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It’s Sobering, But Newcastle Cannot Compete With Big Clubs

7:13 am, Thursday, January 3rd, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 123 Comments

It’s’s been very sobering the way Chelsea have moved in for Demba Ba over the last few days, and although he’s not yet officially a Chelsea player, it shows that Newcastle just cannot compete with the big boys in the Premier League, and when we get a player approaching world-class – we cannot hold onto him – even though we tried in the case of Ba.

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And if you think what’s happened in the Premier League over the last five years or so, two clubs have emerged to join the perennial top four, and they’ve become two of the top six – and those two clubs are Manchester City and Tottenham.

Manchester City have become a good team because their Arab owners have spent over £800M on the club since they bought the club in August of 2008, and yes that helps, and before that Manchester City were an ordinary club and certainly in the shadows of Manchester United.

But no longer, and City have become a definite threat to Manchester United’ dominance in the Premier League, and we dare say if Mike Ashley had spent £800M on new players for Newcastle, we’d be close to where City are right now.

And what have Newcastle done over the last five years?

We were relegated four years ago, but we had come back very well indeed and finished 5th top last year and we got back into Europe – and it was an unbelievable season.

It seems even more unbelievable now, because a combination of injuries, extra games in Europe, and poor form from our fit players since November, and we’ve made a nasty habit of losing games, and now we are 6th bottom of the league with just 20 points from 21 league games played, and we have 11 defeats already – as many as we has all last season.

So even if we can come away the best we could probably do is get in the upper half of the league table, but there will be no European competition next season, and that’s probably good because we haven’t got a big enough squad.

So our progress seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall this season, and after our form over the last eleven league games, we’ll be happy enough to still be in the Premier League next season.

Such is the ambitions of what we are – a second tier club in the Premier League – and as Alan Pardew keeps telling us all the time – we simply cannot compete financially with the big clubs.

He’s right, and if we hadn’t really believed that before, the Chelsea move for one of our best players Demba Ba in the middle of the season, has shown that to be true.

That’s the brutal reality about Newcastle United at the moment, and it’s certainly not a happy thought.

But maybe Newcastle will surprise us in January, and bring in four good players to strengthen the squad?

We’ll know soon enough.

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123 responses so far ↓

  • 1 obatoyou // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    Hi !! First!

  • 2 Toon_Tom // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:18 AM

    We were competing with the “big guns” ALL last season.

    During the summer it was the perfect time to invest – we failed

  • 3 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:19 AM


    Exactly, that’s how I picked em too lol.

    I’ve been a toon fan for 7 years now, admit it was partly from the Goal movies I’ve been a Barca fan for 12 years though, I have fam over there

  • 4 PortsladeToon // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    Not sure everyone should start capitulating yet, we are not in the same position as we was in the 08/09 season, but Martin Atkinson should be made unavailable for our next 50 or so games the guy obviously hates us even a blind man can see that

  • 5 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:23 AM

    The sad truth Ed, is that, unless we get quite a few signings through, and they don’t make an immediate impact….like was said on the previous thread…Scum and Toon, down…and Smogies back up…..F@#$ing PATHETIC!!!!!

    Thinking about giving football up, Love this club so much, but its bad for my ticker….well so says the doctor, can’t handle this shite anymore

  • 6 davo // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    The headline should read “Newcastle CHOOSE not to compete with the big boys”. Our owner is billionaire for god’s sake

  • 7 Colo-Sus // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Can I remind everyone that a few months back out fearless leader Alain Pardeu said the following

    “We operate in a different league to Everton” since that comment we have list to them twice an drawn once ( we were v lucky to draw )

    This window is crucial: last nights the first half was better but we lost it after half time.

    Ashley and Lambias need to invest fairly heavily and ASAP:

    We need a CB, RB, 2xST, CM, Young winger,

    It’s not good enough anymore, I’m sick of the excuses,
    Injuries or not clubs with lesser squads in terms of quality are doing far better this season, WBA for eg

    Sort this shit out or we will be relegated, we need to get effing real here!!!!

  • 8 Colo-Sus // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:25 AM

    Can I remind everyone that a few months back out fearless leader Alain Pardeu said the following

    “We operate in a different league to Everton” since that comment we have list to them twice an drawn once ( we were v lucky to draw )

    This window is crucial: last nights the first half was better but we lost it after half time.

    Ashley and Lambias need to invest fairly heavily and ASAP:

    We need a CB, RB, 2xST, CM, Young winger,

    It’s not good enough anymore, I’m sick of the excuses,
    Injuries or not clubs with lesser squads in terms of quality are doing far better this season, WBA for eg

    Sort this shit out or we will be relegated, we need to get real here!!!!

  • 9 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:26 AM

    You guys need to analyze our situation. The more you do, the easier this run will be to swallow.

    We played the 4 most in form clubs pretty much consecutively, with a paper thin squad, with two of those being away. Our defense and midfield is shot because of injuries.

    The second half will be much brighter. And relegation..I’m pretty sure those bottom 3 spots are accounted for come Spring, and we won’t be near them.

  • 10 alex84 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    Colo – spot on mate, we need 4 at least, for me a Sissoko type midfielder , box to box who can take the game by the scruff of the neck, Tiote has lost it for me! A liability…he does not provide anything other than pointless fouls and bookings. Marv looked good again.

  • 11 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:31 AM


    WBA’s team is mostly fit, aren’t they? So regardless of their 1st team quality, they have far more chemistry than us, where we are using an experimental and very young midfield.

    I mean Bigi went from playing for Coventry to running around the midfield with Man Utd and City.

  • 12 Papiss9 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:34 AM


    Spot on, and everybody knew that, but the newcastle board.

