There are a number of reports in France saying that Newcastle are the only club now after Loic Remy the Marseilles striker, and that the player has flown into Newcastle for talks.
Loic Remy – in Newcastle right now
This is one report in the French media and here is a poor and abbreviated translation of the report:
Harry Redknapp, the coach of the English QPR was at the stadium yesterday take a look at Loïc Rémy, but Remy is not interested in a transfer to the English Premier League.
Newcastle therefore remained the sole candidate. On Sunday evening, Marseille president Vincent Labrune however, showed himself confident that the Magpies went back after him. At the same time, there was really no other interests.
The Gazzeta Dello Sport newspaper reports that Inter Milan would like to take Loic Remy in the form of a loan – but they have already signed the veteran Rocchi of Lazio earlier this year.
Interest of Dortmund and Schalke 04 is up in the air, and according to our information, Remy is currently in England. It could even sign his contract with the Magpies in the coming hours.
Toon leaders believe in the potential of the player without him putting pressure. Papis Cissé was called to replace Demba Ba in the 4-2-3-1 of Pardew immediately.
We have to hope the report is correct but other news this morning suggested that Loic Remy was not interested in the big wages offered by QPR, and of course he could settle in rather quickly at Newcastle, with the large French contingent, which could get even bigger this month.
Newcastle have already signed Mathieu Debuchy and there other French targets the club are also after.
Let’s hope we get some good news on Remy shortly.
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1 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:24 PM
South foooooookkkkkkkkiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnggggggg hampton!!
2 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM
Remy is in Morocco.
We won’t sign Remy!!!
I could list all the playes we’ve been linked with who have been reported to be ‘on Tyneside’ but it’d take me a full friggin season.
3 davybtoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM
They must have some good info bcoz they could of just said they think we will sign remy, but they are saying he is actually here to sign
4 Dude // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM
Absolute chizzle. The lad’s in Morocco on a Marseille training camp. Says so on their site. This chancer’s just making stuff up (and cwarr re-trumpeted it). Has to be rollox.
5 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM
Beattie. ?
6 Indian Magpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:28 PM
Francois Piraux ?@F8Piraux
Newcastle want Rémy but no offer for the moment. Loïc is at Marrakech with OM squad. #OM #NUFC
7 No Plain Saylor // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM
This article broke my brain.. ?
8 davybtoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Bored just sign some god dam players wtf are they playing it
9 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM
Good afternoon…So I’m guessing by the comments above that I shouldn’t be getting excited by this article quite yet?
10 Rock // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM
http://whatculture.com/sport/newcastle-transfers-5-players-who-could-help-stave-off-relegation.php?
the pezzella chap looked interesting to me and so did Aubameyang. but then these are just pipe dreams of some journo probably.
11 Dannyo // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM
Remy is away with the OM squad.
12 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Im. With bills son on this Im holding out until the window is closed,not sitting on the fence just don’t want to be critical in case three manage to get over the line,but would like to stay that I.m not happy with the quality in the building and make no bones about it I a’int .
13 Football Converse // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Ashley is an astute businessman and is well aware of the implications financially, should we take the plunge once again this season. A mere £20m investment in January would realistically bring in the talent to secure our eventual safety, Remy will join in January I am sure of it, along with a CB as yet to be mentioned within the media. Graham Carr will have unearthed some players surely. Keep the faith guys! Howay.
14 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Rubbish
15 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:35 PM
Literally how hard is it to sign someone?
I can’t be too different to buying a house.
If you have the money in the bank (which we do) you ask how much the owner wants, you bid a little less, they accept or reject, you go back in if you want to or you move on.
It literally takes 20 minutes, even with a scheming money grabbing agent encouraging you to go a little bit higher.
This should have been done!!! I swear if I had half a brain I’d smash up my local sports direct in protest.
We should do that you know. A sustained campaign of peaceful protests in sports directs throughout the country.
16 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:37 PM
Mmmmm…..eenteresting…..
‘Remy is not interested in a transfer to the red lantern English Premier League [QPR]‘.
Rednapp’s been at Loftus Road five minutes and Acton’s now a red light district!
Maybe he turned down Ashley’s offer to join us when he found out there wasn’t much scope in the toon for him to develop that particular enterprise !!!
17 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:37 PM
Beattie….Was there a section missing from that post?
“I swear if I had half a brain I’d smash up my local sports direct in protest.
We should do that you know. A sustained campaign of peaceful protests in sports directs throughout the country.”
Smashing up is peaceful?
18 danuneek // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:37 PM
I bet we bring someone in on loan an hour before the window shuts and that will be it.
19 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:37 PM
Beattie
That will just raise the profile of sports direct lol. It will be in the news
20 t00ntime // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM
Until a photo is shown u cant prove he is in morocco.
Do i believe he is on tyneside? No. But just cause OM sad he is going there doesnt mean he is.
We know nothing until photos are shown of him in either place. Though i think we can all agree theres 90% chance his is in morocco
21 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM
This is last summer all over again, bring in one first teamer and then fanny about up untill the deadline only to hear “we tried” or “we’re not being held to ransome” . Its not as if we have an injury crisis like is it, but then again Cabaye & Ben Arfa will be just like new signings when they get back from injury
22 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM
Beattie
Instead of smashing up maybe do to Ashley what he did to us.
Get a bed sheet, paint st James park in big letters and pin it over all sports direct signs above the shops haha.
23 Indian Magpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM
PPL SAID PARDEW WAS IN GERMANY WHEN HE WAS BAOUT TO BE NAMED NUFC BOSS
24 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM
TS….Now that’s an idea
25 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM
Smashing something is peaceful in my head.
I literally talk absolute balls.
It would be funny to cover over sports direct logos with NUFC adverts though.
26 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:41 PM
Toon time
I’m with you on that. It’s pretty easy to get a flight from one place to another these days.
I remain sceptical until it I reported by more people in more detail but we shall see.
27 geoff777 // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:42 PM
Underwhelmed by Remy.
I predict a huge failed bid minutes before the window closing.
“We tried but we just couldn’t get him over the line.
Still we have Cabaye and HBA back soon and they are just like new signings.
28 Spoof // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:44 PM
Just had a phone call, apparently Remy has left the training camp to come here, similar to what Cisse done last season, however, this comes from an un-reliable source, so its probably wrong
29 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:45 PM
Beattie…It goes someway to explaining your special ways. Just for the comedy factor I’m quite behind NUFC banners over SD signs.
What’s life without friendly banter?
30 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM
Has anyone noticed the complete absence of ‘it will be a good window if the top clubs don’t come in for our players’.
He only tows that line to try and keep us quiet.
Yes Demba to Chelski might fall into that catagory but I had given up on him December 2011.
I still expect that line to come out soon enough ‘yer know, your ben arfas, your cabayes and your cisses, it’d be a good window if we don’t sell them’.
31 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM
On this Remy being in Newcastle thing…Are we all trusting Ryder now? What if the club want everyone to think he’s not here? Not saying it’s likely or not, just saying.
32 Munster Mag // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:46 PM
Ian, I have a feeling , with all due respect, that you would have been one of the ones supporting the 8 yr contract at the time. Or maybe the invisible 5 yr strategy. Yes we can all see that Pardew had had injuries but he has also had plenty of players who were not injured. We have enough quality to be doing far better than 11 losses in 14 or whatever it is . And losing to Brighton. Did u see the level of motivation on the pitch???? Its been an appalling season and Pardew and others ( including you ) need to stop hiding behind injuries. Pardews tactics, team set up, negative vibes, shocking free kicks and corners are nothing to do with injuries, just bad training and a stupid approach. Who dictates that we play a longer ball game than Stoke? And believe ne, if Pards doesnt cop himself on, Cabaye and other will leave NUFC because they wont want to waste their talents on him. If he firnly believed in 4-3-3 and a tighter passing, possession game, then why do we depart from that so much on the pitch, and why do our players back off so much in order to keep theoir formation. Its because, probably, the manager has a negative approach, and believes also in long ball football. Weere Ba’s comments today inaccurate ? Nope.
33 Indian Magpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM
last year they said ERDING was at ben10, turned out to be CISSE. May be something like that again.
34 Lachu // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM
Anyone remember NACHO .. who stayed with the toon for a year and yet dint even make Debut..Y not link us with him again .. I have had enuf of this transfers which are not goona happen .. lets Discuss Norwich and reading games.. lets talk football for once
35 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:48 PM
Hi Munster…How’s tricks?
36 Sir Braveheart // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:50 PM
@Beattie
I imagine its quite difficult to sign someone from abroad. If you played in England and an Italian/French/German team came in for you, you’d want to see the offer on the table, talk to the club to see what their plans are, go see the stadium and training facilities, discuss moving details (apartment, removal trucks etc) plus time to think about your options. Its no easy decision.
37 Munster Mag // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM
As I’ve been on a rant since saturday, can I also say that Santon looks like a REALLY BAD left back now? Little delivery going forward ( although great energy and technically good on the ball ) , crap and closing down his winger, as I have been saying all season. Its such a pity that we lost the Spaniard to Liverpool – on his days, wingers didnt even bother take him on!
38 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Sir Braveheart…Spot on. Using beatties example of house buying, you still have your surveys and due diligence to carry out before the deal happens.
We know the club don’t announce information of any kind, so as always, we’ll have to keep guessing.
But let’s admit it, most of us would get bored if it was too easy
39 Slank // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Not wanting to sound xenophobic but is there a limit to how many French players the club can / should have, in the sense that it could become a bit of a Gallic clique that may alienate other nationalities?
40 Robby Bobson // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Munster mag…that the guy hatem keepes leaving sprawling on the floor?
41 Munster Mag // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM
Not the best Ibiza – see comment around #140 on the last thread . An angry but accurate critique of whats going on with Pards.
42 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:56 PM
Braveheart
Debuchy is kipping at Cabayes and we all know how long that deal took so I don’t buy the last bit.
Cisse had to go back to Germany last year after his debut to get his geaar sorted. Those things come after the signing of the contract.
Those things are done via an agent a relayed to the player. He will also have contact with the French contingent and know all about the facilities.
I’m talking about the bids going in, the agreement being made and the talks happening with the player.
There is nothing but rumor and contradiction.
Like my old mam used to say, when everyone takes a grain of truth and tries to feed the world, the world starves to death on the promise of a loaf of lies.
she never actually said that but I though it was beautiful.
43 Munster Mag // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:56 PM
Robby, hoew many other didnt get a sniff out of the spaniard? A great buy for us, by Fat Sam I think. I have a feeling Sam bought us some decent talent?
44 Alan Pas-de-clue // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:57 PM
Its widely reported that Santon is a player who everybody knows has potential, but has always lacked belief and self confidence
Just a thought, but surely going up against HBA in training cant do much good for the poor lads morale
45 Slank // Jan 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM
Sir Braveheart,
Also clubs need time to find a replacement. It’s almost like a chain.
I believe we didn’t get Peters (or was it someone else) because there was no time left in the transfer window to find a replacement and therefore the deal collapsed.
I think the situation with Carroll was that the club couldn’t believe the amount Liverpool were offering and decided to grab it before commonsense prevailed at Anfield.
46 Indian Magpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM
llambias went to holland – no signings
llambias wnt to South America – no signings
llambias has now gone to france – no signings
Transfer budget has been eaten up on Llambias’s first class tickets
47 Alan Pas-de-clue // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:00 PM
Once fee and personal terms agreed with marseille, should be a straightforward deal as i believe OM have said they have enough firepower and will only be signing a replacement youngster (which is independent of our prospective deal)
48 Slank // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Beattie25
‘….Debuchy is kipping at Cabayes..’
I understand the club made a generous offer of a Z-bed but want it back when he has found his own house.
49 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Mais non, Slank! Vive la Chateaunouveaux!
50 Slank // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:05 PM
Tsunki,
Un grand merci
51 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:07 PM
Ian Toon -you posted Previously:-
“This Armagedon is not something I believe or want to contemplate”.
Brother Ian, cast this evil contemplation from thy mind, cast out thy sins which will lead thee on the path to Armagedon. It is the work of the Devil.
As a good shepherd I will lead you, a lost lamb back to the fold of righteousness, you will be redeemed of your false ways. Open your eyes to the path of hope. Salvation awaits you. Allelujah. Amen.
52 davis_toons // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM
SIGN Thomas Muller. Show us a WOW Factor.
This is one. He is tall and can control the Midfield.
This guy is having problem with ArjenRobben. There is a cheeky chance if we are genuine.
Without much creative in the middle of the field. A goal scorer like Cisse will find it hard as well.
53 Alan Pas-de-clue // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:10 PM
davis_toons
a chance.
are you on crack?
54 NorseToon // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Jonas, Cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Raylor, Saylor, Gosling. Thats SEVEN new signing. VIVA MIKE ASHLEY <3
55 spudzzz // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM
this is straight from the official Olympique marseille website:
http://www.om.net/fr/Saison/101005/Actualites/64659/Les_21_Olympiens_en_stage_au_Maroc
it says:
the 21 olympiens that went to Marrakech are
Samba, Mandanda, Mendes, Abdallah, Gignac, Remy, Nkoulou, Cheyrou, Bracigliano, Jobello, Mbow, Osei, Aloé, Omrani, Morel, Abdullah, Barton, J. Ayew, Fanni, Diawara, Valbuena
as you can see…Remy is quite obviously not in the UK to sign any contract
56 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM
Ibiza.
Please don’t try and patronize we are in a perilous situation and it is no laughing matter.
Football converse.
Ashley is a businessman and will not want to see his investment go probably very true but what has been shown time and time again is for whatever his business acumen he is completely clueless in the world of football ,if you disbelieve me I can point out the stats since he took over the helm.
57 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM
Beattie, Dude, who says Remy’s in Marrakesh – doesn’t name the attendees on the OM site.
Furthermore, this Francois Piraux character could be a French ITK – I expect they’ve got ‘em there too!
And, Slank, we’ve had ample times to get a Ba relacement as it was never a question of whether he’d go but when. Chelsea got him signed and playing in their cup tie, Pitypool got Sturridge lined up long before the window opened and playing as soon as they got him.
Debuchy? We had him signed but chose to wait until Chelsea announced Ba before announcing him – even then, he didn;t turn out. Don’t say he’d need time to get acquainted with the set up before kitting up, I remember a certain Faustino Asprilla turning out in the second half of a game (at Middlesbourough, I think) within hours of landing at Newcastle Airport.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way and I’m not sure that this current regime have no will to succeed – other than Llambias showing Ashley what a clever boy he is in keeping the P & L account in credit. A small fish in a big pond and he’s been trouble for this club from day one!
58 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:11 PM
Oh well we can celebrate that Dekka’s back…..he’ll be able to hold Pardew’s hand and guide him to ever reaching heights! FFS.
We needed players signed up early in this window and the only one is Debuchy…..don’t get me wrong gr8 news but he should’ve been signed last window so all terms and conditions were sorted. Currently we’re linked with Remy who has been injured and not a regular starter for OM……….c’mon what about the CBs, what about other prospects?! Dekka could sign him f’king name, let alone a player!
59 Sir Braveheart // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:12 PM
@Indian
Not a good record is it? Maybe we should send someone other than Llambias? Like Carr? Or the guy who tends the pitch? Or Kets?
60 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:12 PM
If Muller signs for us I shall bathe in a bath of ribena whilst 7 Greek man gather round and drink from the womb of a sacrificed goat.
61 Indian Magpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:12 PM
Muller has just signed a long term contract
62 wingspan // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/video/2013/jan/07/greek-children-goal-video
I wish we could score a goal like these under 10′s!!
63 davis_toons // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM
BA did 1 thing that is most right. That is to move on early on the transfer windows.
This leave the Newcastle management includes Pardew NO Chance of excuses.
64 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM
Spreadthetoon
Phew, we can celebrate now that Dekka’s back
– there’ll be dancing in the streets tonight and we can all relax safe in the knowledge that….. errrr, safe in the knowledge errrr….
65 davis_toons // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:16 PM
…ok, thanks for the infor on Muller. At least i can put that a side noe.
66 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:19 PM
Hasnt this got all the hallmarks of a classic “Toon” window with MA in charge! What a disgrace.
67 Marty-Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:20 PM
Would love to sign someone soon but hoping that paper stories are true isn’t what I’m gonna hang my hopes on.
Just hope to see ED put out a new post saying “such and such has signed for nufc “
68 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:20 PM
Jail…Patronize? By finding the idea of people putting NUFC banners over SD signs amusing? Come on now, I know people are wound up and rightly so, but what have I done to upset you?
69 GalwayToon // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:21 PM
With the TV sponsorship to treble next season, MA knows we must stay up. He wont take the risk. Spend an extra 3-4 mil to ensure two more transfers, whether it be the transfer cost or contract negotiations. We need players quick!
Debuchy, Remy and Tomkins would do.
70 SuperShearer // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:21 PM
Having watched the video of Aubameyang he looks preferable to Remy. I know, Youtube scouting but his movement off the ball is brilliant, and his finishing is audaciously great. Also he’s only 23 which means he fits more and more into Ashley remit and would add some much needed pace to Cisse. SIGN HIM UP!!!
71 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:22 PM
Is that medical a finished chapter or was it just another hoax?
72 geordiejamie89 // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM
I hear that Mike Ashley wants to make up for all his failings when it comes to signings in one go. That means Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar are on their way in.
73 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Extrcted from the Talk Sport site……
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Laurens: Newcastle is Remy’s most likely destination
By talkSPORT | Monday, January 7, 2013
talkSPORT’s French football expert Julien Laurens claims Loic Remy wasn’t interested in relegation fight with QPR and his most likely destination is Newcastle United…..’
[where at least he'd be in the company of French speakers during its relegation fight].
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74 Munster Mag // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Ibixa, who says we dont announce things? The club had been drip feeding Debuchy stuff for weeks! And Remy’s link to us is well dcuments and probably pumped by NUFC to show the ambition of the club. Can anyone give a decent account of what Remy is all about? I’ve heard he’s shit…..;( …..at 26 he either has it, or doesnt. And remember, we dont always make good signings – eg Gosling, Obertan, Santon ( cant defend for toffee ) , Simmo, Willo
75 davis_toons // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM
Im more interested in the kind of defender we will be bringing in.
We got to get someone Strong in. I will not mind one of those Stoke defenders. They were like rocks. Doest move much but block every single ball coming in.
Solid defending is what we need!
Of course with this management, there is 50% chances that they will come out with excuses on NO BUY.
76 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:26 PM
Jesper, the medical speculation was correct, I’ve just come out of the Freeman following a life insurance medical!
77 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM
lesh -spudzz is correct Remy is named as being in the party to Morocco.
78 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:31 PM
Still sad – Happy medical day,
79 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:31 PM
bills-son
Despite our spats in the past I respect you as a good poster and if points are to be won from years of supporting the Toon I think you have more than me,could you share a little insight as to what you think is going wrong at the minute.
80 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:32 PM
Galway, Ashley’s not got the time to be fannying o with the minute of football finances. Newcastle United is relatively small fry compared to the rest of his business empire and he employs a Managing Director to run the football side of things for him. He will surely be working on the basis of the wisdom and advise as provided by our football supremo – Mr Llambias.
That position sir, is the weakest link in Ashley’s his chain of command and Llambais will make sure that none of the schitt that is and will be flying, won’t land on him!
81 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Lesh…so how did it go?
82 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Thanks Mr Tuff but it may not be correct. Maybe the page was set up before Remy left to see us?
