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Newcastle’s Dramatic Slump Now In Full Focus

10:38 am, Thursday, December 27th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 294 Comments

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew is hoping that his players will learn from their mistakes yesterday, and those errors robbed us of what could have been our first victory at Old Trafford in 40 years, but one reason the manager looked so miserable after the game was that it was our experienced back-line that made the errors that lost us this particular game.

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Alan Pardew – let down by his experienced players

Alan Pardew hopes his players will now learn from the mistakes they made:

“I genuinely feel for the players, but at the same time we have to learn.” “There’s no point saying ‘we’ve put in a great performance’, because we got nothing.” “I can’t remember a defeat being as painful, if I’m honest.”

“I genuinely think we could have won – we scored three goals and had some great opportunities.” “We hit the post and the bar.” “You’ve got to be able to defend that situation – the last goal was galling.”

“We’ll be asking questions of ourselves for at least one of their goals, for sure.” “There were so many good things.” “It was such a young midfield.” “A little bit of inexperience in there has let them come on to us.”

It’s hard to remember when Alan Pardew looked so miserable or shaken after a Newcastle game, but that’s how he looked during his first few interviews yesterday, and we think what’s galling to him was that it was the experienced back five who let in two poor goals that put paid to everything the lads did well yesterday – and it’s still a defeat – another defeat.

We’ve now lost almost half of our games as we reach the half way point – 19 games played and 9 defeats – and in the 38 games last season we suffered only 11 defeats and had 19 wins – and right now we have only five wins in the first half of the season – so it’s really a dramatic downturn in performance from one season to the next.

That’s what happens when you lose seven of nine league games.

We have to hope for a stellar second half to the season when we should get some of our players back – but it will now be difficult – very difficult – to make the top six – although not impossible.

But another defeat at Arsenal on Saturday will be very hard to take. :(

What do you think?

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294 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 10:41 AM

    Having catchy appointed his new PR Agent and motivational speaker is too good for ashley

  • 2 eaststandgeordie1982 // Dec 27, 2012 at 10:46 AM

    We might do an everton you never know the last few games apart from qpr we have put some good performances in and with a bit of luck we could of got a few wins, we should play every game like we have nothing to lose it seems to do the trick.

  • 3 niafron // Dec 27, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    Bonjour messieurs.

    So this is worst and worst…

    Will not ask you who is injured but rather who is availlable for Saturday?

  • 4 JDdubai // Dec 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    So tempted to get Street into the matchday squad now, no point effing about, get him in like Bigi and see if he is ready….however he’s probably lacking match fitness after his injury but should be on the bench from now on.

    Team vs Arsenal

    Krul
    Simmo-Perch-Colo-Santon
    Tiote-Bigi
    Cisse-Marveaux-Obertan
    Ba

    if Anita is somehow fit then:

    Obertan-Anita-Marveaux
    Ba/Cisse

  • 5 wreker16 // Dec 27, 2012 at 10:49 AM

    Remi streete ftw

  • 6 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    I’m hoping Ashley will some day sell NUFC to someone that knows what football is about. Until then we’ll have to suffer.

  • 7 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 10:51 AM

    Niafron , I hope so, Fixtures look a lot better in Jan and with players coming back and some new signings we should see a significant improvement in results.

  • 8 Graeme // Dec 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    The problem wasnt just with Williamson yesterday, there were several occasions where Collo was guilty of ball watching, of losing his man and was not blameless in their last two goals.

    He has developed a very annoying habit of turning his back on an attacking player which leaves him wide open.

    Two good CB’s are needed to give Collo a break, allow him to recover his composure and confidence. That would then give us 3 CB’s with a bit of class with either Williamson or Saylor as the 4th – the other should be released – if Goode is as good as they think, he could be the 4th with both Saylor and Williamson allowed to leave.

  • 9 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    Simpson is the worst. The absolute worst.

  • 10 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    The players did a great job, not many teams can do that to MU at Old Trafford. It was amazing, it was not what I expected to be honest, but the last 10-15 minutes I kind of got a feeling that MU will score and they did.
    It was far better improvement than previous games.

  • 11 stuart no9 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    people said before the season started this was going to happen , the ONLY way we will get better is when ash decides to sell – untill then – enjoy it.

  • 12 hotdog // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM

    Perch will do a job v arsenal. They don’t have big powerful forwards but will try to play through us which will suit perch. I’d like to get a look at remi at some point.

  • 13 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    SAnton like always was excellent, Simpson did well too. The worst player for me last night was Colo & Ba.

  • 14 Jail for Ashley // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    Remi Streete should be out on loan along with Fergie and Tav the same as Nile Ranger should have been sent out to a third division team to build his confidence,so this five year plan that aims to use youth players is being completely mis managed due to a threadbare squad.

  • 15 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:08 AM

    Stuart

    I was one of those people. People here called me a mackem…

  • 16 Luke-A-Like // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Team for saturday…? Something along the lines of:
    Krul
    Simmo Perch Collo Santon
    Marv Tiote Bigi
    Cisse Ba Obertan

  • 17 hotdog // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    Jfa – streete has been injured though right?

  • 18 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM

    Santon03

    Maybe you should watch the game next time… Simpson was poor all over.

  • 19 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM

    So… we have Streete and Good available, right?

    Krul
    Def: Simo, Tav, Good, Streete, Colo, Fergie, Santon
    Mid: Marvv, Ober, Tiote, Jonas, Bigi, Perch (def), Sammy, Abeid
    Att: Ba, Cisse, Shola, Ranger

    Did I miss someone?

  • 20 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM

    Kyo

    Ssshhh

  • 21 jimiley // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:13 AM

    We will lose at Arsenal. 8 defeats in 10 games and then its Everton. We are sleepwalking towards relegation and there are no alarm bells ringing in Ashley’s office. thats what you call an 8 year plan towards oblivion. Every other club would have sacked Pardew ages ago. Chelsea sacked Di matteo when they were 3rd in league after a couple of draws. But they demand success. Our owner wants survival. There are winners and there are the eternal losers.

  • 22 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    oh yeah I missed Xisco

  • 23 woodsee // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM

    Match of the day chaffs my gusset,didnt even show valencias tackle on anita and being stretchered off,and as for alex ferguson,where do u start

  • 24 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    This available players

    Krul, Harp, elliot
    Def: Simo, Tav, Good, Streete, Colo, Fergie, Santon
    Mid: Marvv, Ober, Tiote, Jonas, Bigi, Perch (def), Sammy, Abeid, Amalfitano
    Att: Ba, Cisse, Shola, Ranger, Xisco

  • 25 Tommyy // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    I think it’s high time Ba was was shifted to the left, he was wasteful and selfish again yesterday and his link up play is poor. Get Cisse through the middle, Ba on the left and Obertan on either side, Tiote, Bigi and Marveux in the middle.

  • 26 spitfire_ // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    Santon03

    Good is on load at Bradford.

  • 27 spitfire_ // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    *loan

  • 28 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    Santon you have been selective in your viewing Simpson was dire, a few good runs count for nothing when he cost us possession, wasted opportunities and very definitely one goal. He has to go.
    Muppets who celebrate Willo being out – do you honestly think we have a tried and tested better replacement? Wake up.

  • 29 jimiley // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM

    Ba will be gone in January. He has scored 60% of out goals. Prediction: we will get relegated unless we buy three yop players in January. A top striker, a top right back and centre back. No purchases means relegation.

  • 30 Tommyy // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    What’s happened to Amalfitano? another example of a pointless purchase when he’s clearly not good enough.
    We need rid of these second rate players him, Gosling, Williamson, Simpson, Ranger, Xisco all need their contracts bought out and to get going.

  • 31 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:20 AM

    tads – sorry repost

    I understand why Catchy want us to lose, because he hate AP and his style. The only way to get rid of AP is when MA hit the panic button. Panic button will be hit if we keep losing games and in 17-20 place in the table.

  • 32 hotdog // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM

    Tsunki – I’m happy to be a muppet in your eyes as long as he is nowhere near our first team.

  • 33 Alan Pas-de-clue // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    I would have curtis good in before remie, hes supposed to be playing top notch, but the point is we need a new cb.
    its frustrating that whilst krul, colo, tiote, definitely jonas and arguably cisse are out of form, all fans still see two glaringly obvious weak links in our team.

    Pardew must have seen this. We also need to get rid of ba, hes bringing disharmony to the team and whilst he may score, i feel cisse could score more playing upfront. a winger come striker is just what we need as back up to cisse in a 433

    Its not unusual for good teams to start this badly, everton have done it, as i believe so have tottenham and to a lesser extent arsenal

    as long as we stay up this season and dont lose any of our big players, without the added weight of europe i really do feel we could bounce back to top 4 next season. Getting europe put a real spanner in the works of ashleys long term investment plan

    if we had been on a winning run and had that result yesterday nobody would complain, and in reality we only need maybe 7 wins from the rest of the season to stay up. this time we really are far too good to go down

  • 34 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:25 AM

    Tsunki

    I didn’t view Simo by only few good runs, he did quite well helping attack and def. Colo can’t keep up with RVP or Hernandez last night.

  • 35 jimiley // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM

    Alan,
    As long as we stay up this season we can bounce back to top 4 next season? Joker!

  • 36 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    Tsunki

    of course, I would rather see new RB, but he is our current 1st choice RB.

  • 37 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    toonarmydownsouth

    i love the attention,, good or bad,,

    say what you want,, but what you carnt hack is , you carnt answer the questions
    simple questions

    maybe its cos your a londoner, sticking up for one of your own, i dont know, southen softies, isnt that what you lot are called

    have you ever been to SJP, do you know where newcastle is even,,

    your only a puppet 😀

  • 38 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Santon03 must have been watching a different game. Simpson cost us the first goal and skied every single cross attempt. He is turd.

  • 39 jimiley // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Mr Pardew looks a bit haggard at the mo. He should calm down because when he gets the sack he will be worth a fortune. A Euro millions lotto winner!

  • 40 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:28 AM

    Spitfire

    Yes, i just checked. He is at bradford now. Thanks

  • 41 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Catchy here is a simple question for you. What do you think it will take before Ash would sack Pardew?

  • 42 Alan Pas-de-clue // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:30 AM

    Jimiley, presuming a full strength squad and some signings theres no reason why not.

    we finished fifth without any influence from marv or anita and still had the same sub standard defence we had today. a new rb a new cb and a reserve st as should have been signed in the summer and i really believe we could do it.

    Krul
    New rb New cb colo santon
    tiote cabaye anita
    hba cisse marv

    if new signings are good that is the best first 11 outside chelsea/man city and arguably man u

  • 43 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Kyo simmo got an assist for the own goal yesterday. Did he sky that one ?

  • 44 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:32 AM

    hotdog -aww you will always be my little muppet :)

    Seriously though, what I am saying is its absolutely cray to say drop Willo when we have nobody able to step into his position. No he is not the best but both him and Colo are not being helped by their defensive compatriots to either side, particularly simpson, whose worst day was yesterday by a good mile. Santon – outstanding in many departments yesterday but stil occasionally leaves gaps for others to cover behind him. he is still learning, but he is doing it fast. (I have a soft spot for the lad especially after the way he went at the mancs yesterday). Our CB’s are being dragged all over the show. I know Colo has a disturbing tendency to press forward but he knows how to get back in time, Willo knows his limits and stays put, and yesterday put some excellent ‘welcome to the game’ tackles in.

    I would love Colo to have a more competent back line to control but right now, we havent got one, simple but true.

  • 45 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    That wasn’t a cross you bellend.

