It’s Sobering, But Newcastle Cannot Compete With Big Clubs


It’s’s been very sobering the way Chelsea have moved in for Demba Ba over the last few days, and although he’s not yet officially a Chelsea player, it shows that Newcastle just cannot compete with the big boys in the Premier League, and when we get a player approaching world-class – we cannot hold onto him – even though we tried in the case of Ba.

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And if you think what’s happened in the Premier League over the last five years or so, two clubs have emerged to join the perennial top four, and they’ve become two of the top six – and those two clubs are Manchester City and Tottenham.

Manchester City have become a good team because their Arab owners have spent over £800M on the club since they bought the club in August of 2008, and yes that helps, and before that Manchester City were an ordinary club and certainly in the shadows of Manchester United.

But no longer, and City have become a definite threat to Manchester United’ dominance in the Premier League, and we dare say if Mike Ashley had spent £800M on new players for Newcastle, we’d be close to where City are right now.

And what have Newcastle done over the last five years?

We were relegated four years ago, but we had come back very well indeed and finished 5th top last year and we got back into Europe – and it was an unbelievable season.

It seems even more unbelievable now, because a combination of injuries, extra games in Europe, and poor form from our fit players since November, and we’ve made a nasty habit of losing games, and now we are 6th bottom of the league with just 20 points from 21 league games played, and we have 11 defeats already – as many as we has all last season.

So even if we can come away the best we could probably do is get in the upper half of the league table, but there will be no European competition next season, and that’s probably good because we haven’t got a big enough squad.

So our progress seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall this season, and after our form over the last eleven league games, we’ll be happy enough to still be in the Premier League next season.

Such is the ambitions of what we are – a second tier club in the Premier League – and as Alan Pardew keeps telling us all the time – we simply cannot compete financially with the big clubs.

He’s right, and if we hadn’t really believed that before, the Chelsea move for one of our best players Demba Ba in the middle of the season, has shown that to be true.

That’s the brutal reality about Newcastle United at the moment, and it’s certainly not a happy thought.

But maybe Newcastle will surprise us in January, and bring in four good players to strengthen the squad?

We’ll know soon enough.

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123 comments so far

  • obatoyou

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    Comment #1

    Hi !! First!

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  • Toon_Tom

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:18 AM

    Comment #2

    We were competing with the “big guns” ALL last season.

    During the summer it was the perfect time to invest – we failed

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  • 89Norcal

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    Comment #3

    AmericanMagpie

    Exactly, that’s how I picked em too lol.

    I’ve been a toon fan for 7 years now, admit it was partly from the Goal movies I’ve been a Barca fan for 12 years though, I have fam over there

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  • PortsladeToon

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    Comment #4

    Not sure everyone should start capitulating yet, we are not in the same position as we was in the 08/09 season, but Martin Atkinson should be made unavailable for our next 50 or so games the guy obviously hates us even a blind man can see that

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  • WesJameson

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:23 AM

    Comment #5

    The sad truth Ed, is that, unless we get quite a few signings through, and they don’t make an immediate impact….like was said on the previous thread…Scum and Toon, down…and Smogies back up…..F@#$ing PATHETIC!!!!!

    Thinking about giving football up, Love this club so much, but its bad for my ticker….well so says the doctor, can’t handle this shite anymore

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  • davo

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Comment #6

    The headline should read “Newcastle CHOOSE not to compete with the big boys”. Our owner is billionaire for god’s sake

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  • Colo-Sus

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Comment #7

    Can I remind everyone that a few months back out fearless leader Alain Pardeu said the following

    “We operate in a different league to Everton” since that comment we have list to them twice an drawn once ( we were v lucky to draw )

    This window is crucial: last nights the first half was better but we lost it after half time.

    Ashley and Lambias need to invest fairly heavily and ASAP:

    We need a CB, RB, 2xST, CM, Young winger,

    It’s not good enough anymore, I’m sick of the excuses,
    Injuries or not clubs with lesser squads in terms of quality are doing far better this season, WBA for eg

    Sort this shit out or we will be relegated, we need to get effing real here!!!!

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  • Colo-Sus

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:25 AM

    Comment #8

    Can I remind everyone that a few months back out fearless leader Alain Pardeu said the following

    “We operate in a different league to Everton” since that comment we have list to them twice an drawn once ( we were v lucky to draw )

    This window is crucial: last nights the first half was better but we lost it after half time.

