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Pardew – Shola’s Goal Class – But Feels Sorry For Fans

8:24 pm, Saturday, December 22nd, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 238 Comments

Alan Pardew had labeled the game today as a must win game – and thanks to a wonderful goal form Shola Ameobi with just nine minutes left in the game, Newcastle took all three points, but it was an ugly game to watch and the Newcastle manager has admitted as much.

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Alan Pardew – felt sorry for the Newcastle fans

Alan Pardew has learned very quickly what Newcastle fans expect of their team and he knew today’s performance was far from what the fans want tos ee, and it was a poor games between two poor sides, but it was a fantastic three points at the end of the day.

This is what a subdued Alan Pardew said after the game:

“The pudding will taste a little bit sweeter. I feel sorry for our fans. We have put them through the rack, really, over this last period.” “They have watched some football that hasn’t been our best.”

“But you have periods in your tenure as a manager and sometimes a season.” “Last season, we sailed through one or two low moments but not many. This year, it’s been a sustained little run.”

“But the last five games, two wins in the last four Premier League games, they are starting to look the right sort of stats now.” “Now we need to back that up and get a big win against one of the big clubs, and that would really cement us into mid-table.”

“Shola’s a big man and this was a big occasion and he likes big occasions.” “I wanted to get Shola on the pitch, and thank goodness I did because it was a really class finish.” “He could have taken the shot with his right foot, which is his stronger foot, but to have that composure in that area is first-class.”

It was Shola’s day today alright, and his very first goal of the season in the league, but his third overall, and it was a terrific effort and his overall play was good too – and we expect Shola to start at Old Trafford on Wednesday.

The 31 year-old takes an awful lot of criticism, but let’s admit he was Newcastle’s hero today.

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238 responses so far ↓

  • 1 RonVanDam // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM

    We played better today. Would say 2nd best display after the Wigan game

  • 2 RonVanDam // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

    I think we wouldve scored more if the conditions were better

  • 3 Gateshead-Mag // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    honestly think the only reason marveux isnt starting is because he wont drop jonas. hopefully hel have conceeded defeat after today. or has obertan earned the place??

  • 4 89Norcal // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM

    RVD,

    I’m not sure. Our best play over the last month was vs. City, today we were faced with a cynical QPR side that defended and sat back. So maybe that’s why we looked so lax.

    I think Pards is finally waking up to Guti, I think that’s the first time he’s subbed him save for when he was exhausted.

  • 5 Gateshead-Mag // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    also shola I love you!!!

    couldnt not mention the big man on HIS thread

  • 6 Lee Dodd // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

    I was at The Game today . Why Does alan pardew persist in playing Ba abd Cisse Together then also Gutierez ?? We needed a speed merchant he brings on Obertan and shakes it up. Shola is still our savior . Just hocan get a run going as Man U Arsenal and then Everton at Home is Going to be Very Hard. ALSO Cisse is not a winger for gods sake Alan !!!!

  • 7 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

    Have to say, how good is Anita looking!

    I never doubted he had skill, but I knew he would struggle physically, but he’s probably been our man of the match or there abouts for about 5 games now.

    Really happy for him, he had a tough start, but he is really showing his class now. Improving every game.

    Can’t wait for the midfield three of Anita cabaye and tiote.

    Krul
    Debuchy CB colo santon
    Anita tiote cabaye
    Remy cisse Ben arfa

    No way that team will get relegated.

  • 8 bottle // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    matty NUFC

    peace to all men (and B&B)

  • 9 ONLINE GUY // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    Could you all have a go at this and post your final placing for Newcastle ..points and final position should come out of the average from each of us .. Be straight and honest with yourselves and we should get a true reflection on where or thereabout’s we should finish.

    news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/predictor/default.stm

  • 10 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

    conaldo, repost

    read an interview with Marveaux two weeks ago with ESPN

    can 100% say it is NOT him having a bad attitude. If i were him i’d be throwing a fit by now at worst or at best trying to find out clubs who were interested in me in January. He’s taken everything on the chin like a model pro

  • 11 Lee Dodd // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM

    Ba had 5 ree kicks overth top – A Cabaye an HBA or an Ryan Taylor would have nailed it !!!! Demba Ba Either Sign Up or Go as we are not having another fiasko !!!!

  • 12 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRFgqPLmmDY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    We love you big man!!!
    Shola certainly has his critics but shola is everything nufc, he’s the underdog, a fighter and a proper geordie!
    Dont know if anyone else notice’s but at an away game when shola comes on this song normally rings out and soarks the entire away end!

  • 13 RonVanDam // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    I think there should be few exceptions on buying players under 28 years. I believe we should’ve gone for Ryan Neilson when he became a free agent near the end of last season. I know hes old (35) but he still has IT. Wouldve partnered Collo well at the back.

  • 14 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM

    I feel really sorry for Jonas like. He’s obviously seriously struggling for form, and what do you do there? Either play through and hope he regains form or not play him, but what if he doesn’t regain his form again due to not playing? I don’t think it’s as simple as some people make out, but in current form, there are players who should be ahead of Jonas.

  • 15 bottle // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    Conaldo

    Tiote
    Anita
    HBA
    Cabaye
    and soon Marv I hope

    all class acts, all skilled players, all capable of taking us up the table.

  • 16 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM

    RonVanDam
    Should always be exceptions like, hangelands out of contract this season inagine him n colo at the back!

  • 17 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:37 PM

    shola

    such a shame he can’t run. for ten years he was trying to find his place in this team to no avail. played when he was less than deserving, or we were completely out of options (or our owner sold our only other forwards)

    within the last two years he’s really found his niche. wouldn’t say i was ecstatic to see him come off the subs bench today but i’ll happily hold my hands up when he does that….spurs last year, today, he’s got so many little cameos over the past two, two and a half seasons that have proved so important in the grand scheme

    bravo, shola.

  • 18 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Matty – ill have a look for the article.
    I was only speculating, but I think the reason is the defensive side of his game. Everyone needs to defend in the premier league, but again im only guessing.

  • 19 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:39 PM

    on a more sour note

    is anyone else equally worried about Colo’s form this season?

    flashes of brilliance, but too many Willo imitations for my liking…..think he’ll be able to hack it next year at this level (pending we stay here)?

  • 20 Gateshead-Mag // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

    conaldo

    i dont know if its just me but do ya not think jonas looks porkier than he did in championship and promotion season?? looks asif he hasnt got the pace or ability to go past people he had maybe this has something to do with it?

  • 21 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM

    conaldo

    look no further. merry xmas

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/1248797/andy-brassell:-marveaux-eager-to-make-up-for-lost-time?cc=5901

  • 22 daztoon // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM

    A win is a win but still to negative from Pardew at home against the worst side in the prem.missed the opportunity to get The goal diff down.Pardew blames injuries but still refuses to start Marv.What must he be thinking when Obertan comes back from being injured yet still gets on before him.

  • 23 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    gateshead

    jonas looks the same to me

    difference is, some players lose ‘it’ when they’re 35, some when they’re 30, some earlier. it all depends. whatever it is, jonas has lost it

    will say though, today was by far his best performance this season for us (and still left much to be desired)

  • 24 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    Gateshead – I don’t know wether it’s that, as he seems in decent enough shape, and when he does run he’s still fairly fast,
    I think it might be a confidence thing, I think that might be why he struggles to take on the defenders etc.

    Matty- ha cheers, ill have a read in a minute.

  • 25 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

    wonder if Indian will post?

  • 26 RonVanDam // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    Whos with me that Ba shouldve been replaced instead of Cisse?

  • 27 Gateshead-Mag // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    conaldo

    well what ever it is i think an all-firing marveux would be on another level to an all-firing jonas amy hoo. but what do i know? haha

  • 28 miggy // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM

    nice to see people applauding shola on here for a change still back to normal come wednesday lol n yes a dont think we will get a result against manure but i live in hope cmon the toon i think we get beat of manure we beat the gooners 1 nil n draw at home w everton u heard it here first

  • 29 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    If you missed football focus this is quality :-)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20805697

  • 30 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    Decent article. He seems a good bloke.

    Hopefully he can get a run in the team, as he obviously has talent.

  • 31 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM

    RVD

    I think a lot of fans, including myself, felt that way

    Ba’s off, I’m consigned to that, why shoot Cisse’s confidence even further. Nothing personal against Ba, but Cisse wants to be here, you saw his frustration.

  • 32 BelfastMagpie // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:54 PM

    The fact Pardew took Jonas off today,suggests he may have seen the light,regarding the Jonas situation.

    Up until that point we never strecthed their defence once,even though we were camped in their half,for the most part.

    Once Obertan came on & started running at the full back,they were all over the place.

  • 33 Tommyy // Dec 22, 2012 at 8:55 PM

    Agree that Jonas has lost the edge, just doesn’t look like a footballer anymore (that is not to say he can’t play football) just don’t think he’s good enough technically for us anymore.
    I’m glad Pardew has come out and acknowledged the fact that we were yet again poor today. At least he’s seeing it, but it really is down to him. We’ve argued and discussed it to death these last two seasons but we need to start playing football, and as to why we don’t/can’t still remains an a elusive mystery.

