If Newcastle’s bid for Loic Remy of Marseilles is not successful this month, Newcastle may go after former striker target Modibo Maiga, who is at West Ham at the moment, and reports say he’d like to join Newcastle.
Modibo Maiga – could be joining Newcastle
But the 23 year-old Mali International’s form since he joined West Ham from French club Sochaux in the summer has been mediocre at best, and he’s scored only two league goals, and we wonder why Newcastle would try to sign him, after he failed a medical in December of 2011 at Newcastle.
But West Ham are willing to let him move on this month, and use the money they get to strengthen their squad, and we suppose if Newcastle really want him he could be brought to Tyneside, but we wonder how good a player he is in the Premier League?
But a West Ham source confirmed yesterday they would let him go:
“We’ll listen to offers for Modibo.”
If Newcastle have learned anything from their relegation season four years ago, it’s that they should use this window to fortify the squad, but that’s always difficult to do in January, and that’s what we should have done it in the summer.
But nobody would have thought Newcastle would have lost 11 of their first 21 league games this season, after doing so well last season.
But that’s what’s happened, and now we’re in a relegation fight for our survival.
Maiga has played 16 times for the Hammers with four goals in all competitions this season.
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1 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:08 AM
No please not another African mercenary
2 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:09 AM
We’re not after Maiga, this is bullocks, just leave it dead.
3 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:09 AM
Pardew telling Cisse he has to “step up”. What exactly is his problem? He has scored 6 goals from the wing!!! We sell our main scorer yet still he plays him out wide!!
If Santon had half a brain Cisse would have had 2 last night. Failure to pass there was a joke.
Pards, if you play Cisse as a lone striker he will finish the season with 20 or more. Simple as that. Put a good, creative midfield 5 behind him and we will win games, providing you buy some defenders.
4 bambams // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:09 AM
Ed…Behave or are you genuinely trying to wind us up !!!!
No , No , never
5 Nufc-83 // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:10 AM
Doesnt look good at all we just need a player who will run the channels all day long e.g. Bellamy. This will stretch the opposition defence and give more room for cisse to make runs in behind.
6 Kyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:10 AM
If maiga is our answer then it seems we have accepted relegation already.
7 JazzMag // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:10 AM
Why would be interested? He already failed a medical and he has not exactly been prolific at west ham. Carlton Cole is preferred to him, surely that says a lot!
8 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:11 AM
@sirtoongospel
Do u have a quote on that or did u just read a headline?
9 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:11 AM
Why would pay more to get him now when we had through the door and decided to pull the plug?
Non story!
Torq/ppb
For me colo is in a position where we’ve made him undroppable you cant drop your captain, but he needs some pressure for competition and his leadership qualities have been seriously lacking this season
No doubt he’s a great cb but complacency seems to be creeping in this season but that could be said for half the squad!
Stevie T and willo are the same player this season so we desperatly need a first team CB and another to keep pressure on our current 3 senior CB’s
Also glad tiote is off to ACON tbh he’s been a liability this season and by far the worst player on the pitch for the last 5 games his head needs screwing back on some of the free kicks he gives away knowing how weak we are on set pieces is nothing short of plain stupidity
But he’s another player who the club have built up to indespendable to the team so i fully expect him to stroll into the starting line uo when back
10 Ollieh51 // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:12 AM
If Maiga is the answer, what was the effin question!
11 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:13 AM
Could someone post one of these socalled reliable links stating Newcastle are interested in Maiga?
12 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:14 AM
We have some “easy” games coming up, we need to start build our confidence in those, and going forward i think we can.
A couple of clean sheets would do us a world of good too tho, cause all the defenders must think they’re not good enough atm.
13 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:15 AM
Ollieh
How could things get worse??
14 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:15 AM
I’d just like to add another opinion to the whole ‘we can’t compete with the big boys!’.
I agree with this statement and we shouldn’t even be trying to compete with the city’s united’s and the chelsea’s of the leauge but by god we should be able to compete with Stoke, Everton, Villa and Norwich.
Its pathetic that we spent the least this season. There is no defending that. It isn’t about competing with the big boys, it’s about competing with every other team and wenate failing terribly.
Even so, a good manager can get the very best out of a poor team. A poor manager can only bring out the very worse in a good team.
From the beginning to now we have not only seen bad results hit very poor football. Even in the games we played well it wasn’t for a sustained period or it ever looked comfertable for us.
I fear that even if we could compete with Fulham financially we could never compete with Pardew as our blunt spearhead.
15 Jayden // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:16 AM
Pardew said: “I think we all know that Papiss is a natural goalscorer. He’s had to play on the side, but he will play through the middle for us. We need to make sure we’re strong enough in midfield, and get the distribution to him.”
..Is what we’ve been saying for.. how long?
16 bambams // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:16 AM
SSN has just said Arsenal defender ‘Djourou’ (sorry boys just caught the end did not see the spelling) was having talks about a move away….Were we not linked with hime a few weeks ago ?
17 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM
Dannyo
Thats because at the moment, there not
The goals we’ve been conceding our so weak we cant even clear our lines whenever theres a loose ball in the area we just panic and start hacking at it and in the end we seem to clear it about 8 yards
18 Ben3arfa // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM
Maiga is an average player , him and Remy should never be mentioned in the same breath
PLEASE SIGN SOME QUALITY PLAYERS YOU COCKNEY TWATS .. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE US DO WELL WHY DONT YOU JUST BUGGER OFF AND PURCHASE SPURS OR SOMETHING . WE ARE NOT A FLEA MARKET STAND THAT YOU CAN USE TO MAKE SOME EXTRA CHANGE WHILE DRAGGING THROUGH THE MUD
19 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM
Dannyo it’s all over. I will post the SKY link
20 outsidethebox // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:21 AM
KrulG4ME
yeah ref martin atkinson was shocking last night ..but he has been censored twice by fa after moyes complaints …main thoughts about match was that toon need defensive captain capable of complaining to ref about decisions …ameobi was pushed by distin almost every high ball but shola didn,t have gamesmanship a la fellini to go down ..
need leader on pitch….quality centre back …and rest for williamson +shola +tiote
21 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:21 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9777360/Newcastle-United-manager-Alan-Pardew-counting-on-Papiss-Cisse-to-step-up-and-fire-club-to-safety.html
Says we need to get him where he was last season. For me, he looks a more all round player. But playing him up front would be a nice start
22 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:23 AM
Santon,
Top 10 finish this season. Im hoping for 8th.
I agree mr tuff we have current problems, but i dont think there as bad as people think. There not problems that cant be rectified once we have a first team 11 WE want to play and a few new faces in. Im not worried in the slightest at the moment, We just need to ride this tough time out. The quality will shine through once their back.
Now if we were playing are best 11 with full first teamers on the bench and we went on this kind of run. Then i’d be panicking.
Big style.
23 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:23 AM
@tads
Ye, but look at them. Collo and Krul specifically, Santon was great all season until maybe the last 3-4 games, he’s been completely in shambles.
It’s quite obvious that there’s a complete lack of confidence, we know these players to be solid as rocks.
We need to catch a couple of breaks in succession here and move up the table to see the light again.
24 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:25 AM
Is Maiga really only 23 – he looks closer to 28 or 29
lol
25 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM
@ Ben3arfa // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:18 AM
Well said
26 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM
The fact he has only been at west ham for 6 months and they are ready to sell speaks volumes really. Id be really surprised if we went in for this lad. Especially after the farce in the past we had. Although i do think that was a ploy because we wanted Cisse
27 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM
Dannyo
Obviously confidence is on the floor but i still think complacency is playing a huge role theres no competetion in the back line if some one is out of form who do you drop them for?
28 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:26 AM
@sirtoongospel
Playing on the wing has certainly improved some of his play, his ball retention is pretty good now compared to before, where more or less anyone could get the ball out of his feet.
His first touch has improved slightly too.
He’ll come good, i think most of us belive that.
29 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:27 AM
Outside
You are absolutley right Neville was in the refs ear all night and even when there was the penalty shout,which I have not seen on tv and was hard to see at the game ,he went straight to the ref and made it clear he got the ball
I wonder where he learnt that
Contrast to a prick on the touch line with his hands in his pocket
30 Beattie25 // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:28 AM
Toon prodigy
And whatskes you think that as soon as our first 11 are back again some won’t get injured?
That’s football! The problem isn’t with who starts it’s with who covers and the tactics on the pitch
We need either massive investment in this brief transfer window or a man who can get the best out of these misfiring players.
Do you fully believe we’ll get either?
For me we are gambling with our future as always and we will get minimal investment and Pardew will be given until the end of the season where it could have been too late.he should’ve gone 5 games ago but we’ll see what happens this month.
I’d like to be pleasantly surprised but nothing has surprised me this season.
I really think if we lose the next 2 we are down.
31 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:28 AM
@tads
That too is probably part of the reason.
Maybe it started with complacency and it went too far and has now gone into lack of confidence due to our results.
32 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:29 AM
@ Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:23 AM
Its the same bleeding defense as last season, bar now Debuchy???
You think Steven Taylor is going to make that much of a difference, it’s clear, we can score goals, but at the moment even the the U11 girls netball team will score a goal against that defence
33 gaz 44 // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:31 AM
cant sign for 2 prem clubs in a season so a waste of time
34 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:31 AM
Wes it’s not defence it’s midfield how many times!!!
35 keeganjr // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:31 AM
This is BS.. MOVE ON, NEXT!!! Quality players now and we need them before the 12th og january.. BECAUSE WE NEED POINTS ON THE BOARD… I DO NOT WANT WANKERSHIP,OK ASHLEY… BLURP BLURP
36 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM
As much as it pains me to say this lads……
Would loved to have had ol’ steak face Harry here, now there is a proper manager, who would have this team fighting for a top four spot, ok ok top six then
37 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM
@WesJameson
Saylor will make a difference cause Saylor bloody cares about the club.
38 bambams // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:34 AM
SSN just stated from reports in the Independant we have offered complete set of new strips with tracksuits (Sports Direct logo’s) to Marseille for Loic Remy….. (£10 million)
39 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:34 AM
@ yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:31 AM
ahhh come on mate, Colo is a shadow of the player he was last season, and Williamson is and always has been a donkey
I agree, the lack of the real Tiote has cost us as well, but the defense is majorly to blame
40 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:35 AM
Today is the day I am starting to dislike Pardew…
Cisse must step up? How you twat whlst playing on LW.
Delivery into the box has been poor. No creativity. Cisse is a poacher and finisher not a chance creator. I would leave that for HBA Cabaye and Marveaux.
Comment on Cisse is insane and totally out of order he binned him practically when BA was playing. What a bafoon
41 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:37 AM
Don’t even get me started on Danny ” i can only play for 65 minutes, and not even that well” Simpson
Krul reminds me of Given, both fantastic shot stoppers, but both shocking at kicking a football, both lack the Authority and command of their areas, to truly be considered great keepers
42 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:37 AM
I don’t think complacency is don’t to lack of competition (the defense is the same as last season, with the addition of Anita and Saylor is not out the whole season this time around).
…of course we need competition and we should have signed another CB last season,but for me this reeks of arrogance!
…arrogance from the manager, arrogance from the players and arrogance from the board (owner)!
Even with options at disposal Pardew have made more or less no changes to his side in the PL (injuries has forced his hands), but his performances dropping and us not getting results, he seems reluctant to drop players and and chance tactics and formation..
He has done it lately which gives me some confidence in him (the players failed last night as much as Pardew failed to change the game). This is where he for me is clearly lacking.
43 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM
AP hasn’t said “Cisse must step up”.
He says he hopes he can get him back to the heights of last seasons second half.
Do read the article and watch the interviews before you make statements on articles.
It’s not based in reality.
44 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM
Wes
It’s not colo he is under constant pressure he has no outlet and the ball comes back at him with no control
I do accept he looks worse but,sometimes we need to search for the cause not the symptom
Holding midfield is the issue
45 keeganjr // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:39 AM
HUH?? WHERE DID MY POST GO ED???
46 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:39 AM
toon prodigy – I hope with the return of Benny and Cabs and with several re-enforcements that the quality should prevail. Luckily we are at the start of the window and there has been movement already -good sign. Ashley/Dastardly and Percy Parsnip can have no excuses in this window not to get things sorted out. Potential players will have been identified.There is plenty of time. Also the cash should be available all it needs is the nod from Ashley – extra spend recouped from future revenues.
