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Ben Arfa Out For Four Weeks – Was He Brought Back Too Soon?

5:09 pm, Sunday, December 16th, 2012 by Ed Harrison · 228 Comments

More bad news for Newcastle fans today as Ben Arfa is ruled out until the new year with his hamstring injury, and therefore he’s going to miss at least four games. And with Ben Arfa playing last Monday night at Fulham, and scoring that terrific goal, we have to think he was brought back too early and before he was fully fit – and we are now playing the penalty for that premature return.

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Ben Arfa – after scoring last Monday night at Fulham

Ben Arfa will miss at least the next four games at home to QPR and on the road at Manchester United and Arsenal and then at home to Everton, and if we cannot pick up points in those games we will in all likelihood slip even further down the league table when the new year rolls around.

The news is that he will be out now for three or four weeks, and that comes after he was almost in the squad yesterday, as it seemed as though everything was OK with his hamstring, so we’d like to learn more about what has happened to the mercurial French International.

After the Fulham game, in which he was easily our Man of the Match he has suffered a recurrence of the hamstring problem and missed the 3-1 loss to Manchester City on Saturday, and we have to believe he was not fully fit when he played last Monday night.

It’s always a temptation to bring top players back before they are ready, especially when the team is in trouble, as we are now in the league, and Graeme Souness used to do that all the time, but it only leads to longer injuries – and this is hardly good news for Newcastle.

Alan Pardew said this today about the Frenchman:

“There is a danger he could tear that and if he did that he would be out for two or three months whereas if we do it the right way and be sensible about it, it may only be three weeks. And obviously that is the route we are going to take.”

The facts are that Newcastle are going through one of their worst periods in their Premier League history having lost six of the last seven games, and there are some tough opposition coming up in the next four games, before we have a break for the FA Cup third round tie.

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228 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    sirtoongospel…

    I would rather miss out and wait for the correct player, than sign rejects, though. Look at Sunderland with O’Shea, Brown and Cuellar. What a mess that’s turned out to be. They have one good defender and that’s Rose…and guess what? He’s on loan. Meaning they’re in need of a full new back 4 when he goes off back to tottenham.

    Back 4?s are based on consistency, bringing in loanee’s for fairly small segments of time is a bad move when looking to improve defensively.

    Colo is blatantly quicker than Lescott!

    Fair enough if the loanee was somebody like Raphael Varane or Junior Malanga, with the option to buy. That is rewarding.

    (not saying we could ever get Varane by the way, cause we couldn’t, just an example)

  • 2 Joe Blog // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    I guess we’ll be next seeing you in Arsenal colours – good luck.

  • 3 sirtoongospel // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    toonLYF,

    our best player was brought in on loan. HBA. It wasn’t desperate and was a great piece of business. Loans serve a purpose. If it strengthens our hand for 6 months then I am all for it. Names aside, if a player can add to our depth, no matter what the period, then it can only help surely? I agree though that younger players with a view to a permanent is certainly the way to go if we were to dip into loan market.

  • 4 toonking // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM

    i have been wondering if you bloggers want newcastle to play either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 then what is the point of signing remy who is another player who favours playing as a lead striker
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lo%C3%AFc_R%C3%A9my
    now ok it does say he will play as a winger too but my point is why waste money on a secondry winger who would rather play as a out and out striker when we could spend the money on a winger who wants to be a winger
    i will be happy for remy to join as i am start to find 4-4-2 is good enough for us as long as we stop using jonas as a winger and start playing marvo and in january bring a top class winger in.

  • 5 Joe Blog // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:16 PM

    Bring back The Gooch!

  • 6 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    sirtoongospel…

    My statement was primarily aimed at getting defenders on loan. Yes sometimes loans work out well but it’s almost always attacking players, a few examples would be Lukaku, Ben Arfa and Joe Cole to Lille.

    However as i said, good defences are based on consistent faces. Short term loans do not improve back 4′s.

  • 7 Spreadthetoon // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    Good to see the depth of our squad is holding up.
    Toonlyf
    No one is suggesting compounding matters by not bringing in suitable players but the reality is we are fighting relegation. The sooner people wake up to that the better. Why is it we are unable to play a full 90 mins?! Pardew has never won a match with us in the EPL having conceded first……these are hard facts that need to be broken. Keep on with the same methodology you get the same results or in our case lack thereof. Myself, Beattie and others on this blog kept on going on about our miserable transfer window during the summer. I am fed up with mgmt coming up with feeble excuses! Words are cheap…..the board need to invest in a CAM and RB, CB and ST ……that’s the minimum and yet we’re only talking about one , two players ….give me a break. Oh and btw look at Swansea and what they achieved for relatively small money……not all players have got to have great sell on value…we’re not an auction company FFS!

  • 8 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    toonking – I think most bloggers are discussing the signing of Remy in hindsight of losing Ba.

    Remy is similar in his powerful, driving style, however is also more than happy to play out on the wing. He would be a great replacement for Ba, and we wouldn’t have to worry about ACON.

  • 9 toonking // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    is this length of time just a cautious measureso he can avoid becoming totally damaged if it is then i would be ok with him coing bck in four week if not then i would want till around mid january before he return to the first team

  • 10 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    yep ED he was brought back far too early. he shouldnt have been risked, but who is going to take the blame? was it the physio for saying he would be ok, or pardew for ignoring medical advice and playing him? my gut feeling is pards ignored the medical advice.

  • 11 Spreadthetoon // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Toonking
    Valid point but I would rather have a player who could adopt more than one position as that gives us options. I’m pretty confident Remy would hit the ground quick as.
    As for set up I cannot see AP changing. He’s been so obstinate with our formation. For 4-4-2 to work you need good wingers and you also need world class wing backs! Much as I think Simpson is consistent to a degree as a RB as a RWB he offers very little going forward. We need to have more depth here in addition to wings with pace….Remy has that. Marv/HBA are creative players that flourish with more freedom, so a diamond shape in midfield would be the way to go. Ideally I would like us to sign 2 wingers…..but quite frankly given the board I’d be lucky to get a drumstick!

  • 12 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    I don’t think we’re fighting relegation just yet. It’s december FFS! We’re not playing relegation football. We are going to be absolutely fine. Even when we’re out of form there’s atleast 6-7 worse footballing teams than us in this league.

    For some Toon fans it seems there’s only even extremely good or extremely bad. Its so Annoying.

    Why can’t some of you just accept that teams have dips in form, and couple that with our lack of depth, and you’ll get the answer to why we’re in the bottom half of the table. Things will improve, and you’s will look back and think how far-fetched your reactions were.

    Drama Queens.

  • 13 toonking // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    stuart
    could it not be the fans will be partly to blame or atleast lots of bloggers because just think bak to the fulhm game itself lots of fans thought pardew was stupid for taking him off so pardew was probably just protect himself from fan critism by start HBA as i bet loads would have thought of him as stupid for not doing so.
    the only thing pardew is to be blamed for is risking him in the europa league.

  • 14 catchy in norway // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    stuart no9

    blasphomy,, how dare you, take pards name in vain, it was the boards fault, it was the players fault, maybe even the madical staffs fault,

    but no matter what, it will never be pardews fault,

    he got us to 5th last year, look at the table , 2011/2012 we finished 5th,

    this means pardew can not be at fault for anything for the next 8 years

    OMG what will we do with you,,

    the very cynicle side of me says this leads nicely into jan transfer window :(

  • 15 Spreadthetoon // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Toonlyf
    Hope your right but my instincts tell me that we are in for the long journey this season. I have yet to see a compelling 90 mins from the lads this season……but was encouraged by our 2nd half performance. Some idiots were talking about selling Tiote (fickle fecks) but the reality is I thought he was superb 2nd half and controlled the midfield and his passing opened up Citeh on several occasions! I’m keeping the faith but I am also a realist and know that the board need to surprise us all and sign quality and not neggle over 10% value for signing a player like they did last summer!

  • 16 sirtoongospel // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    toonLYF, this is our worst ever start in the EPL. We are almost half way throught he season, and will probably have around 20 points when we get there.

    If we beat QPR it might be 6 points from a possible 30. That is concerning at the very least, and to say we will be fine and everyone else is a drama queen is a bit bizarre.

    Ashleys track record says that we CANNOT be confident of new arrivals in January. If he doesnt buy 2 or 3 then he is a fool, but it shouldnt surprise anyone if that was the case.

    Now if he doesn’t strengthen, this squad is in danger. That is the reality of it. Then there is the flip side. Ashley buys 3 qualty players, and the top 6 are only 9 points away.

    The 2 extremes are not hat far apart, and for me they are only seperated by the transfer window. Our season could be cracking or disastrous, and both are very possible depending on Mr Ashley.

