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Pardew Wants Power And Pace – But Money Tight

5:00 pm, Thursday, January 3rd, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 225 Comments

Alan Pardew has said today that money is tight at Newcastle,  but it’s always been tight under Mike Ashley, but that news will still not please Newcastle fans, who have seen our team be only a shadow of the side we were last season.

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Alan Pardew – in important meeting this afternoon

This is what Alan Pardew said today, as the Newcastle Board review transfer targets in an important meeting with the Newcastle manager:

“I would like, if possible, to have a player with real power and pace. Sometimes, we lack a little bit of pace.”

“Gabriel Obertan brings that to the team, but when Gabby is not in the team, that’s something I would like to see in the player that comes in because that will help Papiss, and also somebody who is going to threaten at set-plays because it has been a weakness for us.

“But it’s easy to say what I would really like – it’s what I can get in this window and the options are not numerous. There are only a few players, really, who are available.”

“The money is tight here in terms of how we spend it. We try to get the best possible deal for the club.”  “But we do have to take into consideration where we are. We are under no illusions that we are now in a battle to secure our Premier League status for next year, and we make no bones about that.”

“The trick really is to get our best players on the pitch, we know that, but in the short term, one or two reinforcements would go a long way to helping.”

Pardew is in a meeting with Managing Director Derek Llambias and Secretary Lee Charnley this afternoon to discuss transfer targets, and to put in place the strategy to bring at least three good players into the club this month.

Lille full-back Mathieu Debuchy underwent his medical on Tyneside today, and Sky Sports has reported he passed it – but no official word yet from the club.

And Alan Pardew has again stressed that money is limited in the Newcastle coffers, but if we keep our powder dry in January,  we could be playing second division football next season – that’s how serious this situation is.

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225 responses so far ↓

  • 1 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Moneys tight.
    Now there’s a shock.

  • 2 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    You almost feel sorry for Debuchy.

    Honestly Pards, say something motivating for a change, you depressing b*st*rd!

  • 3 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    (As Craig David)

    Can I get a repost:

    These suggestions of “Cisse on the wing should have got Pardew sacked on the spot” are just incredible. I think we will undoubtedly see Cisse play down the middle between now and the end of the season so just chill out.

    I had said to myself that if we got one point out of Man U (a) Arsenal (a) and Everton (h) I’d be happy enough, well we got none but it isn’t the end of the world. I’ve said long ago that I think this season is a write off in terms of the PL (as long as we stay up) and have a go at either the FA Cup or the EL would be the only other options this season. It may make signing quality players harder in the summer, thus justifying the calls made to sign the quality last summer (yes Munster I am belatedly agreeing with you, I’m not a happy clapper though) but sacking the manager will only serve to put the nail in the coffin of relegation, you either do it early in the season or not at all, so not at all it is (not that I agree with sacking Pardew in the slightest)

  • 4 NUFC STEVE // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    Surely we need a WINGER IF HE WANTS PACE???
    Ben arfa is excellent on one side but other side is average at best
    OBERTAN – all right footed, pace but no final ball
    Gutierrez- no pace, all right foot, can’t get round his man, no final ball
    Marveaux- been excellent as “10” role not quick enough for the wing
    Fergie- not a proper winger.

  • 5 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    power…pace….Obafemi Martins all the way :)

  • 6 mattyNUFC // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Guess we know how that meeting turned out…

    these guys have no idea what ‘money’s tight’ means

  • 7 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    @Belfast
    Well, it’s about spending now or start the rebuild all over again.
    MA is not stupid enough to want that imo…

  • 8 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    what you lads think of Danny Graham?

  • 9 mattyNUFC // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    worshearer

    agreed

    how can we stay positive if these jokers never are????

    money’s tight my a$$. most of these guys make in two weeks what i do in a year

  • 10 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    I’ll tell you whose salary we should double to try and get him through the door, David Moyes!

  • 11 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    worshearer….good call but i reckon he’s Man Utd bound all the way…n he’d never come here, would be a step down anyway, would it not?

  • 12 mattyNUFC // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    wor

    my first choice hands down would be Roberto Martinez. not only for his guile as a manager but his absolute class as a man

    all irrelevant talk i suppose

  • 13 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Another repost from last thread:

    Rotonda

    It’s a write off in the sense that pre-season predictions of a finish of anywhere from 6th-8th is looking increasingly unattainable, that is not to say that a drastic run of good form could see that situation improve, but we are nearly too far behind to claw that back (11 points behind 8th placed Liverpool) so that is what I meant.

    Anita is still finding his feet but is looking increasingly like a proper player and Marveaux plays either on the wing or in the “10? slot, so not exactly a midfield player. Cabaye is an essential cog to the NUFC midfield, which was my point, I was commenting on your belief that it was “only” Cabaye and Saylor who are injured, which, given the criticisms of Williamson and the ineffectual midfield we have been showing this season seems to me to be two pretty big injuries to our side.

  • 14 nick_9 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Mattynufc exactly. Perch, bigirimana, Anita and marveaux all played at old Trafford so should be good enough to play at home to Everton. Tiote came back strengthening the midfield but perch had to drop in Defense. Surely bigirimana could have played in midfield with Tiote and Anita, cisse central upfront and Marv and obertan supporting him. Simply put swap shola for bigi and move cisse up top.

    The ref was a disgrace last night and I say that without having watched any highlights. We should of had a pen? And the free kick was weak for their goal by the look of it? Banes’s goal was superb but the second we conceded was avoidable, again ball watching t the back and not tracking players. How hard is it to reach a player to look around him during the game?

  • 15 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    I think Mourinho is Ferguson’s heir apparent. Moyes is probably their 2nd choice though.

  • 16 mattyNUFC // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    roblee

    after recent comments from fergie, no doubt mourinho will be his successor

  • 17 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    Matty –

    Martinez would be a brilliant choice, for sure!

  • 18 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    @world shearer in his 3rd or 4th season at everton they were almost relegated. and went basically top half bottom half top half bottom half etc. so far pards is no different t us.
    oh and if pards came out and said “we have 15m to spend this window” then offered 10m for a player the selling club would squeeze us for more

  • 19 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    wor not world

  • 20 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    I heard Man U were after Pardew, as were the FA for the England job! Haha, that was soooo cringe….

  • 21 mattyNUFC // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    nick 9

    regarding the ref, do you not think it was the law of averages? I’ve never seen a point more undeserved for us than when we played them earlier this year

    decisions ebb and flow. the ref did not cost us a point. everton were far superior to us. this whole talk about us controlling the first half is a load of crap from AP. possession was 60/40 in their favor

  • 22 Novocastrian66 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Matty I understand your fustrations with Pardew but where do you think our squad is good enough,beside the midfield where I will concede we have sufficient cover?
    The defence is a “shambles” and we have one decent striker.

  • 23 beefman13 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Obertan was quite good last night then AP takes him off when we are trying to get a goal back to get in to the team, he is a strange strange man our manager, oh obertan wants fined for turning his back on the ball for bains goal, i would make him stand in front of 50 free kicks on the training ground and if he turns his back once fine him a weeks wages, i thought williamson was bad for doing that, the ball would have definatly hit obertan if he did not turn.

    Our senior players have got us in this frigan mess, dont see how anyone can blame the younger players, people say they arnt good enough, so willy and simmo and perch and jonas are superstars are they, they are a parcel, perch one good tackle on the half way line one good header the rest totally negative absoloute pony.

  • 24 mattyNUFC // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    anyway, am off to sunny Miami. same old same old from the board and AP. excuses before fan judgement as always. this is cyclical in the worst of ways

    but, as always (how many windows have i and innumerable others uttered this:) I hope I’m proven wrong

    yeah, right

  • 25 nick_9 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Ruddy any chance of a respectable league finish is diminishing with each passing game. What do you see as a successful league finish now? Many fans I know are worried and see safety as a good finish now which is upsetting given our finish last season.

    For me we could still very well amass 25 – 30 points from our remaining games and finish around tenth. Tenth would be a good finish right now in my opinion. I’m in denial about relegation but its never a certainty we won’t be relegated. Again it’s upsetting given we all had hopes we can be in amongst the good teams from 8th-5th, they wasn’t ahead of us but are now sadly. I hope we sign a good replacement for Ba and the centre back we need. Be nice if we could get a decent winger in on loan and ten try and push on giving us a platform for next season. Our league finish might not appeal to many potential signings but we are still in European football

  • 26 ToonDownSouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    Last night we switched to 442 with 4 central midfielders.

    It’s thinks like that, that make me think he’s lost the plot.

  • 27 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Whilst I like Moyes as a manager, if we’re going to point at history as an indicator of what a manager can bring to the table:

    With Everton

    2001-02: 15th
    2002-03: 7th
    2003-04: 17th
    2004-05: 4th (Qualification for UEFA Champions League)
    2005-06: 11th
    2006-07: 6th (Qualification for UEFA Cup)
    2007-08: 5th (Qualification for UEFA Cup)
    2008-09: 5th (Qualification for UEFA Europa League)
    2009-10: 8th
    2010-11: 7th
    2011-12: 7th

    You do have to ask yourselves whether you’d all have been willing to give him time whilst staring at relegation in his 3rd year at the club, despite a bloody good season the year before.

    Obviously no certainties that Pardew will keep us up or that next year he’ll do better, but you can’t just say we’ve had a bad half a season and Pardew needs to be removed.

    There are many many factors to consider, some of them will be down to Pardew, but not all.

