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West Ham To Ditch Carroll – Are Newcastle Interested?

9:47 am, Thursday, December 20th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 48 Comments

News today that loan player Andy Carroll may be sent back to Liverpool by West Ham, as the London club think his massive £80K/week wages could be better spent on other players to strengthen their squad for the rest of the season.

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Andy Carroll - coming home?

Andy always had little niggles with injuries at Newcastle, but he has played just nine times with one goal at Tottenham for West Ham this season, and he he is currently out injured and with the England international’s injury problems the Hammers believe the wage commitment could be better spent on other players.

Liverpool are said to have a recall option in January, and it works both ways with West Ham also being able to send Carroll back next month.

Carroll has a knee injury at the moment and will be out another few weeks, and he hit the headlines for all the wrong reasons earlier this month following an altercation with a photographer during West Ham’s Christmas party held in Dublin, Ireland.

Newcastle are short of strikers, and Alan Pardew is a big admirer of the 23 year-old,  so if Newcastle could get the lad on loan for the rest of the season, that could be a big boost for Newcastle, and a huge boost for the local lad.

There are big question marks over Demba Ba’s future at Newcastle, with the Senegal man likely to walk out of the club next month if he gets a suitable offer, and the other club are willing to pay the £7M release clause in his contract, and Shola Ameobi could be off to the African Cup of Nations next month too.

Newcastle could be in a decent negotiating position too, with other clubs unlikely to want to take a risk on the big lad.

It’s certainly plausible for Newcastle to want to bring Andy back on loan, and in the summer, owner Mike Ashley seemed very keen to bring the £35M striker back to Tyneside.

What do you think?

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48 responses so far ↓

  • 1 markmac // Dec 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM

    wouldnt expect that to happen unless liverpool pay about 99% of his wages, plus he’s injured anyway…

  • 2 Beattie25 // Dec 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM

    Pointless debating it as he canny play for more than 2 clubs in a season.

    Also is anyone else worried about Shola going to the Afcon? If Demba or Papiss get injured and Ashley doesn’t invest we could seriously be fcuked.

    He isn’t the best is wor Shola but it’s better to have 1 poor striker than none at all. I undernstand his desire to represent his country at a major competition but it goes to show how short sighted our owner and MD are.

    No club should have 3 strikers and even of Remy comes in we will still only have 3 (or 2 if Ba leaves) strikers for over a month potentially.

    We need major investment as the same applies to Tiote leaving and Cabs not being back until Feb.

    Perch and Anita as a central 2 is not good enough for a relegation dog fight. I’m Anitas biggest fan but he and Perch cannot form the partnership required to win football matches.

  • 3 WorJordi // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    Isn’t there a rule about 1 player not playing for more than 2 clubs in a season? If so then Carroll would be ineleigible. Wouldnt he?

  • 4 WorJordi // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM

    Thanks Beattie. Thought so

  • 5 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Well if it was a proper transfer he would have to accept a significant wage cut to get back to his home town and more chances of football.

    I just feel there are better players out there for that kind of money, and we have more pressing priorities than a target man who hasn’t really scored in 2 years.

    I think we should just move away from carroll but it will be a true measure of what Alan Pardew sees for our future. Are we going to be a team that relies on long balls and wingers or will be a team that keeps posession.

    Not saying getting carroll will mean only long ball but we play enough without him so can’t see us playing a more passing game if he were to arrive.

  • 6 obatoyou // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:01 AM

    Has he played for Liverpool this season?

  • 7 WorJordi // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM

    @2
    All very good points.
    I reckon we will all get a big surorise in January.
    It will be something we were not expecting either.
    MA cannot afford for us to go down if he wants to sell us which I think is the case.
    He isnt daft he is a businessman who is very successful,
    He will invbest so we climb clear of the Relegation zone and also……. I reckon we will have a good run in the FA Cup.
    There. Predicitions nailed to mast.
    Hope I’m right.

  • 8 Graeme // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:04 AM

    Ed, Ba can’t walk out next month, he is under contract. Another team can activate his “Buy-out Clause” which would allow Ba to be transfered. To say he can walk out is complete nonsense.