  • 34 Dannyo // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    Some of you have probably missed this:
    (Matt Spiro isn’t one to throw suggestions around easily btw)

    Matt Spiro ?@mattspiro
    Mathieu Debuchy left out of squad by Lille today. Wants January move and has probably played his last game for club #NUFC #LOSC
    Expand

  • 35 Macas // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:00 PM

    Seem to disagree with most posters here but thought Gurierrez and Cisse were two of our better players the first half. Cisse was sharper than I’ve seen him for a while, and Gutierrez looked much better than against City, got a few decent balls in.
    Don’t understand the praise for Obertan either, he was just as useless as usual, poor ball control and one or two duff passes.
    Tracked back well a few times but that’s not what he’s there for.
    He’ll never make it, but as he’s Pardew’s pet project it seems he’ll get plenty of chances.
    Nice to see Marveaux come on and make an impact, looks so bright and sharp these days and really deserves a start.
    As for Williamson getting flak for conceding a free kick late on, it was Perch who gave the ball away and put us in trouble.

  • 36 RonVanDam // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM

    @ mattyNUFC
    Cisse was more of a threat than Ba and had a better game between the two. I think AP keeps playing BA because of the physical presence he provides in the box

  • 37 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    Bringing cisse off could give him something to prove though, It smells of a Pardew Jedi mind trick.

    I’ve pretty much come to terms with ba leaving like. As long as we bring someone else in.

    But this could get cisse all riled up and he could knock in 4 goals past manure! No? Well. He might score one or two.

  • 38 BigKirky // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:02 PM

    Most definately the booing was for the fact that Cisse was taken off, not Ba, who we know wants to be off in search of mega money.

    Plus, he may pass to Cisse on the odd occassion but he never wants to create something for him. That is the difference.

    You know, Cisse and Ba DOES work. It requires Cisse in the middle and Ba wide left like last year and Benny on the right as a three. But of course, Ba doesn’t want that, so it doesn’t happen like last season.

    If Remy comes in, I’m sure the team will function a lot better as a 433.

  • 39 Macas // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Also we played better first half, second half was very scrappy.

  • 40 catchy in norway // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    Sad day for me, wanted us to lose so we can get rid,

    We won , but wrong starting line up, and most of you know that

  • 41 BelfastMagpie // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM

    When has Ba actually said he was leaving ??

    I know he said something about Arsenal being a dream move, but most players linked with champions league clubs would say the same thing..

    I dont believe for one minute that Arsenal are interested in him like. They’re trying to convince Walcott to sign a new deal by playing him up front.

    Giroud,Walcott,Podolski,Gervinho,Chamack can all play up front.

    They only play with one striker up top,so I really cant see them wanting Ba.

    West ham,Qpr etc will probably be interested.

    I could only really see him leaving for a champions league club & I dont think any of them want him..

  • 42 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    NUFC upset at a NUFC victory…best fans in the world

  • 43 RonVanDam // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    AP also made a smart move to replace Tiote even though he was having a good game. That way it gives him a option for next weeks game w/out Tiote.

  • 44 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    It was always gonna happen with Cisse being pissed right off – look at 12, mystic meg lol
    https://www.nufcblog.com/2012/12/22/newcastle-confident-of-unveiling-new-player-january-1st/comment-page-1/

  • 45 beefman13 // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:07 PM

    AP, u are a decent bloke but if u continue to stubbornly use certain players and continue with your over cautious approach to games then we will continue to struggle.

    it may sound harsh but time and time again this season we have had to put up with these sorts of performances ie no passion no attacking flair no real goal threat throughout 90 mins, its all in fits and starts.

    He is our manager but surely he has to see he is making a rod for his back, some of his favs have to get the heave ho simple as beacuse we are so stale and predictible, you may have to man up Alan and swallow your pride a bit for the good of everyone!!!!!

  • 46 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    NUFC fan upset at a NUFC victory…best fans in the world*

    Bleeding phone

  • 47 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    Catchy – if you’re serious you are an absolute joke. Joke of a fan, joke of a person.

  • 48 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:08 PM

    catchy i hope you’re joking

  • 49 Gateshead-Mag // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    seen it all now

    catchy gutted that we won hahaha

  • 50 Blaydon-Toon // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    Still A B C for our scorers when will it end and who will it be ? My choice Oba to break the sequence !

  • 51 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:09 PM

    Cisse was upset with being subbed much like Ba was upset at being subbed last season…want to stay on the pitch son play better and start scoring

  • 52 Jail for Ashley // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:11 PM

    More than happy with three points but actually feel physically sick watching our play today coming away from that Stadium

  • 53 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    Actually catchy i retract my Previous statement about you being a bad fan
    Your the worst kind of fcuking fan there is

  • 54 matias // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:12 PM

    To MACAS: Agreed Jonas was one of the few players making something happen in the first 60 min. TV commentator thought so too and was suprised he was subbed. A couple of his last passes were good. Maybe it`s become too much of a trend to dis Jonas.

  • 55 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    JfA
    Really? I didnt think we were that bad…seen us be a lot worse just had very little in cutting edge

  • 56 BelfastMagpie // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    Haha

    Catchy you mad b***** !!

  • 57 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:13 PM

    Tads – so very true.

  • 58 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:14 PM

    WWYCD – Your normally a canny poster mate but you gotta see Pardew is bang out of order asking him to play on the right wing. Its like asking Hatem to play centre back. The position is alien to him and he is gonna lose confidence in Pardew and our club.

  • 59 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    @tads totally agree. wanting your team to lose just so we sell players you don’t like? grow up.
    complain when we lose and when we win. really ridiculous

  • 60 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Yo- that’s what I’ve been thinking , apart from lacking a bit of quality in the final third, due to their excessive defending and time wasting etc, I thought we played some good stuff. In midfield and defence anyway.

  • 61 jeff // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    i think we wouldve won by more if demba ba actually looked for the pass sometimes. really, remember that time anita was completely unmarked in the box and ba tries some audacious quick turn and shoot

    hopefully tiote getting the yellow will give marv a chance to step up. shola and perch and guttierez will start vs man u, as will demba ba and anita, so will obertan or marv take it???

    funny thing, i onlyncould see delayed coverage, and i checked the result after 70 mins, but didnt check the scorer. i was absolutely begging any but ba to score and look who steps up- a striker who wants to play for the club

  • 62 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    Hotdog
    Mate cisse is in the identical situation ba was in last season but none of us seemed to mind when it was demba, why?

  • 63 josh // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    I’m going to get to the point with you catchy and save a lot of people some butthurt, you my son, are knob.

  • 64 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    RVD

    only pards knows why…..

    I don’t hold anything against Ba for wanting to leave, hell, I’d probably want to if we’ve served up this kind of footy for two years, but, doesn’t change the fact you ought to start making the folks happy who do want to be here

    cisse on the wing is and has been an absolute joke to me. He is not a winger, he can’t cross, he can’t hold up play. He is one of the most unique players around in that his only purpose and strong point is scoring. that’s it, that’s all you get. 13 goals in 14 games is not a fluke.

    play to cisse’s strengths, the goals will come back i’m sure

  • 65 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:16 PM

    I’ve followed Matt Spiro and he has always seemed to have a clue, however he’s probably accumulating a little bit. Debuchy’s interview is featured at

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8351249/Mathieu-Debuchy-still-keen-on-Newcastle-but-expects-to-stay-at-Lille-in-January

    ..having said that our Mathieu doesn’t half chuck a lot of ‘not happy’ and ‘please come and get me’ lines in there ha ha.

    OK, a one and a two and a three and a
    Debuchy!
    Debuchy!
    He still is there to get
    Debuchy!
    Debuchy!
    We might just sign him yet ha ha ha oh dear I have a migraine…..

  • 66 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM

    hotdog
    I dont think its out of order mate Cisse played through the middle most of the season and has looked poor, along side Ba looked poor and up top alone looked poor. Ba last season didnt do that and was pushed on the wing

    I agree Cisse shouldn’t be playing on the wing the bloke should be on the bench until his form comes back

  • 67 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    @tads because we were playing better and ba has played in the left before

  • 68 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:18 PM

    …but Pards is backing him enough to continue with him in the team so he can show why he should be starting which he hasn’t done

    This phone posting clearly isn’t working for me this evening

  • 69 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    The boys still there to geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!
    Debuchy!!!!!

  • 70 josh // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    I personally think pards is keeping ba sweet till he goes on his way. I think Remy is a done deal and he will sit wide behind cisse. Why upset the peace when ba has scored most of our goals this season. Purely working on logic here. Iv had a few vodka’s but of I can type, I can think.

  • 71 Dannyo // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:19 PM

    How can some of you numb nuts (you know who you are) call yourself fans of this club, wanting it to lose?!
    It is completely and utterly outrageous!
    You are NOT supporters of this club, you simply are not, and have no business being so.

    This is disgusting, wanting bad things with our club. Atrocious is what is is, a complete mental breakdown in the heads for some.

  • 72 Dannyo // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    @Tsunki

    Matt Spiro ?@mattspiro
    Mathieu Debuchy left out of squad by Lille today. Wants January move and has probably played his last game for club #NUFC #LOSC
    Expand

  • 73 josh // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:20 PM

    And I spell if wrong! Irony.

  • 74 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    I think catchy has lost all (or however little was remaining) of his respect and credibility on this blog.

  • 75 obatoyou // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM

    how did the backs go today?

