Ben Arfa Out For Four Weeks – Was He Brought Back Too Soon?


More bad news for Newcastle fans today as Ben Arfa is ruled out until the new year with his hamstring injury, and therefore he’s going to miss at least four games. And with Ben Arfa playing last Monday night at Fulham, and scoring that terrific goal, we have to think he was brought back too early and before he was fully fit – and we are now playing the penalty for that premature return.

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Ben Arfa – after scoring last Monday night at Fulham

Ben Arfa will miss at least the next four games at home to QPR and on the road at Manchester United and Arsenal and then at home to Everton, and if we cannot pick up points in those games we will in all likelihood slip even further down the league table when the new year rolls around.

The news is that he will be out now for three or four weeks, and that comes after he was almost in the squad yesterday, as it seemed as though everything was OK with his hamstring, so we’d like to learn more about what has happened to the mercurial French International.

After the Fulham game, in which he was easily our Man of the Match he has suffered a recurrence of the hamstring problem and missed the 3-1 loss to Manchester City on Saturday, and we have to believe he was not fully fit when he played last Monday night.

It’s always a temptation to bring top players back before they are ready, especially when the team is in trouble, as we are now in the league, and Graeme Souness used to do that all the time, but it only leads to longer injuries – and this is hardly good news for Newcastle.

Alan Pardew said this today about the Frenchman:

“There is a danger he could tear that and if he did that he would be out for two or three months whereas if we do it the right way and be sensible about it, it may only be three weeks. And obviously that is the route we are going to take.”

The facts are that Newcastle are going through one of their worst periods in their Premier League history having lost six of the last seven games, and there are some tough opposition coming up in the next four games, before we have a break for the FA Cup third round tie.

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228 comments so far

  • toonLYF

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Comment #1

    sirtoongospel…

    I would rather miss out and wait for the correct player, than sign rejects, though. Look at Sunderland with O’Shea, Brown and Cuellar. What a mess that’s turned out to be. They have one good defender and that’s Rose…and guess what? He’s on loan. Meaning they’re in need of a full new back 4 when he goes off back to tottenham.

    Back 4?s are based on consistency, bringing in loanee’s for fairly small segments of time is a bad move when looking to improve defensively.

    Colo is blatantly quicker than Lescott!

    Fair enough if the loanee was somebody like Raphael Varane or Junior Malanga, with the option to buy. That is rewarding.

    (not saying we could ever get Varane by the way, cause we couldn’t, just an example)

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  • Joe Blog

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Comment #2

    I guess we’ll be next seeing you in Arsenal colours – good luck.

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  • sirtoongospel

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    Comment #3

    toonLYF,

    our best player was brought in on loan. HBA. It wasn’t desperate and was a great piece of business. Loans serve a purpose. If it strengthens our hand for 6 months then I am all for it. Names aside, if a player can add to our depth, no matter what the period, then it can only help surely? I agree though that younger players with a view to a permanent is certainly the way to go if we were to dip into loan market.

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  • toonking

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    Comment #4

    i have been wondering if you bloggers want newcastle to play either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 then what is the point of signing remy who is another player who favours playing as a lead striker
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo%C3%AFc_R%C3%A9my
    now ok it does say he will play as a winger too but my point is why waste money on a secondry winger who would rather play as a out and out striker when we could spend the money on a winger who wants to be a winger
    i will be happy for remy to join as i am start to find 4-4-2 is good enough for us as long as we stop using jonas as a winger and start playing marvo and in january bring a top class winger in.

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  • Joe Blog

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #5

    Bring back The Gooch!

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  • toonLYF

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Comment #6

    sirtoongospel…

    My statement was primarily aimed at getting defenders on loan. Yes sometimes loans work out well but it’s almost always attacking players, a few examples would be Lukaku, Ben Arfa and Joe Cole to Lille.

    However as i said, good defences are based on consistent faces. Short term loans do not improve back 4’s.

