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This Player Confident Magpies Can Get Good Run Going

10:37 am, Thursday, December 20th, 2012 by Ed Harrison · 103 Comments

It’s always dangerous when you label a game as a must-win match, and we remember we did that a lot in the relegation season a few years back, and we didn’t win many of those games. But Alan Pardew is probably right to say Saturday’s home game against QPR is a must win game because if we draw, it’s just one point but hardly enough to take us away from the bottom three, and a defeat would be terrible – in fact it’s simply unimaginable.

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Tim Krul – hoping for a good run of form

And to be clear – one definition of unimaginable is “difficult or impossible to believe; inconceivable.”

And if we are beaten on Saturday - don’t expect a match report anytime soon after the game - watching us play badly is bad enough – but then having to write about is soul destroying – well at least for me it is.

23 year-old Tim Krul has been at the club since the summer of 2005, and he’s been through it all with Newcastle, and certainly he doesn’t seem too worried about the situation at the moment (that’s good):

“We are still in there right now. The season does not end in December.” “I have looked closely at the league table and there are a lot of teams just five or six points away from us.”

“We just need that little run to get ourselves back up there, it is only two wins we are talking about.” “QPR is a must-win for us, this one is massive.” “Our aim at the start of the season was to get through the group stages of the Europa League and make sure we book our place in the last 32.”

“We did that and we also have the FA Cup coming up as well, so there is an awful lot to play for this season.” “This is a really important time of the year, what with the amount of games in a short period.” “We have to make sure we do not have a dip like we did last year.

“Get a little run through this period and things could look very bright going in to the New Year.”

That’s certainly true if we can get a good run going at some point soon, and of course every game will be important and we hope we can start to pick up points and climb steadily away from the relegation zone.

But we have almost the same players as last season playing, and we have just over half the points after 17 games – 14 versus 27 at this same stage last season.

And reports about Newcastle missing Yohan Cabaye are a little over-played – if this lad is as important to Newcastle as some reports suggest – we should double his wages when he comes back.

It’s up to other players to come through and start playing near the form they were in last season, and it’s a bit of a cop-out to say we are doing so badly because we have one player missing – however good Yohan is.

Of course we also have Steven Taylor out – and Ben Arfa too at the moment, and we think if Steven was back in the side, some of those sloppy goals conceded would become history.

We are hoping for a win on Saturday and if we can get one things will brighten up for a little while on Tyneside – but then we are at Old Trafford and the Emirates in the following seven days. :(

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103 responses so far ↓

  • 1 obatoyou // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:41 AM

    Course we can! This fan agres

  • 2 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:42 AM

    We just need to show the same fight we did during the second half against city and we will be fine

  • 3 bambams // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    I don’t think we are that bad of a team and will pull away once we get a couple of players back from injury and maybe a couple of signings that will lift the players .
    But we need to learn from past mistakes !

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    Beattie

    It’s the same with all business though.

    You cannot set a business up without making a loss for a couple of years as you expand it.

    You get a bank loan (or in football terms a rich owner) and then use that to improve your business or football team and then as it gets bigger and better you start to bring more in and have to spend a little less to maintain and improve it…then eventually you will break even and can turn a profit.

    look at city for example….spent 100mil+ in 2009 and 2010…last couple years they have spent a bit less….still a lot but less and with that initial investment they got champs league money and a larger following world wide.

    They are investing heavily in a huge academy so are looking to a long term solution and not just spending 100mil a year (like chelsea do)

  • 5 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    Sage From Last Topic….

    Long term giving our erratic form and league positions over the last few years its hard to say if west ham will be ahead of us or not ;)

    I just don’t see why he’d swap stable football for what is shaping up to be a relegation dogfight, then again a few good results and we could be above west ham.

    I think its similar to last year when there were rumours liverpool were in for ba, we were miles ahead of them and many of us got miffed at the though of ba leaving for what would’ve been seen as a step back. I imagine west ham fans would be thinking the same now.

    Not saying it would be a step back but giving the state we’re in atm

  • 6 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    rainrix

    we were miles ahead of liverpool last year though.

    west ham are only a few wins away from us…so there is a good chance we will catch them I think.

  • 7 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    Just a quick cameo and I’ll be on my way…

    Does it really matter if we get a new manager or not (in regards to the Martinez comment) – from what I can tell we will probably just keep blaming the owner whenever things are not going according to plan!

