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Alan Pardew – We Ran Out Of Steam (Again!)

10:03 pm, Saturday, December 29th, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 121 Comments

Alan Pardew after the game said what most Newcastle fans were aware of – that Newcastle ran out of stream – and that’s not for the first time this season the Newcastle defense has collapsed late in a game, when we had a chance of getting a point or more.

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Alan Pardew – we ran out of steam

This is what the Newcastle manager said after the game:

“I thought when we got back to 3-3 we should have shut up shop.” “The last 15-20 minutes was a fresh team against a tired team and perhaps a bit of inexperience on our bench resulted in the scoreline.”

“We’re just so disappointed that we didn’t get something out of it before then.” “The goals we conceded before then were not, not good and that’s been our problem.”

“For 70 minutes it was pretty tight, I thought we were giving a good account of ourselves, but their freshness and the brightness towards the end of the game was just too much for us, and we couldn’t cope.”

These comments after the game are getting repetitive – and it’s all about not lasting the course and conceding poor goals – and if we keep doing this we’ll sink even further down the league table.

And we were concerned before the game, that when it got late Newcastle may leak some goals, which today they did dramatically with three goals conceded in the last six minutes of the 90 minutes, and Giroud hit the cross-bar too in added time, otherwise he would have had a hat trick in a 10 minute spell.

But then again he will not be playing against a very tired Newcastle defense every week.

So what happens now against Everton at home?

Are we going to collapse again late in the game – and of course Everton are the experts at coming on late in games – and they always have a never say die attitude.

It seems to us that some of the Newcastle players may not even be for fit enough – and we’ve made too many excuses for our defense these last couple of months when we’ve lost seven of the last nine league games – and we have to remember we’ve only got Steven Taylor missing – although Mike Williamson was suspended today.

It’s not as if we have four new players playing at the back.

We need at least two new defenders brought in during the January transfer window, and our attacking play in the last two games has been good – very good in fact – and although we didn’t expect any points from the last two games – we didn’t expect to score three goals in each of the game either.

Fix the defense and we could still come away this season and climb the league table, but we need to see a committed effort from our players on Wednesday night against Everton – and a much better performance from our defense – and that goes for the whole match – right through to the end of added time.

What do you think?

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121 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Toon1978 // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    Buy some player. Strengthen the squad.

  • 2 archaeomag // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:08 PM

    The Curse of W@nga strikes again . . .

  • 3 daffy // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:09 PM

    Alright lads ?
    Just been watching some old classics this aft , Magnificent 7 & 7 Brides for 7 Brothers
    Any news ?

  • 4 Spellcheck // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    Damn sure the relentless,extra long play,repetitive record of negativity towards our great club that is Catchy knob jockey will av an opinion? HWTL true supporters!!!

  • 5 nightfa11 // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:10 PM

    ok..pardew seem a good person..hes probably a good man..i wish him well..but he manages like hes afraid of mediocre teams & starts panicking when things dont go well…& thats not what a big club needs..sorry.. seriously..he defends against west ham, norwich, etc..but goes all out attack against man utd, city, arsenal,.. what is he? trying to prove SAF that newcastle still has surprise factor?=D

    summary: pardew out..di matteo in..

  • 6 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    Exactly. Our attacking play has been nothing short of fantastic at times. We need to fix the defense. I for one would be happy as hell with a boring 0-0 or sluggish 1-0 against Everton if it meant that we had sealed the gaping hole of our defence.
    We can not concede as many goals as we have been and expect to win. Entertainers style football doesn’t work anymore. Or not with our luck anyway.

    We need 2 defenders in January, and tighten the defence, then we will be fine.

  • 7 Graeme // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    With a minimum of TWO good CB’s who can walk straight into the team, most (NOT ALL) of our problems will be alleviated. Collo needs a rest, he has been doing the work of 3 and it has cost him dearly. Williamson and Saylor can be sold leaving us with 2 new CB’s, Collo, Good and Perchino which should be far better than we have now.

  • 8 jimiley // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:12 PM

    We were tired because we played two games in a few days. We lost because we were tired. When we get back to playing a game every 7 days we will be fine.

  • 9 veto // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:18 PM

    di matteo in ? omg , hah , no thanks .
    pard’s aint doing to bad with what he’s been given

  • 10 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:20 PM

    Does we ran out of steam mean we are not fit enough. When Notts Forest won European Cup they played 84 matches with a squad of just 17 players. We just have not got enough quality. Graeme is spot on but it won’t happen because MA will want to sell the little quality we have to raise money for replacements NOT add to the squad. We have too many sicknotes like Saylor & too many wimps like Willo, Gosling & Obertan and youngsters just arn’t ready

  • 11 AmeobiTheMackemSlayer // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:21 PM

    Hell no to Di Matteo. Most overrated manager ever!
    These excuses are getting boring, Pardew needs to grow some bollocks and demand that money is spent in January. I couldn’t give a solitary s*** how much money is spent. At the end of the day. More money is lost being relegated then spending £20,000,000 on quality players.

  • 12 joeytoon // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    we are not good enough defensively, IT WAS SCHOOLBOY DEFENDING,
    i will say it again
    we got away with murder at times last season,it was unbelievably obvious to ANYONE that we needed to sign 3/4 quality players in the summer,
    ashley runs nufc football company ,and thats what it is to him,
    Llambias wouldnt know a footballer if he kicked him in the bollocks,
    i sincerely hope that the embarrasing humiliation of the last 20 mins,finally convinces the fat one that we need to spend 20/25 million to stay in this division,
    invest 20/25 million to get 92 million at the end of the season
    invest nothing in january and you will get nothing ……..except relegation

    we look good going forward and have proved that we can score goals but an extra GOALSCORER is imperative
    simmo willo and gutts must go they are not good enough

  • 13 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    To create steam we need fire in our bellies for 90 + 5 minutes! Quality creates time. Quality players don’t have to run around like blue arsed flies

  • 14 jimiley // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    It is no good throwing good money after bad. Jan is never a good time to buy. This squad is good enuf for mid table and we should be happy with that. No need to panic. keep the faith in Alan.