  • 46 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    tequila – howay man that was an attempted shot that ended up looking like a pass that ended up going in off. Simpson did not plan any of that. How was his crossing? Good? Shooting? defending? I can predict the moment when he will back right off an attacking winger every time. If I can……

  • 47 TorqToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    Kyo – what was it then? Enlighten me?

  • 48 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    ko – I thought the way I put it was much nicer. :)

  • 49 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Kyo Bellend eh. You can`t tell the difference between a cross and a shot. Piiful

  • 50 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    Haha, I agree Tsunki.

  • 51 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    Santon03

    i tell you why

    pardew has no clue, should it take a falling out with your players to try and play football,, we are not talking about sunday league football here, we are talking about players that play for there countries, begging there manager to let them play, falling out over it

    i believe its got to the stage where the players no longer trust pardew

    so sometime you have to do desperate things, and i am quite happy to lose games to have him replaced,,

    im not one of these so called fans that sit there and kiss around his hoop,, and pretend all is well ,

    we have a great squad, that is being miss used badly,,

    santon,, would you have simpson, jonas in your team,, simpson has no future at the club what so ever, why is he even playing

  • 52 hotdog // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    Tsunki – I’ve got to go but it is simple really. He is going to have a hand in at least one opposition goal, which has been proved. It can’t go on. Perch will do a job there on Saturday and then we will hopefully have somebody through the door. Not just one but two or three defenders. Otherwise pards knows he is looking at the sack. If ba leaves we obv need another striker.

  • 53 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:37 AM

    Tsunki

    I think last night if Perch was playing as sweeper, we could get a point or maybe 3. We have weakness in def, playing 2cb and a sweeper would help.
    Hopefully 2cb and a rb in january.

  • 54 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    Tsunki it was a cross dude, but if you want to expand the argument Simmo had got into a great attacking position in lots of space. Even if was a shot it still caused the defender to make a mistake and give away a goal.

  • 55 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    You numpties need to stop judging players based on 5 minute MOTD highlights. I watched the whole thing with friends and we all facepalmed every time Simpson tried to defend or cross the ball.

    Only thing he did well was taking on players. Something he rarely does but his final product remains amateur.

  • 56 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    Catchy…is that a leading question? (a few threads back)

    …I thought Pardew was spot on with his tactics and his philosophy for the fists time the season fitted a 4-3-3 which we were playing – no hybrid 4-4-2 or make shift 4-3-3 with no movement.

    We were tactically spot on even with a second string MF. Tactics wins you games at this level since there is much difference between most players (a few fall through and a few standout).

    Wizard…Look at a team like Swansea; it’s all about the right philosophy and having the right players (you usually buy players that fit within the way you want to play).

    I read an article a while ago about Newcastle clearly being a team without a philosophy, a concept or style of play. We were without identity! The players get confused and the manager don’t seem to know how to win a game we are loosing.

    This has been our season so far! That was what I meant and I still think this is the case mate 😉 Yesterday’s match showed a team with a philosophy!

  • 57 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Kyo maybe your friends are all as stupid as you.

  • 58 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Catchy

    I understand, I don’t like AP too. I would love to have foreign manager managing our team, but I don’t wish for my team to get beaten like you. I just lost confidence with AP, not in the team.
    I would love to keep all the players we have right now, but with a new manager. It will prove my point that with the same team, new manager will do better job than AP.

  • 59 TorqToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    Tequila – Spot on mate. I very much doubt simmo would’ve even attempted a shot from that angle and the fact that the bloke isn’t renound for his shooting ability. But it’s all irrelevant as his pass led to Evans panicking and putting the ball in his own net. I very much doubt that anybody on here was bitching about Simpson yesterday when that goal went in – but knowing what this blog is like on matchdays (I don’t even bother with it as I’m either at the game or watching it somewhere) – people were probably still b1tching about the lad.

    For the record I don’t rate him, and I hope somebody can be brought in either to upgrade him or moving sants over by purchasing a new LB. I just think we should credit where it is due instead of being counter productive all the time.

  • 60 niafron // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    What about Santon as CB?

    Would paly like that:

    Simmo-Colo-Santon-Fergie

  • 61 Alan Pas-de-clue // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    if we want our philosophy to be passing/ counter attacking football we need to get rid of the likes or simpson williamson and even ba

  • 62 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

    It’s really no wonder we can’t score more than 2 or 3 goals in a game with Simpson’s terrible service. Obertan came on and crossed the perfect ball to Cisse in a matter of minutes. Simpson has been trying all season.

  • 63 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    tequilamag

    i think by feb he will be gone,, he will panick (not panick) but see that we have good players that are being miss managed,
    i think disharmany with key players, like ba and colo will not look good on him,
    the manager is not the investment, the players are, and if ashley feels he is losing value in the players, its a choice between players or manager,
    replacing 1 is easier than 11

    i think pardew has created a rod for his own back by playing negative football all season, and playing well v man u and man c, is great but it looks bad on him, if i was the owner, id be asking why have we been playiing so poor all season, yet with a so called poor midfield we played much better

    ashley has to protect his premiership status

    but honestly,, i think the players will have a big say in it, not the fans,, the players are where ashley will make money, not the fans at the ground

  • 64 TorqToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    Kyo – grow up and quit with the name calling ! Debate like an adult or don’t debate at all.

    Unless of course you AREN’T an adult which judging by your posts I highly suspect.

  • 65 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    I think all this doom and gloom is a total over reaction. Realistically most people on here thought we would loose yesterday….and we did – but we gave a fighting performance, and that the best I’ve seen from the team all season.
    Major +ve’s
    Marveaux and Obertan
    Young midfield showed themselves to be more creative than our 1st string midfield of HBA/Cabaye/Tiote/Jonas – which means there is healthy competition – that ‘s very very good for us going forward.
    Personally Cisse showed his class last night and shut up all thew muppets who’ve been complaining about him and ain’t got a clue. Ba showed himself again not to link up well and pass – so I think Ba now must play out on the flanks going forward….or at least rotate…..which tbf between the two of them they did from time to time during the match…..1st time this season and it worked….besides Ba is better on the flanks than Cisse, but Cisse’s work rate is a lot lot more than Ba’s.
    We all knew and bemoaned the lack of transitions………..if we sign these 4 players I gtee that we will transform this season…

    1. Debuchy
    2. Yanga Mbwia
    3. Sissoko
    4. Remy

    With no loss of any of our players…..its what MA/DL should have done….why pay AP/Carr if your not willing to back em in the transfer window. Here’s to hoping we get some REAL quality in January….if I was a prospective player watching last night I would have been impressed with NUFC and thought them challenging for the title……like some have said….if AP had got us playing with this intensity, passing along the ground, keeping possession then we would have beaten Fulham, Livefool, West Ham, Swansea, Stoke…..well that’s15 pts……c’mon get behind ya team man……….I’m proud of the lads and whilst devastated by the result I think this could be the turning point….also think MA/DL will realise that we were always short of 4-6 players to make us a gr8t team. Just hope we get ’em signings and retain all our team during the summer window! HWTL

  • 66 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    Torq, spot on, Simmo and Willo are the 2 most ready for an upgrade nut the bitchin about players on here is over the top.

  • 67 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    niafron

    I thought of that too few weeks ago, but I realized why he always at the back when we have corners and at the posts when we are defending corners.
    He is not good in the air

  • 68 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:49 AM

    Tequila you were the same one calling me a Mackem when I said we’d be in trouble for not signing players. Now you’re calling me stupid for calling out players who arent good enough?

  • 69 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    *is = isn’t (should make more sense now)

  • 70 TorqToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Spreadthetoon – Excellent and informed post mate! Makes a refreshing change from some of the cr@p that’s been spouted on here this morning!

    You know my thoughts and possible information on the four players you mentioned and I feel that all four players remain a distinct possibility. Everton only really pushed up the table in the 2nd half of last season and there’s no reason whatsoever (after investment) we can’t do the same!

  • 71 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    LOL Torq & Tequila, why you keep replying him? I don’t even want to reply him even when it’s directed at me.

  • 72 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM

    Catchy . we are at the end of the really hard run of fixtures players will be coming back and some new ones through the door(touch wood) Logic should tell you results will improve.
    You say the players will make the difference between Pardew staying or not. I would argue looking at the past few performances the players are working hard for the manager.
    If he had lost the dressing room we would have rolled over yesterday.

  • 73 TorqToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Santon – yeah fair point ! I dont usually respond to trolls but as a Geordie born and bred I was so proud of the lads yesterday and it grates me that some on here still find a reason to bitch and moan! But you are right – ignore them and hopefully they will move along !

  • 74 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    I always used to stick up for simmo as a defender but always believed his forays forward were wasteful and in the end better served by him staying back and letting someone more accomplished finish the job. The fact he assisted the OG does not gloss over that the rest of his attempts were wasteful and in the end costly. I hate bashing players, I have stuck up for Willo and Jonas as being victims of a badly-shaped team and of the positioning inadequacies of those nearby, but Simpson yesterday did all he could to advertise the weakness he instils in the team. Look at the defensive shape with an eye on what Simpson creates in the way of gaps, holes for wingers to get to the byline or get early crosses in, and you will start to appreciate why the CB’s are being dragged side to side all the time. For me, Simpson is 30% good, 60% wasted and 10% costly.

  • 75 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM

    Kyo , I have not accused anyone on the blog of being a Mackem, even Catchy who does not want us to win.
    As for signing players I have argued all season we did not do anywhere near enough..

  • 76 Spellcheck // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM

    Catchy you’re a complete TOSSER.

  • 77 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    tsunki

    it would be very difficult to not find someone more competent than willo. A coffee table would have more mobility.

    Arsenal don’t hit a lot of high balls. It’s not like playing stoke or west ham and I would take perch’s pace over ‘ I can’t jump” willo.

  • 78 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

    “Still find a reason to bitch and moan”

    So criticism aimed at Simpson is unfounded? No wonder we failed to get Debuchy over the line. People seem to be content with mediocrity.

  • 79 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Jesper

    Where is your boyfriend Ibiza? 😛

  • 80 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Torqtoon

    Its all too easy to bemoan and criticize the lads…..which tbf I would have done….but our overall performance was good, even though the result was not….and we should not have lost the match…..our defensive frailties showed…..but at least we were at the races! Hopefully we do sign and strengthen at the back…..crazy to think we have not signed anyone since Santon who was a replacement to Jose…….so relatively speaking we’ve done nothing there for a very long while……besides which given the volume of games our back 4 have played, fatigue and all the rest of it…….anyone could see we were gonna be short with EL! I always think its a bit of a poison chalice as it detracts from your season….gr8t if you have the dept…..but sadly MA/DL though they could do it on a shoe string! I’m hoping that yesterday’s performance along with our injury list highlighted to the board our need to strengthen our numbers and QUICKLY! Start of the transfer window please….none of this last minute finger nail biting bull*hit!

  • 81 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Tequila

    I never mentioned perch for willo before now. it must of being someone else.

  • 82 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Tequila

    Fair enough. All I’m saying is you can go back to that game and see all the poor parts of Simpson, of which there were many. We really need to upgrade.

  • 83 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    Although I believe Simpson was the weak link yesterday, I am sure he tried, (but in honesty he illustrated all his inadequacies yesterday) I just want to make it clear though that I thought that was the best the lads played all season yesterday and hope they keep their heads high for Arsenal, if we play anywhere like that we will murder them, if of course we havent used up every ounce of energy now. and Anita is ok.