    Disclaimer: at no point what so ever did I state that Mick Ashley was blameless nor did I state that I wanted the silver supremo sacked (maybe I should have listed a few more points I didn’t make but CBA)

    Take Care!

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    rainrix

    But like you say it depends….Diame has had such a good year so far he may well wait until the summer to see if a better offer than us comes in.

    Anything could prevent a move for any player,…..wages, step down/sideways in their eyes, location, anything really.

  • 9 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:59 AM

    Sage….. Yeah but i imagine liverpool fans last year were thinking the exact same thing people on here are thinking about diame. “we aren’t far off newcastle lets go for Ba” Or “we’re a bigger club than newcastle of course he’ll come here”!

    I do think we’ll finish above west ham. I just don’t think it’ll be before the end of january. I see us doing what everton have done in the past and have a storming 2nd half of the season

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    damn it jesper

    get back on this blog and take the abuse people seem to love to give you…dont comment and run haha.

    In all seriousness though our season is just down to everything going wrong that possible could. Poor transfers, pardew making weird decisions, players not playing well and injuries.

  • 11 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    Sage… Exactly we could be miles ahead of west ham and he might not fancy the move or he could hold out for an even bigger club or a move abroad. I’d like him here i just don’t think it’ll happen this window

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    rainrix

    I think liverpool would have got Ba if they gave him the 90k a week he wanted though…they just never seemed to.

  • 13 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    Jesper….Good to see you.

    Is that why you’re staying away and only coming on for one post cameos. that you feel we’re completely blaming the owner?

    If so, I think you’ve missed the point a bit, well mine at least.

    Anyway, hope you’re well and the family are all set up for Christmas.

  • 14 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    Sage… I reckon they and the media thought they could probably turn their season around, especially after the league cup win, and got deluded into thinking they didn’t need to strengthen. Or maybe the owners didn’t trust dogleash who knows :)

  • 15 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    Rainrix

    Does anyone trust dogleash? he ruins all his football clubs he manages.

  • 16 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    Has Jesper quit the blog ?

    Another one bites the dust. ;-)

  • 17 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Jesper -
    Where’ve you been?

  • 18 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    Come back Jesper & make Ibiza quit instead.

  • 19 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    Does anyone know any gay billionaires?

    I will look to marry one and as a wedding gift get him to buy me this club and then we’ll see where we can go.

    Ps. Must have own hair and teeth

  • 20 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    TS…..The hair and teeth are the make or break aspects of that deal? :)

    Belfast….Make me quit? We both know that wont happen. Would love Jesper back though, top chap and helps dilute the dross like yourself ;)

  • 21 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    Sage… Fair point mate :)

  • 22 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Why did he quit ?

  • 23 Munster Mag // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    think you can speculate all you want about Toby Alderweild , Boilsen abd anyone else, but the end result is that Ashley doesnt give a toss, once we can cling on to premiership and advertise Sports Direct. Thats the end game. The proof was in the lack of summer investment. And even if we spend 10 mill now, it just means we wont spoend much in the summer, and we will, without a shadow of a doubt, lose 1-3 more star players . So if we make 15 mill in the summer, expect to see a couple of Bigi’s and maybe one established player. But we wont progress. Thats if we are lucky enough to stay up.

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM

    ibiza

    well it would be ideal….I’m not that way inclined but I imagine I would prefer my man to have nice hair and a winning smile.

    The billionaire aspect of the Advert is pretty important too.

    The relationship may be difficult but I figured they have preachers in America who claim to “cure” homosexuality so it’s only logical to think somewhere there must be people who cure heterosexuality. Maybe the YMCA do it?

  • 25 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    Your all a bunch of bully’s..

  • 26 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    munster

    I will accept that we dont spend…ashley has proven that.

    He hasn’t however cashed in on big stars (except caroll and in hindsight that was brilliant for 35mil)

  • 27 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    I dont think we’ll sign anyone.

    And I dont think Arsenal are interested in Demba Ba either. They’ve about 5 players who can play up front. Paper bullshit.

  • 28 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Real vs man u could be interesting, fergie vs Mourinho again

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    rainrix

    it certainly will be….also ronaldo returning to old trafford will be very good.

  • 30 Ian Toon // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Jesper– I am sorry to have missed your cameo appearances! How are you? I came across an idiom recently that rang true :
    ” People only rain on your parade because they’re jealous of your sun
    and tired of their shade .” Just in case we don’t engage, I hope you and your family have a great Christmas. Together united we’ll never be defeated.
    Synergistically yours .