  • 15 manxpie // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    bad end result obviously but we matched them for most of the game with a totally depleted squad with only 2 days TRAINING,REST AND TACTIC ANALYSIS some “fans” are shocking on here and i only hope this blog doesn’t amount to the majority of our fan base!
    willo the “sunday league player” in the team today we imo wouldn’t have conceded that many!
    jonas has been massive loss i remember arguing with transfer sage about the support he brings to our left backs wether it be santon raylor or joe bloggs he sure as hell shores up that side!
    we’ve prooved over the last couple of games that we can score goals but i think not only under perdew but since hughton we haven’t had a balanced side defencevly or in midfield and the only people to blame for that is ashley and lamearse!

  • 16 Harley // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:25 PM

    We’ll be ok once we get out players back fit. It’s hard to take at the minute but we’ll sort if out.

    Arsenal leaked 7 last season as did Man U, it can happen.

    In 2013 a midfield of cabaye, Anita and tiote/bigi, with a front 3 of ba/cisse, marveaux and Ben Arfa will get us up the table. Not to mention any incoming players.

    We’ll finish top 8!

  • 17 stuart no9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    At 3-3 we were doing ok- pardew is seen on camera shouting”no more goals” which was confirmed in his interview. Whatever he meant by it proves his tactics were totally wrong – not just this game but all season. Pards is a loser , that goes without saying, he needs to go . We could have a good side , give or take a couple of players, if he left.

  • 18 jimiley // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Harley, We could finish top 6 if we get a bit of luck for a change

  • 19 Graeme // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Ameobi @ 20 – that is the bottom line and I believe our Illustrious Owner will be made well aware of this fact in the next few days.

    An investment of £20 million over the next 2 weeks will rescue this season; It will bed the incoming players and ensure we hit the ground running next season with a top 6 target.

    There is NO reason it cannot be achieved

  • 20 jimiley // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    Arsenal game showed that Ba is selfish and nowhere near as good as Cisse. The sooner Ba goes the better.

  • 21 Graeme // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:31 PM

    sorry, Ameobi at 11 lol

  • 22 manxpie // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:31 PM

    also i’d love to here from readers that don’t post to actually get a fuller oppinion on this blog because in the voting posts there’s a hell of alot of votes too the people that actually post!

  • 23 keeganjr // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    i blame that fat pr… ashley also… We where lucky last season+ we where a tight unit that worked hard for the team.. we should have built on that and get 5-6 bodies in too make the challenge and cover stronger.. not buy defenders was the biggest mistake we have done for some years, and we have done many mistakes.. Its a must now too buy 4-6 players in january.. DO WE?? ehhh no

  • 24 BelfastMagpie // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:32 PM

    I hope he doesn’t bring Jonas back like.

    We’ve been able to keep the ball for a change the last few games & we’re far quicker going forward too.

    We need a centre half & a new right back.
    Jonas ain’t the answer to our problems.

  • 25 sirtoongospel // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    If Cissé is to be used on the wing, then we need a f***ing belter of a RB. Simpson needs looking after never mind left with a novice in front of him.

    We need 3 defenders. Going forward we were great and showed enough to win plenty games. But our defence is shite.

  • 26 Marty-Toon // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:34 PM

    Tell me what manager could have got more out of our team today?
    Would they be able to have better players on the bench?
    Would they be able to get our team to have better fitness after the amount of games our injury plagued squad has played lately?
    I’m not AP’s biggest fan by a long shot but he has hem playing the best attacking football we’ve played in 2years.
    We’re useless defensively but he can’t do anything about it without getting the players he wants.
    You can’t make Simmo or Willo better than they are atthe moment,they’ve probably reached the heights of the quality available to them.
    Putting in Streete or Tavernier who are not ready is not the answer.
    Sacking AP isn’t the answer either as who are we gonna get in?
    The likes of Mc Leish/Curbishley/Keane/Strachan or someone of Psycho’s ability?
    Get a fec-in grip lads
    We’re in the deep sh1t and it’ll be with AP and the mugs in the boardroom

  • 27 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Keep talking sense Graeme. To do nothing in January is not an option. Have these beggers talking about 6th or 8th been drinking – they’ll be talking about Champions League next blog. Accept it we are without Saylor, Cabaye & Bennie to end of Jan also Tiote African Nations. Anita, Gutierrez several weeks & Raylor to end of season. No need to worry then!

  • 28 Toon1978 // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    On a positive Marveaux and andd the youngin where really good.

  • 29 pedro // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:35 PM

    Comical defending today even before “running out of steam”. A shame because for large parts of the game I thought we passed the ball around well against a full strength Arsenal team. Scoring 3 goals is good and Marveaux’s pass for the third was sublime but to concede like we did was shambolic.
    Its a frustrating season. We have not played well at all and now I see us trying to pass the ball. With some additions defensively and a fit Ben Arfa and Cabaye back in the mix I think we have a great team.
    The quick fix of sacking Pardew maybe great if we had a quality replacement but I really struggle to think of someone who is realistic. Most managers are either in jobs or would be unwilling to work under Ashley. We would more than likely end up with someone like Kinnear. Some other suggestions are crap -Di Matteo is no better in my opinion.
    The commentators for the game here in Argentina kept talking about Coloccini. According to them, San Lorenzo have the money available (I find this hard to believe) and will move in the next few days.