What a deluded fool I am – I really must go to the doc’s to get some tablets!!!!
83 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Newsflash from Casablanca, Morocco.
Moroccan man pictured with Dastardly. But I am not claiming a scoop.
Link:-
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?start=178&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&tbm=isch&tbnid=mv1kThyIEzfwDM:&imgrefurl=http://www.friendlypla
84 Alan Pas-de-clue // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:36 PM
Aubameyang and a physical commanding cb leader please
85 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Apologies previous link does not work just tried it.
86 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM
all we need is a French manager
87 GAZ09 // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Settle down guys we still have 24 days to sign our players, didn’t Pardew also say that the next player would possibly be signed after the Norwich game?
88 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Failed Jesper, as soon as they confirmed that with me being a Newcastle lad I followed Newcastle United, they arranged an appointment with a psychiatrist for me!
I’ll probably be sectioned and in a nice tight-fitting jacket by this time next week.
Then…. the plot of ;one Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest’ will unfold in St Nicks!! Watch out for further developments.
89 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:40 PM
* ‘One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest’
90 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:41 PM
What about the next young Drogba……Bafetimbi Gomis…….could be a good signing but not sure if he would be a good mix for Cisse?
91 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:41 PM
…well what a let down
(good thing I didn’t count on it)
Any good news?
92 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM
Record under Pardew when we have gone a goal behind in the PL:
LLLLDLLLDLDLDLLLLDLLLLDDDLLLLLLL
Do a barrel roll.
93 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM
Probably Tommy Cooper (bless him) that;s with Llambias! Two comedians together
94 Toon_Jock // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Has Christmas come early or late?
95 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM
* must practice on the quote mark (‘) and semi colon (;) keys!
96 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM
is Sepp Blatter f****** high???
97 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM
I’d be surprised if I got a striker over the line before Norwich, if I’m honest.
98 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM
Thanks for asking jesper and no, it’s not been a good few weeks.
I went into hospital for an R-sole transplant and it rejected me!
99 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:45 PM
lesh -when I checked earlier on there was no team sheet of who was on the trip – later about 3pm> the team sheet was announced. They’ve just said another player is joining the squad -but cannot glean anything from that ie a replacement. So were stuck!
100 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:46 PM
We need to get 4 balls or more over the line before January ends.
101 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:46 PM
Munster….Quite a piece there
Don’t disagree with it all and to be honest it is perfectly understandable that fans are restless and want answers. This season has been a eye opener for all (I know some of you are going to say your eyes were open before, we’re all idiots, etc etc).
I have said before that I will accept being wrong. However, I am not happy to accept that yet, as that is not how I view it.
Let’s start with the juicy one….Arise Alan Pardew!
Do I think he’s a top manager? No, nor do I think many people think he is. I do however think he is a good manager. There are major question marks over his consistency, but it’s pointless arguing it either way as he has generally found himself without a job when the goings got tough so who knows what could have happened.
People talk about him loving hoofball and that our good run of performances (I say that and not results) last season was all down to the players as if they just completely went against what Pardew was instructing them to do – Give me a break is my only answer there
To try and give a quick answer of how I feel…
I think Pardew did well last season overall. Room for improvement for sure, but better than anyone of us expected. Anyway, that’s gone.
He clearly wanted new players in the summer and I think he believed he would get them in. I imagine his confidence has taken a battering this season, which leaves room to debate whether it’s so far gone that he now can’t turn it around – which is a possibility.
The board decided that we’d be okay until January and that they could resume with their revolution of how to buy players then. They underestimated the challenge ahead and got it wrong. I should say now, as I have before, that whilst I wanted new players in (CB, FB and an attacking winger type) I thought we’d be okay until January. Not that we didn’t need new players, but certainly didn’t expect to be where we are today – My hands are up!
I think we started with a fair bit of arrogance this season, so much so that the players (and possibly the manager too) forgot about the hard work ethic that got us going last year. Let’s not forget that the first part of the season wasn’t all about Ba banging in goals, many fans were writing him off (during his ramadan spell), but hard work got us that run of results, nothing else really. From there we got confidence and were ready to take the world on.
I think Pardew has been naive in thinking that little issues would sort themselves out soon enough, whilst not good, i do understand why to an extent – I’ve been so shocked with some of the players this season compared to last.
People say he should have mixed it up a bit more. It may have worked, but really who is he going to call on?
Injuries and suspensions aren’t our only problem, but they are a big problem. I believe we’ve been near if not top of that table most of the season.
People will then point to other teams who do okay with similar players to our non “purples” – why can’t we beat them without our top guys? Well, we don’t play those non-purples week in week out. They are set up with a system as they don’t have the same players we should have at our disposal, basically they are used to having to deal with what they have (bare bones) whereas sadly, we’re not.
There is work to be done at the club, no doubt. But it’s one step at a time for me.
I believe if the board can pick up one or two more players (CB and ST/Winger/whatever) and with our returning players we can start to build up momentum again. Whilst we’ve lost a load of games, can’t think of many where we’ve been slaughtered as far as the result goes, so if we can get some confidence going, I think those would turn in to wins pretty soon.
There is some light at the end of the tunnel, once we reach it further questions should be asked and answers seeked, I just feel right now people are biting off a bit more that we can chew.
As for the Brighton game. What a waste of space. Not a leader on the pitch which was sad to watch. Is that lack of confidence in the manager or in the team around them? I have no idea.
I truly hope the board back him this month and give him a chance, as I will always be wondering what if?
End of the day though, if I thought we’d get in a great manager I’d be game, but really what would we get and is it what we need long term or even short term? I doubt it.
102 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Looks like you’ve clarified that Mr Tuff, thanks and another waste of a day by the useless twits
103 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM
So NUFC delegation went to France……………can anyone tell me about anything they actually achieved. Even Torq Toon said it was completely dead noises in France which is very unusual……could it be that Dekka went over for a quick break…..I’m mean seriously the rest of the EPL is moving while the cronies as SJP are standing still…………..
104 geoff777 // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:48 PM
Great article except for the unrealistic Laurent Blanc part.
Unrealistic because I can’t see Llambias and Ashley wanting a French manager.
The rest is spot on.
http://www.toonbano.com/2013/01/laurent-blanc-to-become-next-newcastle.html?#.UOsI-ORT8bA
105 danuneek // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM
FFS just sign him. How hard can it be?
106 obatoyou // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:49 PM
Leah @ 525
U crack me up brother
107 danuneek // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM
I’ve had enough!!!
108 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:51 PM
My apologies for that. So unlike me to do long posts…
Munster at 74….Okay, but we all knew about Debuchy anyway. Remy we don’t know really what’s going on.
Are you really saying the club are upfront and vocal with what they’re doing and that if they were trying to do a deal quietly they wouldn’t or couldn’t?
109 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:51 PM
now what the hell is going on? if you’re not watching the Ballon D’or , consider yourself lucky
110 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:51 PM
Ibiza…you use to be one of the good guys, but then you turn out such a long read
…and I have a short attention span lol
111 Toon-Prodigy // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:52 PM
There is a huge problem with the lack of quality in our pool of first team players. I.e. The quality of players we have as cover is huge. This should of been rectified in the summer. Just look at what we have been doing this season and the massive jump in quality from our first team 11 to the cover we have:
Simpson – Tav, Anita, Perch
Colo – Perch, Tav, Williamson
S. Taylor – Perch, Tav, Williamson
Santon – Ferguson, R Taylor
Ben Arfa – Sammy, Obertan, Cisse
Tiote – bigi, vuckic, Gosling, Anita
Cabaye – bigi, vuckic Gosling, Anita
Jonas – Sammy, ferguson, Obertan
Ba & Cisse – Shola, ranger, campbell
My point is the cover simply is not good enough, and this is the boards fault for not bringing in the adequate cover in the summer. The jump in talent and quality is enormous. This is not Pardews fault, it was not his gamble. It was the boards. We have had no consistency, no rhythm, which results in no winning formula being found. No one has had a chance of being comfortable at any stage on the pitch this season, where they have a good run in the position they would favour with the players around them they would prefer.
We need good quality first team players brought in this window as cover. And to upgrade what we already have. We have started that via Debuchy. If simpson goes which he will then we should be looking at adequate cover there aswell. This is how a football club should run. Not by buying adaptable players who can maybe do a job here and there on their day. The board seriously need to address this problem this window, if they dont I worry for the future of NUFC.
112 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:54 PM
mattyNUFC
Please elaborate…
113 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM
jesper….I am sorry, truly. As I saw the length of it I did give myself a quick slap
114 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:57 PM
Jail…You still about?
115 JAMSHA // Jan 7, 2013 at 5:59 PM
http://m.guardiannews.com/football/2013/jan/07/marseille-loic-remy-newcastle
116 adamstoonarmy // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM
where do people make all this shit up from on here? all you ever hear is stupid rumours that never happen and get linked to about 30 people every transfer window…..
remy would be a great signing but if we dont do anything soon then wave goodbye to him!! how can QPR lodge a bid but we cant?? all these injuries are killing us this year, still dont mean we should lose some games how we have
117 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM
I think Santon is a great signing. He just has shattered confidence. He needs a coach to help him progress so that he ends up at Real Madrid rather than one who will see him end up playing for Wigan.
He’s been a one man team at times this season. He just needs someone to talk to him and lead that backline. That has disappeared and so has Santons form and confidence.
118 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:01 PM
Ibiza @ 101
God that was a painful read…..what exactly are you getting at……..fear of loosing AP knowing he’s not right……but better to know the devil you know than the one you don’t?
Seriously if AP did not have this 8 yr contract he would have gone by now. I do not accept that we wait patiently for the injured players to come back….cos’ by then the season will be over. I agree AP has not been backed by MA/DL but any self-respecting mgr would not stand for it……sadly AP will….and so we will continue to get the same results.
Also AP has been tactically naive and negative this season, he now talking a negative game to the press as well…..its hardly inspiring….is that a club you would want to play for…..? (course we would but I’m talking about the average professional footballer btw).
119 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:02 PM
Cliffnotes:
Pardew good not great +plus justification for that.
Brighton game – awful game
Wouldn´t mind great manager, but probably can’t get one.
120 bzak12 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:05 PM
Spreadthetoon
I hope Dekka and his mob when to France to sound out Lauren Blanc and he’s come back to sack Pardue.
121 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:10 PM
http://www.bfmtv.com/sport/mercato-aubameyang-piste-newcastle-418560.html
122 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:10 PM
So as wa mentioned last night a team of krul debuchy santon colo saylor. Tiote. Cabaye. Anita. Marveaux. Cisse Ben arfa, is a handfull for anyone in the premiership!
Hopefully another couple of qualitiy players in and we can go forward from that point imo
Once willo simmo percho jonaso R out of our team we will be different proposition, but if AP continues with his favs we will continue to struggle they really are just back up at best, sick of looking at them.
And of course we needed that CB and RB in the summer but that was meant to push us on towards the champs league, not one person would have said we would be were we are not even jail or munster!
And the cost we got debuchy for shows that it was the same offered in the summer so it was the lille president who blocked the move as debuchy said!!!
I wont deviate that it is the fault of the teams That AP has put out and the formations he has used, he has continually played players responsible for us loosing game after game, and his excuses and dispicable performance of the team he put out on saturday shows to me that if he sticks aith players used most of this season ie willo simmo jonas an perch then we are going to be in even deeper pony, he better wKe up and swallow his ego, or ge will be getting his P45 Nd he will deserve it.
123 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:10 PM
Lesh…so no R-sole
124 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:10 PM
Ibiza
No,im on me holidays i Bali and getting wrong of the wife for blogging .
125 niafron // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Bonsoir messieurs.
Do not have time, so will be brief.
The site who give the news about Rémy just went back 40 minutes ago.
A Marseille player just confirmed Rémy was in Morocco with the team.
Here is the link (in french) to the site (and the new article):
http://www.lephoceen.fr/infos-om/transferts/bon-loic-remy-on-en-est-ou-le-point-sur-le-transfert-de-l-attaquant-de-l-om-lors-de-ce-mercato-108410
The pic of Rémy in Marakech:
http://twitter.com/TeamOM_Officiel/status/288345501835866112/photo/1
Honnestly, i will not risk myself about the credibility of this site.
Anyway, the net isn’t sure, as long as it’s not in the press or in tv (and in a serious media), this only rumours for me.
126 catchy in norway // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:11 PM
ibiza,,
mostly a lot of drivel trying to justify why we are down there playing crap, without coming out and pointing a finger
its him or him maybe him
let me just say that for our full half season with some games close to his best team and some with his second team, we do not look like we have trained on passing the ball,
we do not look fit
our 2 best games where against man u and ars, with no jonas HBA cabaye in the midfield,
these things i know 100% are down to pardew, no amount of new players will make them pass any better or look any fitter
in any job in life, we all do the best we can, but we try and get away with things to. unfortunitly for footballers , top teams have thousands of eyes watching them, and if these players are not putting it in on match day, the fans let them know, if they continue, the manager gets sacked,,
if he does not win v norwich, i dont fancy his chances with the fans back at home v reading
127 nightfa11 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM
http://www.toonbano.com/2013/01/laurent-blanc-to-become-next-newcastle.html#.UOsN-HeCpNs
good read=)
128 niafron // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM
Bonsoir messieurs.
Do not have time, so will be brief.
The site who give the news about Rémy just went back 40 minutes ago.
A Marseille player just confirmed Rémy was in Morocco with the team.
The pic of Rémy in Marakech:
http://twitter.com/TeamOM_Officiel/status/288345501835866112/photo/1
Honnestly, i will not risk myself about the credibility of this site.
Anyway, the net isn’t sure, as long as it’s not in the press or in tv (and in a serious media), this only rumours for me.
129 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:13 PM
Spread…..Well one more apology wont hurt me, sorry for the painful read, it was in response to Munster who used a bullet point system, didn’t really work for what I wanted to say as I clearly don’t view the situation as clear cut as others.
Alan Pardew is not right for what exactly? Being in the CL each season? Then no, he’s probably not. Then I ask do we have the owner to be a CL club each season at the moment and you know the answer to that.
I think given who Ashley is and how I assume he wants the club to operate that Pardew is a decent enough manager to have us at least top 10 by season close and pushing for EL.
We were nowhere near the finished article last season, we all discussed it. To get where we want under Ashley it will take time and there will be curve balls along the way. Not trying to belittle the situation as a mere “curve ball”, but I hope you get my point (trying to avoid another lengthy post).
Why drive out a manager who is only going to be replaced by someone similar or worse?
As for him not being self respecting for not walking out on the club due to frustration, well that would do us a great deal of good.
He has been naive this season. It’s been a right f*** up. I’m talking about small steps to turn the corner and then re-evaluate with calmer heads.
As for players not wanting to come now, pretty sure we still manager to sign a french international who will know better than any of us how the players are currently feeling about things. If it was that bad inside the club, I do doubt he’d have signed.
130 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:14 PM
Nothing new in that article. Posted it since I got server error on google translate. I got it working now.
131 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:15 PM
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/130107/aston-villa-plot-%C2%A312m-bid-swansea-star-188771?
132 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:16 PM
Jail….I meant on the blog, which it seems you are. How was I patronizing? Hope you’re enjoying your holiday, I imagine you’d enjoy it more away from the blog.
Sazzer….Definitely shorter.
133 SeanNufc87 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM
Anyone comparing the ba transfer to that of Remy is a fool, Chelsea didn’t have to agree a fee they just bid 7 n a half and then it was up to ba and Chelsea and even then it took over a week. calm down!
134 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:18 PM
Ibiza…you need to stop with those long posts or I’ll have to give you a timeout
lol
…can’t we all just meey half way and agree we have the wrong owner who clearly is not a Newcadtle fsn; our manager plays without any philosophy and he has no identity and our players have been arrogant for better part of the season. There – settled
lol
135 tonynufc // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:18 PM
@OM_Officiel: Les Olympiens et Loïc #Remy se sont entraînés à Marrakech où ils sont en stage #OM http://t.co/XJpmpFy1
136 niafron // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM
I translate the post of Tony:
The Olympians and Loïc Rémy trained in Marrakech where they are in preparation.
137 tonynufc // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM
Oh well all rumours of him being here are all bullshit. Photo coming from om. Proud. I see u got it wrong this time
138 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM
Catchy…I’ll take your word on that then mate, the master of drivel.
Look, as I said before I don’t see it as clear cut as some of you, therefore I will need to justify my thoughts and opinions. Sometimes it’s a little harder to do so when you’re not just ranting someones name followed by out and an exclamation mark.
I do think about things and what I think of feel, justification or a way of life? How do we form an opinion without questioning and justification? Let me guess, we just know deep in our core and there can’t be anything else to consider?
139 niafron // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:21 PM
Got to go Lads.
Bonne soirée messieurs.
140 Billythefish // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:21 PM
We have some very good players in our first team, I worry if we are not active in this window the players will become more disillusioned with our board, and the rot really sets in. Pardew has to grow a pair and not revert back to players coming back from injuries. In the past when players have came back we know it takes 2-3-4 games to get them fully match fit. We need a quality CB and CF at the least. Then if things don’t improve at least the powers that be have tried to do something, rather than gamble things will be ok. I go to all home games and Pardew lacks a plan B in 99% of the matches we have played this season.
141 tonynufc // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:22 PM
I guessed that niafron
142 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:23 PM
Jesper…Don’t worry, I think I’m going to give myself a time out soon.
I’ll try and work out what meey is during said timeout
143 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:23 PM
That picture of Remy looks badly photo-shopped to me!
Look at the players feet and Remy’s head.
Fake.
I think he is in Morocco but that pic doesn’t prove it.
144 Jail for Ashley // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:24 PM
Ibiza
How can you enjoy life without this blog
145 johnboy // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:24 PM
Someone mentioned the castrol rankings earlier, has anyone had a look t it? Lescott rated 3rd best defender in the world! I think I’ll stick to using footy manager to see if anyone is any good!
146 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:25 PM
Beattie…I was thinking the water bottle looked photo-shopped. He’s clearly holding a greggs delicacy.
147 tenpointnine // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM
Sazzer@ 121
Translation:
Newcastle started looking for a striker this winter to replace Demba Ba, left for Chelsea. The Magpies have made Loic Remy priority. For now, OM striker has not yet responded to the English rulers. If Remy does not seem hot to join Queens Park Rangers, it would be interested in the challenge of Newcastle.
According to our information, the Magpies still working on other tracks if Remy would decline their offer. In this context, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is targeted. Alan Pardew, the Newcastle coach, appreciates profile scorer from AS Saint-Etienne
148 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM
It is a fake pic.
It is OM training and the picture behind had been put there.
I have an eye for this kind of thing.
149 drivershigh // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM
http://www.lephoceen.fr/videos/zap-info/zap-la-derniere-image-de-remy-a-l-om-108406
Interesting end to the video…
150 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM
Jail…Not sure, haven’t tried it. I do remember a happier time though….I think
Are we studiously avoiding the patronizing comment then?
151 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM
Ibiza…could you work out fsn as well
152 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM
Is that Gignac behind Remy? haha
153 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:28 PM
Guy to the left.
154 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:29 PM
Jesper…Everyone knows what a fsn is!
155 GAZ09 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:29 PM
That photo of Remy is fake, the guy on the left looks like he’s hovering!