    I dont think it was a great Man U victory at all, they really dodged a bullet yesterday at our cost. I think the most disappointing thig about yesterday was the mackems beating stupid Citeh. Apparently the loudest cheer in the stadium of plight yesterday was for our result. I really want them to go down.

  • 84 TorqToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    Kyo – nobody is arguing that point. All we are saying is constant put downs aren’t good for the morale on here. It’s bad enough as it is without somebody being consistently negative.

    Everybody knows simmo needs upgrading – but not everybody will dedicate their time on here to bitching about the bloke.

  • 85 fray bentos // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    @jimiley

    “We will lose at Arsenal. 8 defeats in 10 games and then its Everton. We are sleepwalking towards relegation and there are no alarm bells ringing in Ashley’s office. thats what you call an 8 year plan towards oblivion. Every other club would have sacked Pardew ages ago. Chelsea sacked Di matteo when they were 3rd in league after a couple of draws. But they demand success. Our owner wants survival. There are winners and there are the eternal losers”

    Talk about negativity!

    We just nearly won to the top of the league team at Old Trafford and then you say we can’t beat Arsenal or Everton who are below them, come on man, support our team a bit

    Yeah i realise we have had a bad season but since around the Swansea game, most games we have started to look an alright team again, weare not in the relegation zone so stop saying we are going to get relegated, jeez lighten up a bit and support your team.

    We are not Chelsea, we can’t go swapping managers every season, it would be damaging to our club and who would actually come to our club

    If you want instant success and an easy ride go and support one of the big 3 with their excess of money, thats obviously want you want and we aren’t one of them

  • 86 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    Kyo I see so it`s my fault Debuchy never signed, If only I had hated on Simmo we would have got Debuchy over the line ?

  • 87 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    rotonda @77 although mildly amusing to you, you still dont mention the replacement. True sign of a complainer, someone who cannot suggest a remedy for the ailment.

    I think we can all agree that our defensive display, whoever was to blame, makes a compelling argument to revamp our back line with meaningful signings in Jan or if we have to the summer. If we fix that, coupled with returning players and the rise of anita, marveaux and maybe obertan, we will be transformed into one of the most feared sides in the PL.

  • 88 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:09 PM

    One thing I’ve been proven wrong on is Obertan. He is actually becoming half decent.

  • 89 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    Yeah jimiley your post is really a drag! putting chelski in as an example of ideal man-management is always a bad idea. you can only be that ruthless when you are the guy who has spent millions and millions on top talent for years, and Mike hasnt has he?

    A performance like yesterdays against any other team bar chelski and we will trounce them. no doubt about that. If yesterdays game was at SJP, the crowd would have made us win 5-4.

  • 90 TorqToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    Kyo – SEE !!! Now that wasn’t too difficult was it? :-)

  • 91 bettyswallocks // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:11 PM

    With HBA and Cabaye missing yesterday who are supposedly our two best creative players we gave our best attacking display for a long time.

    Pardew openly admitted that his game plan yesterday was to attack Man U as he saw an opportunity to get at their defense. We could have acually won that game.

    What the fcuk has been his game plan in all the other games against lesser teams where we have looked crap and lost.

    We have good players that just need pointing in the right direction on a consistant basis.

    If he reverts back to that negative system now he has to be replaced.

  • 92 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:12 PM

    It’s hard to know whether the recently much improved performances are due to the much publicised spats between Pardew and Colo, Ba, Cisse, Benny and Marv, with Pardew being forced to change his negative, defensive long ball stance.

    Even given the limitations of Simmo and Willo, if we had played lke we did yesterday at home against the likes of West ham, Swansea and at Southampton, Stoke, Fulham etc we would have murdered those teams.

    Yesterday we played like I always hoped we would given the technical playmakers we have at our disposal, but who until recently have been totally wasted.

    So who is running the team now? Has Pardew had an ephiphany or are the players just doing it their way now?

  • 93 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM

    Rotando no you did not specify perch for Will but you did say Wullo being out was not a problem. If not Perch then who?

  • 94 niafron // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:16 PM

    OK, Santon isn’t maybe the best in the air, but Italian defenders never were.

    And they won 4 world cups.

    So my team for Saturday:

    ————–Krull———–
    Simmo–Colo–Santon-Fergie
    —————Tioté————–
    Obertan-Marv-Anita(?)-Sammy
    —————Cissé—————

  • 95 BelfastMagpie // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

    Simpson is off to Barnet in the summer..

    You heard it here first.

  • 96 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM

    Jimiley

    Sorry lad but you go from one extreme to the other. I saw your pre-match comments and then your comments after the match. Remember we have not won at OT since 1972…..so IMO I think we did well…..could we have done a lot better….yes’ of course coz’ the game was ours for the taking!

    Do I think AP has got it wrong most of this season…..YES, absolutely….playing hoofball which drives me to distraction……is he manager of NUFC…yes…will I back him….yes, providing we keep putting in performances like we did yesterday, and play attractive attacking football cos’ that’s what we do! Do I think we need an upgrade of players….YES absolutely…….
    Am I going to think the worst….and actually predict in a doom and gloom way that we’re actually going to get relegated……..get on your bike lad…….Sunderland’s that way –>! Joking lad but I’m sure you can see, no one will take you seriously if you start posting that drivel……it’s not a gr8t read. If you got a solution…gr8t put it out there, but putting ya team down, with no solutions and no ideas….well it’s dull!

  • 97 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    Tsunki

    Sorry, lets’s try again. I’ll say it in English.

    Willo has been culpable for a lot of goals conceded with people running at him on the deck with pace.

    No I’m sure someone resembing me said I would take Perch’s pace over ”I can’t jump ”Willo as Arsenal don’t play high balls.

    Now the operative word there is Perch. Sorry if that that was confusing for you but are we all clear now pet?

  • 98 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

    It could feasibly be that our team shape and style has changed out of necessity to fit certain personnel in. Lack of defensive options and DM capability means we have a team sheet that is all round more naturally attacking, so the attack being best form of defense policy has been thrust upon pardew. I thought it was executed well, but unfortunately the defensive failings were to many to overcome against perennial never-say-die Manure. Sad but true.

  • 99 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:20 PM

    Since we only have 2cb left (perch and colo), any cb we bring in january must be ready to play and it has to be quick signing. we can’t afford AP doing like he did with anita, santon or any players we have which took months to get them playing.

  • 100 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    Tequilla

    If perch can’t play CH for some reason I’m not aware of then yes we appear to be absolutely f…d!
    Unless Streete and Goood can step up (unlikely) or if we get a lovely new year present like M’NBiwa or sakho

  • 101 DarloGeordie // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    Life of pi another Indian bull sh!t story for you

  • 102 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM

    niafron

    I’m with you on Santon being a cb, but I don’t see it’s going to happen, maybe if we have different manager that will happen.
    Santon was a winger, right winger. Mourinho played him as LWB.
    Another example is Cesare Prandelli, he played DeRossi as sweeper, if he was NUFC manager he would play Perch as sweeper.

  • 103 JAMSHA // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Simpson is off to AC Milan in the
    summer..

  • 104 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Santon03
    Agreed we need players in the 1st week of the window….as for how quick of the mark they are….well that’s down to the individuals…..and no one really knows how long a time that will take eh?

  • 105 BelfastMagpie // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    Anybody know whats going on with Nile Ranger ??

    Is he injured or has he been a bad boy again ??

  • 106 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Rotando, Perch can play at CH just not effectively. The majority of people would like Willo upgraded but I would still have him over Perch given the choice.

  • 107 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Belfast
    Reckon Santa dropped him off his list…LOL

  • 108 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Tsunki,

    I’m not a complainer, just call it as i see it.

    We played fantastic football yesterday, defence apart.

    Just frustrated that it got the stage where the captain
    and leading scorer had to tell pardew enough was enough and we’ve wasted half a season doing it.

    I’ve always volunteered cures and remedies to the problem as have the players now apparently. Just some people don’t agree with them which of course is their right. Doesn’t make me wrong or them right.

  • 109 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    We are in desperate situation atm and this is not summer transfer window. I think we can find a ready to play cb easily.

  • 110 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Rotonda @ 97 – wow hurtful, but yes, that was much better. Now you look a bit less like a whiner. Not so hard when we try is it?

  • 111 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    Nile Ranger was making sarcastic remarks regarding being benched/not playing etc on Twitter so I guess he has been in trouble again.

    He’ll never make it here.

  • 112 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:32 PM

    :) Forgot to ad – Babe

  • 113 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM

    That didnt work very well :(

    Rotonda – Should have read:-

    Forgot to add – sorry babe :)

  • 114 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    BREAKING NEWS: FA receive no complaint from referee Mike Dean over Sir Alex Ferguson’s conduct against Newcastle.

  • 115 niafron // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:36 PM

    I never discuss the choice of a player over another one, this is the global philosophy of the team who is annoying.

    Perch, Bigi and Anita in Midfield: Choice of Physicall strength and defensive awareness over creativity.

    Cissé on the wing: choice of physical presence front of the goal one more time over creativity.

    Santon and Simmo on the wings: choice of defensive cover over creativity…

    Ba as Striker: Squad managment choice over creativity.

    So as you can see, creativity in the play is by far the last concern.

  • 116 alex84 // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

    Haha that just proves Ferguson can do what he likes! Disgrace

  • 117 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Santon03
    I think it’s a lot more than just signing a player….especially at CB, you have to read the line, anticipate your fellow defenders, or even lead the line…not just be left to Collo all the time!
    RB & CB are definitely the areas we need to improve upon! So who would you like to see come in for us in an ideal situation?

  • 118 niafron // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:38 PM

    Remarks on twitter?

    As long as he don’t try to kill someone, in his particular case, nothing serious.

  • 119 JARRAMAG // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    The reason we played better was because we never had Jonas and Tiote losing the ball all game

    Our problems have been well known for over a season -Willo & Simpson are crap and needed replacing ages ago but Ashley is just not interested in us (survival and keeping squad to the bare bones for more profit)

    We would of won that game if those two were replaced in the close season

    One question i would like to ask Ashley-Are you prepared to take us down again and lose at least £60 mill from tv rights next year?

  • 120 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:41 PM

    santon,

    I’m like you. I want the players we have to stay but can’t help thinking a continental coach would work wonders with them and I think a sweeper in a 343 would be amazing.

  • 121 BelfastMagpie // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    Thought so lol

    Seen him say something about training with the reserves.

    Gangsta !!!!

  • 122 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM

    no surprised saf gets under the radar. The FA and media cannot touch him now he is the games icon.

  • 123 josh // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    We seriously need more than 2-3 players in, in the January window with all these injuries. We cannot afford to scrape by. Although it was a good performance yesterday. But bottom line we lost we need dale Winton style supermarket sweep style technique in the window.

  • 124 BelfastMagpie // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:45 PM

    I thought he done well against Bordeaux like.

    He’s just a head banger, simple as that…

  • 125 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:46 PM

    Josh
    What you talking about…..? Supermarket sweep…..what like QPR….no thanks. We need good quality players, not BOGOFs

  • 126 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    josh – if we spray tan del boy a healthy orange do you think he could get us the players? 😉

  • 127 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM

    Tsunki

    N kind of lot it’s imoact and in any case it’s hot babe thankyou

    Now you just need to work on your patronising and condescending tone a tad and surgically remove
    one’s head from one’s arse and hey presto.

