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Newcastle Draw FC Metalist In Europa League

1:39 pm, Thursday, December 20th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 155 Comments

Newcastle were drawn against FC Metalist in the round of the last 32 of the Europa League, when the draw was made in Nyon, Switzerland this afternoon.

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Newcastle have drawn FC Metalist of the Ukraine in the round of the last 32, and the games will be played on the following dates:

First leg on February 14th at St. James Park – and the second leg away on February 21st.

FC Metalist play in the city of Kharkiv (founded in 1654), which is in the north-east corner of the Ukraine, and they play at the 40,000 capacity multi-use Metalist Stadium, which was built in 1926 and was recently reconstructed to its current capacity, in order to host Euro 2012 football.

The club finished third top of the Ukrainian Premier League last season, and came out top of Group K with a 100 per cent home record, and were tied on 13 points with German club Bayer 04 Leverkusen. They had a one goal inferior goal difference than Leverkusen but finished top because they took four points out of the German club in their two group games.

They drew 0-0 in Germany and then won 2-0 at home in the Ukraine, and they seem to have an excellent defense – conceding only three goals in their six group games.

They won four games and lost only once at Rapid Wien 1-0.

If we do get through the round, then we will face winner of the tie between Hannover 96 of Germany and Anji Makhachkala of Russia, and those games will be played on on 7th and 14th March – and if we get through that one we’re in the quarter-finnls.

We have to stand a reasonable chance of making it through to the last 16 – although Metalist seem like a very good side, but we hope most of all that by the time these games are played we are not in any relegation trouble.

Then we could even enjoy watching the games.

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155 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Magpie from Lithuania // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    and ANDZI OR HANOVER. GOOD DRAW. I AM HAPPY.

  • 2 Indian Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Ed you knew about Kharkiv

  • 3 Joe Blog // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Well while we’re there, why not scout the Tschernobyl area, see if we can pick up 7ft CB with 3 legs and super-human speed?

  • 4 Magpie from Lithuania // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    NO AJAX, CHEALSEA, NAPOLI, BENFICA, ATLETICO, BAYER, LYON AND OTHER REALLY GOOD TEAMS.

  • 5 Magpie from Lithuania // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    INTER, TOTENHAM OR LIVERPOOL ALSO.

  • 6 MacToon // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    Good draw for us imho.

  • 7 Magpie from Lithuania // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    TOP 8 HERE WE COME :D

  • 8 MacToon // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    So how did the mentalists do in their group, who did they play and how did they get on?

  • 9 nufcusa // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Only downside to this draw is the potential ofr long haul flights to Metalist and then Anzhi. This will make Sundays tough. However, if my calculations and dates are correct both away legs would be followed by home games against saints and stoke.

    Two very winnable european ties for a performing Newcastle. Heres hoping.

  • 10 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    I thought we played away 1st because we’re unseeded?

    Anyway good draw hopefully our shop is in order come February although it would be wise not to underestimate metalist or hannover and andzi for that matter. All in all though i don’t think the draw could have gone any better

  • 11 2_goal_tino // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    As i said on previous thread, I think supporters see this as a good draw with a great chance of progress. Pardew and the club on the other hand I think see it very differently, they will not be happy. I think it has all but ensured a run out for the reserves, nobody at the club wants a long trip to Ukraine and then potentially Russia.

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    decent draw in terms of chance of pregression.

    Would rather play a big team but this is ok.

  • 13 markmac // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    @3 LMAO

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    I dont see how a long trip will make much difference.

    Players can sleep on a plane…or lie down, not that tiring.

    Only in the country for a day or so therefore wont adjust to tme difference in russia so jet lag shouldn’t be an issue.

    A good nights sleep after a flight and the players will be fine….too much is made of travelling….especially when the club manage everything so you dont have the main tiring aspect we have which is stress (tickets, passports, family to watch, etc)

  • 15 Special K // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Dream draw from a progression standpoint. With a fully fit XI there’s no reason we can’t make the QFs looking at those ties. Anzhi didn’t look particulary impressive in their games with Liverpool.

    Let the bigger teams knock each other out and lets see if we have a glamour tie in the QFs. HWTL

  • 16 Indian Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    kharkiv will be tough, they were Qfs or SFs last year

  • 17 pieceofpapiss // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Lithuania, take your caps lock off!!! ;)

    Metalist is a tough game and Anzhi are a quility side as are Hannover.

  • 18 2_goal_tino // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    @TransferSage – Fans think that but all clubs in every competition complain about it, so there must be something in it. Besides it doesn’t matter whether it’s real or not, it’s how the club perceive it that is important. We already know Pardew thinks traveling makes the players more tired given his press conferences after away performances. If he thinks that he’s not going to start our first team cause he will, as he’s said many times he will prioritize the premiership. As I say it doesn;t matter whether this long trip stuff being a disadvantage is verified in physical performance it is much more important in determining his selection in the first place.

  • 19 MacToon // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    Their group and finishing places:

    1 FC Metalist Kharkiv – 13 points
    2 Bayer 04 Leverkusen – 13
    3 Rosenborg BK – 6
    4 SK Rapid Wien -3

    They drew with Laverkusen away 0-0 and beat them at home 2-0. Should be an interesting tie.

  • 20 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:03 PM

    2 goal

    agree that it will influence the team we take out there

    and also if you repeatably tell players they are tired they will be tired

    My point is that look at teams in NFL and football in USA….a regular league game can result in you travelling 1000’s of miles…..much further than a trip to the ukraine but they don’t seem complain too much when I watch NFL.

  • 21 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:10 PM

    Good draw from a progression view but ffs when we were back in europe i was looking forward to seeing us turn out against teams like lazio inter athletico ajax etc
    For all i know this is the equivalent of playing fcuking dagenham and redbridge!!