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    Comment #7

    Good to see the depth of our squad is holding up.
    Toonlyf
    No one is suggesting compounding matters by not bringing in suitable players but the reality is we are fighting relegation. The sooner people wake up to that the better. Why is it we are unable to play a full 90 mins?! Pardew has never won a match with us in the EPL having conceded first……these are hard facts that need to be broken. Keep on with the same methodology you get the same results or in our case lack thereof. Myself, Beattie and others on this blog kept on going on about our miserable transfer window during the summer. I am fed up with mgmt coming up with feeble excuses! Words are cheap…..the board need to invest in a CAM and RB, CB and ST ……that’s the minimum and yet we’re only talking about one , two players ….give me a break. Oh and btw look at Swansea and what they achieved for relatively small money……not all players have got to have great sell on value…we’re not an auction company FFS!

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  • toonLYF

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    Comment #8

    toonking – I think most bloggers are discussing the signing of Remy in hindsight of losing Ba.

    Remy is similar in his powerful, driving style, however is also more than happy to play out on the wing. He would be a great replacement for Ba, and we wouldn’t have to worry about ACON.

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  • toonking

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Comment #9

    is this length of time just a cautious measureso he can avoid becoming totally damaged if it is then i would be ok with him coing bck in four week if not then i would want till around mid january before he return to the first team

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  • stuart no9

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Comment #10

    yep ED he was brought back far too early. he shouldnt have been risked, but who is going to take the blame? was it the physio for saying he would be ok, or pardew for ignoring medical advice and playing him? my gut feeling is pards ignored the medical advice.

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #11

    Toonking
    Valid point but I would rather have a player who could adopt more than one position as that gives us options. I’m pretty confident Remy would hit the ground quick as.
    As for set up I cannot see AP changing. He’s been so obstinate with our formation. For 4-4-2 to work you need good wingers and you also need world class wing backs! Much as I think Simpson is consistent to a degree as a RB as a RWB he offers very little going forward. We need to have more depth here in addition to wings with pace….Remy has that. Marv/HBA are creative players that flourish with more freedom, so a diamond shape in midfield would be the way to go. Ideally I would like us to sign 2 wingers…..but quite frankly given the board I’d be lucky to get a drumstick!

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  • toonLYF

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #12

    I don’t think we’re fighting relegation just yet. It’s december FFS! We’re not playing relegation football. We are going to be absolutely fine. Even when we’re out of form there’s atleast 6-7 worse footballing teams than us in this league.

    For some Toon fans it seems there’s only even extremely good or extremely bad. Its so Annoying.

    Why can’t some of you just accept that teams have dips in form, and couple that with our lack of depth, and you’ll get the answer to why we’re in the bottom half of the table. Things will improve, and you’s will look back and think how far-fetched your reactions were.

    Drama Queens.

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  • toonking

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Comment #13

    stuart
    could it not be the fans will be partly to blame or atleast lots of bloggers because just think bak to the fulhm game itself lots of fans thought pardew was stupid for taking him off so pardew was probably just protect himself from fan critism by start HBA as i bet loads would have thought of him as stupid for not doing so.
    the only thing pardew is to be blamed for is risking him in the europa league.

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  • catchy in norway

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Comment #14

    stuart no9

    blasphomy,, how dare you, take pards name in vain, it was the boards fault, it was the players fault, maybe even the madical staffs fault,

    but no matter what, it will never be pardews fault,

    he got us to 5th last year, look at the table , 2011/2012 we finished 5th,

    this means pardew can not be at fault for anything for the next 8 years

    OMG what will we do with you,,

    the very cynicle side of me says this leads nicely into jan transfer window 🙁

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Comment #15

    Toonlyf
    Hope your right but my instincts tell me that we are in for the long journey this season. I have yet to see a compelling 90 mins from the lads this season……but was encouraged by our 2nd half performance. Some idiots were talking about selling Tiote (fickle fecks) but the reality is I thought he was superb 2nd half and controlled the midfield and his passing opened up Citeh on several occasions! I’m keeping the faith but I am also a realist and know that the board need to surprise us all and sign quality and not neggle over 10% value for signing a player like they did last summer!