    Ashley and Lambias need to invest fairly heavily and ASAP:

    We need a CB, RB, 2xST, CM, Young winger,

    It’s not good enough anymore, I’m sick of the excuses,
    Injuries or not clubs with lesser squads in terms of quality are doing far better this season, WBA for eg

    Sort this shit out or we will be relegated, we need to get real here!!!!

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  • 89Norcal

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:26 AM

    Comment #9

    You guys need to analyze our situation. The more you do, the easier this run will be to swallow.

    We played the 4 most in form clubs pretty much consecutively, with a paper thin squad, with two of those being away. Our defense and midfield is shot because of injuries.

    The second half will be much brighter. And relegation..I’m pretty sure those bottom 3 spots are accounted for come Spring, and we won’t be near them.

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  • alex84

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    Comment #10

    Colo – spot on mate, we need 4 at least, for me a Sissoko type midfielder , box to box who can take the game by the scruff of the neck, Tiote has lost it for me! A liability…he does not provide anything other than pointless fouls and bookings. Marv looked good again.

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  • 89Norcal

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:31 AM

    Comment #11

    Colo-Sus

    WBA’s team is mostly fit, aren’t they? So regardless of their 1st team quality, they have far more chemistry than us, where we are using an experimental and very young midfield.

    I mean Bigi went from playing for Coventry to running around the midfield with Man Utd and City.

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  • Papiss9

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:34 AM

    Comment #12

    Toon_tom

    Spot on, and everybody knew that, but the newcastle board.

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  • 89Norcal

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:34 AM

    Comment #13

    Oh yeah, and our backline is Championship quality right now. Can’t believe the amount of ball-watching Willo does, he should by front row season tickets…

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  • WesJameson

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    Comment #14

    @ davo // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Couldn’t agree more

    Ed, you might have to listen to Davo on this one

    It 100% should read…Newcastle CHOOSE not to compete with…. well, anyone, quite frankly

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  • RonVanDam

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    Comment #15

    Ba leaving is Pardews fault. Why? He let Ba control him, imagine if Cisse and BA were rotated as CF most of the season, maybe our fortunes wouldve been different. Maybe Cisse wouldve banged in 13 goals and Ba 4. He wouldve been still here as Cisse would look better of the 2 and Ba’s ability to demand more in wages wouldnt be as high and couldve signed 60-70k that MA offered him to get rid of the buy out clause

    I know Cisse started the season slow but has come roaring back in the last 6 games

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  • 89Norcal

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:43 AM

    Comment #16

    RVD

    I think that’s a stretch as far as explanations go…

    Ba is just like any other typical lone striker – inherently selfish. If strikers like him aren’t scoring goals, they become unsettled very easily. He left because Chelsea nearly doubled his wages and he’s playing for a CL side, which was in his plan all along, whether he helped us or transferred, hence the clause.

    The problem was we bought two CF’s that thrive alone. Cisse, I understand, was Pardew’s first target, but Freiburg wanted over 10m for him at the time, so we ran with Ba.

    We thought signing both would be heaven on earth since they are both Senegalese, and it didn’t work.

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  • obatoyou

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    Comment #17

    results go up and down like a merry go round! Next month, we’ll be undefeated and through to the semis of Europa league! just wait.

    Give us music when we expect trouble.
    Give us tears when we expect breakfast.
    Give us dreams when we expect a storm.
    Give us a stray dog when we expect congratulations.
    God play with us, turn us sideways and around.

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  • Sawbuck

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    Comment #18

    Its true that we cannot compete with clubs like Chelsea. But it’s also important to note why: they all have foreign money behind them. Its not as though they did it themselves.

    All the more reason to doff your cap to Everton.

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  • Les Grossman

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    Comment #19

    We alaways knew Ba would f!!ck off as soon as someone stumped up more cash fromhim, and yet he oprifessed on his own twitter account how much he loved Newcastle and wanted to stay….MERC.

    Anyway I digress, Pardew for me has been the main reason we are in this predicament, i have stuck by him long enough, i now believe that he has been the victim of his own success last season and now seems to have an ego the size of Fat Sams.

    How did he not see Ba was off and yet oersisted in letting him play where he wanted whilst playing our best finisher on the right wing?