    A month ago things were really bad. We are playing better now, although we’ve not got any points off Man U, Arsenal or Everton, but to be honest, that can happen. We should have got points before those games, no question, but that does happen also.

    At this point in time, do we not need to look at what is achievable? How anyone can use the last 3 fixtures as a nail in Pardews coffin is beyond me.

  • 28 JARRAMAG // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    MA-Deka/Pardue do you think i should spend £20 mill to keep us up because if we go down i will lose £60 mill in TV revenue next year and Dembas gone.

    Deka-We have enough purples to see us through until the summer Mikey dont worry Debuchy is sorted,what do you think Alan?

    Alan-Well i think Deka is spot on-we have Shola to replace Demba,Debuchy can cover full back and the wing(2 signings in 1)Taylor and Yohan will be back shortly so it will be like 2 new signings which make 4 new signings if i am being honest Mikey

    MIKEY- right Alan tell them thick Geordies we are skint-they always swallow that line

    All the above might be the actual words from the 3 wise mens meeting

    God help us

  • 29 toonLYF // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    See we’re on Itv1 on Saturday afternoon, isn’t that exciting ey?

  • 30 mattyNUFC // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Novo

    we’ll pick this up another time :) and, well, NOW we have one decent striker, ha

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Roblee

    The only way Chelsea to Ba will fall through is over something other than his knee shows up on the medical

    They all know his knee condition so that won’t be a problem, wouldn’t have started negotiations if it was

  • 32 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    ibizatoon – good post – keep the faith! if we win a few games everyone will be saying we’re the best thing since sliced bread again!

  • 33 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    At this point, I’d have Joe Kinnear back……maybe not.

  • 34 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Ibiza

    Looking at league positions with no context is difficult I think.

    Who did Everton but and sell those years. Did they suffer huge injuries. Etc etc

    I think it’s the same with us. We haven’t improved our squad this summer. We have had injuries.

    That’s not an excuse for pardew and the players but it does explain some of the results and why we have struggled this season.

  • 35 Novocastrian66 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Bit of a cop out there Matty. I did say one decent striker.

  • 36 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Ba passed his medical apparently.

  • 37 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Pace and power, look no further that Seydou Doumbia. Ive posted this team before but it would be amazing if we could get these players

    ———————–Krul———————

    –Debuchy—-Collocini——Sakho—-Santon–

    ———–Tiote—————–Anita———–

    ———————Cabaye——————–

    ——HBA———————–Doumbia——

    ———————-Cisse———————-

    Go on Ashley dust off that cheque book once in a while :)

  • 38 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:30 PM

    Nick 9

    I agree, it is looking unlikely that we’ll finish anywhere near the part of the table that we were all hoping for at the start of the season and I would be inclined to agree with you that a 10th place finish would be an excellent finish given how poorly the PL has gone for us this season. Although in recent years Everton have started seasons very slowly and finished with a flourish to climb up to around 8th, which shows that it can be done.

    In order to achieve that though I think we need 2 more signings at the very least; a CB and a versatile forward ie someone comfortable playing both on the wing and down the middle, which everyone seems to agree on. We need a CB because I am beginning to doubt Colo’s ability to lead the line in the way he was once able to. Last season he was a rock wall that kept the entire back 4 in check, this season it has looked more imbalanced and his own performances have been poor by his usually high standards. Willo and Saylor will never be good enough to lead the NUFC back-line and therefore at least one senior CB is needed.

    As for the forward, well we all know that we need to replace Ba and I think we definitely will do just that, but depending on the type of player we sign will show us exactly the type of football Pards is going to play long term. If he signs a pacey winger/CF then we’re going to see Cisse down the middle more on his own more often than not, but if we sign a target man (a la Carroll) then we will probably see the return of 4-4-2. An awful lot to think about as a NUFC fan isn’t it?

    January madness for you! haha

  • 39 Robby Bobson // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Its quite clear who pards wants tgen…power, pace and good in the air he might as well have just said Remy.

  • 40 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Anyone remember Kinnear’s 1st press conference?

    Kinnear – Which one is Simon Bird?

    Simon Bird – me.

    Kinnear – You’re a c*nt!

    Simon Bird – Thank you.

  • 41 hadthetshirt // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Yet more bollocks from the manager “we need to get our best players on the pitch” Yes we do trouble is he doesn’t know our best team or how to play them even when all fit. Marveaux for me has been excellent since getting into the team.Yet he wouldn’t be in if Jonas was fit.Cisse again played wide right (still scored) and he said we trained for this.There Premier league footballers for god’s sake man,and not schoolboys.If that was the case why did you go 4-4-2-when we were chasing the game,did you train for that doh.Cisse got a booking and nealry a red for fouls by playing out of position.My patience is wearing thin with pardew and all these bloody excuses,he was making them before the game had kicked off.Yes we have injuries and yes the squad is small,but your the bloody manager and should be kicking ashley’s door down for money to improve us.Not making bloody excuses and trying to pass the buck all the time.Stand up and be counted pardew.
    Remy,Gameiro,Guidetti,or Gomis would be a start and a centre half.

  • 42 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    roblee….Truth is, I think Moyes could possibly do a better job than pardew. He has had time to learn the league and how to balance different commitments (CL, EL and domestic cups), losing his top players and all on a tight budget.

    The only major thing I can see that separate Pardew and Moyes is time. It may not turn out that way, i accept that, but he has never been given it at any club. The board made a huge indication that they want to give him a chance and we’ve hit a real sh*tty patch, for many reasons. It’s time for them all to pull together and turn this around. If they can’t, then Pardew will likely be the first one shown the door, as it is in football. For me, now is not the time to be calling for his head, that may prove costly, but it may also be the turning point.

  • 43 Vest // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    Where would the prices for our targets go, if Pards said “we have loads of money to buy for in this transfer window”? They would rocket.

    Now don’t be stupid, there will be money, you just can’t shout about it.

  • 44 Vest // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Where would the prices for our targets go, if Pards said “we have loads of money to buy for in this transfer window”? They would rocket.

    Now don’t be dumb, there will be money, you just can’t shout about it.

  • 45 Vest // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Where would the prices for our targets go, if Pards said “we have loads of money to buy for in this transfer window”? They would rocket.

    Now don’t be stup1d, there will be money, you just can’t shout about it.

  • 46 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Ibiza

    I, as always, am inclined to agree with you on your position regarding Pardew. He has never been afforded the opportunity to sculpt any team in his own mould, which usually takes 3/4 years to do properly and it seems he is falling foul of the same calls for his head that he has received at recent clubs.

    However, if he manages to pull us out of this slump, something he has never been given the time to do at other clubs, then perhaps that will be the boost that he needs to really take this job by the scruff of the neck and have the same power in our club that the more stable managers do at theirs, Moyes, Fergy, Wenger etc and while I am not stating that he is of the same calibre of manager I would hazard a guess that knowing that you will be listened to by your owner and that your job is safe can really help a manager plan long term in terms of the style of play and the direction he wants to take the club in.

  • 47 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    Ibizatoon –

    sh*tty patch, you say!

    We’ve hit the mother of all shitty patches!

    No other manager of our club has managed to balls it up as much as Pards in our Prem history!

    We have never lost 9 in 11 games and we have never had so few points at this stage of the season.

  • 48 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    TS…..Completely agree. Pretty much the same point I’ve raised when people talk about Pardews “history” as a manager and how it proves he’s not good enough. League position obviously is important, but does it really define how good a manager is? That could also go some way to say that just because he got 5th doesn’t mean he’s great and I’d agree, he hasn’t proved he’s great yet. He’s proved he is capable (by finishing 5th when most had us down for relegation) and that he gets things wrong (Insert whichever criticism you like) to date. I think he has shown he’s trying to change the team, but this will take time.

  • 49 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    In fact, our relegation season is starting to look quite rosey!

  • 50 John Tudor // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    as i said wont walk wont be sacked no more new players the man at the top is a fool

  • 51 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    Wor Shearer

    Is your solution to that problem to sack the manager? How many managers have we had in the last 14 years? And how has sacking these managers impacted on our league position?

  • 52 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    According to Cabaye, his mate has just signed his contract! Some good news for once!!

  • 53 Wandering Geordie // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    The shudof crew are in their element.As Ibiza say’s it’s too early for AP’s coffin.Injuries are still the main factor.Yes he has nmade mistakes and even if we do manage to get new players in they need time to bed in…. So all you shudof’s have a bit of patience and it time.I have seen far worse back in the seventies and eighties.

  • 54 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    @Ibiza

    Well done, this is just the sort of post that the Legion of Doom will ignore so i will repost it

    2001-02: 15th
    2002-03: 7th
    2003-04: 17th
    2004-05: 4th (Qualification for UEFA Champions League)
    2005-06: 11th
    2006-07: 6th (Qualification for UEFA Cup)
    2007-08: 5th (Qualification for UEFA Cup)
    2008-09: 5th (Qualification for UEFA Europa League)
    2009-10: 8th
    2010-11: 7th
    2011-12: 7th

  • 55 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    @vest one of my points.

  • 56 nick_9 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Matty we certainly did deserve a win last night and I’m not sure if we did enough to deserve a draw. Out recent bad spell started with the home defeat to west brom, I’m going to sound liked catchy here but take a look at the Matchday eleven for those games… Food for thought.