  • 30 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:36 PM

    we are were we are because we have played like this for 20 games now,,

    26 goals for
    37 against
    5 wins
    5 draws
    10 defeats
    this same defence kept 15 clean sheets last season, so why is it so bad this season
    now i can accept us losing ground on the top 5 because of lack of signings,, but come on guys, we lost no one, not one of our big players

    you carnt come on here and say yes we were great at man u then blame the team for falling to bits a few days later, you carnt have it both ways to suit your argument

    we are here because we have played like this for 20 games, no just the last 2

    i think your clutching at straws to say we are improving
    wiggan v 10 men we won
    fulham,, you said we are improving got beat
    man c , you said we are improving, we got beat, and they torcherd us first half
    QPR we won, but it was a poor game
    man u best game under pardew, but we lost

    ARS today, last time i checked the game lasts 90 mins,, pardew in his wisdom said no more goals, shut up shop, so when he went defensive it went pairshape, he made a choice and it went badly wrong

    we can all sit here and not blame pardew and look at the board, but at the end of the day
    players like simpson, should not be playing, why is cisse playing right wing,,
    what do we get out of having cisse out on the right wing

    marv today, showed his class, best player by a mile ( for us) why has it took pardew so long to have him in the team

    how much longer ehh

    if you look at the fixture,, its not getting any easier for us, he looks flat, he has no new ideas,,

    like i say. its not just about the last 2 matches,, its the last 20

  • 31 manxpie // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    stuart so after getting the lead back 3 times I.E conceding 3 goals away from home!
    you don’t agree we shouldn’t concede anymore well i’m speechless on that logic like!!

  • 32 jimiley // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:37 PM

    No need to panic until March. If we are two points off third bottom in March, panic!!!!! In Alan we trust.

  • 33 breno95 // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    What a lot of moaning, whinging, and hypocrites there are posting on here. Promoted straight back to EPL, a steady mid table return 1st season back and then a very much surprised 5th place securing Euro football this term. Ok, things are not great but which side would not suffer on the pitch with the injury and suspension list we have had during 1st half of the season?
    How many really expected anything out of last 3 games against current champions in city, top of the league team in Utd and a rejuvenated and fresh Gunners side? We have given a good account tonight for 75 mins but poor subs knacked it up. 3 goals tonight away to any other team outside top 4 would have got 3 points. The same applies to Boxing Days game.
    IMO Tiote is a spent force. Young Bigi has shown he is more than capable. If the offers are still there for Tiote I would sell him this window and if Ba goes then he goes. Look to add Sakho, Pieters, Debuchy, Sissoko and Remy – easy to type than it us to happen but with those on board along with the return from injury of Saylor, Anita, Cabaye and HBA we will be stronger. In the summer moves should be made now to sound out either Samba, Alderwield or Douglas plus Long.
    If and I know it’s a big if as our transfer dealings don’t run smooth we can land those named this window very early in January we could be lining up with :-
    Krul, Debuchy, Sakho, Colo, Pieters
    Sissoko, Bigi, Anita, Cabaye
    Offload Simpson, Willo in the summer, retire Shola work damn hard to get the injured back fully fit such as Raylor,Gosling and Vuckic added to the list named for 2013 summer window and we should all have a better season.

  • 34 Marty-Toon // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:41 PM

    Jonas could be played at LB and put Santon on at RB

  • 35 sirtoongospel // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    Personally I thought Bigi was our M O M today. Never put a foot wrong all game. Wish he had stayed on.

  • 36 Toon Tang // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM

    meltdown in the last 15 min eh. we looked good at 3-3 . perch at the back dosnt work and collo has been shite as well recently we played some nice ‘on the deck’ passing stuff and looked class for parts of the game but as always this season the deffence has let us down. all these ‘top teams’ have been there for the taking this season and we have shot ourselves in the foot by letting in sloppy goal after sloppy goal.

    surely after today and last wed they will dip in and buy some decent defence. if it keeps going like this we are screwed . we can score but will always ship more than we score and thats fact

  • 37 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:44 PM

    Don’t buy 3 quality defenders & an engine in midfield in the window then remain the Wee Team in the North East.
    Rememember where you heard it Mr.Ashley.

  • 38 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:46 PM

    who thinks we are in a position to go out and buy good players
    and if we are, how many would come with the club the way it is,, sliding fast out of the league

  • 39 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM

    wenger is a shit

    he is saying he played a good newcastle team to make the 7 goals look better,,

  • 40 Harley // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:47 PM


    Totally agree, it’s not impossible.

    We’re only 9 points of 8th. A good run and that can be made up in a few weeks. Who knows what could happen if we make that up.

  • 41 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    “you carnt come on here and say yes we were great at man u then blame the team for falling to bits a few days later, you carnt have it both ways to suit your argument”
    Really? Because you seem to be overlooking the fact that our squad is stretched so thin that essentially we’ve had the same starting 11 play 2 games against 2 of the leagues biggest clubs in 2 days
    Seems like your the one ignoring your facts to suit your arguement

  • 42 Schwefelberg // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:49 PM

    Charlie in Cowgate, I did not say bring back Shepherd!

    But we are Bucephalus!!

    and Dirk Lambias and Mike Ashley are no Alexander the Greats.