47 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:40 AM
Beattie.
We will get injurys, but hopefully by the end of this window we will have adequate cover. We certaintly can’t keep recieving the luck we have had so far. Its been unbelievable.
I really believe that we will have a striker in (hopefully Remy) do we need two now though? and also a 1st team centre back (no idea who) just an upgrade on williamson and ill be happy with that.
I’v got faith in the overall quality in this squad with new additions. We need them back quickly as possible and we will move up the league, i dont doubt that. We just have too much quality in the squad to be worrying and panicking right now. Once we ride this out and get players back we will be fine
48 WesJameson // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:40 AM
@ Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM
Fair enough mate, i can agree with that
This is why, i am all for bringing back Carrol, mark my words, he will be a reborn player back in the black and white, plus we need him for set pieces, and picking up fouls, much like Everton, love their style of play at times, they have so many options to change their play if struggling with one or the other, we need that flexibility as well
49 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:41 AM
Like i Said few posts back we need to quality and I mean quality CBs to save this season we dont step that up we can sign 10 Remys wont do us any good…I dont rate Remy at all to be honest….seen quite a lot of him at Marseille, good header of the ball but not great at everything else would have preferred us to get Ayew possibly or a small fast CF something along the lines of Shearer
50 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:41 AM
Jesper
Anitas not a defender
And i dont understand how arrogance from the manager makes the defence out of form hes had to DCM’s to babysit them ffs!
51 Rock // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:41 AM
wouldnt be very keen on maiga. my observations say that african strikers coming in to newcastle from west ham after a brief stay tend to be soldiers of fortune.
We seriously need a brit player emerge who lead from the front and show his team mates how it feels to represent a city…dressing room influence. Even wengers french legion had tony adams’ towering presence..
52 Dannyo // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:42 AM
@WesJameson
Bringing back Carroll is more or less bringing back hoofball then is what u’re saying.
Cause that’s the only thing he’s good at. Headers.
He couldn’t do a dribble if his life depended on it.
No, no Carroll please.
53 dmac // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:43 AM
Charlie Austin and Or Gary Hooper and 2 defenders!
54 Indian Magpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:43 AM
I know debuchy is a great player and a long term target.
But does any 1 know why have we been hung up on him for so long and have not tried for any1, basically putting team in jeopardy.
55 achtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:44 AM
Ba is haggling over 5 Grand at Chelsea. theyve offered 85 and he wants 90. Apprently he is sacking his agents for not getting what he wanted (according to Talksport) so he’s not greedy then.
56 achtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Wes, bit hard on Simpson since he broke his toe
57 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:46 AM
achtoon….
Jesus what is with that guy if that is true that is sick stuff….
58 bambams // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Morning Indian,
Been told Ash has plans for new range of clothing and needed ‘male models’ to showcase but would not pay the fee’s.
He decided to kill two birds with one stone and bring in ‘dreamboat 2′ with a clause inserted in his contract that he must parade around in SD clothing, ALL the other RB targets were ‘Beardsley look-a-likes’……
59 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Mister tuff. Your right..
There is no more room for excuses. Its either get this all sorted in this window or they get found out upstairs. I deeply hope as they have said, learnt their lessons from the summer. Its torture to watch from the outside seeing them take such gambles like that.
Ridiculous.
60 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:51 AM
Anybody who thinks the only thing Carrol can do is head the ball does not watch football properly and probably thought he was god’s gift when he played for us, stop being so fickle
61 achtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:53 AM
According to Talksport so several pinches of salt may be required It could be he just doesn’t want to go LOL.
62 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:57 AM
Ba is haggling over 5 grand, we will never really know if he has or not as this is jsut gossip but even if he has, who cares?! nearly every other top flight footballer/agent probably has with every contract they have signed.
Just move on, he owes nothing to this club, he’s not from here, he doesn’t support us, he’s just moved to a bigger club and more money, 99% of today’s footballers would do the same, if you can’t live with that then you can’t live with modern football and the way it’s gone.
63 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:57 AM
indian -@56 – I suspect after Debuchy went public in the summer – that he was told on the QT that we would be back for him.
The club was placed in jeopardy not by the desire to sign Debuchy but by the collective ineptitude of the top three at the club who thought they could get away with the “great summer no buy gamble”.
Whilst they may be fools football wise -they are not fools business wise – I suspect they will not make the same mistakes again and this window will be “satisfyingly productive”.
64 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 10:59 AM
Fray
Your right since he’s left us he’s shown he can’t even do that
65 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:03 AM
The really annoying thing for me, is how time and time again these people upstairs have to watch the club go through dire straits before they will accept they made a mistake. They don’t seem to listen to the footballing people at the club or anyone else for that matter. they learn as they go. Huge gambles time and time again before they stop and say, “ok we messed up here”. Makes us look a total joke. Frustrating!
66 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:07 AM
‘@tads
Like he just lost all his ability overnight, there are obviously other factors involved
By the way im not saying i particularly i want him back, but it wouln’t be the end of the world if he did
67 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:11 AM
If he was haggling would he really be doing a medical? SKY showed him arriving for that so the money must be sorted.
68 bambams // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:12 AM
Few bloggers would be happy for andy Carroll to return, take it from me the lad is trouble and re-introducing him back to ‘Party Newcastle’ would be the worst thing ever.
I remember years ago speaking with one of the scouts for the toon that the players had nick-named him duncan Ferguson and that was even before he got into the first team squad.
Only other hope is he has found God whilst in Liverfool/West Ham and no longer has the vices he once had!
69 DanRo // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:12 AM
Firstly, I am not in full agreement with the club’s policies. However, financially speaking we’re in a much better position than when Ashley took over. The club is trying to promote more stability by giving a manager a long-term contract and not sacking him when results go bad (for those calling for Pardew’s sacking: A. Exercise in futility. B. Changing your manager regularly doesn’t work unless you’re Chelsea). We have to reserve judgement on the team and signings until the end of the season, remain positive, support the team and hopefully progress in the summer.
70 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:13 AM
Fray i dont think he just lost his ability but i certainly dont want us to act as a confidence booster for him
I think to lose a 20 goal cf and replace him with a 6-7 goal cf on doubke wages would be ridiculous
71 one Tony Green // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:17 AM
@Fray two great posts mate and spot on about Andy Carroll he could do a great job for us..
72 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM
how do you know he would only score 6/7 goals, he scored alot more when he played for us
BUT like i said i don’t particularly want him back, i just don’t undertsand the ficklness of some fans
73 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM
Personally I would have Andy back, but only on sensible money. Firstly, we might just start winning headers and scoring from set pieces, and if he did play with Cisse I think they would suit each other.
Being honest though, he won’t be coming back as he is too expensive.
74 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM
toon -prodigy I posted a few days ago the historic quote from KK – went along the lines of the chairman knows nothing about football and the managing director knows even less. Percy Parsnip is the football man at the club who they rely upon to guide them in respect of football matters. Others have posted on here certain qualities and success’ of the manager. I have followed and studied his career and the bottom line is there is no way in hell that he has the qualities to manage never mind progress the Toon. But those who appointed did not known what they were doing. So we are stuck with him.
75 WWYCD // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:19 AM
I want Carroll back just so we can stop talking about Carroll coming back. Don’t want this lad can’t get into West Hams side won’t impact ours imo
Need signings soon though am fed up with watching us lose, look sh*te then cry afterwards really need so players with fight and some voice severe lack of communication at the minute and I blame Colo unfortunately
76 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:19 AM
I read yesterday that this guy is joining Marseille until the end of the season.
77 achtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:20 AM
Fray in my Mind Ba has gone now so good luck to him. I just find it funney that he is haggling over 85 to 90 grand when we was only on 15g at NUFC (again according to talk sport). Why would you do that? as for Carrol, no thanks, at all.
78 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:21 AM
Fray
I dont im going on a career average mate
Plus the lad seems injury prone and i think for the money he’d cost there are mich better cf’s about
79 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:23 AM
Caroll is injured too dick head
80 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:25 AM
@tads
Totally agree, for the price he will cost we can get better, but he’s still a good player, thats all im sayin, like ive said 2 times i don’t really want him back, the only way i would is if we were getting him cheaply
@achtoon
Do you believe everything you here in the papers and on the radio? and if it is true, why would he haggle over 5 grand? easy answer, because its more money
81 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:26 AM
How could he be in the west ham team if he i injured
!!!
82 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM
Fray, I totally agree. He is far from a poor player. And the dick head comment above is a joke. Grow up you clown.
83 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM
Also it’s only 5grand
That’s a cool 250grand over a four year deal
That’s worth a haggle
84 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:30 AM
I wouldn’t take him back either.
He’s turned into Kevin Davies. Scores about one goal every ten games.
85 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM
@Yorkymag
Exactly and if he’s sending alot of money to family back in afica like alot of african players do then that will make alot of difference
86 spitfire_ // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:33 AM
just now on ssn… ba agree terms
87 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM
Mister tuff.
I have to reserve judgement on him. Im totally for that the board is to blame for the downward spiral. The morale has gone, everything that we built last season has disappeared. And i firmly believe this is because we didnt reinforce in the summer. The players started the season looking dejected.
Pards guided us to fifth last season and I witnessed a great togetherness and determination where we grounded out victorys. I hadnt seen that for a long time. Somebody had to make that.
I still say though, once we get are full 1st team back out there, then he can apply it back and get us going like we should be. Lack of signings from the board and a horrendous run of injurys resulting in no rhythm in our side is what im putting it down to. Only time will tell if thats the case. Im expecting a big push up the league, starting in the next 4-6 wks. Time will tell
88 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:35 AM
5k a week over 4 years is a cool million. After tax it’s an extra 500k in his pocket.
89 breno95 // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:36 AM
As previously posted on here a true display of the owners commitment will be to secure the transfers of the players scouted / targeted in the summer. One deal for Debuchy has been done leaving deals for Douglas and Pieters to follow.
Pieters to replace Santon as the lads head and confidence is shot. His failure to play Cisse in to equalise last night highlighted inexperience rather than a ‘greedy’ player like some have said. Pieters would fit right in and allow Santon time to get it together. Douglas will add that extra steel and strength needed. The other must addition is Sissoko from Toulouse for the same reasons I gave re Santon. The lack of competition coupled with the poor form of key players is the root cause of the issues now faced.
If reports in the Independent are true a 10million bid should see us get Remy as well which will improve us as it provides better options. If they could all come it will provide a boost to confidence and if AP plays them correctly plus the injuries clearing up we should have enough quality available to remain in EPL.
Team at end of the month for me would be:-
Krul
Debuchy, Douglas, Colo, Pieters
Bigi, Sissoko
Cabaye, Anita
HBA
Cisse
Bench:-
Elliott
Saylor
Tiote
Marveaux
Remy
Santon
Strong starting 11 with strength in depth and before some start shouting about the players I have benched and they would not stay then I disagree as NUFC is a club big enough to keep these players where they can succeed.
I am going to use Ba as my example. His move to Chelsea will go through today but IMO he will not play regular football at Chelsea and it will be a short lived employment because they will strengthen again in the summer for sure with a bigger, more expensive forward.
90 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:38 AM
If we were to sign two strikers in this window. I’d like to see Danny Graham being the second one.
Cheap so we should be all over it lol
91 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:39 AM
TADS…that was not what I meant
something usual triggers a run of bad form and for me there has been alot of arrogance this season – maybe we thought we were better than we are taking our good run last season into consideration. Maybe both Pardew and the owner thought we were better equip than we in reality were; maybe our defense thought they were alot better than they are.
…like the say arrogance is confidence’s evil twin!
Anita is an option in defense – he can play LB and RB so Pardew has had options all season on both fullbacks.
92 thai-mag // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:39 AM
whats all the debate about carroll for, you cant play for more than 2 clubs in a season, so you are talking about next season before he can play, it will to to late then if we go down
93 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:40 AM
Spitfire
You seem suprised!
94 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:40 AM
Sir
My apologies
I worked it out per month
What a dick head!
95 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:40 AM
http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/virals/130103/picture-chelsea-release-special-demba-ba-replica-shirt-188477?
Want a laugh? Read the last line of this article!! Creased!!!
96 yorkymag // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM
Sir
My apologies
I worked it out per month
What a d….
97 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Belfast, I like Danny Graham too!