  • 22 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    Sage
    Agreed about MLS travel but thats why there season is so short!

  • 23 Joe Blog // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:12 PM

    TS

    It’s just a popular myth. A manager would have constructed it as a defence one day, it piqued other managers lugs up and they added it to their repertoire of excuses.

    I’m such a jaded cynic.

  • 24 2_goal_tino // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:14 PM

    Transfer Sage –
    Few things about that. US sports teams generally do stints ‘on the road’ to stop back and forth traveling. Most NFL teams for example play two away games, then two home games etc. NFL is very different too because there are over 50 players on a team with the lineups changing constantly and the total playing time is just 1 hour with short bursts of intensive action. Much less conducive to tiredness. Thirdly most teams are actually clustered in certain areas e.g North East. Seattle Seahawks on the other hand over on the West coast near Canada have no near neighbours, so there local rival is San Francisco. They as a team are famed for having one of the worst home vs away records of any team, precisely because they have to travel so far. Finally the regular season in NFL is just 4 months long so they have prolonged breaks

    I do agree with you though that a bit too much is made of traveling tiredness considering the fact they very rarely have to do it. I just hope Pardew actually gives us a chance of getting through by putting in a few of the now famed ‘purples’

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    tads

    mls is quite short but NFL goes on a while as do other major sports in america

    It probaby helps if you are used to all the travelling too.

    I’m not convinced sitting in first class is that tiring really.

  • 26 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    2 goal

    Yeh but even 2 away games at once is still a lot of travelling in the states.

    I think it doesn’t help that most of our players used to only playin in england and not used to travelling much.

    The main issue with travelling is purely that the time it takes impacts on the amount of time you have to train and prepare for games.

    Last year we played 1 game a week so had 7 days to rest and prepare….not we have 2 in a week so twice as many tactics and things to work on, less recovery time and less time to work on plans.

    Thats why I think during europa weeks we would benefit from a steady team, not chopping and changing 8/9 players.

  • 27 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:19 PM

    TS
    Not sure about that they have to press a button to get the stewardess to come over and then ask them for a drink then wait for it and after all that they have to sit up to reach there peanuts!

  • 28 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    “To put it in some sort of context – from 2013-14 the Premier League’s bottom club is guaranteed at least £60million. The winners of the league are in line for £100million, sums that dwarf what is on offer to anyone trying to climb out of the Championship.” The Journal

    On that basis it looks like ALL clubs will be busy this January…..just hope MA is willing to compete and put his money where his mouth is! We need at least 4 players and ideally 6 – no more excuses!

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    Tads

    Knowing how cheap Ashley is and how skilled a negotiator llambias is maybe our players load the whole plains luggage and sit in the Cargo storage just to save a few quid

  • 30 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Hopefully when these games come round we will be a lot stronger and we can give them a real game. Cabs and Saylor being back isnt going to be enough though imo

  • 31 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    Sage
    Aye i think the travelling excuse could perhaps be applied too players like wor perchy tayls willo simmo and the like
    But your dembas tiote cabs anita gabby colo santoon all have european and international experience
    Like you say a but much is made of travelling although i suppose it eats even more into the training and prep for a game

    Catchy
    What are we going to do for a manager now that martinez has done a pards and blamed there form on injuries this season? I mean martinez is such a yes man puppet always blabbing to the press with his pathetic excuses ;)

  • 32 catchy in norway // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    th good thing about this team is they have wrapped up there season for winter, and it wont start again until march,, this should be like a pre season game for them

  • 33 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    Catchy
    We wrapped up our season in August

  • 34 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:32 PM

    YO
    Completly agree mate
    In all honesty i was saying all summer we needed another creative midfielder, yes were stocked in CM but mostly with more defensive minded players oh and gosling!
    Also for me you cant plan a season and have taylor in those plans for the season he’s less reliable than an expired condom! A CB needs to be bought in that can easily walk into the first team, i like taylor but he’s never reached his potential and prob won’t through injuries think he gets alot of slack for being a local, who knows a new cb threating his position might up his game a bit
    Theres no doubting his fight when he plays throws homself at everything but technically he’s not great and always dread him being the last man!

  • 35 markmac // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    @28 – ”4 to 6” players? that would be nice,but really really cant see that happening, if we say 2 to 3 we ‘might’ have half a chance of being right :-/

  • 36 catchy in norway // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Charlie in the Gallowgate

    hopefully it will kick off for us soon,,

    wel when pardwho is gone it will :D

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    catchy

    whats the tv coverage like in norway? get many games or do you have to stream games?

  • 38 karasu // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    We’re really lucky to have a good draw. We stand a decent chance against a strong Metalist side. We must take advantage of the pocket of time from now till February to get our house in order so that we can take Metalist on with less worry.

  • 39 Tinman // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    Ukraine in the dead of winter. Bah. Just saying…..

  • 40 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    catchy
    starts Saturday 3.00pm – hopefully, fingers crossed and owt else

  • 41 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:51 PM

    toonarmydownsouth
    I cant disagree with any of that tbh, we need another attacking threat from midfield Anita is trying but he doesnt look comfortable in it imo
    As for Saylor hes a sick note has been most of his career and unfortunately its holding us back now

  • 42 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Pardews war cry :)

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8345592/Newcastle-boss-Alan-Pardew-admits-he-knows-little-about-Europa-League-opponents

  • 43 Indian Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Transfer sage

    In test series India Were Undone by COOK, and now we have BUTLER

    What is this?

  • 44 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    Did anyone see the draw what a bloody mess – loads of pots, loads and loads of balls, some bloke picking some out of each and putting into pot for the seeded team to draw – wouldn’t be surprised there was a cock up and some team complains.
    what ever happened to the old style of draw no seeds just the luck of the draw

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    wwycd

    the previous 4 years saylor hasn’t played more than 14 games in the league…shows we cannot rely on him. He is good back up though.