    Nufc 0 west ham 1

    11: krul, santon, Willo, saylor, Simmo, ferguson, cabaye, Ben Arfa, guti, Ba, cisse

    Bench: Elliot, Anita, bigi, Marv, ober, amalf, shola

    Nufc 0 Swansea 2

    11: krul, santon, willo, tayls, Simmo, ferguson, Anita, Ben Arfa, tiote, Sammy, Ba

    Bench: Elliot, bigi, Marv, shola, Tav, abeid, amalf

    Southampton 2 Newcastle 0
    11: krul, santon, Willo, tayls, Simmo, fergy, Anita, tiote, guti, Ba, cisse

    Bench: harper, perch, Tav, bigi, marv, Sammy, ranger

    Stoke 2 Newcastle 1

    11: krul, santon, collo, Willo. Simmo, perch, Anita, tiote, guti, Ba, cisse

    Bench: Elliot, Tav, fergy, bigi, Marv, Sammy, ranger.

    If you’ve looked at that tell me how we got 0 points from those games with the players we had out? Not as bad as many fans would haw you believe.

    As of 2013 Simmo is out, Ba is off and tiote is now away. We’ve got January to get some bodies in and change this dire season around.

  • 57 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Vest

    Wenger always talks about how much money he has to spend, and he’s not doing too badly.

    Prices don’t suddenly change because a manager says we’ve got money or not. The other clubs know exactly what the spending power of each club is regardless of what tripe managers spout.

  • 58 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Ibiza

    Also the comments about x, y and z should be in the team instead of a, b and c is annoying.

    I would have changes personally but how many other clubs play some players who are under performing hoping they will get in form. Loads.

    Also a lot of teams don’t give people a chance until injury comes along. In sure marvoux will remain in the team as he is looking one of our best players.

    It silly to slate pardew saying marvoux will be dropped for Jonas before it even happens.

  • 59 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    Forgot about Doumbia. We should be looking to sign two of the following strikers:

    Remy
    Doumbia
    Zarate
    Sulejmani

    Another player with power and pace Sissoko.

    Aldereweild can score from 40 yards and from corners. Ajax have said that he is available.

    Overall, I’d take Remy, Sulejmani, Sissoko and Alderewield.

    Sell Simpson etc.

  • 60 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    Wow, apparently Alderweild can score from 40 yards, begins to make Zlatan’s overhead volley against England look poor 😛

  • 61 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:48 PM

    Ruddy –

    This particular manager, yes. I don’t trust him to get anywhere near the position we got to last season. Honestly, I think he fluked it!

    Maybe the players weren’t listening to him.

  • 62 Tinman // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Hopefully that means it is Remy, people saying he ain’t prolific but I would think he will be playing on left wing similar style to Benny on the right. like Benny any more than 10 goals is useful whilst I would expect cisse to get more than 25 if fit all season with, Remy, Benny and Marvs behind him!

  • 63 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Wor Shearer….If it makes you happier to take on my post by including the addition of the word mother, then that is fine by me.

    This season so far has been dreadful and statistically as you say, the worst ever.

    Best fire the manager then as there couldn’t possibly be any other reason (or reasons) for it.

    Ruddy….Some people seem to think that because we want Pardew to be given time we hold him in the same league as your Fergies etc. I think they miss the point that most of them had bad patches but we’re given time and that has enabled them to become the power house figures they are today. It may not work our that way for Pardew, there is nothing to tell us either way other than giving him some time.

    I was not a fan of Pardew when he arrived, at all. Not because I knew of his records or lack of, but because I knew next to nothing about him.

    Now, if we were seriously looking at an established manager to come in, would I be up for it? I think I may be, but for the names people are mentioning? Not a chance. Not one of them is a winning manager yet, so why is it the way forward? It’s just another upheaval which may or may not result in a positive change. I’d rather give this a go for a bit and see where it gets us, as they old way didn’t exactly have us all cheering either or maybe my memory is failing me.

  • 64 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    @ts torres springs to mind immediately

  • 65 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    @Kets

    You don’t buy central defenders because they once scored a goal once from 40 yeards, you really only notice goals and flair don’t you?! and have no actual knowledge of football, go away

  • 66 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    we actually beat wba at home with a flukey cisse goal didn’t we?

  • 67 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    How can you use David Moyes record to highlight Pardews qualities?

    Sorry Ibiza I usually love your posts and haven’t had a bad word to say to you in over a year but that is daft.

    It has no correlation what so ever with Pardew and the current NUFC team. Every single circumstance you can show me, every element is different.

    Wait there whilst I bring up Chelsea’s record for the last 10 years and give a case why we should sack Pardew.

    Awful Ibizatoon, not worthy of you.

  • 68 GeordieToon89 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Btw lads a little thought, IF we sign Remy he wont be available for our Europa League run in, Personally if money is permitting I would like us to sign:

    CB – Sakho on loan until the summer with deal agreed for providing we survive – £500k/1million loan fee

    CM – Sissokho – £5million
    STx2 – Remy £9million and Maiga for £4million

    £24million including Debuchy
    £16.5million with the sale of Ba

    So a spend of £16.5million on players who will drastically improve our team in all positions and would more than likely secure our survival and get the 40% increase on TV revenue next season in which more than doubles what we would have spent.. it’s a win win situation

  • 69 mumbaNi // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    It’s gonna be tighter if we get relegated so let’s not be left ‘unable to get them over the line’

  • 70 GAZ09 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    The only signing we really need is a new manager, honestly whoever we do sign is going to make very little difference with Pardew in charge.

  • 71 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    Wor Shearer

    Seriously? He fluked a 5th place finish in the PL? So half a season after he got us to 5th you’re not prepared to even give him a full season? I find that point of view confusing. I am reminded by the hoards of people who thought it was a great idea to sack SBR for failing to finish inside the top 4.

    That didn’t work out too well for us in hindsight now did it?

  • 72 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    we should buy Tim Howard or Paul Robinson because they can score from 90 yards

  • 73 Mancgeordie // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    What do people expect pardew to say imagine a press conference ” Mike has giving me his cash card and told me to go out and spend as much as like on whoever I like anyway got to go got to catch a flight see you tomorrow” he has got money meeting was probably who off carr’s list they reckon they could get and for how much they will cost and which ones he would want

  • 74 hotdog // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Nick – there is one common thread there but I’m not covering the buffoon again, suffice to say I’m waiting for that centre half through the door.

    Ibiza – hello bud. At what point do you start to get worried by our form/results?

  • 75 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Kets how much do you think we could get Scharner for ?

  • 76 ToonDownSouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Beattie

    If you genuinely cannot understand Ibizas point, look harder.

    Moyes had a terrible first season, a decent second season, and a shocking third season. But they stuck with him, and he came out the other side and they’ve done well since.

  • 77 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Some lass on twitter has been at the training ground, just posted a pic of herself and Debuchy. Apparently he won’t be officially announced untill tommorow, and he will wear the number 26.

    I am an ITK god…

  • 78 GeordieToon89 // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Debuchy aint signing until tomorrow and he’s number 26 apparently

  • 79 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    @Beattie25

    Eh are you really that daft?!

    Chelsea’s record does not correlate with ours as they are big club, have almost unlimited money and have won things, come on lad atleast understand the point made even if it doesn’t correlate with your argument

  • 80 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Fray

    You do seem to have some anger management issues don’t you? Why abuse kets for having an opinion? It makes you sound like you think you are an expert.

  • 81 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    @beattie that was in reply to somebody sayin.g they want pards gone and moyes in

  • 82 Conaldo (The Wizard...Also Bestest Friends With Paul Scharner) // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    Gt89

    Haha beat you by about 10 seconds

    I am a better ITK than you. :)

  • 83 mattyNUFC // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    novo

    are you drunk or something? seriously?

    you’ve grossly misunderstood nearly everything i’ve said to you. how in anyway is me leaving a cop out? or saying that NOW we have one decent striker in cisse now that ba has gone (i.e. we used to have two)

    is there something i’m not getting or is it you??

  • 84 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    Wor Shearer…

    “I don’t trust him to get anywhere near the position we got to last season. Honestly, I think he fluked it!

    Maybe the players weren’t listening to him.”

    So this year they’ve just decided to start listening to the manager and that is why we’re doing badly? Come on now, Pardew will have some fault for this season, but that sort of comment is bordering on pathetic.

    TS….Ah yes, his comments :) Do many manager consistently come out looking good for what they say to the press? Hardly. In fact, most of the best managers are constantly slated for things they say. I don’t really give it a seconds thought most of the time. It’s all designed mind games which don’t concern me.

    I feel it’s a topic many have jumped on due to our poor poor campaign so far. You know, just something else to whinge about.

  • 85 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    @rotonda

    haha like you haven’t said the same things to other posters, stop trying to act all high and mighty

  • 86 kevymartins // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    Why don’t they just announce it already .I’m fed up with this waiting. Announce debuchy and move on to the next one

  • 87 John Tudor // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    even if pardew was gone moyes wouldnt come here too much crap upstairs

  • 88 magicbus // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    How the sweet f@@k can money be tight when we spent only 3 mill in the summer ( exits balanced against imports ) and now 5/6 mill for Debuchy.
    With the money that comes into the club from various sources I find this very puzzling indeed.
    Or is Ashley taking out some of this interest free loan the club owe him and not informing us what he

  • 89 John Tudor // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:59 PM

    and there will be no next one

  • 90 Billythefish // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Well here we go again, money is tight?? No wonder we are where we are in the league.
    Sure the club think they are in a Turkish market when it comes to the transfer window. The whole club including the fans need a lift and some much needed quality. Unless we replace Ba and shore the defence up, I can see it been a long 2nd half to the season.
    Phil brown us favourite with the bookies to replace Pardew.