    If WHU don’t want Carroll, why on earth would we want him back in the current circumstances? He has done absolutely nothing since he left us, pretty much proving liverfool grossly overpaid for a fairly average player.

    We need to strengthen the back four, before improving the rest of the squad – if improving is the key, then AC has no chance of returning.

  • 9 Beattie25 // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:05 AM

    Worjordi

    We could spend 10-15 million on him and let him chill out until August 2013. Knowing this club that’s Exactley what we’ll do.

    I don’t want him back. His brand of football suited us perfectly and vice versa. Signing him again would go further to prove to me that Pards doesn’t want to build a technical and exciting football team.

    Never mind standing still as we did this summer, stepping back is even worse.

  • 10 markmac // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:06 AM

    never thought of the 2 club rule…i cant remember if he played for lpool or not. is it actually that he cant ”play” for more than 2 teams or is it that he cant be on the books of more than 2 teams?

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:08 AM

    beattie

    I agree…we don’t need him back.

    There is nothing wrong with long ball football to get a solid mid table finish.

    All teams that win league around europe do not play long ball football…that’s just a fact.

    To get into the champs league you need to play a more passing game, not saying we need to be barcelona but we need to make sure that we keep possession, use it well, be patient in our build up and not just aimlessly punt it long.

  • 12 Beattie25 // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:09 AM

    Transfer sage

    I concur

    Worjordi

    I agree 100% but my worry is is that Ashley will try to help us avoid relegation at the smallest expenditure possible. He knows nothing about football and if he thinks spending £5 million is enough that’s all he’ll do. He is a gambler and will gamble with this clubs future rather than guarantee it.

    That’s my opinion anyway.

  • 13 markmac // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Transfer – lets just hope AP reads this blog and realises we want a nice passing game…

  • 14 WorJordi // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:11 AM

    @9
    Totally agree
    I think it would be a step TOO far backwards as most teams have sussed AP tactics and this signing would only exagerate our tactics (if you can call hoof ball tactics).
    Leave Carroll be and look to acquire someone like Remy who is good on the ground and I feel would link well ….in fact brilliantly as part of a front 3 with Cisse and Benny.
    Opposing defences would be Sh-tting themselves not knowing who or where to mark these 3.
    Cabs with Anita and Tiote in the middle
    Would we need a defence? Ha ha

  • 15 brian kilclines pony tail // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    yes lets buy expensive average english players, 80k a week for a 4 goals a season striker seems to make this rumor a non-starter.
    That works out at £1 million per goal per season.
    I thought we always tried to get value for money.
    That is the main reason I can’t see this happening, in order to sign for us he would need to half his wages at least.

  • 16 Scottiedog // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    I would say the best result would be a pre-signed end of season agreement for a straight swap – Carroll for Ba – Everyone’s happy :-)

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    markmac

    I dont mind if there is a transition to a passing game.

    I just want a safe league positon this year 12th or above (ideally top 10 but had a poor start so playing catch up) and a sign that we are progressing into a team which is suited to its individual players.

    I could understand a long ball game if we had carroll, nolan, a couple of proper wingers who cross the ball into the box….but we dont, we have HBA, cabaye, cisse, marvoux, anita, ba…these can all play a more technical style of football and would probably get better results with it.

  • 18 WorJordi // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:15 AM

    But as a back four Santon Right back,Colo and Toby Alderweild with Erik Pieters at Lback.
    I reckon total outlay 18 m not including anyhting we got from Ba who unfortunately I think is on his way.
    Not a huge investment to keep us in PL and a good first eleven to attack a cup run.
    Also leaving a relatively strong bench once everyone is back fit.

  • 19 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:18 AM

    wor jordi

    Alderweild is the one we should really push for…he is a very good player and defender.

    I’d also then take debuchy or pieters.

    Then try ti get douglas and sissoko tied up to join for free in the summer.

    Bid 3.5 mil for diame at west ham…he will be fit around feb so will strengthen us for the last couple of months of the season by the time he settles and returns to fitness.

  • 20 Beattie25 // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:19 AM

    Something interesting.

    After trying to find the FIFA rules I’ve came accross a solicitors opinion of the rule and it states that players cannot be transferred more than once but can play for more than 2 clubs if loaned out.