As a back up striker he would be great and as you say quite cheap. Plus he is black and white through and through.
98 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:44 AM
TADS…I didn’t read your last part, but I think one of the issues this season has been Tiote.
…he is suppose to safeguard the defense and for me he has failed in doing so. For me he has been worse than both Willo and Simmo and we have been exposed at the back because we like our fullbacks to go forward (I like that as well, but you need an anchorman in front of the defense then)
It is only my opinion; you might see it differently
99 Lee Dodd // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:45 AM
Debouchy Deal Sorted Now for a Striker . Remy ??? WOuld Be Nice . Carroll On Loan Last Day Of Jan If Fit . Maiga on Loan Only Until The Summer. Shola Back On The Bench Your Only an Impact Sub Sorry Shola. Now Demba Ba You Money Grabbing Lying Git I Hope You Regret What You Have Just Done . You were Loved By The Fans & Crapped all Over us We Resureced Your Career and You Go Half Term. Cheers Demba !!!!!! Alan Pardew get a Grip Why Play Shola Up Front and Cisse on The Right Thats Just Stupid. Why Take Obertan of and Put Bigi on ??? Now To Nile Ranger. Last Season he would Never have got on The Training Ground This season He is in The Squad Are we so Desperate ??? Were is Xisco ?? Ok Rant Over All Critisisum apperciated in this direction !!!
100 wadds79 // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:45 AM
Hi gents,
This is my first post, been visiting site for ages and never engaged in posting but performances have finally forced my hand………..i need to vent badly !
There is 1 thing and 1 thing only that will save our season the AFCON !! People slag of Williamson & Simpson but the player who is costing us a goal a game is Tiote, he’s become an absolute liability.
As far as i can see he is offering nothing productive to the team, but as far the opposition are concerned he’s there star performer every game.
1: He is offering no defensive cover whatsoever, constantly gets pulled out of position leaving a big gap for opposition to run into.
2: When he is in position he isn’t tracking runs, watch the Fulham game the amount of times people run of him is scary.
3: he gets caught on the ball as the deep lying midfielder at least twice a game giving the opposition a free run at our (i use this word lightly) defense.
4: Gives the ball away with sloppy passing, often just plays the ball without even looking into an area he is hoping that someone will be.
5: When he does bother to track back he just jogs !!, in his first season he was sprinting and busting a gut to get back.
6: Free kicks, Ahhhhhhhhh, how many time does he give away free kicks in our half??? at least 5 times a game, and considering we can’t defend set pieces this is a nightmare combination. In our last 3 televised games he gave the free kick away for Fulhams winner, the free kick for Arsenals 4th and decisive goal and the free kick for Baines goal last night.
7: Offers nothing going forward
Rant over
101 croftus5678 // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:47 AM
i think some are over reacting to maiga as he’s a decent player and obviously carr has seen good in him and how many has he got wrong so far ?
the thing is we have seen time and time again players coming in to no effect e.g. collo / santon / marv ect ect and it takes time to learn the prem for some players as it may be the case on maiga.
any other signing we get may be the same even remy.
102 spitfire_ // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:47 AM
toonarmydownsouth
I’m not surprised… I’m just said coz there was some silly talks about some 5k per week haggle.
103 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:48 AM
I am not sure Swansea wants to sell Danny Graham
…and I am not sure he wants to come here and sit on the bench
104 Batfastard // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:49 AM
Bruno 95 To get them five players in would cost the best part of 30 million quid not going to spend that much more like 15 million
105 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:52 AM
I wish Ba health and happiness at Chelsea…but also a run of pure form
(sorry but he plays against us now – there is no room for sentiment lol)
106 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:55 AM
Maybe maiga has an attidude problem, he certaintly jumped up and disrespected his club in wanting to join us.
Something has to be wrong if he is wanted away after 6 months. I say no dealio. What about a nippy striker? Thats if where gona play 442. If where gona be playing a 433 i think remy is the man that can. He can shift like
107 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM
*pure = pour
108 Blaydon-Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:57 AM
Jesper you mean poor
109 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:57 AM
Danny Graham would jump at the chance.
He’s a Geordie & lifelong fan.
110 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:58 AM
http://translate.google.dk/translate?hl=da&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsporten.tv2.dk%2F2013-01-03-swansea-reporter-store-klubber-ude-efter-laudrup%3Fforside
111 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:58 AM
Have to say gutted to see ba go think chelski have landed a bargain
112 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 11:59 AM
Blaydon…I sure did
lol
…I had just been talking danish on the phone, so my mind was thinking danish…happens sometimes
113 Blaydon-Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:00 PM
Pour is when you empty a drink into a glass
114 sirtoongospel // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:00 PM
From a spiteful point if view it would be nice if Ba doesn’t score again this season!!! And Cisse scores 20!!
115 Blaydon-Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:01 PM
Jesper I’m not trying to be condescending ! Have said before you do a great job and we all know what you mean
116 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:02 PM
I know
and pure means something that is not mixed…
…sometimes I also mix up those and does
117 Krul to be Kind // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:03 PM
In fairness I don’t think maiga has started many games for west ham, he looks mobile and quick enough to play across a front line with decent technique, I think he’ll be an ok signing, he’s no Ba but decent all the same, Cisse could be Ba’s direct replacement up top per say, he’s now irreplaceable, we don’t need out and strikers in as a priority but we do need a mobile and versatile forward player that can play as a second striker but step up to plate if anything happens cisse
Wht do you think guys?
118 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM
Krul…personally I am not a fan of Maiga so I would probably stay clear; that said I have no idea who we are looking at and who we can get taking out situation into consideration
…Gameiro – would he be an option; maybe on loan with the option to buy?
119 Krul to be Kind // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM
Hey Jesper,
Good to see you back regularly (I haven’t seen your name much), any population booms expected in 2013 after Denmarks national sex night in 2012? Haha
120 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:06 PM
*out = our
121 achtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Fray, i believe nothing in the papers or the radio, i hinted at that in my comment. and when you are going from a deal worth £780k per year to £4.8m a year why argue over 260k. anyhow the deal is done. good look to him. Cisse up front from now on Mr Pardew
122 Super Magpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Repost:
We deserved to get beat tonight. Everton came here with a gameplan and knew what they were doing. We looked clueless, out of ideas and so dejected. And don’t say it was Atkinsons fault. As much of c**t he is, Everton were the better side tonight. They were so much more organised and disciplined in their play.
Moyes get the better of Pardew tonight. Fellaini totally bossed Colo, Baines and Pienaar dominated the left hand side. They totally bossed the midfield and stopped us playing for alot of the game. The only way we could get through them was by going wide or getting lucky ( our goal).
We ran out of ideas and Everton looked comfortable once the 2nd goal went in. We missed a couple of chances, Cisse and Shola were unlucky and Santon should’ve squared it to Cisse instead of firing straight at Howard. But they also could’ve had a couple more had they been more clinical in the final third.
Positives go to Obertan, Cisse and Shola. But I still think Cisse should’ve started through the middle instead of out wide again.
Negatives go to our whole defence and who were shocking once again and tonight further showed why we desperately need defenders. Perch should never play RB again. He was ripped to shreds tonight. Williamson was Williamson and nearly scored what would’ve been a comical own goal. Colo was poor again and Santon now seems to have lost alot of confidence after his good form earlier in the season.
On the whole, we are in trouble and it will be hard to get out of it. Once you are down there it’s difficult to escape. Pardew is running out of time with alot of fans now. I still think he should be given more time but 9 defeats in 11 is unacceptable for us. Our next 4 games are all winable although 3 are away but if we continue this form going into these games then Pardew has to be seriously questioned.
123 bazrazmataz // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:09 PM
Just saw on journal website no moves for a striker will be started till after weekend game. Can’t understand this madness we need bodies in ASAP its worrying that it’s also very quiet on the center back front rumor wise we should be moving fast getting all our deals done asap
124 Krul to be Kind // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:09 PM
Jesper
I can’t see gamiero going anywhere, 5under1and are chasing hoarau at PSG who is seriously out of favour, gameiro makes every squad and is the only alternative they have to Ibra, can’t see gameiro going anywhere much to my disappointment
125 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:10 PM
toon -prodigy -just been watching Percy Parsnips interview on Sky. Very determined stance and saying we need extra players in, during this window. He immediately throws down the gauntlet for Dastardly and Charnley to buy who is on the want list – so now there is 100% responsiblilty on them (not him) to get the re-enforcements in. We are right at the start of the window – if they do not get this window right the fans will be unforgiving. Excellent start so far though.
126 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:10 PM
Belfast…for you mate
http://translate.google.dk/translate?hl=da&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bold.dk%2Fnyt%2FSky-PrL-bud-paa-Swansea-spids
127 Krul to be Kind // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:11 PM
I think Ba will really blossom at Chelsea unfortunately, a late replacement for Drogba and in the same mould!
128 Jay K // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Morning lads
David Craig and his camera man in training ground there is a press conference this afternoon.
129 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM
Krul…didn’t know that.
…I wondered ’cause I remember reading somewhere that Spurs might be interested. I don’t know what our options are.
I would welcome Remy, but only if we are playing 4-3-3. Someone mentioned earlier that Remy in many ways resemble Ba (the difference is he can and will play wide) and Ba and Cisse side by side was no good.
130 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:15 PM
For everybody calling Ba a greedy so and so and wishing his knee to implode,has anybody given thought to the idea that he just might,might have considered our improved offer if we were in and around fourth place after showing some serious intent last summer.
131 Black and White with an army lol // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM
well ba is gone so i’ll expect 2 players to come in as Pardew stated many times
132 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Mister tuff.
Thats good to hear! I felt sorry for Pards in the summer. He screamed for players then ended up having to big the youngings up saying we have decided to put faith in them. You could tell he didnt want to do that but what choice did he have? Must be murder working for such people and the buck stops with him at the end of the day. Good on him.
Lets hope it pays off! I feel im being greedy wanting two strikers in now because Ba has left, I think those two upstairs are affecting my judgement now. Of course we need two! Will we get them though? Hmm. Im gonna get some sleep, nightshift to do tnite. Catch yas later on tnite!
133 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Krul…with the current economy we are keeping our pans up
lol
…it’s nice to be back – I posted a little bit just before New Year and have been back ever since (just got fed up with certain things and needed a break)
134 Krul to be Kind // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:22 PM
Jesper
Bang on about remy but he is also very very pacy and has no attitude problems seems very professional and has not got an entourage of agents all in all an upgrade on Ba IMO, just hope we can get him, he is my preferred signing along with aubeymang
135 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:26 PM
I think Benitez will play Ba & Torres together.
Even if he doesn’t, they’ll be rotated. I certainly dont think Ba will be spending as much time on the bench as people suggest.
136 sula // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:26 PM
I would welcome alot of players right now. This football club deserves so much more then this we have the best fan base in the world home and away. We just need a chairman with a love for the club and a better understanding of the game. @ Super magpie you said we ran out of ideas i say we ran out of ideas games ago. Can anyone answer my question why is it that WE the fans can see all the problems yet Pardew makes like he just started coaching today? WE can can see cisse has to be played in the centre yet pardew sticks him out to the right where he is awful. Is it really that hard to get things right? even with the injuries we have a decent squad. They have to be watching the games again to see their mistakes. Why does pardew insist on hoofing this ball everytime he has the talent there to pass the ball around we have all seen it even if it be small amounts we know it can be done.
137 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:31 PM
I’m still recovering from last night, but getting there. Getting tired of the excuses from Pardew. We consistently have enough talent on the pitch to do far better than a relegation fight. Players such as Anita Cabaye aand Cisse and Marv must be wondering what the hell the manager said to them, versus the tactical hell that he is helping to produce! Duped by the london geezer who walked into NUFC uncontested. The use of Cisse and substitutions were amazing last night!! All I need now is to hear him say ” we wasnt a fret” or something, and i’m going to my GP.
138 Ian Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM
Mister Tuff- in your tradition I must take you to task! Why include our manager Mr Alan Scott Pardew in your condemnation. Mr Pardew was seeking the additional 3 players last May that it would seem Ashley is now prepared to purchase. He is behind the curve ball because of restrictions subsequently placed upon him. He was speaking openly about the defensive reinforcements required pre season but was let down. His options were few, either to make the best of it or resign. Rest assured the cavalry are on their way. Sleep easy in your bed. I wasn’t planning a trip to Brighton this season but I might just take in Debuchy’s debut. In time of adversity you find out
a lot about people generally but fans and players specifically. I am glad my future is not dependent upon some of the lilly livered clueless posters on here. Whatever happened to your generations ” when the going gets tough the Mr Tuff gets going”. Naturally I am not thinking of you when I make the observation.