  • 91 kevymartins // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    And is ba away or what I havn’t hear anything?

  • 92 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    Beattie…Seems almost everyone got my point, except you. I expect better from you my dearest Beatrice and i am sorry that would be enough for you to start doubting me.

    Hotdog….Worried about results? I am, as I’m sure every NUFC fan is. It’s how we fix them and what has caused them that has to be dealt with. No?

  • 93 SeanNufc87 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:00 PM

    @wor shearer + hadthetshirt

    if all our fans were like you two or if the board thought the same we would have a revolving door on the managers office and a help wanted sign hung under the st james sign at all times. both fergie and moyes teams almost got relagated early in their career’s, now im not saying that we should ignore the rut we are in, but maybe rather than swinging the axe every other month maybe get behind the team and hope they all rally and pull off a great finish. if we perform like we did during the man united and arsenal game we could take any team in the league. but hey im tired of constantly suggesting reason instead of doom saying but maybe if your all such fans of it go support chelsea, they spend loads of money and sack a manager nearly every season, which is exsactly what your calling for. im glad to see many of us sticking by the manager and team. HOWAY THE LADS!

  • 94 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    Ibiza

    Once more, I agree. I was definitely not a supporter of Pardew when he was first hired, partly due to not knowing much about him and partly because I thought Hoots was doing a good job, in retrospect I don’t think he could have attracted the players Pards attracted nor get them to 5th so in hindsight I think it was a good move.

    And the reason I would also be an advocate of giving him more time is that he has shown that he is capable of getting us into the upper reaches of the league, he was failed by the board over the summer, injuries, suspensions and yes, some tactical errors, lent to a disastrous slump in form but does one, albeit, awful run of form mean that Pards should lose his job. If that was the case managers like Fergy, Moyes and Wenger wouldn’t have been in their jobs half as long as they have been.

    Surely a manager’s ability should be judged on the expectations of the club he manages, were we expecting 5th again given that we had hardly any signings to speak of and an extra competition? I certainly didn’t I would have been happy with 8th, and even though I feel that is not achievable (or hard to at least) I still think a good run in the other cups would make this a good season as long as we stay up. Arsenal haven’t won a trophy in 7 years, this is a club that expects to win at least something every year, on the logic that is being applied to Pardew, why has Wenger not been sacked?

    I am aware I am extending the logic of this issue but the point is still valid.

  • 95 Mancgeordie // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    Isn’t hangeland from Fulham out of contract in the summer

  • 96 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:01 PM

    magicbus with a conspiracy theory. sunshine bus more like.
    yeah…. im horrible and resorted to a silly insult.
    i suddenly feel i fit in

  • 97 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Ruddy

    You aren’t seriously comparing pardew and SBR an absolute giant and legend of the game who was consistently successful with every club he was at and played great football and neve rlost 11 out of 13.

    Pardew has had 1 good season. He is never consistently good. if you can’t spot a team in feefall ie 20 points from 21 games, then I guess those alarm bells aren’t loud enough for you until it’s too late.

  • 98 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    1 goal? He’s scored about 10 from 30-40 yards. He’s our best defensive option at the moment and will cost around £6m.

  • 99 veto // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    money tight ? every prem club is loaded , new deal starts next year , everyone is well aware how much cash they have to spend , we are going to see some over inflated prices in the future as everyone is flush

  • 100 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    Ruddy…On reflection….Pardew out! :)

  • 101 hotdog // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Ibiza – I guess what I meant was how long do we give him. I’ve got the jitters about this window, because if we don’t bring the necessary players in and results continue as they are, I’m wondering if AP is the mouthpiece for Ashley that he was accused of on here!

  • 102 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    id snap hangelaand up for free. experienced strong. and does a job

  • 103 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    @kets

    HAHAHAH kets, 10 goals from 30-40 yards!! he only has 5 goals in his career and somehow i doubt all of them are from that far out

  • 104 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Firstly Moyes wouldn’t come here.

    Secondly you cannot use the fact that Moyes was given time to back up the idea that Pardew should.

    Every piece of evidence you can throw into this argument becomes null and void when yo take into account that nothing can be used to parallel to contrasting situations.

    If you are going to use history you should use Pardews, and Pardews alone. Even then you won’t have a fair viewpoint. The decision should be made (whether to keep Pardew or not) based solely on current form this season, the likelihood of Pardew getting us out of this position and the future direction he is taking us.

    No way can you take an apple and compare it to an orange just because it is a fruit.

    For example think of all the managers that were sacked early without being given time. what indication have you to say that they would have been successful or not/

    Whats to say that if Moyes was sacked Everton wouldn’t have won the league last season.

    As ludicrous as it sounds there is no evidence to suggest otherwise as that is the only statistic we have.

    Rubbish, utter garbage.

  • 105 NUFC STEVE // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    WINGERS we could go for anyone???
    Seen the lad we were after KNOCKAERT is on fire for Leicester. Like a mini Ben arfa.

  • 106 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:08 PM

    Ruddy

    first of all you compare pardew to SBR and now to Wenger.

    I don’t think Pardew has ever won the double twice, gone a whole season unbeaten or got to the European cup final while playing the best football ever.

    Pardew’s record doesn’t stack up with anyone of any note unless you count the johnson painter trophy.

  • 107 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    @rotonda no he’s comparing the fans reactions from then and now. keep up son

  • 108 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    This idea that because some of us are still backing Pardew means that we don’t realise where we sit in the league, how many points we have or how close we are too the relegation places has to stop.

    We’re all well aware of where we are, the difference is we believe Pardew can turn it around.

    Has nothing to do with alarm bells not ringing, it’s just yours are chiming that it’s down to Pardew, ours isn’t. Bells are working fine and dandy, don’t you worry.

  • 109 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Rotonda

    Missing my point a little, I wasn’t comparing Pards with SBR, I was merely stating that it is wise to be careful what you wish for as in the long run it may not work out for the best.

    But you’re right, SBR was a powerhouse of a manager and we sacked him for finishing 5th. He achieved great things in the short time at our club and could have achieved even more given more time. Pardew has arguably achieved something great in getting us European football for the first time in 6 years, and could achieve even more great things if we give him time. I prefer to accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative 😉

  • 110 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    @Rotonda

    haha come on lad, i thought you were meant to be the intelligent one

  • 111 hadthetshirt // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Sean@92 I didn’t say sack him?
    I am just peed off with the excuses he keeps making and constantly playing our best striker (in my eyes) on the right hand side.Also his blinkered approach to playing certain players week in week out when their form is awful.I know we cant do much about injuries,but surely it’s pardew’s resonsibility to get players in by banging on the owners door.We all knew with injuries and suspensions the squad wasn’t big enough.I have been a toon fan for many many years,and always will be.I like others have an opinion some may agree others may not,that’s life.

  • 112 woodsee // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    I as at the match last night,and cant believe no one has picked up on our so called wall for baines free kick.
    Samir nasri got slated a couple of weeks ago for turning away from the ball for man city,but thats exactly what malteser heed did last night,as did the rest of them.
    when your in trouble,the least i would expect from one of our players is to take 1 in the nuts,or the face,the soft shites

  • 113 Mancgeordie // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    This is pardews mess and he should be given the chance to do his job and pull us out of it yeah let’s sack him now and then spend the entire window looking for a new manager then a few weeks while the players get to know his tactics and style???

  • 114 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Fray

    you just do pompousity so much better than i could dream of

  • 115 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    Ruddy

    ”on the logic that is being applied to Pardew, why has Wenger not been sacked?”

    Maybe you could chose one of these:

    Monaco
    Ligue 1 (1): 1987–88
    Coupe de France (1): 1990–91

    Nagoya Grampus

    Emperor’s Cup (1): 1995
    J-League Super Cup (1): 1996

    Arsenal

    FA Premier League (3): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2003–04
    FA Cup (4): 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05
    FA Community Shield (4): 1998, 1999, 2002, 2004

    Individual

    French Manager of the Year: 2008
    J. League Manager of the Year: 1995
    Officer of the British Empire: 2003[203]
    Onze d’Or Coach of The Year (4): 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004
    Premier League Manager of the Season (3):[220] 1998, 2002, 2004
    LMA Manager of the Year (2): 2001–02, 2003–04[221][222]
    BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award (2): 2002, 2004[223][224]
    Freedom of Islington: 2004[225]
    FWA Tribute Award: 2005[226]
    English Football Hall of Fame: 2006[204]
    Premier League Manager of the Month (12):[220] March 1998, April 1998, October 2000, April 2002, September 2002, August 2003, February 2004, August 2004, September 2007, December 2007, February 2011, February 2012
    World Coach of the Decade: 2001–2010

    Not to mention countless finals and top 4 finishes.

    Perhaps historical success applied to the current status of an individual does have merit.

  • 116 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    Rotonda

    You are seriously missing my point, like off on another planet there fella.

  • 117 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    again rotonda you are completely ignoring the point. which is that the only long term managers in the pl all had some very poor (sackable) runs of form and all came out looking good years later.
    this is because they were given a chance even at low points.

  • 118 Novocastrian66 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Matty not sure what I’ve misunderstood. You have stated you think our squad is good enough. I disagree.
    I’ve asked you to tell me which areas of the team are good enough and you haven’t answered.
    Now you resort to insults. I’m trying to have a debate and I’m asking you to substantiate your statement.
    Just forget it, enjoy Miami.

  • 119 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Hangeland is 31.