  • 128 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    56 jesperfuglsang

    yes it was ,, but only us FANS who are brave enough answer it :) the others just dodge it and call names

    tequilamag

    yes we are at the end of a hard run, but just before that it was our easy run ( if there is an easy run) the manager has been holding the team back for to long,

    there is no reason what so ever for him to have made all those stupid excuses up,
    he blamed the kids, senagal fa, injuries many things but not himself,
    he says the strangest things, that make no sense at times,
    now he is making himself look stupid by arguing with colo and other senior players, begging him to stop the hoofball and try and play,, should he not have learnd all of this in the 10 years since he burst on the scene?

    now he has shown us we can pass the ball, now he has shown us we can take on man u and man c,, why has he insisted all along that we couldnt??

    is he really a winner,, not by a long way

  • 129 ToonDownSouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:53 PM

    Rotonda

    ” much publicised spats between Pardew and Colo, Ba, Cisse, Benny and Marv ”

    Did I miss something here?? All I’ve seen is one argument in the dressing room with Colo – the subject of which is pretty much just speculation – and Cisse unhappy at being replaced after a woeful showing.

  • 130 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    I think he means a Supermarket sweep of our french targets.

  • 131 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    Catchy
    Were you happy with the performance overall yesterday? If so…..then surely we are moving in the right direction.
    Believe me any return to “hoofball” will be bet with serious criticism…..but at the end of the day….play like we did and add a few quality signings….our season will quite likely turn out alright!

  • 132 Jail for Ashley // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM

    When a CB wasn’t brought in last January a lot of people bought the excuse and thought we’d buy in the summer people again seem convinced that Mashley will buy to protect his investment it will be a big test for Mashleys supporters as to what we do or don’t spend,but even the statement to protect his investment should start the alarm bells ringing are we really happy to have an owner whose biggest ambition is too protect his investment.

  • 133 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    Kyo
    If we talking about gettin’ in our targets QUICKLY, in the ¬1ST WEEK…..then I completely agree…..but Quality being the operative word!

  • 134 ToonDownSouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    JfA

    It’s painful to see people talking about the players we should buy in January. Truly painful. The sad thing is, it’s not because people are too stupid to see the truth – it’s just because they love the club too much to do anything but hope for the very best.

  • 135 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    Catchy you never stopped bangin on about the fixture list when you were predicting we would be bottom 3 at Xmas. Only fair to point out that we moving into a new phase of the season with players coming back and easier fixtures.
    For all your doom mongering the world has not came to an end. Pardew is here to stay . for your own sanity get used to it.

  • 136 Toon1978 // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM

    The writing was on the wall for all to see the second the summer transfer window slammed shut. Everybody knew we where going to struggle except Pardew, Llambias and Ashley. They took a major gamble and it has p1ssed all over their parade. The lack of ambition shown by the club after a monumentous efford shown by the players to get us into Europe was a major slap in the face for them. Why would the likes of HBA, Cabaye and Ba want to stay at this club who refuse to budge on transfer dealings and no flexibility to push us on? To pull out of a deal of over half a million quid or so is simply madness. We could have had Debuchy, Douglas and a striker through the door had Ashley shown any ambition for his club. Instead he held onto his millions and gambled on the young kids to come through and do a job……….DELUDED FOOLS. Now, we sit under SAFC who are a very poor side. We have fell so fast it is hard to comprehend. Ahley has learned bugger all and i wouldn’t expect much more in January. We will get the same bullsh1t from Pardew. Sitting 15th after Xmas is pretty f…king bad and we are worse of now then what we where when we got relegated. A round of applause to the idiocracy of the board.

  • 137 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    Jfa
    Don’t think anyone’s an advocate of ‘im. He’s not a fan of the Toon and operates the club like a business, though his wealth could afford him to treat it more like a hobby! Perhaps he would if he was the owner of Spurs.
    He has put the club on a better financial footing and thereby secured our l/term future….that I am appreciate of…..but his penny pinching over £1m for Debuchy etc this last window really wound me up. You don’t always get sell on value with players….look at Ryan Giggs or Paul Scholes….but they have experience etc……so we always sign young players…..but sometimes I think we need some experience….apparently Debuchy is 27….thereby “old” thereby where is his sell on value…….its not the way to do things IMO.

  • 138 BelfastMagpie // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:05 PM

    Why does everybody seem to no more than me about the whole Colo argument ??

    Keeping secrets ?? you swines !!

  • 139 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    i was over the moon, like i said this is the first game this season i can say i was proud of the team, and how pardew set them up

    but 1 out of 20+ matches is very poor,

    for me the big question is when he gets everyone back fit, will he show faith, or revert back to players not good enough,,
    think about it
    cabaye tiote HBA anita first choice
    marv bigi perch as back up

    how many would have jonas back in there?

  • 140 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Rotonda sorry didnt get the first line there but no probs, seeing a surgeon right away. And OK HOT babe you get the benefit of the doubt, but I dont think I am anyones pet btw.

    Sorry if I come across as patronising or whatever but I try to avoid calling people names, I prefer a bit of ridiculing banter or calling out throwaway comments but there you are we all have our style.

  • 141 MacToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM

    Was a great game yesterday, alot of fight shown by both teams but yet again we are on the wrong end of a 4-3 scoreline.

    I believe 3 of their goals were down to poor defensive errors, the 4th goal where Simpson and Willo just watched them score… shocking.

    However, so many positives, Anita seemed inspired and no wonder man U wanted to take him out! Bigi was 50/50 for me but great experience for the lad. Ober is like a different player, great take by Cisse for his goal.

    The ref was magnificent up until the start of the second half when he should have and didn’t send SAF to the stands.

    Another tough game Saturday, hope we play with as much passion and skill but try to eliminate those defensive errors….I’ll not hold my breathe though just yet.

  • 142 Toon1978 // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

    Tsunki

    Jonas was a miss yesterday ehhhhhh lol:)

  • 143 BelfastMagpie // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    That was the most annoying thing Mactoon.

    All they’re goals could of been avoided…

  • 144 Toon1978 // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:12 PM

    Fergy to get away with his antics lol. Now there’s a surprise.

  • 145 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM

    Catchy
    I am glad that you were pleased……so was I, its painful to get through half a season before we start playing the way we all know we can….I agree AP has been far too negative….and quite frankly I’ve never bought the “personnel” situation cos’ Saylor n Cabaye have been our only l/term injuries from the 1st team of last year that saw 5th!
    I hope that this is the change of things…..we’ve been moving in this direction during the last 5/6 games…..so I think some lessons have been learned…

    I guess the question is will he pick his midfield “players” based on last year or based on their form. For me I think our midfield of last night deserve to start every match…..and those injured have to fight for their place back….that’s the way it should be….its healthy for the players and the club….just hope AP really has taken something from yesterday….but not sure as he seemed consumed with loss……..without realising the +ve constructive performance of our midfield….remember we had 11 shots on target, that was more than Man U at OT! Now that’s something to really shout about!

  • 146 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:19 PM

    tequilamag

    you see that where your wrong,, we dont have to get used to it

    the season we went down dec 30 2008
    14 Newcastle United 20 22 w5 d7 l8 f26 a32
    15 Sunderland 20 22
    16 Tottenham Hotspur 20 20
    17 Middlesbrough 20 20
    18 Stoke City 20 20
    19 Blackburn Rovers 20 18
    20 West Bromwich Albion 20 18

    final table
    18 Newcastle United 38 34 w 7 d13 l18 f40 a59
    19 Middlesbrough 38 32
    20 West Bromwich Albion 38 32

    this season
    p19 w5 d5 l9 f23 a30 p 20

    we are 2 points worse off, we havent scored as many, and we are only 2 goals better off conceding wise

    please tell me why pardew should get a chance?

  • 147 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Catchy, comparing this season with last relegation season would be a mistake.
    We had 4 different managers that season and the club was in chaos.
    Totally different this time…..unless we sack the manager of course and go down the Kamikaze Catchy route.

  • 148 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Catchy
    We’re moving in the right direction….if we were not then I would be questioning AP’s immediate future…..but seeing as we are playing well now…..tells me results will come…..
    If we were to get rid of AP…who would we bring in? Just do not think its a good time to suggest such a thing……we need to stick together through these tough times…not implode. Like I say as long as AP has learned the lessons and we carry on the same way that we have….then I can see that the 2nd half will be better :)

  • 149 MacToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Belfast, only just plucked the courage to watch match of the day highlights and yes we were let down heavily by our defence :-(

    Find myself agreeing with Kets lol Simpson especially and Willo were/are not at the same level as the others on our team (atleast) yesterday.

  • 150 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:25 PM

    Santon…why I am the girl in the relationship?…is it because I am the pretty one? 😀

  • 151 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    i think with that squad,, if fergy had it it would be up there chalanging for the league,,

    i think we have more better players than man u,, man u have a lot of kids that are not proven, kids with potential, or players like scholes giggs ferdinand evera, that were very good, amonst the best in the world at some stage, but now, no longer good players,,

    it showed last year how bad they were when he had to get scholes out of retirement, :(

    thats not knocking our performance yesterday,, that was top class,, i think the players took heart from the ref given the goal,, that was a big decision

  • 152 Toon XI // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    We need 20 Points to get to 40 on the season. That essentially means we need 7 wins to ensure safety. I just looked at the fixture list and don’t see 7 wins from this ragged squad in the remaining matches, especially if Ba leaves in January.

    Bottom line – we need help from weaker teams and need to pray that 40 points is not a requirement for survival this season.

    It is going to be a close one come May, so hold on tight.

  • 153 josh // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:28 PM

    @ spreadthetoon. If were going to get technical, supermarket sweep aim of the game is to get the stuff you need, not to swipe off any old brand of German aldi baked beans nobody wants. Clearly I don’t want us to follow the policy of q.p.r. as last time I checked I didn’t have dribble running down my chin. Apologies if my humor missed the bulls eye. @tsunki. I reckon its worth a punt bud, if anyone can get you a deal its del boy.

  • 154 BelfastMagpie // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    It’ll be fine we’ve got our new signings coming back from injury soon. :-)

  • 155 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:30 PM

    Toon 1978 @ 142 – oK lol away there mate but we conceded 4 poor goals. How on earth do you know jonas was a miss or not? Are you saying his omission was 100% reason for our attacking display? Hmm.

  • 156 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:32 PM

    josh @ 143 bravo sir, bravo!

  • 157 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    spreadthetoon 104

    It’s a matter how much we are willing to pay for a cb, but it doesn’t need to take months before we can use him. It just like Kompany when he moved to MC, Aguero, Sliva, Nasri to MC or Thiago Silva to Milan or PSG. in NUFC case like Tiote, Cisse, Cabaye.
    I don’t know who the perfect replacement and if the club willing to pay for that cb. If I have to answer, I would like cb above 30 years old.

    Rotonda 120
    Foreign coach will have more tactical knowledge than AP who is like most English managers. They are willing to play like sweeper/libero tactic or false#9 tactic, but with AP you will get limited tactics. Even RDM was using “park the bus” vs Barca, depending on who is the opponent not just put on 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 and hope for the best.

  • 158 Toon XI // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM

    Belfast – I hope you are right!

  • 159 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    tequilamag

    im not gona call you stupid,,

    but at least we had a reason to go down that route last time

    why are we in a worse position this time, played one game less, yes, but if we win we will be 1 point better off than last time

    this time the club is stable isnt it???

    we could pin point a reason last time,, now it carnt be the players,, they just played aswell as man u

    am struggling, sorry, 4 managers last time, to share the blame,, how many can we blame for where we are right now??

    its the same board in place, its the same manager as last year,, why are we where we are right now

  • 160 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    Jesper

    Ibiza said you are lovely blonde girl hahahahaha

  • 161 Tsunki // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    Toon X1 – bright ray of sunshine from yesterday then oh wait……..