  • 17 catchy in norway // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    toonLYF

    i am not sure if your aware,, if you dont win games or dont look like winning games there is a chance you could go down

    we got a lucky point at everton and 3 lucky points v west brom, 4 when it should have been 1, that would have left us 3rd bottom right now on 14 points,,

    love your optimisim though,,

  • 18 catchy in norway // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    toonking

    what a load of twaddle,,

    if pards thought like that

    simpson would not be playing
    jonas would not be playing
    cisse or Ba would not be playing

    he makes his own choices

  • 19 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    toonking i- understand what your saying, but i dont think he should have started at all. Looking at it, it was only a grade 1 tweak, which is not so damaging. but a little more time to get over it would have been the sensible option, i am sure the physio would have explained that to pards,however, we needed a win that night and i think pards risked him! it backfired.

  • 20 Spreadthetoon // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    Toonlyf
    Hope your right but my instincts tell me that we are in for the long journey this season. I have yet to see a compelling 90 mins from the lads this season……but was encouraged by our 2nd half performance against Citeh. Some idiots were talking about selling Tiote (fickle fe*ks) but the reality is I thought he was superb 2nd half and controlled the midfield and his passing opened up Citeh on several occasions! I’m keeping the faith but I am also a realist and know that the board need to surprise us all and sign quality and not neggle over 10% value for signing a player like they did last summer!

  • 21 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    ToonLYF
    Completley agree mate we have a couple of tough games before jan but wigan fulham citeh have all been improved performances and when we hit jan we have the opportunity to strengthen plus cabaye and possibly taylor back if we can continue with performances like citeh we’ll be just fine like

    Catchy
    You still offering ppl outside if they dont agree with you lol

  • 22 toonking // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:42 PM

    spread the toon
    i under stand your point with simmo not going forward enough but having said that do you not think the santon is just as in consistant as a defensive FB as simmo is being an attacking FB.
    it’s having an over agressive FB which i believe makes pardew play more DM.

  • 23 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    sirtoongospel…

    As an ST holder, i am well aware of our current situation. I remain calm and confident that we are and are going to be just fine.

    Of course i realise some things could be better behind the scenes, but what’s the use in getting upset about it? All we can change as fans, is how noisey St James’ Park is, so lets raise the noise levels, stop the booing and kick on up the table into the top half where i am sure we will finish!

  • 24 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    so are people still predicting bottom 3

  • 25 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    We must have the worst medical team in the whole country. Either that or we are really unlucky

  • 26 Spreadthetoon // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Toonking
    Agreed but that’s the way we play hence DM – Bigi, Tiote & Anita. I have no issues with that……but take on board your point….Santon looked out of place at times and struggled to get back against Nasri….who IMO would have served a lot more damage had he stayed on the field, it definitely gave us problems…..not sure what the solution is…….perhaps play 5 in midfield and not bother with 2 upfront in a strike partnership…..afterall give Marv/HBA/Cabaye/Anita dare I say and Sissoko…..we could do more damage…I’d like to see Cisse on his own up front…just to see if that makes a difference….perhaps AP could treat Europa as a formation experiment in the 2nd stage with more senior players to remedy our EPL form? Any thoughts on this?

  • 27 Joe Blog // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Bottom 3? I’d say bottom 2 and down before we enter May.

  • 28 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:49 PM

    Stuart
    I think its a tough call on benny tbf we dont know what happens behind the scenes and lets be honest this isn’t the first time its been questioned about the medical teams decision

    He may of been given the all clear after a good week of training and just tweaked it and the 3 weeks talk is just a pre caution

  • 29 sirtoongospel // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    toonLYF, there is no one more vocal than me at our games, and I have never ever boo’d the team. As i have stated in plenty of posts, we have good players, but we also have some poor ones. The big problem is that you can’t hide a poor CB.

    I just hope that in JAnuary we get the 3 players we need. If we don’t we will be in trouble. Cabaye is out for another 6 weeks, HBA for 3, Cheick goes away for a month, so we are in a sticky situation without reinforcements. We are in Ashley’s hands and I just don’t trust him completely that he will buy.

  • 30 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:57 PM

    let me rephrase that.
    is anybody that matters predicting bottom 3

  • 31 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    i’m sorry to get off topic, and off subject completely, actually.

    …but Drive-in Saturday by Bowie – how f-ing amazing is that song?!

  • 32 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Ppb ;) nope

  • 33 toonking // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    catchy as you so negative about newcastle every single time your on
    here is a good sporting subject outside newcastle which even you must talk positive about
    WHO WOULD YOU PICK AS THE BBC SPORTS PERSONALITY OF THE YEAR 2012 AND WHY
    it would be nice for a few peoples choices

    hear is the short list of stars
    Nicola Adams, Ben Ainslie, Jessica Ennis, Mo Farah, Katherine Grainger, Sir Chris Hoy, Rory McIlroy, Andy Murray, Ellie Simmonds, Sarah Storey, David Weir and Bradley Wiggins.

    the one i would choose is
    mo farah
    the reason- until this year i had never ever heard of him as a long distance athlete and so when he went in the 5 and 10k race during the world championship s i just expected another british finisher but when he won it i was in a big shock already, but thought the pressure he would be under might be a bit too much. so for him to then go on and win not one but both the 5k and 10K in his very first year that he goes in spot light is an astonishment, and on top of that being the first british atlete ever to achieve this too. when you think of bradley wiggin and andy murray they might have made history themselves but unlike mo they have had years worth of attepting

  • 34 Joe Blog // Dec 16, 2012 at 5:59 PM

    Oooo, you cut me deep, you super-bitch!

  • 35 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Joe

    Well I think his comment was in response to the fact that you’re being ridiculous.

  • 36 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    catchy—- do i detect a hint os sarcasm in your comment lol.
    ok sorry pards had nowt to do with bringing bennie back to early, so— off with the head of the physio, ok a bit drastic perhaps, – maybe a good stoning would be more appropriate
    so we need a new physio as well as half a team, cant see us getting all that for a couple of million. .

  • 37 Spreadthetoon // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    Easy….Bradley Wiggins…..1st ever Brit to win Tour de France + good Olympics

  • 38 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:02 PM

    Toon king
    Mo farrah all day long mate fantastic achievement for him
    Ennis close second
    Wiggins lost all his personality when he shaved his burns off ;)

  • 39 Spreadthetoon // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Pure conjecture here but how many players do you think we’ll sign this January…..
    0,1,2,3,4 or unimaginably 5……if so where do you see the single most important position to strengthen?

  • 40 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Are people treating sports personality as something that actually matters? Where is Johnny Brownlee? If we are to recognise superb athletes let’s encompass the less glamorous sports that don’t receive as much attention.

    Rory McIlroy? Sports personality? The man is an @sshole.

  • 41 sirtoongospel // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    toonking, Mo has been a top class distance runner for years. As for Wiggins he changed from being a track cyclist where he was Olympic Champ to road races, which is chalk and cheese. The transition was amazing. But picking a winner is bloody difficult this year!!

    I think that the 3 you mentioned would be my top 3, not sure which order though!!

    There are some other great candidates though. For overseas POTY it has to be Messi doesn’t it? Been even better than the likes of Bolt. And team of the year for me goes to the RYder Cup Team

  • 42 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    SPOTY, you ask?

    The great Perchinho of course, originally of British descent, so he counts. Not to be mistaken for a Brazilian despite his many characteristics that would say other wise, including his silky skills with the football, and the fact his 11 year old brother deals Heroin and has 3 guns, one of which he bought from a 7 year old.

  • 43 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    Eric bristow should win.

  • 44 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM

    ssooooooo

    we are looking like close to relegation :) What a year difference makes its scary all the games that swung our way last year are slipping this year…. our back four are horrid and are conceding like swiss cheese.

    MA has not got proof what a mistake it was not to sign players like douglas in JAN….

    I feel sad this year again after that great year…just goes to show our kit this year is lame as last years one was superb.

  • 45 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    @toonlyf lol

  • 46 toonking // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    ruddy if you think sports like atletics and cycling are big sports then you need to check your brain
    apart from the tour de france and olimpics when else has there been any big positive stories in cycling
    and the same with atletics because apart from the world championships and olimpic there is nothing much else

    even darts and snooker gets more media than athletics does yet they have had no winners in the last 10 years

  • 47 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    watching the Galatasaray – Fenerbahce match. Atmosphere puts any EPL derby to shame to be fair.

  • 48 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:16 PM

    Transfer Sage – sorry went away for a moment, have to disagree about the first goal mate, even though I was there I YT’s it to give the benefit of the doubt, but although Colo may have played the line onside by a step, santon was adrift by two yards inside his man, watching the ball come through instead of his mark’s run, patently no way he could catch up and pointless waving for offside. He should have kept on his shoulder so he could keep inside and shepherd him to the byline. Its basic.