  • 31 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    TS…Well yes, the billionaire aspect would be the priority :) Not sure about the YMCA, but I bet Belfast could give you a tip or two.

    Belfast…I think he took a step away as he came under pressure the other day when he said something along the lines of that we’re all too quick to just blame transfers for our poor season. I’m guessing it’s a case of avoiding unneeded stress over Christmas.

  • 32 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Ts Think the only reason that he hasn’t cashed in, is because nobody has met the valuation.

    If Arsenal were to bid 18 million for Ben Arfa in January, Ben Arfa would be sold, in my opinion.

    Same goes for Cabaye, Krul etc etc

  • 33 Mister Tuff // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    transfer.
    “I’m not that way inclined” yeh right.
    From my understanding of such matters – you appear to have completed the hardest part of your new personna – you have made the difficult step of “coming out of the closet”. Do not retreat back into that dark place.

  • 34 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    Sage… Aye i wonder what reception he’ll get im gonna go with bad.

    I hope celtic do well but juve is going to be really hard for them, although if they can beat barca they can beat anyone :)

  • 35 wreker16 // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    Anyone seen 4-4-2′s top 100 players in the world list???

  • 36 JAMSHA // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:34 AM

    http://tyneandwear.sky.com/newcastleunited/article/50706

    remy newcastle player?

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    belfast

    Thats different from ‘cashing in’ though.

    To me cashing in is taking the best price you can get…whether it be what you want or not. (eg. saying we will sell cabaye in the summer and accepting the highest bid even if it’s not what he wanted)

    I think we approach it the same way as other clubs…if we get an offer too good to turn down (can use that to develop the club and not spend other money) then we sell.

    All clubs sell if they get a silly offer….man utd sold ronaldo for 80 mil (although he did want to go too)

    But all clubs lose players they dont want to leave because they simply can’t say no to that much money.

    Carroll money has brought us a good 6/7 very good players.

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    rainrix

    I think ronaldo will get a good reception, was well liked and they kew he left to join his dream club. (sounds like i am just disagreeing with everything you say haha)

    Mister tuff

    Thanks…keep me on the right path.

  • 39 pieceofpapiss // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    Just regarding the last article on Carroll.

    I’d have him back in a heart beat. The difference between us and Liverfool/West Sham is that Carroll wants to play for us. He goes above and beyond for his home town club.
    Put yourself in his position, who would you give your all for as a Newcastle fans?
    I’d run myself into the ground for a tenner a week for this club, woulndt do it for £80k a week at any other club.

    This run will come to an end tho, we’ve been buggered with injuries and played twice as many games as we did last season. Some sound investment (it will happen) will put us back on track in Jan.

    Belive!!!

  • 40 nufc debo // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    What about a cheeky bid in for Dawson at spuds? Feckless knows what’s goin on there but he’s s proven prem defender and from the looks of it AVB doesn’t rate him? As for AC, unless we’re gettin him for no more than 5/7m and around 40k then I wouldn’t take him back. Atm he’d only be back up and paying out anymore than the above numbers would force us to play him regularly in turn stifling the development of Campbell, Remy or Charlie Austen instead would be the obvious choices

  • 41 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Pieceofpapiss

    The problem is though he didnt he left for a huge pay check
    West ham are literally custom built for carroll and he’s still not doing it
    Also dont reckon “the local hero” would be happy to play second best to cisse/remy/ba or whoevers here

    Torq toon
    Given the amount of time you spend im france keep meaning to ask either you or niafron if you’ve seen cabella play for montpellier?
    Heard great things about this lad apparantly a very creative CAM and given are rep in france would there be any chance of snapping him up easily? (not that were intrested like just curious!)

  • 42 nufc debo // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    For defence how about a cheeky 4/6m punt for Dawson? Striker gotta be Remy or Charlie Austen. Unless AC comes in at 5/7m and around 40k a week then there’s no point. He’d only be a backup atm and paying anymore would force us to play him regularly in turn stifling the development of Campbell

  • 43 wreker16 // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    Take that as a no….. Anyway here are the top 10 players in the world according to 4-4-2 magazine.

    10. Rooney
    9. Pirlo
    8. Aguero
    7. Yaya
    6. Xavi
    5. RVP
    4. Falcao
    3. Iniesta
    2. Ronaldo
    1. Messi

    Ben arfa isn’t in the top 100 which is a complete joke.
    Blog seems relatively quiet so…
    Any thoughts?? Anyone???