  • 76 josh // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    Gonna throw it out there, catchy was always held in the same brackets as kets and Indian. And we all know how I feel about those two.

  • 77 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    The big difference is Ba was capable of playing on the wing cisse cant. Pardew should not try to accomodate Cisse out there as he is ruining him. Yes bench him and bring him on if you have to. Personally i would start him ahead of Ba as i have said earlier the kid is not committed to our club as he is refusing to remove the clause (if this is true).

  • 78 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:23 PM

    josh

    ha, because ba wants out, cisse wants to be here. i’d focus more on keeping players who want to be here happy rather than appease ones who want to leave

    and folks talking about cisse doesn’t deserve a start, blah blah

    is this down to him, or down to his instructions/role in the team? indubitably it must be the latter, no?

    I’ll say it again, cisse scores goals, that is it. 13 in 14 is not a fluke. play to his strengths and the goals will come again. could care less about making Ba happy

  • 79 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    @dannyo its like saying “i hope i break my leg so i don’t have to go to work tomorrow.” the means totally outweigh the gains. idiotic post by catchy.

  • 80 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    People just expect Cisse to score from right wing. Like it’s expected? So how many should LW provide?

    The absolute bollox written about Cisse is a joke. He needs to be played central, or not at all. But this is all from a manager who wouldn’t play HBA for 4 months so I expect little else.

    Oh, and Demba Ba was shocking. But he is immune to anything negative it seems. Can’t be criticised, can’t be subbed, but Papiss can be threatened with being dropped, played out of position, subbed nearly every game.

    Pardew is a prick. Plain and simple.

  • 81 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:24 PM

    hotdog 77

    exactly. ba can play there and be an effective member of the team. cisse can’t

  • 82 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:25 PM

    Yeah dannyo, my post is quoted in a tweetington followers reply to Spiro, the Equipe interview is where Spiro is adding up from. Cant blame him thought theres some fantastic quotes from Debuchy, I especially like his

    “No one at Lille has told me ‘you have to leave in January because we have money trouble’, but if an offer comes along and it would satisfy everyone…”

    I mean come on…. ha ha what a guy!

  • 83 RonVanDam // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Anybody watch L’pools game? Saw 2nd half, they are getting better and better. Their style suffocates the opposition out even when they are on the defense. 80% of their shots are between the sticks and lots of ground ball and pressing in offense and defense. We should be playing similar to them with the talent we have

  • 84 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    Josh – why keep a player sweet that is leaving and piss off a player you only signed a year ago. Stick Cisse up top and get creative players around him he will score goals as he proved here and in Germany

  • 85 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:26 PM

    sirtoon

    you’re usually pretty rational. rough day at the Park, I assume?

    I agree with you, as i usually do, btw

  • 86 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    Catchy you have well & truly lost the plot.. I’m you’re ghost & even i’m ashamed of you.

  • 87 nufc90 // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    @FrenchFtWeekly: Confirmation from Lille that Mathieu Debuchy wasn’t left out but suffered a groin problem and missed Lille’s win over Montpellier #LOSC

    From twitter. Could just be Lille covering their backs though

  • 88 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    It will be interesting to see if anyone tries to defend catchy here. No excusing that behaviour, doesn’t matter if you are positive/negative/whatever, the point is we all want the same thing and that is Newcastle doing well. Never should a Newcastle fan utter the words ‘I’m sad we won’ or I wish we lost or whatever. Just pathetic.

  • 89 Dannyo // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:28 PM

    @Tsunki
    It’s not looking unlikely tho is it?
    Altho, i hate to make this saga drag on once again…

  • 90 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    Oh btw, Catchy – you have been found out to be a man of no credibility, the line is finally crossed where you actually voice losing as a preferential outcome in order to furnish your own tiny selfish and now obsolete agenda. Do everyone a favour and comment on football alone or if you want to moan about a grey-haired supremo go watch the Hobbit again.

  • 91 Dannyo // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:29 PM

    @nufc90
    Or could be that they were not happy with his quotes, which is what i find most likely.

  • 92 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    You know you’ve fecked up when even your ghost is ashamed of you.

  • 93 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    Some people are forgetting, Cisse had a good spell as a striker this season & he was pish.

  • 94 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:30 PM

    Dannyo – dont kid me you love it really…..

  • 95 JP...from The Rock // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Credit when credit is due and Shola saved our bacon today with a BRILLIANT FIRST CLASS STRIKE. I bet we’ve all questioned whether he had it in him and what Sir Bobby saw in this lad but he showed it today that’s for sure. I am glad that he’s improved on his game and that must be down to Pardew. I have never been more impressed by Ameobi than I have been with him under Pardew’s tenure. He is getting better with age, just like wine :) Shame he is now old but I hope he passes his experience to his young brother Sammy so he can have a head start.

    It’s between Ameobi and Obertan the MoM award. Obertan was immense also, always looking a threat and tracking back, was everywhere and had some very nice touches out on the wing where he beat his man a few times.

    Hopefully this is the start of our climb up the table.

    HWTL

  • 96 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Cisse has played most of his games this season as a striker and has how many goals?

  • 97 Blaydon-Toon // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:31 PM

    Anyone for my trivia tonight ? A B C are the initials of our scorers this season who will break the sequence ? I’m going for Oba !

  • 98 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    I agree with tsunki and all them big words hes using.

  • 99 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    You know you’ve messed up when even your ghost is ashamed of you.

  • 100 nufc90 // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:32 PM

    Dannyo exactly mate and I can’t see them publicly saying he’s been dropped it’d surely drive the price down.
    I’m actually quite optimistic for this window hope we sign a few.

  • 101 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    ghost

    i think what everyone is saying (me, at least) is that cisse works in a 433 or as a lone striker. that’s how Freiburg played as well (saw a lot of the bundesliga here in Hungary)

    quite evident Ba is hardly the team player anyhow. his selfishness has increased (ie the two wild free kicks) as i think he’s trying to show off to potential suitors. think he could care less about results as he knows he’s off

  • 102 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:33 PM

    “Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:27 PM

    Catchy you have well & truly lost the plot.. I’m you’re ghost & even i’m ashamed of you.”

    Possibly one of the best lines I have read on here haha

  • 103 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    Ghost – True but he didnt miss many if any chances did he thats because the team were not creating chances. Hatem off Cisse will bring the goals back way more than Ba and Cisse

    BTW lads dont give cacthy the attention he should be sent to coventry

  • 104 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:34 PM

    ha ha ha Matty, I got fecking soaked!! lol.

    Being honest though, there were 40,000 who boo’d when the number 9 board went up. A blind man on a gallooing horse could see he gave it everything, his hold up play was superb, won the ball back time and time again. Ba looked disinterested. Lost the ball EVERY time it was put into him. Couldn’t trap a bag of cement.

    The reaction when the board went up said it all. But as soon as he left the field, Shola got a great reception. It basically told Pards what everyone thinks. Everyone where i sit is fed up. I thought we completely bossed the game today by the way. But we just didn’t get in behind them enough, mainly because Ba is lazy and Cisse is playing right wing.

  • 105 JP...from The Rock // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    Catchy – Whatever drugs you do, either stop or change, they aren’t doing you any favours. If you don’t take drugs, then sir, you’re in deeper shite than I thought.

  • 106 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:35 PM

    *claps hands*

    Wwycd remembers how pish cisse was when he played as a striker this season. dont worry i remember it 2.sadly most on here dont.lol

  • 107 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:36 PM

    wwycd

    and how many did he score last year in a 433?

    right, right, that was 13 in 14

    do you believe it to be down to form or tactics? i personally can’t believe someone with his strike-rate throughout his career suddenly turns that bad, allthewhile coinciding with a pretty substantial shift in where and how he’s used in the team

  • 108 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:37 PM

    i’m changing my name to ghost and flying solo.that catchy geeza is giving me a bad rep.

  • 109 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    mattynufc – ill stop posting as i just keep copying your thoughts lol

    On Obertan, he showed again glimpses of his potential but he needs to do it more often and get his attitude right from from the off

  • 110 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:39 PM

    Ghost – Multiple lols allotted to your, sir!

    Sorry about the big words I really meant to say what you did but a dictionary fell on my head.

  • 111 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    hotdog

    agree about obertan

    honestly, after seeing what he brings to the team (maybe this is a dumb idea), but anyone else think he’d be worth a try at FB?

    ok, not ideal, but even if he gets beat i’d be hardpressed to find a player who he couldn’t catch up to

  • 112 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:41 PM

    I even turned ‘you’ into a bigger word (slaps forehead with palm)

  • 113 Dannyo // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:42 PM

    Ye, on Obertan, he was great for the minutes he was on.
    Not one foot wrong and he defended well and attacked well.
    Happy to seem him up and about.

  • 114 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    Ghost
    Was starting to think it was just me glad am not alone haha

    matty
    Good for Cisse he scored goals last season but hes done very little this season, he played as a striker and offered nothing (cant really blame chance creation when Ba has scored so many and he was the striker who came deep). Cisse played up top alone in Europa league and we looked toothless

    At no point have I said hes a bad player but his form is horrible, the bloke will come good again no doubt but when he was playing as a striker he stopped getting into good positions and when he made runs he was constantly offside (something which has plagued him all of his career)

  • 115 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:43 PM

    JP @103 – if he aint taking them, maybe its time he started?