  • 13 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:34 AM

    Oh yeah, and our backline is Championship quality right now. Can’t believe the amount of ball-watching Willo does, he should by front row season tickets…

  • 14 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    @ davo // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Couldn’t agree more

    Ed, you might have to listen to Davo on this one

    It 100% should read…Newcastle CHOOSE not to compete with…. well, anyone, quite frankly

  • 15 RonVanDam // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    Ba leaving is Pardews fault. Why? He let Ba control him, imagine if Cisse and BA were rotated as CF most of the season, maybe our fortunes wouldve been different. Maybe Cisse wouldve banged in 13 goals and Ba 4. He wouldve been still here as Cisse would look better of the 2 and Ba’s ability to demand more in wages wouldnt be as high and couldve signed 60-70k that MA offered him to get rid of the buy out clause

    I know Cisse started the season slow but has come roaring back in the last 6 games

  • 16 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:43 AM


    I think that’s a stretch as far as explanations go…

    Ba is just like any other typical lone striker – inherently selfish. If strikers like him aren’t scoring goals, they become unsettled very easily. He left because Chelsea nearly doubled his wages and he’s playing for a CL side, which was in his plan all along, whether he helped us or transferred, hence the clause.

    The problem was we bought two CF’s that thrive alone. Cisse, I understand, was Pardew’s first target, but Freiburg wanted over 10m for him at the time, so we ran with Ba.

    We thought signing both would be heaven on earth since they are both Senegalese, and it didn’t work.

  • 17 obatoyou // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    results go up and down like a merry go round! Next month, we’ll be undefeated and through to the semis of Europa league! just wait.

    Give us music when we expect trouble.
    Give us tears when we expect breakfast.
    Give us dreams when we expect a storm.
    Give us a stray dog when we expect congratulations.
    God play with us, turn us sideways and around.

  • 18 Sawbuck // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    Its true that we cannot compete with clubs like Chelsea. But it’s also important to note why: they all have foreign money behind them. Its not as though they did it themselves.

    All the more reason to doff your cap to Everton.

  • 19 Les Grossman // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    We alaways knew Ba would f!!ck off as soon as someone stumped up more cash fromhim, and yet he oprifessed on his own twitter account how much he loved Newcastle and wanted to stay….MERC.

    Anyway I digress, Pardew for me has been the main reason we are in this predicament, i have stuck by him long enough, i now believe that he has been the victim of his own success last season and now seems to have an ego the size of Fat Sams.

    How did he not see Ba was off and yet oersisted in letting him play where he wanted whilst playing our best finisher on the right wing?

    DISDGRACEFUL, and yet his blatant stubborness and EGO also made him stick his two fingers up to the paying public and stuck Cisse out on the wing again last night…………

    We are in the shit big time and we are now on the verge of imploding…..even with the signing of world superstar debuchy the saviour!! (Tongue in cheek)

  • 20 jettson1971 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Simply not good enough
    Blame lies with Pardew, Ashlley & Lambarse! for not investing in summer, any fool would have known extra games and injuries crop up! we are too short in numbers and quality, yes our starting 11 is great, but how many times have we had them on pitch??
    We MUST but Debuchy, a strong centre back, a box to box midfielder who can score and a striker, Shola to his credit tries hard but he is not a starting player, more a sub for 20mins as he does not have the mobility any longer (or has he ever?)
    Sort it out now Pards or move out

  • 21 spitfire_ // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    Ed, with this manager even if Ashley spend 2 billion we will not be even close to the top.

  • 22 gaz 44 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    lets get this straight thou people who say well everton haven’t spent big.. how long has David moyes had to mould his squad there were many times he could get sack.. he still constantly plays the long ball.. yet everyone full of praise . pardew is just in his second full season and some fans are so sort sighted its time to call for his head

  • 23 Toon_Tom // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    Spitfire @21

    I dissagree – fair enough Pards has made some mistakes but who doesnt.

    He is still the right man for the job, i think the players respect him and he can be a good tactician.

    Although Ashley has steadied the ship, the blame still lies with him and derek. To compete with the top teams we simply MUST invest.

  • 24 foggonridiculous // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    @ 89 Norcal

    I like your approach and analysis.
    …we do need to keep our heads.

    Just my opinion but I don’t think Ba would have stayed whatever we did.
    He represents too big an earning opportunity for the assorted football pondlife around him who collected good money off us when he signed and will doubtless do so again from Chelsea…though they should be careful not to take too many liberties with the ruthless Abramovic or they might end up in the Thames 🙂

    It’s crucial that we get this window right and get in the right players for the right money.

    Debuchy would/will be a good start but – good as Santon is – I’d like to see a more defence-minded tough-tackling left back on the books together with a central defender that dominates the penalty box (I can dream can’t I…..?) all the best/better teams were/are built from the back.

    Ba is gone.. my attention is now on who we get in to partner Cisse and get the goals we will need to get us back up the right end of the table.

    HWTL… and ta for your blog Ed

  • 25 HullMag6 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Ed caught me out – too quick, here’s a repost.

    I’d listen to bids for tiote after another batch of unnecessary free kicks in dangerous areas. Bring in sissoko and use with either cabs or anita as the centre pairing in a 4231.(2 from 3 in rotation). Or bring collo forward to dmc and build a new SOLID back line and using a 4141 formation. My thoughts for the day, get debs signed up and push onto next target with vigour.

    HWTL. We are where we are support the team and hope for the best.

  • 26 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    i take it signing debuchy will not make anybody feel any better?
    poor performances last night.
    i hope the tactics used were only because that’s what we’d been training and that next week cisse is up top alone or in a 2 with shola.

  • 27 spitfire_ // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:04 AM


    “Some mistakes”? Don’t make me laught early in the morning. This season he is full of mistakes… one big mistake if you will. Now u can tell me not to blame him for the poor run because the manager is not to blame when the team didn’t play a sh!t more than a half a season.

  • 28 Sir Braveheart // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Got to laugh at the people saying we “NEED” 4 or 5 players to avoid relegation. We dont. We need a CB, that much is obvious, since we have no depth there. Debuchy gives us cover at RB and a bit more quality.

    Midfield? With Cabaye back in training, Anita, Bigi, Obertan, Marveaux, Perch, Tiote all fit, HBA to come back, I think we have enough cover.