    DISDGRACEFUL, and yet his blatant stubborness and EGO also made him stick his two fingers up to the paying public and stuck Cisse out on the wing again last night…………

    We are in the shit big time and we are now on the verge of imploding…..even with the signing of world superstar debuchy the saviour!! (Tongue in cheek)

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  • jettson1971

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Comment #20

    Simply not good enough
    Blame lies with Pardew, Ashlley & Lambarse! for not investing in summer, any fool would have known extra games and injuries crop up! we are too short in numbers and quality, yes our starting 11 is great, but how many times have we had them on pitch??
    We MUST but Debuchy, a strong centre back, a box to box midfielder who can score and a striker, Shola to his credit tries hard but he is not a starting player, more a sub for 20mins as he does not have the mobility any longer (or has he ever?)
    Sort it out now Pards or move out

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  • spitfire_

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    Comment #21

    Ed, with this manager even if Ashley spend 2 billion we will not be even close to the top.

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  • gaz 44

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    Comment #22

    lets get this straight thou people who say well everton haven’t spent big.. how long has David moyes had to mould his squad there were many times he could get sack.. he still constantly plays the long ball.. yet everyone full of praise . pardew is just in his second full season and some fans are so sort sighted its time to call for his head

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  • Toon_Tom

    Jan 3, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    Comment #23

    Spitfire @21

    I dissagree – fair enough Pards has made some mistakes but who doesnt.

    He is still the right man for the job, i think the players respect him and he can be a good tactician.

    Although Ashley has steadied the ship, the blame still lies with him and derek. To compete with the top teams we simply MUST invest.

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  • foggonridiculous

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Comment #24

    @ 89 Norcal

    I like your approach and analysis.
    …we do need to keep our heads.

    Just my opinion but I don’t think Ba would have stayed whatever we did.
    He represents too big an earning opportunity for the assorted football pondlife around him who collected good money off us when he signed and will doubtless do so again from Chelsea…though they should be careful not to take too many liberties with the ruthless Abramovic or they might end up in the Thames 🙂

    It’s crucial that we get this window right and get in the right players for the right money.

    Debuchy would/will be a good start but – good as Santon is – I’d like to see a more defence-minded tough-tackling left back on the books together with a central defender that dominates the penalty box (I can dream can’t I…..?) all the best/better teams were/are built from the back.

    Ba is gone.. my attention is now on who we get in to partner Cisse and get the goals we will need to get us back up the right end of the table.

    HWTL… and ta for your blog Ed

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  • HullMag6

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Comment #25

    Ed caught me out – too quick, here’s a repost.

    I’d listen to bids for tiote after another batch of unnecessary free kicks in dangerous areas. Bring in sissoko and use with either cabs or anita as the centre pairing in a 4231.(2 from 3 in rotation). Or bring collo forward to dmc and build a new SOLID back line and using a 4141 formation. My thoughts for the day, get debs signed up and push onto next target with vigour.

    HWTL. We are where we are support the team and hope for the best.

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  • Pardews Perfect Battleplan

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Comment #26

    i take it signing debuchy will not make anybody feel any better?
    poor performances last night.
    i hope the tactics used were only because that’s what we’d been training and that next week cisse is up top alone or in a 2 with shola.

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  • spitfire_

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Comment #27

    Toon_Tom

    “Some mistakes”? Don’t make me laught early in the morning. This season he is full of mistakes… one big mistake if you will. Now u can tell me not to blame him for the poor run because the manager is not to blame when the team didn’t play a sh!t more than a half a season.

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  • Sir Braveheart

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Comment #28

    Got to laugh at the people saying we “NEED” 4 or 5 players to avoid relegation. We dont. We need a CB, that much is obvious, since we have no depth there. Debuchy gives us cover at RB and a bit more quality.

    Midfield? With Cabaye back in training, Anita, Bigi, Obertan, Marveaux, Perch, Tiote all fit, HBA to come back, I think we have enough cover.

    We need another striker to fill Ba’s position. Our only experienced strikers are Cisse and Shola, so another body is needed.

    Two players this window (three includibg Debuchy). Thats enough to see us mid table. In summer, if Ashley is serious about kicking on and progressing then we could do with additional cover at defence, mid and striker positions. Three players in and no one out in summer. Keep our players fit and we’ll be fine.