139 Ian Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:39 PM
Munster Mag- Get a grip. Happy New Year. So he’s a cockney and they did not teach speech training at his school. Once. The midfield is back and the defensive reinforcements are on board we will be fine.
Trust me – We will not be relegated. Just relax and think of happier times ahead.
140 pawl250 // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM
Well I was right again!
Cisse on the right! Ameobi central. I only made one error, not knowing he was fully fit I had Bigi in for Anita.
Now to me the whole Cisse out wide is ridiculous, then Pardew calls on him to score goals in place of Ba. It infuriates me!!
Here is my prediction since I have been right almost everytime this season, I could be wrong but here it is!
We will finish with 42 points. I said at the start of the season 49, we currently have 7 points less than what I stated. Points lost were Villa @ home, West Ham @ home, Swansea @ home. This is 9 points but I had us down to draw Spurs @ home and we won, therefore 7 points out.
I have been pretty close calling results.
Transfer window predictions, Debuchy and ? (Striker, NOT Remy, Maiga). I still think this will be a huge mistake as I feel central defence is woeful.
I said this at the start, Ill say it again. We have an awful defence, losing Ba was inevitable with the MAJORITY of you saying he should be benched, I feel his love for the fans decreased recently. You see this is the problem you all put players that score on a pedestal, forget about those than contribute more sometimes.
Personally for me a good team will always have a strong, solid defence. You don’t concede you can draw the game am come out with 1 point minimum.
You score 3 goals and concede 4 or more you don’t get any points.
People slating Krul need to understand how bad our defence is. Perch is below average, his versatility is handy. Williamson should be sold tomorrow. Simpson sold tomorrow.
I would personally prefer Debuchy, Central Defender, Striker.
I would then look to replace Williamson in the summer, and would buy another wing back for the left regardless of that. Santon is a prospect, but he has no replacement and is currently playing wrong footed.
PRIORITY, STRIKER or ATTACKING WINGER, CENTRAL DEFENDER and DEBUCHY!
———————— Krul ———————–
Debuchy — STaylor — Colocinni – Santon
———– Anita — Cabaye — Tiote ———-
Arfa ——————————— Marveaux
———————- Cisse ———————–
Current strongest team should Debuchy pass reported medical. Feel as though Mareveaux and STaylor are not strong enough, unproven, or in STaylors case for sure injury prone.
141 Ian Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM
sula – we have the best fan base!!!!!!!!!
142 peasngravy // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM
Any idea what happened to ptbageordie?
143 breno95 // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:43 PM
Batfastard
Where and how do you calculate that it will cost 30 million to bring in those I named?
Debuchy in for 5million
Douglas – out of contract in June therefore 3 million max
Sissoko – exact same position as Douglas so low fees for both now or there current clubs get nowt at end of season.
Pieters – granted he is under contract until June 2014 but he is valued at 4million max now.
Remy – 10 million if bid.
Therefore total cost totals 15million for the 3 defenders and Sissoko. The Remy deal would be the show of commitment taking window total to 25 million gross. Offset the Ba deal and you have a NET spend of 20 million but have 5 new players with the loss of one.
144 Ian Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:44 PM
sula- Anyone can be a fair weather fan. It’s when everything is not hunky sorry that you find out who the rea fans are. A fan is someone who gives unconditional support. Irrespective of whom the Owner and manager is, you support the team. It’s in your blood.
145 sula // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:46 PM
@ Ian
yes we do lets just hope we can get clear of this relegation zone with the next couple of games. Cause i cant afford any more grey hairs now lol.
146 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Ian, with all due respect, and happy new year, I’d rather that you had higher ambitions than not being relegated. I’d also be interested in your thoughts about his poor performance than you suggestions that I relax. Specifically you might think about team set up, poor set pieces, excuses etc. I’ve supported Pards until now but if you want to think happily, can u imagine what the Swansea boss could do with our better players like Cabhaye, Marv, Anita etc ??
147 pawl250 // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:48 PM
Breno 95 -
If we bought Debuchy, Douglas, Sissoko, Pieters and Remy.
I would try and sell the following :-
Simpson 1-2m
Williamson 1-2m
Gosling 1-2m
Ranger 500k – 1m
Xisco – 500k (unlikely)
Arguments sake we say lowest I quoted thats an extra 5m, therefore net spend 15m, which basically means you have a stronger squad, same size.
I had high hopes for Gosling, he started well for Everton but his injuries are constant and he has lose any pace he did have, if he ever had any.
He is so slow I would wager Shola could win him for pace. Hes a good back up, but he is never fit to be a back up so I would sell him.
148 peasngravy // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM
We need a pacey CB ASAP with leadership qualitys, Yanga M’Biwa young, quick, leader French
149 TimKrulFan // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM
People saying Krul needs to benched are crazy he was the main reason we got 5th last season nothing he could do with bains goal.Please name a better GK in the prem and if you say joe hart he has been far worse.
150 pawl250 // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM
BUT we all know that wont happen, we will get 2 maybe 3 players if we are lucky or sell someone else in this window.
Striker or Attacking Winger, Debuchy and hopefully Central Defender.
Mbiwa would be my hope. Hell I would take sell Simpson, bring in Mbiwa, Douglas and Debuchy no striker.
Lone striker we have Cisse, Amoebi, Ranger, Campbell and Xisco if needed. We only need 1!! Therefore I feel its more important to strengthen weakest area, being central defence.
151 spennymoor-mag // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Breno
Well said mate would b great to get these players in this week! The only doubt I have is Douglas,from what I’ve seen of him he could b the nxt bramble,makes silly errors sometimes! I wonder why we don’t consider joleon lescott?? Proven premier league defender! I think he could possibly be the answer like! I read ppl saying sakho,m’bwai but to be honest I don’t think they would come to us. Lescott probably would like to pull on the black and whit shirt! What u think ppl??
152 Ian Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Munster- I appreciate your respect. Normally that’s a license to be anything but! I have much higher ambitions given time and a fair wind. Moyes was nearly sacked in 2004 when Everon finished I believe 17th. Everton were a yo yo PL team for many years. Small squad with injuries and no real depth. Sound familiar . Pardew was let down and we await with bated breath how Ashley will get reinforcements. The priority is too move away from the nether regions. The set pieces have improved in execution but not execution.
The weaknesses in the side hopefully will be removed come end of window and returning top draw midfield. Trust me- have a good one.
153 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Ian…I think most of us fans would agree that we were a bit naive in the summer – we should have signed that CB we have been lacking for two seasons now; I don’t know why we didn’t.
I often wonder if we had to sell last summer in order to buy, knowing the money we got from Best and Forster more or less made up for what we spend on Anita. And if so, why didn’t we buy a CB instead of Anita, since that clearly was a priority.
It is very difficult to figure out what really happened in the summer and what Pardew was told. If he only had a certain amount to spend then I guess it is up to him to spend it wisely – he did get to keep the core of the team which I remember from interviews was a priority for him.
He had to do with what he had, but he did have the option to sell I guess. And maybe he was promised another defensive addition but was cheated out. Who knows really?
I do remember Pardew saying different things in the summer about us needing new players and other times that we were okay – alot of contradicting messages. You can even find them here on Ed’s blog
I read a few of them back in at Chritmas when I took a leave of absence from here.
Even a search on the net will prove that. Take a look at this for example:
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/09/01/alan-pardew-happy-with-nufc-transfer-dealings-72703-31741432/
154 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM
Concern with Mbiwa is that he is too short I think? I may be wrong but we could do with some height beside Collo. There again, Pards will just whack the ball long at him at free kicks if the player is tall!
155 peasngravy // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM
I’m confident we can climb out of this mess if we get a couple of quality additions in like M’Biwa and Remy, get Cabs and Benny back and we’ll be on a roll. Viva Le Toon
156 sula // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM
@ IAN
Yes you are right it is in my blood. Where i have a problem is Pardew just didnt seem to want to change is game plan. We were at home last night needed a win so badly and yet thats the best we can come out with we speak about the fans come on with 52000 cheering you on you would expect the team to go out there every week and play their socks of can you really tell me they did that. Passing is terrible what does that have to do with injuries? substitutions were comical. Obertan looked like the best chance we had of getting a goal. So yes you support our team but if you havent noticed we sit 2 points of the relegation zone and we have lost 9 out of 11 games the alarm bells are ringing mate.
157 pawl250 // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Here is another couple of little topics I would like to discuss,
Obertan – Personally think he has had enough chances so either get rid or try something new. Personally he would be my second/third choice striker as I dont like Shola. I think his pace can be a massive positive, Bellamy like, and we all know Bellamy couldnt score when he started out, he used to either bottle it missing altogether or hit the keeper. Improving as his career went on. BUT his pace gave him the chances he gets, Obertan is a possibility for me as a striker. ALSO I think his defending duties dont help him, he always looks out of place like Bambi on ice.
Babel – free transfer, attacking winger, forward. Has pace, and had a massive career ahead of him. Missing out, on what could have been a very decent left attacking midfielder, backup forward for nothing.
158 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Mamadou Sakho and Remy would be my choice with Mohamed Sissoko and Toby Alderweireld both able to be signed on pre contract agreements. Those four would make a massive difference to our squad.
Dreaming I know but trying to cheer myself up
159 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Quote from Pardew:
“I can’t really complain that Everton have won here – I thought they were a good side.”
I think that says it all …………….
160 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:00 PM
Munster…sadly I think Everton were the better side last night
161 Ian Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM
sula- As I said earlier the team had been set up with Ba in the side.
Seemed a reasonable explanation. Cisse is going to play henceforth in his preferred position.
162 sula // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM
They were cause we made them look better simple as.
163 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:04 PM
http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/03/newcastle-open-talks-with-marseille-over-demba-ba-replacement-loic-remy-3336424/?
164 pawl250 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM
New defence has been long overdue. Colo is a one man defender in our team.
Santon, like Debuchy will always attack. I feel we need another strong addition in the centre. We cannot afford to be weak in that area, especially with our attacking mind.
Anita can be a deeplying playmaker, Cabaye pushing foward central and Tiote doesnt go beyond centre circle.
That way you always have players back, on the side and moving forward at the same time. Sort of like this in an attacking scenario
——————– Krul ——————-
————STaylor — Colo ————-
———————————————-
——————– Tiote ——————
___________________________ Half way line
Debuchy ——- Anita ——– Santon
———————————————–
Arfa ———– Cabaye —- Mareveaux
——————- Cisse ———————
165 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM
When you look at the fact we had Saylor, Cabaye, Benny, Simpson, Jonas and Ba missing last night over half of Pardews preferred starting 11 is it any wonder we lost against an Everton side that are flying this season???
166 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:07 PM
The tragedy is that M.A and D.L won’t even have heard of Laurent Blanc. Laurent Blanc would have the likes of Remy and Sakho join in a heartbeat.
20 points from 21 games = the sack in anyone’s book.
To the pro pardew group still in denial, we weren’t playing well with cabs and benny in the team and Tiote has been awful since he got back in.
Our cretinous manager plays Cabs deep in a 442, sticks benny out on a wing and even without ba, plays Cisse right wing and plays hoofball to Shola for 70 mins. Go figure !!
Mac says we aren’t real fans if we are not actually at the match – WTF!!! The other tragedy is that if people ie Pardew can’t see the problem, how will they ever have a solution?
Pardew with a lot of luck and repeated individual brilliance from 3 players enjoyed 1 good year, but he has a record that is no better than Roeder. We are not a big club becasue a big club would never have pardew.
167 sula // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:07 PM
@ Ian
I hope you right cause as far as i saw it cisse was played on the right and BA wasnt even there.
168 peasngravy // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:11 PM
Hopefully now Debuchy is here we can start playing more on the deck compared to Simmo lumping it, he’s gonna be good and a step in the right direction, now for a couple more CB with pace to compliment Colo and Remy or someone else of that ilk, quick and comfortable playing left of a front 3 with Cisse central and Benny right scaring the schite out of teams, we can turn things around and get on a run. There’s nowt like being Black and White
169 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:11 PM
Lee Ryder has said that After speaking to Pardew Cisse will be played through the middle from now on, Debuchy still complete his medical and wont play against Brighton but Sammy will start the game
170 Mo Drysdale // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:12 PM
Ed,
Please remove Ba of the header ASAP.