    We need another striker to fill Ba’s position. Our only experienced strikers are Cisse and Shola, so another body is needed.

    Two players this window (three includibg Debuchy). Thats enough to see us mid table. In summer, if Ashley is serious about kicking on and progressing then we could do with additional cover at defence, mid and striker positions. Three players in and no one out in summer. Keep our players fit and we’ll be fine.

  • 29 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    Ive had a look at the points teams have got since Dec 1st
    All have played 7 except Southampton who have played 6 and Reading who have played 8
    Points bottom 9 have picked up since Dec 1st.
    were now points
    Norwich 16 24 8
    Fulham 17 24 7
    Mackems 13 22 9
    Toon 14 20 6
    Villa 13 19 6
    Southy 12 18 6
    Reading 9 13 4
    QPR 5 13 8

    And I thought we had the worst December/New Year of all the bottom teams not as bad as thought – GOT to kick on next three games

    WOULD?not play Cisse in cup game have no replacement if he gets injured.

  • 30 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    on paper
    debuchy Colo saylor santon
    anita tiote
    hba cabaye marveaux

    looks cracking if we get debuchy and have everyone fit. we need more depth though (obviously). come on lets kickstart a winning streak with brighton and push up the table hwtl!

  • 31 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Spitfire @21

    Totally agree.
    Even with the same squad but different manager, we wouldn’t be in this situation. Worst probably 10th.
    We have thrown away Soton, WHU, Stoke, Swansea games, that’s 12 points. If we have won those games we would have 32 points, that is 8th in the table.

  • 32 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Had a bad dream last night finished bottom with 21 pts
    started Championship with following team:

    Simpson Williamson Taylor Tavernier
    Taylor, Sammy, Gosling, Ferguson
    Ranger, Shola

    COS no one would buy them – not good enough, or always injured

    All the Foreign players left: too cold, too wet, No decent French food And Ashley got a Fee

  • 33 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Why are we still on about this – yes we cannot compete with the top four finansially, but neither can 15 other teams.

    …that means everything from 5th to 20th is more or less up for grabs (money is not going to be the straw that broke the camel’s back) Should we not try an focus on that we can effect – form is down and we are clearly a team without any philosophy and current with a manager without any identity (we do to adress that). We need a new CB and we need a new forward since Ba is leaving (preferbly someone who can both play along side Cisse our out wide on the left.

    This is something we all know we can do something bout, so lets get on with it and lets stop moaning about who we cannot compete with (it is not getting us anywhere)

  • 34 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM


    Exactly. The problem should be plain to see for everyone: defense.

    13 goals conceded in 3 games, yet we’ve been scoring more freely than ever before.

    That tells me our offense has improved (which it obviously has, just see everyone’s praise post-ManUtd) and our defense is $HIT to say the least.

    I’m semi-nervous having two attacking fullbacks, like you said. But Debuchy will fair better than Simmo at tracking back. We absolutely need a good CB.

  • 35 beefman13 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    This run we are having is just not acceptible, the failure of our manager to put our number9 in the centre forward position is nothing short of blasphmy, i cant understand it, why is pardew doing this, its weird its strange its bloody madness, shola is not going to get you more than 5 goals a season if he played there all season.

    Krul bas made half a dozen top saves last night, it pulledthe defense out of what could have been another hurricane of trouble, revamping needs to be done but is it to late, i said in an earlier post that when us and everton had their best teams out we were pretty equal, well on second thoughts distan jagielka bains heitinger for starters are better than ours, same old mistakes by ours and old man steptoe ie williamson needs running out of toon quicker than gary glitter at a cresche!

  • 36 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Toon Tom

    Even Glenn Roeder is better tactician than AP.

  • 37 RonVanDam // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    13 goals in 3 games says it. Our defense should be high priority. Get Debuecy and 1 CB saylor will be back this month – dont know how how before he goes back to the physio table In summer – release Willo and Simmo for free and get 2 more CBs.

    Sign Sissko and a striker this window in case Cisse gets injured. Give Campbell some game time in the last 20mins of games we are winning by 2-3 goals to get him ready for next season like Daglish did with Sterling.

  • 38 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:16 AM

    Like ppB says…our team do look cracking 🙂 (last night Everton was in the same predicament as us but they were the better side)

    …Everton has the same amount of injuries to the starting 11 as us (but you could not see that)

  • 39 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    …on paper at least 🙁

  • 40 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:22 AM



    everton didn’t spend much in transfer windows.
    The big difference is they have Moyes, we have fkn AP.

  • 41 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:23 AM


    Everton still had their strongest players: Feillani, Jelavic, Jagielka, Baines, Neville.

    Meanwhile all the players we have that are similar in importance were injured.

  • 42 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:26 AM


    NUFC version is Marveaux, Cisse, Santon, Colo, Tiote

  • 43 RonVanDam // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    I want to get something off my chest. Pardew is a pussy. He doesnt have the balls to say no to his senior players when they are playing like shit (i.e Jonas, Tiote and Simpson) and replace them with youngsters who are playing better then them.

    Pardew has become too predictable, monotonic, robotic self whos full of excuses. If he spent less time thinking of excuses and took blame and accepting that we are not performing well, atleast he can be honest to the fans first and foremost, his players and himself. Im tired of his energy sapping interviews just after watching the team lose

  • 44 spitfire_ // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    What will happend if Cabaye and Saylor play against Norwich who have a four straight lose… and we lose? Will be a lot of fun then… i bet “the injury crysis attack again”. By the way we must be the only team who have a “injury crysis” with only two important players unavailable… Benny and Cabaye. Saylor was out in the last 6 months of last season.

  • 45 Slank // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    Sir Braveheart

    Quite right mate.

    Accepting that Debuecy is already onboard all we need, as you say, is a centre back and a centre forward but more importantly what the team needs is confidence and that’s something you can’t buy.

    We can’t compete with ManU, ManC and Chelsea its true but then nor can the other 17 clubs in the Premiership. Even Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs aren’t in the same financial league. The premiership will be won, yet again, by either ManU, ManC or Chelsea. Money (lots of) makes the difference.

