was poor today.

  • 282 NUFC_LEAZES END // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    I don’t know why some people are complaining about today’s result, yes it’s another defeat, but we played well hopefully we strengthen up in a couple of weeks time.
    There’s no way we are gonna get relegated like

  • 283 sirtoongospel // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    Team to beat QPR

    —————————-KRUL—————————-

    SIMMO ———WILLO——-COLO——–SANTON

    ———————–PERCH–TIOTE———————

    ————-ANITA———BA———-MARV———–

    —————————–CISSE—————————

    That’s if HBA isn’t fit. If he is then One needs to drop but Jonas can’t be ahead of Marv on current form.

  • 284 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    Exactly, Kolarov should have been setting an example for people, by rising above it and not picking fights with fans. I hope this is taken seriously as it has no place in football.

    I don’t think anyone can fault the players or Pardew today. We did everything we could do, and we were just up against a better team. We even looked kind of dangerous from set pieces today!

  • 285 Jail for Ashley // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    Charlie,
    Not a very bad display, but the worrying aspect is we played some poor stuff last season yet somehow had the resilience to come away with a win, this year even though we have had a few, but not memorable good spells the results have gone against us, we all have our different reasons as to why, but somehow thing has gone on behind the scenes that those not privy to inside information will never find out.

  • 286 davis_toons // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    If 1 or 2 purple leaves include Simpson/ Ba, then 2 or 4 will comes in for youngster. That is what been told.

    Unless we manage to sign some 1 or 2 purple to replace them.

    But that is just Replacement Not UPGRADE or Backup other areas.

    Hopefully we are not short-change.

  • 287 belgrade fan // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

    Yes, I agree. Dont think I support. I would punnish him so he will never think to do sth similar..
    Was poor today but just recovered from injury. For sure better than Simmo, Willo, Jonas and our shit players. Kolarov is very reliable, good attacker, strong shoot….
    Our 3 players togethers dont have this skills

  • 288 brklyngeordie // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    Dont know the whole story with Kolarov but want to state yea i am Albanian and know all to well about the dirty Serbians..If its true that he wanted the flag covered well F*%K him ironic that this dirty Tw@t complains about racism meanwhile there is no doubt in my mind he is a racist and England got a very small taste of Serbia’s hospitality in the UEFA U-21 filthiest people on the planet next time any Serb plays at St James’ we should welcome them with many Albanian flags and see how they fair with that the dirty scum will crawl up fetal position…HWTL!!!

  • 289 belgrade fan // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    As I said- dont agree, should be punished. lets dont start Serbs- Alb thopic. if y want to know my opinion- with our dirty politicians I dont care if you take whole country…

  • 290 nufcusa // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    Graeme – not sure how you can state the season is a right off.

    We have 21 games remaining in the league, the fa cup and Europa league knock out stages.

    I’m not suggesting we can win either cup or will soon start to climb, but there is an awful lot if football to be played and we have a good team when all are available.

  • 291 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    Jail
    Agree we got away with a lot of poor displays last year – Blackburn away for one.
    I actually enjoyed the game today.
    Until they scored we were the better team – could of scored and for the first twenty minutes in the second half we had them rattled. We seemed to have changed our tactics – keeping the ball on the deck more. Hopefully we can play like that next week and convert more
    of the chances we created.

  • 292 Mint // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    Theres no way we will get relegated this year – QPR, Reading and either Shampton or Wigan will drop

    Stop whining, we played well!

  • 293 t00ntime // Dec 15, 2012 at 7:43 PM

    Ba was playing as our only striker. He is a finisher of course he is selfish… His job is to score and he is doing that. When cisse plays as striker he becomes selfish too, but he isnt scoring. The reason ba and cisse dont work together in a 4-4-2 is because they are both selfish strikers aka finishers. When ba played on the LW he wasnt selfish, like cisse isnt selfish now whilst playing on the RW.
    Taking ba off and putting cisse upfront wont solve anything, we will just have a selfish striker who isnt scoring instead of one that is.

    Also the guy who said AP wont drop jonas cause he fears colo will be upset is compelty wrong. Colo knows how football works he isnt going to get angry because his friend doesnt start. AP starts jonas because of his defensive play. If jonas wasnt there santon would be exposed all game and we (some fans)would want rid of him.

    AP never promised ba he will play as ST all season, AP said if all goes right he will play upfront 90% of the time. Ba has stated multiple times that he would play LW if AP ever asked him.

  • 294 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    I think he is. I rate him highly. He just needs to keep fit.

    Gutierrez has lost it. That’s why he never gets picked for Argentina any more.

    The signs were encouraging today. We just need at least 4 players signed in January.

  • 295 magpie rangers // Dec 15, 2012 at 8:49 PM

    Reading through the posts on here some of you are complete fools!!

    Regarding demba ba, people who are calling for him to be dropped mustn’t watch much football, he must be our only player this season who’s performed to a decent standard, he’s our only sellable asset at the moment, to call him greedy and be replaced by cisse and try to blame ba for cisse being unable to hit a barn door at the moment you must be a bunch of mornons who haven’t a clue.

    Regarding letting him go next month, and wanting a reportingly 90k p/week, he’s one of the top scorers in the prem playing in a poor side with very little service, what could he do in a top side with service. Were never going to replace him in January with anyone who will get the goals he’s scoring, top world class player cost 20mil plus and command 100k plus a week, we’re never going to play either and then they wouldn’t come to a struggling club. If demba leaves next month we may as well get prepared for the championship because without his goals were going down.

    Heres a point, man u wanted a top striker in the summer, they got one for £24mil and he’s probably earning 150k plus, in a great free flowing side where supply is guarrenteed he’s only scored a simlare amount of goals to our main striker who half of the idiots on here want rid off!

  • 296 drivershigh // Dec 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    And Vurnon Anita played an excellent game – his best in a Newcastle shirt – and he was at the heart of most of Newcastle’s attacks, as he took all the free kicks and corners

    Got to take issue with this Ed, taking all the free kicks and corners was if anything a negative of Anita’s game today, as we never looked like getting anything from a dead ball situation with the usual ‘aim for Williamson’ knockback approach.

    Put simply, if we’re going to try and play long ball, we need people who can actually cross the ball and hit players with 40/50 yard passes. Didn’t see anyone on the pitch today who could do that.

    Anita was decent and actually wanted to do something. Santon had another decent game I thought, despite Joans falling over in front of him for most of the game.

    And I know it’s fashionable to hate on Simpson, but I thought he had a tough time today as Cisse kept going centrally leaving Simpson to fill all three of the right sided positions, which I thought he at least tried to do and as #68 said, was probably tired from having to cover all this ground for the third goal, which seemed like a defensive mixup at the time.

    Definite work to be done to get something against QPR.

  • 297 shpetmeister // Dec 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    I am the lad with the albanian flag. My first game in Newcastle with my younger brother. We took the flag because of our family back home to se us. We didnt know that Kolarov even was serb. He said som nasty words. But i will travel home tomorow and decide if i want to report him. There are so much hate in the world, sadly. But for 3 days ive been i Newcastle i have loved it, the people and everything. U guys do drink a lot haha:) the game was great. For full statment i will make it just for ED. Excactly what happendes. One things for sure he started it. And thanks for all the support i got around that area love u lads forcaa Newcastlee Forca Albania Forca Kosova :) we are all one people.




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