  • 49 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    toon LYF @ 22 “” all we can do as fans is raise the noise levels ” sorry i disagree . we as fans have more clout than you think. we are the most important people at the club. we keep the club ticking over , as did our parents , and as will our children . what we are doing at the minute is ALLOWING ashley to run the club how he likes ! – we could put a stop to that easily, however, i dont think that will happen as too many fans seem to be against boycotting games, but it could be done.

  • 50 Spreadthetoon // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    fyi
    “Between Demba Ba and Cisse we’ve had 100 shots, yet only scored 13 goals.”

  • 51 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    ToonLyf – yeah I miss the stabbings and being set ablaze with a flare.

  • 52 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:21 PM

    Do you think MoN would get away with planting the mackem flag on our centre spot? Thoughts?

  • 53 thetoonrme // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    personally think anita is starting to perform and brings different stregnths to our game,also marveoux is starting to show a bit of form.

  • 54 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    Strike that – MoN wont be there come Feb.

  • 55 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    stuart – Boycotting games goes against everything you have just said, aswell as everything you stand for as a fan of a football team. I am very against the idea.

    Tsunki – i think blood can be quite artistic and i get pretty cold in the gallowgate these days, so i’m open to both idea’s ;)

    in all seriousness, it sounds like a constant blast of thunder around the ground, it’s unbelievable – or maybe my speakers are just fcked?

  • 56 BelfastMagpie // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    Talking to yourself there skunki..

  • 57 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    No ToonLyf you’re right – somehow with less violence and family inclusion the partisan atmosphere has become much subdued in recent times. Probably even swung entirely the other way. Before long we will be back to mumbling ‘Huzzah!’, ‘Jolly well done!’ and twirling rattles again.

  • 58 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    Belfast quit with the Skunk thing its not even funn….oh wait ha ha ha ha I get it …..

  • 59 BelfastMagpie // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Watching the Psg v Lyon match tonight.

    Hate that spoty shite, biggest load of dog poo ever.

  • 60 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Anyone rate Danny Rose? I like the lad and I can say that as he isn’t actually a Mackem player and is solely trying to get as close to Newcastle as he can to put himself in the shop window

  • 61 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Tsunki, get yasell’ to a Durham A.F.C game to facilitate that need my friend. Amish cnuts!

  • 62 ash1001 // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    At the present time Pardew has the best excuse in the world INJURIES, and he will probably use it until the treatment room is clear (if ever), then it will be something else – Europa cup, FA Cup, two things win games – scoring goals and not conceding them, at present we are doing neither very well.
    What really worries me, and none of us know the answer is ‘What is Mike Ashley and Llambias thoughts on the position we are in, do they care, I get the impression that possibly they do not – Ashley has new toys Rangers and the 50 million casino he’s about to buy, do not think he even comes to the games now, fact is I have no confidence in Pardew hammering on the door saying we need this, we need that.
    Once again yesterday our best to attackers were defenders, then Pardew starts with his silly substitutions and everything goes belly up. Jonas bypasses all of them, Santon is moved to RB that stops him attacking as much as he did at LB, Simpson is the fall guy again, substitutions made no impact whatever. Worrying days.

  • 63 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:32 PM

    (that is of course what the A in Durhams “A.F.C” stands for, Amish….Durham’s Amish Fcuking Cnuts)

  • 64 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    Good finish by Garcia for espanyol against Real Madrid

  • 65 BelfastMagpie // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:34 PM

    Sorry Skunki :-)

  • 66 ash1001 // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Re transfer window in January – how long does it last, my understanding is that if the incoming player is from outside the PL, then we can make pre-contract agreements now, which means that they can play for NUFC as soon as the window opens, not haggle on as Llambias seems to do every window until its to late.
    Chelsea do this all the time, time we did the same, we need the reinforcements first day of window, not the last.

  • 67 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Nick_9 – I think Danny Rose is one of the best left backs in the league already! He reminds me quite alot of Anita, actually (and looks like him too). Very good player, would take him to replace Simmo in a heartbeat.

  • 68 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    my guess is right now ash will be bricking it because of our form. the lower we drop the closer he gets to losing 20million coming in

  • 69 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    Toonlyf – I like the look of him, he isn’t a massive name either so I don’t think he would cost loads. Looks a very promising player for his age.

    Ash – would be nice if we could conduct our business early and hopefully reap the rewards sooner

  • 70 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    pardews perfect @ 29 yeah me.

  • 71 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:48 PM

    nick_9…

    Mackems seem to think they could get him for £5m; although i don’t think they could get him at all. £5m seems about right though, and would be a bargain for any team imo.

    Of course, Spurs may want to keep him, sending him on loan would suggest that.

    Englands next LB for sure.

  • 72 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    Rose makes Simmo look like like a bum

  • 73 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    toonking @32 ALAN PARDEW.

  • 74 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:52 PM

    @stu you do matter but i think we’ll finish 14th at lowest. i have a gut feeling that the second half of the season will bring some good victories. or that could be hope. some of us still have hope lol

  • 75 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Play Ba until he’s off in Jan and play Cisse down the middle and that alone will see us finish mid table.

    In me ‘umble opinion. (tugs forelock, dips lid et al)

  • 76 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Try again-

    Play Ba WIDE until he’s off in Jan and play Cisse down the middle and that alone will see us finish mid table.

    In me ‘umble opinion. (tugs forelock, dips lid et al)

  • 77 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    toonLYF i only questioned your importance as a fan, you said there is nothing we could do- and i said as a fan- we are the only ones who can do something about it ! – if you choose not to – that is up to you.

  • 78 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    I’d have any of Boumsong, Cacapa and Onyewu back in Jan. We need to make sure that Williamson never gets near the first team again.

  • 79 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    stuart no9 – That is fair enough, but i think when it comes down to it, Fans can only really make an impact via noise in the ground, be it positive or negative.

    Do you really think Ashley misses the few thousand that don’t turn up when we’re not in form, or when he’s done something to upset them? I don’t think he does.

  • 80 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    Kets
    Then your a clown
    Willo was solid yesterday give him some credit when its due otherwise you just sound like a single minded arrogant idiot

  • 81 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    We also made a mistake not signing Bernard Mendy on a free transfer 2 seasons ago.

  • 82 obatoyou // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    lol i remember cacapa

  • 83 WWYCD // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    Kets
    Not Bramble?

  • 84 obatoyou // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    only just tho lol, what made u think of cacapa kets

  • 85 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    Didier Domi should not have been let go so soon. In my opinion, he was a highly influential player. He had pace, he was creativity, good in the tackle etc. Distin, Goma and Bassong were all decent centre backs whom we let go after just one season. We’ve made some bad decisions.

  • 86 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:12 PM

    yeah, signing a centre back guarrantees little with our track record of the midas touch in reverse in that position. So many of them magically turn to shit when they pull on our famous guernsey.

  • 87 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    Bramble was better than Willo but he made too many silly mistakes and cost us goals. Bramble was better on the ball and scored a few goals.

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:14 PM

    Tsunki

    The first goal.

    If santon came closer to nasri then nasri would have moved closer to colo. if this happened then nasri would have just moved over too.

    Eventually colo and santo would be stood on each others toes.

    Players can always get eternally CB and FB as they can’t be touch tight to each other.

    The main problem was colo dropping off to play him onside, that was the big mistake

  • 89 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    It’s more of a stage fright situation with Titus. He has he ability, it’s just nerves that get to him.

  • 90 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:15 PM

    Richard Stearman or Tyrone Mears would be an upgrade on Simpson.

  • 91 WWYCD // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    Kets
    Habib Beye?

  • 92 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    Tads

    Previous article…sorry not heard anything on koscielney but i do think he is a decent CB.

    And you’re right, willo had his best game for a long time. Looke like the willo of 2 seasons ago

  • 93 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:17 PM

    are schools done for xmas now? otherwise somebody on here should probably be in bed

  • 94 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    A very good full back who is also a CB as a main position is George friend for Middlesbrough.

    Looked good all year and have a great game against Swansea last week starting as a left back he got forward well and solid at the back, switched to CB when an injury occurred and was solid their too.

  • 95 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:18 PM

    Yeah, he was a constant nervous wreck probably for fear of being pinched at any moment for various crimes of passion committed and the like.

  • 96 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:19 PM

    Cacapa was dangerous from corners and good on the ball. He should have operated as a defensive midfielder rather than a centre back. We’ve never had a solid backline. Even when we finished 3rd/4th, we needed to replace Aaron Hughes and O’Brien.