  • 43 Toon1978 // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM

    Bigi was really good today. Marveaux was also very good. Demba Ba stood out as usuall. Lets get some positives going

  • 44 Black and White with an army lol // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM


    Newcastle can always buy good players regardless were they are in the league, we are and always been a top club with the best stadium in the league.

  • 45 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM


    my argument is pardew has set the team up wrong all season,
    i agreed we played well v man u, but today pardew said no more goals and changed the team around,
    up until then, the team was holding its own

    he got his tactics wrong again

    another loss

  • 46 joe // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    WTF are u guys on about!? So it’s Pardew’s fault that he says NO MORE GOALS and about 10 secs later Cisse fails to track Gibbs giving them the 4th goal? Absolutely bullsh*t. Pardew coudlnt have done more to win us that game today. How many teams actually score 3 at the emirates? Is it HIS fault that Santon chose to play Walcott onside eventhough he could see the ENTIRE defence line? Is it his fault that Danny simpson threw the ball STRAIGHT to an opponent!? And tell me man! Is it his FREAKIN fault that Tiote again gave the ball away after dwelling on it for what must be an hour!?

    That, guys… was essentially how they scored their first four goals. All preventable! Nothing to do with the defence as a whole. All individual mistakes. You can have the best defence in the world and if you keep giving the ball away in your own third you’re still gonna concede bucketloads. The 5th 6th and 7th goals was a farce. All the players should be docked a week’s wage for just giving up like that. No fight. Just capitulated. Which is what sickens me most. NObody making a tackle for Walcott’s last goal. If our players had some fight in them they would have taken the c*nt out before he even got close to goal.

  • 47 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:52 PM

    Forget the big names everyone is mentioning because they won’t come. “Big” clubs will get Debuchy & Remy now. Mr Carr needs to find new targets now & quick & keep them to himself until they are signed. Like we did with Cisse. Why do we still air our dirty linen in public?
    Get behind Pards because we got him for 8 more years & can’t afford to fire him off.

  • 48 jimiley // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM

    Black and white,
    Arsenal has the best stadium. Easily. Ours is lopsided and reflects the way the club has always been run..

  • 49 joe // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Why are my posts not posting?

  • 50 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:54 PM

    Black and White with an army lol
    im not doubting what we are
    im asking do you think pardew will be given money to spend, yes some, but we need players with proven background to help,, not someone who has potential , this will take more money than you think

    also,, all top players will not want to join a team struggling ,

  • 51 Big Pappa Cissé // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    After so much hype this season has turned into a write off even if we strengthen in January (doubt it) . First and foremost we need to get 40 points in the bag, then we can maybe hope for a decent cup run and hopefully next season we wont be ravaged by injurys and the players we have wont leave, then we can have a real go

  • 52 nick_9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    Torq toon I could have stomached 4:3 but the extra goals made it hard to take. Sadly the defensive lapses now overshadow the 70-80 minutes we did well in.

    17 games remaining and here’s hoping we can win half of them and not lose many. That should be enough to see a top half finish. If we do lose Ba It’s a must to get another striker in but I think a 4:5:1 would be ok as we have some good players in midfield but haven’t played them together.

  • 53 sirtoongospel // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:55 PM

    The stats for the first 70 minutes show that we weren’t just good, but excellent in that period. We are 2 defenders away from being great. We have known that for ages. But we were better than them in every other department during that period.

    Yes we need defenders, but if Pards could just pick a team from January onwards with Cabaye, Anita, and HBA in a midfield with Marv and maybe Bigi, we would be amazing. Cisse can play up top if Ba leaves.

    Just add 2 great CB’s and a top RB and we would be capable of beating anyone. No thanks to Tiote, Jonas, Willo and Simmo. They Are not good enough. With Tiote he just takes forever to pass.

  • 54 joe // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    What are u guys on about!? So it’s Pardew’s fault that he says NO MORE GOALS and about 10 secs later Cisse fails to track Gibbs giving them the 4th goal? Absolutely nonsense. Pardew coudlnt have done more to win us that game today. How many teams actually score 3 at the emirates? Is it HIS fault that Santon chose to play Walcott onside eventhough he could see the ENTIRE defence line? Is it his fault that Danny simpson threw the ball STRAIGHT to an opponent!? And tell me man! Is it His fault again that Tiote AGAIN gave the ball away after dwelling on it for what must be an hour!?

    That, guys… was essentially how they scored their first four goals. All preventable! Nothing to do with the defence as a whole. All individual mistakes. You can have the best defence in the world and if you keep giving the ball away in your own third you’re still gonna concede bucketloads. The 5th 6th and 7th goals was a farce. All the players should be docked a week’s wage for just giving up like that. No fight. Just capitulated. Which is what sickens me most. NObody making a tackle for Walcott’s last goal. If our players had some fight in them they would have taken him out before he even got close to goal.

  • 55 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    Of course he had to change the team round man we were conceding a goal everytime we scored on it was like watching online fifa ffs
    You cant of expected that same 11 to finish on the pitch 48 hrs after playing there guts out vs man utd?

  • 56 stuart no9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    Marty -toon. If we are useless defensively , then why at 3-3 did Pards shout to his players “no more goals” meaning – take a point , for 20 mins he wanted us to defend with a useless defence.a manage with a bit more know how. Would have kept the ball away from our usless defenders not encouraged the opposition to attack, needless to say they scored another 4. With his negative tactics.

  • 57 nick_9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 10:57 PM

    18 games remaining and I shadow what sirtoongospel said

  • 58 joe // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM

    And Cisse, bloody hell. First Gibbs doesnt track Ba’s run allowing him to score our 3rd, and what do you know? 60 seconds later Cisse returns the favour and lets Gibbs run into our box. Either play him as a striker or not at all. And lets face it at this time, I’d pick Ba over him anyday.