  • 116 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:44 PM

    Could be confidence with cisse. could be tactics. i believe he’s got a well known condition that effects strikers who come to england. second season syndrome.

  • 117 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM

    matty – not for me id much rather see Colo there and two new CB one that is bloody quick

  • 118 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:47 PM

    hotdog

    that may not be a bad idea, pending we get two GOOD CHs

    colo is looking increasingly worrying to me

  • 119 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:48 PM

    if cisse was scoring loads of goals this season (like last season) he would be playing as a striker and ba would be on the left.
    thats a big fat fact for you all.

  • 120 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    Matty
    Aye he had a great season last term
    So did hernandez in his first season along with
    Andy carroll!
    Not saying cisse is one season wonder but just because a player had a good half season last term doesn’t mean they will the next

  • 121 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:50 PM

    So last season when Cisse scored almost a goal a game, in a half season run that cant be labelled a fluke, what made it go right for him?

    He is probably a ‘perfect’ striker that relies on and expects perfect service. I believe that exists in our fully fit team. With Cisse restored to his proper position, with a commanding attacking midfield, quick interchanging passes and someone spotting his runs as he makes them he will be transformed.

    I will wait until after January to see what happens, but Cisse is still that player, something about the team around him has changed.

  • 122 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:52 PM

    So if Ba goes in Jan you guys are saying Cisse is a waste of £8mill now? Of course he’s not, we aint playing to his strengths simple. I agree he gets caught offside way too much but watch his reactions when he is in the box, he is quick in his head when in the box he comes alive in there not on the fooking wing.

  • 123 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:54 PM

    Tsunki
    The thing thats changed is that our midfield has been a shambles this season luckily anita is really coming into it now

  • 124 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:54 PM

    Toothless in Europa League? And how many of our first 11 played in those games? Also, when Cisse played there, it was blatantly obvious that Ba was refusing to pass to him. If you missed that then you must have had your eyes closed.

    As others have said though, his record is phenomenal. Shearer had lean spells, and he is the best centre forward I have seen. Don’t recall anyone putting him on the wing though. He is our number 9 and wants to be here. Pardew’s treatment of him has been shocking. Maybe if he spits the dummy out, refuses to play etc, he will get what he wants?

    That won’t happen though. Despite his frustration he will only ever do his very best for the team.

    My main gripe though, is that Ba played left side last season, scored 0 goals in 4 months. Got nothing but praise from Pardew. This season Cisse is doing it, grafted his hardest, but gets nothing but criticism from the manager. Am i missing something here?

    Gutted I am. Cisse, Marveaux, and others will all leave eventually. Players I love to watch. And the crap will remain.

  • 125 WWYCD // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    Anyway lads am off good chatting with u all and a damn fine 3 points today

    Have a good un

  • 126 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:55 PM

    Tsunki – Spot on

  • 127 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    Ghost of Catchy.

    You utter fool. Pardew stated pre season that Ba would play as a central striker for 90% of games this season. That’s a big fat fact for you.

    You really are the ghost of catchy. You both talk sh1te.

  • 128 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    I am beginning to entertain thoughts that Pardews tactical style may after all be ‘ruining’ certain players. Jonas has definitely suffered as a covering wing/Left Back protecting first Raylor then a fledgling Santon. Cisse has been marginalised by a neutered midfield decimated by injury and suspension and bypassed by the enthusiastic yet inept attacking wing play of Santon and Simpson. Oh and of Course the interference of Ba, occupying the same runs and positions he tries to play in.

    Add to this the cautious reticence to blood players who seem to everyone to be ready to be used, but seem to be kept on the sidelines, played in reserves indefinitely or confined to low-grade euro group games.

    I am telling you all again, If after January we have a couple of new faces, HBA, Cbas and Saylor back and we still cant buy a win against Norwich at home, I am leaving O.V. The glassware is already boxed.

  • 129 Dannyo // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    @Tsunki & WWYCD
    Looking back at last season, Cisse worked allot harder and often came as deep as Ba.
    Cisse isn’t strong enough to be the striker alone up top waiting for those high balls.
    He needs to be played into it, and that’s how he got his goals last season.
    This year he’s been waiting and hanging up top waiting for the sweet and easy ball to put in. (Fergy crosses)

    But, one can tell that his workrate is increasing along with the team, and he is looking better and more awake, and he did good today i thought, holding the ball well and not losing it so easily like he normally does.

    I think he needs to come slightly deeper, he hangs around the offside trap too much, and his vision isn’t all that great to do so.

  • 130 hotdog // Dec 22, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    Im off too. Christ MOD with a win :-)

  • 131 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM

    haha

    ba refusing to pass to cisse, ive heard it all now.
    always someone elses fault.never cisses fault. open you’re eyes hes had plenty of chances at striker this season and hasn’t cut the mustard.he’s either really low on confidence or he’s got second season syndrome.

  • 132 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:00 PM

    SSN Sturridge to have medical at the bindippers tomos
    So thats one heavily linked team out the running for demba
    And really cant see him fitting in at arsenal like

  • 133 check the toastie // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    I think it is clear catchy would sooner see small loss now for a greater future, i agree with his sentiments, anything to get Pardew out the club.

    His stubborn and stupid team selections over the length of his management of this great club is embarrassing, i honestly believe he has no idea what he is doing, in fact he looks to Carver and Stone constantly, think Carver is telling him to pick Jonas because he is ‘a good trainer’.

    The team is held back by 2 players in the main, (Jonas/Simpson) currently the ball goes to them and any momentum the team has stops dead.

    Jonas has been terrible for over 12 months, his contribution is nil and people who defend him are truly clueless, god knows how Santon looks so good having to carry him through games.

    Simpson is the luckiest pro footballer is the history of the PL, to have played for our great club, oh my god, he is a sunday league footballer, his career will nose dive into the lower leagues after he leaves the Toon.

    Special little mention for Pardew who seems intent on totally destroying Cisse as a centre forward, what a total F@@cking bellend, Ba has been terrible for weeks, his movement is laboured, he plays for himself and his link up a total non event.

    Todays game was sad, however so predictable. Looking forward to a couple of footballing lessons over the festive period.

    Pardew has crushed my spirit with his brand of totally ineffectual, defensive, cautious, cross his fingers brand of football.

    SACK PARDEW PLEASE.

  • 134 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:03 PM

    Ghost, do you go to games? Just wondering as if you did you would know what all of our supporters have witnessed. Ba is exceptionally greedy and especially with Cisse.

    Last season his resentment when Papiss was scoring was obvious.

  • 135 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:04 PM

    and you’re point is sir toon gospel???

    we played loads of games this season 4-4-2 Cisse & Ba together. Cisse that great he was given the hook at half time.

  • 136 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:05 PM

    tads @120 that is precisely what has happened. Look at the games we have played with a full first midfield, not an awful lot. I think when Cabs and Hatem come back, with Anita on Nitro and no Demba, there will be some fire in midfield.

  • 137 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:06 PM

    Haha I knew Check would defend catchy. Where is rotonda? Shouldn’t he be defending him as well?

    Get real. The guys a joke. If you agree with him, and are upset that we won and would rather we lost then you are a joke aswell.

  • 138 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:07 PM

    Yes i do sir toon gospel and ba is no greadier than shearer was,or any other striker for that matter. all strikers are greedy.

  • 139 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    Check…………..well said.

    Yoiur sentiment is the same as thousands at our games. I don’t wish for anyone to lose their jobs, and keep wishing that PArds would see sense, but it just never happens.

    I hope that there is a ploy to sell Ba and finance the moves he wants to get us playing good football. If not then I am truly fed up.

  • 140 Dannyo // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    @check
    You’re just a broken down a record as Catchy.
    An embarrassment to the club and its supporters. Take your opinions elsewhere, they’re full of bull.

  • 141 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    check – credibility nose dive supporting the lamentable catchy. Shame as some of your points are good. Apart of course from your opinion supposedly rendering others clueless. Bravo.

    And btw, santon is only as good as he has got because of Jonas.

  • 142 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    but to say that ba doesnt pass to cisse is a complete joke mate. the guy is selfish (like most strikers) but not that f**** selfish.

    im taking my ball and im going home !!

  • 143 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    tsunki

    i’ll be waiting on the other side of January :D

  • 144 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:11 PM

    Dannyo :)

    Sirtoon
    Ah i see the resentment now i couldnt see it at first…..
    http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20120205/15/206816880-05022012155112.jpg

  • 145 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    Human Catchy has lost the plot,a disgrace to the name.

  • 146 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:13 PM

    Ghost of catchy
    Didnt ba slip cisse through on goal today? Nearly a freat moce but hust a touch heavy from ba but i imagine that was deliberate

  • 147 Tsunki // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:14 PM

    Matty – I like a size 15 pitchfork, good quality one with a non-slip rubber grip. Dont forget the flaming torches, long-burn type.

  • 148 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:14 PM

    Ghost, then you will have seen that the 4-4-2 consisted of a Midfield of Tiote, Jonas, and either Perch/Bigi etc most of the time. HBA and Cabaye have been in and out of the team, and only recently Anita has been in an advanced role.

    We essentially operated with 3 defensive midfield players out of 4, so resorted to long ball football, Willo and Simmo hoofing it up to Ba. The stats showed we played more long ball passes than any other team in the league after 15 games.