156 sula // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:30 PM
Laurent blanc hell yes but thats me wishing. Still plenty of time get rid of this clown Pardew. Why does ashley just not sell up and go and do anything else just not run this football club. Where are all these biG ARABS when you need them. its getting all to old now and the best part is many actually believe pardew is the right man for the job heres to me having a laugh looooool. For gods sake pardew just wake up and throw in the towel already cause we are not in the mood to go down again.
157 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM
Llambias for manager!
158 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM
There is certainly an inconsistency with the pictures you can tell that the lighting of Remy and his fellow trainers doesn’t match the light of the background. It looks like the photo has JPEG parts that have been saved over and over again.
159 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM
Fake twitter account as well?
160 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Beattie
It’s not just Santon without confidence but the whole team and probably even Pardew too as he is not stupid enough to think he has made no mistakes.
Just goes to show that confidence is almost worth another couple of players on the pitch and is a very elusive quality to build or lose. Quality in our starting 11 isn’t enough with low morale and l;opw confidence
161 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Transfer- Thanks for the update. I appreciate the latest speculation.
Munster- i thought a 5 year deal contract would have achieved the same claim to stability. It really does not matter because I am sure the contract is performance related. The real difference between us relates to mitigation. My contention is that signings in the summer would not have left us in such a parlours state. We’re not flies on Pardew’s wall but many post as if they are. Whether other managers would have coped better with the number of injuries and suspensions plus the extra games who knows! I can only repeat that the lack of squad depth and with Simpson and Williamson as regulars we suffered. My biggest
regret was that very few youngsters stepped up to the plate and hit a home run( I love American terminology) – you could argue that your behaving like a Monday morning quarterback. Enough, only Anita, Bigi and recently Marveaux have advanced their cause by making a worthwhile contribution. Elliot and. Dummett (!) look as if they could.. I feel that Pardew needs signings and players back from injury
before things will look up. Let judgement come once our PL future is determined.
Mister Tuff- I can’t visualise you in a religious order . More likely to be a chain gang with Catchy and Rotonda. You would be singing O Brother , where art thou? HOWEVER, in a religous order if you cast out your sins you should reasonably expect redemption and no armagedon! The Shepherd you refer to who is he? I always had my doubts about Freddy and his trophy signings.
162 tonynufc // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:33 PM
It’s on om official website
163 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:34 PM
Beattie…Is this picture posted by the OM official page?
164 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:34 PM
PARLOUS state -oops
165 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:34 PM
Surely a marseille page with 500 thousand followers would not post fake pictures? It looks like an official page and quite frankly I’m sick off all this Remy talk. We’ve had ITK’s claiming 48 hours and its done, we’ve heard he is in Newcastle when he clearly isn’t and has said he doesn’t want to play in the EPL but in Italy or Spain. If he doesn’t want to play in this league then he isn’t going to come unless the money is great at a top club or he is persuaded by his friends like Benny. If some of you believe Benny is off then he isn’t going to tell him to come is he. It’s all speculation and BS again. I would start thinking of other powerful and pacey strikers if I were you because it’s either a smokescreen or we can’t come to a deal.
With the current group of players available I’m really not sure what side we can put out this weekend. Debuchy is a tricky customer and him and santon could bring balance and threats on both side so long as they don’t get caught out. Ideally we would have Ben Arfa, Taylor and cabaye back to make a 4:5:1 with Anita, Marv and ober but at the minute it’s a struggle to put a quality eleven out. Unless Jonas is back I think we will see Marv, cabaye, bigi, Anita, ober in midfield
166 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM
So because it is an official page they cannot either post fakes or be duped into posting fakes?
167 NUFC_LEAZES END // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:38 PM
I say sign remy or aubemeyang or whatever, then get a decent cb in. We also need that Brazilian touch to our squad, so we need to sign a Brazilian player.
168 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:40 PM
Billythefish, AP’s lack of tactical nous has really cost us and he and carver and stone need to have a reality check away from his ridiculous over cautious long ball approach.
He just hasnt got another way to get our team playing, plus the players he plays Re not capable of playing to a system ie perch cant wait to get the ball of his feet as soon as he gets it, bloody awful, hopeless defender of crosses the worst in the club for me, willo we all know about, simmo, we all know about awful!!! Sammy and obertan i dont even know if they know the war is over thick as fcuk, totally inconsistant and the displays on saturday were some of the worst i have ever witnessed in All my time watching the toon.
Shape this up now and get these players playing with a meaning and with a passion, we are out the FAcup agIn beacuse yet again they have shown no passion and team play.
169 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:41 PM
Beattie…Well stranger things have happened, but I’d imagine they wouldn’t bother to make and post a fake picture and not sure who would be duping them in to doing so? Probably that pesky Pardew.
170 tonynufc // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:42 PM
http://Www.om.net. Click on the French flag on the right at the top. There you. Come on lads stop clutching on straws to wether or not its fake.
171 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:42 PM
Beattie I was asking a question pal not ruling it out. I just fail to see how an official page would post a picture of remy if they know his whereabouts. He probably is in Marrakech but whether its a fake photo or not I couldn’t give a 5hit. Even if he is over there it doesn’t mean he won’t sign but it still highlights how full of 5h1t some fans are winding others up
172 wreker16 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:46 PM
Anyone watching ballon dor
Puskas award is a joke, best goal (scorpion kick) didn’t make the top three
Team of the year with massive la liga bias, how alves and piqué get in after such average seasons I don’t know.
I felt Buffon shoul have been keeper ahead of casillas.
173 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:46 PM
I agree that Remy is likely in Morocco but even Niafron said he wouldn’t risk his reputation on the credibility of the site.
It just scream fake to me and I din’t mean to sound like I was getting my back up.
Wow…i’m learning how to talk to people…
174 wreker16 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:47 PM
Having said there is a bias, it is the strongest league (if not the most competitive) in the world
175 OneAlanShearer // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:48 PM
I don’t believe for one second that Blanc would join us or that Ashley would pay for him. Plus I’d be gutted to lose Pardew. He’s done nothing wrong. Played the hand he’s been dealt. Ashley’s not going to suddenly give a new manager a big war chest. Total bull.
176 robin // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Im the only one on here who knows anything about football the cretins that annoy me with the drivel and weird ideas should belt-up. Pardew has to go thats beyond doubt he will be gone before the months out the next manager will have to ship out all the shite this blokes failed to sort out Williamson,ameobis,amilfatano,elliot,colocini,simpson, ranger,ferguson,abied vukic,tavernier,harper,jonas all out totally useless! I have spoken so take note losers!
177 catchy in norway // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM
Ibiza
Ov corse there are many things to think about,
But you even admitted that last season whilst not being pretty on the eye you liked the results, take the results away and this is what your left with,
He set out last season to score , take a lead then defend , and it worked for him, it got him results, this season apart from 2 games he set out not to concede , before even scoring, hoping that HBA would do magic for him
You have admitted that his subs are strange along with his after match comments , those have been there since he got here,
Be honest, a few weeks ago, did Pardew come out and make it look like remy was going to sign on jan the first, he was bagging on about ba and how it was all going to be sorted out soon,
You have had 2 years of this, sitting on the fence still , hmmmm
I think if there was a straight yes or no poll asking should he be sacked , I think there would be more yeses than nos ,
The only thing keeping some from sayin yes is the fear of who we might get next, that’s no reason to keep someone
We will go down with him
178 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:50 PM
The medical must have beem cancelled because our main targets had to go to the Ballon D’or. =)
179 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:51 PM
Wrecker la liga is a great league but what happens in world football reminds me of our domestic league. A young English players moves to man united or Chelsea an all of a sudden he get an England call up and more press and is bigged up even more so. Like if Benny was playing for Chelsea.
180 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:52 PM
Does anyone else have any knowledge about detecting a photoshop?
Look at the outline of Remy’s left leg and around his head. Look to the feet of the man to his left. Look how big that ball is with the player behind. If brought forward that ball would be like a beach ball.
I’m not sure why they would fake it but I am pretty sure that ain’t real!
181 sula // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM
Ian toon
Are you saying that with this crop of players this is the best we can do? come on stop this defending pardew nonsense and except it he doesnt have a clue. Last season we played average aswell and many many results went our way. Why can your pardew not play the ball on the ground? his set pieces are so predictable. Corners well lets not even go there. The players dont look like they want to play under him anymore do you blame them? We are 2 points of the drop and for the life of me i cant see who we are going to beat. So sorry but i dont share your views and even with all our stars coming back i still cant see how he is going to change things they are not even match fit. So that means they need how many games to get back to full fitness.
182 JAMSHA // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:53 PM
official.site says remy is indeed n Morocco … so no transfer deals gona happn…i think.dats it…debuchy is the only signg
183 catchy in norway // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Transfer
You never called me out about saying I want us to lose every game, you have changed my words to suit your argument
I said I don’t mind losing games if it ment we got rid of him quicker,
That’s not me saying I want us to lose, I hurt just as much as others when we get beat, prob more than most cos I can see it happening, most fans on here on Pardews side most not care as much, they make as many excuses as him,
Senagal FA
184 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:55 PM
Catchy
“Be honest, a few weeks ago, did Pardew come out and make it look like remy was going to sign on jan the first, he was bagging on about ba and how it was all going to be sorted out soon,”
Find me where pardew said remy would sign on the first and i’ll buy you a season ticket
He daid the demba situation would be sorted at ASAP we only sold on thursday ffs
185 GeordieTwo // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM
Have to say I agree with almost everything Toon Bano says in his article. The amount of bollocks we have to swallow from Ash/Llam every season is unbelievable. A waste of space, both of them. Continual series of apologies from players and manager alike for pathetic displays. Many of the games this season have been an embarrassment to the supporters and the city. They are immediately followed by excuses of ever sort from Pardew. We have a lot of injuries, we have to play too many games, we didn’t strengthen in the summer, me mam’s got in ingrown toenail blah blah blah. On and on and I expect nothing but more of the same.
186 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM
Beattie I’m just a little tired of the Remy talk, it reminds me or every other window with Sturridge, nzogbia, gervinho, Carroll, gameiro and erdinc all coming to mind.
I might need to take a break from the blog for a while, it less stressful avoiding some of the stuff that gets written. It gets my back up when the press write 5h1t so when I see other fans claiming to be ITK or Chinese whispers taking place It grinds on me. Some fans do it to take the p1ss as well and i take our transfer activity very seriously
187 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM
Nick 9
You mean erdincs not coming?
188 tonynufc // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:57 PM
Come on man Beattie give a rest and admit it. He was there. Still don’t mean he won’t travel over tho.
189 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:58 PM
Evening gents,
Well it has been an eventful few days, I, like many of you, have been licking my wounds from the weekend’s painful defeat.
So where do we go from here? I would class myself as one of Pardew’s supporters but I must admit that I was hoping that, given our poor PL standing, that we would give the FA Cup a real crack and it seems that he put out a side that was simply not good enough to win at the weekend. While one could state that this is poor management on Pards’ part I have tried to look at it from all angles.
I think Pardew is genuinely concerned with our PL form and that we are relegation fodder unless we get it sorted, so in an attempt to save certain players for the PL he put on our younger players and reserve players to try and get us through. However, what I think has become painfully clear to Pardew is that there are players in the squad that are simply not good enough to play for us, or are 1/2 seasons away from being ready to play first team football and that really comes across in his interviews after the match, while he had hoped his second team would be good enough, they clearly were found wanting.
While it hurts to find ourselves where we are I now think that the “excuses” or naivety rather, has come to an end, on both Pardew’s part and in the boardroom, we need quality, not just youngsters but genuine quality, we needed it in the summer and Pardew complied with his owner’s belief that we could muddle through, I don’t think he is as compliant any more and is cheesed off by being let down. Give him the players he wants, give him the time to sculpt a strong side playing good football and if he still cannot do it then perhaps we should look at alternatives, but not a second before.
190 papattack // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:59 PM
jamsha
nufc have been over to france to negotiate with him and try to sell the toon to him (massively hard task at the minute) now he’s making his mind up. still a possibility
191 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 6:59 PM
Regarding Remy signing on Jan 1st, it pails in comparison to the facts.
The fact is that we sold Best, let Lover-man leave and never replaced them. We were spoon fed the potential of young Campbell as distraction and how many games has he played?!
It is one big fcuk up and we can play the he said she said shite all season long. End of the day all 3 of Ashley, Llambias and Pardew have bent us over and gone wild on our asses.
There remains those who will take it and those who won’t.
192 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM
Come on over 200 set plays since we scored a goal and that daft ball over to williamson most of the time shows how incompetent our coaching staff are, no excuses it’s pathetic, yet we keep conceding at set plays at the same time and continually from crosses, enough is enough
I still support the regime on the whole but the manager even though we did well last season has for me really mucked this season up injuries or not if im being honest!!!!
193 alf // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:01 PM
All the crap that should go after Pardew, Ranger,ameobis colcini,jonas,williamson,elliot,vuckic,tavernier,abied amilfatano ferguson and simpson all totally useless get rid inferior Championship rubbish who make NUFC a joke!
194 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:01 PM
Tads couldn’t agree a fee for erdinc. They wanted 7.5 million sterling but we only wanted to pay 7.5 million euros. Heartbreaking.
195 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM
CAtchy 180
You have said on several occasions you wanted us to lose. I seem to recall you were also pleased certain players were injured but that might have been another troll.
You are full of shite
196 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM
I didn’t say that Remy isn’t there, I said the likelyhood is that he is there.
However a fake photo is a fake photo.
197 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:02 PM
Nick 9
Nooooooooooooooooo! Him and barnetta were so happy in the jesmond together!
198 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM
Ian Toon @159
Brother Ian, oops I’ve just noticed you like americanisms, I’d better start again.
Yoh dude, howdy doody, waz happnin in the hood bro. Oh I do not like this type of rapper talk I had better resort to normal.
You deny my offer to lead you out of the wilderness and suggest I should be in prison with some fellow bloggers, Catchy and Rotonda, cast not your evil thoughts onto others. But fear not I will cleanse the souls of all sinners, I am the good shepherd who will lead you on the true path of football support. Hear not the message of the false prophet Percy Parsnip -he is the agent of Lucifer. I will lead you, a lost lamb, into the fold of reality. Throw yourself to the ground and your sins will be absolved.
Halleluljah.Amen.
199 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM
Ruddy
Most of what you say is fair but to say the excuses have gone is a little misguided.
200 wreker16 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM
Ed we new a sack pardew poll to settle this,
Sack him now
Sack him end of season
Don’t sack him
201 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Beattie that i do agree with. We have needed a cb for ages and signed bloody sol Campbell on loan and kuqi. We lost best and lovenkrands in the summer knowing fullwell that ranger and Xisco weren’t up to much. We also lost two more senior players in smith and Guthrie yet only signed Anita. Hardly the sign of an ambitious club, they gambled on injuries and youngsters doing ok as well all know. We’re actually at our worst now for injuries than all season. Luckily two or three are back soon but we’ve still lost Simpson and perch recently and Ba and tiote have gone.
202 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:06 PM
Beattie
Im not denying those players should of been replaced
Just that catchy cant seem to build a debate without twisting and sometimes just make up his own ‘facts’ to fit his drull repetitive shite
203 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:07 PM
West Hams new signing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvkjROs1DEQ
204 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM
wreker
too complicated
Keep Pardew? or Sack Pardew?
simple
205 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:08 PM
Ibiza
There in lies the problem with Laurel and Hardy running things….it does not exactly inspire or attract a top manager.
NUFC is a big club and as such should have a big manager to propel our image abroad etc….do not think AP does that.
Again I except that injuries have not been good, and will have impacted on our performances but certain things IMO are just very badly wrong?
1. We cannot defend
2. We cannot defend set pieces
3. We cannot score from corners
4. We cannot score v. often from set pieces
There are just 4 things which IMO are bread and butter for any team of coaches. Then there is the fact that we have not won a single match away this season. Okay you say SJP is a fortress….is it? Not with AP at the helm. We have NEVER won in the league from conceding first! But I guess we can blame all this on injuries, a thin squad, the youngsters, MA, DL and of course next the fans for not being vocal enough! Eventually you run out of excuses…..I think AP is arrogant and he is unwilling to act with humility and admit he’s got this season v. badly wrong,…..until he admits this to himself…we’ll continue to be served up the same ol’ dross. AP IMO is a Championship manager….give me CH any day of the week! Oh but we won’t change manager cos’ of the owner…..and lets face it he has not a great deal of interest in NUFC, it’s just another business opportunity for him………so I guess we’re stuck with AP! Hooray
206 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Beattie
You are right we are seriously short of any sensible approach to player recruitment except that they must be accumulating assets who can be sold at a profit if we go down.
As far as forwards go we need a LW CF RW to play a decent front line for a 4-3-3 and though HBA (and apparently Cabs according to AP) can play in the hole in a 4-4-1-1, we do not have a good left sided forward. Remy is not that guy but Aubeymeyang might be. There seems little logic in how we are trying to replace Ba.
The five year plan is a joke, thought up by businessmen to cover their tracks when it goes tits-up
207 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:09 PM
sula- I don’t have a problem with you not sharing my opinion. I would point out that this group of players you refer to does not include those that are long term injured , injured etc. Potentially come the end of the month there could be as many changes as 6 to the starting side. It is easy to find fault when things are not going well. As i repeatedly have said, time will tell.
208 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM
TADS
Wasn’t really aimed at you but was made in conjunction with your post.
Catchy is wrong in his assessment but all I was saying is that there is no point arguing with him with the Ba replacement waffle but rather ask the question why a striker wasn’t lined up to join Ba and Cisse on Jan 1st.
We are being screwed over again and again and again.
What was that that someone posted the other day about repetition being the mistress of insanity?
209 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:11 PM
Oh and I’m having serious doubts about the Ameoba bros too now, despite legend status for Strolla
210 RonVanDam // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM
I like the way Chelsea do business, abramovich shows them the money and gets the deal done. Rumours are that they have signed Taison for 11m. Why cant MA and DL do business as swift as this guy when they are both billionaires.
211 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:12 PM
Toon Prodigy here.
Iv managed to bollox my password up.. So will be under this name until friday when i get back to work amd reset password on the other.
Re-post
There is a huge problem with the lack of quality in our pool of first team players. I.e. The quality of players we have as cover is huge. This should of been rectified in the summer. Just look at what we have been doing this season and the massive jump in quality from our first team 11 to the cover we have:
Simpson – Tav, Anita, Perch
Colo – Perch, Tav, Williamson
S. Taylor – Perch, Tav, Williamson
Santon – Ferguson, R Taylor
Ben Arfa – Sammy, Obertan, Cisse
Tiote – bigi, vuckic, Gosling, Anita
Cabaye – bigi, vuckic Gosling, Anita
Jonas – Sammy, ferguson, Obertan
Ba & Cisse – Shola, ranger, campbell
My point is the cover simply is not good enough, and this is the boards fault for not bringing in the adequate cover in the summer. The jump in talent and quality is enormous. This is not Pardews fault, it was not his gamble. It was the boards. We have had no consistency, no rhythm, which results in no winning formula being found. No one has had a chance of being comfortable at any stage on the pitch this season, where they have a good run in the position they would favour with the players around them they would prefer.
We need good quality first team players brought in this window as cover. And to upgrade what we already have. We have started that via Debuchy. If simpson goes which he will then we should be looking at adequate cover there aswell. This is how a football club should run. Not by buying adaptable players who can maybe do a job here and there on their day. The board seriously need to address this problem this window, if they dont I worry for the future of NUFC.