  • 59 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM


    would you play cisse on the right?

    you have a CF, trying to play winger,, i have not seen a cross all season, then couple that with the fact simpson is behind him

    so simpson is crap going forward, cisse crap in defence

    would you choose that as your right side,, bare in mide this has been all season

  • 60 manxpie // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:01 PM

    haha catchy have a look at who’s making “facts suit there argument!!!!”

  • 61 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:03 PM

    my argument is the same every day

    pardew is not good enough

  • 62 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:03 PM

    So now your trying to shift your arguement ignoring the fact that as i said this team has played 2 huge games 48hrs apart and you dont expect substitutions?
    Whats the difference between cisse at RW and ba at LW?
    By the way they both continually rotated today

  • 63 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:04 PM

    Given our available squad today who would you of played rw?

  • 64 ba humbug // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    If anybody on here thinks that Pardew does not know the strengths, abilities and weaknesses of his players then they are totally deluded.

    Of course he knows Simmo’s skill levels and Willo’s abilities and Colo’s lack of pace (which makes the high line risky) and that Santon is not the finished article yet but what can he do about it ?

    He has to balance giving the lads the hairdryer with building up their confidence. He knows they’re down.

    He’ll know Tiote isn’t firing on all six and that Marv and Obertan are improving every game, that Guti’s form is swinging around all over the place.
    He’ll know that Ba and Cisse aren’t firing together but he has to keep trying as if they can click they’ll be devastating.

    He’ll know the younsgters are high risk as they are not ready.

    He has to hope the lads recover their form quickly and work out the best way to do that. Slag them off or cover for them in interviews ? It is not his style to do the public rocket so he has to flannel. What else can he do but make excuses ?

    He could see they were all out today and knew Gooners were sharper and have a very good record of scoring in the final ten.

    He can’t openly criticise the boss as he depends on him to bring in the defenders we need.. It’s a thin line to tread. And he has done a fair bit of gibbering recently as he is in a bad position.

    He’s caught between a rock and a hard place.

    He needs to work very very hard to improve fitness and stamina as this appears to be a lingering weakness of ours. Might be something else but it looks like stamina.

    He needs to get some leadership on the pitch.

    He needs his best players back and the second string lads hitting form.

    He looks as if he’s been trying to cover defensive weaknesses by using a 4-4-2 where he can try to prevent wide players attacking our FBs. Then boot upfield especially later in the game when midfiield guys who are covering back are too knackered for ball playing. Its a compromise but he knows their limitations. He certainly has made a good few wrong calls and may even have entirely the wrong strategy but it is a strategy of sorts. Maybe badly thought through but it is a compromise too far for us just now.

    Most of our problems trace back to the weaknesses in defence and poor performances by lads who should have a lot more in their tanks. Injuries, suspensions, poor form, second rate players having to play against some of the EPL’s best – and some tactical mistakes thrown in.
    Wheels are off the bus but we have to give the guy time to get it right. Our play over the last few games has shown much more purpose and he is trying to change bad practices, but has still got the rope round his neck of the rubbish defence.
    We just need to get behind the lads and management team now and till the end of the season. There’ll be ups and downs but the lifeblood of the club is the supporters. There are fans on here who are not supporters as they want us to lose and players to get injured. Nobody can call that support can they? The team need support when they’re down – and now not in some mythical future.

    As for Mashley.. we can’t do much about him except hope.

  • 65 joe // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    Stuart No 9

    Shut up shop by no ways means defend for the last 20 mins. It means defend deep and catch them on the break which we were more than capable of. Considering their first 3 goals came while we were out of position or holding a high line I think Pardew actually made the right call dont u think?! What would you have done at 3-3? Ask our tiring players to play an even higher line and press more!?

  • 66 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM

    OK Positives!
    Good youngsters not ready yet : Fergie,Bigi, Sami
    Badly missing to come back sometime Bennie, Saylor, Cabaye, & Anita
    Perchino doing best he can. Simmo & Santon we have nothing better as of now.
    Ba & Cisse can score goals but not together.Shola chips in important goals but is clumsy
    Marvaux most improved player over last few weeks.
    Negatives Tiote not a patch on last season loses possession leading to goals too much Misses matches thro suspension too often. Nobody in right mind will pay £5M+ for him in present state
    Guti he falls over & over & over again.
    Willo, Gosling, Amalfiliano Obertan Ranger just not good enough.
    In view of above lucky to be out of bottom 3

  • 67 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:06 PM


    is this why west ham lost, reading played the other day to

  • 68 nick_9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:06 PM

    Have to agree with Joe as well. All goals had an error in from one or two players and cisse is pretty ineffective on the right but he does sometimes alternate with Ba so he isn’t there the whole game. I do think some of the errors can be prevented in training though, it shouldn’t take much for a play to learn to use his eyes and look down a line.

    The signs are there though guys, we all know we are a few defenders away from looking like a good side. Many of us thought we could play better with the technical players and now we are. You imagine a midfield five of cabaye, Anita, marveaux, hba and either obertan or tiote.

  • 69 nufcusa // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM

    catchy…. what is your masterplan… always have an opionion, which is fair enough……but please lay out what you would do if you were owner of NUFC. Try to keep it realistic so the discussion can be valid. No more football manager talk please!

  • 70 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:09 PM

    Ba Humbug was it you that wrote War & Peace only I thought it was some Russian guy?