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    tads

    spot on….carrol has everything at west ham he needs

    - the manager
    - the style of football
    - a coupld of wingers who can cross
    - nolan playing off him

    He looks better than he did at liverpool but a shadow of the player he was for us.

    piece of papiss

    it’s not carrolls effort i would question for us….its whether we cant that style of football? we already play it too much and it doesn’t suit any of our players.

  • 45 Ian Toon // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Munster- Forgive my bluntness but your all over the place! When you post you leave a footprint. I quite by chance spotted one of your posts after the 3-0 victory over Stoke( last April). This was long before I posted. You were saying how much you loved ( your words) Tiote and how he could turn on a sixpence . Scott Parker isn’t fit to lace his boots!! You were Singing the praises of Ba at a time when he wasn’t scoring. You were spot on and full of foresight. Hang on in there don’t be swayed. By a bunch of fickle flip floppers. We over performed last season and are underperforming now. We will level things out by buying positively next month. There will be positive developments by season end. Eg Bigi. And Good. Plus the integration and restructuring defensively. Additionally there will be a vast improvement of the academy and transferring out of under performing youngsters. I anticipate a top half finish and arguably few top draw signings next summer. We were ahead of the five year plan last summer and matters are levelling out. As a business man you understand medium term and short term objectives. We are all disappointed at present but it is a snap shot of the season.
    It’s all a matter of timing. I hope it will not be too long before you can join in the chorus of walking in a Pardew wonderland. Time will tell.
    You old mucker! (. Just out of interest were does that originate from?!).

  • 46 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    Sage… Yeah and they got a fairly nice payday out of him, i don’t know maybe they’ll still love him ;)

  • 47 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    wreker

    ben arfa isn’t there as he plays for us…he doesn’t show his talents off in the champions league and doesn’t really do much at international level either…just a bit part role.

    If you put ben arfa in barcelona’s squad he would be phenomenal…..he is better than sanchez who cant get a game often.

    I want him to stay here forever but would love to see him playing for real or barca too…if only we could clone him.

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Ian

    the five year plan again…..what is the plan?

    I really feel like I am left out….what are the details and targets of the plan? and have they said how they will gte to this target?

  • 49 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Wreker….Thought I had posted asking for a link, but clearly not! Are there any Newcastle players in there?

  • 50 Tommyy // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Ben Arfa in a good ball playing team would be in the top 15 players in the world without a doubt. A few months at Arsenal and he would be phenomenal.
    If only we (as a team) could match him, Cabaye and Anita. All very good ball players.

  • 51 Tommyy // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    I’m pretty sure that elusive 5 year plan resets every year, We’ve not stuck to it at all.

  • 52 TorqToon // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM

    TADS – I’ve spoken about Remy Cabella on here before. He is a very very exciting talent. Tricky, fast and a proper (what I would call) a flair player.

    Young lad (21-22 I believe?!) and played 17 times already for the France U21 side. Pushing for a full cap very soon. Has a Ligue 1 winners medal from last season as a very bright future.

    Outside of England the usual suspects have been ‘linked’ with him – Arsenal, man Utd, but trust me on this – he won’t be cheap !!! I suspect way out of our price range unfortunately. But Le Toon may well prove attractive if we make our way up the league. Wishful thinking I know…

  • 53 pieceofpapiss // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    i would have to disagree, he more than doubled his wage when he left £40k to £80, and he only signed a new deal with us to take him from £20k up to that £40 amount. the only reason for that is so Liverpool paid more to buy him out of the contract.

    And why are we trying ourselves down to one style of play? Carroll would give us the option to change things up a bit. Thats where we have struggled this season, other teams have figured us out, so why not mix it up a bit?

  • 54 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Tommy

    I’m of the same view.

    I remember reading somewhere when ashley first took over (very likely to be made up paper rubbish) that the plan was 5 years to get us in champs league and challenging for the title.

    So what is it now? to get top 4? top 6? prem safety? there is no clarity in it.

  • 55 wreker16 // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Sage

    I agree, at a more successful team he would walk in.