    I think to complete the squad two good windows would do it.

    Get douglas and debuchy in january….remy also.

    Then in the summer try for sissoko on a free and then bring in a good CB like yanga-mbiwa as well as the other pieters for fullback and CB cover. Also a winger and we are set.

  • 46 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:58 PM

    Indian

    Haha…never really noticed it like that.

    Looks like india’s game though this afternoon.

  • 47 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM

    TS
    Agree but when hes fit hes a starter not a back up (pretty sure thats how the clubs sees it) seems to be the reason we havent bought a starter CB in

    As for completing the squad it would take two good windows ideally but ur banking on no one leaving which with NUFC is never a good idea.

    Douglas, Remy and Debuchy in Jan along with Sissoko and Mbiwa signed up to pre contracts would be great but I would argue we would still need a striker

  • 48 Indian Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    TS

    Not Sure mate

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Indian

    India to win with 10 balls to spare is my prediction.

    Wwycd

    Yeh the club vue him as a starter in quality but his fitness record is terrible.

  • 50 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    TS
    It is I agree but I dont see anything really changing until either he or Williamson leave unless of course fat lad leaves his bank details out and Pards steals them ;)

  • 51 Indian Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    England to win by 9 runs My prediction and England to win by 157 runs my hope

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Wwycd

    I dunno of you were around earlier but I have asked people to find me a gay billionaire to Marry and then spend all his money on the
    club.

    It won’t be my ideal marriage but it could work if we get to see falcao at st James’ every week

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Indian

    Is that just to get dhoni to lose the captaincy?

  • 54 Indian Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Yes Dhoni and all his yes man

  • 55 Indian Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Men

  • 56 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    TS
    Haha must of missed that one. Though it seems the only billionaires who are around with the want for owning a football club normally relate to illegal acts…just so u know what u would be getting (for lack of better words) into

  • 57 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Yo
    I think thats part if the problem tbh, the club view stevie as a starter so perhaps anyone bought in would be to stand in when he’s injured and i just dont think it should be looked upon as that, it should be we need a top cb so we buy a top cb, if it means stevie lose’s his place then he has to up his game
    It could be argued that complacency is the whole issue with our season theres next to no competition for places
    Also agree that we should be looking at another CF regardless if ba goes or not!
    For me if ba goes then shola’s use becomes more limitef as he and ba do work well together tbh so would need 2 bought in as i dont see xisco being given a shout, ranger shouldnt be given a shout and if he is for me makes us look desperate consudering all thats been said and adam campbell should be out gaining experience on loan

  • 58 martoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    I thought Ed sounded quite an expert on FC Metalist until I realise he had copied it from Wiki :)

  • 59 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    Sage
    Elton john?
    He loves footy and blokes you just need to convince him that his hubby is a loser and wolves are not worth supporting and were set!

  • 60 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    wwycd

    like I say…not my ideal relationship but at least I get some good football out of it and hopefully the adoration of you lot

    except catchy when i give pardew a 30 year contract haha

  • 61 nufc debo // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:22 PM

    Not a bad draw, coulda been worse, coulda been better. If we play a decent side we’ll deffo take something at sjp and a tight display away will see us thru. I’m quietly confident and live in the hope that whatever comp we’re in we should give it a fair crack
    HWTL

  • 62 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM

    toonarmydownsouth
    Cant srgue mate but equally I dont see fat lad spending the money to bring in a top draw CB when Saylor getting starter wages
    Fair point on the complacency as well none of our starting 11 are getting pushed for their place which has caused them all to drop their game (mainly because our kids are not good enough yet the board put a lot of pressure on them to be)
    Ideally Ba wont leave we will still bring in Remy in Jan and a young striker in the summer, drop Ranger and Xisco will be off. Campbell out on loan come Jan as well

    Admittedly a bit too much football manager going on in my head there and no way will it happen

  • 63 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    TS
    Haha catchy will hunt u down if u do that but hey it worked well for Man Utd and Ferguson ;)

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    tads

    well that would work….him singing could woo me haha.

    Does he have enough to compete with city and chelsea? or will I have to look elsewhere and let some rich arab drill me for oil?

  • 65 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    wwycd

    I’d never do that to catchy…but if anyone started chanting sack the board that would be it…steve bruce would be hired haha

  • 66 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    TS
    Ur a better man than me then, I’d do it in a heartbeat haha Steve Bruce as director of football

  • 67 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    Sage
    Lol
    Reckon ol’ eltons got a few quid but he might have to stop buying all those wigs in order to get falcao in!

    Yo
    Aye but its good to dream though!

  • 68 rahulmagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    indian i hope u got my msg last nite, could not acess your profile, left my email id so that we can meet up,rahul_munich@yahoo.co.in

  • 69 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    toonarmydownsouth
    One that wont come true though. Realistically I am expecting 1 player through the door unless players are using the exit door

  • 70 Indian Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    Rahul

    I did send you an Email. did you not get it

    himanshu.dhingra.1983@gmail.com

  • 71 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    So predictions on the best game of the next round in the CL?
    Some great ties but looking forward to
    AC Milan vs barca
    Arsenal vs bayern munich
    Real vs utd
    These three will be absolute blinders like!

  • 72 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    Yo
    Yeah its gonna be a tense month the club really need to play it right, i think to keep the fans and players happy we really need 3 players, decent ones! Say debuchy alderwield and remy or alderwield sissoko and remy (cant see debuchy coming until we’ve got shot of simmo)
    Transfers are so important these days in jan dont want us to be like QPR who seem to sign a new starting 11 every window then wonder why the team cant gel but dont want to see acting like we’ve got a transfer embago!