  • 71 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:11 PM

    What people need to remember is that marveaux doesn’t want to play as a winger. He has said many times he prefers playing through the centre. Kind of makes it difficult to find him a place in a fully fit team, but he should have plenty of opportunities to show himself the next couple months.

  • 72 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM


    given that we had just played open v manu u and conceded 4 and the defence was weaknd today, i would not have played 433
    i would have gone 4411
    same players cisse up top ba just behind him,

    some games you set your team up hard to beat, any time you play a top 4 team,, but pardew has went defensive against poor teams , attack against the best teams,, is this not mad??

    433 let them run riot today playing a high line v wollcot was mad,, i said it before the match, he would run amock and he did,, pardew played into wengers hands

  • 73 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:12 PM

    Very true him and benny fighting for the number 10 role?

  • 74 stuart no9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    Manxpie Don’t know what your talking about mate . We were doing ok till Pards said no more goals , we conceded 4 do you think he made the right decision ? I am gob smacked if you do

  • 75 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM

    Tads – that’s the only way I think he will play.
    And he’s not going to play over Ben arfa.
    I can’t remember exactly what he said, but if he wants games he will have to become a winger.

  • 76 colwell // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    Soon as shola came on today we fell apart not his fault but pards. He took bigi off who was playing well and tore a huge hole in the middle of our midfield.

    Our main problems is that all I keep hearing is ifs and when’s well we are running out of time, who would take playing awful and winning now?

  • 77 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    Whoa whoa whoa you absolute massive fcuking hypocrite! You’d basically set the team up defensivley then!
    You and your negative fcuking tactics!
    This right here is proof that no matter what team/formation we field you would claim we should if done the polar opposite

  • 78 ba humbug // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:15 PM

    West Lancs

    just got carried away sorry if its an unintelligible rant

  • 79 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:16 PM

    Stuart no9 – do you even think about anything before you type? Or does your keyboard bypass your brain. All you post is repetitive drivel.

  • 80 joe // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    I hate to admit it but I think Tiote does not suit the way we play or are attempting to play anymore. If you look at Pardew’s recent formation and style of play you can see that we are (finally) playing a very continental fluid and possession based 4231 or 433, with inverted wingers and fullbacks that push up providing width. What is required of the deepest midfielder (Tiote) in this formation is to receive the ball from the defence and play it out, which I sadly think he does not have the skill for. Anita would be a much better player in this position.

    Sure, Tiote is a beast in a team that defends deep, like Roy Hodgson’s England team at the recent Euros if you like, but he will never have the vision, the mobility and skill to play an expansive possession game. What happens if you ask him to do this is he will dwell on the ball and inevitably lose possession, which cost us our 3rd goal today. He also doesnt have the vision to pick out forward runs and long passes eventhough he is the player with the most time on the ball, meaning that the opposition can pressurise the rest of our midfielders without worrying about a ball over the top from Tiote, like what Arsenal did today.

  • 81 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:18 PM

    Joe you are right I’d play Shola with BA at moment. If we were to get another striker needs to be something different as I think Ba will be traded. Going to commit hari kari if we dont buy 2 from the likes of Douglas, Samba, Sissoko or the big lad from Montpelier. Colo does need a rest & some help. Midfield OK when everyone back especially with good contributions from Marv, Bigi & Anita lately & Fergie could be used more on the left for his quality crosses.

  • 82 sirtoongospel // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

    I would also add that I think that with Marv in this form, and Anita looking good, I wouldn’t mind if cabaye sat deeper as the holding player. He loves a tackle and can get us passing. We have the tools going forward, it’s obvious what we need

    After the last 2 games it is obvious that Pardew is sick of a couple if players but can’t do anything: but he would love new defenders.

    I would have loved to see HBA be for for the last 20 minutes today. That game was there to win. We just faded badly

  • 83 stuart no9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

    Joe @65. Pardew made the right call? I wouldn’t say conceding 4 in the last 10 mins was making the right call somehow – Talk about defending pardew – Made the right call by conceding 4 quick goals Jeez. Haha.

  • 84 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

    Your right i remember the interview said he saw himself as a number 10 and i remember thinking well that explains why you havent featured much like!
    Also remember thinking how ironic it was that the people who wanted ba moved on for wanting to playing centrally (13-14 goals now isnt it?) were also calling for marv, who seems to be doing the same, to be put into the squad!
    Think the media have sucessfully turned us back into a laughing stock this season and tbh are fans have veen a massive contributor to that biting at every rumour!

  • 85 pedro // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:20 PM

    I think some people are attaching too much significance to the camera catching Pardew shout “no more goals” at 3 3. We were very open before this, minutes later another defensive lapse results in Arsenals fourth and then it was game over. Anyone claiming that this was the precise moment the game was lost and it was Pardews change of tactics is talking crap

  • 86 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM


    firstly id get a manager with a bit of a record of winning

    pardew hasnt done anything at any club, premoted via play offs, and a cup final

    i would get a manager, that suits our squad,

    we have a squad full of attacking players, being made to play defensive,,

    if pardew wants defensive playes, its his job to say to G CARR, find me these type of players, instead,, we keep coming up with more attackers,,
    no one is saying the right manager is out there right now,, but there are some good ones
    blank and solksjær are not in there seasons right now, both are pretty good,
    stick beardo in there until the summer if need be

    all i know is for weeks we have been sliding down, he carnt do the job, some dont look fit, he is ment to be a great motovator,, i dont see it out there on the pitch

  • 87 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM

    Joe –
    But surely tiote with a ball playing cb and RB behind him would give him more options to play the ball?

    Him winning the ball and then giving to cabaye/Anita or back to cb to create play.