    As much as I would love to sign him. It’s never going to happen. They wont buy anyone that has no sell on value.

  • 120 hotdog // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Woodsee – ooh your gonna have all the baldy nappers after ya with your malteaser heed comment. Funny though :-) (wouldn’t expect anything else from him. He would get the sheeps heart at Xmas)

  • 121 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Beattie…Well I could compare the nutritional value of oranges and apples as fruit. But moving on….

    You’re right, Moyes wouldn’t and wont be coming here.

    Try reading my comment once more, as once again it seems most of the other bloggers got my point. I’m not saying that proves Pardew will be successful if given more time, but people are throwing replacement names around who were in a similar situation to that of Pardew right now.

    Some are suggesting it is the sensible thing to do in firing Pardew. Well where is the concrete evidence that is right? There isn’t any, much like there isn’t any to say it’s right to keep him. It’s belief and opinion.

    I put Evertons finishing positions up to highlight Moyes hasn’t had Everton up the top every year since he arrived and has had to build and learn, as most managers do. Nothing about that will result in Pardew making us world beaters.

    Back to you buddy.

  • 122 RonVanDam // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Went over the tape of yesterdays game again. I think i was too harsh on Pardew in some of my comments yesterday.
    Right call was made when Oberton was subbed – he rang out of gas

    Looking at the team, we are still doing well with 2nd and 3rd choice players on the pitch. Yes we have a injury crisis but you also gotta look at fatigue as a factor. We’ve played 4 games in the last 11 days, and 8 games between 3/12 and 2/01 with a young squad. Thats 8 games in a month.

    Newcastle1-2Everton
    Arsenal7-3Newcastle
    Man Utd4-3Newcastle
    Newcastle1-0QPR
    Newcastle1-3Man City
    Fulham2-1Newcastle
    Bordeaux2-0Newcastle
    Newcastle3-0Wigan

    Looking at the scores, we haven’t done too bad. Losing margin could’ve been worse at the same time im not applauding or trying to use it as a excuse that its ok we lost. Our GD is in a reasonable margin and hopefully can get into positives once we start winning games. Looking at our squad for yesterdays game, heres how our bench looked like: Elliot Ferguson, Tavernier, Bigirimana, Abeid, Sa Ameobi, Ranger. Our squad is so depleted no wonder we are in crap.

    Vs Everton:
    Willo – I hope we release him in summer. Is not cut out for PL. Only thing working for him is his height. As a defender he does nothing for me. Doesnt attack, too slow and takes alot of time to control ball at feet. When he has the ball – makes short passes and slowly moves back. Compare him to Collo or other PL defenders you will see my point.

    Santon had a shocker yesterday.

    Tioti – made too many unnecessary challenges. Very contrasting to his first season. For a player his age who should be getting better and better, he’s doing it in reverse order.
    Shola da strolla – Should be bought in as a impact player. Good holding player and 70% of the time makes the right decision in the box when setting up attack. Downside: Too freaking slow, age is starting to show. Dont think any other PL team will take him if we released him today

    Ref – Pro everton. Some of his decisions didn’t make sense and always seem to go against us.
    Sammy – played well when he came on, shouldn’t be trying shots from 30m yet haha

    Bigi – plays better than tioti. Clean tackler, effective and always looking for work by repositioning himself.

    I would like to see 2 quality CBs come in this window along with Debuecy, MF and ST if we want to salvage our season

  • 123 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    @Rotonda

    Thats a complement on here

  • 124 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    Beattie

    Again, looking back at my earlier posts, I was stating that a managers success should be based on the expectations of a club, and if the merits of whether Pardew should be sacked or not are dependent on just this year’s form alone then we could do the same for Wenger, only heighten the situation for him as he manage’s a club that expects to win things, while success for NUFC would be a top 4 finish, the same could hardly be said for Arsenal, yet Wenger has rode comfortably for the past 7 years despite the fact that in that period he has brought no success.

    In the last season alone Pardew has achieved success by finishing 5th, so why is he more sackable than Wenger? I also admitted that I was extending the argument to arguably illogical proportions but the premise is still valid.

  • 125 RonVanDam // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    There are reports circulating on the net that Mathieu Debuchy has passed his medical

  • 126 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    I’m all for people backing Pardew, at the end of the day it is a personal chioce.

    But when you wheel out the Moyes record at Everton to aid his defense I think it offers you no ground to fight his corner.

    It is like me saying ‘what has Moyes actually achieved at Everton in his 10 years? A few top 6 finishes, a domestic final, but nothing else really. Everton should sack him.’.

    I wont though as it is nothing to do with Pardew

  • 127 darrenfletcher88 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Any news on dubbucy??

  • 128 pizzicatochan // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    All of you yelling out “sacking Pardew” probably missed the big point. Even Ferguson or Mancini or Guardiola is managing Newcastle, no one is going to get us playing nicely given the injury situation and… the budget. No single player is going to be the savior. Everyone has to work together. Now the distruptive Ba is gone. We can finally focus more on playing nice football again.

    (No FM/FIFA type of comment please.)

  • 129 OneAlanShearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    1. Pardew is a good manager.
    2. If we sacked him who do you think we’d get, moyes?! Dream on!! We’d get JFK or worse. Wake up and smell the coffee. Ashley does not splash cash.
    3. We may not even sign a strike if they can’t get one relatively cheaply.
    4. Caulkin said on twitter that delegation on the continent this weekend to look at players for beneath the first team. Does that sound like we are shopping for 1st team players, no it doesn’t.
    5. Ashley runs the club on a budget, that will not change. Only way you will significant would be in your dreams.

  • 130 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    manc

    we all know we are stuck with pardew, just don’t have to be happy about it

  • 131 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    @beattie25

    So no manager can be compared to any other manager because they aren’t at the same clubs? is that what your saying? does that stretch to footballers aswell?

  • 132 pizzicatochan // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    OneAlanShearer, I agree with everything except for one. Never trust the journalists!

  • 133 obatoyou // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    money’s not tight
    our owner got a billion
    surely he can spare 90 mil on a few players

  • 134 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Beattie…Help me out here. Is it that you’re not normally this obtuse or that I haven’t noticed it before?

    You say we should judge a manager on current form alone and then say Wenger is backed because of his….history?

    And once again, for the last time, I mentioned Moyes record as someone said we should be getting him in and doubling his wages. All I was saying is that Moyes, a supposed savior, also had similar problems to those we’re encountering now. What’s to say Pardew can’t get us through it?

    Not to say he will, but what’s to say he wont?

    I also forgot to say at the time, that despite how well he is regarded as a manager, I don’t believe he has won anything with Everton. Best he got was a semi final in one of the domestic cups I think.

  • 135 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    saying that, i’m sure beardo could do a job.

    no one could really do worse than 20 points from 21 games

  • 136 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Beattie – I personally (as in, in my opinion) find Moyes’ first 3 seasons at Everton very similar to Pardews….tight budget, similar league positions. I think the basic point made when making this comparison is that sacking a manage is not always the answer, and Everton could have easily got rid of Moyes on numerous occasions but haven’t are now a very good team as a result. Not saying Pardew is as good a manager, no way, but give him time…last season was no fluke! Got lucky sometimes but I firmly believe we deserved to finish where we did

  • 137 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    @Rotonda

    I think you will find that there is 5 managers below us doing worse, just saying

  • 138 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    actually beattie, just read your other posts and don’t get your argument….pretty much all football banter draws upon comparisons, nothin wrong with that!

  • 139 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Beattie

    I’m with Beattie on this one, seems like you are picking and choosing what is acceptable for debate and then change your mind when it doesn’t suit your particular argument.

    Given your own logic how would we be sure that any manager say for example Mourinho or Guardiola would do a good job at Newcastle as we wouldn’t have any evidence to suggest they could do a good job at the club given the fact they have only managed Barca and Real respectively and never managed us…it falls flat on its face I am afraid.

  • 140 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    I don’t think it is the sensible thing to fire PArdew now, only because we have a simpleton owner. But in an ideal world he eshould’ve been sacked 5 games ago. I don’t want him here but fear the replacement.

    I don’t have any faith that he could ever achieve anything with us, investment or not. That is my basis for the argument he should be sacked.
    If the owner has any ambition for us, Pards should go. If the owner want’s us to be a mediocre team that flirts with relegation and top 10 finishes then Pardew might be the man.

    This season has shown Pardew is no good unless backed by the owner.

    Ruddy

    I guess that is what annoys me. Arsenal’s ambitions over the past 5 years has been to get into the champions leauge, something Arsene has done. It is the fans that wan’t a title.

    NUFC had their ambitions this season and Pardew was quoted as aiming for Europe, the fans for the most part wanted a top 8 finish again. Pardew is leading us to 14th-20th. That is not good enough and he should be removed for not only missing his own objectives, the boards objectives but also the fans bare minimums.

    You say that a managers success should be based on the expectations of the club. Surely losing 9 in 11 is even below even our own low expectations.

    Wenger is meeting his targets, Pardew is not. To say that Wenger based on those assumptions should be sacked, is another pointless and ill thought out argument.

  • 141 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Why do people keep daying hive beardo a crack?
    Has he even got his full coaching badges?
    Just cos he was a good player doesn’t mean he’ll be a good manager
    Were not going to get rid of pardew and if we did i’d f uking hope the board would have more sense than going oh well who next lets see who we have knocking about the training ground

  • 142 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Has Ibiza been drinking his brut aftershave again ?

  • 143 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    *saying give
    Sorry on my phone!

  • 144 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Well, been fun as always.