212 alf // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM
Players that missed out on the Fifa players list all of the above as they are totally useless but they are presenting Pardew with the Balloon of the year award for incompetence mediocrity and under achievement over his entire career!
213 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM
Catchy
What are you on about? I haven’t say anything to you about wanting to lose any games?
The only thing I have said to you recently is that I agree fergie is better than sammy ameobi
214 JAMSHA // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:14 PM
Papattack
I WISHD IT WAS TRUE… But The Nufc officials (If They R In France) Will Come Back Empty Handed…With Some Lame Excuses
215 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Catchy….I said we “started” our season well because of hard work, then gained confidence and went from strength to strength from there. I disagree that only the results were good last season completely.
I believe I have always said that Pardews fall to is defensive. I personally don’t have any major problem with that right now. We have had an overhaul of the team, which I believe is still ongoing (albeit slowly) and that is not always easy to make gel. Whilst you’re working things out, going defensive can be a good way to go, afterall if you don’t concede and can get a goal or two you get the points. Does that mean Pardew can’t or wont change the game plan? Absolutely not, we’ve seen it with our very own eyes and I don’t believe it was some sort of rebellion from the players, Pardew had a hand in that beautiful run we enjoyed last season, not just the players. If not, why haven’t they just continued it in spite of Pardew?
Some of his subs I do find strange, but then that would apply to a lot of managers. If you isolte just that issue, not the end of the world for me.
When did he make it look like Remy was coming? I honestly have missed that one.
On my fence sitting, that has never been the issue with Pardew. I have backed him for a while now.
I think Ed did a poll a month or so ago, the results didn’t agree with your prediction from memory, but maybe the mood has changed significantly.
216 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Beefman- Aat what point did you determine that Pardew was lacking technical nous? Have I misunderstood your posts since August. Just when was your conversion?
217 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:15 PM
Ronvandam
Simply because abramovich has a lot more money than Ashley and he is happy to throw it around on football
218 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:16 PM
Lets say we do have officials in France and Remy is elsewhere. Who could we be looking at in France currently?
219 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM
Beattie
Agree with the general point but perhaps not remy
Definatly a cb or 2 should of been through the door the same time as debuchy and i also expected there to be a fair few development squad signings seeing as we thinned that out last season!
I think ba leaving perhaps changed the target for a CF but yeah the contingency plan should of been in place to be put into action immediatly
Although to go back to catchys point i cant blame the lack of signings on pardew, for me he has been smart enough to put public pressure on the board every day since the window opened!
For me signings or lack of rest mainly on the doorstep of that tosser lamears3!!
220 JAMSHA // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM
nick
mayb Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
221 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM
Look at teamster Everton.
They sold rodwell which is why they signed mirrales and other players.
Swansea sold Sinclair and bought michu and Hernandez with that.
Even spurs over the last few years have sold keane, Carrick, berbatov and modric for a lot of money and used it to improve the side.
For me if Ashley isn’t going to spend his own money I think he needs to try and sell one ‘purple’ a year to add to the funds and use the money there and then to bring in 2-4 new players each year to build the team.
Spurs so it, it might be bad to lose a player but if the money is put back in properly it can do a lot more good than bad.
Our problem is we spent the Carroll money over 2 years so we never saw a big enough and sustainable impact on the squad
222 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:21 PM
It is so sad to be us right now
223 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:21 PM
JAMSHA – how on earth could we sing his name. Maybe to the tune of ‘Peter lovenkrands on a free’
224 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:21 PM
Looks real to me
If it was fake its been done very well, look at the light on top of his head from the ground lights, would a faker bother with that?
And besides why would they bother?
225 SimonCypher // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:22 PM
Moussa Sissoko potentially?
226 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:23 PM
isnt alf just billy/bob/ted? awfully awfully familiar what?
Its like planes trains and automobiles crossed with doctor who with Remy. He’s either an accomplished globetrotter or he has a time machine. Oh wait, QPR are putting in another offer as we type…..
227 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:24 PM
Ibiza- I have criticised Pardew for being too cautious. The last occasion was against WBA were we led1-0 at half time. He seemed to me to try to protect the lead rather than go for a game closing second goal. You’ll remember we won luckily with a Cisse goal in the last seconds from a Sammy shot that hit his back.
228 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:25 PM
Sage realistically we are going to need 10-15 mill a season minimum for transfers. I cannot see us getting that for a long while unless we do sell a purple. Currently we are even on purples with Ba leaving and Debuchy signing.
Every place is said to be 0.75 million in the league so think how much we will lose this season in league position. Currently stands at 7.5 million if we stay in the same position.
229 89Norcal // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:25 PM
The Guardian is suggesting we may be after Remy AND Aubemeyang!
Could this really be happening? Has the board finally woke up??
230 JAMSHA // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:26 PM
Nick
U can call.him.PEA
231 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:27 PM
What picture are people talking about…I have been away for a bit
232 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:27 PM
Transfer
Those clubs you mention have sold and reinvested but they have also spent without selling at times too.
Whatever is best for the team they try to do, we have done neither.
Could you imagine if you paid any company for their goods and products and they refused to better their business in order to grow and beat their opposition?
That’s what NUFC are doing. They are taking our money and refusing to invest it back in the squad. What do we pay for? So that some fat cnut can fill his account even more, or do we spend to help our club grow?
We need to do something soon, lets give it till he end of the season but we need to do what we nearly did a few seasons ago and force him to sell.
233 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:30 PM
One of them or both? 89Norcal
234 alf // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM
Tsunki your patters still rank you geeky little puke!
235 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM
TADS
We were linked with Luke De Yong £10m & Douglas £4m in the summer….FACT….that’s £14m in the kitty…….but now that figure is now seen as generous from MA and AP had to fight to get some money from Mike…..what a load of …………!
So the fact that we knew and id’d that we were short in the summer….that we needed a CF and CB and RB (Debuchy). That was the minimum and we failed on all counts! Now with the loss of Ba a CF is the priority……surely these should have been a priority all season as we failed during the summer…..so we get to 1st of Jan and what exactly has Dekka and Mike done? Why wasn’t AP putting pressure on earlier? How come 1 week has passed in the window and it looks like we have made 0 progress. The fault lies with the people who run the club, including AP and the coaches….not our existing players……surely
236 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:33 PM
Spread….
“NUFC is a big club and as such should have a big manager to propel our image abroad etc….do not think AP does that.”
I don’t think Pardew has had a negative effect on our imagine abroad at all. From what I’ve seen, every player to talk to Pardew has been sold the idea of the club and himself and they’ve signed.
1. We cannot defend – Not at the minute we can’t. We have been able to though, with help from the rest of the team which means being defensive. So far Pardew has been able to bring in personnel in midfield and attack and both areas seem an improvement. We’ve only added one defender, who whilst I’m a big fan, he does make loads of defensive mistakes which is understandable given his age and inexperience. Do you really think Simmo and Willo is who he wants in defense? Clearly not, we’ve now got Debuchy and we know Pardew wants a CB. That’s not to replace Colo. He clearly sees where we need improving, it’s the board who haven’t to date.
2. We cannot defend set pieces – See above. Do you think you can coach more ability in to those 2 players?
3. We cannot score from corners – Nope, we can’t. It drives me nuts to see them constantly going to willo. I have a few theories on this, none I know with any certainty. One is that no other players are really any better than Willo at dealing with it, so until they get one, Willo is the best choice. I noticed recently that Anita wasn’t just knocking them to Willo and was looking for other ideas. That inspired me, but thinking about it, it still didn’t bring any goals. I still think they should be working at it and not just giving it to Willo as they may feel it’s their best option, but clearly it doesn’t work so mix it up and hope that not being predictable brings a chance…or something.
4. We cannot score v. often from set pieces – Similar answer to the above.
Sorry if this sounds a cop out, it’s how I feel about it.
What does concern me and is a terrible record to hold is never being able to come back from being a goal down. I do wonder whether it has something to do with the amount of foreign players. Probably completely misguided and no offense intended to other nationalities on here, but there is something about a British fight back. We lost Nolan and Barton and ultimately did lose a lot of passionate fight from the team. Pardew will have to take a good chunk of blame though for not finding a way to motivate them back. It’s all just guesswork from here, but it does need sorting.
237 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:33 PM
This?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/07/marseille-loic-remy-newcastle
238 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:35 PM
Beattie
We don’t invest at he right time I agree.
But over the last five season we spend -7.6mil per season, a net profit of 38mil
Everton have a 15 mil profit with -3mil per season
Spurs have a net spend of 6 mil so 1.2 average per season out of the clubs pocket.
So it’s not just that these clubs spend a lot of extra money it’s just they spend more of what they bring in on transfers than us.
This was taken from http://www.transferleague.co.uk
239 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:38 PM
Ibiza
We are used as the selling point. Pardews lack of reputation abroad doesn’t really affect matters but bringing in a foreign coach with a good reputation would make us an even more lucrative club.
240 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:39 PM
Spread
Not sure where ive put blame on the players?
But yeah ashley and lamears3 have missed a huge opportunity and they should of have some players in place for the first
However given how often pardew has said this window he hasn’t been putting pressure on the board i just think ashley is a tight stubborn tosser who if he doesnt want to spend he wont and doubt anyone can convince him otherwise
241 p // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:40 PM
I understand the skepticism but I think 2 more will come through the door, maybe even 3.
I reckon we may get Remy and the St Etienne forward as well as maybe that young french defender.
I personally think the best signing we could do is Lescott on loam. We need to stop the rot at the back.
242 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:40 PM
Transfer
That’s nice information. It shows you just how poor we are. Pardew was right all along.
243 alf // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:40 PM
If the turnip Pardew had Messi he would play him out of position because be is a chancer and his times up!
244 Transfer Sage // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:43 PM
Beattie
I get maybe the club wanted to balance the books…which by all accounts is done. And losing xisco on 50k a week will certainly help that in the summer.
If we get by with our current transfer policy balancing the books surely next season when we get an extra 20mil in tv money we will be able to spend all of that on transfers and still have a balanced book?
Or is that too optimistic.
245 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM
Ian….As I said, Pardews fall to is a defensive one. Especially as pressure mounts he will do what he feels is the easiest way to get some points. He knows how the players heads fall when we go behind, so stick tight and get the first goal. Don’t completely agree, but understand the reasoning.
On to when we do manage to get ahead…Agree, completely frustrating. Probably again, more concerned about keeping the 3 points to get some confidence going rather than miss out by being too open and knowing the weak links and the way they can be exposed. My thinking is we have the players to get a goal or two more, so get them whilst we’re hot, then an odd mistake wont be a disaster or points lost.
For me, Pardew has shown when the team is firing (which lets face it, it hasn’t been at all this season – even the stand outs of last year have been more suspect, players like Cabaye, Colo and even Krul) he adapts and sets the team up accordingly.
The major gripe for me and I’m not sure if it’s with Pardew or the players is the FA Cup game. I’d have said just go out there and go for it. Tbh, it’s a bit of a distraction so lets open up and try and hit them. If we get through it will be through a great display, if not, oh well, we should be concentrating on the league anyway, but we gave it a go with a depleted squad who shouldn’t all be having to play at the same time.
I don’t know what he said, but the players showed no fight and I don’t care what the manager says, there is no reason to be that disinterested in a game of football, I’m not a talented player but I could have done as good as most of them that day – and that really is saying something
246 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:45 PM
It would be nice with both. But think the article lack clearness. Everybody else says one. Pardew have said one striker and maybe a CB if funds is enough. But perhaps he has 20 m £ and get Remy at 8 m £, PEA at 7 m £ and CB at 5 m £. Counting on Remy costing 15 m £.
247 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:46 PM
Just found this
* * * * * *
Boss Alan Pardew is desperately trying to improve his team’s confidence after dealing with players speaking out about his ‘negative tactics.’
Key Newcastle players such as Demba Ba have criticised the clubs playing style in an interview with L’Equipe claiming the team’s ‘long-ball football’ had damaged the team. Ba forced a £7.5m move to Chelsea shortly after his comments which escaped a fine.
However, winger Hatem Ben Arfa was fined by Newcastle for also being critical of the clubs style of play.
* * * * * * * * * * *
Add in captain Colo’s recent comments and oh yeah that dressing room must be just buzzing!!
Why people are still defending a long ball, negative English manager is just beyond me.
I think we might beat Norwich purely because pardew will have to play 1 striker and not even he can get that wrong. Oh wait…!
248 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:46 PM
Ian, i blame AP more than the owner even though, we did not maybe bring that CB CH in the summer and we have had injuries we could still have been in much better shape than we are, he wont change his ways of play or players he plays and it is costing us every time.
I have stuck up for the owner as we have done very well over the last three seadons when most thought we would go backwards, yet this aeason we have went backwards, and folk are blaming our squad but its the players he plays in our squad and tactics he uses are continually costing us, his ego is much greater than i thought and his continual putting down of the younger players when those donkey ones he always plays he the main cause of our demise
Saturday, santon got stuffed if lua lua all second half and while u still like santon to a degree hid defensive qualities need lpoking at a lot, tav was out of poition a few tines but he wasnt getting done like santon!!!!
Anita was hard working and so was bigi so not much difference their, williy, yes a cock and perch a fish out of water were nothing short of a disgrace to our great club, young dummett came on and did nothing wrong and put two better crosses in than sammy or obertan have done all season, sammy who did not put a crossin the whole match terrible dor aveinger and obertan is not the full shilling as well no football brain and gead un the clouds not knowing what they are goingvto do when they get the ball thet really dont, so all in all the toungins were by no means worse than our seniors invluding daft ameobus aending of which cost us, no need for the needles challenges jyst as rhere was no jeed for the 8 needles. Free kicks v everton 200 plus times is enough of seeing him start.
No campbell cant velieve ha gasnt had a cgance and fergiecfrozen out even tjough he has not sone anything wrong dosnt give the ball away like sammy for instance and obertan and has 4 good direct assusts but has veen made a scapegoat by our manager wven rhough santon froze the lad out in three fames playing as his full back and not giving him the ball pnce in the opposing half in tjose three games, i found that so selfish on santons part
Back to reality pardew more or less nakes excuses to save his own neck when his choices on the whole are the wrong ones. He blames the wrong players and uts an easy way out for him, billy the bulls£itter im afraid the man is.
249 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:47 PM
Ibiza
I agree that Simpson and Willo are definitely the weakest links….and on a +ve I do see that our performances will be dramatically better with Debuchy…..the whole shape at the back will be better…..
But from what you are inferring (sorry if I have got this wrong btw) that our entire seasons failings are mainly down to:-
1. Simmo & Willo
2. Lack of board support in the summer
Personally I find that a “lazy” assessment (no offense meant)….and the reason why I will qualify it is because both Simmo and Willo featured last season…..perhaps Willo not as prolifically as this one…but nonetheless we churned out the results, we had structure, shape, self-belief. Now……well the results speak for themselves.
I cannot defend AP and his coaching staff any longer……I hope they turn it round for the benefit of NUFC but come the end of the season and possibly sooner if things do not change dramatically and FAST….they’ve all gotta go.
250 hotdog // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:47 PM
All of this talk and speculation but you know what another day is just about to pass that our “new signings” should have spent on the training ground getting to know his teammates! What is the hold up the deals should be done and dusted. We have had months to get them through the door. Getting more annoyed by the hour.
251 breno95 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:47 PM
Throwing a challenge out here due to the stick being thrown at Pardew on here. It’s a well known fact that since the start of the season that an opportunity to field a consistent strong 11 has not been possible due to injury and suspension and yes we only managed one senior signing in the summer. So my question to those slating Pardew for recent results is what 11 would you put out and what would you do differently. You have a squad of the following:-
Krul Harper Elliott Tavernier Williamson Colo Streete Dummett Santon Fergie Bigi Anita Amalfitano Marveaux Obertan Abeid Ranger Sammy Shola Cisse Campbell Perch.
The rest are injured, on international duty or have just signed (Debuchy).
Obviously it’s all hypothetical as is everytthing posted on this blog but will be interesting to see the teams formulated from what is available.
Have a go if interested as it will distract you all from the current predicament that we find ourselves.
252 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:48 PM
Pards to Messi:
Pards – ‘look lionel we need to chat’
Messi – ‘yes senior, what is it’
Pards – ‘Well in the last 3 games you’ve banged in 7 goals, but to be honest your defensive duties have left a lot to be desired’
Messi – ‘Me no comprende gaffer’
Pards – ‘well Lionel, what you got to understand is a 1-0 win is as good as a 7-0 win. 3 points is 3 points. So what I want you to do the next time you get the ball and fancy a mazy little dibble, pass it to the right back, stand your ground, make no moves what so ever and let Willo bang it up to Ba. Your a midfielder Lionel, our duty is to protect the right back.’
Messi – ‘but boss I love to score goals, make assists and help the team’
Pardew – ‘trust me Lionel to help the team, you have to help the defense. It is not about scoring, its about defending. Once we make sure we wont concede then we cant punt the ball, hope for a goal and win the match.’
Messi – ‘but Alan, madre mia, that isn’t total football’
Pardew ‘ ‘no but it is honest football Lionel, honest football’
253 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:48 PM
There is some laughs on this blog mind.. Haha.
You know, I get the feeling. Even if we were to get are first 11 back. Sign 3 players in this window. Play magically until the end of the season and finish top 10. There will still be people wanting Pardew out. And still be able to find a reason. I fear wor Alan is being made a scapegoat for reasons he has had no control over.
Toon Prodigy.
254 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM
Transfer sage
Surely balancing the books is riding ourselves of Smith, Best, Lover, Carroll, Nolan, Barton etc…
Xisco won’t make much difference
255 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM
We got Cisse on 17 January last year.
256 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM
Ibiza @235 last paragraph … The British Fightback.
By gad sir I do think you have a point,a good British fight back, keeping up the traditions of the Regiment -that’s what we need, that bloody Johnny Foreigner doesn’t know the meaning of the word, no fight in him, runs after the first sight of a volley of musket balls, yes they don’t have what it takes.
257 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM
TS…You’ve hit a good point there. As far as Ashley and his plan is concerned, I have an overall faith, but there is an underlying doubt. For me, the real time I can judge is once the books are cleared. The major deadwood is gone (really only Xisco at this point – By deadwood I mean players on high wages who don’t even get a game, at least Willo and Simmo are used). Then we’ll see what he does with a profit making business and see if it can yield results. It has been a huge transition, so mistakes can be expected imo, but is it a genuine plan? Next year will really tell the story imo.
Beattie…It was suggested that Pardew is a turn off for international players, that was really the only point I was clarifying there. I do agree though, a continental coach to assist would be great. Maybe ultimately though we’ll end up with too much staff, one to manage, one to bring a continental approach and one that is a local….aww man, how I miss wor Bobby.
258 sula // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:51 PM
Ian
He had a full squad against west ham and the only one that was missing against swansea was cabaye i think so what was the problem then these issues have been going on for a while. Even with a full strength squad we didnt look solid. The wigan game if 11 men stayed on the pitch it would have been interesting. You say its easy to moan when things are not right. Pardew doesnt have a solution so i would rather get a new ideas and motivate the squad. Demba ba openly criticised pardews play whilst he was still a newcastle player. Things are bad when players openly speak about your tactics lol. We are big club and we want a big manger.
259 nightfa11 // Jan 7, 2013 at 7:56 PM
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260 Peter // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:00 PM
I agree with ToonTinka
Too much hate on a guy managing a injured fested team with a board with no backing. Even ITV commentators could field a full second team that could’ve played Brighton but was injured.