    Really think we will drop below Villa, Reading, QPR? Life is one big grey cloud there isnt it? :)

  • 162 BelfastMagpie // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    I bet anyone Pardew comes out with the injured players coming back line, about the second week of January.

  • 163 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM

    Catchy
    Ref decision was big, was instrumental….and above all the right choice. SAF should have been sent off…but one rule for man u but another for everyone else.

    But to say we should be much higher in the league….well my thoughts are that we played very well at times during last season but we also got a stream of lucky results….I thought in the summer that we were 4 or 5 players off being a really really good team.(cemented top 6 season in season out)…..sadly the people who own the club chose to ignore this opportunity. Now we are paying for it! I think realistically we could be sitting anywhere around 8th….but we’re not….we are where we are. But I do believe that if MA/DL redeem themselves and sign the players we should have done during the summer then I think we can finish in the top half…..I’ll settle for that given the rubbish we’ve played this 1st half.

  • 164 MacToon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    *Just to add that although agreeing with kets 😉 we all knew Simpson and Willo were the weak links but they certainly cost us big yesterday!
    Last 20 mins or so we kept giving the ball away and ultimately their last 2 goals.

    Aye, can’t wait for our injured “new signings” to come back.

  • 165 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    Santon…Ibiza do like them blond don’t he lol (it’s not easy when they are all brunettes where he’s stationed)

  • 166 josh // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    @tsunki. Thank you lol.

  • 167 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    Bonucci, Ogbonna, Walter SAmuel, or Lucio will be my choice, but I don’t think the club policy would allow it or can afford them.
    Well, maybe we can afford Ogbonna, he is still 24 and playing at Torino/Italian national team

  • 168 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    or Carvalho

  • 169 Santon03 // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:40 PM

    jesper LOL

  • 170 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:41 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    that is your choice, my friend,, and id be happy with 8th

    but sitting 15th, with the players we have is madness

    it is unexcuseble,

  • 171 Toon XI // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    Tsunki –

    Just keeping it real and looking at the facts. Sorry for being a realist. I hope we stay up and will be expecting us to stay up. Reality is it will be a close one when all is said and done.

    Yesterday’s match was great and I enjoyed every minute of it. Problem is when you look at the upcoming fixture list and where we are on points it is a scary proposition. Do you deny it?

  • 172 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    Santon03
    Some interesting choices………don’t give a stuff about the club’s policy….look where its got us…..really hope MA/DL get the message cos’ I’m fed up with them serving up the same ol’ dross year in year out! Besides a lot more TV money….something like £30m, so seeing as we spent f’ all in the summer MA should be loosening £40m….sadly cannot see it.

  • 173 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    BelfastMagpie

    you thinking about no one coming in,, ? make us happy our players are fit again?

  • 174 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:44 PM

    Santon…I am not sure where he’s hiding, but since he’s not on here he’s definitely not working 😀 lol

    …my guess is he’s back in England in the south where he’s from (isn’t he from the Reading area or something?)

  • 175 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:46 PM

    Catchy the squad is better than last time and yes changing managers 4 times in a season is a big factor as to why we were relegated.
    Given the choice would you rather results improved and we climbed the league or would you rather we lose games, risk relegation and change the manager. Silly question we all know you would rather we got relegated just so long as you get Pardew out.
    PS you can call me stupid if you want to Catchy. Your wrong about everything else why should that bother me.

  • 176 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Catchy
    Its not gr8t agreed, but I am an optimist but also a realist……I cannot see us being relegated especially after such a spirited performance like the one the lads gave last night……if we carry on that way….play that way…..are set up that way!i.e. managed that way!

    Yes…we do need to strengthen at the back…..and I was questioning our creativity and midfield ability…Anita/Marv/Obers have convinced me otherwise….I was calling a CAM as our 1st priority some days ago….but I was wrong. RB and CB are so so important for our season I cannot begin to explain….

    Our 1st half of the season has been underwhelming….and football is a tale of two halves…..based on last night and our gradual improvement…..yes I can see us have a better 2nd half with the same players/mgr etc but am hopeful we get some new faces in……so we can retain the talent we have at the club during the summer!

  • 177 check the toastie // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:51 PM

    Think people are getting a little carried away with a gallant loss. Oh great our players are starting to put some effort in and play at a higher tempo, this for me is a given and the fact that most of the year we have been off the pace is the fault of the manager.

    I have seen improvement in how maybe the side is trying to play in the last few games, but there are still many doubts about the journey Parsnip is taking us on, still totally unconvinced about his ability, however i am going to cut him some slack if he continues to pick a side that offers a threat.

    As soon as he brings Jonas back to play wide midfield, he should be instantly sacked, or certified insane.

    The sad thing about the whole game yesterday was that the only sure thing is that we would inevitably lose the game, thanks Simpson for your hapless defending.

    Surely Pardew can come up with something to get him out the team, personally would move Santon over and play Fergy Left back, fergy will never be a PL wide midfielder, doesnt have enough off for me, the only position he could ever play in is LB, might as well give it a go for a few games.

  • 178 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Josh
    Sorry “lost in translation” :)

  • 179 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    january

    Newcastle V Everton not easy

    FA Cup Brighton V Newcastle

    Norwich V Newcastle not easy

    Newcastle V Reading 6 pointer draw is no good

    Aston Villa V Newcastle 6 pointer draw is no good

    FEBRUARY

    Newcastle V Chelsea not easy
    Tottenham V Newcastle not easy
    Newcastle V Met’st Kharkiv
    Met’st Kharkiv V Newcastle
    (agg 0-0)

    Newcastle V Southampton 6 pointer

    our games in jan and feb,, i see 3 winable games

  • 180 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM

    tequilamag

    your mad

    you would rather go down than admit defeat , last time we could say it was a combination of things,,

    this time its one man, his choices, tactics and teams, and you still wont admit it

    im prepaired to go down for a corz your just sitting on a sinkng ship

  • 181 josh // Dec 27, 2012 at 1:58 PM

    Spreadthetoon. No problem bud.

  • 182 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    Catchy it`s nice your prepared to “go down for a cause”
    (Apols for correcting spelling mistakes) but everyone else would rather we stayed in the PL thanks.

  • 183 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM

    ole gunner solksjær

    he can save us

  • 184 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    Catchy
    Sorry completely disagree…..our team is capable of more than it has achieved….even you agree with this…..our players have the ability….AP is getting them to play the right way….agreed….so I do not understand your pessimism. I really hope you are wrong…..not for one up man ship but cos’ I love our club and would not want a repeat of 08/09…….besides which when the trend shows we are improving why would we then go backwards!

  • 185 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    tequilamag

    im shit at spelling :) i dont hide it lol

    tell me good things that pardew has done for the club since he has been here?

    convince me im wrong in how i see it,

    even a few words would be nice,

    not askng for an essay on it

    just a few bullet points as to why you think he is THE right man

  • 186 Danish_Magpie // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    Would personally play:

    Krul,

    Simpson, Perch, Colo, Santon

    Obertan, Tiote, Bigi, Marveaux

    Cisse, Ba(/Shola depending on whether Ba looks on his way out or not…)

  • 187 eastend toon // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    we would’ve won yesterday but for being let down by our defence. i thought our midfield were exceptional and yet pardew talks about missing our starting midfielders, fair enough, cabaye and ben arfa, but the lads that stepped up yesterday did astoundingly well against manu

    if we dont seriously fix our defence, we go down, its that simple

  • 188 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Catchy
    A londoner?
    Im from newcastle ya t1t! But lippy from some muppet who comes from norway!
    Also i’ve answered your questions, just like everyone else, on numerous occasions but it pointless as once you get found out you go back into hiding again until we lose
    The worst thing is once you’ve run out of stats you start offering ppl outside (like anyones going to fly to norway to fight a 12 yr old!)
    Then when that doesn’t work you just go oh well you carnt (can’t) hack that im right
    Well your not you have an opinion, one where you openly admit you would glady see us lose games just so you can say your right
    Sorry but thats no excuse to hope your team lose

  • 189 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    Spreadthetoon //

    im going of 2 years of the guy in charge,, not just this season

    i have said many times, we have a great squad, shit leader

    we played better v man c,, shit against QPR

    i pointed out the games for jan and feb,, not many easy home games there,, so if we need to win 7 games in 4 month, and 3 out of the next 2 month are winable, that leaves us 4 more wins to get

    bare in mind we are playing better and still loosing games now, new player might not hit the ground running, there joining a struggeling team

  • 190 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    i never hide from anyone,
    and you dont have to fly to norway,, im england more than enough
    you never answer anything

    you just insult

  • 191 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    Catchy, fifth last season, (call it lucky if you like but luck for me is an unusual occurrence out of the norm. Can`t be lucky over 38 games.)
    Good man management, he has brought on more young players than any manager here for years. Got HBA playing to his potential when he was unconsidered unmanageable in France.
    I am not saying and never have said that Pardew is a great manager. But given the constraints he has to work under at Newcastle with lack of backing from Ash he has done a good job. Better than I thought him capable of. Remember defence is the one area Pardew has not been able to make changes in. Santon and Good are the only defenders we have bought. If you look at midfield and attack he has assembled the makings of an excellent team. Given backing to complete the work in the defence and we will be a top 6 team.

  • 192 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Catchy
    AP….whilst not my first choice…..nor am I a fan of him…..and I too have been critical of his tactics and choices………….as a fan/supporter I can see that he is taking the team in the right direction at this moment in time….i.e. I do believe that we will have a better 2nd half……..but to wish my team harm, or a disservice….IMO is not showing loyalty to NUFC….
    Now don’t get me wrong as I think you are often well intentioned….but sadly misunderstood….do I want AP to manage the club for 8 yrs…..no, not if this is what we have to bear, but there has to be some balance.
    I often think that some on here are too loyal to AP, and cannot see the wood for the trees or don’t want to…..besides which going through a fixture list and predicting a result is meaningless in isolation…..personally I look at the three places above and below us……and take each game at a time…….I never wish to wish a season away…..and whilst there are up and downs with our club…..and at times it hard…….they’re our club and we should be behind ’em. Seriously if AP does screw up, I’ll be one of the first to call it……but to sack him now would not be the right decision……if we’re in the last 3 in a months time….then I might be wavering.

  • 193 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    tequilamag

    we were lucky in so many ways last year, not just our games, chelsea and liverpool

    what kids has he brought through ? santon was nearly 6 million he was bought, even bigi was bought,, our kids he has slated 2 times

    do you really think pardew has HBA playing better?? i see him as a proper no 10,, to me he is wasted out on the right, does not get the ball enough

    do you think his handeling of obertan was good last year? every week sending him out and the crowd getting on his back,

    do you think his hadeling of this colo argument is good,, he just told the world about an argument no one new about,,
    ahhh the defence,, the same defence that need sorted last jan and in the summer??

  • 194 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    http://translate.google.dk/translate?hl=da&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsporten.tv2.dk%2F2012-12-27-rasende-ferguson-slipper-straf%3Fforside

    Reed it and weep!

  • 195 mattyNUFC // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    dunno why AP mentions the midfield….though Bigi wasn’t great, Perch and Anita were and Big worked equally as hard

    It was the defence, all four of them (though i won’t throw too much blame on santon as i thought he was his usual superb self yesterday) who were to blame, colo included.