    There is no use Ed and others complaining as the club doesn’t have the money and isn’t going to bankrupt itself to sit at the top table where quite frankly we don’t belong and apart from a brief period under Sir Bobby and Keagan have never belonged.

  • 46 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    89Norcal…I choose not to believe that

    …out best players this season has been Benny, Anita, Santon, Ba and lately Marv. We are only missing two of them. Standout players last season was Cabs, Krul, Cisse and Colo (and Benny for the last part of the season). We are only missing two of them.

    A team in our position needs to be able to handle that (imo anyway)

  • 47 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:31 AM


    I’m not talking position for position..

    We have no Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Saylor, Raylor.

    Plus Everton are in blistering form. I don’t know how we can conclude that Everton were equally crippled as we are.

    Besides when you’re in form, subs and backups perform better. Just look at Willo last year. I think we were tied for most clean sheets.

  • 48 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:32 AM


    last 3 games just the tip of the iceberg.
    I don’t remember Everton throwing games away at home or against lesser teams, even with money they spent on transfers.
    We did have Cabaye and HBA probably Saylor too when we lost games at home earlier this season.
    Even Barca will be in relegation battle if AP was in charge.

  • 49 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    *out = our

  • 50 Sir Braveheart // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:33 AM


    Shola starting was dictated by the players available. Just look at the bench! The only one who could have played the whole game was Bigi, who’s looking more like a better Tiote each week in my opinion, but with Evertons height it made sense to go with Shola. It also made sense to use him up top and have Cisse run off him. Would you rather have Cisse as target man and Shola making runs off him?!

    If we’d had Cabaye or HBA fit Shola wouldnt have played the 90.

  • 51 Sawbuck // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:35 AM


    He’s Octopussy with his 8yr deal an all.

  • 52 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:36 AM

    hmmm.. can you imagine Barca playing hoofball? Barca players are quite small.

  • 53 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:39 AM


    Here’s why I don’t subscribe to the notion that AP is hopeless tactically..

    Look at our performances last season when we were healthy. AP is the one who switched us from being a brutish, hoofball team to a more free flowing, continental style of play.

    When Pardew started using 433 around Jan or Feb last year, we ripped Wigan apart and shut out Liverpool. Everyone lauded our football at the time. Prior to the advent of our 433, Pards oversaw our domination of ManUtd, with brilliant midfield play and a mix of slow build up+Route 1 (1st goal vs ManU).

    Pardews MAJOR fault has been his softness in the Ba-Cisse conflict. He allowed Ba to shake the locker room and selfishly influence Pardew’s tactical decisions. Now that the problem is gone, we will be better for it. Too many times last year I saw Pards playcalling winning us points, and no one complained then.

    Now with a paper thin squad, and hardly any reinforcements (which we all acknowledged) we’re gonna rip into the guy?

  • 54 Slank // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    Santon03 @ 40

    Yes but how long has Moyes been at his club compared to Pardew.

    Managerial longevity at a club tends to increase the chances of success. It certainly increases stability and better coaching and team cohesion.

    People should ask themselves, how many managers has Newcastle been through and how much has been spent on players during the tenure of Moyes and which club has been more successful.

  • 55 dmac // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    Saylor missed most of last season and so far has missed most of this. When are fans going to wise up he is not a first teamer he cannot be trusted as such his injury record is nearly as bad as michael bloody owens.

    Debuchy is an excellent signing but we NEED a cb. Williamson is average at best but once he gets suspended or injured we have to put Perchinio in there and he is no more a cb than bloody HBA.

  • 56 toon smart // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:40 AM

    I think this shows how difficult it was for Moyes when he started at Everton. I think we need to give Pardew time.

    Everton under Moyes

    2011-12 Seventh

    2010-11 Seventh

    2009-10 Eighth

    2008-09 Fifth

    2007-08 Fifth

    2006-07 Sixth

    2005-06 11th

    2004-05 Fourth

    2003-04 17th

    2002-03 Seventh

    2001-02 15th

  • 57 Sir Braveheart // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:41 AM


    Agreed confidence is pretty low right now and that was the key to our success last year. When we had injuries the players who stepped in performed as well as the starters. Perch had a great season for example. This year that confidence has gone and those stepping in to cover injuries dont seem to have the belief they can do the job. Consequently those around them dont have the confidence in them.

    We’ll never compete financially, very few teams can and Id rather we didnt bankrupt ourselves trying. Thats what made beating Man Utd at home last season so special, they’re 379 million in debt but on that day all the money they’ve spent meant nothing.

  • 58 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:41 AM


    DEAR ME!!!

    I’v only been on this blog 1 day, already im domented! Haha. Crackers this place like, but fun all the same! HTL

  • 59 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    I don’t think Pardew is to blame for last night – it is a shared responsibility, but for me the players led everyone down. We played 4-3-3 like against Man Utd and Arsenal, but we looked so static yesterday (it was like watching a 4-4-2 team confined in the shape of a 4-3-3). Tiote is beyond bad these days and for me he is really letting down the team.

    …maybe Pardew should have subbed Tiote for Bigi instead and either taken Shola off or reverting back to 4-4-2 (usually the bast formation for him anyway)

  • 60 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    *bast = best

  • 61 davybtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    Why hav ppl only realised that we can’t compete this has been the case for many years, gotta say I thought Everton were shocking all they do is lump to jelavic n fellaini n we played some great stuff yesterday in the first half
    Sick of our fans going on about long football there is 2 players responsible willo n krul n if u can’t see that your complete muppet

  • 62 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    toon smart

    I think it’s good you posted that. A manager can only do so much with what he’s given, and his fortunes during the season.

    The best he can do with a mid-table side is put the club in a position where they can start to gamble to break into the top. The higher you finish in this league, the more money you make. Which is why I blasted MA for letting deals die over 500k-2m, when now we are in the lower table and will miss out on millions and millions in cash by not strengthening to finish higher.