I’m hoping debuchy scores on debut as that’s been the trend with ba and Sturridge so why not howay the lads. In pardew I trust.
261 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:00 PM
nightall – yet another rubbish story with no foundation.
262 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:00 PM
I love this man:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20928212
I’d let him have a crack at our place, maybe.
263 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:01 PM
Mister…Excuse my paranoia but how deeply is that laced with sarcasm?
Spread…No offense taken, I can see you’re trying to reason / debate with me.
It was a lazy response and only hitting one fundamental area that I feel is largely responsible. Trying to keep the word count down
I think they did okay this season with a fully functioning team. Clearly when the rest of the team is showing cracks there weaknesses are exposed even more. We did well last season, but we all still knew those two needed upgrading, nothing has changed there and it’s still a fundamental step we need to take.
I hope they turn it around. I can accept to being wrong, but it would be even more gutting off the back of say being relegated. It’s the last thing I want for our club and I honestly believe Pardew can turn it around.
Should I be checking to see exactly how many times my mum dropped me on my head as a child?
264 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Breno, brighton would have known for how we were going to play, just as every team playing us now know and have us sussed, he has to play the big target man, this time our man in the north shola ameobi, whats wrong with giving afam campbell a chance a lad who pardew himself said was at sholas level 3 months ago and as good as anyone in training yet hiwcarexqe to know if he won’t give the lad a chance, he is a cracking player, brighton would have been in the dark about him hes quick as you like and notcavatroller like tou know who!
All in all no surprises again with our team and tactics and no surprises in the result poor 2000 fans who paid good money to watch that shower of sh£t
265 Billythefish // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM
pardew has had no stick yet from the terraces, I really think he has 3 more games till fans start to show animosity towards him. The saving grace so far is that we despise dirty Derek and big mike more.
Thing is its not them that train day in day out with the players and do tactics, this bloke must be writing his betting slips out in the dugout. Nothings changed all season, he has put players in out of necessity rather than been a tactical genius. Arfa, big I, Marv, these players were picked out of desperation it shows he knows fk all as they can,t be dropped when fit???
266 davis_toons // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:05 PM
Getting Laurent Blanc can be good business for Ashley.
Blanc can attract some quality french players young or old the sell them at a higher price. Just like Wenger.
267 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:05 PM
breno
yes we get the injuries, the lack of investment etc.
What you and others don’t get is negative hoofball is pardew’s default position, no matter what the personnel.
he would fcuk up messi, he’s so clueless.
Ian
I’ve got chrissie hynde’s chain gang going round in my head now
268 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:06 PM
The amount of pressure Wor Al’s on is ludicrous, through no fault of his own man.
He is simply doing the best he can under very awkward circumstances. You can mention tactics this and tactics that but if you dont have a board who have the best interests of the club at heart, your going to struggle. And thats what is happening. Lack of support, lack of investment in a gamble that made absolutely no sence in the summer. This is what happens.
269 sula // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:06 PM
PETER
Injuries are there yes but give some effort like. You have to do with what you have and there is still plenty of quality if used in the right way and that is the problem players cant do anything when they are watching a ball being launched over their heads all the time. And no i dont trust in pardew be serious.
270 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM
Does toonbano post on here?
271 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:07 PM
sula- Pardew’s solution was to bolster the defence in the summer. Weaknesses particularly glaringly obvious ones, namely Simpson and Williamson get you found out. Jonas has been covering defensively for Santon and we’ve been papering over the cracks. Major defensive surgery is required. Cabaye was playing with hernia problems for most of season before he broke down whilst due to play for France. Likewise Jonas who’s had groin and knee problems long before he dropped out. The squad is wafer thin. Not an excuse but an explanation. The problem in my book rests with Ashley and DL who haven’t not a clue as their not football people. Comparisons with Everton are silly.
272 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:08 PM
a french manager for a predominantly french team makes a lot of sense.
Sadly M.A has probably never even heard of Laurent Blanc – that peculiar breed – a manager with a successful CV.
273 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:09 PM
beattie
yes he does
274 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:09 PM
Breno….I had no major issue with the line up to start with. I would have got Campbell involved over Ranger personally. Whilst Shola didn’t offer anything to the game, hindsight is a wonderful thing and I imagine he was there for experience and leadership…didn’t go quite to plan
I was actually a little surprised to see Anita and Santon start the game. For me it was a game we couldn’t afford injury in. PL has to be the main focus, I even felt that pre season and recent events have just made it even more so. I didn’t agree with what Nobby said in a recent thread, yes we’d love another Wembley trip to raise spirits, but it didn’t really do Birmingham too many favours…sadly we have bigger priorities at the minute.
275 Rake // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:10 PM
@ Beattie you are correct the image makes no sense in a lighting sense let alone the rest…
276 danishmag // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:10 PM
stop pointing fingers!!!
NONE OF YOU, HAS A GOD D…. CLUE OF WHAT IS GOING ON!!
Take a look at the transfer windows since Pardew took over..
The first was after 6-7 weeks in the job, On the last day Carroll went. Who of you would have said no to 35 mil for Carroll?
After that Ben arfa was transfered from the loan deal, to the permanent deal.
The second window:
Ins…
Ba, Cabaye, Obertan, Marveaux, Abeid, Santon and Elliott..
outs…
Nolan (got greedy), Barton (sick one), Enrique (wanted to leave), Routledge (was not good enough then)
Very good window if you ask me.
Third window:
ins..
Cissé
Very good window once more!!
fourth and last window, is the only one beeing bad.
ins…
Amalfitano, Anita, Bigirimana, Good..
outs…
Best (bad choice), Guthrie (bad choice), Smith (over the hill), Løvenkrands (over the hill)
We lost two good squad players, and two over the hill players.. W got one good player in, and a top youngster.
Looking at all those windows, does not really show a picture of lack of ambitions does it?
Stop saying that Llambias and Ashley bids way under the players we are after.. HOW DO KNOW? WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES?
This window so far…
We have lost a player, who is only in the game for money.. !!! BA… STARD!!!
We have gotten a player in from top drawer.
Only seven days into the window.. did you expect to have a replacement for Ba, the same day he was out?
The board thinks twice before spending.
you all should do the same, before slaying the ones running the club.
Should they go out and do what Shepherd did?
What do you think of Owen coming in for 16 mil? and his massive wages.. he did cost more than 1 mil a goal!!
I grant to you all, that the first couple of years Mike Ashley made some bad mistakes, but since the promotion season, i can honestly not put a finger on him.
Football is a big business. Get a f…. grip!
277 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM
Ibiza i am really hoping we can turn it around, maybe we can with a few more signings and player coming back i believe we may also as well but we should not have been in this position for starters, we need not have been and i put the blame on the manager players choices and tactics which again have been far to predictable to every team we have played, as west ham charlton and southampton fans continually say he gets found out pretty quickly for lack of tactical nous amd an ego that dosnt like to he challenged, hope for all of us he learns from hus past or new players or not he is west!!!
278 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM
To think this bloke took us to fifth last yr and is recieving this sort of crack from the faithful is beyond me like.
As much as I respect everyones thoughts. Alot of unnecessary hate around here for the main man. The problems sustained lie alot deeper within the club than tactics and starting 11. The logic is there for everyone to see.
279 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:11 PM
Transfer sage,
I had a look at that site and it looked like we were 50 mil. In the red over the last 5 years in transfers ( which include Carroll ). That is insane. We do need the 2 players now and another quality striker in the summer. It looks like we are now at 1 mil Up in our spend ratio, or am I wrong.
280 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Mike Ashley
‘Why have a proven international manager when I can have a lesser know Englishman for more than half the price?’.
I tell you what, I bet Alain Casanova and Rudi Garcia are on less money than Pardew.
281 davis_toons // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM
“writing his betting slips out in the dugout” thats funny.
Tbf to Pardew, he did have some motivating skills, maybe needed a technical coach for more ideals and training methods.
282 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Tinka
are you seriously saying hughton at norwich has a stronger team than us!! we’ve been c..p all season way before injuries.
3 of our most influential international players have openly and publicly criticised pardew and the club has taken no action. That says it all. Good dressing room my a..e!!
283 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:14 PM
Sula- injuries provide opportunities. Unfortunately there has been little evidence in Europa or in cameo roles that most are not worthy. Many posters for months especially Beefman were singing their praises. It’s one thing to look good in the under 21′s and an entirely different proposition in the PL. Most should have gone out on loan to Championship or league 1 side. Problem though lack of cover in squad. We need more bodies through the door.
284 Jakenufc // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:14 PM
Would love a CB come in first, prefferably Doughlas, if not Sakho. I would also like AP and MA to get both Loic Remy AND Pierre E A. Yeah I agree, we need a new CB next to Dubuchy, but our top goalscorer has left and left a massive hole in the squad. Even if
players were fit! To have the options would be great we just need the funds to come in. I trust alan pardew but things need to get sorted pronto. Howay the lads
woulallowbdhcthe funds
285 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM
All things considered since Pardew took over I feel that we have been duped and patronised by him, made easier when we were getting results without ever really impressing. Even now he insults our intelligence by telling us what he thinks we want to hear.
When Pardew came in he patronisingly said that the Geordie public would nt accept winning ugly amd that he intended to play entertaining attacking football to lift bums off seats.
Those were his words.
Apart from some moments of brilliance from HBA and some stunning goals from Ba and Cisse the set up of the team has beeen cautious, old fashioned and negative.
Now that the results have dried up Pardews limitations are being exposed and many more people are seeing him for the winging bullshitter that he is.
He said in the beginning that we expect a certain style of play and nothing else would do. Those words will be there to haunt him.
As was pointed out on ESPN when he first arrived he is a conman and a stubborn egotist.
286 Rake // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM
@ danishmag
You have to remember mostly everything on this blog that is discussed are people speculating on small pieces of info that may be true or untrue.
I’m hoping for a surprise name to pop up.
287 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:15 PM
if pardew stays i can see benny, cabs, cisse and colo following ba out just for starters. these are classy players, artists not journeyman as pardew would have them turn in to.
288 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:16 PM
toonbano is pretty popular on twitter.
We are amongst celebrities. I wonder how many other bloggers are quite famous in the twittersphere.
289 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM
Danish,
Now that is sense. Why are you not picking up your pitchfork, hating people you never met, criticising billionaires and generally flipping out?
290 89Norcal // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM
ToonTinka
It’s the haters, still butt-hurt that Hughton was sacked, who have waited until Pardew slipped up so they could jump his case.
Everyone just listen to KK fffs.
291 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:18 PM
betty
steady, talking sense like that will get you put on the chain gang by Ian and tequila
292 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM
Rake
I knew it wasnt just me that thought that photo was dodgy!
293 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM
Of course the prem is vital but the fa cup is still magic for us on tynside, a cup run lifts everyones spirits, like the end of the 90′ s the geordies taking over Wembley was brilliant, pardew says he was gutted we did not perform is he not used to the way we playedxandche shouldchave mixed it up but did not and we were the knocking bets of the round to get bladdered. Disappointed beyond belief and the beefman us getting more than a tad wound up by our manager!
294 Billythefish // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM
No manager worth his salt would put up with the two clowns who are football dictators, if we did not pay transfer fees up front some clubs probably wouldn’t deal with us. Sports direct arena, massive sponsor WONGA, slating Shearer / Keegan employing Dennis Wise, relegation,Joe Fkn Kinear Money is tight, we couldn’t get the deal over the line. the list is endless yet we still troop up to the ground showing our support. Surely we deserve more than what we have been served up????? I met Terry Mac in ponteland after the Keegan fiasco and he more or less said we will never be successful under this regime.
295 davis_toons // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:19 PM
Pardew always talk about what he knows what the fans here wants.
So, when he going through the replay videos he should have seen who and what have have happen and being played by the team.
He should know alot more but why was it always those kind of football that cant win games.
Cant obviously cant play like Stoke because we just dont have that kind of defence and players for it to make it happen..
We will be second class all day compared to Stoke if we play their kind of football.
Its really nothing good or bad about it.
296 SimonCypher // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM
Just to add some humour and lighten the mood…..Sergio Busquets wins the Fallon D’Floor 2013 award, with Gareth Bale the runner-up, and Luis Suarez in third place.
297 danishmag // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM
rake..
thank you for understanding..
Shay…
Just the opposite ;o)
298 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM
danishmag @276 -you posted.
“Stop saying that Llambias and Ashley bids way under the players we are after.. HOW DO KNOW? WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES?”
You obviously have not done your research properly -you need to check out the KK tape with ESPN he explains exactly what you need to know -how they went behind his back and offered a lot less for a player- they had already agreed the offer price, but ofered a substantially less amount -the offer was refused and not increased. You should really prepare a bit better.
299 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM
@Rake
So how does that light show the photo up as being fake? please enlighten me
You guys are just looking too much into it like, like other conspiracy theorists
300 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM
beefman….I’m not sold on the we or he has “been found out” issue so much. Looking at our games, it’s not that we’ve been well neutralised by the opposition, but more that we don’t seem to know what we’re doing half the time. It starts well, but then nothing. Not really from great displays by other teams imo. Little bits of the team from last year (and i mean little glimpses) have opened teams up. It just shows me that we’re not playing well and that if we were we’d still be getting the better of the opposition. Basically I think it has little to do with being found out, but why just say that and deprive you all of my reasoning
He does lack a good alternative plan though, as I discussed a little earlier.
301 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:21 PM
beattie
that’s a thought. i wonder if anyone has ever written a well thought out and well constructed letter to ashley!!
302 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:22 PM
Billy – An ex employee who would have thought it!!
303 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:24 PM
@Rotonda
Are you joking?
Can’t imagine he would want to or have the time to read any letters from fans
304 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:25 PM
I don’t think we’ve been found out.
I just think our tactics are horribly outdated and bizzare considering the talent we have/had at our disposal.
305 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:25 PM
Brother Tuff- They are flys on the wall.
306 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:25 PM
Hi Betty, are you aware that we have had injuries everywhere. Cisse off form, hba, cabaye and Taylor out. Colo and tiote, Gutierrez and krull out at spradic times. Are there top teams that do well in that situation?with that many first 11effected.? It could affect moral, maybe
?
Maybe you could do a better job? It does appear you have hate in you…….
307 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:26 PM
I wish someone would do an expose on him. The press need to pull their finger out, he’s obviously fiddling cash is Ashley.
308 sula // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM
89 norcal
Yes i for one am pissed of that hughton was realised what did he do wrong? he did a great job and bought us back up first time of asking. He wasnt in the relegation zone. His style of football was much better then pardews. He is doing a great job with norwich and he doesnt have a big squad there either.
309 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM
beefman @ 264
campbell, doesn’t fit the long ball pardew tactics hence the no- show while old father time shola almost plays 2 consecutive 90 mins
310 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Forget about other teams and look at our own club. Sammy, ranger, tavernier, abeid, ferguson, even bigi, (aswell as he has done) they are not 1st team newcastle united players. They are not good enough to cover the first team. This is the premier league man. We are lacking quality and depth! Why is this? Is it Pardews fault? No. We all know deep down who’s fault it is. It does not get anymore blatant.
No manager on this planet could of got a bunch of kids out their depth and players out of position to do any better. His hands have been tied since the summer and its been a disaster. Now we have a chance to fix it. So lets see how it goes. That was not luck last season it was down to being lucky with imjuries. We were fielding a consistent team. We have always had the problem with quality and depth.
311 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM
shay robson
how many times it’s not just the personnel it’s the way pardew plays that sucks
312 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:30 PM
I would have liked Hoots to keep us up, have had an attempt at a second season with these players and then kept on/fired if no progression.
Like Barton said in that interview, Hoots was fired as he didn’t have control of the dressing room.
Is it safe to assume that if Pards loses it, he’ll be gone too?
313 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:32 PM
Reading APs statements since Saturday he is def backtracking on how many more players we might get in this window.
Its as if he has been warned by Batman and Robin to lower expectations. It is now sort of maybe 1-2 ish kind of.
We all know the minimum is two – a forward and a CB – both of top quality. I reckon we might end up with one and still play Willo or Shola on a regular basis. Now that is a recipe for relegation
314 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM
ibiza @263 – I would suggest no sarcasm just excellent wit did you laugh or not?
315 Taking the Papiss // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM
To whoever was saying that it should be easy to buy a player like it is to buy a house. You have clearly never bought a house. Buying a house takes anywhere between 2-5 months.
By way of example about how complicated the sale contracts are. It is like selling/buying a £20m asset and the majority of football clubs use London city law firms to do the transfers. This isn’t just done by people at the club.
Agreeing a price is just the start. Then you need to do your due diligence (check player’s current contract, go through the medical, see if anyone has a ‘charge’ over the player (e.g. third party ownership/agent fee’s due), see if the player is entitled to part of transfer fee or additional loyalty bonus (potentially payable by new club and may have a knock on effect on negotiations). Then the new contract has to be drafted taking into account bonuses, appearance fees etc. You don’t just click a button like on Football Manager.
To be clear, the above is not an easy job and if the club mucks it up (e.g. doesnt get the relevant insurance cover taking into account any prior injuries that a player has) then they may not be covered if anything happens to the player in future. Equally, the relevant lawyers and agents need to get it right so they aren’t ending up in court for negligence.
I feel that there is a huge lack of understanding about the process and it really frustrates me sometimes. The above is not easy. Also it is all very well saying they just negotiate a fee but it wouldnt be a great negotiation tactic to just go a bit lower than the selling club want. It’s also about what the buying club is willing to pay. It may be necessary to leave an offer on the table for a while and the seller may play brinkmanship in hope of getting a higher offer. The idea that you don’t go through that process and just offer what they want is ludicrous.
All of the above should be read in the context of it be very easy to spend someone else’s millions!
316 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:36 PM
Ian how often does he play he younger play the younger players in the prem, not very often i can assure you but if he does he always covers himself by sayin they tried but”"” were as his favs have been a disgrace most of the season and ge plans on bringing jonas straight back in the team when fit. I hope we pull out of this mess and we could do but he has lost masses of respect from me, he and we dis do well last seaon but not thus and if man utd were mid table at this point fergie would be on the verge of the boot believe me, you go season by season and this season has left us all sick to the bone, answers need found for questions,, you cannot count on
displays keeping u in your job, perch williamson simpson jonas out altogether and change in tactics and we will improvecand he will save his carvers and stones jobs, if not adios!
317 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM
Toon Tinka- I agree. Dummett was not known to me really but one of our group felt he had improved immensely down to playing 18 odd games for St. Mirren. He showed pace and aggression/ determination which was lacking from others. Posters on here have been going on for months about throwing the kids in. Only a few should be anywhere near.
318 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM
Mister…Do you need to ask? Don’t sell yourself short.
319 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM
In regards to houghton, he has gone. We have did great without him and progressed as a team imo. I was disgruntled as the next fan with him being sacked and nearly passed out when Pardew was appointed. But it worked out. Lets leave the past in the past.
Toon Prodigy.
320 RonVanDam // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:38 PM
Heres a rumour that Man City will come in bidding for Cabaye. Will be offerring Javi Garcia + 10m
http://www.dexysden.co.uk/?p=11881&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UkFootballFinderMemberArticles+%28Dexy%27s+Den+-++The+UK%27s+%231+Football+Blog%29
321 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:39 PM
Find it funny when posters make up their own conclusions about why certain players are not picked and then recite them as fact
Campbell has been injured so he might not be 100% match fit yet, also nobody has seen him play in competitive football so who knows if he is ready or better than our first teamers, only the coaching staff know.
