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Pardew Blasts Demba Ba’s Agents – Wants Striker To Stay

2:32 pm, Monday, December 31st, 2012 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 156 Comments

Alan Pardew is nothing if not an eternal optimist,  and he has come out and even praised Demba Ba today, for his professionalism at Newcastle, and he has also blasted his representatives, who are simply trying to make some money off their client.

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Demba Ba – not in control of the situation

It’s fairly obvious to everybody that his greedy agents are simply trying to line their pockets by selling Ba to the highest bidder, but that may not be obvious to the player himself.

This is what Alan Pardew said about the situation today:

“I feel bit sorry for Demba because the people representing him are not representing him.” “There are people out there fueling it who are not involved.” “The contract is what it is and as manager I want it to be resolved.”

“There is a contract for him to sign and it is getting close to the point where we say no more, but the offer is still there. I want him to stay.” “It has been a saga since the summer and the way the contract was drawn up at the time means we can’t get out of it, but I understand why it was that way at the time.”

“I still think in this window he will stay because of the situation we are in, but that will be up to him.” “The contract terms have been bandied around which has not helped and people are getting involved who have no right to be involved.”

“It is difficult for our fans because they love him and they want him to play in a black and white shirt – we look potent again.” “One thing I don’t have to worry about is Demba’s mental state. He is one of the strongest footballers I have ever come across.”

“He had disappointments in his early career with bad injuries and the way some clubs treated him but he can have no complaints about how we have treated him.” “We have been brilliant for him. I hope he rewards us by staying for another couple of years.”

Those are good words from Alan Pardew and obviously meant to be read by Demba Ba himself.

But why does he let the people who are supposedly representing him do all this stupid stuff that they started in the summer?

We hope Ba will stay – but he will need new representation if that is to become possible, and we  think the Newcastle manager is realizing this farce is just unacceptable behavior from his representative – and it needs to stop – and the sooner the better as far as our club is concerned.

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156 responses so far ↓

  • 1 kevymartins // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:35 PM

    With simpson injured and if debuchy signes tomorrow will he plan on wed?

  • 2 ba humbug // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    Huff and Puff

    Get off Baa’s case. He’s entitled to a better deal and it’s his stupid greedy agents who are giving him a bad reputation along with the Press trying to wind things up.

  • 3 sweendog // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:36 PM

    last ditch attempt by Pardew .. he must feel he can turn his head .. fingers crossed .. then with the 2-3 new players .. things will look rosey .. push up the league and go for FA or Euro glory ..

  • 4 kevymartins // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:36 PM


    That’s everton’s strong side so what a bonus it would be to have debuchy in there

  • 5 ba humbug // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:37 PM

    I want to see the silver fox able to pick from Ba, Remy and Cisse, so hope he stays and we sign Remy or similar

  • 6 Indian Magpie // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:38 PM


    If Debuchy plays he could pin baines and pienaar back too.

  • 7 sirtoongospel // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:38 PM

    One statement from Ba to clearly state who is representing him and to discredit those who aren’t would clear everything up. It won’t happen though. Pardew has made sure that he told the press that the offer to him from NUFC is still there.

  • 8 nick_9 // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    Cheick you say fans who wants him to play must support Hartlepool or something, why cut your nose off to spite your face? He is bang on form and it would be silly in my mind not to play a striker who is bang in form. Any argument for selling Ba resolves around well cisse might and so and so might come in and….. It’s all guess work, Ba is proven and is in form. What if he ends up staying? Pay his wages and let him rot in the reserves? Ridiculous idea to waste money and miss the goals he has in him. We either need to find a better way to accommodate both or only play one. The club signed both players so they need to be big enough to make the decision.

  • 9 davetoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:39 PM

    doubt Debuchy would even make SJP for the game.

    i would play anita at RB and perch and tiote in the middle, all out attack @ Goodison would be suicide.

    can’t afford to have another rout

  • 10 check the toastie // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    As if Ba doesnt know what his advisors are doing, he is a bright fella and has a history of moving on when it suits HIM not his ‘advisors’.

    Repost as EDs on a role.
    Anybody saying Ba should start, whilst he is trying to manufacture a move away from the club, must think they support Hartlepool or Gateshead or some other piss pot club.

    Never have i witnessed a player brazenly try and move away from the toon for one reason and one reason only MONEY, he could play out his contract, (you know the one he was happy to sign) and move for free in 18 months, but clearly he wants his hands on this 2.5 million.

    Has been incredibly selfish on the pitch and it has affected Cisse terribly who is working his knackers off.

    Cisse through the middle will match Ba’s goals long term and the lad is a diamond of a bloke as well.

    I repeat he should be stuck in the reserves to rot. Imagine any other club allowing a player to behave like this and he still picks his spot in the team to the detriment of others, i cant, its a disgrace and he should be moved on or dropped.

    Would prefer it if Pardew just came on and said this has gone on long enough we need 100% commitment to this club (you know the one that is in a relegation battle and needs everybody pulling in the same direction), if he doesnt get that assurance then remove him from the 1st team squad.

    Typical wishy washy Pardew, says a lot but says nothing.

  • 11 hdavid23 // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    any real news on the Ba situation? its all quiet today

  • 12 Super Magpie // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    I think it was Perch in the first half and then we switched to 4-4-2 in the second half with Anita playing RB and Jonas playing RM.

  • 13 check the toastie // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    davetoon – we are playing at home. hmmmffffff

  • 14 tequilamag // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:43 PM

    Super, well on the basis we were a lot better in the second half I will opt for Anita to replace Simmo and keep Perch in midfield.

