Pardew Going Through Similar Problems Moyes Had At Everton

Moyes joined Everton on 14th March 2002 from Preston North End, and in his first full season in charge he had Everton in 7th place on 59 points in 2003, and we may add a full 10 points behind a Bobby Robson managed Newcastle United side, who were 3rd top behind only Manchester United and Arsenal.

Soccer - Barclays Premier League - Newcastle United v Everton - St James' Park

Moyes and Pardew talk before a game

But then in David’s next season Everton basically battled relegation, and finished 4th bottom on 39 points in May of 2004, a full 20 points less than in the previous season, but the Toffees were till were 6 points clear of Leicester City , Leeds United and Wolves who all had 33 points and were relegated

But the Everton Board did not sack David after the 2003-2004 season or during it,  and of course the next season, Moyes had them back up there in 4th position on 61 points.

And basically the rest is history -and david Moyes has been a fantastic manager for Everton Football Club, but how many clubs would have not sacked a manager who in his second full season had them 4th bottom of the league?

The answer is not many.

And we think Mike Ashley has tried to copy the Everton model, because the Merseyside club do not have much money to spend either – although they have a lot less than the Magpies to spend.

And that’s why Mike Ashley will be hoping (and praying?) that Alan Pardew can help the club escape relegation this season, and if we get our players back and some new players in before February rolls around, we should have a decent chance of avoiding the drop.

And as a second example the great Sir Bobby Robson did probably his best bit of management work ever, when he came in to manage Newcastle during early September of 1999, when Newcastle were second bottom, and Ruud Gullit having been shown the door.

Bobby did an amazing job, and we finished in mid-table in 2000.

But in the next season we had lots of injuries, including having a certain Alan Shearer out, and it turned out to be a very disappointing season, since expectations were very high (that’s strange!),  and we finished 11th top – and worse off than we were in the season before, when we had also finished 11th with 52 points.

Newcastle had a lot of injuries that year and we think just before Christmas of 2001, we were top of the Premier League, as Bobby had us back running on all cylinders, and we finished 3rd top that season – and again the rest is history.

So history has shown that even the best managers find it tough when they have lots of injuries and their best players missing, – and to be fair to Alan Pardew, nobody can argue he’s not had it very tough with injuries this season, with our squad simply not equipped to play both in the Premier League and the Europa League.

End of history lesson. 😀

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28 comments so far

  • bambams

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #1

    Moyes has done well, Pards is not Moyes though.

    Maybe he does need more time to get our first team all back, but what happens if we then lose Colo, Anita or Cisse.

    Just because we have players coming back does not mean its the end of injuries.

    On a bright note i genuinely believe we will start picking up points over next three games.

  • No Plain Saylor

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #2

    It boils down to pardumb is not moyes..

  • thespecialone-ameobi

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #3

    I hope Ashley gives pardew time he will come good. And stability is what we need

  • 5Danny94

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Comment #4

    Ben Arfa—-Cabaye—-Marveaux

  • budmon

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Comment #5

    Wow, Pardew went from Manager of the year last season and people are jumping him for this season. 1. the season is not over 2. players are liable more at this point considering it’s pretty much the same squad. 3. no much creativity in midfield (letting guthrie go was a mistake).
    Pardew will keep us up, no point i sacking him before season is over. if we go down then maybe but i’ll be happy to stay in the prem regroup next season and enjoy more brilliant football that we saw in glimpses last season.

  • davybtoon

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Comment #6

    Sunday sun say hba cabaye n jonas all could b back for Norwich

  • ToonDownSouth

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Comment #7


    You can’t comapare those lot to the likes of Walker, Caulker, Naughton,Danny Rose etc!

    Tav has never impressed in a senior game of football, and Streete and Satka have never played one lol.

    A year or two ago everyone though Sammy and Vuckic were going to be world beaters – our young players get consistently over hyped.

  • bambams

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #8


    Looks on paper a cracking team mate, think we will ever get them on a pitch ?

  • Dannyo

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #9

    We won’t get relegated this season, period.
    And those who think so can go find a new club to support.
    Keeping the faith in times like this is all that matter, and if you cannot do that, u’re not a supporter.

  • John Tudor

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #10

    no comment

  • No Plain Saylor

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #11

    The next three games should be cruical in pardew keeping\losing his job. Games against norwich, reading and villa have to be won. If he takes nothing from those games he has to go. It would leave a new manager 15 league games to save us..

  • geoff777

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Comment #12

    Jonas can stay crocked for a few weeks … please.

    Pardew is clueless. He got so lucky last season.

    Martinez please. Today.

  • davybtoon

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    Comment #13

    Tds – I never compared them, I said we’ve good young players coming through

    The reason are players struggle is bcoz the academy isn’t run properly they’d should b loan from 18 to league 2, 19 to league 1, 20/21 championship/prem n then 21 promoted to first or released
    Classic example of this dummett n Inman both 21 but hav only jus been loaned this season

    N spurs didn’t produce naughton n walker they bought them from Sheffield utd

  • Sheikh MagToon

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #14

    Most of the anti-Pards brigade on here need a serious reality check. Yesterday’s team had only one of our first choice 11 in it, and more than one who wouldn’t be on the bench for the reserves. Yes we were rubbish but judge him and the team at the end of Jan. We need to start picking up points as well as reinforcements, and it is more than possible in this league this season. Look at Norwich: in bottom 3 then 9 unbeaten, then not won since. I’d rather be where we are with our players than be where the mackems, Villa or bottom 3 are. We’ll see what happens, but my bet is we finish more than 10 points above the drop.