Cheers.
Check this out lads.
http://www.newsnow.net/A/618502062?-11058:809
171 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM
@pawl i may be wrong but weren’t you involved in an argument at the beginning of the season over that formation? can’t remember which side you took
172 Peter // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:14 PM
To the people wanting pardew out be careful what you wish for. Joe kinnear anyone
173 Krul to be Kind // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM
To give proud his dues he rated as much about rent at the start of the week, I really hope we get him, he is some pup!
174 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM
munster at 146
brilliant comment. laudrup is the polar opposite to pardew. Laudrup sets up to win every game, has no agendas and makes no excuses. swansea and norwich have in no way better squads than us even injury permitting.
Marv has waited all season to get a game.
175 Krul to be Kind // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM
Rated = stated
Rent = remy
176 wreker16 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM
Thanks for the goals demba, can’t blame u for leaving unlikely relegation candidates for one of the best teams in the world. I agree with JFA, if we were doing well, would he have signed? I think he might have at least considered it. We will never know….
Does this mean I can’t do his celebration on fifa?
177 peasngravy // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:20 PM
Has Ptbag not been on, he was apparently in the Directors box last night as a guest of Llambias
178 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:20 PM
@rotonda i think you need to calm down. cisse out right isn’t good but if that’s the tactics you’ve had you’re team on all week do you change just before the game? could have made things worse (or better). don’t agree with the “not a real fan if you’re not there” stuff.
and pardew is now bound to play cisse through the middle. he knows that’s right. he knew this time last year too. but our high goal scorer kinda forced his hand (would cisse be happier on the bench? no)
179 pawl250 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:21 PM
Pardew Perfect Battleplan -
I was against 4-2-3-1 formation yes, but that was when you have 2 major scorers. I said I would have preferred 1 but then you leave out another striker who either is unhappy, playing in a unfamiliar position therefore upsetting him in the process.
Ba on the bench was never an option, Cisse alone was never an option for me. I always wanted them both to play central. Both scoring 10+ goals in half a season would be my reason. It was ludicrous to think to leave one out, or to prove my point play them on wings therefore not score (Ba last season,m Cisse this season). Had we left Ba out he would have left as he has now but we would be bottom. But the argument stands had Cisse played he may have got just as many, or possibly more who knows!
Now Ba has gone I am now happy to play 4-3-3, or a fancy version if you prefer. My preferred team would be
———————— Krul ———————–
Debuchy — STaylor — Colocinni – Santon
———– Anita — Cabaye — Tiote ———-
Arfa ——————————— Marveaux
———————- Cisse ———————–
180 Krul to be Kind // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:22 PM
I think Carr should be sent to Belgium to scout, some very good players coming through there that can be bought for peanuts, just look at the quality coming through in their national team and all very young
Anyone agree?
181 Magpies-till-d3ath // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Newcastle have spent 18 months looking at Marseille forward Loïc Rémy, although they have not agreed a fee. Senior sources at St James’ Park have told The Daily Telegraph they are wary of being dragged into a bidding war for the France international.
“Loic Remy is one of the names on our list, but it’s a long list,” the source said. “There are other clubs interested so it’s not straightforward.”
182 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:22 PM
I think Pardew is the most defensive minded manager we have ever had. What sort of phillosophy is it to not get beat every game rather than to try and win ?. 3 draws only equates to one win anyway
183 ochytoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:23 PM
peasngravy
He said he wouldn’t be giving out anymore info because of the abuse he received. Funny considering his info was wrong.
184 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Ba was offered a contract in the summer and turned it down. He was always going to walk away it was only a question of when and not if. Chelsea where the first club to trigger the release clause and offer him more money but it could have been anyone.
He walked away from Hoffenheim for more money with West Ham, walked out on West Ham for Everton but came to us instead as we offered more money and now he’s walked out on us. Give it a year and he’ll walk again if more money is offered
185 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM
peter,
there was a time when that would have been worse than pardew. now I’m not sure lol !!!
186 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:27 PM
Of all the strikers we could buy I’m not sure Remy is the best. In fact, I don’t think he’s even the best at Marseille.
Both Gignac & Ayew start ahead of Remy. Gignac has scored 6 so far this season, Ayew 4.
In Remy’s 8 league appearances this season he has a grand total of 0 goals.
187 dead man walkin // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM
if pardew is a great motivator , why has he never won a game for us after going behind,,
could it be that he is just good at talking,,
i have to say, all i expect to come out of his mouth is excuses
you know its ok to own up and say i got it wrong, for any of us, and it takes a honest person to do so,, i never here him take the blame
could it be some players are sick of taking the blame?
188 pawl250 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM
I would personally not really be bothered if we dont go for Remy. His goal record is hardly setting the world on fire, and hes only been in the French league, a dramatic difference according to Cabaye.
If we actually have got a 10m to spend I would prefer to go for Douglas and Mbwia, both young upcoming defenders.
We only need 1 striker, we have a few average, below average as back up. I would prefer Debuchy, Douglas, Mbwia.
A strong defence, is a good offence. I feel we sort the leaking goals out the likes of Arfa, Cabaye, Cisse, Anita, Marveaux will do well scoring goals. We may even have a centre back who can be dangerous in a set piece for a change!!!
189 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Guest of Llambias in the directors box haha
And Ashley gave him a lift home in his helicopter no doubt.
190 2_goal_tino // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:29 PM
I’m so worried about this transfer window. If the Remy for 10 million story is right, how much does that leave for a CB, which is after all our first priority? I’d rather spend 8-10million on a strong and quick defender. From what i’ve seen of Remy he’s always been the type of player who flatters to deceive. Does one eye-catching thing every couple of games. I hope to god that I am wrong and he transforms us. But still would rather we were being ‘strongly’ linked with centre backs!
191 nufc786 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:29 PM
http://metro.co.uk/2013/01/03/newcastle-open-talks-with-marseille-over-demba-ba-replacement-loic-remy-3336424/?
192 peasngravy // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:30 PM
What was he wrong about Ba going to Chelsea?, he was always gonna go to the first team to pay him the money. Still enjoyed his posts and was hoping he would on with some crack about last night. Come back Ptbag and tell us all is well with the incomings
193 Novocastrian66 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:31 PM
Ian Toon. The last thing anyone can call any Newcastle fan is “Fair Weather.”
I’m 47 this year and I have been a season ticket holder most of my life, my support is no longer unconditional.
The lack of investment in the summer was a disgrace.
Everyone could see the defence required strengthening.
If you have a leaky roof you fix it or your house will collapse. You don’t leave it and hope it is sunny everday.
This is what Newcastle have effectively done.
Shola is now 1st or 2nd choice striker. He was 4th or 5th last season. He wasn’t good enough 7 year ago and he hasn’t made any cataclysmic improvement recently to deserve such an esteemed position in our squad.
If there is not any significant outlay in January around £15m – £20m net. I will not renew when my season ticket application lands on my doormat in February.
This is not any easy decision as NUFC has been a major part of my life, but I’m getting fed up with the same excuses and mediocrity.
If we had spent some money in the summer and the players failed or weren’t good enough I would probably renew as at least there was some effort.
I do not consider myself “Fair weather.” and I will not consider myself a supporter if I do not renew. I will consider myself a fan. There is a difference.
194 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:31 PM
In Remy’s 14 total appearances for Marseille this season, he has scored an eye-watering 1 goal.
195 BelfastMagpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:31 PM
Welcome back Catchy or Dead man walking I should say.
I new you would be back.
196 dead man walkin // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM
i will also say, some said last year he had a lucky season, and a lot of you pardew fans said you carnt be lucky all season,,
can the same be said about not being lucky,, he says its bad luck ,
hmmmm
197 Peter // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Rotonda
Aye true haha but I really wanna see if if stability is the answer so 2 more years of pardew then if we are relegated we can get back to sacking every manager that loses 5 games
198 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM
Funny that when we finish 5th it’s down to luck and the individual performances of two or three players and nothing to do with Pardew.
But when we are loosing Pardew is to blame for everything!!!
Hard ti find a balanced argument sometimes
199 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:36 PM
ppb
pardew has the record for west hams worst losing streak ever in their history. last night i think he equalled our worst record. it’s just we seem to be sleepwalking towards relegation with some people thinking it will all magically come good when stats and history suggest otherwise. if we’re too good, how are we so bad
200 nufc786 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Newcastle’s Mathieu Debuchy: Statistics & comparison with Danny Simpson
– Debuchy has made 15 appearances so far this season.
– He averages 2.1 interceptions per game.
– He makes, on average, 3.1 defensive clearances per appearance. Danny Simpson, has an average of 5.1.
– Both players are dribbled past 0.3 times per game, and they each block 0.1 shots in every fixture.
– Danny Simpson is dispossessed more infrequently (0.8/game) than Debuchy (1.3/game).
– Debuchy completes twice as many crosses per game (1.5 vs 0.7).
– Simpson has the higher pass completion rate (82.7% vs 77.2%).
– Statistically, Debuchy is far superior in the air, winning on average 3.9 aerial duels per game to Simpson’s 0.4.
– The Frenchman also completes marginally more tackles per game (2.2 vs 2.0).
201 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Sounds crazy, but I really think Gary Hooper would be a better gamble than Remy (probably cheaper too).
202 peasngravy // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:40 PM
What happened to Jimmy Magpie
203 pawl250 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Novo -
I agree with alot you said, I do not agree with the supporter, fan notion. I had a season ticket for 7 years – I am only 25 (just turned) and well I cant afford one or have somewhere to be on matchday i.e. work or commitments.
I will try and see a midweek game but I agree with what you say about lack of investment. I often question would my £20-30 make a difference. The answer is no.
I would rather spend £10-15 in my local, possibly saving someones job in the process, and in many case livelihood, we live in tough economical times and pubs no longer are a place for socializing anymore, it has dramatically changed since I was 17-18 to 25, so much so you can sometimes count on one hand the people inside.
Yet the match is FREE, the drinks are cheaper, and I still SUPPORT my team, my blood.
Why should I contribute £30, for as you said below average, no ambition. Why should I fill the pockets of those so rich they make in a week what I do in a year, some more! And what for, average, no ambition or heart?
I am a supporter, I just choose to support by another way then financing, well nothing or overpaid barbie dolls.
As for Pardew out, I feel this club needs stability, I will stick with him now review in the summer when the time is right! Not mid season when it could make things worse. He isnt a bad manager, albeit not the best but he has done well since being appointed. AND he has been unfortunate with injuries in the last month the entire starting 11 have not played in atleast 1 of the matches.
This is unfortunate but football none the less!
204 Indian Magpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:41 PM
peasngravy
RIP
Jimmy Magpie
205 Nufc-83 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM
Lol some of them stats on debuchy make it look a closer match than it . Most of simpson’s pass completion will be back to the GK – Debuchy will carry the ball and try and find passes forward and create attacks. also simpson throws in plenty of crosses per game but even if players get on the end of them what can you do with a high floated cross on the edge of the area. Debuchy will be whipping the ball in giving us something to attack.
206 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM
jb
it was LAST season. Pardew has never been a consistently good manager
pardew stumbled on 443 when raylor got injured and he was finally forced to give benny a game. if Pardew hadn’t bottled it and gone back to 442 for the last 4 games where we lost 3 we may have made CL.
Wherever pardew goes he has an initial flourish before being found out. the guy sets out not to lose, rather than win. Do yo really want that kind of manager?
207 Wor Shearer // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM
I think we should also have a look at Genoa’s 18 year old CB from Slovenia Luka Krajnc. That kid is going places!
208 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:44 PM
@rotonda a multitude of things can happen. everyone used to do this every year. relegation form then finish top half.
now ba will be gone players should be in the right positions our injured key players are back soon. then there will be no excuses. right now we ate reeling from bad losses. lets see how vocal people are if things pick up.
209 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:47 PM
you can always make stats suit anything.
Our defense probably comes under way more attack than Lilles.
it’s ironic how we are getting a better and better squad.
210 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:52 PM
Rotonda heights
So what we sack him???
Yeah great idea, where the hell does that leave us???
This seasons failings stem from the lack of investment from Ashley when he new we would have the extra burden of the Europa League and a very small squad.