  • 15 davetoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:45 PM

    @ check

    understand the frustration but sick of us getting picked off on the counter

  • 16 nick_9 // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    Cheick – what if he ends up staying? Can you really blame a guy for wanting what’s best for him? 40k is pittance for a guy who should be on 80-100 in the market were in. I can’t blame him for looking elsewhere. I’m tired of becoming attached to a player and then them leaving, Jose and Carroll were the last two. As long as they do their job on the pitch I couldn’t care if they want out. It’s better for us to keep him until the summer anyway. Then we have longer to recruit or plan

  • 17 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    Who’s getting the kids in this divorce its turning into a right mess isn’t it?

    I dont know how everyone can just get back to working if Ba ends up staying. He has obviously given his agents a no-holds-barred brief to follow the money wagon, so he has made no fiends in Toon. Better for all concerned that he goes now as its past the point of no return. If he does stay it will only be until the summer, so should he be marginalised to get our no9 and any other possible striker into their proper roles, or do we stick with a goalscorer on a roll? Tough one this.

  • 18 Indian Magpie // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:48 PM

    when captain colo made his debut against manure, how long had he been at the club?

    Jose enrique at Liverfool?

    Debuchy cd play. i hope so atleast

  • 19 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:49 PM

    Ha ha *made no friends that was Freudian, I think he has made fiends at NUFC ho ho ho.

  • 20 Super Magpie // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:50 PM

    That’s a good shout, I would do the same.

  • 21 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Indian – Pardew has made a habit of protecting ‘new’ arrivals, in HBA and Marveaux’s cases I think he has been absolutely spot on. BUT I think a player of Debuchy’s calibre should get off the plane, get changed into his kit and walk out on the SJP turf and play against Everton. Cant do any worse than Simpson against Arsenal imo.

  • 22 northernirishtoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    If we can’t give ba the wage he deserves (4th highest scorer in premier league since he joined us, only behind rvp, Rooney and aguero) then I really fear for our future. Give him what he deserves and bring this saga to an end

  • 23 check the toastie // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:53 PM

    nick9 – as he is being a tit, the clause wasnt meant to be for him to prostitute himself to the highest bidder whilst he is in the team, fair enough if a team wanted to come in and offer the 7.5 miilion for him and he then moved on without any disturbance, no problems.

    However his ‘advisors’ are actively looking for him to move, he is an employee of NUFC, the biggest club he has ever played for and which should be an absolute honour, he doesnt give a shit clearly, just because he sticks it in the onion bag doesnt give him the right to treat the club as a stopgap, we must see the bigger picture,

    Whos next Cisse, Ben10, Cabaye, is the lad setting a precedent? i think so and it needs nipping in the bud. Sir John and Keegan would have made him rot as they had pride in what this football club should be all about.


  • 24 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    But have to say that Anita at RB makes a ton more sense given we could stand not getting bent over again 3 times in the space of a week 🙁

  • 25 Indian Magpie // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM


    He cd pin Baines and Pienaar back. not sure abt his fitness did not play against Montpellier

  • 26 quitesimple // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:55 PM

    aubemayang or remy would be ideal mike ashley thanks.
    also hope debuchy is true but it wont happen tomorrow, not a chance, maybes later in the month

  • 27 tequilamag // Dec 31, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    Check it cuts both ways. Debuchy has been angling for a move to us since the Summer. Presumably it`s ok to be mercenary when it benefits Newcastle.

  • 28 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:00 PM

    The thing you have to appreciate with Ba is he has a degenerative knee condition. ‘Unproductive’ talks at Chelski probably revolved around their medical staff waving a scan picture in the air and saying ‘no chance son, unless you wanna go halvies on the medical insurance’. Put yourself in his shoes, he has feasibly got a much shorter career than most footballers, he does not know when the knee might suddenly retire him, so his agenda is by definition even more mercenary than the average gold-hunter aka pro footy player.

    Problem is he has to throw loyalty out of the limo window, so you have to be fine with that, and him scoring for us while he is here, or wave bye-bye and thanks for the memories. He is not designed to be a NUFC legend after all. Just someone who passed through and did the job paid for, more than can be said for the likes of many we have had.

  • 29 h0sta // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    if demba ba stays we will be relegated i would bet – absolutely hate him as a player…pray for him to leave!

  • 30 ajcrawfs // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:01 PM

    There should be more talk of a cb we desperately need one!

  • 31 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    Indian – no he was ‘injured’ wasnt he? I suppose we have to see whether that ‘injury’ was real or transfer-related protection of the merchandise 😉

  • 32 check the toastie // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:02 PM

    tequilamag – of course it is, i dont follow Lille, and clearly we are offering a massive chance for Debuchy, a major upgrade in both career and wages.

    Dont think Debuchy was hawked around europe by his advisors to the highest bidder, we made a bid and then discussed with his club, in this case Ba is trying to move regardless of any discussion with NUFC. Totally different, but i care about NUFC not about Lille for f##ks sake, stating the obvious.

  • 33 nick_9 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:06 PM

    Cheick we signed him as a stop gap, a free agent after selling our unloyal local lad for £35 yet some still want him back even though he jumped ship. He had no pride in the shirt even comin from the area so why should Ba? We also gave him the release clause so we provided him with te ammunition. It seems we’re happy to have the quality service but not pay the going rate. It’s all about compromise, he deserves more but we aren’t the club to offer 100k so he stays with current deal, signs a new one or leaves. The guy has been doin his job all season and a few press reports link him away and everyone sees red, blames him for cisse not scoring and say he is detrimental. Is beggars belief.

  • 34 Marty-Toon // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:07 PM

    Pride in the shirt man
    Nearly all if not all play for the money these days.
    You think shearer came cheap?
    His wages were probably the best in the club and he’s from the area,he wouldn’t have come unless there was a big pay packet.
    He did choose us over Manu but we gave him as good a wage as he would have go there,had it been half then I think he’d have gone he other way.
    Don’t be deluded,BA deserves at least 70grand a week with his ability.
    It’s his brothers that are putting him around the shops,they want their pay day too.
    He of course could just sign the deal offered by the Toon but we don’t know how good tht was.