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  • sirtoongospel

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Comment #16

    toonLYF, this is our worst ever start in the EPL. We are almost half way throught he season, and will probably have around 20 points when we get there.

    If we beat QPR it might be 6 points from a possible 30. That is concerning at the very least, and to say we will be fine and everyone else is a drama queen is a bit bizarre.

    Ashleys track record says that we CANNOT be confident of new arrivals in January. If he doesnt buy 2 or 3 then he is a fool, but it shouldnt surprise anyone if that was the case.

    Now if he doesn’t strengthen, this squad is in danger. That is the reality of it. Then there is the flip side. Ashley buys 3 qualty players, and the top 6 are only 9 points away.

    The 2 extremes are not hat far apart, and for me they are only seperated by the transfer window. Our season could be cracking or disastrous, and both are very possible depending on Mr Ashley.

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  • catchy in norway

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #17

    toonLYF

    i am not sure if your aware,, if you dont win games or dont look like winning games there is a chance you could go down

    we got a lucky point at everton and 3 lucky points v west brom, 4 when it should have been 1, that would have left us 3rd bottom right now on 14 points,,

    love your optimisim though,,

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  • catchy in norway

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Comment #18

    toonking

    what a load of twaddle,,

    if pards thought like that

    simpson would not be playing
    jonas would not be playing
    cisse or Ba would not be playing

    he makes his own choices

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  • stuart no9

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Comment #19

    toonking i- understand what your saying, but i dont think he should have started at all. Looking at it, it was only a grade 1 tweak, which is not so damaging. but a little more time to get over it would have been the sensible option, i am sure the physio would have explained that to pards,however, we needed a win that night and i think pards risked him! it backfired.

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    Comment #20

    Toonlyf
    Hope your right but my instincts tell me that we are in for the long journey this season. I have yet to see a compelling 90 mins from the lads this season……but was encouraged by our 2nd half performance against Citeh. Some idiots were talking about selling Tiote (fickle fe*ks) but the reality is I thought he was superb 2nd half and controlled the midfield and his passing opened up Citeh on several occasions! I’m keeping the faith but I am also a realist and know that the board need to surprise us all and sign quality and not neggle over 10% value for signing a player like they did last summer!

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Comment #21

    ToonLYF
    Completley agree mate we have a couple of tough games before jan but wigan fulham citeh have all been improved performances and when we hit jan we have the opportunity to strengthen plus cabaye and possibly taylor back if we can continue with performances like citeh we’ll be just fine like

    Catchy
    You still offering ppl outside if they dont agree with you lol

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  • toonking

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    Comment #22

    spread the toon
    i under stand your point with simmo not going forward enough but having said that do you not think the santon is just as in consistant as a defensive FB as simmo is being an attacking FB.
    it’s having an over agressive FB which i believe makes pardew play more DM.

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  • toonLYF

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    Comment #23

    sirtoongospel…

    As an ST holder, i am well aware of our current situation. I remain calm and confident that we are and are going to be just fine.

    Of course i realise some things could be better behind the scenes, but what’s the use in getting upset about it? All we can change as fans, is how noisey St James’ Park is, so lets raise the noise levels, stop the booing and kick on up the table into the top half where i am sure we will finish!

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  • Pardews Perfect Battleplan

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    Comment #24

    so are people still predicting bottom 3

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  • Big Pappa Cissé

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Comment #25

    We must have the worst medical team in the whole country. Either that or we are really unlucky

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Comment #26

    Toonking
    Agreed but that’s the way we play hence DM – Bigi, Tiote & Anita. I have no issues with that……but take on board your point….Santon looked out of place at times and struggled to get back against Nasri….who IMO would have served a lot more damage had he stayed on the field, it definitely gave us problems…..not sure what the solution is…….perhaps play 5 in midfield and not bother with 2 upfront in a strike partnership…..afterall give Marv/HBA/Cabaye/Anita dare I say and Sissoko…..we could do more damage…I’d like to see Cisse on his own up front…just to see if that makes a difference….perhaps AP could treat Europa as a formation experiment in the 2nd stage with more senior players to remedy our EPL form? Any thoughts on this?