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    Comment #29

    Ive had a look at the points teams have got since Dec 1st
    All have played 7 except Southampton who have played 6 and Reading who have played 8
    Points bottom 9 have picked up since Dec 1st.
    were now points
    Norwich 16 24 8
    Fulham 17 24 7
    Mackems 13 22 9
    Toon 14 20 6
    Villa 13 19 6
    Southy 12 18 6
    Reading 9 13 4
    QPR 5 13 8

    And I thought we had the worst December/New Year of all the bottom teams not as bad as thought – GOT to kick on next three games

    WOULD?not play Cisse in cup game have no replacement if he gets injured.

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  • Pardews Perfect Battleplan

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    Comment #30

    on paper
    krul
    debuchy Colo saylor santon
    anita tiote
    hba cabaye marveaux
    cisse

    looks cracking if we get debuchy and have everyone fit. we need more depth though (obviously). come on lets kickstart a winning streak with brighton and push up the table hwtl!

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  • Santon03

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Comment #31

    Spitfire @21

    Totally agree.
    Even with the same squad but different manager, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Worst probably 10th.
    We have thrown away Soton, WHU, Stoke, Swansea games, that’s 12 points. If we have won those games we would have 32 points, that is 8th in the table.

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Comment #32

    Had a bad dream last night finished bottom with 21 pts
    started Championship with following team:

    Elliott
    Simpson Williamson Taylor Tavernier
    Taylor, Sammy, Gosling, Ferguson
    Ranger, Shola

    COS no one would buy them – not good enough, or always injured

    All the Foreign players left: too cold, too wet, No decent French food And Ashley got a Fee

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Comment #33

    Why are we still on about this – yes we cannot compete with the top four finansially, but neither can 15 other teams.

    …that means everything from 5th to 20th is more or less up for grabs (money is not going to be the straw that broke the camel’s back) Should we not try an focus on that we can effect – form is down and we are clearly a team without any philosophy and current with a manager without any identity (we do to adress that). We need a new CB and we need a new forward since Ba is leaving (preferbly someone who can both play along side Cisse our out wide on the left.

    This is something we all know we can do something bout, so lets get on with it and lets stop moaning about who we cannot compete with (it is not getting us anywhere)

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  • 89Norcal

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Comment #34

    foggonridiculous

    Exactly. The problem should be plain to see for everyone: defense.

    13 goals conceded in 3 games, yet we’ve been scoring more freely than ever before.

    That tells me our offense has improved (which it obviously has, just see everyone’s praise post-ManUtd) and our defense is $HIT to say the least.

    I’m semi-nervous having two attacking fullbacks, like you said. But Debuchy will fair better than Simmo at tracking back. We absolutely need a good CB.

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  • beefman13

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Comment #35

    This run we are having is just not acceptible, the failure of our manager to put our number9 in the centre forward position is nothing short of blasphmy, i cant understand it, why is pardew doing this, its weird its strange its bloody madness, shola is not going to get you more than 5 goals a season if he played there all season.

    Krul bas made half a dozen top saves last night, it pulledthe defense out of what could have been another hurricane of trouble, revamping needs to be done but is it to late, i said in an earlier post that when us and everton had their best teams out we were pretty equal, well on second thoughts distan jagielka bains heitinger for starters are better than ours, same old mistakes by ours and old man steptoe ie williamson needs running out of toon quicker than gary glitter at a cresche!

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  • Santon03

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Comment #36

    Toon Tom

    Even Glenn Roeder is better tactician than AP.

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  • RonVanDam

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    Comment #37

    13 goals in 3 games says it. Our defense should be high priority. Get Debuecy and 1 CB saylor will be back this month – dont know how how before he goes back to the physio table In summer – release Willo and Simmo for free and get 2 more CBs.

    Sign Sissko and a striker this window in case Cisse gets injured. Give Campbell some game time in the last 20mins of games we are winning by 2-3 goals to get him ready for next season like Daglish did with Sterling.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:16 AM

    Comment #38

    Like ppB says…our team do look cracking 🙂 (last night Everton was in the same predicament as us but they were the better side)

    …Everton has the same amount of injuries to the starting 11 as us (but you could not see that)

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    Comment #39

    …on paper at least 🙁

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  • Santon03

    Jan 3, 2013 at 8:22 AM

    Comment #40

    jesper

    yup

    everton didn’t spend much in transfer windows.
    The big difference is they have Moyes, we have fkn AP.

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