  • 35 nick_9 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    Oh and I see no animosity at the club with Ba, he isn’t going on strike sulking. He is just getting on with his job and If you ignored the media you wouldn’t know any different. Pardew doesn’t seem to be making a big deal of it.

  • 36 tequilamag // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    Check from the players point of view there is no difference at all, They are both trying to get the best deals available to them. I don`t blame the club for not offering stupid money to BA as he has serious knee issues, but I don`t think the player has done anything wrong either. If he was being played and was sulking and not making a contribution I would agree with you, but without his goals we would have been stuffed this season.
    But yeah drop him and if we get relegated because Cisse still can`t score then at least we will have taught Ba a lesson.

  • 37 check the toastie // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:09 PM

    Tsunki – as Pardew says we have made him an improved offer, if he is currently on 40k a week, then i imagine it must be 60 k a week, 3 million a year over 4 years 12million, yep, would imagine it wll be tough to make that last the rest of your years. Laughable.

    Trying to say we should understand the poor lads predicament with his knee, he could fill his boots with cash by staying with the toon, however he is trying to sieze the moment and cash in, no problems with that, however he needs to appreciate the consequences of his actions, and that for me should be an instant removal from the first team squad.

    Anybody else give me an example when a Toon player has thought he was bigger than the club and got away with it.

    What has this club turned into 🙁

  • 38 Marty-Toon // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    You hate BA as a player???
    Why?because he scores goals for us??
    Do you mean you hate what’s goin on with his contract or do you actually mean hating his playing ability??
    Some people talk garbage on here

  • 39 Marty-Toon // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Nick 9
    Well said

  • 40 northernirishtoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    People need to stop giving him grief for not being ‘loyal’ as there is no loyalty in football anymore (andy Carroll!!!!). Ba has been our most prolific scorer since shearer and we should be doing everything to keep him

  • 41 Magpies-till-d3ath // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:14 PM

    Ba is better than Cisse atm! Cisse has shown glimpses of his form last year! Demba always scores. 16 last season and 13 in 20 games this season and yet people want him out? He was amazing with Best as best was more of a provider than Cisse and shouldn’t have been sold! Pardew has to see that if he wants success, he needs to drop one of them, and the one I’d drop is Cisse as Ba guarantees goals. Wake Up lads!!! Do you actually think it’s his fault that there is a stupid clause in his contract?

  • 42 Rich T // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    I’m struggling to believe all the hate against Ba currently – sure he may well want to earn more money (wouldn’t we all?!) but he continues to perform on the pitch and is one of the few bright points in our season so far.

    His agents are making waves, but then that’s hardly a first in football, and the player himself hasn’t come out and said he wants to move – yes we’d like it if he stated in black and white (pun intended) that he was definitely staying, but even if he did that it wouldn’t mean he would actually stay (as footballers have been known to lie as well!).

    Whilst he plays for Newcastle I shall be supporting him 100% – if/when he leaves I shall curse him with the rest no doubt, but not until then as he hasn’t done anything to deserve it.

  • 43 nick_9 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    It’s probably the last contract he will sign, he’s 28 in may you know. We’re trying to negotiate to take the clause out and he rightly wants more money. Of course negotiations are goin to be tricky, he won’t want to agree on 60k a week and then carry on scoring 15-20 league goals for that amount. It has to be worthwhile for him to remove the clause and its us who want it removed. He apparently turned down Qpr but Chelsea are a very attractive proposition for any footballer regularly outside the top four. Bale won’t always stay at Tottenham and not will fellani of Everton. Our dire season and lack of strengthening is bound to upset any footballer at the club who wants to achieve something, I would be annoyed with Ashley if I worked there. Pardew has gone on record to say he loves the club so if he does leave its going to be a good club he leaves for

  • 44 mot7 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:16 PM

    For F***S sake pardew the agents might be greedy T**TS but if demba wanted to stay he could easily sign the new contract and theres not a lot the agents can do about it .
    The agent are instucted buy the player and you know this so stop filling the fans full of shite you cockney T**T .

  • 45 Marty-Toon // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    I think if we sell him we win with a few million to spend although we lose a great goal scorer yet we get this clause off our backs(thanks for everything Harry big mouth)
    I think we also win if we get him to re-sign at our place and remove the clause.
    Either way we will win as long as a decent replacement is found quickly with scenario 1

  • 46 Super Magpie // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:17 PM

    Anyway, I’m off.

    Happy new year to you all and all the best.

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:18 PM

    Hope nobody at Lille reads the chronicle or we could see the goalposts on Debuchy being moved,and am I being too cynical in thinking this Debuchy move is only because of a broken toe.

  • 48 bills-son // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    This whole Ba saga is becoming a total bore.

    The bottom line is he has a release clause, we’ve made him an offer, and he’s turned it down.

    If he doesn’t go in this window the ball is totally in NUFC’s court. IMO if he doesn’t go we should tell him he has until 7th Feb to sign the new contract or it will be withdrawn. If we leave the contract on the table that will be a joke.

    Ba will have had two windows to find a new club – and lets face it, if nobody pays him what he wants what does that tell you? Simple – he aint worth the gamble.

    Nice guy, bad guy, scoring goals – it doesn’t matter – find a new club this window or sign NUFC’s contract by 7th February. End of.

  • 49 AS MAGS // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    Oh dear demba move fails,what a dressing room we’re gonna have. The bloke has shown zero class along with his muppets, he should never play for us again,he is the slime that’s everything wrong with football

  • 50 check the toastie // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    Dont think people are giving the necessary long term problems that this saga may cause, its all about the team and the club, how can you play somebody who has his advisors currently trying to get a move away from the club.