Pardew isn’t perfect by any means but managers at that level don’t just ‘Stumble’ on a formation.
But instead of saying we had a great season and finished 5th you prefer to say that he cost us Champions League football.
No matter what he does many of you will never like or want the guy, which is fine but then the issue lies with Ashley and co for employing him and sticking with him, not the manager as he’s doing his job to the best of his abilities with what he has available.
And as for him setting us up not to loose rather than win are you serious???
211 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:52 PM
PPB
As I say it’s ironic how good a squad we have but just imagine what a manager like Laudrup with a winning and adventurous mentality could do.
I detect with pardew that he’s running out of ideas which lets face it, he didn’t have a whole lot to start with.
Yes he had 1 good season but how long is he going to dine out on that? This year he’s totally lost the plot with formations, tactics and subs.
If we do get remy, sakho and debuchy then not even pardew could f..k that up.
212 spennymoor-mag // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Pawl
Well said bro!! U spot on there like! I am 30 now and I had a season ticket for 9 seasons. And for work reasons and family commitments I hardly have a lot of spare cash these days. I still make the games when possible,but most times I stream it on the Internet and my pals come round and watch. Few tinnys of Stella and a bit banter with the lads. I class myself as a diehard nufc fan it’s in my blood all my family are nufc mad and most my pals. So good comment son!! Good on ye
213 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,
What’s happening then? Has Debuchy run off in to the sunset at seeing us lose to Everton?
Has Pardew been sentenced to death for losing to Man U, Arsenal and now Everton?
214 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM
Debuchy undergoing medical now
215 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM
JB
Tha’s the sickening hold ashley has over us.
50000 fans tolerate a truly mediocre manager for fear that no one decent would work for ashley. It’s a horribly vicious circle.
216 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Ian Toon -afternoon -following what appears to be a new tradition I must take you to task. I thought I saw you knocking about on the blog earlier but assumed you had subsequently gone “into hiding” as there seemed to be a lot of posters about querying Percy Parsnip. However, I was confident a well timed post would flush you out of hiding and “voila” (introducing French theme) here you are.
You correctly state Percy was making noises in May about new players. That being the case, and reminding you to check the method of player sourcing/selection in force. It can be assumed that GW had managed to formulate a list of suitable players -that would have been returned to Percy for agreement or otherwise of those on the list. It would appear Dastardly and Charnley were quick of the mark in the summer window ,1st July to 31st August ??, as they had been reported as having negotiations with Twente after flying out on or about 2nd July – deal did not progress after that date – so thats nearly the full window remaining to go to to target(s) number 2 on the list (in place of de Jong/Douglas)- the money had obviously been agreed by the board but we heard nothing further – did Percy use this time to remind them to buy – we just do not know – his silence on the matter suggests complicity. as you will be aware he has recently accepted joint “managerial responsiblity” for the lack of summer purchases. So in view of what he has said -I would suggest “How dare you contradict what your beloved Percy has said on the matter” you cannot have it both ways. A similar arguments exists re Debuchy I think initial reported contact was 13th July and Garcia killed the deal on 6th August -so there was another month nearly to chase someone else. However, there was more at stake here due to Debuchys’ friendship with Cabs and he was obviously given the nod and the wink we would be back for him (clearly designed so as not to alienate Cabs – and quite right too).
I think you will feel better if you repeat the following cathartic phrases – might be difficult at first -but keep practicing:
“Percy is not God and he has made some mistakes”
Reference our previous chat it was very nice for either your family, friend or a loved one to get you a footballing book as a Christmas present, very nice if I may say so. Its is obviously just not me that thinks you need to study and read about football a bit more. Well done to them.
Please stop saying “trust me” in your posts -your are even sounding like Percy now.
217 Londtoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Metro and independent say we are stepping up interest in Remy, with mention of a 10m valuation from us. At 6″2 with the skills on the ball he has, would do us wonders.
However.. I don’t agree with these Pardew out shouts as for the first 40mins last night I was happy with our play in midfield. My issue is with three players.. Williamson is not comfortable on the ball or has enough pace for this division and commits silly fouls nearly every game. Obertan has potential and is good at getting the ball in dangerous areas but needs to attack the full backs more often than he does. And Gutierrez needs to learn to cross. Marveaux on the other hand is exceptional and I have said this for a while
218 Nufc-83 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM
Pawl the hard thing is i actually like pardew. The way he handles himself in the media and in general makes the right noises however i cant keep supporting him when he plays an out and out goalscorer rm (even when Ba was here). I cant keep supporting him with stupid subs he makes. Although i was calling for his head last night i still think we need to stick with him as sacking him now may lead to instant relegation.
219 pawl250 // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM
Some people think Pardew is going out not to lose, ask yourself do you think he sits and picks a team and says “hmmmm I think we get a draw from that” or “hmmmmm we may just scrape through with that.”
If you think that then you need to wake up, he is trying to win games, he is not going out deliberately and losing the game.
Ontop of that I don’t think we have played poorly, just I question the defence. I have no doubt Pardew will be doing the same thing. Sometimes it is non existent Pardew didn’t set it up, or intend for it to be that way. If he did he would bench Colo and thats it, mission accomplished!
Grow up, support the team! Boos will not increase our chances of winning, most likely will increase our chance of losing! Get behind the lads, and manager.
I disagree with him at times i.e. Cisse on wing last night, but he sees these players everyday we see them once. He will set up the team to his best ability to WIN the match. Thats half the effort the team is responsible for what happens on the pitch!
220 Indian Magpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM
We sacked SBR for finishing 5th, Sacked Hughton when we were in better shape than this
221 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM
Ibiza…Debuchy’ medical is just taking forever ’cause he’s such a Dreamboat
lol
222 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM
http://whatculture.com/sport/chelsea-transfer-news-demba-ba-deal-hinges-on-medical.php?
…not that I don’t know he is going; has gotten used to that idea for a while now
…but still interesting
223 Pardews Perfect Battleplan // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:02 PM
@rotonda love how you said people are ignoring our stats then said stats can be used to suit anything lol.
well like i said im reserving judgement on pards until at least we have our full accompaniment of players.
oh and as good as laudrup is he did walk into a job with a team that already played pretty football and most of whom had played together for a fair while. i want to wait til next season to see his influence blossom.
224 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:02 PM
An update on Debuchy:
http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20130103/debuchy-deal-close-says-boss_2281670_3026432
225 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:02 PM
So what happens if Ba fails his medical and Chelsea pull out of the deal???
Personally I wouldn’t want him back now
226 WWYCD // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:02 PM
Debuchy not available against Brighton and Pards reckons he’s not going to be making many changes though Cisse will be through the middle apparently
227 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:03 PM
Jesper….Oh right, so being such a shambolic club hasn’t turned him off then? Phew
Indian….Not sure what you plan to achieve by mentioning Robson getting fired? No one seems to think that was a good idea, nor Hoots at the time.
228 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:03 PM
Indian
Does that mean you think the sacking of Hughton and SBR were good decisions?
Using the fact that SBR and Hughton were sacked as support for sacking Pardew is absolute nonsense.
229 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM
JB
If raylor hadn’t got injured, it certainly wasn’t looking as if benny was going to get a game any time soon was it?
Pardew had to accommodate the 3 up top and it worked a treat, but this season pardew caved in to Ba and kept flogging a dead horse. even with Ba gone he still plays a killer poacher as a right wing because they had done that in training. The other 19 PL managers must really be in awe of pardew’s mastermind tactics.
230 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Sky Sports News ?@SkySportsNews
Man City boss Roberto Mancini and Mario Balotelli have been pictured having an angry training ground bust-up this morning. #SSN
Get him in on loan, would be entertaining if nothing else
231 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM
Rotonda
What are you talking about? Raylor played LB last season, and never took up Benny’s position.
Think it’s incredulous how people criticise Pardew yet are factually incorrect about what they are criticising him for. As for defensive duties, I’d rather have Raylor at LB than Santon, defensively he is a liability.
232 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM
did hughton not lay a good foundation?
233 Nufc-83 // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Pardew seems to make all the right noises as i said again coming out saying they will hold transfer meeting today and that cisse will be used in the middle at all times now so we all think hmm transfer meeting they must be discussing plenty of targets.
234 WWYCD // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM
JB
Super Mario in Toon haha imagine the fun we’d have and the field day the papers would too bet they’d offer to pay his wages just for the bump in sales
235 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Rotonda heights
And where were we in the league before Pardew happened to stumble upon that formation???
236 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Ibiza…No no no, that’s just a part of our charm
JB…that is a good question (was wondering that myself) Do think that medical is taking forever
237 spennymoor-mag // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Londtoon
Well said I agree that pardew should b given more time. Besides he hasn’t had the backing to buy new players. If we change manager now it could rock the boat even more. Lets see who he brings in this transfer window! Besides lads if cabaye has convinced debuchy to join us he must have a little faith in pardew! Just a thought like lads
238 nick_9 // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Pawl Pardew is a stubborn bar steward, he’s arrogant and hardly ever holds his hands up. Cisse on the right last night was shocking decision making and leaving Shola on for 90 was crazy. It’s great we looked better in recent weeks but still no fcuking points on the board. Absolutely dismal, if we see Jonas walk back in then I’m done with him.
Still no official confirmation for Debuchy or Ba? Ba hinges on a medical, that would be ironic if he failed it. Not sure i would want him back after leaving us in the 5hit
239 Valid point // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Vegard Forren to Newcastle?? Yes please! This is Brede Hangeland’s CB partner in the norwegian national team.
Apparently he is in talks with unknown premier leauge club, confirmed by his club Molde.
240 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM
WWYCD
Mate it would be a laugh if nothing else.
A comic book villain taking a staring role in the leagues greatest soap opera club
241 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:11 PM
Ruddy
I think you’ll find that raylor didn’t play exclusively at left back. He was moved in to right mid for a spell.
santon for me has been a huge disappoinment and to not have the awareness to roll the ball to cisse for a tap in was a shooting offence. ye she gets foward but there is never any end product whatsoever
242 Nufc-83 // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:11 PM
Ruddy the problem is raylor may be defensive but he still cant defend!!!! Santon was our best performer until about 5 games ago when the team looks to have lost all confidence. People seem to think Santon becuase he attacks is useless at the back howeveri have seen many excellent defensive displays from him. Even last night he beat Fellani in the air twice at the back post and for the goal the run Anichebe made was almost impossible to track it was outstanding.
243 WWYCD // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM
JB
Haha I reckon Carver would sort out Mario
He seems the only one in NUFC who will kick some a**e no one on the pitch seems to bother these days
244 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM
JB
You obviously know the answer but hey if you happy to live in the past on one good season, good luck with that.
The status quo is pardew is going nowhere. That doesn’t make it a good thing just because no one else will work for ashley
245 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:16 PM
Newcastle United are reported to be in advanced talks with Marseille over an offer for striker Loïc Rémy. The 26 year old has scored just once this season in 14 Ligue1 games, but is being chased by Newcastle, Queens Park Rangers and West Ham who are rumoured to have already made a cash, plus player, offer back in December.
Overall however, Rémy has scored 39 goals in 95 appearances for domestic clubs and his transfer fee is expected to be in excess of £10million. He predominately plays as a lead striker but is versatile on the pitch.
Reports in France suggest that since the confirmation that Demba Ba was granted permission to talk to Chelsea, Newcastle have pushed to develop negotiations with Marseille.
246 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:16 PM
NUFC-83
Santon has never been good defensively this season, so I think people are somewhat dazzled by his marauding runs that still lead to nothing, and as for Raylor he does defend much better than Santon which is why I’d rather have him in the LB spot.
Rotonda
He may have been moved about but to say that Benny didn’t get a game because Raylor was in RM is incorrect, Obertan played RM more than Raylor, and neither player was keeping him out of the team, Pardew wanted to wait until he was fully fit and ready to do his defensive duties to unleash him.
247 numnut // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM
i wonder if we could get Balotelli on loan after his bust up
248 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:18 PM
Pawl
when will people get that supporting the team and a mediocre manager are NOT mutually exclusive.
249 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM
Ruddy
that’s kind of pardew in a nutshell. ” wanted benny to concentrate on defensive duties!!!
In France they built teams around Benny and he won 5 league titles. Pardew wants artisans not artists. harewood over tevez, mullins over mascherano etc.
