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Pardew May Break Up Demba Ba-Cisse Strike Partnership

10:37 am, Friday, December 21st, 2012 by Ed Harrison · 38 Comments

Alan Pardew has laid down the law to Papiss Cisse, and says the Senegal striker must score in the next couple of games against QPR and Manchester United, otherwise he will lose his place to Shola Ameobi for the next game at Arsenal, and it seems Shola is showing up well in training.

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Papiss Cisse – place under pressure

We have the odd situation of Demba ba scoring 11 goals in the Premier League this season and Papiss Cisse scoring only twice, and it was almost the opposite last season when Papiss joined us from SC Freiburg –  and he couldn’t stop scoring and hit 13 goals in just 14 appearances.

This is what Alan Pardew said in the local press today:

“It’s natural for pressure to be applied when you have one striker scoring and one not. We are having to work our way through it and that’s what we’ll continue to try to do.” “Sometimes with players you need to show loyalty and sometimes you need to show faith – I will always do that with my strikers.”

“But there does come a point when I have to say ‘OK, let’s try something new.’ “Shola is knocking on the door at the minute. He wants to have a go and that’s something I will need to look closely at over the next couple of games.”

“We need Papiss to chip in with goals and in fact I thought he did well against Manchester City. He was unlucky not to score after two minutes with an intuitive effort that Joe Hart saved.”

“Demba scores goals. He did the first half of last season and we need him to have a better second half this time around.”

We’ve never seen Cisse and Ba play well together, but we’ve seen Shola Ameobi and Ba play well, and Shola has skills that Papiss doesn’t – and Ameobi is very good in the air and can head the ball on and set up chances for Ba, which he did so well in setting up Ba for that great goal against Manchester United last January.

But Papiss Cisse looked a lot better than of late against Manchester City last weekend, and maybe he’s coming into a bit of form, but goals is what Newcastle need now – and now’s the time to deliver – otherwise we could see Shola Ameobi start the game at Arsenal a week tomorrow.

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Tags: Coaching · Demba Ba · Papiss Cisse · Premier League · Shola Ameobi





38 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Magpies-till-d3ath // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:43 AM

    Sky bet have suspended all bets on Remy to join us!!!!:)

  • 2 Transfer Sage // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    magpies til death

    not to rain on your parade but they did that in the summer with sessegnon leaving sunderland….if they get so many bets they suspend it just incase in happens…wouldn’t want to lose too much if it happens.

    still a good sign though.

  • 3 Toon Tang // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    hes not had much decent service though has he, although he shoulda buried that silver platter chance against mac shitty. we woulda gone on to win that if he had.

    just needs to played in his right position with balls coming at him in the box, we’ve seen what he can do

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    MUNSTER

    from previous post

    Yeh it would restore some faith in ashley…but as you say he needs to be consistent, sign the right players at the right time…not sign two or three when things are looking bad and barely any when we are doing well.

    I wouldn’t even mind if we sold one or two every few years to fund the arrival of a few good players.

  • 5 Transfer Sage // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    munster

    On marvoux….he is a central midfielder, likes to pass and move, beat a man…very good talent.

    Shame he barely gets a go and when he does it is out wide, hope he stays and he does well for us.

  • 6 Indian Magpie // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    If Real Madrid qualify for the Copa Del Rey Semi Final, they will play Barcelona, MUFC, Barcelona, MUFC, Barcelona (in row)

  • 7 Rotonda heights // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    Bl..dy typical pardew

    Finally realises they can’t play together but instead of going 433 with someone either side of one of them, it’s good old 442 hoofball to shola who is only ever any good as a 20 min sub.

    Just when I think he’s finally got a handle on it and some sort of change is on it’s way I read that. Why are the footballing gods so cruel to NUFC!

  • 8 beddersmag // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    Totally agree id have shola straight in cisse is being carried this season and ba plays better off shola. Has anyone seen much of remy? Please give me player comparison on his style of play?

  • 9 bills-son // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    Posted this on the last thread before I saw this new article from Ed…

    Jail – I agree we need another striker if Ba goes – but we can only play two and Cisse and Ba clearly don’t work. Remy has played on the wings and he’ll run the channels all day, something neither Ba and Cisse are capable of doing or want to do. IMO Remy and Cisse will work far better than Ba and Cisse.