    This can has to approved and mainly applies to youngsters going on loan.

  • 21 WorJordi // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:19 AM

    In fact Beattie……
    I am feeling totally positive looking at a team like that.
    Playing good football and a very potent strike force.
    Things wouldnt seem so bad as they do now, but a win against QPR will lift spirits furhter.

    Lets hope eh?
    HWTL

  • 22 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Umm
    Strange headline like Ed!
    Hope we get a decent team would love to see a huge tie we could all get excited about!

    Indian mag
    Agree lazio would be a fantastic draw

    Torq
    Really hope not
    AC has looked so poor since leaving us and seems to be heavily injury prone not to mention we dont get decent ariel service in to the box really dont see what he’d bring to the team other than high wage demands which are unjustified think AC is on something like 80k a week if he got that here then would of rathered we gave that to ba atleast he can score!
    Also about biglia would be a great signing but your right we have tiote but do you think he’ll still be here in feb??

  • 23 Rotonda heights // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Scottie dog

    I wouldn’t be at all happy to see carroll back. the last 4 matches pardew has finally tried to play some football.

    Even the hight priest of route 1 hoof ball allardyce realises carroll is a busted flush who is extremely injury prone

  • 24 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Sorry for the repost

  • 25 brian kilclines pony tail // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:23 AM

    @worjordi – never in the history of newcastle united has such a vast amount of cash been spent on the defence, wont happen, cant happen, dreaming.

  • 26 WorJordi // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:24 AM

    Transfer
    Great thinking.
    Would love to see Diame here and it would be a win double as it would really p-ss off BSA lol
    I really think Alderwield would be a brill signing.
    Whichever way you look at it with a solid investment this window, we could secure PL mid-table and kick on again next season… buoyed of course by the cup win in May…lol
    Where is the Europa Cup Final played this season?

  • 27 markmac // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM

    Transfer – im with you on that, you can see glimpses of it in our play i think someone needs a word with Krul and tell him the passing game starts from him! as whenever he gets the ball he hoofs it 90% of the time,

  • 28 Beattie25 // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM

    If we could sign one player from Ahax it’d be Boilesen. A left footed wing back, built and plays like Santon and has played at RB before.

    We could move Santon to RB or keep him at LB and have 2 real Full Backs.

    Then have Remy as LW, Anita covering LB from DM rather than Jonas from LM and Santon doing what he was born to do, bomb forward like Cafu in his prime.

    I’d love Alderweirled too, but I think he’ll be out of our price range and I expect a team with European ambitions to come in for him.

    I still don’t think we’ll get a CB this window. We’ll probably get Nicola Zigic.

  • 29 obatoyou // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM

    True I’ve said all along he will buy 3 players over 15 m of course he has the money, we need to operate at a loss it’s the only way to play in the prem these days

  • 30 HullMag6 // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM

    Our so called technically better player cant score from set pieces. AC would give us half a chance.

  • 31 WorJordi // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    @brian kpt
    This is true but there is a first time for everything.
    If even half of what we all want comes in this window I reckon we’ll all be relatively happy.
    Which is what being a toon supporter is all about isnt it? lol
    HWTL

  • 32 obatoyou // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:27 AM

    What u think ajax is, some kind of feeder team for the premier league

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:28 AM

    Hull

    That’s mainly because we cross every set piece to Williamson haha.

    I want George friend from Middlesbrough. Very good LB and CB

  • 34 TorqToon // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    TADS – Regarding whether Mr T will still be with us come feb – who knows. But if he WERE to go then it would be for big big money! He has been port this season but would still attract a huge fee. Anita has been superb in the midfield this season and Bigi really had come into his own and has a very bright future with us. I would 100% prefer Remy to Carroll – a cracking and über skilful player who would form a devastating top 3 with Cissé and HBA.

    Read somewhere today that WHU are looking at Remy also with sending Maiga in the other direction! They only just bloody signed the lad!

  • 35 Beattie25 // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    I’ve said before the only way to be successful in football in via investment.

    The fair play rule will serve to alienate smaller football clubs than help them.

    If you can only spend what you earn then how can Norwich compete with Man United.