  • 73 WWYCD // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    toonarmydownsouth
    The toon playing a transfer window right? Howay lad

    I cant see 3 players coming in but I am very pessimistic so I wouldn’t listen to me. I agree I don’t want to be like QPR but not because of the amount of players they buy but because they don’t ever seem to have a plan

  • 74 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Could have been worse

  • 75 NEoffers.co.uk // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Remy and Ben Arfa on the wings in a 4-3-3 Goals will flow no matter who we have as the main striker.

  • 76 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    What a crap draw. Was hoping for one of the big guns.

  • 77 ToonBano // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

    Just thought I would add this issue to draw, potentially anyway….

    http://www.toonbano.com/2012/12/newcastle-players-and-fans-to-expect.html#.UNM6q28fKSo

    From a footballing perspective I am happy with the draw. :D

  • 78 Super Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:26 PM

    This draw is good for us apart from the flight.
    They are relatively unknown and will be in pre season when we play them.

    I don’t want us to say that we don’t care about the EL either. After last season and getting through the group stages we should be trying to get as far as we can. By that time we should have strengthened enough to have a bigger squad.

    They are not the most attractive of teams, but it could be worse. I just hope if we do get through, Hannover beat Anzhi because I don’t want to be playing two Eastern European teams.

  • 79 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    Tads

    I think it would be a fairly seamless transition for Debuchy, Douglas and Remy or others in those positions to come in.

    They would be replacing Simmo and Willo who sadly are holding us back along with Ba who although a good player, won’t play left in a front 3 which presumably remy would.

    With the ball being passed through Anita the last few games, I am just hoping a sea change is on it’s way now.

  • 80 ONLINE GUY // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    Read on here a few weeks back about tension between BA and Cisse ..giving the impression that they might be not getting on on the pitch and off it ..

    Well my Daughter talks to them most weeks and she tells me they are always together ..and laughing and joking and really love each others company ..they are never apart and hang out with each other all the time off the pitch …So all is well there lads.. No worries.

  • 81 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:33 PM

    There was very little racisim at the euros to be fair.

    I remember watching that programme & thinking, it was going to be world war three at the euros.

  • 82 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    Not on the scale the bbc predicted anyway.

  • 83 ToonBano // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:39 PM

    BelfastMagpie – yes but the club team weren’t playing were they? I dont know what it has been like during Europa League with Metalist so far in their home matches but I expect some kind of issue to come out after it involving some our black players unfortunately.

  • 84 Super Magpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Remember that the Euro’s was a global event that everyone was watching. Ticket prices were probably quite high meaning the people who went showed more respect than the rest were made out to be.

    While this is a cold Thursday night in February in the middle of nowhere against an unknown Ukrainian team. There will be nowhere as much publicity and the hooligans will return. If there is some sort of racism incident I just hope the players don’t let it effect them.

  • 85 Tsunki // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM

    I knew it I just knew it. I knew I shouldn’t have mentioned Stalin. Now look what’s happened. Its my own fault.

  • 86 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8345923/Newcastle-s-Alan-Pardew-uncertain-as-to-whether-Demba-Ba-will-stay

    What’s this about a clause then?

  • 87 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/newcastleunited/id/382?cc=5739

    Interesting article above about NUFC mgrs and their “winning record” since Keegan. Currently Pardew is on a par with Kenny Dalglish…..so who would be willing to stand by AP in the unlikely event that the unthinkable happens this saturday…..tbf my patience is running thin with Pardew…my only encouragement has been better play in the last 3 games but no one can continue to follow a man blindly…….AP’s fate is in his hands and IMO he has got to win against QPR…….otherwise I think his time will be finished before the transfer window opens in January.

  • 88 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    The problem over the years has been the eagerness with which we have sacked our managers, so I don’t think comparing records with the view to sack our current manager is wise.

    Both as a matter of good practice and when applied to our current season. While we are in the midst of a mid-season relegation battle, is the smart move to sack the manager? I would nearly always say no. Look at our relegation season for example, it was embarrassing, we had no stability and that as much as anything contributed to our relegation, creating upheaval where none needs to exist would just put the team under more pressure.

    On top of that I actually like Pardew and wouldn’t want him to be sacked anyway.

  • 89 jimmysmith // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Too much fear and doom mongering on this blog – please stop as I’m starting to believe it.

  • 90 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    spread the toon,

    My sentiments exactly. I am a little encouraged by noises of who may be coming in and also the fact that we have played a little bit more football in the last few games, not that that would be hard.

    However, should we lose at home to QPR, I think his position is untenable given the appallingly awful record over the last 12 matches.

  • 91 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM

    Ruddy

    I’m just putting a different opinion out there. I do not think sacking the manager is the solution…..but I also think that if we do not win @ HOME against QPR then I recognise that his time will be untenable.

  • 92 Tsunki // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    I don’t think it would be fair to saddle the club with a determined fiscal policy that demands break even and relies on bargain-hunting, low wage with bonus structure and a light squad, then sack the manager you have hamstrung when it all backfires. But hey, this is Mike we are talking about.

  • 93 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    Rotonda

    Ageed. No one wants to see AP or our team fail but we cannot carry on in the same vain. At least AP is trying to change things round and I am genuinely encouraged by our last 3 games that we can get out of this mess early before it becomes a focal point of our entire season.

  • 94 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    Well, to be fair, you’re doing a little more than “putting a different opinion out there” you’re effectively saying that if we lose to QPR we should sack the manager, even though you don’t think sacking the manager is the solution.

    Pards has been let down by the board by their refusal to stump up for the players we so desperately needed over the summer, yet the blame rests on Pards’ shoulders? In a large proportion of games this season the team has been devoid of any fight or spirit and Ba’s link up with Cisse is shocking and yet somehow Pards take the flack?