250 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM
Rotonda heights
The answer is that we were doing well before Pardew stumbled on the magical formation.
If you are going to slaughter him at every opportunity then at least try to understand the reasoned argument that his hands have been tied from the start with absolutely no support or backing from the people who run the club. Try aiming your anger at the true reason to our failings and thats Ashley and co.
And yes I doubt the the type of manager you seem to want would ever work under this regime
251 Nufc-83 // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:23 PM
Ruddy wrong if you dont believe Santon has been excellent for 70% of this season then its clear you have a dislike for the lad. We are relying on him to provide an attacking threat down that side of the pitch maybe when we have players in front of him who can offer that he will not be constantly pushing on.
252 Spreadthetoon // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM
Our worst record in EPL history and possibly the worse run in our “entire” history? Our defensive frailties come down to the training ground? Poor at defending set pieces, cannot score from set pieces, not scoring from corners….etc all of this rings alarm bells at the mgmt/ coaches…..you can’t blame it all on injuries…….something is amiss. So do we all blindly stick with AP cos’ he’s got an 8 yr contract……it seems to stifle and divide fans alike………so how long do you support a regime that continues to loose…..if we get 0 pts from Norwich and Reading do we change tack then……do we follow blindly till its too late……do we let AP see the season out and hope that somehow we miss out on relegation. Sorry but IMO this is a poorer style of footy than when we last got relegated…..I place this at AP’s door. After some gr8 displays at OT and Emirates we return to -ve tactics….btw someone made an interesting point which really resonated with me….HBA/Cabaye/Tiote/Anita/Marveaux/Obertan/Bigi/Abied………most of these players are short, so technically very good along the ground…..we’ve shown that we have potentially one of the most attractive passing midfields……one that has no height….so please explain why we have played hoofball for @ least 10 games this season? Discuss
253 WWYCD // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM
People can whinge about Pards all they want but he’s not going anywhere and not much anyone can do about it so ur only winding urself and other fans up
254 spennymoor-mag // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM
About this silly post ed… It’s nonsense mate,why on earth would we go back for a player who failed a medical and can’t even get a game for west ham!!!! If this news about remy is true and we are in advanced negotiations then that’s great news…. But I still don’t think it’s enough to fill tha gap ba leaves. Would like us to try for that Kevin Gameiro from psg,even if its a loan deal at first. He doesn’t get a game at psg but what I have seen of him I think this lad has stacks of potential. With remy gameiro sissoko and a class centre half I think we can push on loads like.
255 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:26 PM
JB
when we finally played 433 with benny last season I was the happiest bunny in the park. it was like a light had been turned on or a valve had been released. it was fantastic to watch and I loved it.
This season pardew has reverted totally to type and his career record and I think after watching 11 out of 13 defeats I’ve got every right to call him.
256 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Rotonda
I don’t think you’re being fair on Pardew, and being too sympathetic to Benny, do you not remember last season’s FA Cup match against Brighton? Benny was the worst player on the pitch and constantly gave the ball away putting us under immense pressure and not tracking back.
I don’t think he wants Benny to focus on defensive duties, but to understand the ethic he requires from all his players, moreso now as we have a poor defence that needs its wingers tracking back.
As for Tevez and Mascherano…they were massive players for Pardew’s West Ham so I disagree with you there.
257 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM
As far as I know we need to register Debuchy before noon tomorrow for him to be available for the FA Cup match against Brighton! Shouldn’t that be possible?
258 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM
jesperfuglsang
Reports are saying that he wont play, don’t know if thats to do with registration or the fact that he would only have one session with the rest of the squad?
259 Nufc-83 // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Jesper pardew has said in his press conference he wont be playing on saturday so doesnt matter.
260 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM
Why are we attacking Pardew so much? and why are we defending him so much? (surely he needs to take responsibility – he’s in charge. Even he knows that).
261 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM
NUFC 83
You think you have the authority to tell anyone they are wrong? A tad arrogant don’t you think? I’ve no dislike for the lad, I think he has the potential to be world class, but if he is truly going to be a top class full back in the mould of Maldini (as he has always said he is his idol) then he needs to learn the bread and butter of his trade and that is defending first and foremost.
You are choosing to neglect this argument that a full back must defend first and attack second. While he may have been our most promising player in most of our games only goes to show how badly the rest of the team has been playing. He has been very poor defensively for the entire season and while he looks good going forward he needs to sort the defending out pronto.
262 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM
JB/Nufc-83…thanks for the info.
…I thought it was because he couldn’t play (which I don’t really get)
That’s his choice I guess, but with our injuries I would at least have him on the bench.
263 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:35 PM
JB
Taking away whether pardew has enough backing compared to teams like norwich and swansea, how about judging pardew on what he can control, ie on the training ground etc. Why are we so poor at passing the ball and supporting the man in possession? Why are our fitness levels so poor? these questions and other very valid ones are never answered by the pro pardew group.
it’s always the same excuses, we had a good season last season, it will come good etc etc. Excuses can only go so far. We have hit more long balls than any other team, but we bought Anita when pardew craves carroll !!
264 dead man walkin // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:35 PM
When sacked West Ham boss Alan Pardew has time to reflect on where it all went wrong, 31 August 2006 will be writ large in his mind.
Three months ago Pardew argued that he would have been foolish not to sign two world-class players in Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano, who joined the club at the end of the summer transfer window on that fateful August day.
When the Argentine duo arrived West Ham had made a reasonable start to the Premiership campaign, picking up four points from their first three league games and looking forward to a Uefa Cup campaign.
But the signing of Tevez and Mascherano – deals that are still shrouded in mystery as to who owns the players and the lengths of their West Ham contracts – marked the beginning of the club’s season imploding in dramatic fashion.
Since 31 August, West Ham have picked up just 10 points out of 42.
The club at one stage were on a losing run of eight successive games, in the process crashing out of the Uefa Cup to Palermo and humiliatingly to Chesterfield in the Carling Cup.
Off the pitch there has been just as much turmoil with a prolonged takeover saga finally ending last month when Icelandic businessman Eggert Magnusson took control of the club.
606: DEBATE
Does Pardew deserve this? I think the West Ham board have made a mistake
SD
606: Have your say
But Tevez and Mascherano can hardly be blamed solely for West Ham’s calamitous poor form.
Striker Tevez has started seven league games, while Mascherano has begun only three.
But their arrival did raise serious questions about Pardew’s judgement.
It is hard to believe that when Pardew began preparing for the season that Tevez and Mascherano were at the top of his shopping list.
Their arrival has clearly done little to promote team spirit, quite the opposite.
And even when he has played the Argentines it is questionable whether he has got the most out of them.
Argentine boss Alfio Basile has criticised Pardew for deploying Tevez as a left-winger.
Pardew’s fall has been swift given just a few months ago he had said guiding West Ham to the FA Cup final was his “best day in football”.
Their FA Cup final appearance in May had capped a fine return to the Premiership as West Ham readjusted to life in the top-flight with ease.
But put last season’s success aside and Pardew could be forgiven for wondering just how enjoyable his time at Upton Park has been since he took over three years ago.
In May 2005 West Ham beat Preston 1-0 in the Championship play-off final at the Millennium Stadium, a game many felt was win or bust for Pardew.
Even striker Bobby Zamora, who netted the winning goal, admitted as much, saying: “Possibly this has saved Alan his job.”
PARDEW’S WEST HAM RECORD
Played: 163
Won: 67
Drawn: 34
Lost: 62
After that play-off final win, Pardew said: “In the two years I have been here, all I have heard is negative stuff and it has been a cycle of misery.”
It was only after the victory over Preston that West Ham supporters seemed ready to fully embrace Pardew.
The faithful had been reluctant to sing “Alan Pardew’s claret and blue army” until that day in Cardiff – 19 months after he completed his controversial move east from Reading.
Following high-profile legal wrangles with the Berkshire club, he finally took charge in October 2003, replacing caretaker boss Trevor Brooking.
Taking over from such a popular figure was never going to be easy and when West Ham lost to Crystal Palace in the 2003-2004 play-off final, only promotion to the Premiership the following season was going to be enough.
But 2004-2005 was patchy, with the Hammers never seriously looking like earning a top-two finish, and the fans were not impressed.
As sloppy defeats followed solid wins, Pardew seemed always to be only one game from the sack.
A place in the play-offs was only secured by a last-day 2-1 win at Watford.
A play-off final spot was only clinched by Zamora’s second-half double in the second leg against Ipswich.
Last season Pardew appeared to have finally found his feet at Upton Park, but 31 August 2006 changed all that.
265 John Tudor // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM
pardew will not walk and will not be sacked
266 dead man walkin // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:38 PM
When Alan Pardew left West Ham’s players scratching their heads before they boarded the team bus to Bolton last Friday, some of the squad began to openly question how much longer he could remain in charge of the club.
They were stunned when he announced before training that the inexperienced left-back George McCartney and rookie defender James Collins would be marking Bolton’s muscular strikeforce of El Hadji Diouf and Kevin Davies, their fate was sealed before they even arrived at the Reebok.
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With Javier Mashcerano left behind in London with a mysterious ankle injury, their experienced centre half Christian Dailly was told he would be playing alongside captain Nigel Reo-Coker and Hayden Mullins as the holding midfielder.
It was a disaster waiting to happen and after nine defeats on the road, the team rolled over and it made it ten.
All three of Bolton’s forwards scored – Diouf, Davies and Anelka – in their 4-0 victory, but some of West Ham’s senior players confided in friends that “it could easily have been seven or eight”.
The manner of that defeat was certainly alien to a club that rolled their sleeves up, finished ninth in the Premiership and came within a whisker of winning the FA Cup final against Liverpool last year.
Those were the days when Pardew’s planning was meticulous, but senior players noticed a change in the manager when they reported back for pre-season training.
Flushed with success, some of the squad felt that he was operating the team by remote control. He earned a basic salary of £1m last season, but that was inflated – along with his ego – to £1.6m after their extraordinary success story.
At the time, the former Reading manager was the man with the midas touch, but when results on the pitch took a turn for the worse, the power struggle in the boardroom provided Pardew with an alibi for their failings on the field.
He was hounded on his mobile phone by their prospective new owner Kia Joorabchian, a man whose disastrous business ventures have already been highlighted in this newspaper, but to his credit, Pardew kept his cool.
After hailing Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez as “world class players” when they signed, he told friends he “wasn’t sure if they are for us” within days of their full debuts in the 1-0 defeat against Palermo in the UEFA Cup.
Pardew has undoubtedly missed the injured Dean Ashton, the focal point of his attack last season, but the players must also shoulder some of the blame for his demise.
When the results did not go their way, the backbiting started. The players were upset that Marlon Harewood, the club’s leading goalscorer last season, had been forced to make way for Tevez and Mullins, who is the most dependable player at the club, had been axed in favour of Mascherano.
Reo-Coker, the club’s captain, threw his shirt at the bench after he was substituted against Liverpool, but Pardew never once carried out his private threat to drop him.
The influential members of the team – captain Nigel Reo-Coker, Anton Ferdinand, Bobby Zamora and Harewood – strongly lobbied assistant manager Peter Grant, who has since left for Norwich, for their return to the team.
After they were beaten 2-0 at home by Newcastle, the players felt Pardew had made the lines of demarcation clear. Some of the players were still squabbling among themselves in the dressing room when the manager walked in and told them to “Shut up and listen to what I have to say”.
Pardew told them that he was already a millionaire and didn’t need to work, but told the players that they “earned £30,000 a week and were only in it for the money”.
He meant that he was only in football because he loved the game, but his comments were misinterpreted and taken by some of the influential players as a sign of arrogance.
A week later, Pardew axed Tevez before their 2-0 defeat at Manchester City and he was clinging on to his job when they lost 2-1 at Chesterfield in the Carling Cup.
After the game, chairman Terrence Brown stormed down to the dressing room and claimed that their performance had been worse than a Sunday pub side, but they staged a mini-revival the following weekend.
Pardew vowed to go back to basics the following weekend against Blackburn and it was Teddy Sheringham, who had waited to patiently for his chance on the sidelines, who inspired their first victory since they beat Charlton on the opening day of the season.
A week later, Pardew appeared to have turned the corner when they beat Arsenal with a last minute winner, but three successive defeats – against Everton, Wigan and Bolton – were the final nails in the coffin.