    I like Sanchez though, despite his injuries and apparent lack of games he netted 16 times last season

  • 56 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    TS….Make of these two links what you will.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/4580758/Newcastle-United-have-five-year-plan-to-emulate-Aston-Villa.html

    http://www.nufcblog.com/2011/10/16/newcastle-united-release-mission-statement/

  • 57 Munster Mag // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:08 PM

    Ian, “me old Mucker ” is a bit of cockney I think, God knows how i came up with it. I aint all over the [place – Stoke was one of our best performances last year ( thier manager is a graceless twat ) , but we have gone backwards rapidly, almost to a man. Sadly one has to look to Pardew for the cause as the buck stops with him etc. We have seen silly excuses, bad formations, awful set pieces, and every player ( pretty much ) get worse, aswell as confusion over 1-2 strikers. We have to give him credit for last season but he has been shocking this year and i still wonder how he was appointed . Who else was interviewed etc. Are they all mates etc? If Ashley was ambitious, we’d have scoured europe for a manager, but I think even the happies realise now that this is not an ambitious club. If we lash the cash in Jan, dont hold your breath in the summer. I still want Pards to succeed by the way. I think he’s a nice guy who conducts himself well in many ways. Can you see where i am coming from?

  • 58 Tommyy // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    Sod Carroll, he’s clearly injury prone. He hasn’t had a full season in the Prem yet and doesn’t look like having one any time soon.
    The way he plays (Powerful but gangly lunges) says to me that his legs will be shot by the time he’s 28.

  • 59 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    Comment awaiting moderation? Does that happen with more than 1 link?

    Let’s see…

    Repost…

    TS….Make of these two links what you will.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/4580758/Newcastle-United-have-five-year-plan-to-emulate-Aston-Villa.html

  • 60 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    piece of papiss

    I dont believe having multiple styles helps…..we already have the ability to go long with shola (not great but we dont need to go long often)

    Stoke have one style
    Barca have one style

    Most teams are somewhere in the middle in that they have a defined style but have an option to change it up.

    For me carroll will be too expensive to be an “option”, that kind of money has to be for a main aspect of your tactics.

  • 61 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    http://www.nufcblog.com/2011/10/16/newcastle-united-release-mission-statement/

  • 62 Ian Toon // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    Transfer- I would be delighted to walk you through my interpretation of the 5 year plan at the optimum time. Feel free to remind me!
    I read your flurry of exchanges on accounting last night ( not my field) but I thought you met your match with Tequila. Creative accounting might have worked with Gordon Brown parking government debt off Balance sheet through massive use of PFI but that became transparent with a change of government. Ashley is arguably guilty of many things but not false accounting. The city historically have kept an extremely close watch on all his activities. Not least because he was young, successful and secretive.

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    ibiza

    more than one link at it goes to moderation

    thanks for the links

    Wreker

    sanchez is a very good player…i just think if you put ben arfa in a team that is so far ahead of 18 other sides in the league then he will score a lot as well.

  • 64 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    There we go then.

    I think you’re right in that they need to re-evaluate and let us know where we are with the plan.

    Now might not be the best time though as a fair few have us as relegation fodder. After the January window it would be good to hear what the clubs targets are.

    Without them saying it, i’d imagine something along the lines of the original manifesto, within 5 years be self sufficient and pushing on multiple fronts. I’d say given the relegation we’re mid way through year 3, that is if the plan is genuine.

  • 65 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    ibiza

    this sums up llambias’ knowledge haha

    “It works quite well with Joe and Dennis and ourselves. Dennis is travelling most of the time but he’ll be here twice a week. I am here five days a week.

    And how does emulating aston villa link with challenging for everything? even when they were finishing 6 they weren’t challenging for everything haha

  • 66 Tommyy // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    Haha hope we’re not still planning to emulate Aston Villa, their fall from grace was almost as dramatic as ours.
    TS – exactly, no clarity in that plan whatsoever. I half expect that there’s a dust ridden paper file in a half empty filing cabinet somewhere in the janitor’s office at Benton labelled ’5 year plan’.

  • 67 pieceofpapiss // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Sage, Fair point. I’d still rather us have as many options as we can have. It might just be my tendancy to lean towards local lads (i’d still love to see Carrick here)
    I personally think he would be an asset to our team and would love to see him back.

  • 68 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    TS….The comparison was worth a chuckle. I think at the time Aston Villa were a team that with little investment were near the top and somewhat pushing, a bit like Everton.

    But reading between the lines, it’ll never work without dear old Dennis. Come back Wise, all is forgiven! ;)

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:21 PM

    Ian

    I don’t want your 5 year plan…thats as relevant as mine to the club…I want to know the specifics…which nobody seems to have…it’s just a statement put out to make us think they are doing something….like how my new boss changed the colour of boxes at work to make people think he was actually doing something haha.

    Tequila raised some good points, I wasn;t saying ashley was hiding or taking money from the tax man…more that the way accounts were published we weren’t seeing everything.