    We are in a dogfight we need players who are up for it, move Cisse into the position he should be playing in and banish Ba to the Dungeons for me

    To be honest i prefer Cisse as a player over Ba, so would actually move the team around to suit our No.9

  • 51 Special K // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:23 PM

    Just read this morning that one of Demba’s many agents who’ve been shopping him around is none other than that scumbag Barry Silkman. For those of you with short memories or don’t know, this is the same agent who was caught on tape telling Sir Bobby that he hoped his cancer spread to every part of his body and that he lived longer so he could suffer longer.

    I’m sorry but if any of our players are represented by this pathetic excuse for a human being, they either cut ties with him instantly or get the hell out of our club. Calling the man a lowlife would be an insult to some of the scumbags out there.

    If this is who Demba has had “renegotiating” his NUFC contract as well as hawking from bidder to bidder, then good luck. I’d rather we lost him for nowt than that filth Silkman get a penny in commission off any transfer!

  • 52 nick_9 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Marty you seem levelheaded. I honestly wish this situation never aros. Ba is definitely the best striker we have had since shearer for doing what he is paid to do. To lose a player like Ba for 5 million is not good business. It certainly won’t be easy to replace him for that otherwise we wouldn’t have spent 9 million on cisse. I personally would be happy to ride the storm a bit longer, benefit from his goals and scout for his replacement. Judging by some fans reactions he is probably going to get booed if he plays against Everton and that is not going to send out a good message. Thanks for the 13 goals for half the going rate, boooo. I think it’s best he left now and the club find a replacement, someone who can play with cisse if need be.

    Also as far as contract negotiations go is there any reason we struggle with Ashley in charge? I seem to remember Enrique stating we offered him less money to sign a new deal, Enrique speaks out about Ashley, moves on and he is the bad guy.

  • 53 joe // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Cheick toastie

    I don’t get why you say Ba is being selfish! Isn’t he entitled to feel as though he should be playing centrally because he is after all A STRIKER!? I think he kicked off a fuss because playing on the wing meant that he missed out on goal bonuses which we promised him IF he scored goals for us!

    Let’s see how you would feel if whoever you’re working for asks you to do a job where you won’t be getting any bonuses you were promised at the start. That and makes you feel devalued. We’ll see if you’re willing to “take one for the team” and be such a team player like you’ve been preaching from the start.

  • 54 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Like him or not ba is proven goalscorer in a relegation battle 12 for west ham
    Cisse’s never had the pressure of a relegation fight not saying he wouldn’t cope but i’d rather have 2 top strikers than 1 simply because he’s upset you
    Ffs man your banging on like he’s micheal owen!

  • 55 nick_9 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Jail I think we went for Debuchy because of the Simpson injury. If not i think we would of held off another 2-3 weeks

  • 56 bills-son // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:30 PM

    Come on man Jail, another conspiracy theory over Debuchy to go with the ‘only made noises about players in the summer to keep the fans sweet’.

    Ashley signed Cisse for £9M when Ba was scoring for fun – where was the conspiracy in that?

    Ashley is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. He gets slaughtered for not signing players and then gets conspiracy nonsense thrown at him when he does.

    He sells AC for £35M and for the same money we got Tiote, Cabaye, Santon, Ba, Cisse, Anita, Marveaux and Oba. The hard ball he played to pull that off didn’t work in the summer. Simpla as. He’s hopefully recognised that and done deals before the window opened so that he’s not held to ransom as the deadline day approaches. Its a fool who doesn’t learn from his mistakes – and Ashley is no fool thats for sure.

  • 57 h0sta // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:32 PM

    i honestly hate his ability..he always chooses wrong thing to do with the ball, is really slow and scraps one pass by another – same as papiss – but what f***s me most is he always shoots outside of the box when he has two mates sprinting on his left and right hand – simply don ´t like this type of player – shola is technical genius in comparison with demba and papiss has a better eye for pass … i have to say demba ba is a beast, his goalscoring is amazing but 10 players on the field suffer because of him….thats what i see..but in the end it´s pardew who i fault i would always play two wingers and one cf (oba cisse marv, hba cisse marv, oba ba jonas) because its much more quicker and dangerous attack than when you playing two big guys up front who cant beat a player in run or pass the ball between selves…there is always somebody who will score the goal when the team behind him is playing well…and don´t call me idiot 😉

  • 58 proudtobageordie // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    well said bill son

  • 59 nick_9 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Bills we can’t afford for him to be foolish whilst we’re averaging a point a game and also a n injury every game.

    Williamson is back for Everton, hopefully Anita is, Simpson out. Two steps forward one step back

  • 60 mot7 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    BA may want to stay if so he should sign a contract i belive he is torn between staying and moving which would generate a lot of cash for his family { agents } i think if he had independant agents this would be sorted the fact is his family want to make a lot of cash out of him while they can and he may find it hard to let them down .
    If so he should grow some balls and tell the leeches to do one .
    IF he realy wants to go then he should inform his greedy family that he is moving werever he wants and they should accept it either way he should stop tearing the arse out of it grow some balls and get on with it.

  • 61 proudtobageordie // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    the debeuchy deal was done last week before simmo got injured so that conspiract theory is dead in the water

  • 62 nick_9 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    Bills I don’t want to be pedantic but we didn’t get all those players for £35. I don’t want to detract from your point though that we have done some excellent business. 35 million pound for a player who scored. 14 premier league goals for us and only 7 since. Most of our players seem to be around the 5 million bracket and they are very good players for that. If we can sign another centre back we look far more rounded but still need cover at fullback, upfront and on the wings.

  • 63 Beattie25 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:41 PM

    I see we’ve been linked with Allieadiere again.

    That’s more like the NUFC I know and love. Demba to go on the last day of the window and Jeremie to come in on a free.