    The ONLY player it benefitted was Ba. Cisse looked average because we created very little in behind the other teams which is where he operates.

    Also, he is playing with the huge burden of the shirt on his back. To be number 9 is a massive pressure.

  • 149 check the toastie // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:15 PM

    Conaldo – do you see any future success at NUFC with Pardew in charge? if so, why?

    Are you confident we will beat Brighton in the cup? Remember Pardew has recided over FA Cup loses to Stevenage and Brighton already.

    In Fact can anybody tell me why Pardew has convinced them that he is taking the club forward, the only person i credit is Graham Carr by giving him players that can do enough inspite of Pardews coaching.

    The man is worried and clearly doesnt know how to get the best from his technical players.

  • 150 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Sirtoon@145
    So then basically it was the right thing to play ba because we havent had the personel to play an attacking 433

  • 151 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    ba didnt pass to cisse today,it didnt happen you must be mistaken.the ball hit of demba and found its way to cisse by mistake and cisse fluffed the chance because pardew told him not to score.

  • 152 OhSholaAmeobi // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:17 PM

    Stop the Ba bashing seriously. No evidence whatsoever to say he’s off other than the crap talks**** and the papers come out with, he’s our best striker, he’s scored 11 goals this season, he works tirelessly for the team. Never noticed any selfish behaviour from him, only the 2 free-kicks he wasted today were poor.
    Jonas was also far better today but i’d still drop him out of our team for marveaux. Guess he’ll have to play at old trafford anyhow.

  • 153 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    OhSholaAmeobi
    Well said mate and in all fairness how many set pieces in total have cabs n benny wasted this season but ppl dont get on at them because theres no media circus around them

  • 154 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    TADS – a photo from the Aston Villa game …….. congratulations. Cisse’s first game for us. No photos from when Ba was hooked last year, or the times when Cisse scored and Ba didn’t even crack a smile?

    And i find it hilarious that because he passed once today, that he is suddenly a team player? You’ve gotta laugh.

    And as for Shearer being selfish, he was the best I have ever seen at holding the ball up and bringing others into play.

  • 155 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    you’re flogging a dead horse sir toon. I call a spade a spade.
    cisse has been pish this season even when up top.without ba’s goals this season we would be sitting in the bottom 3 no doubt about it.

  • 156 mattyNUFC // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:23 PM

    tsunki

    neoprene dipped. we mean business.

  • 157 Spreadthetoon // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:23 PM

    Ohsholaameobi

    Reckon Cisse would score more in the middle than Ba IMO. Rather than play conflict football I think you rotate between the two of them or you play HBA/ Marv/ Obertan/ Remy supporting the two strikers. Cisse gets no support and I am sick and tired of it. If it was a choice between Cisse or Pardew I know who I would choose. Do you…?

  • 158 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    Sirtoon
    There are many pics like that from all last season and this season from when demba scores they are always the first to celebrate with each other
    Also wasnt it a ba through ball to cisse that lead to the pen against wigan? Or a little pass across for his chance vs citeh?
    And about the one paddy ba had when subbed last season how is that different from cisse’s wobbler today

  • 159 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    Ghost, why spend £9 million on a finisher, promptly watch him take the league by storm, create a deadly team, especially on the counter attack, where we dismantled teams, finish the season superbly, and then abandon everything that was good about us last season?

    None of it makes sense to me. We were flying and he has taken a huge backward step. I don’t know why, and there are others who feel the same way.

  • 160 check the toastie // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    Not to be too much of a scrooge, i would like to say even with the handicap of having Pardew as manager, once we get BenArfa and Cabaye back and if Simpson and Jonas somehow mysteriously disappear off the face of the earth, we have a decent football team on paper.

    And first half today there was an effort to throw the ball out at all times by Krul, (obviously until Shola came on) which was quite novel.

    The game changed when Jonas was took off, anybody who said he had a good first half must be on space dust, he has lost it, those floaty swingy crosses will harm no team.

    By the way Dannyo you are such a good supporter, i wish i could be like you, what a great guy, apologies for wanting the club to strive for success instead of accepting bad selections and no hope going forward with a rank bad journeyman manager.

    Some supporters continue to be happy with Mike Ashley’s ‘business’ model. Not me, preferred it when folk lit fires in the gallowgate and had a voice, appears some would prefer folk not to speak out against some of the shit spouted and served up.

  • 161 Spreadthetoon // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:33 PM

    Sirtoongospel

    Well said that man – a man of truth

  • 162 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    TADS, the paddy was exactly the same. But i will tell you the difference.

    Last season we were winning. Now we aren’t.

    When we were winning, everyone appreciated Ba’s sacrifice. This season we aren’t and Cisse gets the blame. I think it stinks. It’s my opinion, and I am entitled to it?

    The team arent winning. Today we played a QPR team as bad as anything I have seen in the last few years. We sneaked a 1-0 win. What we are doing, formations included, is not working!!

    I have siad it before, I would rather Papiss was on the bench than on the wing. But I see the players we have and wonder why we are so negative and lacking ideas when we go forward? Our best footballers with Cisse up front would react quicker, create more chances etc. Again, only my opinion but I think it is a valid one.

  • 163 obatoyou // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:38 PM

    Ashley is awesome dude what u on about

  • 164 check the toastie // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:39 PM

    I think people are missing the point regards Ba spitting his dummy out last year and now comparing it with Cisse.

    Ba spat his dummy whilst we were in the middle of an excellent winning run, playing 433, and Cisse shared nearly as much of the workload out wide, Cisse is playing wide right now whilst the team is playing shite, he was clearly better than Ba today and last week, working twice as hard, he gets subbed, it was a mistake for me.

    Ba was thinking about himself when he spat his dummy, Cisse is thinking that he could do a job through the middle if given the opportunity and thus help the team, he hasnt been given that opportunity since Everton away.

    No comparison Cisse = super team player, Ba = Selfish mercenary.

  • 165 YorkshiresFinestGeordie // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Anyone know how Anita played today, really starting to like this lad and Walsh what position did he play

  • 166 check the toastie // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:43 PM

    Thought Obertan and Marveuax were excellent today when they came on and both should be given a decent run in the team.

    They both pose a threat, something we are sadly lacking with Pardrips current first choice eleven.

  • 167 check the toastie // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Anita was good, cracking little player. wil play great with Cabaye.

  • 168 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Sirtoon
    What? Who the hell has said it’s cisse’s fault that were loosing? Its not cisse fault its not ba’s fault they dont pick the team but they play where there pucked to play you cant blame ba for cisse playing 5 games RW

    Check
    Cisse was better than ba today but no chance he last week

  • 169 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Anita was his usual excellent self. Work rate phnomenal again and he is a top top player.

  • 170 check the toastie // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:45 PM

    Anyway going to bed, hopefully will have a dream were Pardrip actually plays an attack minded team.

    SACK PARDEW.

  • 171 check the toastie // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    TADS – yes he was. Just wind your neck in, Ba has been cack for a while.

  • 172 Spreadthetoon // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    Anita is our most consistent and best player at the moment and a 1st choice for me everytime.

    Really hope that Obertan and Marveaux get to start with both Cisse and Ba playing central this time….then we’ll be able to see what their true prospects are….surely.

  • 173 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    LOL
    Has anyone seen a ref look more scared than the fella just after sending off carlton cole!!!

  • 174 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    Check
    Wind my neck in just cos i think ba played better than cisse against city?
    What a tool

  • 175 Toon Tang // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    anichebe’s scouse accent never fails to give me a chuckle . i always look out for it especially and im sure the interviewers pick him out especially

  • 176 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    TADS, he has had loads of stick and even the manager is making him the fall guy. The “if he doesn’t score in the next 2 games Shola is waiting” comment is an absolute joke.

    Pardew has favoured Ba all season, and he can’t justify it as the results have shown he is wrong.

    If we were consistently winning then I would hold my hands up. But we aren’t. The players we have are good players. So where is the problem? Please tell me if you think Pardew has got it bang on this season? I think he has ruined us. The personnel can change from week to week. It has to, injuries and suspensions, tiredness etc says it has to. But the system that suits us best has to remain. We havent played to OUR strengths at any point this season. We set up to stop other teams, regardless of how poor they are. We have lost games we should have won because of the tactics.

  • 177 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:01 PM

    Sirtoon
    I no longer know the point your trying to make mate first this was ba’s fault, then we’re all saying its cisse’s fault, then its not us saying it, its pardew, then the reason cisse isn’t scoring at the start of the season is because we dont have the personel, now its arguing about pards tactics?
    Mate no ones saying we have played great football this season or that pardew has set the team up properly
    My arguement was you can’t drop a player who’s drilled in 11 goals already just because he might not be here in February but some how we’ve spiralled miles off track!!

  • 178 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:02 PM

    Lukaku seems like a mature lad. Sensible comments there.

  • 179 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:02 PM

    Pardew is clueless. He gives Cisse the ultimatum that he has to score in the next 2 games then Pards plays him right wing & subs him off early, what a joke. Do you think any other manager in the PL would play Cisse wide right ? , I highly doubt it

  • 180 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:03 PM

    Toon tang
    Its spookely squeaky!

  • 181 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM

    Well if you have listed them then you know exactly what my points are.

    Ba is selfish, not a team player.
    Pardew abandoned the system from last season – why?
    Cisse has had stick from posters on here and also the manager, or have i been hallucinating?
    When Pardew played Cisse up front briefly, his midfield was very very negative.