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  • Joe Blog

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #27

    Bottom 3? I’d say bottom 2 and down before we enter May.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #28

    Stuart
    I think its a tough call on benny tbf we dont know what happens behind the scenes and lets be honest this isn’t the first time its been questioned about the medical teams decision

    He may of been given the all clear after a good week of training and just tweaked it and the 3 weeks talk is just a pre caution

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  • sirtoongospel

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Comment #29

    toonLYF, there is no one more vocal than me at our games, and I have never ever boo’d the team. As i have stated in plenty of posts, we have good players, but we also have some poor ones. The big problem is that you can’t hide a poor CB.

    I just hope that in JAnuary we get the 3 players we need. If we don’t we will be in trouble. Cabaye is out for another 6 weeks, HBA for 3, Cheick goes away for a month, so we are in a sticky situation without reinforcements. We are in Ashley’s hands and I just don’t trust him completely that he will buy.

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  • Pardews Perfect Battleplan

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #30

    let me rephrase that.
    is anybody that matters predicting bottom 3

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  • toonLYF

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #31

    i’m sorry to get off topic, and off subject completely, actually.

    …but Drive-in Saturday by Bowie – how f-ing amazing is that song?!

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Comment #32

    Ppb
    😉 nope

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  • toonking

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    Comment #33

    catchy as you so negative about newcastle every single time your on
    here is a good sporting subject outside newcastle which even you must talk positive about
    WHO WOULD YOU PICK AS THE BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY OF THE YEAR 2012 AND WHY
    it would be nice for a few peoples choices

    hear is the short list of stars
    Nicola Adams, Ben Ainslie, Jessica Ennis, Mo Farah, Katherine Grainger, Sir Chris Hoy, Rory McIlroy, Andy Murray, Ellie Simmonds, Sarah Storey, David Weir and Bradley Wiggins.

    the one i would choose is
    mo farah
    the reason- until this year i had never ever heard of him as a long distance athlete and so when he went in the 5 and 10k race during the world championship s i just expected another british finisher but when he won it i was in a big shock already, but thought the pressure he would be under might be a bit too much. so for him to then go on and win not one but both the 5k and 10K in his very first year that he goes in spot light is an astonishment, and on top of that being the first british atlete ever to achieve this too. when you think of bradley wiggin and andy murray they might have made history themselves but unlike mo they have had years worth of attepting

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  • Joe Blog

    Dec 16, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    Comment #34

    Oooo, you cut me deep, you super-bitch!

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  • Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    Dec 16, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #35

    Joe

    Well I think his comment was in response to the fact that you’re being ridiculous.

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  • stuart no9

    Dec 16, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #36

    catchy—- do i detect a hint os sarcasm in your comment lol.
    ok sorry pards had nowt to do with bringing bennie back to early, so— off with the head of the physio, ok a bit drastic perhaps, – maybe a good stoning would be more appropriate
    so we need a new physio as well as half a team, cant see us getting all that for a couple of million. .

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Dec 16, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #37

    Easy….Bradley Wiggins…..1st ever Brit to win Tour de France + good Olympics

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Dec 16, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Comment #38

    Toon king
    Mo farrah all day long mate fantastic achievement for him
    Ennis close second
    Wiggins lost all his personality when he shaved his burns off 😉

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  • Spreadthetoon

    Dec 16, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #39

    Pure conjecture here but how many players do you think we’ll sign this January…..
    0,1,2,3,4 or unimaginably 5……if so where do you see the single most important position to strengthen?

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  • Ruddy Marveaux-lous

    Dec 16, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #40

    Are people treating sports personality as something that actually matters? Where is Johnny Brownlee? If we are to recognise superb athletes let’s encompass the less glamorous sports that don’t receive as much attention.

    Rory McIlroy? Sports personality? The man is an @sshole.

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