  • 64 h0sta // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    yes i dont like his football ability, he is good in goalscoring, but can t pass is slow and hasn´t got much technique so he looses a lot of balls – i simply doesnt like him even if he scores a hattrick per game…in fact i m just upset that pardew is still playing cisse with ba together . he should bench one or another (of course i would bench ba) and play oba with marv as wingers..quicker and more dangerous way to score a goal imho – explained…

  • 65 Dannyo // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:44 PM

    @bills-son #55
    Have to say, that is a well worded post.
    Indeed damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
    The reason for his black and white stature is that he either fails or wins. There is no grey area with MA it seems.

    So either party can never truly be right, cause there’s no consistency… yet!

  • 66 Beattie25 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    Ashley should he damned if he doesn’t and damned if he does because of the way we have been treated and his multitude of mistakes in the time he has been here.

    The only way he will not be damned in my eyes is if he looks at the squad, realises where we need strengthening and invests.

    Until then he is a cockney Cnut with his own personal wealth at the heart of his interests.

    We think footballers are bad with their loyalty and quest for money. Our owner is worse than any footballer.


    When did you say Debuchy was joining?

  • 67 check the toastie // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    If Ba is actively looking for a move out of the club, he should be took out of the 1st team squad.

    Pretty simple for me.

  • 68 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    proudtobeanitk gets an extended run due to his guess about Chelski coming good. Where else is he not going I wonder? Inter?

    However he is right about the Debuchy deal, if his arrival is imminent it must have been under negotiation well before the Arsenal game.

  • 69 Nufc-83 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    The big problem if ba stays is does pards have the balls to drop cisse which i think would be unfair on the lad and damage his confidence further. Yet you can’t keep playing him outwide as lets be honest he’s useless there and its having a negative effect on him and the team. If ba goes this problem solves itself.

  • 70 Beattie25 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:52 PM

    I agree with check.

    I love Ba, despite being a greedy and selfish player, as he is top class.

    However if it cones to light that he authorised his people to talk to Chelsea he should be sent to Roy in the reserves.

    No player is bigger than the club. He has got away with far too much by refusing to play left side and selecting himself as a CF.

    All those asking where we would be if Ba hadn’t have scored 13 goals, with the same logic where would we be if Cisse had been played as a CF with Benny and Marv supporting?!

  • 71 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    I think Ba should not play on wednesday. one reason would be dressing room morale, the lads and the TEAM need to move on. 2nd to protect him so he does get his move. I think we should force the issue.

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:53 PM

    I would loved to be proved wrong as I was over the Maiga/STaylor injury and the SD shirt sponsor ship,but our worst ever premiership start and third delegation battle in the five years he has been here I think keep proving my distrust of him being valid,on Simmos injury and the Debuchy deal maybe a conspiracy theory but also very convenient timing,and ptbg how do you know the deal was done last week.

  • 73 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    …and Beattie’s point at the end of post 68. Cisse played in the right way scored for laughs last season, no fluke that, just sheer class goalscoring.

  • 74 Beattie25 // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:55 PM

    Who is Roy in the reserves?

  • 75 h0sta // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:56 PM

    i can´t agree more! bench him … sell him … and wish him all the best 🙂

  • 76 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    yeah ptbg – how do you know>, I am just surmising based on IF his arrival is imminent. Whats the inside line then?

  • 77 ba humbug // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:57 PM


    you are a true fan as everything is black and white to you.

    in reality life is never usually that simple

  • 78 ToonDownSouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:57 PM

    Holy crap you lot.

    Ba’s agents had a chat with Chelsea. That is all.

    Cabaye’s agents had a chat with Tottenham in the summer – I don’t see you all bitching about him!

  • 79 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    tell me I didnt just break the blog.

  • 80 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:59 PM

    Woah that was close! thought I had italic’d it.

  • 81 ToonDownSouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 3:59 PM


    You think Ashley would spend £5m + wages just to replace our right back for 3 games?

    THAT is the crazy idea mate 😀

  • 82 davetoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    praying Cisse can start scoring more goals like his goal against Arsenal.

    After Brighton, we have Norwich (A), Reading (H) & Villa (A), we need 7 pts minimum from those games IMO

  • 83 JackButler // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    If Ba is being touted around by people that don’t even represent him surely NUFC have to take legal action???
    As behind nearly every player is a greedy, manipulative, corrupt agent who is only out to line his own pockets

  • 84 Jail for Ashley // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Back on to Demba Ba,I think he was given assurance to play central or he would leave,now we all know or think he would leave regardless he should be going onto the left hand side of Cisse where the team was effect last season,if he threatens to leave because of it then tell him to try to find a club.
    We should bring Remy in regardless then we have options but with a possible 5M being reportedly already spent Mashley will already be going through the recommended dose of ulcer pills.

  • 85 ToonDownSouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:02 PM


    I’d honestly say 9 lol. We’ve got serious ground to make up since losing to Swansea, Southampton, Fulham, West Ham and Stoke!

  • 86 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Tbf there were a few after our 1st couple of games that though he’d had his turned so should go!

  • 87 Jail for Ashley // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    TDS ,
    No but I think they may have tried to off load Simmo first as is the norm when a replacement is bought.

  • 88 Beattie25 // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Cisse is one of the best natural goal scorers I have ever seen.

    I remember him at Frieburg scoring insane goals and then the same at NUFC.

    In Pardews never ending quest to turn all footballers in work horses we have taken away his biggest attribute, unsettling defenders and scoring goals.

    He is a dynamic player who rarely links the play but has almost a paranormal ability to find a position, get a chance and score.

    Playing up front with Demba has diluted his play. Playing long ball means he doesn’t thrive of creativity, playing right wing means he doesn’t get a chance to score, when Demba has the ball he knows Ba won’t pass as he’d rather shoot and with Guti he knows he’ll not get a decent cross.