Marveaux has been introduced rather late but again he has had injusry problems which have haunted his career so who knows where his fitness levels stood earlier in the season.
Maybe he has been fine and the manager has made mistakes but you lot don’t and will never know
322 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:40 PM
For those of you who believe in AP, that this season has everything to do with the players, the owners and injuries….and nothing to do with APs tactics etc….can you please explain the following:-
1. Why can we not score from a corner?
2. Why do we play the most amount of longballs in the EPL? Btw some people on ere went on about Everton….but I think you will find that our mid-field is composed of some of the shortest players in the EPL, who undoubtedly can pass the ball along the ground and can create….don’t believe me then watch the matches as OT and Emirates this season!
3. Why can we not defend set pieces?
4. Why are we unable to keep our structure?
5. Why do we not play to the strengths of our players…….AP is all about putting square pegs in round holes……FACT
So for all those defending AP in earnest, I understand that it’s painful, but if you cannot accept that AP is at fault for some of the above (pre-dominantly)…then sadly you are in denial….and are probably in denial of the predicament we find ourselves in. I get no pleasure stating these facts…….
Personally I don’t care what side AP puts out against Norwich, but if it lacks 110% effort, lacks shape and tactical presence…..irrespective of the result….then its time to call las orders at the bar!
323 Ian Toon // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM
Beefman- they are not up to it just yet and maybe never will be. Jonas for me is a must to start if fit. That is until we get better defensive cover. Ferguson has disappointed when started. He’s looked lost. Dummett played in 2nd half and looked the business. It’s not the best of time to give youngsters a chance. It’s a time for experience. Personally I would look to bring a couple of experienced defenders in on loan .
324 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:41 PM
Shay Robson
Even before the injury crisis and for large parts of last season Pardew has stubbornly tried to make things work out that clearly don t. eg. Ba and Cisse as a pair with one on the flank.
We havs good skillful players at the club and before the injuries it was clear to many of us that we need a better manager.
325 RonVanDam // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Good man Ed, you got mathieu debuchy on the banner
326 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Spread…Am I excused from this round?
327 Beattie25 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM
Well that’s me told. So basically what youre saying is it is impossible to do a deal in a matter of hours?!
328 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM
I agree to an extend on what danishmag has to say.
The two windows before last summer were very good/good, however we needed a wingback and centre back last January (that would’ve cemented us a champions league place). If we would’ve had another good transfer window last summer (signing Anita, Vertonghen, Debuchy and De Jong/Remy), there’s no doubt that we’d be in a top 6 position by now.
It’s a real shame. It’s like 2 steps forward and one step back. We must sign two strikers to replace Ba (one needs to be a target man and the other needs to be a pacey player).
Can’t believe we’ve lost Demba Ba. He’s got everything.
We need to sign these players for myself to be satisfied:
Remy
Sulejmani/Zarate
Sissoko
Alderewield
329 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:44 PM
I am a very unusually fan,
I don’t hate a thing about Newcastle united. I never hated a player, owner or manager. I don’t understand hating people I never met…….
Over the last 43 years I have been supporting the team. I always encourage and acknowledge the bad displays. I do know there is much more to a loss than tactics, fitness, mentality and the like that I am un aware of. So I just say it was a shit game and day. Then I go telephone that night.
I never bought a football club nor do I have billions so I don’t see how I could criticise or understand why or how things are done. It is simply beyond me. How can I know or understand anything about owning or running a football club.
I have never managed in the premier league…….. You know what I mean. Having the lack of fitness and injuries this season must have been tough on pardew. It did not appear to happen to another 9 first team players in any other team. I remember gullit saying the team is cursed. I often wondered. I don’t see he point in whinging.
I support every single part of newcastle united. Up or down, hammering or thrilling win, bad days and doe good ones.
Our day will come ( someday), and there is never a dull moment hat is or sure
330 sula // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM
Well said spread the toon well said son.
331 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:46 PM
Now if we can just get 11 players like Aldereweid who can score goals from 40 years then we should be able to win the league
332 89Norcal // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:47 PM
sula
At our best, our football is much better than under Hughton, but because Pardew uses longball as a Plan B, he gets all the flak in the world for it. As if we’re supposed to rely on Bigi/Fergie/Obertan to dominate the midfield.
Where were all the Pard haters when we were smashing West Brom 3-1, shutting out Man Utd and Stoke 3-0, etc?
I agree Hughton’s firing was odd but can we admit we are better of or at least just fine with Pardew?
333 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:47 PM
Ian toon,
The kids have already been through in, and this is where we are at because of it mate.
On top of that, obertan, simpson, williamson, jonas are bench players at best. Which i think most agree with on here.
Our problems lie in the depth of quality in the squad. Once we suffer injuries, nevermind the amount we have sustained! We are struggling.
What else is Pardew supposed to do with this squad at his disposal? Huge confidence blow to the younger players now but its all Pardew has had at his disposal due to injurys. This is how careers are ruined. Dont blame Pardew though, blame the board. Thats who is responsible for getting the players in. The buck really stops with them on this particular topic. And that is what are problem is.
Toon Prodigy.
334 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM
Ibiza……think your poor fingers are probably knackered…..where’s your blog finger fitness……been training with Alan again have yeah? LOL
335 89Norcal // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:52 PM
Shay
that’s how it should be, unfortunately some people want certain individuals to fail just so they can validate their “superior” football knowledge.
Everyone wants to be a damn pundit nowadays.
336 proudtobageordie // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:53 PM
Evening gents
Some irate people on tonight. Where is REMY supposed to be on tynside today so RUMOUR has it
337 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM
@Shay Robson
Well said, i have a similar philosophy
I would actually dislike to be Man U fan because when you win its nothing new, not special or anything, each league title just blending into the next. But when the times comes when we win something, the city will go mental and you will never forget it
338 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM
Alderewield’s 23 years old, he wasn’t around in 1973.
339 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:56 PM
Proud -evening – latest has it that Remy is in the Morocco Hotel in Jesmond. Not 100% and I’m not claiming a scoop.
340 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:56 PM
Ian, its the bloody seniors players 90 per cent who have got us in the mess we are in not the younger players, all they did was qualify us first for the europa league by and large, fergie dosnt get enough ball from fellow players that is for sure and as i said it was not only me screaming at santon to give him more ball when they played together, he is told to play out wide if he dosnt recieve the ball then why is it his fault, still a quality kid in my opinion and better than sammy ameobi and obertan without question, so much more consistant as well, so you would play jonas when fit, so would you leave out marv or anita or tiote for him? if you think jonas deserves to be in the team after his displays this season then you to are set in your ways like the manager.
Those ways have got us in a relegation battle.
341 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM
@kets
that was random haha
342 Sir Braveheart // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM
My award for post of the week goes to Shay! Well said Sir!
343 Taking the Papiss // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM
Not saying that it is impossible. I am saying that given the difficulty of pulling off these deals and the negotiations that go before them, it is literally ridiculous to be trying to do the deal in a day. It is the 7th January.
I am not sure on the PL rules but I assume to play on Saturday a new player would have to be registered by midday on Friday. By my estimattion that gives them 3 and half full days to register the player to play against Norwich.
People need to be a lot more patient. I am almost certain that they will currently be working on deals (I would imagine many will not be in the press). All or none of them may come off, but the point remains that you can’t just phone up a club have an hours chat and then agree a sale of an £11m asset. It’s just not that simple
344 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:59 PM
Alderwireld & aubemeyang please. They might be a commentators nightmare but two cracking players non the less
345 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM
Am I wrong ? I thought with a fully fit team pardew got some good results. This has been a bad season I know. If we had a fit and strong team all season, with all the best players, would we be in this position. Some say of course, pardew is crap and always was, puppet or some offensive word. I am not an expert like many on here who have managed in the premier league, but I am not sure in fergie could win the league while missing 9 first team players.
346 proudtobageordie // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:01 PM
mister tuff
he ain’t he sat next to me. he is kipping at mine tonight cause cabs is full lol
347 Ketsbaia9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM
He couldn’t have scored goals 40 years ago as he wasn’t born.
348 bzak12 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM
Spreadthetoon
I was in Pardue’s corner until Sat v Brighton what I was watching turned my guts now I am agreeing with you completely get him out now while we still have a chance to survive. Replace him with Blanc.
349 danishmag // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:02 PM
Mister Tuff..
You should learn to read ALL the things i wrote!
But i will repeat one thing that you may have missed…
The first couple of years with Ashley in charge he made mistakes.. do i need to spell it out too?.. (that includes the bidding under from the story from KK) I have seen that interview many times)
Since Promotion season Ashley has behaved, imo.. Only mistake was renaiming of st james..
Kets..
Thank you for backing some of the things, i said, up.
Cheers mate
350 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:03 PM
@kets
Correction; it was meant to say 40 foot, not 40 years
351 proudtobageordie // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM
mister tuff
on a serious note still confident he will sign this week IMO
352 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM
Kets
I was and I can remember the Hereford United result
353 davis_toons // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM
89Norcal // Jan 7, 2013 at 8:47 PM
How abt free kick?
354 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:06 PM
If i was in the coaching set-up, i’d be coming on blogs like this at night before bed to check the current feeling around the city. I sincerely hope they are not like. Some of the stuff on here is shocking like, based without any logic whatsoever. Alot are emotionally driven responces. This is how women come to conclusion lads, not men. Lets keep it together eh? Onwards and upwards. Good times are around the corner i feel.
Goodnight.
Toon Prodigy.
355 danishmag // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:08 PM
proudtobeageordie…
what´s the lattest on the medical you spoke of a couple of days ago?
356 Rake // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:08 PM
@ Frey Bentos
I was just commenting on Beattie’s thoughts on the photo. I couldn’t disprove it but the glare to me over Remy’s head shouldn’t come down across his head in such a manner. I’m no photo expert just an opinion on the photo either way it’s just speculation like everything on the blog.
357 89Norcal // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:08 PM
davis_toons
Got a point there. We have Cabaye as an additional goal scorer but on headers we are god awful.
But in open play we are better.
Btw who else thinks we should sign some more tough english midfielders? Seems like we get burned or outmuscled in the midfield when playing a team with a predominantly fast paced English midfield. Unless our movement and passing is on we get bullied so easily. Just look at the Brighton game.
358 danuneek // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZgThIduVo&feature=youtube_gdata_player if this the mentality of our players, no wonder we’re struggling. Unbelievable.
359 proudtobageordie // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM
Danishmag
don’t know that wern’t me sorry
360 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM
danishmag
I wish it was as simple and clearcut as you make out.
I don’t think our transfer windows could remotely be satisfactory when we have simply not signed any quality defenders. We have needed quality CB cover for at least four windows.
It isn’t just this season we have shipped goals. Its a kind of Toon tradition but one which we need to bury.
CL teams have miserly defences.
361 danuneek // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM
If this is mentality of our players no wonder we’re struggling. Unbelievable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOZgThIduVo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
362 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:11 PM
Toontinka why has it taken pardew 20 games to start a quality kid in marveaux in the team, eberyone can see he is decent yet with all the injuries we have had he still could not get ma start, and he would start every time for me, its the manager who plays favs time after time and they let us down time after time, perchinio give me strength there are loads of kids in the lower leagues better than him. he just runs around trying to stick a toe in and is desperate at defending crosses, lookk we missa fit cabaye and ben arfa without a shadow but most of these senior players have not performed anywhere near last season, as colo has said the tactics stink and the captain arguing with the manager is a sign of really bad things, colo included with jonas and simpson and williamson and cisse and santon and shola and even cabaye are all a shadow of last season obertan as usualis inconsistant as is sammy ameobi, is their a reason for all this?? well anita is coming through nicely and bigi has done well for us as has marv after being given a proper chance, two of the new members of the squad in those three and the other who hasnt been given afair crack like a few others but the ones who play all the time are letting us down week after week.
who the hell would put the same team out after 7 out of 8 defeats in a row like our manager did, he could have freshened it up nobody will tell me our squad members are any worse than simpson willy perch and jonas , they all would have done at the very least a better job..
363 bills-son // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM
Jail, what has gone wrong? I think Toon-Prodigy at 111 has given 80% of the answer. Our squad players aren’t good enough and coupled with the loss of form of Cabaye, Tiote and Guti and our ten man team when Cisse plays wide – there you have it.
I don’t agree with sackibg Pardew but me and Munster Mag both said in the summer that we hoped he wasn’t trying to keep Ba sweet by promising him he wouldn’t play wide again. I believe he did and that was a massive mistake. By pushing Cisse out wide Pardew weakened the structure of the team but strengthened Ba’s hand to score and get the move he and his agents wanted.
Another point I was banging on about even last season. Our CM is WEAK. Cabaye and Tiote are both decent players but not the superstars Toon fans built them up to last season. Cabaye especially rarely dominates a game and Tiote has imo let money and fame go to his head. All is not doom though because I believe both Tiote and Cabaye would be far more effective playing with a dominant CM with fist shaking leadership qualities. We don’t have one player in our squad who is a real leader on the pitch.
Having said all of that we have to remember that the squad is still work in progress. We’ve had shit luck with injuries to key players and that has made the failure to sign a couple more players in the summer all the more damaging.
Ashley has seen how things can go from bad to good quickly, and now he’s seen how the opposite can happen just as quickly. He’s got this transfer window to go some way to correcting his failure to invest in the summer if he doesn’t you and I will both question his commitment.
I still have faith that we will move forward under Ashley even though this bad run is testing everybody’s nerve – and nobody’s more the Pardew I bet.
Us fans have a massive part to play. We need to holler the house down at SJP because the team needs our support far more when the going is bad than when it is good. True supporters understand that, others get on players backs after the first bad pass. That’s my take for what its worth.
364 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Beattie women looks strong at least.
http://celebslists.com/19504-shelley-beattie.html
365 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM
Danish – you posed the question in your post -I merely responded with the answer -assuming you would not have asked the question if you knew the answer. You now reveal you have seen the KK tape numerous time -so why ask the question in the first place. You now have me confused.
366 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM
@Rake
I work within a photography business so i know a bit
And there is nothing in that photo to suggest it is a fake although that doesn’t mean it isn’t, it could be a very clever fake, but really why would anyone bother?
This is just case of certain posters loving their conspiracy theories, like when they make up stories of whats happening withing the club or why Pardew doesn’t play certain players and so on
367 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:16 PM
Yes Danish Mag it was proven in the KK tribunal that the club mislead the fans with transfer activity, ‘smokescreens’ many fans now call it, especially the defensive ITK’s when proven wrong.
I’m amazed how many fans cannot see a collective failure. From the board to Pardew to the players. Maybe it’s all linked, players aren’t performing for Pardew because they’re unmotivated and feel him and the board have failed them?
I could write down every single team we have out this season and ask you to justify out league position, you wouldn’t be able too. Our performances even with tiote, cabaye and hba weren’t great.
Also are Ashley and Llambias really to blame for a lack of spending? Every fan we have knows the club want to break even as soon as possible, they aren’t going to want to spend unless it will most definitely pay off. Surely it is down to the manager to ask for players and ask the club to consider the team before the accounts? I personally feel like Pardew didn’t do enough because to persuade the board for players because everything was rosey. I feel like the board failed in doing their all for players haggling over Debuchy perhaps considering the accounts more, I feel like a lot of the players this season have failed us with their performances but most of all it is Pardew I am unhappy with. I crave the day we rid ourselves of this group of pals who mock us Geordies with such disregard. They don’t care about any of you, passionless monsters
368 danishmag // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:17 PM
two steps..
you are right. We need better cb´s, and have for a long time.
But.. look at the high quality of midfielders and wingers/strikers we have gotten in over the last 3 years…
Tioté
Anita
Cabaye
Ben Arfa
Cissé
Those are all champions league material.
Next to be improved is defence, and we started with Debuchy. Next should be a CB with same quality as Coloccini. Then cover for all players next.
Rome was not build in one day!
369 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:18 PM
Bills – agree the fans have a part to play but I’ve seen the fans try hard and then boom we will concede and all of a sudden it’s glum faces and here we go again. We need a spark, look at the man city second half if you we’re there. We came out, had a crack at them and it lifted the roof.
370 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:19 PM
People keep complaining about Marveaux not being started earlier, how does anybody know whether his injury has not had some influence on his playing time this year, you have to remember the guy has a terrible history with injuries so maybe he hasn’t been rushed back for this reason, maybe he has had fitness isuues and its taken him a long time to get there
It could also just be a bad move by Pardew but the point im putting accross here is nobody here knows
371 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:20 PM
shay
you wouldn’t be the most interesting dinner guest, would you?
372 HullMag6 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:22 PM
Well said earlier shay, hell or high water always a toon.
Neggars need to give their heads a shake.
Imo I think we need
Remy (ba replacement)
Carroll for set plays and physical games (better than shola)
Sissoko
Alderwireld or Sakho
Pieters or another cb.
(Awaiting tongue lashing – whatever)
HWTL
373 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM
Beefman im done for tonight..
Marveux? Hasn’t he just been on the treatment table up until not long ago. He has been gently brought back in and is now being utilised?
Ok beefman,
Show me your team mate.. Show me a team with regards to our 1st starting 11 we seen consistently last season. And show me your team in regards to what you think is better, with our youngsters that has had to be involved due to injurys this season.
374 proudtobageordie // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM
nick 9
evening mate
agree totally with your previous post however
this is the hand we have been dealt and as long as that hand is on the table we need to get behing the club whether we agree with it or not. Confidence within the playing staff seems to be as low as a snakes ballbag so the last thing they need is us getting on there backs. I think the championship beckons if that materialises
375 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM
bill-son
i’m pleases you’re not being so unconditionally supportive of Batman and Robin any more. The jury is out and it could go either way and I agree with 363
376 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM
@mattyNUFC
Are you still in your high chair when at the dinner table?
377 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:24 PM
fray, on marvs
because HBA and santon were perfectly fine last year too. pardew exhibited a blatant hesitancy- for whichever reason- in giving any of those three consistent playing time until he could no longer deny their respective talents, while others, and arguably undeservedly at some points, like obertan, ryan taylor, shola/sammy etc were given chance after chance after chance
378 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Having played HBA too soon after injury more than once no surprise they’ve been cautious with Marv who has known vulnerabilities
379 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:27 PM
fray
really? he’s a man who takes great interest in subjects but refuses to discern, discuss, nearly mention or draw opinion any facet of that which he enjoys?
come off it.
380 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:27 PM
Toon Tinka,
I honestly hope no player, coach or staff associated with Newcastle united visits this blog. Imagine a player who had a bad game or got sent off reading all the abuse. I would be very sad and possibly detrimental to the esteem of the player an mood of play. The amount of negativity and abuse should not be welcomed or appreciated by Taff and players. It is shamefull and really unbalanced.
381 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM
Proudtobeageordie – I think us fans are behind the team, I am very impressed fans are still signing Pardew wonderland at sjp. The booing at the end is a shame but that is some fans way of showing their displeasure, I prefer to have a whine on here.
382 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM
nick, we bought debuchy for the same price as we offered in the summer it was the lille president as debuchy sad who put the block on it maybe cos lille were still in the champs leaguen it is quite a factor that you know.
I must say if nmost on here even bills son thinks our squad players at the moment are not as good as willo simmo perch jonas then we are in ral hot water, they just to be given a chance i have seen loads of young dummett and campbell really good lads and campbell for sure wont let us down.