    Nothing against tequila but I know from my work that money can be manipulated in such a way to avoid, not evade, tax. He may be above board with his tax but I know a lot of people who aren’t and some very clever accountants that can use legislation to their advantage.

  • 70 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:23 PM

    ibiza

    Villa were near the top because martin o’neil was given 20mil+ a season to spend and he walked out when he didn’t get that.

    I get us wanting to be in around the top 8 then if everything goes our way one year get top 4…i’d be very happy with that plan.

    But llambias says challenging for everything…which suggests premier league title also.

  • 71 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    piece of papiss

    Yeh I would love a local lad playing well in our team but I dont want an average one, who will be overpriced, injury prone and generall a bit of trouble.

    I think adam campbell will be a future star in the league….by the time he is 20 I think he will be one of the first names on our team sheet…but thats just my view on it.

    I think carrick is a decent player who never achieved his potential…his career at man utd stuttered…was a top player at spurs. Still a solid prem league player though.

  • 72 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    TS….Your post to Ian was spot on. It’s irrelevant what our interpretations of the plan are, it’s what they’re intentions for the plan are.

    Truth is, even if it was set out week by week, we’d still need to trust them and give them some flexibility as nothing is even close to certain and it will need constant modifications (but the overall direction should remain the same).

    I mentioned Everton, as for me, they have and will always be a better example of a reasonably well run club who are in and around the mix. A better one still would be Arsenal, but Everton first is probably a more realistic step. It did read that he expected to challenge on all fronts, but who has challenged for the PL other than big spenders? That for me is unrealistic in the foreseeable future. Once they’ve put in the rest of it, i.e. being self sufficient, improving the squad, established top 10, then established EL, then established CL and collecting money, then maybe.

  • 73 Ian Toon // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Munster- I am pushed for time. I have made a diary note to chat on this in April. Time will tell.

  • 74 fray bentos // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    Why do people make a big deal about what the manager says after the match? excuses? ofcourse he’s part of a business and businesses rarely come out and say we are shit sorry, its not good for business

    who gives a f**k, only thing that matters is what he says to the players, coaches and managerment

  • 75 fray bentos // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:33 PM

    irrelevant rant over

  • 76 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    Ian…In Munsters defense I gave him loads of grief over the summer about having faith etc and they failed. He’s not being a flip flip fan, but he feels well let down by the club and needs to see to believe. It’s great there are those that do still believe, but others don’t and given the history and bad feeling, do you not thinks it’s somewhat understandable, whether it’s right or not?

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Ibiza

    I don’t mind how they do it as long as they have a plan to make us more than just a prem league team.

    I think that arsenal, Everton an spurs show that if you sell players as long as the money is reinvested in the same window and on the right players you can improve.

    You might go through one or two bad years but in general you improv the squad.

    Spurs sold Carrick and berbatov for a lot of money and are now better for it.

    Same with Everton with rodwell and lescott.

    Arsenal currently have gone backwards due to signing tripe like gervinho…they have a lot of average players in that squad mixed with a few talented ones.

    I’d happily see a big star leave every year or two as long as that money was put right back into buying first team players.

    Using the money to improve facilities or sign kids isn’t going to help. Additional money needs to be used for that…from tv or Gaye receipts etc

  • 78 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    fray

    agree on interviews….pardew can say whatever he likes for me…as long as he is saying the right things to the right people then thats the main thing.

    He has to try and say what he thinks is going to be best for his team…and that isn’t always what we want to hear

  • 79 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    TS….Money from TV or gate receipts….sounds like we’re going to be jumping back into accounts again :)

    In principle I agree, you need to invest in the first team to progress at the time, but I think you’ve discounted the impact of investing in youth. It will help, down the road, but not immediately. They need to decent balance between the two, that would be ideal for us.

  • 80 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    ibiza

    I’m not saying to not invest in youth but you cant sign just anita and then kids.

    Suppose you said it better in having a balance. Same thing just worded better by yourself. :)

  • 81 catchy in norway // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    on carrol

    we need to steer well clear of him, not because i think he is a bad player,, i think he is quite good,
    but given that pardew has a thing for longball hoofball, it would make it all to easy for him to switch back to that( if we ever stop playing it),

    TS i agree young campbell could be OUR next big thing to break out,, he is heading that way,, needs more cameo rolls this season,,

    what i like from him, is his none stop energy chasing down things

    raheem s at liverpool is making big waves, he is 17, plays week in week out,, seems to be told just go out and attack,,

    anyway

    PARDEW OUT for to many reasons

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Ibiza

    basically we do not spend enough on first team transfer or youth team transfers…there I said it haha.