    For me the biggest problem this season hasn’t been injuries or Europe – all though both have had an effect – the biggest problem has been playing Ba through the middle and Cisse wide to keep Ba sweet. Cisse is a passenger out wide and we effectively play with 10 men. Too often we are left with just Ba for the midfield to find with a pass and its all too easy for the oppo to close him down leaving a hopeful punt as the only passing option.

    I said in the summer that I hoped Pardew hadn’t keep Ba on side by promising him he wouldn’t play wide in a 433. I believe Pardew did promise him that and it has been a massive mistake and comprimised team selection. Ba of course is happy – he’s got 10 goals in less than half a season compared to the 1 he got in the second half of last season. Thats put him right back in the driving seat to get the big money move he wants – and we are 5th bottom of the Prem.

    Like I said in my last post, I hope Ba goes. IMO it will be for the benefit of the team. I know it depends on Remy and Cisse quickly finding form but if I was in Pardew’s position I wouldn’t want the Ba situation to continue. Pardew is in a corner and he needs to get out of it. If Ba stays and Remy comes, Pardew has to play Ba and Remy or Cisse and Remy – not Ba and Cisse.

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    indian

    saw your beloved dhoni had a good game yesterday haha….stuck with him longer no doubt now.

  • 11 eaststandgeordie1982 // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM

    I have been a victim of wonga the b@stards took £810 out of my account, i only have a personal bank loan, i will no longer buy newcastle tops now until wonga have gone.

  • 12 markmac // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    @8 he looks quick and skillfull from what ive seen but ive only done a dennis wise and watched him on youtube lol

  • 13 jckie15 // Dec 21, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    Its this sort of rubbish that shows why our season is how it is. Demba Ba speaks out of turn, about his desire to play for arsenal and how we are playing rubbish football, and whinges when he has to play out of position…..Cisse knuckles down tries for every ball puts 100% in, never criticises, never throws a strop about playing out of position. Pardew is playing him wide right, yet expects him to bang in the same amount of goals as BA.

    If he stopped worshipping the ground BA walks on and started treating him the same as everyone else, play him wide left liek last seaso nand cisse up top you might find we win some games and get some goals. playing him WIDE RIGHT for god sake! he’s obviously not going to bang them in! As for shola knocking on the door….howay! he is a squad player at best. he is not a first team premier league striker. I love his commitment, but he is not a first team week in week out starter and thats a FACT among any newcastle supporter! stop worshipping BA so he signs a new deal, and start focussing on the team! drop BA and stick cisse up top, he will get the goals and we wont have a selfish player hogging the ball in our team. yes he scores goals granted. but others would too if he ever passed! RANT OVER

  • 14 bills-son // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    @ 8, Remy has played as a winger and he is quick, skilful and quite aggressive. He is also very good in the air and that is something we definitely need more of up front. He also seems a really confident guy and I don’t he would be fazed by anything he’d come across in the Prem.

  • 15 jckie15 // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:01 AM

    LETS GET BEHIND CISSE ON SATURDAY!

  • 16 jckie15 // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    UTTER GARBAGE – TOTALLY ANNOYED WITH PARDEW NOW LIKE

  • 17 markmac // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:02 AM

    hope he bags a hattrick :-]

  • 18 jckie15 // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    I HOPE HE BAGS 5 MATE…BA OUT FOR ME! COMPROMISING THE TEAM!

  • 19 hadthetshirt // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    @9 agree with that 100% hope Remy has signed.

    This is another pardew mistake.Look at goals per game ratio and 23 is not at the races compared to Cisse .for god’s sake pardew grow some balls and put Ba wider and let Cisse have the role he played in last year,if he doesn’t come good then fair play rest him,to criticise him when your playing him as a winger just shows you up you numpty.I’m starting to doubt pardew now.I can just hear his excuse for our european exit,”we wuzz tired,it was a long trip,not even man u or city can do well playing thursday and sunday” he must think were all Jakey Marmalade’s.He changes 9 players,United and City played Wednesday and Saturday,same number of days between games pardew.Stop making excuses and earn your corn.The player’s must be sick of listening to him bleat on bah bah

  • 20 stuart no9 // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    toon-tang @3 – i dont think you can blame cisse for our defeat against city.
    1 miss only takes a second, what about the other 89 mins 59 seconds. city would have beaten with their pure class, so to say cisse mis cost us 3 points is a bit bazarre.