  • Mister Tuff

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Comment #15

    John Tudor @189 – Respect to you man -great shot. I presume you live in the North East – throwing a 60″ plasma telly 350 miles to hit Percy Parsnip on the bonce -what a shot man. Respect man! Might have knocked a bit of sense into him.
    After the successful “strike” did the telly behave like a boomerang and return to your living room – what a fascinating story -please update. Total respect man.

  • Blaydon-Toon

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Comment #16

    Dannyo we all love the club but to stick your head in the sand and think all is rosy will not get us out of this mess .., we all hope we can start to pick up points and perform but to say we will not go down Od wishful thinking the next three games are there for the taking ! We have yet to win away all season lets hope Norwich will be the game that turns our season round !

  • @lukehodge_

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Comment #17

    What other manager could we get in that could of done a job with the team we field? Seriously.. Ameobi, williamson, perch!

  • @lukehodge_

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Comment #18

    What other manager could we get in that could of done a job with the team we field?

  • Sir Braveheart

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #19

    Success in football come from two sources. Either you buy it (Chelsea and Man City) or you built it (Man Utd, Arsenal). Everton are trying to build it on a shostring and doing very well. With a bit of stability in our club and the money we have available for transfers we could do just as well. People need more patience.

    Those calling for Martinez, he barely scrapes past relegation each year with Wigan, yet Wigan dont sack him. He’s being given a chance to build something and slowly its working. We need to do the same.

  • bills-son

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    Comment #20

    Sir Braveheart, I agree with your comments about Ashley ie., ge would rather win a cup than sell the club for a £30M profit BUT he needs to show us fans that he is committed by bringing in another two players at least in this window and not selling any of our top lads.

    If Ashley was purely in it for the money he would have sold Tiote, Cabaye and HBA in the summer when he could have trousered £30M or more. Bottom line is he hasn’t sold one top player since accepting the ridiculous £35M for AC. Ba doesn’t count because of the clause.

    I’m reserving my jdgement on Ashley until Feb 1st.

  • northernirishtoon

    Jan 6, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Comment #21

    Good article ed. puts it into perspective. He needs everyone back before his tactical prowess can be judged. Lets be honest lads he is working with a pile of shit. There has been no consistency this year with team selections which makes it hard to get any momentum going. Fair enough his substitutions sometimes begger belief but this is the man who had us playing some scintillating football last year (even with guti in the team lol). Judge him when players are back fully fit

  • Sir Braveheart

    Jan 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Comment #22

    Agreed. He needs to show he’s learnt his lesson about taking risks with a small squad and back Pardew. I think he will. I think we’ll have one player either over the line or close to by next Sunday and another in by end of the window.


    Jan 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #23




    Anyone on here know Rudyard Kipling?

    The Last thing we need to do again is to change our Trainer in Mid-season? Some of the arm-chair support on here want to take us back down! If Pardew goes most of the players out injured will more than likely be sold off too by Fat Ash and Lambs Arse!

    If this is what you all want then it will be a One-way ticket not only to the Championship ( God Forbid ) but also way down again to the 1st Division ( Unthinkable )!

    I also predict that we will not only stay up but will more than likely end up top 10 ! Some of the dross i,m reading on here today sounds like some of you have already given up the ghost ! Your all starting to frigging depress me!

    Now i,ve had enough of this and am going off to do the Garden !

  • southerngeordie

    Jan 6, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Comment #24

    Brilliant article Ed and gives a lot of perspective.

    I don’t begrudge fans calling for change i just want people to consider the alternatives. If Pards goes, it won’t be the likes of Blanc, Hiddink or even exciting young managers like Martinez, or Poyet coming in. It would be Mark Hughes – Ashley is a big fan and i’d put my house on it being him.

    Ashley bangs on about building a team like Arsenal but if you look at what Everton has done in terms of keeping faith with their manager and retaining consistency they are the blue print. Mix it with Ashley’s penny pinching and it would bring something we’ve never had stability.

  • jimiley

    Jan 6, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Comment #25

    We need to be patient and give Alan the time he needs to build the club into a superpower. He has 8 years and we should let him get on with it. If Ashley wants him, then he should have our full support.

  • Harley

    Jan 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Comment #26

    I’ve been saying this for ages. Even since then Everton have had some poor seasons, check out their league finishes online.
    They’ve stuck by their manager all this time and they’re now one of the most solid teams on the league.
    Even last season they were awful until the new year.
    All this talk of getting rid of pardew is crazy. We would be back to the old days. Look where we were 2 seasons ago.
    Well get through it.

  • nufcusa

    Jan 6, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    Comment #27

    Newexpatmag – u been watching Mike Bassett??

    This article was good and paints the picture well. Finally an article with insight and facts that can not be brought into question.

    I have asked for more fact based posts in the past to no avail (regarding defensive frailties, set piece goals) and was crucified.

    Surely this is more enjoyable reading and debate than the mythical signings of players linked from all over the globe.


    Jan 7, 2013 at 6:57 AM

    Comment #28

    Garden done!

    You missed my point, Nufcusa. I meant some of the posters on here are starting to depress me with all their Negativity !


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