Dummett got a chance out of nothing but he is solid and decent but who would have known, got a a very good left foot and they are rare are good left footed defenders, and of course until they are given a chance in the first team none of us will know but for pardew to say campbell was as good as anyone in training yet, bloody shola for christ sake weve seen it all before ,he has given Campbell him 15 mins all season that just stinks, WHEN YOU ONLY SEE TINY BITS OF PLAYERS ITS TAKEN FOR GRANTED THERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH WELL EVERYONE CAN SEE MARV IS MAYBE ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE CLUB HE JUST NEEDED A RUN IN THE TEAM, THERE WERE TIMES WEEK AFTER WEEK THAT HE WASNT EVEN MENTIONED ABOUT GETTING IN THE TEAM BEACUSE OF A BAD GAME V EVERTON IN SEPT.
sorry bout the caps!
383 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM
Also anybody building a team around HBA is living in dream land. Despite his amazing talent he is not consistent in matches and he also seems to get niggling injuries. If he plays 2 games in 3 during a season we will be lucky – which is also why I don’t think he is as attractive a signing as we make out.
384 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM
@matty
They are two different players, Marveaux is a different case, but in terms of Santon im sure he might have been injured when we first signed him then was given time to regain fitness if my memory serves me right
As for Ben Arfa, who knows why he wasn’t started ealier, but we up near the top of the league without him and then he was mint when he started player so seems like Pardew played that one well, can’t doubt the 5th position
385 proudtobageordie // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM
Nick 9
The team yes bur Pardew No
The manager needs our support as well. As for the board they can just rot in hell lol
386 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM
Beefman
Dummett needs to get some more notches on his belt playing for the buddies. He is getting good reviews in the SPL and it’ll do him a lot more good than sitting on our bench or being played too early.
387 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM
Beefman I’m optimistic about a lot of the youth players and believe if you’re good enough you’re too enough but some need a run of games. I believe the team we have isn’t strong enough to carry those youngsters at the minute and would love to send everyone of them out on loan. Sadly our fringe players aren’t a class up from the youngsters so they remain here and get the odd twenty minutes or cup appearance in a team that is under a lot of pressure, it isn’t fair on them.
388 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM
haha, love this pardew quote:
“I never thought we would be in the position we were in today, and we have to hold our hands up and say we should have bought more players”
he hold’s his hands up and still diverts all criticisms of his job performance…..our current form is all, 100% down to lack of signings. this guy’s ego has got to be f****** enormous
389 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM
@ Beef
That annoyed me as well. I was calling for Marv to be strted ages ago but people kept saying “he was shite for one half against Everton” and he is now looking like one of the most creative players at the club only behind HBA & Cabaye IMO. I get some players need time to bed in if they are very young but when Chelsea signed the likes of Hazard there is no way he would sit on the bench waiting for an opportunity, in a different league to Marv but still.
390 Mister Tuff // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM
proud @351.
If I had to bet my last pound on it I would go with Remy signing up – sometime.
Today was anticipated be a day when we would see some movement and I think with more or less nothing being reported other than Remy in Morocco people are wondering what the hell is going on. especially after seeing Dirty Arry slaverchops at the game last night in an audacious attempt to cross Remys palm with some pieces of silver. Other point there was no report of where the NUFC delegation were in France – led to more speculation -I can only assume they were getting somebody else signed up.
I still think Ashley has learnt his lesson and that there will be several more through the door.
I do think perhaps they might have tried to get the new CB through the door in time for the Norwich game. but I suppose we are all just going to have to wait to see what happens next.
391 nightfa11 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM
shay Robson
its not that we hate pardew..we just know hes out of his depth..
9 players missing ok..for a few matches..point is weve been crap all season..pardews playing hoof ball with cabaye & hatem & cisse & maveaux.. always having some lame excuse..never admits hes wrong yet clamis hes a winner..ffs.. hed probably play hoof ball with barca too.. our starting elevens not that different from barcas..=) ok ok..but still..more then capable of similar football..
point is our squad have enough quality to be in 10th place (at least) even if taylor & cabaye got injured… i think wilis the 2nd worst player ever (behind smith), but still..
pardew lost the dressing room..players stopped fighting.. my guess is they want him out.. cabaye, hatem, etc wont spend their best years playing BSA tactics.. i think pardew wants carroll so hell have a reason to play this style.. “yeah weve been after andy for over a year now..we spend a lot on money on him & me & my staff belive hes the guy to takes us forward..”..hoof ball till 2025..& having cisse on wings to support andy…wow..
392 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:33 PM
Matty,
Dinner guest?
393 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:35 PM
@MattyNUFC
No he is just reasonable enough to realise that he can’t possibly know the exact reasons for many issues and factors that go on at the club, football and players.
You have to be quite ignorant to think you know everything thats going on and can adequately discuss it with any real insight
394 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:37 PM
Nightfa11,
Wow, you know much about tactics, the dressing room and our recruitment. Are you on the staff at the club?
395 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:40 PM
Still they go on, lets just forget about Marveaux’s injury problems shall we, or is that Pardews fault aswell?
396 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:41 PM
bzak12 @ 348
Its not pretty…..I do not want to see AP out. What I want is AP to admit his mistakes (even if it is to himself) and turns things around.
Sadly I am of the opinion that he may not be able to do that……and I am seriously concerned that he may well have lost the dressing room. IMO AP cannot handle big players……he failed at West Ham with Mascerano and Tevez and he failed with Ba. One of the main reason why things have spectacularly combusted is that AP appeased Ba and forgot about the team, the shape and that we have plenty of players who when played in their right positions who can score! For me AP’s got one more game to fix it……
You see I try to have a reasonable debate with those defending AP. I completely understand their position…..but the point that really gets me is that there is little or no acknowledgment of APs failings this season…..its all too easy to blame it on something else. Remember AP lauded our youth and how gr8 they were….even mentioned players like Sammy…….but quite frankly Sammy is no where near ready for EPL…….may never be. Same applies to Fergie IMO. And yet AP assured one and all that the squad was more than capable……how badly did he get that wrong!
397 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM
fray
are you crazy? do you honestly believe i said or am insinuating i know EVERYTHING that goes on at the club??? that is what you hypothesize when i say a man might make a horrible dinner guest because he cannot form opinion without firsthand experience so thus our conversations would seemingly be confined to only things he and i had done, seen, heard or accomplished already?
the things people will say to fit their argument online….i tell ya
398 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM
@spreadthetoon
“One of the main reason why things have spectacularly combusted is that AP appeased Ba and forgot about the team, the shape and that we have plenty of players who when played in their right positions who can score!”
How do you know this?
399 nightfa11 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:45 PM
shay Robson
no, but nor are ashley & lambias football experts to say pardews the best man for the job..
& you..we dont know so we cant comment…what is this? are you human? can observe people? you watch 5 hours of football a week all your life? so you know enough to have an opinion..
400 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:45 PM
Marv has been fit all season for the first time in his career and he was chomping at the bit to get a start and when he played v wigan it was beacuse jonas got a knock the week before, or pardew would not put him in ahead of joinas bloody criminal for me especially at home when we need to get thecrowd up on its feet, jonas has not got me on my feet once in the last two seasons, oh yes he scored one didnt he.
i have said no centre half in the summer was bang out of order we should have done everything to get one in at the very least. williamson was rubbing his hands and putting his hand through his hair knowing saylor only playsn an average of 15 games a season, so thats the boards fault and maybe he has to play (a nightmare)
my team on the regular basis would have been taking in to account no benny cabaye saylor
krul
tavernier
santon
colo
willy/ dummett as he is easily as good
anita
tiote
ferguson just needs more of the ball and kept on second half
marveaux
cisse
campbell, no hesitation he will set the gallowgate alight if he gets chances. but lets not make an assumption on one 45 mins or 20 mins, hes the quickest of the last player in the squad intelligent level headed and brings other players in to play, we are missing a trick even now, same level easy as stirling at liverpool and always thought of that coming through the ranks in the england youth set up.
401 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:46 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8308820/Midfielder-Sylvain-Marveaux-wants-to-play-more-regularly-for-Newcastle-United
I was certain I remembered marveaux saying he has been fit all season and waiting for his chance. I admit he didn’t look up for a lot of games but not did Anita
402 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:46 PM
fray you’re just on it today, huh? going after any form of dissent aint ya little guy? ha, if newcastle was a political system you’d be a nationalist
403 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:48 PM
@matty
No i replied to this message by yourself
“really? he’s a man who takes great interest in subjects but refuses to discern, discuss, nearly mention or draw opinion any facet of that which he enjoys?
come off it”
Where you have ripped into someone elses opinion, then i replied with my thoughts on what he said and you have taken it as a personal insult when i never singled you out, don’t give it out if you can’t take it
404 89Norcal // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM
I guess no one showed mattyNUFC the Kevin Keegan video, and the Joey Barton radio appearance as well.
405 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:51 PM
fray i do agree about BA he wasappeased by pardew he scored goals but it upset the whole apple cart fair point, on marv
406 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:51 PM
Oh and Shay if you think this blog is bad don’t go on twitter will you… There’s some vile creatures on there who regularly abuse our own players. I admit that I strongly dislike a few of our players to the extent I want them gone but i fail to see how abuse is productive for Nufc.
407 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:52 PM
fray
are you deluded? my feelings have nothing to do with any of this….you on the other hand i am worried about. you spend night and day chasing down these neggars and i’m worried it’s starting to consume other aspects of your life
408 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:56 PM
haha matty, i like it how you go round making jibes at posters then when someone comments on your posts you deem that as nationalists!! haha
bless. have you just started studying politics at school and couldn’t wait to use one of your new words?
409 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 9:57 PM
fray i do agree about BA he was appeased by pardew he scored goals but it upset the whole apple cart fair point.
Marv is maybe only behind ben arfa as the best technical player at the toon imo and can unlock a defence brilliantly, his cross for one of our goals v man utd was the best by one of our players all season.
He has been fit all season but it is the managers fault he has not been included in the first half of the season, especially when we have been getting stuffed most of the time and he was still playing the same team!! he has been far to over cautious has AP imo we need the keys to unlock defences marv can and will do it with more playing time i am sure of that.
410 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:00 PM
Matty,
I do enjoy philosophy and discussing theories and opinions, however my factual knowledge on playing, managing and owning a premier league club in non existent. I don’t see the point in speculating, abusing, or making hinges up.
I love the toon and will support every part always. A rare fan I guess.
Unfortunately opinions an theories often get confused with facts and expertise. Maybe the lack of experience and understanding should be made explicit when making the opinion. Apologies if I offend. There appears to me that there are many nary experts here at times.
How about people express something positive in this dark debth of misery that we are in. Hmmmm. Abuse of owner, manager, players and fans gets exhausting. Most of whom no one has met or knows.
Ok what is you all time starting toon 11 in all the time you have supported them?
411 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:00 PM
@matty 407
haha talk about the pot calling the kettle black
412 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:01 PM
@beefman
But how do you really know Marv has been 100% all season?
413 mattyNUFC // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:02 PM
shay
was more of a joke, nothing personal
fray
what? I haven’t learned that analogy in school yet?
414 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM
fray @ 398
Let me start by saying that everyone’s opinion on here is merely conjecture to a larger or greater extent. Now this is what I am basing my opinion on…..
Ba played part of the game @ Everton and some of that was on the wing. Ba had played on the wing before he came to the EPL.
After the game, Ba’s agents bemoaned (2) things. (1) Ba on the bench (2) Ba on the wing
They threatened that Ba would leave in January if Ba was not played in the middle. Ba is and always has been a journeyman.
So Ba and his agents wanted him to be in the shop window all of the time! I believe that everyone knew that for the good of the team it would have been better playing our no. 9 i.e. our main striker in the central role and Ba on the wing. It was effective in our previous season. But as Ba and his agents threw the dummy out the pram…..AP appeased Ba by always playing him in the centre….despite everyone else knowing that Cisse was nullified on the wing and for the greater good of the team…Ba was more effective on the flank. So yes, IMO AP did appease Ba and his agents 100%. And guess what…….Ba did well for NUFC, but he did even better for himself @ the cost of the greater good of the team….that my opinion on the matter….apologies if that grates with you. No one is saying Ba has not been great for us and sadly missed but I do believe that our shape during the 2nd half of the season will be better, and I also believe that we will score a lot more goals in the 2nd half than the 1st. Of course people will put this on players coming back…..I will put it on our team having a better shape in the absence of Ba.
415 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:04 PM
Fray because marveaux told us so in that article?
Beefman when we signed Debuchy I was actually very worried Pardew would try and hold him back to learn the game. Unfortunately for Simpson he has broken his toe so Debuchy will have to learn whilst doing. Pardew also seems to rate Debuchy and his ability to assess when to go forward or not
416 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:06 PM
Nightfa11,
I do watch lots of ootball and have watched Newcastle for many decades. I do know there is more than meets the eye and have many opinions. Williomson is bloody annoying me at the moment. It not my call to sack him or to say why he is paying bad.
417 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:08 PM
@spreadthetoon
I understand where your coming from
But you could also say that Cisse started the season upfront very badly and Pardew moved Ba to that position to guarantee goals which he did as Cisse wasn’t.
Also all the agent talk is at the end of day still paper talk and you have to take it with a pinch of salt
418 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:09 PM
@nick_9
In which article?
419 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:11 PM
Listen lads, we can improve, the manager needs to be more positive and give less of the excuses for defeats by his over cautious teams he is putting out.
Cisse will get goals from the number 9 position, maybe BA going will change the tactics and hopefully a couple more new ones in freshen it up a bit more, we have a tough one v norwich down there no dopubts but let us not be so predictable we may well have the clietel available to start going on a good run, im sure houghton will want to put one over on us but that is natural. lets make this our first home and away victories of the season.
But please not just hoof ball tactics as they have some big bloody defenders, come on lets mix it up and cisse to start firing the bullets from marvs gun! lets just keep the ball, on the ground a bit more we have some very good technical ability in the squad lets use it instead of wasting it!
There, a positve post to end the evening, over to you Mr Pardew
420 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:12 PM
@beefman13
Here here!!
421 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM
Thanks for the heads up nick,
I work in suicide intervention and do not see the point in abuse at strangers and get tired of it. Even in football. It’s not supportive.
@ Matty
No problem mate,
What’s your all time ristorante 11 for he toon
422 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:13 PM
Spread with all that in mind surely then club Gould of had some contingency plans in place if Ba left? Hopefully we won’t leave it until the very end of Jan to recruit a striker if we do recruit one. And to whoever was talking about contracts earlier a contract can be made and signed in a matter of days, if you tell me otherwise then why haven’t we had plans in place in case players leave? Or do we not scout once they leave? Hopefully we get a decent cb and striker in asap so we can all give it a rest, including myself.
423 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:15 PM
fray
I stand by my words….if and its a big IF….but IF AP can turn things around I am very confident that our WHOLE team will score a lot more goals. But this is dependent upon AP playing it along the surface…….irrespective of injuries.
I remember AP saying “control midfield you control the game”. Well no one ever controlled midfield with long high balls…….I’m not gonna knock our players….but I am more than happy to have a swipe at AP who IMO has royally screwed up this season…..admit injuries have not helped but even so…..we should be in much better shape than we are.
Another B&H display…..and I think AP’s gone….sorry if I’m being a neggar…..I just think that there is some truth in what I am saying. Do I think it would be healthy for AP to go now, mid-window etc…..absolutely not….but I see all of the next 3 games as 6 pointers each….we’ve got to get 7 pts from that lot IMO, if not we could be very well FUBAR’d!
424 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:16 PM
Fray, Marv has been fit, as first of all i noticed him sitting on the bench for two thirds of the season with his kit on clicking his heels and whispering obsenities in the direction of the manager ha ha
425 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:19 PM
Great post beef man, now that is a post. Opinion, reality from observation, constructive criticism and lacking superiority and personal abuse. Take note.
426 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:19 PM
Jesper @123
You’re right, no R-sole and I would’t even venture to suggest who the scar resembles!
427 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:20 PM
Fray – http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/12/04/i-ve-got-much-more-to-offer-says-sylvain-marveaux-72703-32357256/
Marveaux said he has been fit all season, so I’m led to believe Pards has been holding him back as a learning curve. Not knocking Pards though as its hard to predict how Marv would have played back then had he been given the chance. I will say though that certain players frustrated me and were persistently given chances early on like obertan.
Shay – you should probably avoid Facebook as well, horrid place were prople crave attention and others love dishing out abuse
428 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:21 PM
Ok my opinion,
Marv had been out for a very long time Beefman. He hasn’t exactly set the team a light with his performances to date apart from the last few games. I think Pardew has done good with this lad. He maybe could of played him earlier but we have had a very selfish situation going on in regards to our forward line. Do you drop Cisse and put him in? or do you try and build cisse’s confidence and see if he clicks with Ba. I think Everyone would of loved to see them click and bang 10 goals each at this point. Sadly, it wasnt to be.
if you are thinking of employing marv on the left.. in regards to Jonas. Jonas dosn’t play as a winger now. He is there to help encourage Santon to get forward. Jonas is in the team for defensive duties now and to encourage santon forward. Santon has came on heaps and bounds because of it. its a massive gamble asking santon and marvuex to operate the full left handside. I like santon but his defending still needs to advance alot. i think it could be very dangerous tbh with that left handside. So this is why imo jonas still has his place in the team. Jonas workrate and defending goes i think a little un-noticed at times. He is there to help santon forward and to defend.
Tavernier imo should be no where near the first team pool. He is not a first team newcastle united player (yet.) Can you really tell me this lad is a premier league right back? They would tear him to shreds. Not his fault, he just isnt at that level yet.
Same goes for dummet mate. I have not seen much of the lad tbh. This is the premier league tho, he will be tore apart with his lack of experience. These lads should be out on loan, not playing 1st team football in the prem for newcastle united.
I like bigi. He’s got talent. Really athletic. But is he really a premier league centre mid yet? I dont think so. Good enough for the bench tho
429 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:22 PM
@beefman
Just becuase he was on the bench, doesn’t mean he was 100% match fit, maybe he was only fit enough to play sub appearances, sorry if im sounding pedantic its just in my nature not to assume things unless i know for certain.
@spreadthetoon
I do agree AP has made some big mistakes this season but im not entirely sure if the constant high balls have been a clear decision by AP but rather the outcome of poor tactics and badly performing players, its obviously something which needs to be rectified (and we have played less as the season has gone on) but im not sure if Pardew has actually went out and requested the players to play it long, again this is just pure speculation by me
430 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Spreadthetoon, your correct in my opinion, the manager has to change our style he really has to, WE CAN STILL GO ON A DECENT RUN, HAS HE THE COURAGE TO DOWN HIS OWN EGO AND ADMIT HE HAS BEEN GETTING IT WRONG, WHICH RESULTS PROVE HE HAS.
Its a massive risk if he sticks to the long ball game, come on alan especially when cabaye and benny come back as well let us out pass and out think our opponents instead of them having us sussed from the start beacuse if your a defender and you know what is coming its half the battle.
431 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:25 PM
nick_9
I think “Taking the Papiss” made a good point on transfers…..but the reality is that its all relative as to how quickly NUFC respond in comparison to other peer clubs. By that notion we are incredibly slow, verging on pedestrian.