    Look at his goals from last season. Cabs and Benny nearly everytime set him up but with the one dimensional football due to Ba’s demands he is as effective as Cattermole in the net.

    Put him central with either a pacey creative striker or as part of a 3 and he’ll score for fcuking fun.

    Ba is more detrimental to this team than his 13 goals are valuable.

    Ba leaving would force Pards to play the 4-3-3 we are all begging for.

    I guarantee nothing, but if Cisse played in a team without Ba he’d outscore him by 10-15 goals a season.

    Create for him and he will score.

  • 89 JackButler // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:05 PM


    I honestly don’t understand why Pardew hasn’t continues with Ba out on the left and Cisse through the middle. It worked really well last season, and if it is a case of Ba dictating where he plays then he should have been moved out in the summer

  • 90 davetoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:06 PM

    9pts would be awesome, really looking forward to when we can put out Anita and Cabaye as the central MF…

    maybe if Ba does leave, we could play 4-5-1 with Cisse up front and dominate the MF for a change

  • 91 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    I like ba i think he’s a cracking player so is cisse i think its up to the management to find a place for both and bring in remy regardless if they were serious with there statements abiut wanting to be in and around european spits every season
    But i agree with the sentiment that ba probably shouldn’t play against everton as his head wont be in the right place i’d save him for brighton saturday

  • 92 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    TDS – did Cabs ‘chat’ amount to the same thing? I think the thing about Ba is that for thse who cling to an ideal of ‘loyalty to the shirt’ he is the devil incarnate. I subscribe to the view he is by whatever personal circumstances he views he has, more of a mercenary outlook than most in his position. I dont worry about it, but the for-sale circus is a bit too public to do any good in the NUFC dresssing room. It should be ended by hook or by crook, either Ba publicly pulls the plug on the whole thing and signs his contract and gets on with it (not likely now) or he should be helped in his move in whatever way it can be done.

    I cant imagine the Toon being a happy place with a player rejected by several clubs because of his demands and staying until summer without signing a contract here. No money for him, and in summer we may even be offloading a proven striker for peanuts. nobody would win.

  • 93 colwell // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM

    I’m pretty certain Ba being in the squad is not ruining the morale, maybe Cisse but the others like HBA, Cabaye etc are very good friends with him.

    Why would any player who can play at the highest level in the prem and europe etc chose to stay with us? We are struggling, pay lower wages then all the top 4 so WHY should he want to stay?

    Losing our main goalscorer at this point of the season will never be a good thing and yet people say Cisse is better who cares? WTF. So Ba leaves will this mean we’ll stop conceding goals as up top we seem to be doing fine. We all know how we are run there are no guarantees he’ll be replaced and then we will be fu@ked.

  • 94 kevymartins // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    Anita might not be playing so its between perch, tav,debuchy

    mark douglas said debuchy is done so if we see him on tomorrow holding that top he could well play wed night

  • 95 ba humbug // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:10 PM


    I think AP realises that scoring partnerships don’t happen overnight and has persevered in trying to get the Dembas to play off each other. Some striking partnerships click immediately and some take time to develop. Can’t blame Pards for hoping it’ll fall into place.

  • 96 Ben Arfa (Either love him or Hatem) // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    @dembabafoot: Salut à tous. Rdv le 6 janvier pour le tournoi de football les princes de paris au gymnase pierre de coubertin à paris

    Think this means he’s got a medical for PSG on the 6th. Fair play if he’s leaving us for his boyhood club.

  • 97 davetoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    ” Pardew was hopeful that Anita will return to action for the game against Everton”

    is there any update on this info from yesterday’s paper?

  • 98 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM

    Have to say and I know this is controversial, but if Ba leaves we will be just fine. Even if we dont get another striker (unlikely as we need cover and a shola replacement anyway and campbell seemingly is not ready) look at the attacking midfield we have! We have no problems forward at all imo.

    DEFENCE to be sorted I dont care if anybody mid to forward is signed.

  • 99 JackButler // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    ba humbug

    I understand that, but putting Cisse out right has almost had us down to 10 men before a ball has been kicked!
    Ba on the left.Benny on the right and Cisse through the middle worked for us as Cisse’s record will prove, so why change something that isn’t broken? Especially when we’ve been struggle all season we should have reverted back to what we know gets us playing well and not persisting with something that simply isn’t working for us

  • 100 Beattie25 // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:15 PM

    All great striking partnerships are only as good as the creativity supplied from the midfield.

    Ba and Cisse will never be a good duo because of the tactical genocide committed nearly every game.

    If we had a creative left winger and a box to box midfielder like Sissoko, attacking full backs and competent defenders who like passing then 4-4-2 might work with Ba and Cisse.

    Until we have those players we should have never played that formation.

    You play your strongest hand, regardless if you don’t like the cards your dealt as it is the best way to win.

    Pardew is either too arrogant, too stupid or both.

  • 101 joe // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:16 PM

    Some of you lot are unbelievable. Of course a player should have a say in where he plays! Try playing Cabaye on the left for more than a few games and watch him walk right out of the club this summer!

  • 102 Jay K // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:19 PM

    Anyone no what is says what demba ba just tweeted

  • 103 kevymartins // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Ben Arfa it means

    Hi all. Appointment January 6 football tournament for the princes of paris at the gym stone coubertin in paris

  • 104 Nufc-83 // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Beattie two words- nail head

  • 105 nufc786 // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:21 PM

    Salut à tous. Rdv le 6 janvier pour le tournoi de football les princes de paris au gymnase pierre de coubertin à paris

    Hi all. Appointment January 6 football tournament for the princes of paris at the gym stone coubertin in paris

    from google translate where is niafron when you need him?????