  • 63 melv1881 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    Stick with the lads! We won’t get relegated. I don’t even blame Ashley as we had enough out there to win last night. No way should we get rid of pardew but I wasn’t happy with him last night. He made several mistakes. 1 shola isn’t good enough and can only last 45 mins. He didn’t press or track back! Any of us could do those things. 2 krul kept kicking it up in the air? Why? We played on ground against arsenal n looked good. 3 stupid subs – oberton was a threat why take him off. 4 pardew didn’t believe in the system, as soon as we let the second in cameras went on him and he said 442 which resulted in half an hour of hoofball rather than playing football with our biggest threat marveaux

  • 64 Slank // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    toon smart @ 56

    Very interesting and impressive stats especially given that Moyes has always had little to spend.

    Do you have an equivalent for us to compare with Moyes?

  • 65 dmac // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    Was it man utd that Tiote was suspended for and we started bigi? I remember thinking on form alone bigi should be starting ahead of him. You cannot hold on to the Tiote is a purple jargon if he is not performing drop his sorry arse.

  • 66 davybtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:51 AM

    The board are to blame for league position it’s that simple we didn’t buy the players needed in the summer
    Granted pardew does hav sum worrying stats like we haven’t come from behind to win under him
    But right now pardew has to show that when everyone is fit he will pick the right players ie no jonas no shola

    Obertan marveux Anita were quality last night

  • 67 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:52 AM

    @jesper tiote is getting carried away sometimes and i understand he’s there to help/protect the defence but at points last night he was so deep it was like we had 5 at the back

  • 68 AmericanMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    We cant compete with big clubs in terms of wages but as we showed last year we can compete in terms of talent. Give Graham Carr some money to work with Mike Ashley.

  • 69 davybtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    We’ve Norwich reading villa Southampton out of our next 6 games we need 10pts from them

  • 70 Indian Magpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    pardew’s quotes

    “Let’s be honest, we have had an awful run, but I thought tonight we gave a really honest account and we can’t ask for more than that from the players we had on the pitch.

    beggars belief

  • 71 Slank // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    Looking at Everton yesterday IMO they only had one outstanding world class player, Baines.

    The difference between them and us is that they are full of confidence having started the season well and carried it on, just like we did last season.

  • 72 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    @Davy last season we’d have wanted 12 lol
    10 points should be doable from them

  • 73 davybtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    I’ve said all along we need s new dm someone like diame, tiote isn’t even on the same level as this lad diame is big strong good in the air good at tackle good at passing good at driving forward

  • 74 dmac // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    I would agree davy i think atleast 10 if not all 12 we need to pull close to that ever important 40 or i can see us sinking.

  • 75 TorqToon // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    Morning gents! Assume we are all in good spirits today! :-/

    Last night was on and off to say the least.

    Obviously the main negative was the loss and the lack of ability to dominate the Everton left side.

    However, tactically I think Pards got it right (besides taking off Gabby who I think brought a decent threat to Everton!)

    Krul – Dominated his area better, claimed crosses and cleared danger better than I’ve seen so far this season. You could say he should / could have done better with Baines goal – however sometimes you have to stab back and say “yep! Cracking finish!” Some keys saves to keep us in the game.

    Defence – colo and Willo isn’t working. Liked seeing them try and play the ball out from the back more, santon was decent but he always is, perch did a job but I much prefer him in midfield where he looks comfortable. Our biggest weakness is at the back and we MUST strengthen. Colo is too comfortable I feel an needs pushing, and with a better CB next to him he will hit form again.

    Midfield – Gabby was very good, running at defenders, always looking positive. Marv – took a while to find his feet but once settled looked extremely good and creative. Anita – goes very much unnoticed but without him we would really struggle. Tiote – for me our worst player. He gave the ball away so many times, stupid fouls which have cost us more times than I care to remember and no composure on the ball anymore.

    Cissé – starting to look more like the player we signed. Took his goal well and always looked like he wanted the ball. Had he not checked his run early in the game he’d have had a brace. Shola – again did a job, linked up well with Cissé, strong as always but constantly looking to shoot from distance which is frustrating.

    – Bigi looked better than Cheik in the time he had. Still young and still learning but a cracking player.

    – Sammi – needs a season on loan in the championship or lower. His work rate at 2-1 down was appalling !! Needs to work for the team or find another team to ‘work’ for.

  • 76 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:57 AM


    Ok, please explain why are we going bact to hoofballs again? or am I the only 1 looking at it as hoofball.

    Slank & ToonSmart
    Yes it took Moyes that long, I understand.
    Everton didn’t have any money to buy players, we did even though not much. With the same players we had last year why are we in current position when we are only missing 3 of our 1st team? I’m not asking for champions league spot here, just 8th or 10th will be fine for me.
    On paper, our fit players are worse than everton? I believe we have better squad than Everton since 2001 except when we got relegated.

  • 77 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    @Davy remember having an argument with Ashton about tiote. Ashton was sayin he’s world class and i was saying he’s very incomplete. just good at breaking up play. he was having none of it.

  • 78 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:00 AM


    We didn’t start playing hoofball vs Everton until late in the game, didn’t you see the 1st half? Same story vs ManUtd and Arsenal, hence we are actually scoring GOALS now!

    I can tell you the main reason we resort to it late. Because it bypasses our disadvantage in the midfield. But with the frantic pace and low confidence in our side these last few games, we are not pulling it off like we did last season.

    There were quite a few times where we scored from the longball. In fact, we scored that way vs Everton this season in the reverse fixture. Granted we were playing awfully at the time.

    I can see evidence of Pardew reverting back to good aesthetic football, because I’m not a hater of his. I’m taking EVERYTHING into account when looking at our form.

    But Pardew is not blameless, if that’s what you want to hear.

  • 79 dmac // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    Apart from Willo and Krul i do not think we played hoofball. May i also point out that ‘hoofball’ as you put it santon got us the early lead?