  • 97 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    willo reminds me of bramble sometimes. minus the bone crunching tackles and propensity towards sexual assault

  • 98 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Why on earth did we sell Aaron Hughes, he’d have 700 solid appearances for us by now if we hadn’t.

  • 99 BelfastMagpie // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    Aaron Hughes was sold for peanuts kets.

    And should never have been sold, in my opinion.

  • 100 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM

    Yeah, he does in terms of error making, however Brambles ball distribution is much better. I used to rate Viana and Clarence Acuna. They should’ve been utilised more. Lets hope the same doesn’t happen to Marveaux.

  • 101 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:24 PM

    Aaron Hughes was poor going forward but he was dangerous from corners. I remember him scoring against Troyes to make it 4-4.

  • 102 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    Habib Beye was a great right back for us and then Villa ruined his career. They’re doing the same with N’Zogbia.

  • 103 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    i always liked acuña he wasn’t really a big name for us but i never remember being disappointed by him

  • 104 check the toastie // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:27 PM

    Transfer – yep my smoggie pals really rate George Frind like, Simmo was truly woeful yesterday, i honestly think he would struggle to play championship football, heavy touch, no footballing brain, all he does is mark a part of the pitch, the gulf between him and Santon is truly incredible.

    There was so many times when he could have got involved in the play but just hid in his corner, he is truly shit and i have no idea why ‘The Clueless Parsnip’ persists in picking him. Marveaux must start in front of jonas next week.

    Simmo and Jonas are the teams major achilles heels currently, missing Stevy Taylor massively as well, but Willo does his best i suppose.

    Love the way people say Willo was immense in the air yesterday, must have been tough winning headers against Tevez and Aguerro.

  • 105 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:28 PM

    Most full backs are poor going forward.

    Most don’t get many assists or goals at all.

    The one thing they do though is overlap to create room for the winger and to drag an opposition defender out of position.

    I’d love Simmo to do that, there’s no reason e can’t just run up the line. His delivery could be poor but it might give Ben arfa that half yard he needs to cross or shoot.

    That’s my biggest criticism of Simmo, it’s just lazy. Bad crossing needs a lt of work, overlapping can be taught overnight. It’s jut running past your team mate

  • 106 BelfastMagpie // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    Beye doesn’t even have a club now.
    Released by Doncaster last season. lol

  • 107 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    Would anyone else take Rhys Williams from the Smoggys ?

  • 108 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    Checking expected willo to win headers yesterday so not too much praise for winning them.

    My praise was that he won them and manger to find a team mate with the header not just aimlessly knock it into the middle of the park.

  • 109 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM

    Big pappa

    Not seen enough of him to say really, but the odd game I have seen he seems decent.

    Would depend on the value really.

  • 110 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    @bpc we were linked with Williams weren’t we?

  • 111 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Of rather take Ashley Williams off Swansea to be honest, he is very good.

  • 112 check the toastie // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:32 PM

    Clarence Acuna was shit, trly shit, couldnt have played for Hartlepool for me.

    Helder was a class CB was here for half a season on loan from Deportivo, classy lad, we could do with someone like him.

    Really feel sorry for Cisse currently, lads working his knackers off, Pardew is destroying him, only Newcastle No.9 to be expected to cover a full back most of the game.

  • 113 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:34 PM

    pardews perfect @ 72 i wish i still had some hope, i really do i suppose that comes with supporting the love of my life for nearly 50 years. my teeth itch when i see all these clubs winning cups ,winning leagues, what have i seen ? the fairs cup in 68 a couple of 2nd division league winners – erm – an intertoto cup. how much has that cost me over the years ? not just money, also a marriage. one saturday the missus said ” you think more of newcastle united than you do of me,- i said i think more of sunderland than i do of you! – needless to say i got my cards that weekend! yep its cost a lot that fairs cup and intertoto cup.

  • 114 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM

    I remember seeing Cacapa play for us in one of the cups and though he looked decent. How wrong was I :)

  • 115 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    @stu i can respect that but ill always hold hope

  • 116 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:37 PM

    If I was Ashley I would be ordering graham Carr and a team of scouts to go to Spain for the season.

    The financial state if that country means all but Madrid and barca are selling clubs now, they haven’t for money and need to sell.

    Plenty bargains to be had and a rule of the league is that all players have release clauses. A lot are quite high but there will be bargains to be had.

  • 117 nufcusa // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM

    Transfer sage .., u say willo looked like the willo of 2 years ago…., that wa a championship player! That can’t be good!!

    All jokes aside, he may of been better yesterday and I have no issue with him as a back up but he is simply not good enough as starter.

    Need a RB and a CB and my preference would be players who have played in the premier league. Buy Douglas or Debuchy etc in summer and give them a settling in period. As games tick away we don’t have the luxury of a bedding in period for any player.

    Micah Richards must surely want to play football? Get him on loan. Would Alan Hutton offer more than simmo? Just throwing out possible options.

  • 118 Ian Toon // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    Ruddy rude brothers @ 39 – you seem to be flitting
    manically from brash self confidence to whimpering
    depression. Bradley Wiggins for me.

  • 119 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:39 PM

    @ Check

    Thats just Pardew’s defensive mindset I’m afraid. Imagine plating Shearer right wing :). The men in white coats would come and take you away

  • 120 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:40 PM

    BPC – we were linked with Williams a while back but there was talk of him costing 10 million. No thanks. Same with the west ham defender, Tompkins was it?

    I don’t think Williams would be in a hurry to leave Swansea for us at the moment, Swansea might not want to deal with us after the incident with Neil Taylor as well.

  • 121 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM

    Kets…

    that game against Troyes was unbelievable!

    Also have you watched Viana for Braga recently? Controls games Pirlo-style, quality player.

  • 122 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:42 PM

    Nufcusa

    2 years ago was our first season back up in the prem.

    Alan Hutton is useless now I think. Micah Richards is very good but out injured and not sure city would loan him.

  • 123 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Sage we was meant to have sent scouts to holland, Germany and France but only really raided the French market. The Dutch, Germans and Spanish all have good national sides and have plenty of players we can look at who aren’t even internationals yet. Most of our recent signings under Carr have come good it’s just a shame we cannot sign more of his targets.

  • 124 Ian Toon // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:44 PM

    Great to hear the crowd singing Walking in
    a Pardew Wonderland.

  • 125 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    We would never get Micah Richards like. Best English RB imo, dunno’ how he never gets in the England team.

  • 126 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    @ Sage

    I agree. You just have to look at what Michu has done in his first EPL season as well as the likes of Cazorla,Mata & Silva. Also La liga and the Spanish national side are dominating most competitions lately

  • 127 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:46 PM

    Nick

    I imagine if Carr and his boys were in Spain we could have found players like michu for example.

    There is so much talent in these countries that need to be watched. Glad we have scouts in South America now

  • 128 croftus5678 // Dec 16, 2012 at 7:55 PM

    nobby solano was our best wing back awsome passing with a great shot on him.

    and i honestly think top half of table finish and yes i know we are in trouble atm ect ect but its only half way and we are playing a hell of a lot better now even with the injuries we have.

    for me a striker is not a must unless ba goes cb is the possition i would say is a must followed by rb unless simmo stays on the form he was on at manc and other that that i would look at a true winger who can cross and take free kicks to take guti’s place and use him spareingly

  • 129 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:00 PM

    Croftus,
    Injuries we have ?, there are three main injuries, two really as STaylor is always injured

  • 130 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:02 PM

    Forgot about Micah Richards. Don’t rate Ashley Williams. He’s not much better than Willo. Hopefully we’ll go in for Toby A.

  • 131 croftus5678 // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:04 PM

    @127
    arfa/cabaye/saylor/raylor/gosling=supposed to be our guthrie/ober
    all these have a use to our first team even though its maybe 3-4 of THE first team.
    so yeah we still have injuries.

  • 132 boater // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    don’t forget Ronny johnson who played for us at one point – though it’s easy to forget.

  • 133 croftus5678 // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:07 PM

    @129 sorry

  • 134 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:09 PM

    What about Carl Serrant or Brian Pinas. They were two decent players.

  • 135 Blaydon-Toon // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Evening guys just flicked through some of the previous threads noticed a guy go to toon saying how rubbish Anita is …. OMG what an absolute idiot … Not been on since City defeat but liked what I saw second half felt sick when YaYa scored we did not deserve that !

  • 136 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM

    Remember Pinas was on the bench against Barcelona at the Nou Camp, but he was never utilised.

  • 137 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:13 PM

    Cisse is out of contract this summer, is he free to talk to clubs in January? I hope so. Get rid of him and his 60k a week wages would save us over 1.5 million in wages which could go towards someone else’s.