  • 106 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:21 PM

    Ben arfa
    Well that clears that up eh!
    Fair play to him can’t begrudge him for wanting to go to his boyhood club like
    Good luck demba thanks for the goals you will be missed by some lad!
    If thats the case atleast its at the start of the window, mr ashley better pull his finger out and get in remy ASAP and the much needed CB without d1cking about over fees!

  • 107 Beattie25 // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:21 PM


    But that contradicts what Demba said in public.

    He said he didn’t care where he played as long it was for the good of the team.

    Playing Cabs on the left wouldn’t be good for the team.

    Playing Ba on the left would.

    Saying one thing and doing another is what upsets most people.

    Look at Ben Arfa. Prefers the no 10 role but accepts RW without any complaints.

    The manager should be in charge. Yes the player should say ‘I prefer…’ but ultimately the manager decides and if the player doesn’t like it but the team is winning then that player can fcuk off!

  • 108 Jay K // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:22 PM


    What does he mean then u no mate

  • 109 tequilamag // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Google translate says it means Hi all. Appointment January 6 football tournament for the princes of paris at the gym stone coubertin in paris

  • 110 Beattie25 // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:23 PM

    NUFC 83

    It’s better than the dick head i usually get.

  • 111 sweendog // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Ben Arfa (Either love him or Hatem) .. if that is Dembas real twitter account then I’d expect Sakho in as well .. watch this space ..

  • 112 kevymartins // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    It means he has a football tournament for the princes of paris jan 6th and he is at a gym in paris stone coubertin

  • 113 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:24 PM

    Lads it means he has put his name to a charity u-14 football tournament in Paris. It does not mean anything to do with PSG, this is a Parisian player doing something for charity in his home town.

    2+2 continues to =4.

  • 114 MrToon // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    Isn’t demba’s brother one of his agents? If so wouldn’t demba want whats best for both of them.

  • 115 Magpies-till-d3ath // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:27 PM

    Guess this kills off any doubts.

  • 116 Jay K // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    So If demba is still ours at the weekend he may play against Brighton then off 2 Paris 4 this kids tournament.

  • 117 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:28 PM

    btw Raylor started running to day. Jokes below please.

  • 118 drongo // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:29 PM

    The 442 IMO hasn’t worked for 3 reasons…

    Central midfield. Tote and Cabaye have started together I think twice all season….

    And secondly the wide midfielders. Look at successful 442 teams, Manu treble winning side or bobbys entertainers… Beckham and gigs for MU and Nobby and Robert for us- consistent delivery from both flanks…..
    Our wide players just can’t /don’t do this. They are more like second strikers (HBA, obertan, Marv)

    Thirdly and finally ba doesn’t pass. At all. Look at the number of times he would shoot from 25+ yards rather than play Cisse through. In the end cisse stops making the runs. If that’s as a result of him being on a performance related contract then it’s something the board need o address, but it’s sh!t for teamwork

  • 119 kevymartins // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    Demba ba =I need a dollar dollar a dollar is what I need ..Africans’ they start of with nothing then forget where they came from.

  • 120 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:30 PM

    This has been a long long trek this Debuchy thing. I think there should be a song about it.

  • 121 Nufc-83 // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Ba humbug i agree that partnerships can take time to develop for instance if you played rooney with cisse/Ba you would give it time as rooney can drop deep and create etc. However putting two natural goalscorers together and percivering with that is just plain stupid and would never work. Imagine two darren bents up top for instance it just ain’t gonna work ever. So pardew to me is gutless in not dropping one and if Ba stays i don’t think he will grow a pair soon just as guti will walk back in the starting 11.

  • 122 tequilamag // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Kevymartins, wtf is the African comment supposed to mean?

  • 123 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Charity work? But he’s a heartless mercenary devil worshiper??? 😉

  • 124 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    Ba’s passing touch is heavy, like very heavy. He seems to have decided its not for him 😉

  • 125 ToonDownSouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    We haven’t played 442 in weeks.. 😐

  • 126 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    Mr Toon
    I am sure I read somewhere that if it’s not one of his brothers it’s family members.
    A lot of Africans have brothers, parents, uncle tom bobbly and all as agents. Players tend to send a lot of money home to family villagers and friends.

  • 127 kevymartins // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    @teq its not racist or anything just the truth they all start with nothing you hear the storys aye he had no shoe’s /shin guards growing up then they get greedy and wan’t everything ffs he is looking around 100k a week ..But I suppose if carroll was on 100k a week he should be on 200

  • 128 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:35 PM

    tads – Recent times should tell you that charity work does not guarantee a nice person. Besides I never said he was the aforesaid hooved and horned trident-wielder.

  • 129 ba humbug // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:35 PM


    That is spot on.

    Sadly, we haven’t been able to play any system with conviction.

    When is your expert guide to football coaching coming out ?

  • 130 Mister Tuff // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    This Demba Ba farce is becoming like an episode of Benny Hill. With modern electronic communications this farce is being beamed around the world. It needs to be sorted out as soon as possible. The standing of the club will be damaged.
    If press reports are correct there is the potential that he might be going to PSG -they have loads of cash. Failing that perhaps Russia, Turkey or Shanghai.
    But what happens if he does not get sold -what should the club do. We been fed the idea of Cisse reverting back to CF. If Ba is not sold what should the club do. Play him on the left as per the second half of last season or play him in the reserves.
    My vote, for what it’s worth, would be to bin him after thanking him for his services. At any other club his first team days would be over.

  • 131 kevymartins // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:36 PM

    DAM stroked myself ba is french ;/

  • 132 ochytoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Careful, some might take that the wrong way

  • 133 Transfer Sage // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:37 PM

    Ba is less African than shola haha.