  • 80 davybtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    If we don’t buy 2 cb we could b in trouble bcoz all of a sudden colo looks crap

  • 81 dmac // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    Was thinking the same thing Davy. Its amazing that this is pretty much the same defence that started last season so strongly and had colo in the team of the year. Minus Santon im not sure our current defence would make the championships team of the year. 13 goals conceded in 3 games?! Disgraceful

  • 82 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    I dont see how people are so positive, i mean its great n all, but slightly delusional to be honest

    1. Worst ever run in the Prem league
    2. Several points worse off than the actual year we were relegated
    3. First team in prem history to score three goals in two consecutive games, and then still loose
    4. Clueless owner and manager
    5. players who are shadows of themselves
    6. players unfit
    7. constant injuries
    8. no fight, no spirit
    9. lack of leadership, on and off the pitch

    Basically a fekking farce

  • 83 gaz 44 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    Davy i think even thou Colo is our capt. he doesn’t lead by example or by voice, honestly wouldn’t be my capt. but he’s in bad form doesn’t become bad centre back over night think a lot has to do with who he’s at the back with

  • 84 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    @Davy Colo seemed last night to be trying to cover all 4 defensive positions sometimes. like he had no confidence in willo perch or santon to get back or in the right place. his communication isn’t great and there’s very little communication back.
    i see willo shouting defensive orders on the fly but they’re often poor decisions

  • 85 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:16 AM


    I respect your opinion, it’s just too tiring for me to re-type the whole thing. you can see my previous posts, because there are so many points why we were so different than last year even with almost the same team and same manager starting from “Newcastle lose yet again…” topic.

    Sorry 🙁

  • 86 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:16 AM

    I think the reason Cisse was played on the right was blind stubbornness mixed with a large dose of stupidity,if Cisse had have played well and the team looked better,Parts would have had to answer why he never played like that from the start.

  • 87 bigiffius // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    I don’t believe that is completely true. Yes money plays a big factor in how clubs perform and what they challenge for, but clubs who aren’t spending millions and millions in the transfer windows should only look at Arsenal, who are consistently fighting for the title\Champions League spots. It’s up to the manager to get the best out of the players. We proved it last season that we should be near the top of the league, rather than where we are. Regardless of injuries or squad size, the fact is the current players just simply are not performing to the best of their ability…I do wonder when this will be sorted out?

  • 88 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Just hold judging Pards until we have our first team starting. And a few extra faces as back up. Things will return to normal.

    This season has been abysmal so far but the bloke has had a shit load to deal with. There isnt a manager out there who could of did more or less any better with the current squad and the timing these injuries have fell.

    I dont think we have had a run of games yet where we have had the choice of players that we would like to play in the positions we would like. Seriously unlucky. Every manager makes mistakes, pards is no different. The tide will turn soon, the team and management has my full support. HTL

  • 89 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    Wes Jameson

    I can be optimistic because even after all those points you state there are still 4 teams below us.

  • 90 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    Toon Prodigy

    I hope you are right, because there is still 7.5years more of it.

  • 91 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    Hey lads, not posted for a while but this is my big concern this season:

    We are not going to finish anywhere near top 7 this season, will be happy, like Ed said, if we survive this season. I think there are at least 3-4 teams worse than us: QPR, Reading, Sunderland, Aston Villa – this could mean we are OK.

    Other teams you would expect to be down there look stronger than us I think: Norwich, Wigan, West Brom (unbelievable this season!)…

    Anyway, here’s my concern: We all can see why Ba left / is leaving. It is hard for us to strenghen in Summer – if we get decent offers for Cabaye / Ben Arfa / Cisse / Tiote – who would blame them if they left? BUT – say 2-3 leave – for us to strengthen we would have to sign twice as many as we lose, which ain’t gunna happen – just can’t see us growing when we constantly lose our best players, which will most likely happen.

    Sorry state of affairs and years of mid-table nothingness for next few seasons – that is provided we stay up this season, which we will I hope!

  • 92 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:23 AM


    At least we can all be miserable together. Maybe it’s this gun law debacle in the states that’s brought out the pedantic side of me. So many problems in the club right now but I’m looking forward to the easier fixture list. 🙂

  • 93 beefman13 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    sir braveheart, for me the toon number9 plays centre forward and while it is true maybe shola had to play last night it was the same old shola for the most part.

    All defenders this day and age are big lads, and AP kept saying adam campbell was already at sholas stage 3 month ago yet dosnt even put him in the squad and plays bloody ranger, sometimes you dont always have to have the big hulking centre forward against the big hulking centre back, a smaller very nippy quick thimking centre forward like adam campbell could really have came of age last night but i fear pardew did not have the bottle in case it did not come off, yet his othr decisions dont come off but he sticks with that, he needs to man up.

    The last time we were relegated they all said you have to stick with experience and it went pair shaped, when a younger andy carroll should have been given a chance, dont let history repeat itself again, we know shola we know what he can do??? and for me he is a 20 min impact player even now, quite frankly im a bit fed up if its the case he has to start.

  • 94 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    On plus side we’ve got some winnable games coming up….the Norwich and Reading games are must wins…if we get nothing from them….tragic!

  • 95 kimbo // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    It is very sobering that Xisco was earning more money than Demba Ba.
    It is sobering that we will get relegated.
    It is sobering that Pardew is clueless.
    It is sobering that Ashley will not spend any money on players.
    It is sobering Wonga will be sponsors in the Championship.
    Well thak you NUFC was spoiling my Xmas and New Year.
    Brighton will no doubt have a lucky win on Saturday.
    Well it is first day back at work!!!!!!!!!

  • 96 beefman13 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    Nobody forsore last seasons 5th finish did they, and nobody could have forcast this seasons shocker so far, of course another couple should have came in but that was thought as a way to push for the top 4,its been a nightmare in every way the form of players the injuries the luck, the stuborness of our manager who i am really starting to get seriously wound up about.

    We should be nowhere near this situation even with injuries etc they say we were lucky at times last season well every bit of that has been claimed back this season already.