    But I have faith in january…not heard anything remotely definite about sales and some positiives about arrivals.

    Will have more to reveal next week..having a nice catch up saturday night.

  • 83 catchy in norway // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2009/02/10/five-year-plan-in-glory-quest-72703-22893622/2/

  • 84 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:47 PM

    TS….I probably should have assumed you meant no good for instant impact :) We’re not often too far away in our thinking.

    For what it’s worth last night, I did get what you were saying about creative accounting, just not sure to what extent things could be presented to the fans to make it look like we had less money.

    People walk the line in finance, but I doubt they’d ever cross it at Newcastle. Too much at stake.

  • 85 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Torq toon
    Cheers mate like i said ive heard great things about him, kept trying to watch him in the CL but kept getting distracted by other games and a crying baby!
    Fingers crossed we’ve got someone watching him but a player as young as him gaining such a rep wouldn’t be cheap :(

  • 86 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    TS….I have a problem with saying we don’t spend enough, it’s been proved amount doesn’t really mean that much if you’re smart. The number of quality bodies through the door (or over the line) was wrong though.

    I look forward to your new info next week!

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    Ibiza

    We are usually in agreement on a lot..

    I also never meant to imply ashley was doing this, just saying it wouldn’t surprise me if he was involved in that.

    He is a gambler and greedy…..people like this often do things they know they shouldn’t just because they can…a status thing.

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    ibiza

    We didn;t spend enough..we need to spend more.

    Not saying I want to go out and spend £30mil on one player.

    We have now got to a stage with out squad where to improve it you need to spend at least 2 mil on a player (eg. michu….dont get cheaper and better than that really) we therefore need to spend more than 6 mil in one window.

    I’m not saying money = success but 6mil is no where near enough of an outlay for first team players….especially as we brought money in to.

  • 89 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Catchy…And your thoughts on that article are?

    TS…..I got you. I’d have no doubt that where possible, he’d be creative, but I do think that will be extremely limited and in the scheme of things of what he could legally get away with, i’d imagine it’s barely worth talking about. Guess work of course :)

    5 Minutes left people…..our destiny awaits.

  • 90 BelfastMagpie // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    The draw is coming up on eurosport…

  • 91 Williamsonsuks // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    DL Talks sh1t! Just buy the 2 defenders and a striker, Simples!

  • 92 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    TS…..I think we’re once again on a similar page, with the exception of the odd word.

    What I mean is I don’t care if they are free or £10m – it’s irrelevant to me. Just get the right players in that are needed. If they can do it cheaply then bravo, it doesn’t bother, but the chances are yes, they will need to spend more than £6m in a summer window.

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:58 PM

    Ibiza

    True…..thats why I said I didn’t want to continue arguing with tequila….just specualtion….all evidence suggests that he isn’t doing anything wrong.

    I am hoping for lazio

  • 94 Ian Toon // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Ibiza- how are you? What I am questioning is the timing of his
    loss of faith. I prefer to paint a glowing picture. Fortunes can turn round fairly dramatically. Hence my highlighting last April when he was buoyant. By any measure the squad post January with returning and new players will be much stronger.
    On the mission statement / 5 year rolling plan!! The intention is not for it to be trawled over but to give a broad indication of the way forward and means of operating. As with a Company it is subject to changing circumstances and therefore change. I have given my views on this on countless occasions. It will doubtless be amended at the end of the season. Where I feel you and I differ is in that when people like Beattie undergo a sea change if he is to remain credible then he has to
    offer an explanation. Don’t hold your breath.

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    ibiza

    Yeh I guess thats what I mean too…right places for whatever price gets them.

    What annoyed me was just the way we wetn…quibling over a few million….if we cant get whoever for what we want move on quickly to another target….pardew said himself we have 7 names for each position off carr.