    He looks lost on the ball sometimes, but is that entirely his fault or other players not showing for the ball.

  • 88 joe // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:22 PM

    @stuart 9

    It would be Pardew’s fault if we defended deep, not offering a threat and they eventually break us down and score after a period of sustained pressure. But come on mate, they basically scored with their first attack after the kick off. Which would have happened anyway. You know.. IT was THEIR turn to attack?? Get my drift mate?

  • 89 sirtoongospel // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:23 PM

    Oh, and I honestly think if Anita had been fit, we would have had a great chance. He is relentless.

  • 90 nick_9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    Conaldo wouldn’t you like to see Anita, marveaux, cabaye and hba in the same team? I would but know we would need some steel in there too. Imagine;


    Or Anita deep with tiote and cabaye central in attack, perch can cover in DM if injuries happen and Jonas or obertan can help out in attack etc. Obviously this won’t happen whilst we have both Ba and cisse here but if one leaves or gets injured. I personally see cisse ok the right as a waste but know we need to keep both happy.

  • 91 West Lancs Geordie // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    Not a dig Ba Humbug we are all terribly frustrated as we know the team can do far better than results suggest. We are where we are because of poor home performances against the likes of West Ham, Villa & Swansea etc. Perhaps we should pack midfield in away games & not play both big fellers together up front.

  • 92 manxpie // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:24 PM

    catchy your full of crap why didn’t you state that formation before the game?
    in my oppinion if your a fan you’d support the team but you haven’t, have never and never will so feck off off’of this blog you norwegian tosser

  • 93 catchy in norway // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM


    how is that negative?

    marv left wing pumping in crosses
    ober right wing pupming in crosses
    cisse up top
    ba linking up

    id dont see that as negative

    2 natural wingers, that can cover fulbacks

    its just a more natural team

    today was 433

    obertan drifting all over, cisse not doing anything

  • 94 manxpie // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    catchy your full of crap why didn’t you state that formation before the game?
    in my oppinion if your a fan you’d support the team but you haven’t, have never and never will so f@ck off off’of this blog you norwegian tosser

  • 95 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM

    Tads – yeah, the minority of fans are really showing themselves and the club up, but unfortunately the minority seem to be the loudest ones, or the ones causing the most fuss.

  • 96 ba humbug // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM


    Don’t let the evidence get in the way of your prejudices

    Try some facts for a change

  • 97 nick_9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    Pedro it seems more accurate that he was saying dont ship any more goals as opposed to dont get any.

  • 98 sirtoongospel // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:26 PM

    Catchy, I love how you say we will never attract the top players we need to improve, but you want a top manager? Which “top manager” would work under Ashley and do a better job?

  • 99 davybtoon // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    Lol is are terrible back 4 terrible keeper n terrible tiote pardews fault we lost 4 goals in ten mins he told them to cut out the mistakes n no more goals n they do the opposite make even more mistakes n ship 4 goals

    Replace krul, 3 of back 4 apart from santon n replace tiote with someone who actually doesn’t give the ball away n we’ve the making of a good team

  • 100 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    Catchy – marveaux a natural winger?!!!

    Read the conversation me and tads have just been having you fool.

    Marveaux isn’t a winger.

  • 101 Lee Dodd // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    I would say Getting Rid of Alan Pardew Is Not The Answer The answer is we never bought any players in The summer when th eothers strenthened. we got shot of 3 players that would have been very important to us this term. MIKE ASHLEY FOR GODS SAKE GET THE WALLET OUT OR WE ARE DOWN !!!!!

  • 102 Tsunki // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:27 PM

    ba humbug @64 – top post and spot on.

    You cant batter a team like Man U and run like we did and face a daisy fresh team of Arsenal’s calibre and depth and expect glory. Unfortunately Pardew decided to abandon the guts and glory attack at the right time, but the makeshift defence was further confused, and with our midfield neutered we were an open door. Not fair, but simply fact.

    Catchy I am sorry mate but tonight was a freak result borne from freak conditions, you cant use historical data to support a game like tonights, Pardews attempt was brave, correct and ultimately fruitless given the tools to hand.

  • 103 ba humbug // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    west lancs

    juust trying to say AP sees what we see and more and is a pro manager with decent analytical skills. Its tough but he’s tried so many different approaches to cover our underlying weaknesses and hardly any have worked this season

  • 104 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:29 PM

    You having a fcuking laugh or something? You’ve spent most afternoon stating obertan couldn’t cross a road and now you envision him whipping in crosses?
    And marv, are creative spark, you want LM leaving a CM of tiote and bigi to DCM’s? In fact we’ve played a 442, which is basically the same, with bigi and tiote in the middle and you absolutly fcuking hammered pardew for being to negative!
    Such a hypocrite its unbelievable!!!

  • 105 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM

    Tsunki –

    Very right.

    Unfortunately the idiots on here won’t listen to reason or logic, it’s all Pardews fault for deliberately conceding 4 goals in the last 15 minutes.

  • 106 Crow59 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM

    If today of all days doesnt smack pards across his chops that we need to strengthen defensively it never will, injuries aside we are knowhere near strong enough at the back, for me we need an old school style centre half to get a grip of the team and put some bollocks into our back four. Shipping simmo off down south on the cheap shouldnt be a problem as hes only got eyes for his ndubz manhole, replace him with someone quick and capable of actually putting something in the box aswell as not switching off for 30 mins a game and we are onto a winner. Cabs for me will be the change in our season providing he comes back and finds some form and pards has the balls to drop tiote

  • 107 redrowgk1 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM

    We needed 6 players last year as the season ended. Pardew should of been banging on the the door of the chairman and owner! Mr Ashley has saved NUFC from going bus tbut his mindset of how its run will never change! Tiote worth £20 mill id carry him to his new club! Colo never had faith or S Taylor never good enough for prem! Dawson at Spurs or Jaikellega top class C backs for prem.Shola, Taylor, Guit,.Colo, Willo
    simply not good enough. Big spending about 30-40 mill would do but will never happen under present regime.
    Pardew grow some balls and walk if they will not back you!