    I find that point of view hard to fathom.

  • 95 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    Rotonda

    I would agree with you, if it wasn’t for the fact that this “appallingly awful 12 games record” you speak of is not exactly all Pardew’s fault.

    Are we taking the simplistic media based view that if a team isn’t doing well it is the manager to blame? C’mon lads we’re better than that.

  • 96 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Ruddy

    The west ham fans would say it’s the very smart move.
    they were gone for all money before curbishley took over.

    Didn’t hurt when pardew took over from Hughton. How ironic is that decision now!. Hughton isn’t the type but hemjust be secretly putting the biggest 2 fingered salute ever to ashley and his cronies!

  • 97 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM

    Ruddy

    Tbf is we cannot win a@ Home against QPR then quite frankly we are FUBAR’d. Simple FACT. Pardew may have loads of injuries but the reality is the only 2 long termers are Cabaye and Saylor….even Raylor as a fringe player.
    Why is it the players have not been motivated to play a full 90 mins? Why do we have no belief? Why do we pander to Ba? Why do we continue to play 4-4-2 when it does not work? Why do we end up playing the most amount of long balls in the EPL this season? Why are we not passing smoothly along the ground? Why do we not score from corners? Why can we not cross the ball into the box? Why can’t we defend set plays? Oh why oh why……c’mon AP has got to take some responsibility in the shambles, its not just the players or the lack of signings alone.

  • 98 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Ruddy

    It’s never only 1 person’s fault but he’s the guy paid the big bucks to motivate the team collectively. That’s his job description.

    You wouldn’t mind so much if it was united, city and chelsea away, but it’s southampton, fulham, swansea, Stoke, west ham some of them at home!

  • 99 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Rotonda
    I think 3 players would settle well if bought in im not really sure if you were agreeing with points made or saying you thought id mean they would struggle to fit in?
    Tbh im not sold on douglas seems to have a bad attitude doesnt look overly special has like 6 agents and mucked everyone around in the summer
    Given the way people are reacting/turning on demba i don’t think it would be wise to bring someone like douglas in who seemingly soent his summer trying to drum up intrest in himself to get a higher wage!

    Toon Bano
    In all honesty theres a problem with racism in all european football the lads are just as likely to be abused in spain or italy its not just limited to the eastern european clubs the bbc highlighted
    In fact atm it seems there just as likely to get abuse at a domestic game the boys just need to do there stuff on the pitch and let UEFA and the police deal with the crowds if its stupidly ott just walk off

  • 100 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Interesting article speadthetoon, but to be honest, it just makes my feelings that Pardew should be given time stronger.

    We do need to win against QPR, but as in any game of football, we may well lose. Should he be fired? Not for this result imo. If it is noticeable that the man had given up and has been defeated then yes, get him out a.s.a.p, but not if he’s doing the work and the signs are there of improvement.

    I could also entertain the idea if we were looking at bringing in some exciting manager with credentials to the floor, but we’re not, so why not give him his time?

    What normally happens when we fire a manager?

    It is a gamble, but I’d rather bet on Pardew than an unknown, all day long.

    Interesting bit about hoots. 56% win ratio, but only 23% in the PL. True gent, but obviously wasn’t doing as well as I and most remember. We might not have had such a bad run with him, but that’s what this is at the moment a bad run, overall, in the PL, he has a better win ratio with us.

  • 101 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    spread the toon

    No one can really argue against those points you’ve made.
    each one is spot on.

  • 102 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Rotonda

    He’s had a decent first half of a season with Norwich but I still doubt that they will even finish inside the top ten. I like Hughton but he would never have got us 5th, he let a bunch of egos walk all over him in the dressing room. Also I thought he was even more rigid tactically than AP, so I think it is a case of looking at Hughton through rose tinted glasses.

    Also, AP took a mediocre West Ham team to the FA Cup final and was booted harshly the following season. I don’t think listening to West Ham fans will give us much of an insight do you?

    Maybe you agree with them, I would ask why though? If AP got us to an FA Cup final do you think we’d sack him the following year? Not on your nelly.

  • 103 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

    Rotonda and spreadthetoon…Those are some valid points. So what does the QPR result have to do with it or your opinion of Pardew? Is it just a case of the final nail in the coffin?

  • 104 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    Why do we consistently play 4-4-2? You mean that formation that we haven’t played in around 4/5 games? We have played 4-3-3 in the last few games, or some form of variation of it, so if you’re going to criticise his tactics at least make sure you’ve got the tactics that you are criticising right.

    Players have been in and out of the team all season, we lost Colo to suspension for 3 games, we lost Tiote to suspension for three games, HBA has been in and out all season, Simpson was injured at the start of the season for 2/3 games, Krul was out for a month.

    If you think these issues don’t contribute to poor results then I can’t convince you otherwise, but I think they do. AP, of course, has some responsibility, but that’s a far stretch from saying that if we lose to QPR he should be sacked.

  • 105 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    Ibiza
    Completely agree about Houghts and was very angry when he got the sack, especially seeing as he brought us straight back up from the Championship.
    I will admit that I was not over the moon about AP’s appointment…and tbf I think most Toon fans are the same of that opinion.
    AP did an amazing job last year….he got us playing in a style and manner that I liked, got me excited about the team in a way that I have not seen since Bobby’s day. Btw Manure stuck with Fergie n that’s done ‘em well but its not a guarantee for success either.
    Hope AP does turn it round, n like I said happy with some of our recent performances where we are passing it along the ground.