  • 138 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:15 PM

    Croftus,
    I’ll give you RTaylor but Goslling is probably better off in his current state as I believe he is a liability to the team, I think that Guthrie should have been kept and Posting sold to a Championship team or whoever would take him, but Guthrie probably got offered more money at a big team like Reading.

  • 139 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM

    Nick_9
    ?

  • 140 stuart no9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:19 PM

    toonLYF @79 – no he probably dosnt. but what will he do if no one turns up, or even 10,000 turn up , oh yes mate he will be bothered

  • 141 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:20 PM

    Transfer Sage – dont want to harp on about that first goal but we are going to have to disagree. I like Santon, a terrific young prospect who can only get better, but his defensive duties are being slightly overlooked in favour of his forward surges.

    I was at the match, recorded it on SS1 3D, then checked again on Youtube after your post, but each time I see the same thing – I see Toure spotting the 2 yard gap and the advantage the wing player had over Santon. He spotted the Channel, and Santon watching first his back line then the ball coming through. When it did come through, for a brief moment I thought Santon would spin round and catch up to his man, but he faltered and waved his arm at the refs assistant for offside instead. Funny that Bramble has been mentioned, but that ind of switch off is what I remember him for, although in Santons case I think he will learn from this.

    I do think you are right about Colo though – he is definitely caught in 2 minds, he knows he is double-marking and then doesn’t know whether to stay put and spring the trap or drift across and back and he chooses the wrong option. If I was being magnanimous, I would say a defensive error compounded by lack of synchronisation between two defenders. But on a good day for me, Santon would have kept his man on the shoulder and not allowed him inside whether the offside trap was sprung or not.

  • 142 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    WIKI
    On 21 January 2012, Cissé signed for Newcastle United on a five-and-a-half-year deal for an estimated fee in the region of £8 million, have you gotten mixed up with someone else.

  • 143 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM

    nick 9 – wow if that was Cisse’s contract it must be 2014 already? My watch must be broke again.

  • 144 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    Gosling was a gamble on a young players reputation. Time to move him on. Guthrie seems to be a player who is worth more in his own eyes, therefore not sorry he isnt ours any more. Besides I always thought he worked hard if you liked carving a rut along the centre line.

  • 145 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM

    Tsunki

    Maybe santon was a bit slack but I put the larger part of the blame on colo for dropping back.

    We both agree they were both at fault. We will have to disagree on who had the majority of the blame though haha.

    I do like santon but agree that defensively seems to switch off. Not sure if he is just nieve or whether he is just used to Jonas covering so gets complacent.

  • 146 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    Transfer – though I should add that Santon is in a very large club of defenders who have let Nasri past him :)

  • 147 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    We have far too many players in our squad that need replacing.

    Players like gosling, obertan, Simmo, willo, shola,

    All players I am happy to have come in for one or two games a season, not players I want to be regular options on the bench.

    We have a lot of depth but little quality in it.

  • 148 Tsunki // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    I dont want to be a Santon basher by any means though, I think he’s been standout. Its just this part he needs to grind down first and foremost for me. Then he will be a top, top player. He does need help from his compadres though, and this is an uphill struggle at the moment, unfortunately.

  • 149 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    By the way

    Falcao is just something else.

  • 150 nick_9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    Guys chill, cisse will not be leaving in the summer. I meant to put Xisco and have no idea how I could mix the two. Xisco is the striker we should try and get rid of

  • 151 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

    Watching barca vs athletico is just amazing. I would love a rich owner to get us players to play half as good.

    Two amazing goals in that game.

  • 152 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Tsunki,
    I’m not Guthries biggest fan but rate him much more than Dan Gosling, we obviously don’t see him in training so maybe the management still think he might come good, but the cynic in me see’s him as the cheaper option and that’s why he hasn’t been sold and Guthrie wasn’t offered enough to make him stop on, I honestly thought that when Virgin was made sponsor instead of my predicted SD and then Cisse was signed as opposed to someone like Danny Graham that Mashley may have had ambition for the club, but when little things like keeping Posting instead of Guthrie happens it shows he is just keeping us ticking over.

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:41 PM

    Jail

    How I see ashley is now similar to you.

    He wants to keep as much capital in his investment as possible.

    He won’t spend more than he needs to keep us a prem team. All the time trying to make a profit and hoping that somebody will buy the club for a good amount so he can just get out.

  • 154 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    Nick,
    I think they have tried their damndest to get rid of Xisco, but on 50K a week he’s not going anywhere unless he has to, he will leave us a very rich man and it serves Mike Ashley right for trusting the judgement of a certain Dennis Wise and his agent over NUFC legend Kevin Keegan.

  • 155 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    Jail

    Although xisco being here hasn’t helped the club and also hasn’t really made It more likely for Ashley to spend money i do get comfort from the fact he is signing him a cheque for 200,000 a week to just train

  • 156 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    *month

  • 157 toonLYF // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

    here’s a link to Barcelona V Athletico Madrid lads, great game so far 2-1 to Barca going into half time, Falcao, Adriano and Busquets the scorers. Can see a goal fest in the second half.

    http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/159223/2/watch-fc-barcelona-vs-atletico-madrid.html

  • 158 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

    Transfer,
    I held my hands up and said I was wrong about the SD shirt sponsorship and the Maiga deal falling through because STAylor got injured, although I was delighted to be proved wrong I feel like a mug to think now that Mashley wanted something good for the club other than an advertising station for his tacky brand, I’d like to think he’ll sell up but while the club is ticking over and more importantly for him providing an advertising tool for him he’s not going anywhere.

  • 159 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    Xisco’s a decent player. We just never play him. It’s another Marveaux situation. Pardew has his favourites and that’s why we’re near the bottom at the moment. Abeid should be chosen ahead of Bigirimana. Pardew signed Bigi, that’s why he chooses him over Abeid. Abeid is quality.

  • 160 Joe Blog // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was talking up Falcao 4/5 years ago.

    Bow to me.

  • 161 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    the next big star to come out of porto will be Jackson martinez. you heard it here first

  • 162 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Kets,
    Hasn’t Abeid been offered a loan opportunity and refused to go maybe his attitude isn’t the best, I know you have seen him numerous times in training and are therefore qualified to assess him above Big.

  • 163 WWYCD // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Who signed Abeid?

  • 164 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Tsunki,
    I know you’re trying to humour me in a nice way about Xisco but I see it as a serious waste of money just another example of the footballing Idiot Mashley wanting to do things his way.

  • 165 wreker16 // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    Kets

    Why should he choose abeid over bigi? When subbed on bigi scored a great goal, when abeid was brought on he was average at best. I’m not saying he should be judge on 1 sub appearance, but he hasn’t taken his chances.

    Abeid is clearly doing something wrong that isn’t getting him picked, bigi is doing everything right

  • 166 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    PPB

    Is he the winger man uttd have been after all season according to the papers?

    Jail

    Well The amount Ashley would have spent to have sports direct mentioned and seen as much as it has been around the world would probably be talking 10′s of millions so the advertising he gets free is saving him a lot.

    He has totally dominated the sports retail market since he took over NUFC (doing well before but moved on so much more now).

    I think he will sell up but it would have to be for a lot of money…probably more than the club is worth to some billionaire wanting to have a club.

    Also..just a thought….does anyone have a sister, daughter, cousin, etc (or any women fans on here) who would be willing to try and marry some billionaire nd get him to buy the club?

  • 167 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    WW…,
    Not sure
    But was just about to post that recently I have been given carte blanche on my criticism of Mashley, without anybody getting upset , calling thick or telling me how much of a moron I am, I wonder why that is…

  • 168 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    I dont get how you rate abeid so highly Kets.

    He hasn’t had a chance to show what he can do so the best I can say about him is I am unsure as he hasn’t had a fair crack.

    The worst I can presume is that he has a shocking attitude and shows very little in training.

  • 169 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    Jail

    If mashley signs us falcao in January I want you to run onto the pitch, with a mashley 70% SSD name on the back of your toon shirt.

    Agree? Haha

  • 170 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    @ts i think that’s rodriguez. he’ll probably leave within the next two summer windows. martinez is a cf. pacey, strong, skillful and can find the back of the net with head or either foot pretty damn well.
    rodriguez is a hotter prospect like but martinez is 26/27 i think and looks the finished article

  • 171 WWYCD // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    JfA
    I do believe it was Pards haha
    Well mate the tables have once again turned on our poor large owner with illegitimate lineage from down south as it the way for all gamblers one day they are the king of the world the next the horrible prat we all hate…dont fear too much though once we beat QPR u will be back to getting it in the neck :D

  • 172 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    Transfer,
    If he spends 15 to 20 M in the window without selling I will buy a pair of tracksuit bottoms and a SD mug from the shop in Eldon Square.