With new owners to impress, Pardew appeared to have lost his motivational skills with the team and behind the scenes, he was already losing credit with the new chairman Eggert Magnusson.
He explained that the arrival of Tevez and Mascherano had upset the club’s rhythm and also told the board that he was disappointed that the previous regime had not backed him in the transfer market in the summer.
Although the move for the Argentinians was done without Pardew’s knowledge, he personally sanctioned the transfers on August 31 and he also bought England keeper Robert Green, signed Lee Bowyer from Newcastle and Chelsea striker Carlton Cole during the summer.
Magnusson pledged to make significant investment in the team in the January transfer window, but that will be someone else’s responsibility after that battering at Bolton.
The Icelandic business tycoon felt the team had folded and after that, Pardew was finished.
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267 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM
Rotonda heights
So why don’t you aim your dislike/hatred at Ashley, the man that gave Pardew an 8 year deal?
268 nick_9 // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM
Ruddy I disagree, I think he has been excellent for about 10-15 games and has done badly in probably 3 or 4 of the last games played. Santon and Ben Arfa were our key performers for the first ten games an since then it’s probbly Anita.
269 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Catchy
Changing your name to dead man walking doesn’t make your posts anymore intresting to read
270 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM
ruddy
i will try and be a bit more pleasant than you and not say what are you talking about
However, Tevez and mascherano massive players for west ham – NOT under pardew they weren’t. he had a massive falling out with them.
271 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Catchy
Different name has fooled no one
272 John Tudor // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:46 PM
remy in advance talks will fall thru tho
273 dead man walkin // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:46 PM
What do you do with a manager who wins promotion at the first time of asking, inspires your team to hammer their biggest rivals 5-1 and remains on course to fulfil his brief of keeping your team in the Premier League? Sack him, apparently.
And who do you replace him with? Well, how about someone who has been fired from his last three jobs and whose biggest achievement in the last four years has been winning the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy?
Perfect, if you’re Mike Ashley. After all, why bother trying to persuade a footballing heavyweight like Martin O’Neill or Martin Jol to take over when you can get that guy you’ve met down at the casino instead? He’ll do.
Much in keeping with the carnival of muddled thinking on Tyneside over the past 48 hours, the decision to appoint Alan Pardew as Chris Hughton’s replacement has little to recommend it. When Hughton was sacked, a Newcastle statement indicated the club were after an experienced manager. Well Pardew certainly has experience in the Premier League, but it includes one sacking and one relegation.
Pardew’s career has only been going in one direction for years, ever since his West Ham side lost the 2006 FA Cup final to Liverpool. While prior to that defeat he had been on an upward trajectory, ever since he has been heading steadily downwards. Within seven months of defeat at the Millennium Stadium, Pardew had been sacked as West Ham manager, having covered himself in glory by often dropping Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano to the Upton Park bench in favour of Marlon Harewood and Hayden Mullins.
Within two weeks he had taken over at struggling Charlton, and while results did improve under Pardew, the club were still relegated after seven seasons in the top flight. And while Pardew was armed with a hefty transfer budget in a bid to get the Addicks back into the Premier League at the first time of asking, he failed badly (in stark contrast to Hughton with Newcastle) and finished the season in 11th. He was sacked as Charlton manager in November 2008, with the club languishing near the bottom of the Championship, and they never fully recovered, eventually being relegated to League One.
As is the way with football, Pardew was soon rewarded for these two sackings by landing another job in July 2009, this time with Southampton. Despite the club being hamstrung with a 10-point penalty, Pardew’s charges impressed and finished just outside the League One play-offs in the 2009-10 season and won the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy, beating Carlisle in the final. And yet in August 2010 he was sacked by Southampton, amid reports of low morale among staff.
You would expect that after yet another firing, Pardew might legitimately feel his shot at the big time was over. Instead he appears set to land the biggest job of his life.
If, as expected, he is named as Newcastle’s new manager, it would neatly sum up the disastrous Ashley regime. A farcical appointment for a farcical owner. How apposite
274 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:47 PM
JB
It sickens me that ashley will not appoint a top manager for 50000+ fans and why he has made himself so unattractive for a top manager to come here.
275 ToonDownSouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Who is this guy pasting newspaper articles from 2 years ago?
That’s pretty sad. How about posting some from last season too? That’s about as relevant.
276 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Rotonda
And tevez and mascherano have also fallen out with every team they have played for since whats your point
277 John Tudor // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:51 PM
leech for centreback
278 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM
TDS
its catchy the give away is the muppet can’t spell can’t (carn’t) and for some reason use’s double ,, every time he breaks a sentence
Oh the other give away is his post are boring as fcuk to read
279 hatem786 // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:53 PM
Lille defender Mathieu Debuchy has completed his £5.5million move to Newcastle.
The France international, who watched the home defeat to Everton, has passed his medical but he is not available to play in the FA Cup third round at Brighton on Saturday
280 fray bentos // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:53 PM
@dead man walking
“Well, how about someone who has been fired from his last three jobs and whose biggest achievement in the last four years has been winning the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy”
Well i think you will find most managers have not won anything in the last 4 years so he’s got that over most of them, but also lets forget that he got a very recently promoted team into europe, lets just conveniently forget about that, thats also something he’s got over most premiership managers
281 Novocastrian66 // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Pawl250
I don’t blame anyone for not going to the match on a regular basis. That was my point. Ian Toon was calling someone “Fair Weather”. There isn’t such a thing as a Fair Weather Newcastle supporter or fan.
You support the Toon when you can I accept that, in my view a supporter is someone who puts something into an organisation usually financially. If I do not renew my season ticket I will consider myself a fan and not a supporter as I will not be putting anything into the club. I will be withdrawing my support.
Anyone who buys licenced products; but does not go to the match is a supporter in my opinion as they’re putting something into the club.
I never said I wanted Pardew to go. In fact I think Pardew is doing his best with limited resources.
I even stated that I would renew if we spent money and the players we bought turned out to be rubbish. I can accept that. What I find hard to stomach is a lack of investment in the team which has led to our current predicament.
282 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Rotonda heights
And thats why I dont understand the hatred towards Pardew,Ashley is to blame as he refuses to back the man he put in charge leaving him with a tiny squad in the most physically demanding league in world football and then after failing to back him he pushes Pardew out in front of the camera to deal with million questions and to face the anger of the fans.
If Pardew is guilty of anything its not walking away and telling Ashley to shove it
283 Daley_Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:55 PM
dead man walking. would never read a comment as long as that. i don’t care about someone elses opinion that much haha!
284 ToonDownSouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Getting sick of this Tevez/Mascherano crap that keeps being spouted.
Tevez was so unfit that he could barely train, and Mascherano refused to.
I post this every single time someone posts that same ill informed crap, and they always just ignore it.
285 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Rotonda
I don’t see how asking you what are you talking about is unpleasant, but perhaps you’re just one of these more sensitive souls.
Well given how they weren’t his signings I could see how he could fall out with them but they still played regularly in his team, which was my initial point.
Nick 9 he has been attacking for the first ten games but he has never been a solid defender, not saying that he is not a good player which I think is getting lost in the points that I am making.
286 Super Magpie // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:57 PM
I think Pardew got it right with HBA last season. It made him realise that he couldn’t just walk into the team and its made him a better player because of it. Even HBA himself has said that.
But forget last season, we are in trouble as it stands and are in a relegation battle. We could go down, nobody is too good to go down.
It happened in 2009 and it could happen again. I do think we’ll stay up if we bring in the required quality this month but if we don’t I worry for us. This team definitely cares more than the one in 2009 did though. They just don’t look like they have the belief to win matches which is even more worrying.
We need atleast 4 players since Ba has departed. Debuchy now looking likely to be the 1st through the door. This needs to be followed up by a CB ( Sakho/M’Biwa/Alderweireld/Douglas), A CM (Sissoko/Diame)
and a CF ( Remy/Aubameyang).
I don’t want us to mess around with negotiations either. Obviously we can’t be too desperate because the fee will rocket up but it’s vital we bring in the players for these positions.
287 coccolini // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:57 PM
Debuchy medical done, all wrapped up according to daily mail and various twitter sources
288 ToonDownSouth // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM
Also, very good point made about Ben Arfa.
I forgot how his performance against Brighton – and clearly so did the whole brigade.
289 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM
Why do we have the best scout in the game if we hardly use his knowledge???
290 hatem786 // Jan 3, 2013 at 3:00 PM
Lille defender Mathieu Debuchy has completed his £5.5million move to Newcastle.
The France international, who watched the home defeat to Everton, has passed his medical but he is not available to play in the FA Cup third round at Brighton on Saturday
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291 JackButler // Jan 3, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Could be worse
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2256586/Mario-Balotelli-Roberto-Mancini-training-ground-fight.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
292 check the toastie // Jan 3, 2013 at 3:03 PM
TADS – his point is clearly that Pardew is a dick and pig headed at that, his selections through this season have cost us many points, the stubborn selection of Jonas and Simpson is incredulous.
I said that if Shola was picked to play through the middle last night Pardew should be sacked on the spot, i stand by that comment.
If Jonas come back in the team to play wide midfield at any point he should be sacked on the spot.
Pardew is starting to look a real fool, i cannot believe some of the back to front football he is still encouraging even though we have the most talented squad we have had since SBR.
Gutless, arrogant t1t.
293 Ian Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 3:07 PM
dead man walkin – are you Catchy?
294 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Ricardo quaresma is available on a free transfer after vein released by his club.
At 29 is he worth a 6 month deal to tie us over for the sunmer
295 Ian Toon // Jan 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM
Check- What don’t you understand about Pardew’s logical explanation? Let me spell it out for you because you have clearly not grasped it. The team was set up( prepared) on the training ground with
allocated roles. This is just not in the offensive sense but defensive sense ie free kicks, corners for and against etc. This was with Ba in the team. In made sense when Ba was subsequently withdrawn after the last training session to have as few changes as possible.
296 hazzy // Jan 3, 2013 at 3:24 PM
deadman walking
i stopped reading after “footballing heavyweights Martin O’neil and Martin Jol” hahahaha
there awful managers probably worse than pardew to be fair
297 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Ian
It’s a simple concept really. Pardew just wanted to get through that game with as few disruptions as possible.
My only criticism of that is that cisse should never be a winger to start with, even when Ba was there cisse should have been central or benched.
298 blog buster // Jan 3, 2013 at 3:41 PM
on and off long time reader
i have to say, last season was a strange season for us, while pardew never set the world alight he got results, i think both liverpool and chelsea having poor seasons also helped us
there were time last season that i thought pardew had lost the plot,
in dec / jan poor results followed by poor team selctions when the boys went to the AFCN, he played us aultra defensive,
when they came back , he played , cabaye, who was starting to look very poor, back up behind the forward, cisse through the middle ba left hba on the right,, ba did nothing for the rest of the season, but played left wing, the other 3 where amazing,
this season,, i think he has bent over backwards to please BA, i think this has back fired on him,
when i watch the games now, i feel im watching a man not in control, and i feel this way because of questionable starting line ups and subs,,
are we playing long ball, ? pardew said no, his formations said no, the stats said yes,,
i love spiderman, he is a crowd pleaser, his hard work unquestionable , but do we get very little from him in defence or attack,
cisse, why try and turn him into a winger, when you have wingers at the club
perch,, zero to hero, but he is not a utility man, his best position is DMC,
why is pardew buying ( the club) players and pardew playing so many out of position,, i guess we bought them because they were good at there job in the first place,,
i have to admit my pet hate,, shola,, i carnt help feeling he has gave up his sream to help pardew out, and i have to say if this is true , its wrong, this is sholas 1 chance to play in a big tornament, i feel in return for dropping out of it, he will get games, now i dont know , but i feel that after pardew has said cisse will play through the middle now, i feel shola will be in the starting 11, i may be wrong,,
and if this is true,, you have to start asking yourself, is pardew doing whats best for the team
this season has been a massive let down, and yes the 2 above have to take there share of the blame, i feel very let down by pardew, 21 games in, we have only been with out cabaye and HBA for a few of those, and we are not a 2 man team, pardew shows no faith in others, slates them on tv, im wondering if he isnt the cause of the low moral,
our players are not stupid
299 doonundertoon // Jan 4, 2013 at 12:15 AM
long time reader first time poster.
this report is absolute garbage, he cant transfer to 2 clubs in 1 season, just lazy lazy journalism by whoever keeps writing the silly maiga articles
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