  • 106 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Rotonda
    People were saying they were glad we didn’t stick with hoots when he failed to get birmingham promoted!
    Do you think norwich will still be top 8 cone the end of the season? I like hoots but dont think he any better than pardew also dont think he could if sold the club aswell to players like cabs santon demba cisse who all said that pardew realky sold what the club wanted to achieve this season

  • 107 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Rotonda
    People were saying they were glad we didn’t stick with hoots when he failed to get birmingham promoted!
    Do you think norwich will still be top 8 cone the end of the season? I like hoots but dont think he any better than pardew also dont think he could if sold the club aswell to players like cabs santon demba cisse who all said that pardew really sold what the club wanted to achieve last season and the forth coming years

  • 108 toonking // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

    just been looking at so football odds for this weekends matches and spotted a good bet for newcastle this week to just beat QPR is -1 with sky bet
    so if you want a good odds with aneasy fixture this is theone

  • 109 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM

    Ruddy
    Sometimes I think you sit on the fence. In the summer you were more tolerant of our lack of signings. Now less so……
    As for our team performance lets be clear you cannot point in any one direction but I think my previous post illustrates my point and my frustration. Yeah we’ve been unlucky with injuries and yes they have impacted but I have not seen AP once this season take on some real responsibility…….”well EL hasn’t helped” …”we’ve got a few injuries that hasn’t helped”…..”the team are feeling down…..that hasn’t helped”. The man needs to grow some balls and leadership and tell it how it is. That person had a poor match, that’s my fault and we’ll work with him over the next couple of weeks”….but not even a hint of this…..I wonder if we are all reading from the same hymn page sometimes.

  • 110 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM

    Spread…..I don’t think you’ll find one fan who was happy with hoots being fired, or even Pardew being made manager….at the time. It felt like going back to square one again and in the pocess treating a true gentleman badly.

    However, I soon re-evaluated that, as you say, Pardew did do a great job and we saw signs of what I assume he is trying to implement. Now I know he has reverted back to 4-4-2 at times and this season a fair bit, but it does make me laugh how people single out 4-4-2 as “his formation” when there are also indications of a newer style coming to light. Some people see what they want to see, but that goes both ways, maybe I see the better performances as our direction, whereas some see them as flukes, you tell me what is more probable.

    There is no guarantee that sticking with Pardew will bring success, like is has with Fergie at Man U, but on the same hand, it’s refreshing to be giving it a go. We all know what a joke of a manager carousel we’ve had (the article you post really makes it hit home) and I for one applaud the efforts we’re making to bring some stability and then build. There will be tough patches and I hope and believe that is how we’ll look back at this period. A bad patch, which all clubs go through. Some fire the manager with varying results, few stick to their guns, but most have come out of it doing well. To find out, will one year kill us? How about two? Not suggesting let him have free reign and run is in to the lower leagues, but a level headed approach is needed, especially when things get tough.

    That of course is only my opinion on it.

  • 111 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    Ibiza
    QPR game is D-day…its massive and I think we’ll be nervous cos of how much rests on it. To me this will be the most telling of performances……we cannot rely purely on the transfer window as it takes players time to settle in….such a Anita. If we were to loose against QPR our confidence would be shattered and I do not think AP has the ability to pick the team up. Its all well and good when things go well but real mgmt is about showing strength and character in less favourable times……
    For instances Ibiza what would be your waterloo moment……how far in the season do we wait…..or is it the case that we carry on like the Venkys did with Blackburn….no thanks!

  • 112 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    if there was internet back in the days when Leeds were the top dogs and suddenly slumped all the way down this would be the same words that Leeds supporters would rant about on this blog.

  • 113 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:20 PM

    Spread….Well I’m not sure who would set this game as Pardews “waterloo moment”. Could he recover from it? Sure. Yes confidence will take a serious kicking, but only the fans, the owner or Pardew himeself acutally condemning him would do so.

    I’m not trying to dampen the effect of this game, really I’m not, but a lot have said the same over the past few games.

    As I said, if on Saturday we’re a know show, players and managers alike, if they’ve just given up then it needs to be looked at and seriously. If he can’t believe, then there is no belief.

    We’re coming from a real tough patch and there are no quick fixes (even the January window as you say), all they can do is take it step by step and show some fight.

    There is no shame in losing if you give it your all, disappointment for sure.

    Truth is, if we play as we know we can, QPR shouldn’t be a match for us. Hopefully all of these conversations where needless come Saturday evening and we’ll all have something to smile about. I’d be shocked rigid to read in Sundays papers that we’re looking for a new manager.

  • 114 Graeme // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    Flights to Hannover are available for around £100 return – not ridiculously expensive!!!

  • 115 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    As for Blackburn, couldn’t be a worse comparison imo. They were in the same boat as us when we got relegated. No fight and no clue. Not what I’ve seen from us these past few games.

  • 116 Jail for Ashley // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    Tads ,
    You’re probably right about Hoots not being able to sell the club as well as Pards,Hoots probably wasn’t able to look a player in the eye fill him full of shite about our ambition then shake his hand afterwards.

  • 117 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

    Spreadthetoon@99
    Not a pop at you but find it so funny people wanting pardew out and martinez in despite him using identical excuses minus the europa league, same with di matteo and mancini

  • 118 bottle // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:23 PM

    QPR

    Win ugly or lose in style ?

    (Winning in style or losing ugly are not on offer :) )

  • 119 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:24 PM

    Ibiza
    Not suggesting carousel mgmt…but I am so gutted with this season. MA/DL have a lot to answer for but then again so has AP. AP should have been more insistent to get em players across the line.

    Remember we were v. strongly and undeniably linked with (1)Luke de Yong (2) Debuchy (3) Douglas …..well that’s 3 players we did not sign during the summer………and so we come to January with a thin squad and fringe players unable to cut the grade and AP talks about signing 1 player! not to mention all the extra TV rights coming in next season…..we’ve got to do better than 1 FFS!