  • 173 WWYCD // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    TS
    Do u not see?! How can u ignore Abeid unrivaled quality! Better than Cabaye from what I hear and he is the heartbeat of his national team!

  • 174 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    @jfa because i find you funny

  • 175 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    Jail

    That will do for me. However if we dont sign two defenders I want you to rip up a sports direct advertising hording, write Ashley out and start the chant of ashley out during the game.

  • 176 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Wwycd

    So silly of me. A guy who is largely average in the reserves is bound to have an influence on the first team, how could I have not seen that.

    I sing the praises of Adam Campbell and believe he should be getting some game time so maybe I am as bad as kets

  • 177 WWYCD // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:38 PM

    TS
    Haha I have seen both play and although I have my doubts about Campbell making it in the long term as a regular PL player imo he is much further up the pecking order than Abeid

    I can see the exciting future Campbell could have local lad making it in the big time and hes blisteringly fast as for Abeid am not sure I see it personally, from what little I have seen of him hes looked average at best but who knows eh maybe Kets has seen something we all havent

  • 178 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    @wwycd aye he’s seen abeid get 20 goals/assists per season on his football manager save

  • 179 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM

    WW…
    Kets is a computer programme and statistically Abeid is probably a very good player.

  • 180 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    Wwycd

    I have no doubt in my mind that Campbell will be a regular prem player by the time he is 20

  • 181 BelfastMagpie // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    Abeid won sports personality of the year.
    In kets world.

  • 182 WWYCD // Dec 16, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    ppb
    Hard to argue against that on current options for reviewing Abeids quality

    JfA
    Well hes got a nice name maybe its something to do with that?

    TS
    I hope ur right mate I just worry he will be dominated by the defenders in the PL but only time will tell…hell we might be in the championship when hes 20 anyway

  • 183 eaststandgeordie1982 // Dec 16, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    In 2012 messi has scored 90 goals so far, in 12 years shola has only managed 74 wow

  • 184 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    It galls me to see that Spurs and Everton are lying in fourth and fifth spots two clubs that in my judgement are in similar stature to us if indeed we would not call ourselves a bigger club a little bit of salt in the wounds to see that a CB scored the winner for Spurs swell.

  • 185 Jail for Ashley // Dec 16, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    Eastend,
    For awhile now I’ve suspected that Messi is a lot better than Shola despite his goal at the Noucamp.

  • 186 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 16, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    Messi better than Shola ?, No way :)

  • 187 Transfer Sage // Dec 16, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    Eastend

    Ah but shola has 74 more goals than messi for has for Newcastle.

    Also shola has scored considerably more than messi against Sunderland. Proof shola is the better player

  • 188 Dannyo // Dec 16, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    On Adam Campbell.
    He’s due to have his first game against Southampton U-21 tomorrow since his injury.
    Not much time to play yet prior to his injury either tbh.
    It’ll come after Christmas me thinks tho.

  • 189 eaststandgeordie1982 // Dec 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM

    As a striker shola just averages over 6 goals per season wow hes unreal give him 6 more years.

  • 190 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM

    If Adam Campbell gets anywhere near EPL game time this season I’ll eat my own head to escape the consequences.

    Good luck to the lad, I hope he has a stellar career in black and white, but now is hardly the time to be further blooding youngsters, don’t you think? Good grief!

  • 191 jimmysmith // Dec 16, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    Shola seems to be employed purely for the purpose of slaying Mackems nowadays. Very rare to sight the gentleman on the actual pitch in a game of any real consequence besides the derby, it seems to me.

  • 192 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 16, 2012 at 11:28 PM

    Ian Toon

    What an incredibly sad individual you are. Once more lauding it over the rest of us with your psycho-babble. I don’t think anyone asked you for a therapy session so will you refrain from giving one you pompous git.

    Anyway, on football, what’s the topic of debate this evening fellas?

  • 193 Mint // Dec 16, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    MA will spend spend spend on midfield – especially with the 6 mil we get from arsenal for Tiote

  • 194 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 16, 2012 at 11:30 PM

    Mint

    Tiote has 5 years left on his contract. 6 million? Behave.

  • 195 t00ntime // Dec 16, 2012 at 11:53 PM

    So arsenal are buying cabaye, tiote, hba and ba according to papers. Cant believe people believe the papers. Arsenal wont be buying 4players in jan. i’ll be suprised if they buy any of our players. Only one who might leave is ba but tbh cant see that happening neither

  • 196 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 17, 2012 at 12:10 AM

    There’s nothing wrong with Abeid. I just think he deserves to start ahead of Bigi. I think Bigi was a decent signing though. I always said that Anita was a class player. We just need Debuchy, Sissoko, Aldererwield and Remy to have a half decent squad.

  • 197 RonVanDam // Dec 17, 2012 at 12:13 AM

    Ba made some interesting comments about arsenal. See link below

    http://goonertalk.com/2012/12/16/demba-ba-arsenal-are-one-of-these-teams-who-make-you-dream/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=demba-ba-arsenal-are-one-of-these-teams-who-make-you-dream

  • 198 nick_9 // Dec 17, 2012 at 12:16 AM

    According to tw@tter Ba is quoted as saying to the French media that: “I have nothing to say about those speculations [reporting linking to Arsenal]. Nothing has happened, The media know Arsenal need another striker and they know about my release clause. They need to make their own mind up about it. Arsenal are one of those teams who makes you dream.”

    Wouldn’t be surprised if its taken out of context but its never nice to know your players dream of playing for other clubs.

  • 199 Ketsbaia9 // Dec 17, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    We’ll have Giroud, Arshavin and Walcott in exchange then.

  • 200 RonVanDam // Dec 17, 2012 at 12:34 AM

    While on this topic, Why is our #9 a RW and not a CF?

    Its a given that BA is leaving,now pardew needs to put him either on LW or RW and cisse in the middle. Im getting irritated by Ba and this situation. Rather have him leave then stay and disrupt the team

  • 201 t00ntime // Dec 17, 2012 at 12:54 AM

    Its not a given ba is leaving… Stop saying that. When the papers said ba was unhappy everybody believed them (when he was happy), now the papers say he is out and everybody believes them.
    Hba said if a CL team came in for him he myt leave, nobody battered an eyelid cause the papers didnt mention it. People thought ba was leaving in jan, then in the summer now in jan again. If he leave he leaves, but he myt not.

    Why is our #9 playing RW? Cause numbers mean nothing, if you remember correctly ba was offered the 9shirt before cisse came but rejected it. Just cause cisse has #9 doesnt mean he can play average and still get a game. AP wanted to play cisse as ST amd everyone complained about him playin 442 or ba and cosse cant work together.
    AP wants them both on the pitch but is playing 4-3-3 so only 1ST.

    Now who do you pick? The inform ST or the off form one? Simple the inform one, so Ba. Then ask cisse if he wants to play RW or be a sub. I’m pretty sure cisse will choose RW.
    Dont say its because ba wont play LW, because again that was the papers making it up. Ba said himself he will play LW if AP asks him.
    Obviously he hasnt asked him cause ba is the inform ST. If cisse scores 4/5 in 2/3 games, ba will go LW and cisse will go ST. AP is doing nothing wrong with ba and cisse atm. We played a good game against man city definatly going forward. There is such much negativity in the world and at nufc atm so look at the postives and wait to see what jan brings before making conclusions

  • 202 RonVanDam // Dec 17, 2012 at 2:11 AM

    @ t00ntime
    Very good logical response. Have you ever tried coaching before?

  • 203 TurkishFan101 // Dec 17, 2012 at 2:14 AM

    @T00ntime You know nothing and have watched no games all season. Not once has Cisse played in a striking role this season, he has always been a poacher for target man Ba and has always tried hes utter most best to assist him. You cant call someone simply poor or out of form or even the matter of saying he was a one season wonder.

    If Ba was to pass as much as at the final third and not be selfish and always looking for a shot then we wouldnt be in this mess. The simple fact is when ever we played a 4-4-2 cisse was always in a CAM role or on the right wing. Even if Pardew plays 4-3-3 it dont change the fact that he has favouritsm towards Ba and thinks if he tells krul/willo/simp/guti to hoof it to ba, somehow pardew thinks Ba can create the luck and score but this has 100% obviously affected the squad moral and chemistry.

    So, if Ba goes we wont miss anything but go back to hopefully winning and thats if pardew comes out of his ways if hoof ball tactics.