    Taylor COLO

  • 108 Tsunki // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM

    Replace Krul? I have heard it all. Goodnight.

  • 109 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:32 PM

    Tads –

    He does it all the time. Loads of people on here are ridiculously hypocritical and have no idea what they are talking about.

  • 110 joe // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:34 PM


    As the deep lying midfielder as he is increasingly asked to play as he needs to have the best range of passing simply because he has the most time on the ball. He starts the attacks. If all he can do is play the ball 10 yards, basically even you and I know that all we have to do as defenders is pressurize the rest of his teammates, and he will have no options but to dwell on the ball. Which is what EVERY single team has been doing to us. What you could do if you still want him in the team is try playiing him further upfield, where he could provide energy from midfield, which is what he excells at, and leave the passing to someone better. And we have already a ball playing CB in Colo.

  • 111 headtheball // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:34 PM

    We need to buy
    a First team central defender
    b First team left back
    c First team right back
    Do not need a striker until summer or when Ba leaves
    Push Santon up on a wing
    Give parsnip until the end of February and if no improvement he needs to be replaced
    If Dr Death cannot get anybody over the line or if they are not purple he needs replacing. Over to you Mike.

  • 112 colwell // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:35 PM

    Colo is not a leader, he doesn’t even organise his defence. Not enough heart in the team we don’t have a shearer or speed or even a Nolan to get the boys going.

  • 113 stuart no9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM

    Conaldo@79 That’s because I’m being quizzed on that issue – so if you would like to mind your own business and type your own nonsense that would be much appreciated .- and drivel is my word – stop nicking people’s words.

  • 114 south coast toon // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM

    come on guys give em a break, they played a massive game against man u, what a game 4-3 cisse scoring as well
    arsenal get a nice rest cortesy of there fans on the tube lol.
    we go to arsenal and play well for 80 mins it was anyones game till then, god they must of been nackered, who did we have we could bring on compared to the class they subed on,the boys have played well the last few games and give there all we lost big deal, they were great games to watch, and pardew must by now realise that we have to attack every team like that,know if he sets out against some of the klesser sides at home defensively again shoot him,we scoring goals against the top sides away from home its christmas season of goodwill unless your af now surport your team because we might of lost but how many of us expected us to still be in the last 2 games after the first half, well done the boys you tried

  • 115 Crow59 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:42 PM

    Right it seems most of us are agreeing that we need somebody defensively capable of organising a defense in the prem and putting some bollocks in the team sooo suggestions….
    Off the top i cant think of many that would be available as all are either settled at clubs or far to old for our transfer policy.

  • 116 stuart no9 // Dec 29, 2012 at 11:49 PM

    Pedro @ 85. Sorry mate but that is exactly where it started going tits up. Why didn’t he want to carry on the way we were going?

  • 117 stuart no9 // Dec 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM

    Joe@ 88. Yeah I get your drift- so if Pards had left it as it was, it would have beenOUR turn to attack and we would have been level. Do you get mine????????

  • 118 Graeme // Dec 30, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    West Lancs Geordie – where you located mate? I’m not far from Preston, 45 mins to Manc or cesspool!!

  • 119 nufcusa // Dec 30, 2012 at 12:53 AM

    He didn’t carry on the way we were going because the players were on there arse. Regardless of tactical shifts in the last 20 we didn’t have the energy or personnel to see it through.

  • 120 dalton7675 // Dec 30, 2012 at 2:52 AM

    Firstly what a fantastic game of football today even though we lost! Theres no chance of us going down after the way we played against UTD and today against arsenal but i do agree we need some players in in January and for me we should buy douglas and even though he is old given regular football upson would be a good cover option for our tired looking defence and i think we could get him for a mil.
    Another great deal for us would be soon to be club free, (depending on wage demands of course) but Joe cole still a fantastic player who would add depth and experiance aswell as goals.
    A few of you may be thinking what a wolly but lets face it Cashley wont spend his money so we need some cheap solutions and fast I also think we should try and loan guidetta from city aswell as i think he would welcome first team football.

    As for Ba niether meet his wage demands or get rid in january, its causeing tention in the dressing room and were slowly losing that fantastic team spirit from last season.
    i think cisse would become that goal machine he was when we bought him last January if ba went as they dont connect and given ba’s dodgey knee i would choose cisse all day because lets face it his career goalscoreing record is excellent! he does however look abit unfit and i think the toon management need to work on that with him and quick.
    I would like caroll to return inthe summer because i think his best years are still ahead of him and he wants to play for the toon where as ba dosnt!

  • 121 go toon go // Dec 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Forget injured players.We always cry about injured players.Look what we have now.If we are not strong enough in the moment then we need to play with different tactics.More defensively.When Cabaye returns we cry for Ben Arfa.When Ben Arfa returns we cry for Steven Taylor etc.Our players must to understand that they are not STARS.THEY NEED TO REMEMBER ABOUT CHAMPIONSHIP COCA COLA SEASON.Every team has couple of injured players.If Cabaye and Ben Arfa are not here?Now what.We need to lose every game?No.We need to fight.Our current team doesn’t prove that.

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