    Teams are a collective and this season we have played collectively badly in comparison to last season……how much responsibility do you rest on the manager as to performances. How many times has Fergie won the EPL? Has he always had the best players in the EPL…..no.He has had however the best team? How much influence does a manager exert on team performances. Look @ HR and QPR and yet Hughes couldn’t.

  • 120 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM

    tads…Did you see Martinez’s comments today too? Couldn’t help but smile.

    Jail…So do you think Pardew has been told by the troublesome duo that they just want to sit somewhere between Europe and relegation for as little investment as possible?

  • 121 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM

    hey just imagine next season will be great considering we will have Middles borough and the mackems to play in the championship

  • 122 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Bottle, draw lol

  • 123 Jail for Ashley // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Ibiza,
    Good question,Im not totally sure but the way Parts backtracks sometimes doesn’t always come across as diplomacy ,to take a public shifting the way he has makes me wonder if he is slightly complicity.

  • 124 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

    Ibiza
    Oh yes!

    JFA
    Aye true but dont care if they got sh1t coming out there eyeballs they signed for a midtable team at the time i doubt we sold it that high!

  • 125 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

    TADS / Ibiza
    Agreed. We’re in a hole and we need to get out of this mess. We hit a bad patch….in fact our worst ever patch in the EPL…..and yes I agree that we need long term stability and that starts with the mgr. But at what cost does that come. We have played the last 3 games a lot better and I am really encouraged that if we carry on like that then we can pick up some points and not sit in the bottom three come January 2nd. But in the same token….I see AP deflecting blame / responsibility from what goes on on the pitch. IMO AP’s finest hour will be this saturday….win, lose of draw….its how he handles himself with the press, the fans, the players……its the leadership that he shows thats important…on and off the field…..he has not consistenlty shown that this season and so IMO must bare responsibility for where we are now.

  • 126 bottle // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Mashley has just put about £5m into the Rangers £20m share issue and has expressed an interest in renaming Ibrox….guess what…. for £1m a year. The Rangers fans have already got a Forever Ibrox campaign.
    Looks like he’s geting bored with the Toon and looking for more exposure for his business with a ‘big’ club.
    Now £6m might get us a half decent CB too..

  • 127 Jail for Ashley // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    Tads ,
    Have to disagree there pal,Im sure players were told that we were setting our sights higher than mid table mediocrity and last summer would have sent out an entirely different message.

  • 128 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM

    Spread…I know your not encouraging a constant change of manager and are just frustrated at how things are going, the truth is none of us know how much blame should be given where.

    With Pardew I can only work off last season and what he achieved. I have seen bits of his vision and can see where he’s being held back, so therefore think he needs backing and time.

    He too has some stuff to work on, that is not in doubt. Which manager do you think we’d bring in that doesn’t have to work on some stuff though?

    On transfers I really don’t place any blame on Pardew. I have no doubt he told them what or who he wants, after that all he can do is keep asking. If he starts in the press he’s gone, so what does it achieve? Why say we’re only after one player? Many reasons. He knows he’s said one thing and then another has happened before, so why would he go on about how many players he wants or feels he needed.

    On players linked.

    De Jong – Didn’t want to come in the end.
    Debuch – was all but done. Between the 2 chairmans the deal went t*t’s up.
    Douglas – Never really understood this one. Does he want to go? Can he go? Not sure who messed this one up, so wont comment.

    We’d know what he was thinking, but does that change anything? Not really.

    For as long as I remember Man u have had a collection of some of the best players in the league, so it’s not like Ferguson has just taken a bunch of nobodies and made them great. Still, he’s done a bloody good job there.

    On Hughes, I just simply don’t rate him. Whinging whiny open up your cheque book manager. Redknapp is similar, but he seems to get players playing for him, which is a start for QPR and their band of mercenary men.

  • 129 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:40 PM

    Jail
    Completely agree….didn’t HBA mention CL early on….and so did AP…..well that’s gone well so far..LOL
    Definitely reckon message was different + beginning to seriously think AP is complicit and inconsistent in his messages to press/ fans. Not good enough IMO.

  • 130 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:41 PM

    ibiza

    Tbf Wigan have 9 players out and a far weaker squad than any other team due to 14,000 crowds. Everyone has a tipping point.

  • 131 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    JFA
    Didnt mean it how it sounded im saying they signed for us when we were a midtable club i highly doubt europe was on the cards this quickly and doubt it was promised to the players this quickly i dont think everyone will abandon ship because of a sh1t half season

  • 132 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    Ibiza toon works for the fatman.

  • 133 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:46 PM

    tads…I’d imagine they were told we’re building towards something bigger than mid-table, my query is the timeline they were fed, as that’s key to whether they have intentions to stick around and get us there.

    Jail….I have wandered about it myself, even though I believe in this mysterious plan :)

    If i’m being cynical about it I go:

    What did Pardew have before? Would it be a bad gig for him to manage Newcastle, lie through his teeth to keep the fans of Ashleys back and sit mid-table?

    My rational thinking has me going:

    Why? The plan can improve us. It’s win win. Doesn’t cost a fortune or in fact any less that any other scenario the way we’re doing it, so why not improve and better the club? He does seem to care and I imagine he’s just trying to juggle his responsibilities to the players, board and fans…no easy task. There is no way that man can keep his boss, staff and fans happy at the same time when we’re losing. Never going to happen, so I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he b*llsh*ts, whilst trying to get us back on track.

    All guesswork as normal though. Really should replace the batteries in my crystal ball – pure laziness on my part.

  • 134 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

    Ibiza

    whether it’s now or some point in the future I’ve always felt we needed a modern continental manager who could work on us technically.