  • 21 Sav // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Ba leaving would not be much of an issue if we had been winning games. The time to sign new players was during the summer when we were 5th in the EPL. Now we are closer to relegation places than the top, our main man is under speculation and the world is about to end. Its not Europe, injuries, Cisse/Ba, 4-4-2 or the Mayan calendar to blame, but squarely a failure to invest when it was discussed at length and obvious we needed to do so in the summertime.
    Mashley figured it would be cheaper to flourish a ridiculous 8-year managerial contract and Pards would be so grateful he’d put up with an understaffed squad and promote a few inadequate youngsters to make up the numbers. That may be how you run a successful discount sportswear chain but not a Prem football club.

  • 22 stuart no9 // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    bills @ 9 yep i agree wiyh you about ba, yeah he is scoring the goals , however as a team i feel he is stifling us a bit and we need to be given a bit more air- more breathing space if you know what i mean . its one dimensional , we need to spray it about the park, keep it on the ground, use cabaye and bennie to their max when they return. in an odd way ba could suffocate us and who knows may take us dowm!!!!

  • 23 blew // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    The Ba/Cisse problems are self induced, their national team would not play them toagether, because they can not do so.
    Carr was sent to assess Cisse with a view to signing him, contradicting Senegal’s appraisal of their inability to play together.
    The rest is history. Bad management and unnecessary scouting to the tune of £9.5M. We have paid the price in every aspect

  • 24 danuneek // Dec 21, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    Its so frustrating reading this article!!! If he’s going to break the partnership up why does that mean he has to pick another striker for Ba to play alongside. Pardew is so stuck in his ways, Cisse and Ba aren’t working so lets try Ba and Bambi because we have to play 4-4 f***ing 2.

    The idea of Ba and Bambi up front pretty much confirms hoof ball. I’ve tried to be positive, anyone who has read my posts will know that. But this is so frustrating. If we’re going to play 4-4-2 with big strikers, we need good delivery from wide areas. We can’t cross FFS!!!

    Pardew needs to grow a pair and just say look here BA, you sign a new contract or F**k off! If he goes which will more than likely happen, Cisse can then be the number 9 and we build the team around supplying him with chances. For me that means we need more creative players. Everybody bangs on about our defense, but our attack is just as bad.

  • 25 danuneek // Dec 21, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    It snot like Cisse is missing loads of chances, he isn’t getting any!!!

  • 26 LargeSadMenace // Dec 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM

    How can it possibly be progressive to get rid of a proven goalscorer and replace him with an unproven player like Remy. He may ‘look like’ a good player but Ba has shown he can produce the goods even in a team completely void of creativity. Ba is keeping up with the best PL strikers, and out scoring many more yet his wages are less than half of some of these strikers. If the issue is that we aren’t offering him enough money, which looks the most likely case then I don’t see how we can blame Demba. His attitude is no differrent to any other modern succesful footballer and perhaps he looks at the comparitively poor offer on the table here at NUFC combined with the consistent lack of investment and maybe he feels disheartened at the lack of ambition shown by our owner. This could be the case for many of our underperforming players this season, for one Cabaye has been reported as disappointed with the lack of incoming players in the summer. It must be demoralising for our players to hear the same inconsistent rubbush coming from Pardews mouth as we do with regards to transfers, the rubbish which is a direct result of a lack of clarity from our owner with regards to his intentions with our club.