    Before I go, I would just like to say how many times people labelled myself and others fools for “looking at the table and being satisfied” last season. Would now be the time where I say your a fool for just looking at the table and being unsatisfied? There is more to this than just league positioning, statistics / records from seasons past. It’s a question of where we are and what our options are.

    Anyway, have a nice night all, might catch you later if I’m finding myself a little too happy with life 😉

  • 145 roblee7 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    who would we get anyway if Pardew got the sack? Just think it would worsen the situation

  • 146 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    PPB

    always have to resort to an insult don’t you. I’m not missing any point at all, so not really any need to keep up.

    SBR and Wenger had / have a pedigree that Pardew is nowhere close to achieving. Are our expectations now so low that missing relegation rather than a top 4 finish as was mooted by pardew is deemed success.

  • 147 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    Beattie

    Aren’t we presupposing the expectations of both NUFC and Arsenal in determining the successes of both managers?

    And if Pardew should be sacked for failing to meet the fans expectations of 8th then should Wenger have been sacked years ago for continually failing to meet the fan’s expectations of not winning anything?

    And yet I am the one making pointless, ill thought out comments? Beetle, you were better than this, contradictions in the same comment is beneath you.

  • 148 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    That should read:

    “Wenger should have been sacked years ago for failing to meet the fan’s expectations of winning something.”

  • 149 RonVanDam // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    MA should get some of the club legends to talk to the team to increase motivation and make them understand what the club means to them and the fans

  • 150 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Belfast…When am I not?

    Beattie….A short few weeks ago Arsenal fans were calling for Wengers head for, what was it? There worst start in PL history? Not looking so shabby at the Emirates now though is it?

    A few games in football can change many things, even fans fundamental opinions it seems.

    Bye for now.

  • 151 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Rotonda

    No one is claiming avoiding relegation is success, so why state it?

  • 152 hotdog // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    Pardew still has my backing but I’m not sure for how much longer. Can’t wait for his excuses if no centre back and forward come in!!

  • 153 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    We would end up with somebody who’s no better than Pardew.

    That’s why I would stick with him.

  • 154 obatoyou // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    think we all already knew that ibiza! Good day to you sir

  • 155 Novocastrian66 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Beattie; “This season has shown Pardew is no good unless backed by the owner.” Which manager would succeed without backing?
    None.

  • 156 JARRAMAG // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    i find some of you on here amazing ffs Pardue has got us into this position.His team selection and tactics will get us relegated and some on here think that the returning Cabaye and Taylor will fix everything.

    Wake up unless we sack Pardue we are going to get relegated.

    He played our best striker right wing ffs and his position was taken by a poor striker who is crap

    He took off Obertan who was giving Everton problems and replaced him with Bigi (who should of replaced Tiote who was a liability

    He kept Shola on for 90 mins who was crap and has been for 15 years

    When Keegan said Ashley knows nothing about football and Lambias knows even less he was spot on and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

    One saying is very true in football -you pay peanuts you get monkeys-our problem is that Ashley has overloaded NUFC with monkeys

    God help us

  • 157 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Ibiza

    Twist that how you wan’t too but as I have said Wenger is still in charge as his current standing and teams form isn’t below the clubs expectations.

    You cannot take the past successes of Moyes or Wenger and use them in conjunction with Pardew.

    As far as Arsenal are concerned my logic is sound. You cannot use the past as an indicator of where the future lies, nor can it be used to protect a manager who is massively under achieving.

    Arsenal are playing good football, hitting their targets and are regarded as a top cub in Europe. Only then when someone questions Wengers lack of trophies can you point to the past (as Ruddy did, and I did).

    You cannot say that because Arsenal havent won a trophy in 7 years and NUFC might be relegated that both managers should be sacked. The same applies for keeping them in the job.

  • 158 obatoyou // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    dude if no centre back and forward come in, forget the manager
    im goin to support someone else

  • 159 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Jarramag

    Will you go back on your comment and apologise if we don’t sack Pardew and don’t get relegated?

  • 160 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Fray

    but those 5 clubs don’t have anywhere near the resources pardew enjoys. I’ve never seen a benny at reading or a cabaye at wigan.

    This is taking up time i will never get back. As my girlfriend said

    ”pardew’s not very good is he, newcastle are always losing. ”

    maybe the fairer sex are on to something

  • 161 Doomslayer // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    All managers go through downswings, some more serious than others. Those managers who have been allowed to learn how to deal with adverse runs of form, injuries, bad luck etc etc have tended to become better managers as a result and more able to minimise poor runs. As most managers have been booted out before they have had a chance to learn the new skills required to deal with the shite runs then there are very few who have actually learned from adversity as they are usually our of a job before they’ve sussed out how to sort it.

    Moyes has had some bad runs but is anything but a bad manager. SAF had the fans baying for his head after a short time at Manure. Wenger is a very good manager who has been allowed to keep his job when he has fallen short on expectations.

    The biggest mistake made at the Toon manager wise was dumping SBR. Let’s hold on to AP for now and hope he is a quick learner and can get us out of trouble. If he doesn’t he’ll have to go. If he does he’ll be much better for it and we’ll be a much better side the next few seasons.

    I’m with Ibiza, real Ruddy etc on this one

  • 162 obatoyou // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    Not sure people were calling for Wenger’s head Beattie, they had their ‘worst’ start, but it wasn’t terrible by premier league standards, and they had still done mighty well in the champions league.
    Had Arsenal lost 9 games out of 11, then certainly people would be calling for Wenger’s head and he would be sacked

  • 163 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    @rotonda i rarely resort to an insult. today has been an exception.
    you have made yourself a little more clear now and it looks like you might have paid attention to but ignored mentioning the point.
    the way i see it, no, our expectations aren’t that low. but that is where we are now ,and i trust pardew can pull us out of this. there is no reason he should be sacked because he once mentioned finishing 4th and we are nowhere near achieving that. most realists thought top half given the extra games and lack of bodies brought in.

  • 164 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Beattie

    Just to be clear, I am not actually claiming that Wenger should be sacked, I am using the fact that he has not been sacked due to, in my view, failing to match fan’s expectations as to why Pardew should not be sacked for doing exactly that. If he consistently does it season in season out (as Wenger does) then perhaps my view would change.

  • 165 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Oba
    Alot of fans were calling for wengers head mate have been since last season

  • 166 Mancgeordie // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Just thinking if you could get hangelannd for say 2-3m on a 2-3 year deal and get the valencienne lad for say 4m on a 5 year deal your training his replacement plus there is no need to rush him in and would still cost less than a sakho or a mbwia? As for pardew just think if we sack him now at his first proper problem patch we would be going backwards it back to square 1, the likes of moyes, fergie and wenger have all become better managers because of times like this, I work with shaun murphys brother and he often goes out with a few of the players and simmo grew up on my aunts street and his mum and my aunt are friends they both say they like all like playing for him

  • 167 Jay K // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Areet lads not sure if your aware debuchy announcement tomorrow and will wear 26. From the training ground :-)

  • 168 Peter // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Just wondering what are your views against Brighton. Not bothered or is it the final straw if we lose

  • 169 DaveD1000 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    “Three years of excuses and it’s still crap…ta-ra Fergie.” was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked. Ferguson later described December 1989 as “the darkest period [he had] ever suffered in the game”, as United ended the decade just outside the relegation zone

  • 170 obatoyou // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Possibly some silly fans toonarmydownsouth, there is no way the board would have got rid of him anyway, is my point, as they weren’t doing too horribly, in fact I seem to remember them starting last season ghastly, in 18th position at some point, losing 8-2 to Man United

  • 171 Spreadthetoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    Ruddy
    Sorry got to enter into this one re: expectations. Expectations are mgd by the mgr: “AP we’re aiming for top 4″ he said that this season after a few games in which I saw a shaky start. Forget the fans, the board etc……just think of the players like HBA who will feel dejected and frustrated by performances. AP sets the bar and the standard….not just the board…..most knew this season would not be as good as last cos’ of the shocking window of last (btw this window will be no different this time). I find all the music coming out of SJP contrite, arrogant and a kick in the teeth for fans and supporters alike! AP’s failings are his inability to manage people’s expectations, poor tactics and an inability to admit his own failings…..can’t begin to tell you that if AP acted with a little more humility…it would go a long way. Besides most of this season has been a horror show and you cannot place that on injuries….

  • 172 obatoyou // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Thanks Jay K, good news,
    which striker are we gonna bring in and when is the next question

  • 173 JARRAMAG // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Ruddy

    Yes i would but i am taking this standpoint on the whole season and to be honest i think he has lost the plot.

    He rates Shola
    His free kicks pinpointing Williamson shows his tactical weakness
    Not being able to stem the flow of goals against

    All the above show me that Pardue is out of his depth and will lead us to be relegated

  • 174 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Oba
    Exactly and i think that applies to us aswell the boards expectations are different to the fans
    Just because we have had fans calling for pardew doesnt mean the board view it the same if AP can say salvage a 10th place finish

  • 175 Burni // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    I feel like I’m missing something here….. Pardew is again telling us how tight money is…… surely it is not. I dont wanna breakdown income and that but for three years money has been tight. Surely in a time of, what many would call crisis, money cannot be tight.

    Now last season we all expected not to do as well as we did but the way it seems is like ma has decided that we have done it once so we don’t need to spend. The fact that we have actually performed worse shows imo that we needed to spend desperately in summer. Now even more so.