  • 97 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    @ Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:22 AM

    But for how long mate? Did you not see QPR beat Chelski at Chelski last night? think a bit man…

  • 98 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    Anyone else think Mike Williamson looks like George McFly (Marty’s Dad) in Back to the Future?

  • 99 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:32 AM


    Spurs have built there squad with the sales of Carrick, berbatov, keane and modric. (Not to mention sales of others like Defoe, crouch, etc). They were their top players when they left.

    Demba Ba was annoying as we get next to nothing from that sale.

    Other players will get us plenty of money if they leave which will hopefully (not likely) be invested quickly back into the squad.

  • 100 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:34 AM


    Another 7.5 years of ups and downs. What a team man eh! I wouldn’t support no other! Pure adrenaline!!!

    You know where gona steam this league in about 4-6 weeks time. This is the Toon where talking about ; ) This blog will be buzzing omce these signings come in and we get our players back and a bit of rythmn going.

    I can just imagine MOTD at the end of the season. “What a second half of the season by the Toon”

  • 101 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    transfer sage…. yes, difference is though Spurs used the money to strengthen big time…i honestly can never see a transfer window where Mike Ashley buys 6-7 players, can you?

  • 102 chris_g // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    dmac // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:01 AM says:

    Apart from Willo and Krul i do not think we played hoofball

    Willo gets a lot of unfair criticism on here for playing hoofball. These are the stats from yesterday’s game – we played a total of 60 long balls during the game, and Willo only kicked ONE of them!

    Krul 24
    Colo 9
    Tiote 9
    Bigi 5
    Perch 4
    Cisse 4
    Santon 2
    Shola 2
    Willo 1
    Anita 0
    Marveaux 0
    Obertan 0
    Sammy A 0
    Ranger 0

    Total 60


  • 103 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM


    I do think a bit.

    It’s not like these teams below us look like getting above us. They are useless and have no where near the quality of cabaye and Ben arfa to return to their teams.

    I’m perfectly confident we will not even be in a relegation fight by April and have a genuine chance at top 10.

    Call me deluded or anything you like but that’s how I see it.

  • 104 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    transfer sage – and i mean we need 6-7 players and that without anyone going out the door- our squad is the weakest its been in years, if big players get injured, we have no answer, as has been wonderfully demonstrated in the last 12 games or so

  • 105 mumbaNi // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    I understand why cisse started on the right – when you set up a tactic for a match and a few hours before someone is unavailable you put another ‘like’ player in – trying not to upset the apple cart.
    But I am nervous and I am nervous about what the manager is actually saying to the players to motivate them – I am nervous about what exactly the atmosphere in the dressing room is like.
    My main concerns –
    1. We were excellent in the first half, some wobbles defensively but we looked like we wanted to win. We came out after half time and had no desire, put ourselves under pressure and for all our passing and possession did nothing. I think we attempted more shots in the last 10mins that most of the match.
    2. Taking off gabby for bigi – obertan has been a breath of fresh air in the last 3 games – what exactly was the thinking at 2-1 down? I’m baffled – at least put Sammy on and tell him to run at them (I agree he needs a loan out to another club).
    3. The post match excuses – I really would rather not hear most of them anymore – ‘really honest account and we can’t ask for more than that from the players we had on the pitch’ – what does that even mean??? Are we going to have another half team available to swap these players with?? The majority of these players will be in our 1st team… it doesnt make sense!!!
    4. and finally – our captain – Now this might sound harsh, but has any team changed captain in the middle of the season? I don’t see what colo is doing on the pitch to inspire the players to do better. I’ve heard talk that he is good in the dressing room but even now I am wondering what goes on in there – and that’s not even mentioning the spat he had with the manager.

    New players will help – we do need a little more quality. But I think this runs a little deeper and if we avoid scrapping for our lives in the final few games I really think the club needs a very thorough review of expectations and what has gone wrong to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

  • 106 KrulG4ME // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    Going to the game last night full of optimisim thinking yeah we have been beaten in our last two games but we played manure and arsenal away from home and scored 3 goals against both teams surely we will go and attack Everton in the same manner at home.

    Get to game – Team news Shola starts wtf and to make things worse Cisse is out on the right again. I wish I had left then because things got worse as we all know.

    Read a post earlier suggesting starting Elliot ahead of Krul have to say its got to be worth a go because he has been at fault for a number of goals against this season and his distribution is among the worst I have seen. Might not be the best example to suggest he does better because it was a rocket but traveling 69 miles an hour or not baines free kick was from 35 yards out and its not as if it went in the top corner it was central. I feel he should of done better poor positioning and wrong footed = had no chance. Although I have to say distribution was fine for the goal lol.

    Williamson is a complete tool and gives away far to many free kick the same goes for Tiote although I feel he can get back to his best when cabs come back.

    We are desperate for some new players to boost the confidence of everyone associated with the club, fat Mikes bank manager aside.

    A pruductive transfer window PLEASE.

    1 last thing scrutiny of officials PLEASE, is it just me or do all seem to be anti-toon ( may well be my black and white tinted specs ).

  • 107 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    I agree transfer sage

  • 108 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM


    Yeh like I said at the end of the post we new to sign players quickly. It’s no good having llambias saying we spent the Carroll money on x, y and z if they come in over the space of two years as we are not strengthening quickly enough.