    Theya re my points. I didn’t realise I only had to pick one and keep the rest to myself. But seeing as you want me to just have one, I will say that Pardew has favoured Ba, because of his strops (and his agents threats) and it has spoiled us as a team.

    You have stuck up for Ba, and I have stuck up for Cisse. For a few weeks now we have disagreed. I don’t expect you to change your mind, but neither will I.

    I spend thousands every year following the team I love. And i don’t like what I am watching.

  • 182 t00ntime // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    Simmo played a good game today imo. Didnt have to do much defending wise but didnt mind going forward. He just needs ben arfa to teach how to make half a yard lol, cause every cross seems to be blocked (which wudnt be bad if we could sttack set peices”

    Jonas isnt as bad as lots say, yes we could of put marv/gab on but AP didnt know QPR wud defend all game did he? If QPR attacked more jonas wud of been an asset to help defend. AP realised (like we all did) that QPR was going to defend all game so he put an attacking player on. Nothing wrong with starting jonas atm imo. Our defence cant be left on its own, santon+williamson are quite weak defensively (santon normally cause he is caught forward).

    AP made good subs i agree with all3 only one i wud change is ba instead of cisse BUT i fully inderstand why AP did it. Ba plays average most games but is normally still the man to find the net. So naturally when looking for goals you go for the one who scores them. (even though cisse was playin better, he has played good quite a few times this season yet failed to find the net.)

    And AP fired? Why because we are having a rough patch? I bet you wud want wenger fired (if u were a arsenal fan). Look at chelsea, di matteo had a bad patch, fired straight away, new manager came in. And hasnt done any better at all, they shud of stuck with di matteo. Even most sunderland fans want to keep MoN during this bad patch. Stop complaining and give pards time to fix it. Last 3/4 games we have been getting better. We even Out passed city

  • 183 t00ntime // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:16 PM

    Omg… Cant believe all the people crying about cisse playing RW. We played 4-4-2 and 90% cried about ba and cisses partnership. Now your crying about cisse playing RW.
    U say which other manager wud play cisse rw? Ur right in current form he wud be sitting on the bench… 11goals in 18 games or 1 goal in like 14, any manager wud choose ba. Cisse is out of form, ba inform. Simple decsion

  • 184 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:17 PM

    t00ntime

    I know what you are saying with mid players looking after defenders, but the type of goals we concede from, balls over the top, and crosses, means that they can’t really help them where it counts. So we are basically sacrificing our attacking flair to help a defence that can’t be helped!

    I would rather we attacked than played it safe, especially against a team as poor as QPR, and when we are at home. Pards is showing no ambition at the moment.

    I hope he can change it, but every week it is the same.

  • 185 Spreadthetoon // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:21 PM

    AP goes on about stats but the only stats that count at the end of day is the scoreline…..FACT

    Yes we are playing better which is the only reason I am not calling for Pardews head to roll but he has a limited shelf life in my opinion should he not have the strength and character to do so……personally I hope he does turn things round and gets the team playing like they did last season but we’ve got a long long way to go…..
    Question?: why has it taken some 14 games for us to play with some fluidity and pass along the ground when everyone could see what was at fault? Yes I do question his selections and yes I do question his formations? If I didn’t then I’d just be a total lemming.
    Pardews got great players but he has to play players to their strenghts….if he keeps banging on 4-4-2 then I’m gonna bang on about Marv and Obertan as starters….it’s logical…play players to their strengths….and FFS stop playing Cisse on the wing…play him as a striker on his own or with Ba but not on the wing and then give him an ultimatum…..that’s bad for morale and bad management IMO!

  • 186 t00ntime // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    @sirtoon i know what u mean, but AP cant really do much else. I feel marv is a better sub than starter and obertan was just back from injury.
    Will be intresting to see what happens on boxing day

  • 187 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    Spreadthetoon,

    agree with you. Our football was awful for months. It has improved but only recently. He has to prove he can get it right.

    Cisse has been mooted as a one season wonder, is Pardew one too?

    And your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it. I am not happy with his decisions and his selections. I voice concerns on here, but at the game I never stop singing.

    I am not a poor fan, I am not disloyal. I am just frustrated at our backward steps.

  • 188 nick_9 // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    AP – “I have the beauty of seeing these players in training, and so, have more knowledge than the fans.”

    Agreed Alan you do see the players in training but correct me if I’m wrong you don’t play an opponent for premier league points in training do you? Or have 50,000 fans watching your every move? If someone is putting a shift in during training then well done, if they’re then doing nothing during the game questions need to be asked. What happens on Matchday is most important as that’s when it matters. We did good today, wasn’t the greatest of games and I thought it was heading for 0:0 but shola of all people pops up, it was only a few seasons back I wanted rid.

  • 189 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    @ Toontime

    So Pardew should have the common sense to drop Cisse then. He offers nothing on the wing and might as well be on the bench if he is going to play there. The only thing we have not tried is Ben Arfa in the hole behind the Demba’s but for some reason Pardew thinks it is going to just magicly click. In training the 3 things I would work on is

    1. Passing on the floor and distribution from the back 5

    2. Set pieces

    3. Ba & Cisse’s partnership.

    Its not rocket science

  • 190 sirtoongospel // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    Boxing day I am gonna get absolutely smashed with the drink., I expect a defeat, as Man U are very strong. Will probably put my usual £20 on a 3-1 win though!! lol.

    The arsenal game though is there to win. As is the Everton one. 4 points from 3 games and we will be looking up.

    Anyway, goodnight lads.

  • 191 Spreadthetoon // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:33 PM

    Sirtoongospel

    Completely agree you get behind the team whatever on matchday. This is a blog and a forum and we’ve got the right to express our opinion and vex our frustration.

    Clearly Cisse is not a one season wonder….but why the hell play IMO one of the best strikers I’ve seen in a while one the fricking wing all the time…why spend £10M for him to play there. If AP needed a winger then he should’ve f’ing well signed one in the transfer window last…IMO
    Definitely think we need a CAM desperately…..clearly showing as an area of major weakness and yet no mention of this as an area of attention……Sissoko has got to be a main priority IMO and his said he wants to come to SJP. I only want players who are proud to wear the black and white….and if not they can jog on…

  • 192 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:37 PM

    Sir toon you could argue pardew is pandering to cisse by playing him rw instead of dropping him. ba has scored goals in every formation weve played & cisse hasnt. thats why ba is the main man up front and cisse isnt.

  • 193 Jamiemac // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:38 PM

    Getting tired of all the marveaux lovers on here. He’s had 2 good games, 1 vs 10 men and 1 ten minute cameo and all of a sudden he’s our best player? I can recall far far more games when he’s been completely anonymous. I’d start obertan any day of the week over marv

  • 194 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:41 PM

    Sirtoon
    Agreed we could argue this til old n grey but prob wont change our opinion!
    Have a good christmas mate

    Spreadthetoon
    Loyalty doesn’t exist in modern football mate just look at carroll or even stevie taylor, stevie pullef a right stunt over his wages until we said okay fine and transfer listed him!
    Whilst i agree ba has no right to be earning 100k at the toon his salary should be on par with other CF’s of his calibre and the club should be offering wages along the lines of colo’s
    This wont end with ba there are several lads who’s profile has been raised since playing in the prem, how long do you think it will be before players like cabs and benny will want there contracts re negotiating? And if they can’t get the wages they feel they shoukd be in they will look elsewhere tgats just football mate not just ba

  • 195 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    Just a quick question tho
    Benny has said if an offer came in from a “top team” he would consider a move, he went on strike to force a transfer, a bit like ba, so if benny started actively started looking for a move would it be met with the same venom ba has recieved based on media rumours?

  • 196 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:47 PM

    @ Jamie

    Yeah because Obertan has been setting the world alite like. Marveaux gets the odd start here and there whereas Obertan started about 10 games in a row last season, and I bet if Marv had that sort of playing time he would offer us a lot more than Gabby or Gutierrez

  • 197 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:48 PM

    to be fair jamie when hes played in his proper position hes done well. hes best when he plays central midfield.

  • 198 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:50 PM

    Oh and whoever said ba didn’t celebrate ameobi’s goal was talking out there ars3 the only player who walked off was marv

    Have to say anita has put in some fantastic set pieces but the whole squad dont seem to realise they have to make runs and move for corners and free kicks!!

  • 199 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:54 PM

    i just feel that some fans undervalue demba ba. and if hes sold you will all no what i mean. the guy is a proven premier league goalscorer some take it for granted on here especially.