    Our performances of late have been very good going forward but our defence has been shite! Utter utter shite! Now don’t hate me but I would love all new cbsI know that won’t happen but I look at Dawson, jagielka, skrtel, agger, luiz… and many more and think how they are so so much better than ours. Taylor included… name one full season he has played…..

    I haven’t commented in ages coz I don’t wanna get drawn into too much negativity but I was pleasantly surprised last season… this season I’m so frustrated!! I wanted us to push on but we have become worse.

    Please sort this out pardew…. and the team!

  • 176 Burni // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    I feel like I’m missing something here….. Pardew is again telling us how tight money is…… surely it is not. I dont wanna breakdown income and that but for three years money has been tight. Surely in a time of, what many would call crisis, money cannot be tight.

    Now last season we all expected not to do as well as we did but the way it seems is like ma has decided that we have done it once so we don’t need to spend. The fact that we have actually performed worse shows imo that we needed to spend desperately in summer. Now even more so.

    Our performances of late have been very good going forward but our defence has been shite! Utter utter shite! Now don’t hate me but I would love all new cbsI know that won’t happen but I look at Dawson, jagielka, skrtel, agger, luiz… and many more and think how they are so so much better than ours. Taylor included… name one full season he has played…..

    I haven’t commented in ages coz I don’t wanna get drawn into too much negativity but I was pleasantly surprised last season… this season I’m so frustrated!! I wanted us to push on but we have become worse.

    Please sort this out pardew…. and the team!h

  • 177 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    Enter into debate as you will, the more the merrier.

    I think he was just trying to breed a mentality of “we can do this if we work hard enough” and perhaps Pards thought he was going to be working with a much bigger squad than he was left with, and that he was let down by the board.

    I wouldn’t necessarily say that he was being arrogant, or lacked humility but others have a more critical view on his comments than I do, so each to their own.

    I wouldn’t claim that this season is completely down to injuries, Pardew of course has to take some responsibility but lack of signings, coupled with injuries to key players occurring through out the season has added to the poor season we are having.

  • 178 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    Ruddy

    Re: Mourinho and blah blah blah….

    Quite simply we will never know, that is the paradox of choice. However I believe (as is my right) to say that NUFC would be better with another manager in the long term. However I fully admit that the manager we would get with Ashley in charge would probably be worse than Pardew. I am not creating an argument for Pardew to be sacked here, just stating that those points used by yourself and Ibiza for Pardew to stay are not fair, correct or logical.

    My next point was also twisted to suit your argument which is funny as that what you accused me of.

    Ultimately we do not define the expectations of the club, nor do any fans. The board set the objectives for which a manager and his team should achieve.

    Most Arsenal fans cannot see past their own arrogance to see that the current Arsenal team is performing to expectations. Regarding Newcastle I think we the fans (again for the most part) had realistic aspirations at the begging of the season. However the club is doing much, much worse than we could have imagined. This doesn’t matter much as we do not set the goals. Surely though those at the top would say this season is a massive failure?

    Fans are either optimists, pessimists or realists.

    Your optimism means that near relegation, consolidation and small club mentality is fine and that no changes are needed.

    Others pessimism means nothing less than a top 4 finish and a trophy would do, so these results mean the end of the world unless we buy every international player we’ve ever been linked with.

    My realism concludes that this is a poor season that may get poorer unless something changes. Either way at the end of the season we should sack Pardew.

    Put it this way, If Arsenal finished 12th Wenger should be fired. That is way below all expectations.

  • 179 Burni // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Sorry for duplicate posts

  • 180 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Good work agent jay K!!

  • 181 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Anyway lads I am off here now, been a pleasure debating.

    Jarra

    Willo is the strongest aerially and it is no wonder we aim our set pieces at him, but I do agree we seriously have to work on our set plays both offensively and defensively. That is not just an issue for Pardew though but also the coaching staff and players concerned.

    I don’t think he is out of his depth, he has shown he can take us to 5th, let’s give him the time to get us up there again.

  • 182 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    image of Percy Parsnip fan club members on their way home after the Everton Match. I am not claiming a scoop though.
    http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&tbm=isch&tbnid=m2VoZKn8zPCXDM:&imgrefurl=http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/l/lemming.asp&docid=tBUlfC7Xgxw9oM&imgurl=http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/lfo/lowres/lfon209l.jpg&w=400&h=348&ei=X9PlUILOGYLM0AXIsoHgBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=742&vpy=276&dur=5160&hovh=209&hovw=241&tx=206&ty=89&sig=111517383415957046186&page=1&tbnh=142&tbnw=164&start=0&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:0,i:124&biw=1024&bih=677

  • 183 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    Burni

    Many clubs find resolving their debt issues to be a multi-year struggle, and its the same case with us. We have been paying for the indulgences of our pre-relegation years.

    I think you’re right, complacency sank in, and we ignored the fact we had very few injuries last season and thought we could handle English football + European with only 1 senior addition.

    The fact AP, DL, and MA are having a meeting on the issue seems promising. I mean we all know MA is shrewd and frugal, BUT he has the perfect guys working for him in terms of acquiring great talent for cheap. He just needs to give them the capital.

  • 184 wynsleap // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    ”Money is tight”? Why do the owners and management at this club talk to us as if we are bloody imbeciles?
    It’s not money that’s tight at this club – it’s the unambitious b*****d who runs it.
    We’ll see how how tight money is when everyone is milking it in the Premiership next season and we’re struggling away in the Championship.

  • 185 wreker16 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    On the topic of expectations,

    Surely Pardew has missed them, no question. Personally I think the season is sort of lost, top 10 is very unlikely, if he gets there well then he has certainly done well to turn it around.

    I don’t think we will get relegated, I don’t think we will get top 10. Sacking him now is a bad idea, depending what happens between now and then (wen players come back and assuming he does get some players this window) then we should review the situation in the summer.

    If Laurent blanc is still available then and wants to come ????????????????????????????????????

  • 186 Doomslayer // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    Spread
    How many managers openly admitted they’ve F-ed up big time in interviews ?

    As far as expectations go then there are public and private statements. I doubt very much whether he’s telling the players what he tells the press. He has to manage confidence too whuch is much harder in a bad run

  • 187 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    Burni
    Dont think we can really blame pardew for the budget that the board has set him

  • 188 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    Beattie

    You’ve missed my points entirely, and misrepresenting my stance as optimistic to the point of accepting mediocrity which is once more incorrect.

    I disagree that the points used by both myself and Ibiza were illogical, I admitted whenever I was being illogical which was deliberate to demonstrate how illogical I thought the calls for Pardew to be sacked were.

    At the risk of having my words minced and twisted any further I think I will bid you adieu.

  • 189 toonicle // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Connor Wickham is a good wing player, young and pacey. Wouldn’t mind seeing him at the toon if we’re just throwing names out there.

  • 190 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    agree 100% with Beattie 25

  • 191 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Novocastrian66 // Jan 3, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Beattie; “This season has shown Pardew is no good unless backed by the owner.” Which manager would succeed without backing?
    None.

    Well not true. It depends on what you define as success. I would’ve said success this season was top 8, failure was top 12, utter embarrassment anything less than 12th., relegation would have been the worst case of management in history with the players at our disposal.

    Many other managers could and would have coped better than Pards (in my opinion). Yes all managers need investment but we aren’t Wigan with shite players and hardly any money.

  • 192 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    @Jay K
    Great to have someone close to the grounds :)

  • 193 hotdog // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Obatoyou- how do you go about that. Is there a potion or something. My pops has a lot to answer for. Hang on my younun will be having a go at me. NUFC, you bugga I hate u and love u arghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

  • 194 GAZ09 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    i see Chamakh is going to West Ham on loan

  • 195 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Beattie25

    After Pardew’s blunder handling Ba and Cisse, he has improved our offensive play. And tactically he was quite good last season.

    It would be foolish to sack him when considering all other factors, such as our complete lack of depth and abnormally high amount of long term injuries to key players.

    The barometer should be Pardew’s performances when we have a healthy squad with decent backups. Right now we really don’t have either. If we find ourselves bottom table after Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Debuchy, and whoever else has been playing, there will be a solid case against Pardew.

  • 196 Spreadthetoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Those who mention 5th last season…well SBR….put it in the context of consistency then its worth mentioning otherwise its irrelevant!

    Our performances and tactics deployed this season…..its been shocking…..so cos’ the board have given AP an 8yr contract our voices are muffled and fingers crossed in the hope and anticipation that something will happen/ change and that this “stability” thing will come good eventually! Cannot see a new appointment helping now as the season is too far gone…….but I do think another mgr at the helm next season may be the solution…………I’ll see the season out reluctantly with AP, if we stay up and performances improve then I’ll be happy. Our league position is irrelevant to me as this season has been a whitewash…..survival and good performances with entertaining attacking football with disciplined team shape and structure to cover in times of defensive duties please!

  • 197 ToonDownSouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    I think we’ll finish in the top half. If I was a betting man, I’d put money on 9th or 10th.

    Manchester United, Manchester City, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Everton, and Stoke are the teams that I expect to definitely finish above us.

    We’ll be fighting with West Brom, Fulham, West Ham, Norwich for the 9th/10th positions, in my opinion.

    I know WBA are currently a mile away, but I do think they’ll slip down the table pretty rapidly.

    The most important thing for us is whether we can take 9 points from these next 3 games without our big guns back.

  • 198 Doomslayer // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Money will be even tighter if we got relegated and missed out on the increase in TV revenues. Bet the Parachute payment wouldn’t go anywhere near covering the shortfall.