  • 109 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    I dont give a damn what anybody says…

    I am hoping and praying for us to get bought over by a giant….end of story…

    An Arab zillionaire or whatever, I am sick and tired of bleeding transfer days…

  • 110 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    For me colo is in a position where we’ve made him undroppable you cant drop your captain, but he needs some pressure for competition and his leadership qualities have been seriously lacking this season
    No doubt he’s a great cb but complacency seems to be creeping in this season but that could be said for half the squad!
    Stevie T and willo are the same player this season so we desperatly need a first team CB and another to keep pressure on our current 3 senior CB’s
    Also glad tiote is off to ACON tbh he’s been a liability this season and by far the worst player on the pitch for the last 5 games his head needs screwing back on some of the free kicks he gives away knowing how weak we are on set pieces is nothing short of plain stupidity
    But he’s another player who the club have built up to indespendable to the team so i fully expect him to stroll into the starting line uo when back

  • 111 Ian Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    toon smart – It’s not being delusional to believe that the introduction of 5-6 players not participating in the Everton game for the remainder of the season will not drastically improve our fortunes. Cabaye, HBA, Saylor, Debuchy+ CB and a replacement for Ba. Defensive weaknesses There are concerns of our loss of Premier League status but MA recognises the need to protect his investment.
    We learnt nothing new in the Everton game we have a weak defence. That is being addressed. The Beatties’s and Rotonda approach has us
    relegated already. For those of stronger resolve be patient and Keep the
    Faith. You will always find the flaky, flip flop fan bailing out but the level of support at SJP suggests that the roller coaster has quite a few
    Upward turns to go. Let the true come rain or shine fan get behind the side. I personally am looking forward to seeing Debuchy, Anita, Cabaye, Marveaux , Cisse plus at least 2 new additions in the same side.

  • 112 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    On a side note

    Just packing me crimbo presents away and i have a smart gift. A black toon tracksuit. Only problem is there is sports direct badges on the top and bottoms. Pretty gutted about this. Why on earth are these on the tracksuits. This MA does my loaf in

  • 113 Santon03 // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    Toon Prodigy & 89Norcal

    Maybe the magic can happen again like when Glenn Roeder 1st time in charge, we were in relegation zone then finished the season at 7th. 🙂

  • 114 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:45 AM


    I don’t think we need 6-7.

    It spends on the ambition. If we expect to be challenging for champs league next year then 6 players would be needed.

    If we are after top 10, maybe europa could get by with 3-4 players.

    I don’t think our owner is willing to provide the additional finance needed to push for top 4 like spurs have where they take a bit of a gamble, not a huge one which could ruin the club but enough to know that if champs league doesn’t come you’ll have to hand over some of your own cash.

    I don’t blame him for that, I still there we must have more available to spend than what we do.

  • 115 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:47 AM

    Morning all
    I was too emotional after getting back from the game last night to make a rational comment ,not a problem I hear you cry
    But I feel no better this morning .i can honesty say the second half last night was the worst performance I have seen in many a year.
    Let’s face it we had enough chances to win but Shola was awful I am sorry but I love him as a personality but he was awful ,Cisse was ineffective out wide and well Tiotie I can’t find words .
    However the manager is cluless he stood on the touch line with his hands in his pockets all he needed was a brolley and he would have looked the real part.
    He had no answer and made the most ridiculous changes,I honestly can’t see that he is able to think logically and is caught in the headlights.
    I fear our stubborn owner will not do the necessary and take him out of his misery,in some ways who would we get .like it or not we are the most toxic club in the premier league at present and that I fear spells disaster.

  • 116 Billythefish // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    SAF summed it up, we are predictable and I lay the blame at Pardews and the other 2 clowns running the club, can’t be good for confidence when we keep losing, then our manager saying we gave a good account of ourselves with the players a available.

    Play the players in the right position try something different. I likened Pardew to Phil brown and stick by this clueless.

  • 117 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    No doubt in my mind we will finish in the top ten. Im hoping for 8th. Should of been alot better though if this transfer business was done in the summer instead of now. Waiting on remy now. I have no idea for a centre back though. Dont want douglas

  • 118 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:52 AM


    I usually like to defend pards a bit and make a few excuses for him here and there. And as I have said all along I will judge his performance at the end of the season as things can change quickly in football.

    But last night I did find his subs a bit weird. Even if obertan was tired we should have kept him on as be produced his best moment seconds before being subbed.

    I like bigi but he isn’t a player for chasing a game.

    Sammy, for all he has a poor final ball, would have at least ran at players and caused more of a problem if brought on earlier.

    Same for Nile ranger, I don’t like him, don’t even rate him, but he should have been on earlier.

    Was Adams Campbell injured? If not he should have been on the bench as he is ten times the player of ranger. He even constantly out performs him in training and reserve games.

  • 119 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Dear me Yorky, that brought tears to my eyes haha

  • 120 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    @ Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    Fair enough mate, and you are 100% allowed to have your opinion, i do love your optimism, guess we will see who will eat humble pie

    More than willing to do so, if we stay up lad

  • 121 south coast toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    well they tried, we,ve played man city man utd arsenal,and now everton, we are thread bare,have a bench that included ranger, sammy and bigi all full of experience players on the field who have hardly featured this year,we lost to a very very good everton side that have played together all seasons with the same manager,they play as a team and know each other,god how many times did are players ie marv,sammy,anita , oberton,run past players with the ball with ease but couldnt find anyone running into space, are team are full of induvidles who r good but havent got it together as a team,toite is terrible at the moment, the defensise is shot, we need to sort defence, we will get better just get behind the team and think of the positives, god look at qpr they,ve spent a fortune and look at them they only 1 last night because benitez gave them the game. it happens to chelsea when they have there best players out and others playing who have not got into the squad regularly.we,ll be fine we have some games coming up to win if we loose to these teams below us i will change my mind, we cant have cisse chashing defenders back for much longer, r.taylor looks a good player now to have in squad, as giuthrie would of

  • 122 GeordieRealist // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    It isn’t that we can’t compete with big clubs in this case. It’s that we can’t compete with greed. And how a loyalty bonus can be called a loyalty bonus when it is rewarding a player who leaves is beyond a joke.

  • 123 Cardboy // Jan 3, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Glad Ba gone, no loyalty. Him and Cisse didn’t seem to be on similr wavelength anyway. He’d have gone ages ago if anyone would’ve come in for him. Got paid well for the job he did for us. Shola playing whole game was painful to watch at times and Ranger coming on showed how short we’ve become up front. If people moved to meet the ball instead of waiting for it to reach them we wouldn’t lose possession so much especially in last third. Midfield are stuck for a ball to play forward too many times. Still we won’t go down, its time to support the lads more than ever at the games. The first twenty minutes last night was what we need more of at SJP make it an intimidating place to play. HTWL

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