    Btw, Abeid situation, the only chance he has had was against bordeaux correct me if i am wrong but it was a performance where the whole team team played crap that night because they were all confused with the mixed instructions from pardew which consisted of hoof ball. All you bashing at the lad, bare in mind that he was trying his utter most best to prove to pardew thatvhe deserves to be in first team but you simply cannot when a manager a clueless most of the time with hoofball!

    Lastly, Jonas situation I dnt understand pardew he seems to put players on with loyality and not ability + skill firsy. We all know what marvo is capable of but still witness pardew being a belle?nd of some sort.

    Transfers and the real possibilities, Debuchy is not coming thay case is closed. He himself said so recently and bare in mind also hes age. I still think we may go for eric pieters, Mbiwa signed a contract extension so thats off key as well. Douglas a possibilty but where we are in league i dont think he would come here for hoof ball. We may go in for npower league, you know what pardew is like he will proberly bid for mariappa again. Strikers? this one is very tricky situation. Their is allot of talent everywhere even in Turkey we got some young raw talent.

  • 204 RonVanDam // Dec 17, 2012 at 2:34 AM

    @ t00ntime
    I just want to add – Ba has said this week he wont sign a new contract if he’ll be getting any less then 90k pw.

    If Chelsea remove Benitez as their manager, i wouldnt mind him replacing AP

  • 205 t00ntime // Dec 17, 2012 at 2:47 AM

    @ronvandam no, no i havent. i also dont think i can be a coach. All i’m doing is pulling logical conclusions from what I have seen and from what I have noticed.

    @turkishfan to start with, ur write mate i never watch the games. and i dont know anything about football… i just search a random blog and a random sport and i just start writing crazy messages to p*** people off… -_-
    I never once said cisse was an one season wonder. But he is definatly off form. Lets forget where he plays for a minute. He has had quite a few good/great chances in the last 3 games yet missed them all, and if they are on target they are staight at the keeper. So his shooting is off form atm. He has had 37 shots this season, only12 on target, thats not a shot ratio of someone Inform.

    hasnt played a striking role all season, but he is a poacher for target man ba? a poacher is a type of striker… or are hernandez/ lineker/ berbatov not strikers?
    Yes cisse has played CF/CAM quite often this season in a 4-4-1-1 but the point is his is missing oppertunities that an inform striker would score. Rooney plays CF most of the time yet socres when he has the chance (not saying cisse is as good as rooney). he assists ba? yet has 0 assists to his name, so atm he is outform at shooting and cant create anything either. therefore my conclusion he is out of form. Can he get it back? yes i think so, but the last thing we need to do is out ba on the LW and pile the preassure on cisse to score all our goals.

    i never said anything about abeid so i’m guessing that wasnt aimed at me.

    why is jonas playing over marveux? because marveux has played 8games with 1 assist. he had a good game against wigan, that doesnt mean he is the best. Jonas adds defense which marv does not. we all so what happens when jonas gets told to go forward. santon gets exposed and they score goals. when jonas is helping defend santon moves forward more and less goals are conceded from the left. so the reason jonas plays is so that santon can have a bit more freedom and not have to worry as much about defense.

    Transfers, what a player says means nothing. carroll “i’m not leaving” gone
    enrique “i love newcastle” gone
    HBA ” i can be persuaded to leave” still here
    nolan “i love newcastle” gone+
    now: “newcastle can be annoying cause its like a fish bowl”

    players say whatever they can so fans dont dislike them. Debuchy wanted to leave all summer, stating how much he loves nufc. then a month later he doesnt want to leave lille? no, he said he doesnt want to leave so fans dont turn on him. Ba said “arsenal makes you dream” adn all the fans are turning on him. imagine if debuchy said “i want to go to nufc in jan, i dont want to be here”. The Lille fans would flip. Do i think we will get him? no. but never write anyone off.

  • 206 t00ntime // Dec 17, 2012 at 2:51 AM

    @ronvandam I’m not saying he wont leave. I’m saying nothing is sure. just cause a player signs a contract doesnt mean he wont leave and vice versa. Also when did ba or pardew say 90k? i cant remember it, i’m sure its a number the press made up. AP says there are some complications. dont believe everything you read. ( i will eat my own words if you have a interview with AP/ba saying about atleast 90k)

  • 207 t00ntime // Dec 17, 2012 at 4:10 AM

    seen so you guys never responded i found the article that claims ba wants 90k: http://www.nufcblog.com/2012/12/02/ba-wants-90kweek-will-likely-leave-magpies-in-january/

    notice
    1) his advisors want more money
    2) no quote
    3) no proof

    looked around on google. found 0evidence that ba asked for that or that wages are the problem. My conclusion paper talk. You cant blame Ba for what is written in the paper about him.
    O but you guys are right, the paper said ba was on his way out, so he must be. O and arsenal are signing:
    Giroud, diame, sissoko, acquah, hba, cabaye, tiote, nasri (swap deal for walcott), MESSI (yes a spanish newspaper said messi was on his way to arsenal) just because arsen joked: “We will buy Lionel Messi in January and surprise you.”

    must be true… the papers said so…..

  • 208 nick_9 // Dec 17, 2012 at 4:25 AM

    Yet to see any direct proof or quotations from Ba himself. All I have seen is Pardew answering questions every week about his contract and practically putting him inn the shop window all the time. Ba is scoring for fun, 11 goals and we are not even half war through, unfortunately we aren’t winning so he isn’t going to look really happy at the minute. I wouldn’t be surprised if the release cause is in there to counter a clause cancelling his contract if he gets injured. We all know Ashley is a tough negotiator and I’m certain he offered one of our better players a pay decrease in the past few years, colo? Or was it one who left. It’s very easy to alienate players if you are at the club, making them feel undervalued or making them out to be the bad guy. It’s easier to sell a player if that player is made to look like he wants to leave or like he is being greedy asking for more money. We already have fans turnin on Ba when the only direct news from the club is Parde stating that the clause is there and they have been unsuccessful trying to renegotiate it. With Ashley in charge I’m not surprised deals take a long time to negotiate, I thought Saylor and collo were off a few season back.

  • 209 t00ntime // Dec 17, 2012 at 4:37 AM

    thanks nick, finally someone understands. the fact that its the papers making ba look bad (not even our club) and fans believe it makes me worry even more about some fans even more. definitely seen so it was the papers making up stories about ba being sad last season.I thought we had learnt a lesson

  • 210 Santon03 // Dec 17, 2012 at 5:16 AM

    Regarding Ba rumours, I think he will go if his motives were money.
    We definitely need a CB(s) and RB, CB who can also play as a sweeper. I will definitely go for old experience good players like Zambrotta (free), Carvalho, Juan, etc. We might able to get them for short term contract like 1 or 2 years or on loan. when our young players play with those kind of player, they will up their level. Old players can be very useful, they are good in handling pressures and they will help our youngsters to mature quicker, when the youngsters are ready, they will take over from the old guys. At this time we only have Colo and Jonas, we need more because our youngsters definitely don’t give a shit about Shola’s advices and I can’t blame them. ManU called Scholes back from retirement and keep playing Giggs, it just shows how important these experice players are.
    If we do have to get another young CB, I would love to see if we can get Angelo Ogbonna.

    Regarding our play, we definitely need to work on 3cb(sweeper). It will take our new signings at least February to be effective.Until then, we will lose a lot of games if we keep using 4 defenders. We have major weakness on Willo and Simmo, and Santon bombing forward isn’t helping. 3-5-2 or 3-6-1 (3-4-2-1) will be the best way to play, 3-4-3 won’t do well since we only have 2 strikers + Shola.
    Definitely need Sweeper, maybe Colo or Perch will be more suited to that role.

  • 211 jimmysmith // Dec 17, 2012 at 6:22 AM

    We need to show Cisse some love as Ba can clearly look after himself.

  • 212 beefman13 // Dec 17, 2012 at 6:55 AM

    Toontime, some decent well thought out posts, the coins in the air concerning Ba and whether he will go, you were spot on about cisse earlier on, theres a lad who scored some incredible goals last season but as far as this term is concerned has really underperformed, no assists and none with Ba also, i still get the feeling he will get goals for us though in the second half of the season, Ba had quite a few chances in the second half of last season and like cisse this season did not look very likely to score at any time much even though Ba was playing wider at the time he still squandered chances and cisse was lethal, time will tell of course but i just get a feeling cisse will start scoring again after the xmas.

    One slight disagreement with you is about jonas being in the team over marveaux, sure jonas defends more bit likw a ten year ols schoolkid running from player to player but marv has the ability to create and os a confidence player who the more playing time he gets the better he will be and with benny out for a while surely a starter v qpr next week attack is the way forward especially ar the cathederal and marveaux can fill that ben arfa role if given a chance to some degree.