    They all made some incredible, game saving plays, but they all had some dreadful misreadings

    We need to start planning for life without Colo. Unfortunately we’re still waiting on that other CB we desperately need 4 and a half years ago along with Colo

  • 196 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Catchy
    If AP went…..who would you bring in?

  • 197 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    Spreadthetoon //

    i see no difference between me saying i want us to lose so he will be sacked, or him playing defensive crap football not trying to win games, only trying not to lose

    and not looking ahead, will get you killed, waiting for things to happen is always a bad thing to,, in life you have to make things happen,, football is no different

    for me,, you can see it,, pardew is losing it anyway, not many more stressed ppl around right now,,

    and dont think for one minut its not ashley putting stress on him,, didnt he just get the dreaded vote not long ago

  • 198 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    short term

    beardsly

    long term ole gunner solksjær

  • 199 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    Catchy given that HBA was out for a good part of the start of the season and we were unbeaten for ages with ober in the team yeah I was happy. Pardews faith is paying off Ober looks a much improved player.
    Kids? really OK then Fergie Sammi and Bigi, Ranger as well till it all went to his head.
    Of course he has done well with HBA, he was poison in France and played well enough under Pardew to get into the World Cup squad. HBA would possibly be better in the centre but who would be as good as HBA on the right?
    And as for arguing with your manager, big deal. I have argued with every manager I ever had and have have argued with people working for me as a manager.As long as everyone still does their job it`s no big deal.
    Looking at the performance yesterday can you show me one player who looked like he did not fancy it yesterday. They played their arses off, that would not happen if Pardew had lost the dressing room

  • 200 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    Catchy
    Answered all your questions a few days back, you never responded to any of them hust start throwing insults around so yup its a taste of your own medicine so to speak, like i said you only have 3 modes
    Whinge
    Insult
    Then start offering to fight ppl outside
    You carry little other than opinion to back your “facts” then just repeat the same old crap about olé solskjear who’s unproven completly and has no spine, went running home sharpish enough when his board told him he’d gone without permission!

    So you just want bullet points
    Fifth in the league
    European football
    Got some of our forgotten men to transform and turn into valuable members of the squad ie rtaylor and perch and leon best all of whom were forgotton under hoots
    Signed some exciting young players, best youngsters for donkeys years in santon and bigi
    Got the board to reasses our yourh facilities
    Got players like tiote jonas and colo to sign long term contracts
    Finally got shola playing
    Handled the HBA injury fantastically and has coached him from prosoect to absolute talent
    We know he can get the team playing great football when he has the confidence to a more attacking style with the senior players available
    Has bought two of the most lethal CF’s in that we’ve seen at SJP for years
    Has great man management skills and thats been said by most the players
    Yohan cabaye!
    Vernum anita!
    Has hit his first rut but you can see in the last 5-6 performances that were starting to do the right things to turn it around and we’ll be climbing the table very soon

  • 201 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    Catchy
    If we had won yesterday….I think you would somehow pick holes in Pardew.

    I do not think anyone will be able to convince you, or be able to see you come to a more balanced rationale stance.

    So I understand, really I do…..you absolutely hate Pardew, vehemently…..perhaps even to the point where its unhealthy. Fair enough…….but get behind the players and lets hope for the best………it really is unbearable sometimes reading your posts….sorry :(

  • 202 HullMag6 // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    The signs for survival are optimistic, but yesterday highlighted a need to review/rethink the back four except santoon. Collo like Jonas in my mind are alike in good but were better in previous seasons.

  • 203 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    Spreadthetoon@201
    Spot on

  • 204 mattyNUFC // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    tads

    a lot of what you say is either conjecture or opinion to be honest…

    HBA prospect to absolute talent? The talent was there in my opinion, and he was ready ages before he got a run in the team. It took injuries to both raylor and obertan before he gave him a shot…much like santon….much like marvs

    the signings really had very little to do with him

    the upgrade to the facilities was already in the works when hughton was here….the only reason it was muttered was to say part of the 35mil was being spent, which, lets be honest, was a complete joke

    and the comment about ‘we know he can get the team to play attacking football with the right players’ is a load…..he did it yesterday! credit where credit is due, and i gave him plenty yesterday, but that’s a load of crap, man. wigan can do it…swansea can do it. even our second string is stronger than those teams starting 11. no excuse as to why we haven’t been playing a high pressing, passing game in his two years, especially with the players at his disposal.

    and his great man-management skills i find hard to buy into, personally. yeah, i know santon’s come out along with s taylor and praised him, but his handling of shola with this ACON situation just the latest bit, i think there have been plenty of disgruntlements in that dressing room that he and his team (rightly so) did not allow leaked.

    and really strange that he decided to let the little tiff with colo go public, at an awful time and for no apparent reason

    see, tads, it can all be interpreted in another way.

  • 205 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    Catchy
    Beardsley perhaps cos’ he knows the culture, staff, players and board……….

    Ole…..needs more time, done great things so far but its completely different to that of EPL……next NUFC appointment whenever that will be should have a really top top manager who can man manage big player, attract new ones and play attractive football…..I don’t think AP is that far off the mark but agree he has not had a good 1st half…..I am hoping for a lot lot better and I am encouraged by yesterday….truly….more of the same please but with a happy ending :) LOL

  • 206 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    199 tequilamag
    toonarmydownsouth 200

    i will reply, im just letting you know im packing up from work, im not hiding,
    i wont be back on the pc tonight, i have a 2 hour drive home but first i need to do a little shopping, so we are talking 3 hours,,

    but i have saved this page in my faves, to come back and answer you both

    what i will say is i opologise for any insults i have gave out , to you or anyone, you and everyone are entitled to your opinion regarless, as am i

    have a great night, both of you

    and on ole,, he is a winner, full stop,, won the league 2 years running, so it is no fluke, done it witha team that had not won in 101 years, so its not like he took over a top team,, that has to count for something

  • 207 check the toastie // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Personally think Pardew was extremely lucky Ben10 didnt throw his toys out his pram last year when he was bringing Sammy on instead of him. hmmmmmf.

    Ben10 got in the team when raylor got injured, and made Pardew look the clueless dick he is by carrying his defensively setup side in a few games. Never get this arrogance from people that Ben10 has improved as a player since he came, the lad won numerous trophies in france and was greatly thought of, ask Niafron about that.

    This Pardew has improved certain players is bullshit for me, Santon, played CL football at 18 for Mourinho, Pardew thought Raylor was a better option(clueless), Pardew thought/thinks Jonas is a better option than Marv(clueless). Thought Bigi early season was more useful than Anita(clueless). Fergy>Marv, Sammy>Marv, Last year many times Shola>Ben10,

    It is his total reluctance to embrace the technical quality footballer over the 100% journeyman type player that really makes me question his reasoning. He needs to trust his more technical players and start playing the ball around on the deck, it does seem he has started to try a little lately.

    Need to bin Ba and start playing Cisse through the middle and start putting players in their rightful positions.

  • 208 Jail for Ashley // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Catchy,
    I think you must be the only Toon fan (if you can call yourself a fan) on the planet that wishes we would be relegated to try to prove your point,be very careful what you wish for as there are no guarantees that AP will be sacked even if the unthinkable happens and we go down.

  • 209 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    mattyNUFC

    Some very valid points there, well balanced but painfully true……let’s hope yesterday is the turn of a new era! HWTL

  • 210 mattyNUFC // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    …and don’t get me wrong, i am not defending catchy.

    sorry, catchy, i was with you for along time but it’s gotten to the point where you’re just fuming mad AP is still manager (i am at times too) but it has shrouded every other facet of this club and you seem incapable of relinquishing the disdain.

    I hate pards, I do. I think he’s a cocky, arrogant, sometimes clueless manager who epitomizes mediocrity and self-preservation within modern football.

    but, there is nothing i can do about him being here, and if he really is here for 8 years, you have to hope that, like players do, he is capable of growing as not only coach but a man as well, because let’s be frank, there’s a lot left to be desired in that department as well.

    I really REALLY hope yesterday was a start because that is the BEST i have ever seen a team play under Pardew. Marveaux and Anita catalyzed everything good about that display and we really need to start imposing ourselves in matches, not switching tactics and formations every match because AP thinks himself a tactical genius. You press high, you work hard, it will always end up entertaining stuff and yesterday was.

  • 211 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    go blow it out your ass,, you ass :)

    i have never got what i wish for so why is now different,, cos it could happen??

    are you afraid

  • 212 Spreadthetoon // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    mattynufc / checkthetoastie

    Some great posts there….now I think last night was the best performance of our season……has AP learnt anything from this?
    Would AP have played Jonas if he was fit……where does he see Marv and Oberatan…..for me they are starters every time at the moment based on form!

  • 213 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM

    mattyNUFC

    dont worry

    i know you see the real picture, your not blinded by his false words,

    i have said,, i was proud of my team yesterday,, for the first time in a long time,,

  • 214 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Matty
    Its opinion that benny was ready, benny is the only person who said he was, the coaching staff as a whole felt he wasn’t ready and didnt understand the mentality of the league, and looking at the benny who made cameos and the benny who arrived for the second half of the season i’d say they were right
    As for only being a prospect, maybe i wasn’t clear, all the raw talent has always been there, but no club could get anything out of him ffs he was like a french nile ranger, pardew has taken him calmed his temper and even got him playing with the confidence and attitude to earn a call up to the euros

    The youth development wasn’t going anywhere with hoots he barely used our youth and only used ranger then carroll out of desperation in the fizzy pop, he was gonna sell carroll when we got relegated to wigan!

    Of course anything can be viewed different but somethings are view slightly different and others are viewed how others want to see them to fit there arguement ie catchy and his boring bandwagon

  • 215 mattyNUFC // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    JfA

    I think it is more of a surety that AP would stay if we went down versus if we were to finish 11th-17th this year, honestly

    of course he’s MA’s mouth piece, but I also believe that if MA feels we won’t go any further, he’ll make the change. If it is two years of 11th-17th place finishes, no doubt he’ll bring in someone new. do i think he’d (MA) would be happy if we were kind of a yo-yo club….5th one year, 13th the next, 6th the next, 15th the next….yeah, i think he’d be content, but consecutive years of dross i don’t think he’d be alright with. it was after all why they gave CH the sack (supposedly)

    who the **** really knows though, haha

  • 216 Jail for Ashley // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:08 PM

    Catchy,
    You were proud of your team for the first time in a long time yet you probably cheered on 90 mins because you are happy go see us lose,you seem like a very bitter and angry individual.

  • 217 check the toastie // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Well as i have previously stated, Pardew should be sacked on the spot if Jonas ever plays left wing again, he offers nothing there.

    Holding Midfielder or full back only position now for Gutti, personally would try and sell him, however as Pardew has just convinced Del Boy and Mike to extend his contract he is on thin ice with that one, dropped a bollock there.

  • 218 mattyNUFC // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    tads

    of course it’s opinion, that’s what i was saying about your bullet points

    don’t really agree about ‘raw’ talent either. he was petulant but i highly doubt pards has ‘moulded’ him in a way his managers at lyon and marseille, not to mention clairfontaine, were unable to.

    do you believe the youth development going somewhere no to be down to AP or the board? Of course it’s the board, due to both their action of bringing in more players with promise and their inaction of not bringing in senior players

    and hoots not playing youngsters?? Kadar? Ranger? Carroll? Guthrie? Not like he had a whole crop of talented youngsters to choose from now, did he? 95% of the youngsters here under CH have gone and are now playing non-league, with Blyth, or in Iceland. not really fair to say that

    anyway, all moot points i suppose. the real issue remains: will AP push on from the performance or are we in store for the monotonous crap we’ve been subject to for far too long…….stay tuned

  • 219 Joe Blog // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Catchy is a right weirdo.