    Man United will always have hundreds of millions to spend and this will only monopolise the top places.

    If Arsenal for example get 4th they’ll have more to spend on cementing that position.

    It really is stupid. The only way to break free of the monopoly is to invest . Unfortunately if done incorrectly we end up with a Portsmouth but as long as FIFA keep tabs on the purchasing of clubs and the amount they invest then there is no problem in getting in debt.

  • 36 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:34 AM

    So does this cross Martinez of our wish list as he’s blaming injuries for bad form?

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11682/8344834/Wigan-boss-Roberto-Martinez-blames-injuries-not-player-sales-for-poor-form

    Note the one and only comment on the page…seems to be from a Wigan fan (but I am assuming).

  • 37 rainrix // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    I honestly dont see why diame would leave west ham for us, they’re miles ahead of us atm and look relatively safe for mid table. Wouldn’t harm sticking the bid in just in case but i doubt he’d come. Sissoko would be the better option imo

  • 38 HullMag6 // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:38 AM

    Biglia/sissoko = taxi for tiote?

    Dream signings this and next window (if we survive)

    Remy
    Debuchy
    Douglas or/and better cb
    Sissoko
    Biglia
    Ince
    Carroll

    Outgoings
    Ba
    Tiote
    Marveaux (for Remy)
    Obertan?
    Gosling?

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:38 AM

    Beattie

    It’s the same with all business though.

    You cannot set a business up without making a loss for a couple of years as you expand it.

    You get a bank loan (or in football terms a rich owner) and then use that to improve your business or football team and then as it gets bigger and better you start to bring more in and have to spend a little less to maintain and improve it…then eventually you will break even and can turn a profit.

  • 40 markmac // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:39 AM

    @ 30 non of our players can do that!

  • 41 Transfer Sage // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:41 AM

    rainrix

    he might not come but it is worth a try.

    They may be ahead of us currently but long term do you see west ham being ahead of us.

    We are a bigger club than west ham (in the premier league era) and for whatever reason we seem to attract all sorts of good players.

  • 42 HullMag6 // Dec 20, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    Oops forgot pieters in my list lol

  • 43 Munster Mag // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    I think you can speculate all you want about Toby Alderweild , Boilsen abd anyone else, but the end result is that Ashley doesnt give a toss, once we can cling on to premiership and advertise Sports Direct. Thats the end game. The proof was in the lack of summer investment. And even if we spend 10 mill now, it just means we wont spoend much in the summer, and we will, without a shadow of a doubt, lose 1-3 more star players . So if we make 15 mill in the summer, expect to see a couple of Bigi’s and maybe one established player. But we wont progress. Thats if we are lucky enough to stay up.

  • 44 oldbobaycliffe // Dec 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    would rather give ba a pay increase and save the transfer fee than buy carroll.he wont what to take a cut in wages anyway

  • 45 Spreadthetoon // Dec 20, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    no thanks to Carroll…don’t want to go back to hoofball and want to see the team play the ball along the ground….get Remy….Carroll’s wages way too expensive and would be a massive step backwards IMO.
    Also I think Newcastle definitely need 2 new wingers as this is a major area of fraility along with strikers and defense….oh yeah that’s pretty much the whole team isn’t it….LOL….well what is clear is we do not have anywhere near enough depth. Open the cheque book you tight Tw@t Ashley.

  • 46 johnp // Dec 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    Signing Andy Carroll would make us stronger at both offensive and defensive set pieces. Goal threat every time we had a corner / free kick and better capability when defending them. A backward step???

  • 47 hadthetshirt // Dec 20, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    I would rather we got Remy or Gameiro,and maybe Guidetti on loan,and Debuchy and Pieters,if we lose Marveaux then Sissoko would be nice.I would rather obertoon went than Marveuax though.

  • 48 Sav // Dec 21, 2012 at 12:45 AM

    In fairness to to Carroll, I seem to remember him coming deep and linking play quite a bit. His touch and ability to bring other players into the move were pretty good. Anyone would think he stood like a lamp-post on the penalty spot.
    The main problem is surely going to be his wage and the fact that Mashley won’t pay it. But as I see it, that is Liverpool’s problem, not ours.




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