    Even if we spent £20m it would still be an investment. £20m in terms of business investment to protect an asset is peanuts

  • 199 GAZ09 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Why do we spend so much time pissing around to bring players in? i just dont get it

  • 200 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Seems debates are well grounded this evening, happy to see that :)

  • 201 toonheroes // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    How about we just don’t sigh anymore players but instead take the 30 mil. we’ll be getting if we stay up and spend it on Guardiola? One year rolling contract. Next year we’ll be in the champions league, the year after that we beat Barcelona in the final, the year after that we get Messi.

    Hows that for a five year plan?

  • 202 stretchintoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Money tight….iknow weve just bought debuchy for 5m but havent we just made 7.5 on ba,so whoever we bring in (if we bring any1 in) weve in reality got them for 2.5 m cheaper

  • 203 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    Unfortunately, that’s the cynical approach many of us are taking. The best we can hope for is a higher finish. Higher finish = more cash reward at season’ s end.

  • 204 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Good read/watch this one lads.
    Keegan sane again?

    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/186565.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

  • 205 89Norcal // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    stretchintoon

    We only got 4.5m from Ba after paying his stupid “loyalty bonus”

  • 206 ToonDownSouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    stretchintoon

    Nope, we (reportedly) get £3m for Ba. He and his agents recieve the rest.

  • 207 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    That’s not fair Ruddy.

    It is fair to say calls for Pardew to be sacked due to (insert example here) are illogical because (insert answer here) .

    But to defend the man by bringing the record of Moyes, the mindset of Aresnal fans and the expectations of certain NUFC individuals is not correct.

    We should base all arguments on the facts presented to us regarding NUFC and NUFC alone.

    You can’t say Hitler would have been good for the cultural influence of Europe because the Ancient Romans showed us the strength of Empire.

    I know Hitler shouldn’t be used as reference to Pardew but neither should the tenuous Moyes comparison.

  • 208 psutty80 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Hi all, don’t often post as just read the bogs.
    It may be that maiga will leave west ham as he is unsettled and go to Marseille, west ham want chamakh, which will help us get Rémy. Got this from a west ham fan.

  • 209 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    I will explain my stance clearer for all.

    Should Pardew be sacked? – Yes
    Will we get a better manager? – Probably not
    So, should Pardew be sacked? – Probably not

  • 210 SeanNufc87 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    @jarramag@171

    shola has best first touch in our squad by far, never misses a penalty and constantly plays decent nod ons, sure he isnt the best player all round but couldnt very well play ba now could he? williamson is shit, hes played a port in most of our 11 recent defeats but again… everyone is injured. how does this show pardew is out his depth, your just on a witch hunt and looking for a single person to blame, its a team game mate.

  • 211 Spreadthetoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Doom
    Wenger/ SAF have at time admitted things……our team shape and confidence looks shattered as soon as a team enter our half……and we back, back, back away inviting teams to thrash us! AP has seriously co@ked this season up…….injuries aside I still do not think our performances have been good enough.
    Agree £20m should be minimum to protect investment of EPL considering the xtra £30m on top of what we get now for TV rights nxt season…….but sadly its all the same music coming from SJP…….amazed that the egos and arrogance of the 3 wise men can even fit inside our great stadium! We deserve so much better IMO.

  • 212 toonicle // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    SeanNufc- But Pards makes idiotic subs and can never seem to settle on one formation or set of tactics for more than 30 minutes. He isn’t helping us, that’s for sure.

  • 213 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    About £1.75m, but I think Hamburg might let him go out on loan. He’s the sort of player that we’re after. We need winners.

  • 214 Rake // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    I would like to point out that the season isn’t over….

  • 215 jimiley // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    We have lost 9 out of 11 and only won 2 in the last 15!!!!! Thats freefall. The manager seems to think that things will improve when stars return. The same stars who got us in this mess in the first half of the season. Still no real dissent in the ground apart from boos at the end. Any other manager would have been well sacked by now. It must be the worst run in our history. We are sleepwalking towards relegation and nobody can be really bothered to do anything about it. Mashers has cowed everyone into silence. The Cockney mafia have won in the Geordie heartland. How sad is that!!!!

  • 216 JARRAMAG // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    SeanNUFC87

    I have been watching Shola for about 15 years and he is crap.He has has 15 years to be the top man at NUFC but has always been a sub,why?because he has not got the brain or determination to be the best -therefore sub

    It is only the fact that we have no one else that we have to turn to him

    Keep playing Shola Pardue and get us relegated

    All of the problems are from Ashley
    1)he is running our club like a Wigan or Swansea but only worse they have more first team players than us
    2)He will not spend any money
    3)Ma/Dl know nothing about running a football club and Pardue is their puppet

    One question i would like to ask Ashley is.Are you prepared to lose £60 mill in tv revenue or are you going to buy the players we need to keep us up?

    All will be clear to see on 01/02/13

    God help us

  • 217 SeanNufc87 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    @toonicle

    what poor subs? or formation? I can only assume you mean oba coming off last game? because he was exhausted due to overcrowded fixture list and didn’t seem upset at all to be coming off? or do you mean the change to 442? which you probably won’t remember but what we did when were getting screwed by Everton before that exact change settled the game?

  • 218 JARRAMAG // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    JARRAMAG // Jan 3, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    MA-Deka/Pardue do you think i should spend £20 mill to keep us up because if we go down i will lose £60 mill in TV revenue next year and Dembas gone.

    Deka-We have enough purples to see us through until the summer Mikey dont worry Debuchy is sorted,what do you think Alan?

    Alan-Well i think Deka is spot on-we have Shola to replace Demba,Debuchy can cover full back and the wing(2 signings in 1)Taylor and Yohan will be back shortly so it will be like 2 new signings which make 4 new signings if i am being honest Mikey

    MIKEY- right Alan tell them thick Geordies we are skint-they always swallow that line

    All the above might be the actual words from the 3 wise mens meeting

    God help us

  • 219 SeanNufc87 // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    @jarramags

    it’s laughable that your suggesting determination and intelligence are the make and break of great players. if you listened to AP comments before the game he explained sholas inclusion in the squad. give it until March after a few good results you will all fall silent or start throwing individuals under the bus because there always seems to be more black than white on your shirts. let’s be positive ey lads?

  • 220 Tommyy // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    There’s no point arguing, everyone here has a point that is most likely valid or at least partly valid as a factor for our fall from grace.
    For those saying last season was no fluke, it’s most certainy a fluke until we do it again.
    I’m in the Pardew staying camp, mainly because I don’t think we can get anyone else in of note nor without disrupting the delicate team mentality, partly because I think he can be decent if he gets his full team back. He’s not great but he works hard and in time that will pay off.

  • 221 JARRAMAG // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    SeanNUFC87

    Pardue has actually stated that Shola is one of his best players in the past

    Have you ever played the game or even watched Shola play because i have a lot and i can tell the difference between a top player and a dud and im afraid he is a dud

    Also if Llambias thinks Williamson and Perch are top players then we are truly fcucked

  • 222 toonicle // Jan 3, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    Sean- Yep, why take Obertan off when we’re losing the game and replace him with a DM like Bigi? How does that help when we’re losing 2-1? Why does Pards wait until the 70th minute EVERY game and then toss out three subs in 20 minutes, wasting time and putting in players out of position? Why start Shola in a CF position when he’s best used as an impact sub? Why put in technical players like Anita and Marv and then totally make them useless by playing longball from the back? Might as well just put 2 SportsDirect Ad boards at Left and Right midfield if we’re just going to boot the ball over them anyways.

  • 223 Zebras4Life // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Why continue to bitch. It does NO good. 75% of our players who are wortha $hit are injured and we have an owner who is a cheap F*&k. We have the depth of a mid-level championship team. However, the skipper did win manager of the year last season with for the most part a healthy side. When we get our star players back and fit we will see results. Im sure of it. Hopefully, this has been an eye opener to the fat man. I doubt it, but I hope. I too have ?’d some of Pardews moves but with the quality we are putting on the pitch…might as well keep mixing it up…outside of Cisse. Cat needs to be at the ST position always. Ba shouldve been on the wing. Shame on him. Much respect for his abilities but I think he was shaking things up in a bad way for our team. We need a strating CB and CF/Winger (someone who can create and finish…like a younger version of a DiNatale) If Simpson and Williamson dont play we eliminate 100% of their BS hoofball approach to what should be a more beautiful game. With these pieces along with our most important link, CABAYE, I feel we can finish in top 10 and make strides to be more than competive next season barring NO INJURIES. This is our weakness, b/c that requires investment and time.

    FYI – fat man should just sign Willian or Mkhitaryan, as they would be the perfect fit

  • 224 SeanNufc87 // Jan 3, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    @toonicle

    that’s the first thing you have said that I can’t argue with, our passing game has changed for the most part massively since last season and the only reason I can see is because of the injuries to key players and target options up front, I think once cab and others come back the confidence to run with the ball will return like we did at arsenal and man u

  • 225 Sav // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:35 PM

    Mashley may be pulling out his pockets and saying cash his tight but perhaps needs to ponder whether he can afford NOT to splash some cash. If Carr is that good, he should be backed. If Pardew is worth an 8-year contract he should be backed. And if the team manages 5th place and qualifies for Europe, it should be backed.
    Investing is about timing as much as about caution. Sometimes you are able to snag a bargain, as we have done a fair few times ( Krul, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Bigi etc.) and sometimes you just have to pay the going rate to get what you need (Anita, Debuchy and now a striker and a centre-half).




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