    Pardew has assembled a lot of skillful players, but ordered them to hoof it, apart from the last 3/4 games where the penny may finally be dropping.

    Beattie recently did quite a good list inc Blanc, Di matteo and various others

  • 135 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:49 PM

    gotta scoot….hope I’ve replied to everyone’s post like…if not i’m sorry :(
    Here’s to hoping for a smile and cheer
    Closely followed by some beers – comes Saturday night – HWTL

  • 136 bills-son // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

    I’ve got a steering wheel tuck down the front of me strides and it’s driving me nuts…

    Can anyone steer me in the right direction?

  • 137 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM

    Pardew just been on local radio – hoping to get 3 players in – and maybe pay over the odds.
    Also speculation in the press/web sites on who we will/may bring in way off the mark
    And Ba will only be leaving after we have brought a replacement
    Interesting!!!!

  • 138 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Di Matteo is an average manager. Just the same as Pardew.

  • 139 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:53 PM

    Rotonda….This is meant as nicely as possible, but it may not come across that way, so bear with me. I think it’s near impossible for either of us to be completely objective when comparing our own manager / situation with that of another club. Far too many variables and personal feeling.

    I have no issue with what Martinez said, not any major issues with what Pardew has said (or too many other managers really). It’s all about playing the media and the media playing the public. I pay little attention to it and don’t usually let it effect my thinking or reasoning, as it’s 10% story, 90% interpretation / b*ll*cks / cr*p.

    What I found amusing was the amount we’ve listened to on here that Martinez doesn’t make excuses. It was a throw away comment really.

  • 140 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    ibiza

    glen roeder was part of that management carousel and he has an almost identical record to pardew.

  • 141 Williamsonsuks // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    Was playing a quiz on my phone. One of the questions was, who was the first player to score 5 goals in a single game? I said Shearer, he scored 5 against sheffield wed in the 8-1 drumming, Robsons second game in charge if i remember right. Anyway the answer was Messi.Was the game wrong? Anybody?

  • 142 toonicle // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    I’d have to agree that a loss against QPR would mean that maybe Pardew’s days are numbered. Fairly or not, losing to them at home after this terrible run of games would seem to destroy any confidence that the fans or even the players have in Pardew. And that cannot happen.

  • 143 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM

    Rotonda….To some extent, I have felt that as well, which is a bit of a contradictory thought pattern on my part. I think Pardew can bring us some success, certainly take us further than where we were and should have some time to do that. At the end of it though, I’ve always imagined the next step would be to go bigger and better, business model permitting. Saying that though, if he did well and brought reasonable success, why would I want him to go? I guess it’s not about want, just what I thought the natural progression would be.

    Spread…Good chatting. Hopefully a more uplifting chat after Saturday :)

    Charlie…Any where we can get links for it? I’m intrigued.

  • 144 beefman13 // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    The second half of the season is going to be like water in the desert!!!!!

  • 145 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:01 PM

    ghost

    Did Pardew win the European cup, qualify for the CL, and win the Fa cup in a 4 month period and get MK dons and WBA at the first time of asking? He had a patch at Chelsea when he was sacked when they were 3rd!!

    I think i would prefer di matteo’s averageness to pardew.

  • 146 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:02 PM

    Charlie

    Is that true? I missed it tonight on radio Newcastle

  • 147 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Rotonda
    Alot of wigans injuries are fringe players 3 odd first team, our starting 11 maybe better but tgey lack the same quality of depth as we do plus we have europa
    If the point was we have a better squad so should do better then why mention di matteo? Manager of one of the PL’s elite and expensivley assembled team and got them knocked out the group stage of the CL and was fading in form in the league who constantantly blamed fixture congestion and referee decisions!
    Laurent blanc would he even come here? And doesn’t he hate benny? Back from his days at lyon?(marseille?) gave him a chance to show he’d changed by including him in the euros then they had a bust up and benny didnt feature again

  • 148 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM

    Rotonda….I’d have to look back at the circumstances surrounding Roeders time with us, but I seem to remember there were ramblings about Fat Sam’s availability….maybe I wont take a trip down memory lane…. :)

  • 149 toonicle // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:07 PM

    I wouldn’t agree with the decision, to be clear, but I can see the rationale for it.

  • 150 Williamsonsuks // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Think all you “Stone Pardew” posters are being a bit premature. With the injuries, suspensions, acon and not strengthening in the last window, has all been bad luck. If we do strengthen in this window and we are still crap come may, stone him if you want, I’ll probably have a boulder by then myself.

  • 151 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

    Transfer Sage
    Yeah quote word for word from me not exact but thats what he said talking to Mick Lowes
    Ibiza
    Not sure if there is a link but the programme is Total Sport on BBC Newcastle which is on 5.30pm – 7.30pm

  • 152 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:10 PM

    Cheers Charlie….I shall have a little dig about.

  • 153 ToonBano // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:16 PM

    This 38% win ratio is not that much of a surprise if you happen to remember his first (half a) season after taking over from Hughton.

    He only won 3 out the remaining 17 games of that season. Which is horrendous quite frankly.

    One flash in the pan season doesn’t prove anything. It doesn’t for players, so why should it for managers?

    Remember when Benni McCarthy had a 24 goal season? Remember when George Burley finished 5th with Ipswich?

    Think on….

  • 154 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM

    Ibiza
    Last night they interviewed a reporter from the top French sports paper on the transfer of Remy and he said he was wanting a move and the president of Marseille the club as in England at the moment.

  • 155 Toon73 // Dec 20, 2012 at 7:26 PM

    So when we’re finally booted out of this competition (that we obviously have no interest in being a part of), we can concentrate on getting something going in the EPL and avoid relegation????




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