  • 200 Spreadthetoon // Dec 22, 2012 at 11:54 PM

    TADS
    Perhaps wages are an issue for some but not all players………AP can quell an exodus but only if the owners show ambition in signing the players we need and by producing attractive football and competing for the upper echelons…currently we are not doing any of that….and tbf I believe though cannot be sure that Ba was offered same a Collo. Its very clear that Ba wants to play top 4 and CL…..he is not willing to wait…so if he wants to go then go…if not put up and shut up and change the contract…if not I am not interested in 1 player……a team is always more important than 1 player…surely after all the tripe we been put through…remember Owen, injured and all medical bills paid + high salary…where did that get us. Ba has shown medically to have a dodgy knee, it will go at some point and there’s no way I want another Owen / Xisco or other alike at our club again…ever

  • 201 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    Spread
    You cant knock the bloke for having ambition mate
    All players want CL football and players like cisse cabaye benny tiote etc are no different
    Truth is if we as club don’t learn how to handle with the ego’s of top players we won’t keep top players and just won’t progress as a club
    For me its little to do with pards or ba, of course pardew will play him ba is a resource available to him on matchday and a good one at that, ba wants to play centrally to prove his worth to the club or prospective employers
    This whole situation tests on the board to sort out no one else, ba will have agents no doubt but the board need to make there position clear to him about what he’s offered

  • 202 Luke-A-Like // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:07 AM

    Ba needs to sign a new contract or leave…he’s been holding the club to ransom for too long. He is a great player and will be missed but if he doesn’t love the club and wants a stupid wage the sell him, and i hope that he gets the worst treatment when returning to SJP with his new club (probably Arsenal) because he will have shown absolutely no loyalty whatsoever

  • 203 Spreadthetoon // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:08 AM

    TADS
    I believe the board have made him an offer…he doesn’t want it…so he should go…its too detrimental to the team, the club and fans alike.
    I do not knock Ba, he’s been a great service and I wish him well but I cannot support his inability to be flexible. Look at Anita, the lad plays his heart out and plays wherever he is asked. Ba get his agents to do his dirty work…IMO for the greater good of the team and not BA,….he should leave if that’s what he wants. The same was with RVP and Arsenal…Wenger had no choice and IMO did the right thing to let him go.

  • 204 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:14 AM

    Spread
    Anita filled in during a desperate time cos simmo was injured but it was well documented that he seeked assurances to make sure his primary role was in CM
    All players have agents to do there dirty work thats just modern football
    I have no doubt the board have offered hom a contract but i highly doubt its a fair contract to match his abilities

  • 205 Jamiemac // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    I’m not saying he wouldn’t perform given a run of games because nobody knows that. Basing my opinion on previous performances I would have Obertan ahead of Marv because Marv is too inconsistent whereas Obertan puts in a decent shift every game.

  • 206 Spreadthetoon // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:22 AM

    TADS
    The lads got a well documented medical history that regrettably does not bode well for the fella. The last thing I want is a £90/£100K a week contract for a player who under no fault of his own could go at any time….sorry but I don’t care how many goals they bang in.
    Cisse is no.9 and the future of the club so surely we should be building up his confidence and building a team around his abilities.
    If Ba stays it’ll be the same next summer…there is no stability in that contract… that’s the board’s fault…but we are where we are…I again stand by the fact that I would rather have a player who is 100% committed to the club than one who is not…you’ve got to see my point on this surely…the greater good…our team. Don’t get me wrong I’ll be sad if he goes but that’s football and in many ways I am getting to the point where I feel its probably the right thing for all parties concerned…all amicable and that. Besides which I am more concerned with the direction of the team, what AP is gonna do coz’ quite frankly in an interview I saw AP stated that we’ve played “very well” in the last 5 games. We’ve played better but we are no where near last year…hopefully that’ll come with result going our way and the addition of 3/4 very good players who can provide REAL competition for the 1st team.

  • 207 nick_9 // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:25 AM

    Why should he go because he doesn’t want to sign a deal where he cannot leave for peanuts? Some fans are happy to see him get rid of the release clause but are unable to see its about compromise. He deserves more wages, if we are unprepared to give him more wages then at least enjoy his goals whilst he is here man. He is giving his all every game ffs! have some of yous ever thought that he might have been taking more shots as we has lost 6 in 7 and were getting a bit desperate? With Cabaye and Ben arfa out and Cisse not scoring he might have felt under pressure to produce something hence the emotional interview and twitter comments about the fans feelings. Be thankful he is scoring and is giving his all even if he does want to leave, most players cause havoc to force a move yet only Pardew is mentioning the clause not Ba. I can’t believe what some of you are blaming Ba for with no evidence whatsoever, seems very ungrateful and you can all predict cisse will start scoring again if Ba leaves but nobody knows for definite.

  • 208 AwToonnufc // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:28 AM

    Was happy with the three points today, but still don’t understand Pardew’s tactics a lot of the time, fair enough he brought Shola on and he got the goal, but why is Jonas still starting, i’d love to see his stats this season, his passing is shocking, his pace has gone and he’s not doing much defensively. Marveaux was on the pitch for about 15 mins set up one goal and nearly scored another. Blatant favouritism he needs to look whats best for the team.

  • 209 nick_9 // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:30 AM

    Marveaux and Obertan came on at exactly the right time, against tired legs. JOnas was given a wider role today and aside from a couple of useful balls in the rest left a lot to be desired, he tried i give him that but his better days are behind him and i would rather he left on a good note. Cisse today was far to deep for a striker and ineffective where he was, he isnt a winger so dont play him as one. May as well play one striker if you’re gonna play cisse there, no point at all.

  • 210 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:34 AM

    Nick9
    Agree 100%

    spreadthetoon
    Once again though your basing the whole thing on speculation there’s no evidence he wants 100k anywhere
    And his well documented nedical history isn’t actually that well documented, its an argued failed medical at stoke yet he’s passed a medical everywhere else and has absolute zero injury history the lad barely misses a game

  • 211 Spreadthetoon // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:35 AM

    nick-9
    No one is ungrateful for the services he has provided for the club…but take the very possible scenario that NUFC agree his wage demands…then he’s out….full stop. Then you would be moaning on about how could the club have made a move. The board have made an offer…an improved offer…he does want that. That’s fair enough he’s free to go. I find it fickle when the same people defend Ba’s actions or his agents and then bang on about Simpson.
    No one disagrees that Ba’s been great for the club…but you cannot look at things in isolation….you can take a horse to water but you cannot make it drink…..so if players do not want to stay they can go….if they stay then they should be more accommodating to their team mates…simples!

  • 212 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM

    Spread
    So how is cisse being more accomodating to his team mates because it seems we expect ba to be the only player to shut up and move where we tell him and offer little to him in return other than “local pride”

  • 213 Spreadthetoon // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    TADS
    I think were talking about semantics on his wage figure…the bottom line is the board have made an improved offer…Ba regrettably is not interested in that offer…..now none of us know what that offer is so I think it unwise to speculate how fair or good that offer is. All I know is that when a player talks about another club…context or not….they’re angling for a move…fair enough.

  • 214 nick_9 // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:45 AM

    Simpson is entirely different, he wants more money when most fans are unhappy with his contribution. Ba is one of the leagues most lethal strikers, one of seven players in the premier league history to have made 50+ appearances and have a ratio of one in two. He is producing the business yet fans try to say he is counter productive to the rest of the team. Explain to me how he is liable for Tiote giving away a sloppy pass? individual defensive errors? unbalanced midfield? cisse not scoring when i could give you several examples of him setting cisse up for him to mess it up? Fans are being very nasty towards a very productive player for us all because they fear he might leave us. Our teams flaws do not lay at the feet of a striker who they think is being greedy, ba isnt making cisse play out wide, Pardew is because he thinks that is whats best. There are no certainties that remy or any other forward (cisse included) will produce the business if Ba leaves yet we do know that Ba has a very good record of scoring. Its another risk if you ask me, im not arguing with you mate. Just a little miffed with a few choices made at the club and some comments on here.

  • 215 Spreadthetoon // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:45 AM

    Well in my opinion “local pride” and a 50,000+ loyal base is a massive thing……….we are an attractive club with the best fans t’boot.
    Do you want players who want to stay or players who are not happy playing the black and white irrespective of their abilities.
    No one is forcing Ba’s hand…he’s a free agent…in my opinion actions speak louder than words…so in my humble opinion…yes I do feel that Ba wants to go…if that’s the case then he should.
    As for Cisse, he’s shown to interlink with Ba more than vice versa…that’s a statistical fact. Cisse has played out wide most season…remember Ba has not played out wide since Everton….coincide…I think not…again actions speak louder than words….and don’t say well its the manager thing…coz that’s just a easy liner to take…surely?

  • 216 stuart no9 // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:47 AM

    Just a quiery chaps , What right did cisse have to act like a petulant little snotty nose kid when he got subbed ? Also the booing from the fans when he went off is totally over my head can anyone explain???

  • 217 Transfer Sage // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    Stuart

    Think the fans were booing cisse going off…they wanted him to stay on as many don’t regard ameobi good enough to come on.

    Maybe they thought pardew was Ron too defensive

  • 218 nick_9 // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    Stuart the booing seemed to be at the decision to sub cisse as everyone soon sang his name. I didnt quite understand it myself as he is out of form and shola was firing them in before the game. Did not see cisse react but is this not his first game being subbed in a while? imagine the uproar if that was Ba kicking off at being subbed.

    Spread – We have no evidence to suggest Ba isnt happy or doesnt want to stay. Arsenal play attractive football that the fans want to see – correct, so do barca, swansea etc etc.

  • 219 Spreadthetoon // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:51 AM

    Nick-9
    I feel frustrated with some choices made, as does TADS and I think most people of here. I get where you are coming from.
    Yes there is no gtee that Cisse or anyone else will perform that’s true…but this whole situation is far too disruptive. I’m not saying for Ba to f off, but if he wants to go I would prefer for him to do so than go through this every transfer window….sorry but that’s the way I feel. If he wants to stay then he can take the £7.5 mill clause out with the option for him to renew on a yearly basis but to go through this mid -season especially given our form is not fair to him, to the fans or the club.