  • 96 Edmond // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    I think we do need to spend a bit of cash this transfer season, but we need to use the money wisely, more deals like tiote and cabaye, they are well worth the money, i think we should be about 12 million and getting 3 decent first team players, on qpr i think we will have a good game and play well, if we do i think we could get a win from arsenal or manu

  • 97 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:08 PM

    Ian…..Doing well thanks, just trying to tie up my years work to get a rest for Christmas – something is holding me back, definitely not the blog though! :)

    Well you know I too am someone who will generally find the positive in most situations, it’s in my make up, doesn’t make me right, but just the way I do things. Maybe I apply too many traits of my real life world to the blog, as in not banging my head against a brick wall in wanting others to post like I would, it’s not a reasonable expectation (not implying that is what you expect). I may not agree with what some say or the way they say it, but each and every poster brings something to the blog and it’s a question of finding that thing you can relate with and then moving on. By constantly challenging each other on here with direct force will never work, nor should it. It’s an open forum for debate and long may that continue. I can talk to myself in the mirror if I want a conversation with an attractive and agreeable individual :)

    On the 5 year plan, I think we’re saying a similar thing, it is a guideline that will obviously change over the course of time.

    Anyway, no doubt we will, but If I don’t catch you before, I hope you and yours have a great Christmas and New Year.

  • 98 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:10 PM

    TS….Yeah, what did happen to the alternative targets? I have filed it under “We’ll be okay for half a season and can get the players we want then”, which is soon to be archived in the “mistakes” file.

    Edmond….With current form it’s hard to expect anything after the QPR game for a while, but if we can get some confidence and play our game we can match most on our day so there is always hope.

  • 99 catchy in norway // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:14 PM

    MIKE ASHLEY is making plans which he hopes will allow Newcastle United to “challenge for everything” within five years.

    The Toon tycoon is sifting his way through a financial programme that will clear debts left behind by the previous regime and allow Newcastle to compete in the transfer market with the rest of the Premier League and European big guns.

    United have mapped out their future and are banking on their youth and academy system to bring through the best in homegrown and foreign talent.

    Managing director Derek Llambias told the Chronicle: “In five years’ time I would hope we would be challenging for everything

    IBIZA

    well i think if there was a plan there it was abandond at the end of last season,

    i can see no reason for them to have not brought in more players in the summer, this year more than most would have been great, 1, new money deal next year, 2 europe,,

    being in europe and a good finnish in the league means more money,, its self funding in a way

    pardew complains about it, but it is where the club needs to be,

    what i find strange is every one talking about how poor our squad is, lack of depth, pardew makes 9 changes for european games, and wins, fergy makes a couple and wins,
    there is the same rest time for games, so why does pardew feel the need to play 2 different teams,,

    ibiza

    one thing

    who do you think is the better manager pardew or CH

    i like CH alot, i would have really liked to see what he could have achieved at our club, however i dont think he was / is the the guy to get you to that next level,,
    i,e, chalenging for top 4, but i think he would be doing much better than AP is right now and probably always will do better than him

  • 100 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:21 PM

    Catchy…Well the first issue is whether you believe a plan was really in place. Assuming it was…

    ….You say it was clearly scrapped in the summer. You know my feelings here and that for now I am thinking arrogance got in their way in that they could wait for the targets they wanted rather than moving on down the list. That would be a mistake, not a complete scrapping of the plan. You’re comments are very final and unforgiving, but maybe you’re right. We’ll see.

    A lot of us felt even with our good season last year we still needed new players in. We’re not the complete article, never have claimed to be, so yes, we think we need strengthening and that’s without considering EL fixtures.

    On CH vs AP….I loved CH, but did feel he would be somewhat limited in how far he can go. I don’t think there is too much to chose between them tbh. I don’t know what to base a further opinion on really.

  • 101 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Ed
    Your argument about increasing Cabaye’s wages is a false prophecy. Buying another gifted play maker like Sissoko is what is needed. There are many ways to motivate a player and wage demands are only sought by a few……..such as Ba, Van Persie etc etc
    If we want our club to be truly successful then we need to have depth of squad and real competition for all areas of the squad. That keeps players on their toes and less complacent….but most importantly it is likely to end up in a better atmosphere, more comradery and the ability to challenge for trophies.
    Btw MA bangs on about sustainability etc etc….well he let a whole load of young ens go n that….have we seriously invested in our youth squad this year….does anyone know.

  • 102 Ian Toon // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Ibiza. With all the hospitality at this time of the year life must be fairly hazardous for you. Don’t put yourself down and be so hard on yourself! I have always found you extremely malleable and very accommodating to another point of view. That’s why your the leader of the orchestra. This is a 5 year rolling appointment which will be updated depending on circumstances. If you find it distressing looking in the mirror then just do what you do when banging your head against the wall you refer to. Stop doing it! Yours in sport.

  • 103 Ian Toon // Dec 20, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    Ibiza- I did say that you could take a poster off at the knees without them even realising.




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