  • 220 mattyNUFC // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    spread

    agree about marveaux and obertan. right now, they need and deserve to be starting

    time will tell with obertan, but if he can turn his decent cameos into full performances for 90 minutes- something he’s had a lot of trouble with in the past- we could be well on our way.

  • 221 Tommyy // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    3 signings and the french back and we’re in serious business. Lets just hope it happens and sooner rather than later.
    My Man Utd mate was laughing at how poor our squad is yesterday, saying he couldn’t believe how we went from being a strong side last season to such a shambles this one. He also agreed that they are looking weak this season aswell.
    It’s just embarrassing that other fans see us as poor and an easy win at the moment, frustrates me no end but I can’t even defend us right now, apart from the worn out injuries excuse that noone takes seriously anyway due to other teams getting them also.

  • 222 check the toastie // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    TADS – last year ben10 came back in the Man City away game, he was excellent, we then played Man Utd away again he was pretty good, we played Chelski at home and Pardew subbed Benny at half time in preference to subbing Lovenkrands. (my god).

    Benny was then exiled from the team for some time, harshly wrongly and stubbornly. I would imagine on recommendation from Carver as benny pisses around in training. Scored a wonder goal against Blackburn in the cup and then is subbed when we need a one on the next round at Brighton baffling stuff…..

    He has improved the lads defending thats all, who gives a shit as thats not what he should be doing, if he is using energy helping Simmo then that takes its toll when he receives it going forward, personally if Ben10 was to move on to another club he would score double the goals as he would be used much further up the pitch.

  • 223 Sav // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    If Simmo was that bad, how come almost all the most telling Manc attacks came down out left? They were targeting Santon as a weak link and often Colo gets dragged out to back him up with Jonas not there to cover for him. I like Santon, too. But only when he’s going forward. Unfortunately, I’m old-fashioned enough to believe that is not a full-back’s main job. And the midfield (good as they were) were seriously at fault for at least 2 goals by allowing uncontested shots from the edge of the area.

  • 224 Nufc-83 // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    As soon as simmo and willo are out the side i think we will see a huge improvement. I think when Jonas is back he will unfortunately walk back in the side.

  • 225 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:29 PM

    Matty
    Like i said mate ranger and carroll he had no choice but to play them, kadar barely featured and guthrie waa bought from liverpool was hardly a player mate
    Pardew done a completly different job with benny than his managers at OM and lyon
    They hated the lad so much so that now deschamps is the national coach theres no hope in hell benny will ever get a call up!

  • 226 Sazzer // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    News is today Aubameyang turned down Fiorentina in hope of move to Premier League. It’s said to be Aston Villa as a replacement for Bent. But we were linked yesterday in France. If they let this one go they better have Remy lined up.

    They should get both us if Ba leaves.

  • 227 kevymartins // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:31 PM

    Anyone here know anything about getting a refund after the 45 day dispute period on ebay?

    My sister orderd my nephew a laptop on oct 17th and when he opened it on xmas day it was faulty did not work

  • 228 Sazzer // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    key
    nope

  • 229 mattyNUFC // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM

    tads

    blah blah blah. kadar had 15 appearances under CH. argue all you want, it won’t make me believe AP is the prime catalyst for HBAs success. accept it. move on.

  • 230 Dannyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:43 PM

    @matty
    Looked at how Tevez was at West Ham, then you look at how he treated Mancini.
    U can’t come here and tell me that AP is not the biggest factor in the success of HBA and Perch most noteably.

  • 231 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    Matty
    Alreet calm down you were argueing yours im arguing mine if you didnt want to get into dont comment on it
    And kadr aye fine piece of scouting there
    15 appearences wow in what 76 games really impressed him like

  • 232 AwToonnufc // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:48 PM

    Not keen on Pardew saying it was the inexperience in midfield that cost us. That midfield played the some of the best football that we’ve played all season, Marveaux was man of the match for me, they actually passed the ball up the pitch with fluency and control and played in our strikers. Our shocking defence cost us, Williamson and Simpson, We would have a very strong team if we had a solid RB and another top class CB.

  • 233 Alan Pas-de-clue // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    3 in 3 for inman at crewe, good goalscorer that lad

  • 234 gaz 44 // Dec 27, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    i actually thought marvaeux was poor

  • 235 ToonDownSouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    gaz

    I don’t agree that he was as good as most have been making out. He didn’t get on the ball anywhere near as much as he should have done – though that’s obviously not entirely down to him.

    The thing about Marveaux is that he never gives the ball away, and when he gets possession in a god area, he usually makes it count for something threatening.

  • 236 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Check
    I agree that he did look good in those sub appearences and rare starts but still think there was a more greedy side to him, not disimilar to the one Ba is getting stick for the last couple of games
    He never looked to pass or get a cross in and held the ball for hours in the box instead if hyst laying it off or hitting one, although i fully understand why he was taken off at brighton he was shocking!
    Vasically think he came back a better player n at the right time gave our last push of the season a real lift but think it was necessary to hold him back and make sure he’s 100% ready physically and mentally to come back

  • 237 kevymartins // Dec 27, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Any news on anita?

  • 238 gaz 44 // Dec 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM

    thought he was a passenger for vast spells of the game. especially when manure was hitting us hard in second half.. got done by gigs for page at 1 point too.. i just think some people on here have been callng for him t start that asson as he did was gonna b man of match

  • 239 Dannyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 4:59 PM

    @kevy
    Most likely back for Everton, deffo out of Arsenal.
    Only bad bruising, nothing broken or torn.

  • 240 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    Evening girls, how are we doing?

  • 241 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:09 PM

    Evening Ibiza, not too bad. Hope you’ve had an enjoyable Xmas period (defeat aside)

  • 242 89Norcal // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Ibiza

    Just going through the usual blame game rotation – Pardew, Willo, Simmo, Coloccini, etc

  • 243 Joe Blog // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Catchy today gained his Phd in “I told you so.”. Remarkably, on the same day that almost everyone else was honoured with a knighthood in “I’m not listening.”.

  • 244 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:11 PM

    Ruddy…I did have an enjoyable time, very relaxed, lots of food and drink…what could go wrong???

    Didn’t watch the whole game the other day, but we seemed to be attacking with intent, which was good to see. 4-3 loss with a fight is not something to be down about imo. The season is far from over.

    I hope you had an enjoyable festive time.

  • 245 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:13 PM

    Norcal…That shocks me :)

    Joe…Is it possible you’ve found someone you detest more than Ruddy and I? Leav

  • 246 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    Leav??

    Ermmm…yeah, I was going to end that comment with leave, cos that would make sense. Good job Ibiza.

  • 247 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:17 PM

    Joe, how very droll 😛

    If the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and Catchy is an enemy of Joe/Beardo/Jiz does that mean that Joe is my friend? Shudder at the thought 😛

    Ibiza

    I didn’t watch any of the football yesterday and in some way I am glad I didn’t, it could have ruined my Xmas which was also very quiet and enjoyable, splurged to epic proportions. 😀

  • 248 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:19 PM

    Ruddy…Joe is one of us now, accept it and move on :)

    You didn’t watch any? What sort of fan are you then? I bet you don’t even know where Newcastle is? Do you have any NUFC tattoos? Thought as much 😉

  • 249 89Norcal // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    lol Joe :D. I had another groggy argument with catchy before going to bed last night.

    I thought it was funny how Indian, catchy, and toastie all checked in at the exact same time. They must schedule these things after their meetings in the woods where they burn effigies of Pardew.

  • 250 Jail for Ashley // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    Finally had enough of Catchy,got so wound up at the thought of him being happy we lost yesterday as I walked home in a rage last night,and for him to say that he wants us relegated for the greater good surely discounts him as a fan of NUFC.

  • 251 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Ibiza

    I love the old classics, reminds me of a time when I was such a figure of hate on the blog, ahhh memories :)

    Well I had family get togethers to go to, seeing my nearest and dearest who don’t feel as strongly as NUFC as I do, so I was gladly outnumbered, given how the game went it wouldn’t have been good for the blood pressure especially after the Xmas festivities.

    Joe, welcome to the brood 😀

  • 252 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    Tads

    Deschamps did call Benny up.

    Plus Benny won 5 league championships in France, so don’t know how AP was benny’s big saviour. Quite the reverse. Benny’s brilliance when he finally got a game largely helped us shoot up to 5th.

  • 253 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    An argument with Catchy? What has been happening on is blog??

    That reminds me, Catchy was talking about the bust up between Pardew and Colo and implied that it was about the teams defensive style. Has that been confirmed or was it an assumption to suit an argument as I’ve not seen those details?

  • 254 Jail for Ashley // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    The family of Geordie Man U fans in the bar didnt help my rage gauge either mind.

  • 255 89Norcal // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:25 PM

    Ruddy

    pssst, Newcastle is in the west midlands 😉

    Ibiza

    Thats my issue, people contributing individual mistakes to Pardew’s coaching. Pardew was god awful with his tactics through Sep/Nov, but he’s picked it up.

    But he chose the worst string of games to do that, and the injuries….Our entire starting midfield is injured.

  • 256 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM

    Jail….It is an amazing way to “support” a team. I guess we’re just not as enlightened as Catchy. I do wonder what would happen to not only manager. but all these players that we have that Pardew should be doing better with if we were relegated?!?!?

    Ruddy…They were simpler times. Well I’m glad you had a good day and managed to maintain that merry feeling. Tbh, i’d drunk enough by that point to feel no pain :)

  • 257 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    Ibiza,

    I know you’re a Pardew man, but several players, most notably Colo our capatain and Ba our leading scorer either confronted or cited Pardew over his long ball, negative stifling tactics and hey presto, yesterday we played the best football of the season, albeit in defeat. So go figure!

  • 258 Marty-Toon // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:27 PM

    You lads are off yer heeds
    A big/ top manager coming to toon after AP’s days are up??
    Not gonna happen,Mourinho and other so called top managers also want a top kitty when they come in and make their own brand of player squad- unde MA that’ll not happen.
    I like the way he’s running the club but of course we all agree 15 million for a few heads would ave made the difference in the summer.
    Would ye rather Brendan Rogers or Lambert?
    I wouldn’t have minded Laudrup to be honest but MA will allow AP to stay as long as we stay up and gradually sell players to take in new ones,hoping tat eventually the team is competing in the right end of the league.
    We’ve a good team and a decent squad but we’re 2/3 payers off a team that could n should be up there.
    Nothing AP can do bout Simmo or Willo,that’s who he was stuck with and before ye say Tav is there,he just isn’t ready and few of our young players are.
    Bigi is probably the only one and Fergie is close

  • 259 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    Ibiza

    Is that what I’ve been missing all these years as a NUFC fan? Booze…ahhh it all makes sense now, the best way to support the Toon is in a state perpetual inebriation! 😛

    Norcal

    Cheers mate, it could have been embarrassing there for a second 😛

  • 260 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    I think catchy is being a bit misquoted here.

    he wants pardew gone before we get relegated, not as a result of it.

  • 261 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Norcal….There have been many many things wrong this season and everyone needs to take some blame. I agree though, there has been improvement lately (albeit in games where we were next to screwed before we’d even kicked a ball), so surely that deserves some encouragement? Sorry, what am I saying? Pardew out! Newcastle down! Catchy for manager!

  • 262 89Norcal // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Rotonda

    He changed them before he was confronted, Colo seemed annoyed that they reverted to it late in the game and basically subs with that intention; by bringing on Shola.