  • 27 south coast toon // Dec 21, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    it looks like pards has put himself in the corner, cant blame ba for wanting to play in the centre,but why change it if it works wich it did for the team, the worring thing is they both cant score together on a regular basis,ba wide last year nay goals, cisse this year not many goals out wide, 1 has to go or play in cups, we need 8 10 goals from wide at least a season in pl we cant rely on 1 in the centre everygame ,remy looks like he could add goals from there and that might help us defensively to.its hard to drop ba if hes scoring, but you cant blame cisse if hes out wide and pards should not single him out, he needs to build his confedence up you know say something like cisse is giving 100 per cent but its not working for him out there, perhaps if he gets a few we,ll move him back in for the a go, god not say im droping him for shola.the pressure is starting to show for a bloke who has a good rep for man management he is starting to drop some clangers, 3 0 to us saturday and another good proformance, does anyone else think we are missing ryan taylor,danny guthrie, you know them squad players who came in and did a job last season,

  • 28 south coast toon // Dec 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    blew
    good piont, someone can resist a bargin…..lol 70per cant off

  • 29 stuart no9 // Dec 21, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    large @26 – i know exactly where your coming from with your comments about ba – and i would maybe agree with you to a point , however , its not working- something has to change , ba is scoring goals , but we are playing crap- take ba out of the equation , could we play better football? then from that , could we create more chances for EVERYONE to get on the score sheet. at present we have the lowest number of scorers in one team in the prem. we need to correct that if we have a chance of staying up. losing ba would not mean fewer goals IMO it would just mean the goals get distributed a bit more evenly. that is OMO . we cant go on like it is , something has to change and i think losing ba is not the end of the world.

  • 30 south coast toon // Dec 21, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    staut
    agree with you totally, would love to keep ba he scores goals but cisse does as well,can we keep both and rotate in cup games,injuries etc….weres that cb who can score goals, we need more players to be in a position to score goals and all the forward players scoring goals, players who will play for the team in any position

  • 31 magpie rangers // Dec 21, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    Listensadman I’m with you on this one.

    When did getting rid of the only goal scorer in a team solve the problem. Our problem being the whole teams playing awful this season, and the thought of having to watch the immobile ameobe week in week out fills me with dread.

    I can’t believe some fools on here wanting rid of demba,
    Is it Ba’s fault we can’t defend for toffee?
    Is it Ba’s fault we can’t string 3 passes together?
    Is it Ba’s fault we can’t deliver a corner or free kick?

    Barca didn’t win the league or champs league did there fans call for messi to be dropped and flogged because he scores all there goals??

  • 32 taker83 // Dec 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    Shole is knocking the door?Lol..which door of urs Pardew?

  • 33 stuart no9 // Dec 21, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    magpie @ 31 i-itsnot being a fool to want rid of BA. yeah he scores goals, but no one else does, – great, he has an off day – what happens ???? we need to get every player in a black and white shirt looking for an opportunity to nic a goal not leave it to 1 bloke. as long as ba is here pards will play route 1. not effective and wont keep us up

  • 34 magpie rangers // Dec 21, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    @stu no9

    We play route 1 football because we haven’t the midfield to play any other type of football at the moment. No wingers who can cross a ball, in centre midfield Tiote and co couldn’t pass water at the moment.
    Letting Ba leave would be suicidal, people think moving cisse 20 yard inside and he’ll start bagging every week with wonder strikes just won’t happen. It wasn’t dembas fault that cisse missed a sitter against city at 1-2, it wasn’t demba’s fault cisse missed the pen early season that landed in the upper Gallowgate.

  • 35 fletch91 // Dec 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    THe problem is part of the way Pardew wants to play without the ball. HWen we don’t have the ball he wants us with 5 men in midfield which means one of the front men doing a shift out wide. That is why Ba and Cisse don’t score together – in second half of last season Ba was havign to play out wide. THis season it’s Cisse who’s havign to do a job otuwide. Their both naturally goal scorers and neither is suited to playing the wide role.

  • 36 fletch91 // Dec 21, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Cisse’s chance against City was not a sitter. Difference was last year he was putting them top corner.

  • 37 south coast toon // Dec 21, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    i dont think anyone wants to get rid of a goal scorer, but part of our problem is both of them dont score together thats a fact that needs to be adressed quickly,ba release clause causes to much trouble every window, so is pards pampering to the wishes of ba,we are playing with the same defence as last year mostly,we have to address the problem rotate them somehow or get shot of one how many games sinse last jan have they both scored in, they dont work together its a fact, theres no doubt they r both prolific goalscorers in there position but not together,out of the 2 if it comes down to it ba goes for me,i dont want him to go its madness but facts are facts

  • 38 toonicle // Dec 21, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    I think he’ll fire two in tomorrow, early in the first and late in the second!




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