    Ba was raised in Paris…of Senegalese decent but not raised in that country

  • 134 tequilamag // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    Kevy no of course it`s not racist… although when you bring African into it and say things like “they all” to the untrained eye it could appear as if you are basing your argument on a stupid stereotype.

  • 135 elpaso_geordie // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    Beattie25 comment 86

    Spot on mate with everything you said,,

    some fans cant see past Ba’s 13 goals , i go to the games and he aint helping the team play whatsoever………

  • 136 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    Tads – I havent played 3rd Far Cry, no. I really blow at Fifa occasionally and have the odd sesh on some of the COD’s and Halo4 but I have no time these days to be a gamer like I did back in the day 🙁 used to work for a company that supported games that was a job I tell you. Bit like a pro footballers job. 😉

  • 137 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:40 PM

    Why are you on about 4-4-2 we havent played that ages!

  • 138 kevymartins // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    @ochytoon I rethought that and got it the wrong way around .When you think about it the african players are the one’s that accept there contract don’t ask for a penny more and get on with it Tiote Pinnear

    where’s niafron let’s get stuck into the french ..Ah crap are whole team is french ;/

  • 139 sirtoongospel // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Kevy, that’s a wide statement that probably isn’t fair on loads of players. Our number 9 for one is as down to earth as it gets. And he cares deeply about his home town.

  • 140 carloz // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    Normally just enjoy reading comments but decided to join up after phone call from my mate.
    Lescott at Newcastle airport today, not saying he’s Definatly signed but fingers crossed.

  • 141 toonarmydownsouth // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    I know what you mean mate barely get a look in at the Xbox these days!
    Must of been a great job that!

  • 142 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:42 PM

    Ha ha for all you 3 nutters that picked up on my username and started stalking sorry following me on Twittington Common boy have you wasted your time ha ha


  • 143 ba humbug // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:42 PM


    I was trying to put a point of view from a manager’s perspective. I don’t necessarily agree with the tactic as I’m not a 4-4-2 person, but it was worth a try. If he could have got them to work together then the sum would have been greater than the total of the parts.

    Personally, I would have loved to see both Dembas playing each other in. But that’s life.

    Agree on Rooney. I think RVP and Rooney complement each other because Rooney has a bigger toolchest. That is his strength as a player.

  • 144 ochytoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    I know what you meant, it just seemed a tad unfair to group all African footballers. Look at Eto’o for example, he gives something like 80% of his wage to charity.

  • 145 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:45 PM

    Tads – that was the time when Quake Arena ran blisteringly fast on the company network. We worked Pacific time shifts so many a night of murderous mayhem on the payroll there. (sighs) 🙂

  • 146 drongo // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    I mention 442 because that’s the only way to play with 2 out and out strikers (which can be done of course- yorke/cole, shearer/Ferdinand,)

  • 147 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:46 PM

    ochy – that still means he keeps quite a bit though, eh? I’d give 95% if I was offered his wage tomorrow ha ha.

  • 148 Beattie25 // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:47 PM

    Ba humbug

    I’m no expert but I have common sense. That’s all that’s needed. You don’t need coaching badges to see where our team is going wrong.

    If I was the only one saying it I’d welcome the sarcasm but I’d hazard a guess that 90% of fans think 4-4-2 doesn’t work with the players we have.

  • 149 Sazzer // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:47 PM

  • 150 JackButler // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:48 PM

    So apart from Debuchy who are our realistic targets defensively???
    Toby Alderweireld and Stéphane Mbia would two players I’d love to see come to us but doubt that’ll happen, so else is there???

  • 151 ochytoon // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:52 PM

    Even so, players like Ronaldo, Rooney and Van Persie are all on similar wages yet I’m not aware of them doing anything similar. It’s the principle. more than anything.

  • 152 Tsunki // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    quote fro Pards back in May –

    “Enrique didn’t play in Liverpool’s last game (against Chelsea). After the FA Cup final I bet he’ll be hurting.

    “All of those things add up. He’ll be probably looking at us thinking ‘Blimey what if they get into the Champions League?’. The grass isn’t always greener.”

    Oh, Alan.

  • 153 Billythefish // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    Love Ba for the goals he has scored for us but its time to get rid. Personally I would not play him on Wednesday, let Cisse play up top.
    I think for once Ashley is backed into a corner, he has no option but to show his hand in the transfer window. Soon we will know what he’s about. Sounds daft but the injuries and Ba saga could be what gives him the kick up the arse required to get us moving in the right direction.
    If we had been in the top 8 and not had injuries, he would be thinking he was correct not to speculate to accumulate.

  • 154 Transfer Sage // Dec 31, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    I don’t mind Ba wanting to leave, everyone wants what’s best for themselves.

    Players weigh up a few things when they move.

    -new club (step up or down, are they willing to play at that level and are they willing to play less or more games)
    -family ( are their family settled in the area and do they want to move far or at all)

    There is a balance. Demba might want 80k a week to stay here but might take a bit less at a top side challenging for titles or ask for even more to go to a team o less stature or in a lower country

  • 155 ba humbug // Dec 31, 2012 at 5:10 PM


    I’m no fan of 4-4-2 either, but you are expressing only one opinion. It is yours and you think its right but I very much doubt you have the level of insight the Toon management team have in working with the real human beings who actually kick a ball.
    Life is much more complicated than your simple analysis.
    Certainty is a dangerous quality.
    Unfortunately I think we can see an underlying arrogance from AP too which may have made him too slow and less analytical about how things have gone wrong. But he seems to be learning from his own dodgy spell (just as the players are) and if Batman and Robin give him the tools to do the job we could still be a top ten finisher.

  • 156 mickg108 // Dec 31, 2012 at 10:30 PM

    Sick of this now,,Demba’s Agents/Ponces work for Him,,He’s in Control,,sack the Fuchers & STATE,,What He Wants,,FFS He’s an Adult..

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