    That’s why I’m not calling for Pards’ head yet. Unless we get Guardiola….I think firing him would compound the problem.

  • 263 Joe Blog // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    I’m still slightly on the side of thinking Pardew is floundering and repeating the patterns of his previous jobs, so I’m still inclined to want rid, but there are shoots of recovery, so I could easily tilt the other way and be in the dreaded middle, come the end of the season, willing to overlook this season as a necessary part of his learning curve, should we recover to a 8th-12th placed finish.

    I don’t think some of our stellar players, despite them being partly responsible, will have the same view and will be off regardless, without us ever seeing this squad extract it’s full potential.

    Catchy is just a case of – “No matter what side of an argument you’re on, you always find some people on your side that you wish were on the other side. “

  • 264 Kyo // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:30 PM

    Just like to point out that all my criticism and “negativity” is for the good of the team and club. However, I never ever EVER want us to get relegated. Catchy you are an F’n disgrace and most likely a troll. Please go away.

  • 265 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:31 PM

    Rotonda…Ideally yes, but he knows MA wont fire him so now relegation is the only way. Is that a better quote of the good man?

  • 266 Jail for Ashley // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Marty toon ,
    I find it strange that you still like the way the club is run even though the 15M wasn’t found to propel us forward I just think you can’t have it both ways .

  • 267 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:32 PM

    Marty toon,

    we need a continental manager like a laurent blanc

  • 268 89Norcal // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:33 PM

    Ibiza

    Right, no one was criticizing Pards last season when we played the most attractive football we have in a few years. There were two fundamental issues that occurred:

    1) We foolishly bought another out & out ST, who now clashes with the other
    2) We did not invest where we needed it in the summer, and let deals die over 500k-1m

    Pardew is not blameless; he needed to be harder on the Dembas, but he’s not the only to blame.

    As I said, what other team has their entire starting midfield out with injury?

  • 269 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Joe….Sounds a little like fence sitting :) Truth is I don’t think there is one nufc fan who thinks Pardew is the best manager going and that he makes no mistakes, but, given our owner abd set up, Pardew is pretty decent. Yes we look to our 5th place position of last season as a reason to give him some time and no there are no guarantees he can do it again, but that he should be given a chance to get through a rough patch (perhaps a long rough patch). Would I have preferred someone else to Pardew after they fired Hoots, you bet, but since arriving I feel he’s done more good than bad.

    Anyway, I’ve bored myself now, so I’ll stop.

    Anyone have any info about Colo?

  • 270 Mister Tuff // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:38 PM

    Rotonda @252
    How can you say that the Chosen One (also known as Percy Parsnip) had nothing to do with the emergence of Benny as our star player.
    I’ve heard rumours that Percy taught Benny to dribble, as he did not know how to beforehand. Later Benny became the star player after Percy sprinlked him with his magic pixie dust. This cannot be denied -there are no witnesses to say it did not happen. At this moment in time I am trying to sell some quality dog harnesses -which give better control of dogs that “pull”. So if any Percy supporters are interested let me know -they can be easily adapted to fit your guide dogs.

  • 271 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    Rotonda
    Did he? Didnt think he’d played for the national squad since his bust up with blanc at the euro’s knew he’d been named in a provisional squad but thought he’d been cut

  • 272 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    ibiza

    I think it could only happen to us. Probably our best ever squad, defence apart, but not the quality manager
    to match it.

    I think if we go down we won’t come back in a hurry this time and that would be disaster and not a price worth paying to get rid of pardew. However, if Pardew stays a lot of our stellar players will want out.

  • 273 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM

    Norcal…All teams have injuries, but we have been near the very top of the injury league all season and that will have an impact. Not even saying it’s the biggest factor but a factor none the less.

    Catchy keeps saying that with out team we should be 8th, well how many points off are we? if we get back to 5th will Catchy shut up? Why am I even asking that? Can he shut up?

  • 274 tequilamag // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:41 PM

    Mr Tuff dog harnesses encourage dogs to pull. You could always try training a dog rather than going for a quick fix solution which will not work.

  • 275 Joe Blog // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:43 PM

    Ibiza

    I don’t know what’s got into me, coming over all considerate and mellow.

  • 276 89Norcal // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Ibiza

    I was hoping Santa would bring our trolls Chinese finger traps this Xmas. Apparently he didn’t.

  • 277 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:45 PM

    Rotonda….Where is this top players will want out if pardew stays coming from? I keep asking about the Colo incident as it seems I’ve missed something where it says what they actually fell out about.

    I’m not going to speculate whether we’ll make it back up or not if we relegated, no one thought we would last time either. I get the fact that most of the players would likely leave this time, but we can chat about that as and when we’re in the relegation zone and not approximately half a season from finishing.

    Pardew is still learning his trade really. He’s not really had a chance to get past the rough stages at any of his clubs, plus he’s never had EL to contend with. It’s a learning curve, nothing to say he will learn, but why all of a sudden are we too good for Pardew? Because he helped assemble the team as far as I’m aware.

  • 278 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:46 PM

    ibiza

    if we played like we did yesterday, injuries or not, we would have murdered all teams we’ve just been losing to.

    In fact some injuuries though not been wished on anyone have finally opened the door for the likes of marveaux rather like when Raylor got injured last season and benny finally got called in.

  • 279 Mister Tuff // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    Joe Blog @275 – strange what happened to you. Similar thing happened to a mate a mine called Dave a few years ago.He is now called Daphne.

  • 280 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Joe…All of the joy and happiness of Christmas must be getting to you. We can fix this though. Fear not.

    Norcal…Santa doesn’t bring gifts for people on the naughty list. It was never going to work…sadly.

    On Pardew making Benny a better player….No one is saying he made gave him all of his skill and talent or that he was some third rate player before. But since working with Pards his commitment to the team has improved, as has his work rate, his attitude. Some of that will be down to his injury and time away from playing, but Pardew has helped to make him a more complete player and not just an attacking threat.

  • 281 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Ibiza

    equally you have to question why does he keep running in to rough patches. he’s 52 how long is ths learning curve exactly?

    ba had openly said last week in the media he was fed up with hoofball and then before the qpr game colo had a spat with pardew over the long ball tactic. Coincidence we’ve played much better since, I don’t think so.

  • 282 Joe Blog // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM

    Mister Tuff

    Are you implying females are the more considerate and mellow gender? Where’s this paradise you’ve found?

  • 283 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:56 PM

    ibiza

    Good managers would base a team around benny as a playmaker, not ask him to track back out on the wing covering simpson all the time. Benny is a 5 time league champion. Pardew said he (pardew) and Colo were winners and were entitled to argue. Pardew is not a winner and never has been.

    We’re playing better but if that’s down to the captain and others finally having had enough, then pardew’s more of a puppet than ever.

  • 284 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 5:58 PM

    Rotonda…I think the difference here is that you think because players like Benny last season or Marveaux this season, is that them having ability means they are ready and should just be played regardless. There is no way to know whether they would have had the same impact or whether even them at 80% (say) would have helped the team more. It’s all guesswork really. I don’t believe Pardew has anything against either of these two players, he can see more in them than most of the players and wants to see them at their best so is trying to get them to work.

    I used to have a teacher at school who drove me completely nuts. I was always in the top group in the class, yet would always be made example of. It wasn’t until years later when I saw her and asked why she had it in for me that she said something along the lines of “You were a good student, but lazy. With little effort you got by and it was frustrating to watch. I was trying to push you to achieve your potential”.

    I’m guessing here as I’ve never discussed this with Pardew, but it makes sense to me as both have been known to be very talented yet a bit lazy.

  • 285 Rotonda heights // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    mister tuff

    superb, nearly fell off my chair !!!

  • 286 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Rotonda…All managers have rough patches, what’s your point?

    I think I remember him saying he wanted to play Benny in a CAM role when he first arrived. I guess circumstances have prevented this. Not having suitable wingers. Issues with two strikers as it is (this opens a bigger debate). I think Pardew felt he had time and is taking a slow and steady approach. He may have been better suited to fast track his ideas, but he obviously adopts a cautious approach when he’s unsure and only unleashes ideas when it’s ready.

    I saw the Ba quotes, didn’t know Colo had said it was about long ball tactics. When did that come out?

  • 287 Joe Blog // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:09 PM

    “I used to have a teacher at school who drove me completely nuts. I was always in the top group in the class, yet would always be made example of. It wasn’t until years later when I saw her and asked why she had it in for me that she said something along the lines of “You were a good student, but lazy. With little effort you got by and it was frustrating to watch. I was trying to push you to achieve your potential”.”

    Ibiza

    We have that in common, at least. Lots of truancy, messing about in classes, generally going off the rails, yet I still achieved better grades than 80% of my year group and somehow managed to get a B in English GCSE, despite never reading the book the exam was based on 😆 That’s dumbing down of exams for ya’!

    I’m still paying for and rectifying it now though, at 23, to my regret, despite the wild escapades and laughs being a rebel brought. Being an A* student with an F attitude, you’ll only ever achieve frustrating, relative mediocrity.

    I think the penny has dropped with Benny now though, too, and he wants to be the best he can be.

  • 288 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    Joe…This is just getting too unsettling. Let me guess, you are stunningly handsome to boot?

  • 289 Joe Blog // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM

    I should add, I think some of that is down to just maturing with age and Pardew has helped guide him. It’s immeasurable as to which has contributed the most.

  • 290 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:12 PM

    Joe…@289….Very true. He would be maturing at this time anyway, but pardews guidance has to have played some part.

  • 291 catchy in norway // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:13 PM

    Hey guys half way home

    Yes me R heights, I’m very miss quoted , and I think if ppl take the time to read through my posts they will not find me saying I want us relegated
    They will see I said he will get us relegated, they will also see I said Ashley will not let that happen, he would sack Pardew to protect his investment, even if Pardew was on 2 mil a year which I bet he is no where near that , paying him 16 million is a hell of a lot cheaper than losing 60mil a year , I said was was happy to lose matches if it ment he would gone quicker,
    Me suggesting score lines of 5-0 is what I think the score will be, and hey they scored 4

    But jail don’t let the facts get in the way of you telling a good storey about you walking home in the pissing rain ; crying your eyes out, looking up to the stars screaming why why , it’s all catchys fault

    We have 2 extremes here you lot blindly following Pardew , making excuses for his excuses, and some of us that see through the guy,

    I said it earlier, jonas hit the nail on the head yesterday, he said parsnip reminds him of marodona, I nearly pissed myself.
    We all know he isn’t talking about them as footballers, maradono is possibly one of the greatest footballers on the planet, he was talking about managing, and if ever there was a back handed slap a cross the face that was it, did maradono get the job as the national coach because of his managerial skill or who he is? It’s like saying you as good as supermac, good footballer shit manager

    Loving it, jail keep it up , your very entertaining ,

  • 292 Joe Blog // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    Ibiza

    I’m grateful for my genes, let’s say 😉

  • 293 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM

    Catchy…So you’ve never said I hope we lose or hope we get relegated to see Pardew be fired?

    You can say lots of things, some of them contradictory.

    Just because you can illustrate you’ve said one thing at one time, doesn’t mean you haven’t said something completely different at another time.

    You may not want us to lose or be relegated, but given that you felt there is no other way to get rid of pardew, that is exactly what you have said at times.

    I don’t think you’re being misquoted, but maybe your misrepresenting yourself.

  • 294 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Dec 27, 2012 at 6:18 PM

    Joe….We may well be long lost brothers or the same person. Hmm….I’m out of here.

    Take it easy everyone :)




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