  • 213 beefman13 // Dec 17, 2012 at 6:57 AM

    Toontime, some decent well thought out posts, the coins in the air concerning Ba and whether he will go, you were spot on about cisse earlier on, theres a lad who scored some incredible goals last season but as far as this term is concerned has really underperformed, no assists and none with Ba also, i still get the feeling he will get goals for us though in the second half of the season, Ba had quite a few chances in the second half of last season and like cisse this season did not look very likely to score at any time much even though Ba was playing wider at the time he still squandered chances and cisse was lethal, time will tell of course but i just get a feeling cisse will start scoring again after the xmas.

    One slight disagreement with you is about jonas being in the team over marveaux, sure jonas defends more bit likw a ten year ols school kid running from player to player but marv has the ability to create and is a confidence player who the more playing time he gets the better he will be and with benny out for a while surely a starter v qpr next week attack is the way forward especially ar the cathederal and marveaux can fill that ben arfa role if given a chance to some degree.

  • 214 beefman13 // Dec 17, 2012 at 6:58 AM

    Toontime, some decent well thought out posts, the coins in the air concerning Ba and whether he will go, you were spot on about cisse earlier on, theres a lad who scored some incredible goals last season but as far as this term is concerned has really underperformed, no assists and none with Ba also, i still get the feeling he will get goals for us though in the second half of the season, Ba had quite a few chances in the second half of last season and like cisse this season did not look very likely to score at any time much even though Ba was playing wider at the time he still squandered chances and cisse was lethal, time will tell of course but i just get a feeling cisse will start scoring again after the xmas.

    One slight disagreement with you is about jonas being in the team over marveaux, sure jonas defends more bit likw a ten year ols school kid running from player to player but marv has the ability to create and is a confidence player who the more playing time he gets the better he will be and with benny out for a while, surely a starter next week,attack is the way forward especially at the cathederal and marveaux can fill that ben arfa role if given a chance to some degree.

  • 215 beefman13 // Dec 17, 2012 at 7:02 AM

    Apologies about the same post three times, it said failed when i went to post it, and again after that, first time on the mobile version!

  • 216 Indian Magpie // Dec 17, 2012 at 7:20 AM

    The Cynic in me says That a deal has been done for Ben Arfa and he is gonna go

  • 217 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 17, 2012 at 7:20 AM

    Toontime
    Some cracking posts there mate conpletly agree mate no matter what he’s doing or where on the pitch he’s playing poor demba seems to kop alot of undeserved stick
    How many other clubs fans knock there strikers when they’ve already bagged 11 goals before jan

  • 218 Ginger // Dec 17, 2012 at 7:40 AM

    Am I the only one that would hate it if a rich owner came and bought us out?

    It just seems like the easy way to get things done, all I want is a owner that will put decent money in for the players we need and when they need them.

    Having a rich owner that just paid over the odds for people would annoy me, even if they helped us win the league. I’d rather claw our way up and be in a top four position then that. In fact, I’d rather have a midtable finish.

  • 219 Indian Magpie // Dec 17, 2012 at 7:45 AM

    Ginger

    Any1 but Ashley

  • 220 JAMSHA // Dec 17, 2012 at 7:49 AM

    Indian Magpie

    The news is on.twatter about arfa likely to.leav for man u,arsnal

  • 221 Santon03 // Dec 17, 2012 at 7:53 AM

    One thing for sure need to strengthen defense if Santon or fb has to help attack. Santon looked amazing going forward, if he played as winger and put Jonas or Fergie as LB will be amazing. He can run through any defense like against MC.
    Maybe we need LB as well so Santon can be a winger. He is like Jonas (few years ago) or HBA, his dribbling is amazing.

  • 222 Indian Magpie // Dec 17, 2012 at 8:02 AM

    Jamsha

    Don’t believe ashley. he is capable of anything

  • 223 Santon03 // Dec 17, 2012 at 8:05 AM

    When I watched Santon during Mourinho Inter, one of the midfields always drop back as a sweeper (Cambiaso or Motta or Zanetti) and became 3 man defense. We don’t do that, Tiote never drop back as sweeper (hopefully not).

  • 224 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 17, 2012 at 8:23 AM

    Good morning,

    What’s new in the world of toon then?

    Benny out? Give me one second to get my pointing finger of blame out…..

    ….okay then. Pardew! Physios! Any name or job description beginning with a P basically!

    Catchy….I do think your mistaking a lot of peoples stance on Pardew. It’s not that he is completely faultless and does nothing wrong, he is human after all, it’s just we don’t agree it’s 95% his fault like your posts indicate and that he deserves more time, is that any clearer?

  • 225 Rotonda heights // Dec 17, 2012 at 8:34 AM

    The sickening thing about our situation now, ie 15th is that we are now very vulnerable to losing some of the best players we’ve ever assembled at any one time.

    All we need is a consistently good manager who will let them play for 90 mins and an owner who will sign Carr’s recommendations.

    The other side of the coin is who is going to want to come to a struggling team in Jan?

    It’s very ironic Hughton has Norwich in 7th place on far, far more limited resources than ourselves. So the endless injury, EL and personnel excuses just don’t wash at all.

    Ba says Arsenal make you dream. I don’t think we can ever accuse Pardew of that! He doesn’t have to pick Willo, Simmo and Jonas every match. He doesn’t have to play Ba and Cisse together every match.

    Pardew is a play it safe merchant who is stopping the players getting us off our seats. Well the good players will be getting off their seats and on their bikes.

    Ginger

    Apparently Ashley turned down the Mansoors before they got city and can anyone really say hand on heart they wouldn’t want a bit of that. A proper manager with a great CV, top players etc, etc.

    I would take Ambani or Carlos Slim in a heatbeat. City were nothing before. Now there are at least 4/5 teams who can win things. No one complained when we paying world record fees for Shearer etc.

  • 226 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM

    Rotonda….So we finished higher than Chelsea last year, are we better than them or was Pardew better than Di Matteo?

    I get what you’re saying, things aren’t great, not at all at the minute, but I’m not sure how you can just discount of injury, EL games, lack of new players completely. They will have had some impact.

  • 227 sirtoongospel // Dec 17, 2012 at 8:46 AM

    Ibiza, you are completely right there. The fans are a bit frustrated, and there are things we all feel Pards should do differently. Having said that, last season when we were 5th there were people who did the same then!

    Football is a game of opinions, that’s what makes it so brilliant. At the end of the day though, Pards works with the players day in day out. We don’t. Having said that, I still think I know better than him!! As does every NUFC supporter!! lol.

    We have our problems this year, and some think it is all Pards’ fault. That is ridiculous though. To be where we are there is fault with the owner, the coaching staff, the players, everyone. If the players were world beaters they would find a way to win, regardless of Pards. They don’t though. We have a decent squad, but we are around 5 players away from being really good.

    What I notice is that we have half a squad who are suited to “hoof ball” as some put it, and half a squad who are wonderful footballers.

    For me, when I spend 2 grand a year on our 4 season tickets, I wanna watch good football. For this reason I want to keep Cabaye, HBA, Anita, Marv, Cisse, Colo, Santon etc.

    I wouldn’t bat an eyelid if we sold Ba, Tiote, Simmo, Willo as they all are either suited to long ball, or take too long on the ball. Of course, if those players left they need replacing, but with good technical players who are quick thinkers.

    Just now I see our squad and it is half way between 2 types of team. With a bit of tweaking and clever business, we could be such a good side. Pards needs to have a vision, stick with it, and see the job through properly. He has an 8 year deal, never again will a manager get the chance to build something special. Results haven’t been great, but if there is a slight change in the way we play, and we add a couple in January, then we would all keep our patience.

    But we need direction, and that comes from the manager. I have faith in him, but it is frustrating at times. Oh, and if these quotes are true from Ba, then I just wish he would leave and be done with it. I hate players using our club as a “stepping stone” to “bigger” clubs. Biased I most definitely am, but surely playing for Newcastle is an honour?

  • 228 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 17, 2012 at 8:53 AM

    Sirtoon…..It’s a problem of most fans really, whether blaming or protecting, we can all take it too far, when it’s probably somewhere in the middle.

    I think Ba can go, I do feel for £3.5m we’re perhaps a bit too eager to see him leave tbh. How we replace him will be crucial, whilst I have faith in Cisse, just relying on things to click if he plays upfront alone is a big risk seeing as Ba and him were the only Newcastle goal scorers on the field against City…

    Whilst Tiote is frustrating a bit of the time, he is also a great enforcer and we’d need a decent replacement. We may have that in young Bigi with Perch as well, but despite his yellows and lack of form this season (quite likely down to him watching his challenges as per Pardews instructoin) he is still a huge player for us and i’d be sad to see him go. But of course, as with anyone, he is replaceable.




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