  • 220 nick_9 // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:57 AM

    Spread i am with you on that. Any player who does not want to stay can go, but whilst they are giving their all i will remain appreciative (not saying you aren’t). We know every window what to expect with the release clause so i dont know why we get worked up, the press are full of rubbish. Liverpool are signing sturridge and even though his record is great im not so sure i can see Arsenal wanting to sign Ba, who knows? I honestly believe Ba wants to stay but wants an improved deal, the clause is just a bartering chip but we agreed to it

  • 221 Ghost Of Catchy // Dec 23, 2012 at 12:58 AM

    Most of the Cisse lovers seem to ignore the fact that Cisse has still been getting chances to score when playing rw and he never scores.

  • 222 Spreadthetoon // Dec 23, 2012 at 1:01 AM

    Yeah we did agree to that bartering chip and boy has it been costly and unsettlin’ for everyone associated with the club….guess you can thank DL/MA for that shrewd bit of business…LOL
    Lets hope we can turn the corner get some points between now and the window and sign some excellent competitive players who are going to challenge for the 1st team….competition for places is healthy and I am struggling to think of anywhere on the pitch where that is occurring other than Bigi and Tiote. Hey how lad have a good Crimbo fella no doubt we’ll be have more debates in the coming season! HWTL

  • 223 nick_9 // Dec 23, 2012 at 1:06 AM

    The most annoying thing is that fans are now starting to make a choice between the two as though they cannot play together, this comes at a time when they have started to link up more and more so do not give up hope. We know Ba is better in the air and we know Cisse likes it at his feet, you put hba and anita near those two strikers and surely we are bound to get goals? I thought we signed Anita as a defensive midfielder but looking at his play he is actually very creative at times and links up play very well. Then we have Cabaye and Marveaux who are techincial and our nutter in tiote.

    Today when Pardew put Anita on the right it showed straight away how playing out of positiopn can make you look bad, Anita looked great in the middle but lost on the wing, same with cisse. Cisse can hold it up well on the wing but he rarely gets a shooting opportunity from their.

  • 224 Spreadthetoon // Dec 23, 2012 at 1:12 AM

    Nick -9
    Quick one as I’m gonna go now …but agree Cisse is lost out on that wing which is why I am very excited at the prospect of Remy.
    Anita is a star and does his best anywhere…..IMO Simpson great as he is as a RB he’s no RWB and it shows. We’re dead weak on that side and has to be a priority. Imagine Remy and Debuchy, Yanga Mbwia in CB and Sissoko as CAM and we really could be cooking! Seriously…..we were so close to a dream team last summer just needed the board to see that…really do pray we get at least 3 of these 4 players and if we got all 4 I’d be happy as!

  • 225 nick_9 // Dec 23, 2012 at 1:16 AM

    We arent far off having an excellent eleven and i hope we can get those players over the line to give us a good push. e are back in reaching distance of the top ten and after that its pretty open, next two games are tricky so we could be a good few points off again come 2013 but a few additions should give us a good lift.

    All the best

  • 226 Novocastrian66 // Dec 23, 2012 at 1:26 AM

    I’m Shola’s biggest critic, but fair play to the man today, that goal was a class finish. It could be worth £60m at the end of the season.
    He has made my Christmas.
    Happy Christmas to you all.

  • 227 stuart no9 // Dec 23, 2012 at 1:30 AM

    i think privately cisse will be gutted we won today.it came at his expense and his ego will be massively dented.not a big pards fan but he definatly made the move of the match today cisse off shola on , game won.

  • 228 Newcastle for alltid // Dec 23, 2012 at 1:46 AM

    Over the past few seasons I’ve never been gutten when Shola has been introduced. He brings a presence to the field, one that Cissè can’t match. Of course, I would like to see Cissè as our main man up front, but Shola really wants Newcastle to win – his mind is never set on leaving if things go wrong – like I believe Cissè and Ba’s minds are. Ameobi is Newcastle all the way through and one of the few long-time members of this squad. So for those of you who critizise him week after week for not being class, fukc off, he should be seen as a legend to stick with us after all these years instead of being called a League 2 player etc. For some of you he’s always a scapegoat if things go wrong. He has his heart in this club, something the overpaid Senegalese boys dont.

  • 229 cockneymagpie90 // Dec 23, 2012 at 2:18 AM

    My pheory on the Cisse, Ba case and why it is not gone well…. Cisse belongs infront of goal but Ba is doing well there and keeping him out, just how Cisse did it to Ba end of last season.

    Personally, i would of rotated them both in a 433 this season because of the quantity of games eg europa leauge and cup and used some more creaters eg marveaux obertan amalfitano sameobi instead of calling on STRIKERS do to a jobe out wide theyare not in there favoured position!!

    The reason why i dont think Cisse is happy and not in his best form right now is when we started this season Ba and Cisse were partnered up in a 442 but Ba was very selfish and shot at every oppotunity almost like saying im having this centre spot back! This is why when he turns the team back to 433 it doesnt give him much of a chance to score. Cisse is a proven striker, Ba has played some good games down the wing and if i were to play them both id have Ba on the wing!

    I dont like to say it but his management of this 1st half the season hasnt been great at all, lets hope he makes better decisions in the future get some players in and play good old Cisse down the middle scoring for fun and two pacey wingers down the wing.

    Ba going in jan would be a blessing.

  • 230 nufc debo // Dec 23, 2012 at 3:12 AM

    Just watched the “highlights” on football first. Ba is one greedy sod hardly passed to cisse or anyone especially when an easy one was available, more interested in getting the goals for himself. Cisse, while not setting the world alight, at least tried to pass when it was the best option available. They cannot play together, too similar in style etc so I would venture that we play cisse and shola against manure, let’s face it Ba is gone so why give him more of an opportunity to put himself in the window at the expense of the team when we should be pushing cisse as he’s gonna be here for the long-term.

    Happy crimbo to all and to all a good night

  • 231 RonVanDam // Dec 23, 2012 at 3:31 AM

    Heres a injury update on our players for those interested

    S Taylor Hamstring Injury 22nd Jan 13

    Y Cabaye Groin/Pelvis Injury Feb 13

    H Vu?ki? ACL Knee Injury May 13
    R Taylor ACL Knee Injury Mar 13

    H Ben Arfa Hamstring Injury no return date
    D Gosling Knee Injury no return date

  • 232 RonVanDam // Dec 23, 2012 at 3:38 AM

    We have 3 tough games coming up against ManU, Arsenal and Everton in the next 10 days. I’d be happy if we walk away with 4 points.

  • 233 JAMSHA // Dec 23, 2012 at 6:36 AM

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/289494/Marseille-s-Loic-Remy-a-no-go-for-Newcaslte/

  • 234 cyprus // Dec 23, 2012 at 6:42 AM

    Ed,
    glad you noticed we are not on 14 points anymore ;) Don’t worry, I know it sure felt like it! In the next game I think the players will be more relaxed as nothing is expected of them and they may get something. On yesterday’s game, though hard to watch, we were never in danger and this was QPR’s poorest game. I have seen them play much better. So we must have done something right. Congrats to Will., Simpson, Colo, Guti, Anita, Shola and…. Ober! Marveaux will keep improving, really hope we don’t sell him as has been hinted. He, together with Anita and HBA may be our creative spark.

  • 235 JDdubai // Dec 23, 2012 at 6:47 AM

    Our biggest issue this season is creativity. We have 2 CF’s who can score but too often our midfield dont create.

    Eg yesterday against QPR at home we play with 3 in midifeld but 2 players who only know how to hold and have nothing about them thatr can create in Perch and Tiote.

    Surely we should have Tiote, Anita in midfield and Marveaux ahead of them in the role Cabaye played end of last season.

    With that and Obertan or whoever in place of Jonas we would have a more threatening team, against anyone half decent we wouldnt have got that win.

    Really wish PArds would go for it with his selection against Man U but would almost guarantee it will be the same 11.

    Also if Ba is leaving then stick Cisse up top and Ba out wide, at least try to get Cisse back into form before Ba goes…

  • 236 catchy in norway // Dec 23, 2012 at 7:27 AM

    I really don’t care what anyone thinks of me for wanting us to lose , I have my reasons ,

    These shirt performances against shit teams make you Pardew lovers so happy to throw the win in my and others faces ,

    The fact is we played better v man c but still lost 3-1

    We have beat 10 man Wigan and a poor QPR team, this buys you the next 3 games that we will lose ,

    You think cos shola scored yesterday that make it all right , he is good enough, he took the goal wrll , but does that make up for all the ones he misses? There have been more games he he has help us lose by missing good chances or just being lazy and putting in a shift

    I did not see any of the game , just the goal , and one thing I did see was marv set it up

    What does the guy have to do,

    He is one of the worst managers we have had in the last 20 years

    Worst ever start to the prem season proves that, add to that he has us playing shit football,

  • 237 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 23, 2012 at 8:19 AM

    Catchy
    The only reason tou have is to boost your ego so you could say your right
    Theres no excuse for wanting your team to lose

  • 238 mansize scotty // Dec 23, 2012 at 9:31 AM

    Catchy, it’s not very often I post but I do read all the time,, you are a total dick my friend ,




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