I am completely at a loss as to how MA/DL conduct their transfer dealings…..I suspect that it is unique to that of every other club in the EPL. If the rumours regarding DL are true with him slagging off past mgrs etc……I suspect that he would not come across too well at other clubs. I just seem him like Arthur Dailey out of Minder…….its just another car with a dodgy motor trade business. The only thing I do know is that we are likely to loose at least one “purple” this or next window…..probably to fund future transfers….its what other clubs do…..just hope its not Cabaye or HBA!
432 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:26 PM
@nick_9 427
Well the players opinion might differ from the Physio’s but this would certainly suggest Pardew has messed up not playing him earlier, i hope he stays in the team one cabaye and ben arfa come back
433 two steps forward one step back // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:26 PM
Well let’s just hope we don’t get Sparky then if it all goes tits up at Norwich.
Lot of bitching on here tonight so glad to escape
434 Offkey // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:28 PM
Fray – Are you not assuming he was unfit…..or anything other than fit?
435 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:31 PM
After 11 games we had 14 points, what do we have now after 21 games? 20 points? It’s really inexcusable given the teams we have played. The next three games are very important and I was hoping the club would have brought in more than one player almost a week into the window with three vital games coming up.
The fans have been more supportive/less angry then I imagined at the games but I feel if we drop into the dreaded relegation zone or lose the next home game then the pressure will well and truly be on.
436 hotdog // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:32 PM
Spreadthetoon – hatem is the one asset that Europe’s top clubs will come looking for and I will dread that day. I love watching him the way I did with pedro.
437 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:34 PM
Same with Ferguson beefman, employing him on the left with santon left back is gona be very forward minded.
I like ferguson i think he is a cracking toung player. Do you think Ferguson is good enuf to operate on the left wing for the Toon tho? Everyones opinion will differ. But is he a premier league left winger? Imo None of these youngins should be anywhere near getting in that squad.
Sammy, ferguson, abeid, ranger, tavenier, bigi should all be out on loan right now in a perfect world. Sadly our lack of quality in depth will not allow that. And that i blame the board for mate
438 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:35 PM
Toontinka, my opinion is i would rather watch tav any time of the day than simpson and he may have been out of position a few times but i believe he will improve game on game, simpson is awful so you cant really defend the lad, and to say he would get ripped to shreds well i have not seen the lad ripped to shreds yet in europe, i dont believe he would but its opinions, and as for williamson well just about every toon fan is fed up with the fella and i have seen him ripped to shreds.
Jonas for me slows the game right down its stop start fall over or foul, he hasnt the pace to get by a player or the ability as we have all seen to put a decent cross in he lets the other team get back in to position and spoils any fluidity in our team im sorry but ive watched us get stuffed time after time with willy jonas perch and simpson to know they are not premiership standard especially this season.
i dont even think tav has played a game in the prem, but its all about opinions and if dummett is not better than willy then he may as well give it up now, willy turns about as quick as a tin of fray bentos ha ha
439 fray bentos // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:36 PM
@offkey
Im not assuming anything, i simply don’t know
440 nightfa11 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:36 PM
shay Robson
yeah i know..it just bugs me when its clear things are messed up, 2 signings wont fix it.. ok will probably climb a table if we sign a cb or a st…but knowing pardew we wont play to teams strengths..so we wont see what this team is capable off.. cos if pardew sticks to it, players will want to leave..thats for sure.. how often do you see colo complaining?..telling manager hes wrong in front of whole squad.. thats a pretty big indicator to me that pardew is loosing the battle..
441 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM
I’ve a contact in the Vatican who’s told me that the Pope’s on the way to Newcastle for a medical to join us a central defender.
But, the signings don’t just end their.
Others with contacts in high places have told me that he’ll be joined by Barack Obama (midfield playmaker), Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (attacking midfield) and Benjamin Netanyahu (striker) are on their way too.
Expect medicals and signings tomorrow.
Remember where you heard it first
442 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:37 PM
Beefman
Bang on lad…..we have IMO one of the best midfields in the EPL(no seriously!)….and yet we have not used our technical players. Furthermore we have sat too deep……people complained about Cabaye this season….really unsure of their football knowledge but you NEVER play a player like that….far too deep. So IMO AP has to be MUCH MORE positive and attacking.
As for defense, nearly all our goals have been conceded or started from the right flank….Simmo is not a RWB and has been found out ALL SEASON……this has meant our entire back four has been out of shape. Debuchy will fix this! People then go on about Collo but then do not recognise that he has Willo to his right who’s gone walk about cos of Simmo therefore completely out of place and Santon so far up the pitch with no wing cover! (hence Jonas). Also our wings are at fault for not covering back e.g. Obertan at Brighton……unforgiveable, poor show!
443 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:39 PM
Toontinka – how so other teams manage with an attacking fullback and a winger then? Is it not about training? Style? Other players drop back for the attacking players? Jonas has offered nothing going forward and little in Defense. I can’t remember what home ame it was but santon stayed back more and Jonas did the attacking, he was awful. Why not let other teams worry about us for once? Our mentality is let’s contain or worry about other teams when it should be let’s see if they can contain us. We finished fifth and have dangerous players. I think we’ve got a small club mentality based on Not conceding. Santon goes forward so a midfielder stays back?
444 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM
Bills son & shay robson. I agree
445 lesh // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM
It’s never a show without punch is it?
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2013/01/07/liverpool-newcastle-united-5m-battle-to-sign-impressive-young-french-hot-prospect/
446 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:41 PM
Oh and we actually very rarely see any kind of support in attack, we never commit men forward. The amount of times we have been attacking and there has been one man in The box with four or five defenders. It has been refreshing to see Anita and marveaux in and around the box
447 hotdog // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:43 PM
Lesh – it’s not funny. Stop it
I see moyes fielded a full strength team tonight in the fa cup. There are number of toon managers over the years that could have been legends if they had thought the same way!
448 GAZ09 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:47 PM
Looks like the rest of this week is going to be pretty much the same as today
449 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:51 PM
Tinker, santon did not give the ball once to his winger ferguson v west ham and then swansea, would you imagine that happening in the days of our KK team in the 90`s to this day it was the most selfish i have ever seen a toon player in santon even though i do like the lad getting forward it was all about him, i was nearly on the pitcjh to tell hi to stop being so selfish ha ha, ferie will come in to his own in a second half the more ball he gets he tends to look a bit lost out on the wing but he is told to play there and just needs the ball given to him, but pardew subbing him twice was an easy option for him and thats what pardew does .
Bigi has already shown he is capable in the prem and even on saturday he put in 100 per cent, remember the great goal v wigan, hes only 18 as well but he is a prospect no doubt, im terying to get across fans saying the younger players are not good enough when it has been the seniors in the prem all the time letting the team down.
Christ younger playersa played a gainst a bordeaux team who have not been beaten only once in europe at home in ten years and from then it was a case of these are not good enough, bordeaux were just very good it does happen.
i will stick by them i have watched them in their careers, i have also watched half our senior team who at this moment if they did not ever play another game for us i would not bat an eyelid, simmo obertan williamson jonas perch. thats just my opinion all inconsistant and we have seen what they all can do and if we want to move forward thgese have to be fazed out, they dont know the wars over!
450 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:52 PM
Beefman & nick im not defending jonas.
Id have him out in a flash. Im all for a winger being a winger.
But what im saying, is ferguson or marveux a better option? Yes, id play marveux on current form but the past 6 months? they have all had a go now. I think it would leave us very vulnerable tbh. What we have in jonas is premier league experience and good work ethic which is what santon deserves infront of him does he not? Ferguson is still very inexperienced, and marveux as good as he has been this past month. Could he bring the best out of Santon?
Williamson and Simpson are hopeless, but again, are the players to come in really at prem standard? For me the truth is they just arnt. They are huge gambles.
Its way past my bedtime.
Toon Prodigy.
451 manxpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:54 PM
has any 1 else realised that with the injuries we’ve had this year that pretty much all our replacement players from last season have been out too and most of them for most of the season (gosling,raylor,vuckic ober)
now to me thats a massive problem not just the key player injuries but them to
can you imagine how man u would be doin if they had van persie,vidic,valencia,carrick, out and then had scholes,giggs,ferdinand,nani .chico out aswell
they wouldn’t be anywhere near the top!
so how can some of you not see this as THEE major reason for a crap season and how the hell is it not an excuse?
we didn’t replace bestie and i think gosling and vuckic were earmarked for guthries spot, we obviosly needed a CB and a FB(we’ve got him now 6 months 2 late) IMO and these problems are all down to the men above pardew
and btw people who say pardew hasn’t took any blame this season he’s held his hands up on quite a few occasions to be fair!
452 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 10:58 PM
Beefman
Fergie….sorry not anywhere near EPL.
Marveaux is not a winger – he’s CAM
Jonas……winger days over….better suited as DM, reads game and can string a pass just needs to adjust
Also Beefman, if our senior players are not playing well / inconsistent how much emphasis do you place on the manager? Look at ‘arry and QPR……he’s almost got as many pts as Pardew in about 1/3 of the time!
453 ToonTinka // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Lads with respect, im sticking to my guns.
The youngins you see on the pitch should be no where near the first team. NUFC deserves a hell of alot better. And as much as talk of tactics and so on. I blame the board for a lack of quality throughout the squad to cover. Im 100% behind the coaches at this point. Ill look again and decide if pards is to blame when we are running at 100% with a few fresh faces.
Goodnight lads, god bless
454 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:01 PM
To simplify for the Pardew sympathisers what many people have finally realised, some sooner than others.:-
Lack of investment, injury problems taken into account.
DIGEST BEFORE READING ON.
There are managers out there that would be delighted to have the opportunity to work with our current squad who could produce a far more consistent, coherent team.
Do we want to make do with someone who is clearly not up to the job any longer?
455 lewytoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Who recorded the video at 361? The ranger best spar
456 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:01 PM
Nightfa11,
If here were no arguments I would be concerned. Glad they are having them. When I managed business I often fought itch owners and supervisors. We still had a beer and Groton with business. How about henry and winger, Keane an fergie and the list goes on.managers and players fight allege time. Remember after a clean sheet pards and colo hugged. There is a is play of passion. And do you hug people you do not respect?
457 manxpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:05 PM
betty name them then?
458 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:08 PM
manxpie
No one argues injuries but can you explain any of the other things….see comments @ 205, 322….?
459 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:15 PM
If we sign a cb, rb and play 4:5:1 I think it would be hard for Pardew to get it wrong in all
honesty. Maybe that’s me just not giving the Pardew credit but for me some players don’t need much coaching. I bet hoots didn’t have to rally the troops with Nolan, Barton, Taylor etc, would the 4:4 against arsenal have happened had Barton not inspired it?
460 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:18 PM
Sign a cb, with the new rb*
I say It every day but were desperate for both a cd and a st, if cisse and collo get injured we are stuffed
461 Spuggy // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:19 PM
Injuries:
P Cisse Hip/Thigh Injury 12th Jan 13
F Coloccini Hamstring Injury 12th Jan 13
D Simpson Broken Toe 19th Jan 13
J Gutierrez Knee Injury 12th Jan 13
H Ben Arfa Hamstring Injury 2nd Feb 13
S Taylor Hamstring Injury 12th Jan 13
Y Cabaye Groin/Pelvis Injury 12th Jan 13
D Gosling Knee Injury no return date
H Vu?ki? ACL Knee Injury May 13
R Taylor ACL Knee Injury Mar 13
Plus Demba Ba leaves and Tiote at ACoN.
Pretty grim reading. It’s not all Pards fault like, some of it yes, but mainly down to injuries and bad luck.
462 Spuggy // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:20 PM
We are top of the EPL injury league table btw
463 Spuggy // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:21 PM
Even discounting Cisse and Collo (recent injuries) we have 8 first team players out (inc tiote).
464 Spuggy // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:23 PM
And by that I mean starters.
465 Spuggy // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:23 PM
echo echo echo
466 manxpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM
well spread are defense has been shite and as i said before we needed 2 replacements in that department i personally think simson is a good defender but not a good full back and willo is good back up but he knows he’s playing week-in week-out and this again is because of the men above pardew
you can’t deny that he was pissed off with the summer window and i’m pretty sure the players were too,
and the long balls have mainly been from the 2 aforementioned players (plus krul) who aren’t ball playing players they panic on it
if you watched the fulham game krul hoofed it up long and got a bollicking of pardew and again you have to admit he’s been playing it out alot more recently.
the problem is thats wat pardew has got to work with and no back up i’m very excited to see debuchy i think thats already a more balanced team.
corners are a bit of a mystery i suppose we ain’t got the biggest team and this season the only time i’ve seen us change it up a bit we nearly scored (crackin collo header)
but again if all our players were fit and playing the our best team for more than 1 game at a time i’m sure all of them stats would rocket because IMO a settled team can become a great team.
Plus to be fair i’ve read a hell of alot of posts on here this season sayin pardews JUST using injuries as an excuse
467 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:30 PM
Spuggy
Cisse/Collo/Simpson – recent injuries
J Gutierrez – sufficient cover for position
H Ben Arfa – rushed back too early – Fulham match – fault of medical staff / mgr
S Taylor – long term injury gr8 loss
Y Cabaye – long term injury gr8 loss
D Gosling – not really 1st teamer
H Vu?ki? ACL- not really 1st teamer
R Taylor – long term injury – big loss but not regular 1st teamer
So Spuggy from that we’ve had 3 long term players out. Saylor was out last season as well. Cabaye has been the biggest loss.
Remaining injuries either short term or not regular starters so cannot see how all these injuries have completely rail roaded our entire season?
468 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:31 PM
Toontinka @453
Completly agree 100% the only ones of our youngsters who look any kop are bigi and possibly dummett although hard to judge on a good 45 mins
Sammy looks clueless when starting he just runs round n round!
Fergie same as above when on the wing but with high floaty crosses that 9/10 are easily collected and when at FB he has no right to be in the team
Tavernier has been pretty dire in 90% of his appearences this season and possibly put in the worst FB shift ive ever seen vs brighton in the first half made simmo look like alves!
Abied was non exsistent
Gosling doesnt look cut out to be playing at this level
Vuckic just cant see him getting anywhere with his injury record
If this group is the future of the toon were fcuked!!!
469 manxpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM
oh and spreadthetoon can ya look at my man u reference and give me your oppinion on how they would fair in the same circumstances?
infact if van persie was ijured in there 1st game i think we’d see a very different table
470 manxpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:35 PM
“injured”
471 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:40 PM
manxpie
My point on injuries…….we’ll just replied to Spuggy so I think this should explain my feeling.
Agree summer window was a complete cock up and I was furious by our lack of activity. Agree a settled regular side does make a lot of difference.
Long ball has been inexcusable as has been tactics….too obvious…even all the pundits have come out and said that. Played that way for 10 games at least, have only seen improvement in last 5……but then again Everton was -ve and B&H was absolutely disgusting!
Another B&H performance and AP is done….
Worst EPL performance ever……
AP appeased Ba IMO, big big mistake!
AP ground out results with Simmo/Willo/Collo/Santon last year but unable to replicate the same this year?
+ve’s
Debuchy will shore up defensive shape, Simmo is a RB but not a RWB.
Good passing at OT and Emirates…spirited and unlucky not to get anything!.that’s it for me….every other game has not seen 90 mins
472 Toonacious T // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:41 PM
bill-son @ 363- Spot on mate but when u say MA will eventually come good, what constitutes success for you?
473 manxpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:41 PM
spread that is my main point you say all them players are not really 1st teamers but they all were our replacements for injured/suspended players last season vuckic and gosling were getting coached into the team last season IMO to play much bigger parts this season and raylor in hindsight has been a massive loss i think he brings alot of spirit to the squad and is obviously loved by all the players
474 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:44 PM
tads, i know you dont like our youngins but i think they are fine, fergie has more assists from crosses than any other player in our team and has played a quarter of the games???
i have seen jonas give the ball away more times in one game than fergie in all the games he has played, ok i stick up for the lad he was made a scapegoat by pardew simple as, but you then say dummett eho i like as well but you say he may maje it after 45 mins football, that sums a lot of toon fans up
I have watched them in the reserves over a few years and if you ever come across peter beardsley on his travels ask him what he thinks of fergie and for that matter any of the players at the toon and they will all tell you hes a top player, as i said earlier marveaux was written of by nearly every toon fan after the everton game away.
475 tannerabag // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:47 PM
Anyone noticed the resemblance between Ashley, Lambias and Pardew with the three Wonga puppets?
476 nick_9 // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:48 PM
Sorry lads but what has van Persie got to do with out? He is the leading scorer and main point getter at Man U? The equivalent of Demba Ba for us. After eleven games we was up there four points off I think 7th or 6th, since then we have only gotten 6 points which coincides with cabayes injury. He got injured in the west ham game and hasn’t been seen since then, the same game that was the start of our bad spell even though he was off form.
477 beefman13 // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:50 PM
Toonacious, would you call europa league qualification in our second season back in the prem coming good?
478 Spreadthetoon // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:53 PM
manxpie
Our long term injuries this season:-
(1) Saylor
(2) Cabaye
(3) Raylor
That’s it……Cabaye is our biggest loss of the season and is of great importance to the team, but AP has played him far far too deep when he has been fit. In fact AP seems unable to play players to their strenghts and then fudges them into formations when clearly it does not work. AP’s outllook is to nullyify his own team for fear of conceding! Guess what…..we concede more not less.
RVP analogy is completely false as we have had both Ba and Cisse start most if not all of the season. You could perhaps mention Scholes or Cleverly as a realistic perspective to Cabaye. The reality is Man U would be impacted, but not as much as they have greater depth but the greatest reality is that when you do break down our season the most disruptive thing has been not having a settled side. That stated our back line has been consistent most of this season so I cannot defend the shocking performances that have been displayed. Whoever the defensive coach is they should be fired!
479 manxpie // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:54 PM
whats B&H lol
and the everton game did you know everton played alot more long balls than us.
i agree with the ba situation but the pressure the team was under he’d have come under a hell of alot more stick if he dropped our top scorer and ended up with the same results
for me he’s damned if he does or doesn’t at the mo
this season was a feck-up from the summer window and the massive injury list we’ve had thats it
if we had our full team and subs available all season and a settled team we would be in a much better position and ALL of us wuold be much much happier
but this is nufc i suppose
blame the board and bad luck more than pardew!
480 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:57 PM
Beefman
Read the post
I said dummett maybe but its hard to judge on one half of football but you only have to look at the rave reviews from st mirrens
Fergie has a few assitts but how many in the prem? One? The rest against reserve defences and europa teams we should bd beating easier than we are
Plus comparing him at argueably his best form against jonas at his worst form in his career doesn’t mean he’s a top player it just highlights the fact that if were relying on players of his calibre we desperatly need investment
Its got nothing to do with liking them its the fact that these boys have no right playing prem level yet not one of them should be in the team they should all be on loan and if we continue to use them like this they will never make it
The tactics arguement aside the brighton game was a perfect chance fir some of those lads to stake a claim but the truth is it was one of the most gutless pathetic excuse of a performance ive ever witnessed those lads should of been busting a bollo(k instead they were walking around like a bunch of spoilt arrogant little muppets and personally dont think they deserve to pull on the shirt again this season
481 shay Robson // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Spread. Am hmmmmm
Colo/ Simpson were injured and suspended early on and for vital games, Gutierrez has been a first team starter, vukic was meant to be a bigger part this season and do not underestimate Ryan Taylor, who has been a big part of the team last year, playing everywhere , scoring and a solid performer.
You hold be employed as a medic at Newcastle or maybe you can magically predict the future. That call on hba is obviously in your expertise. Lets get real and please no speculating. It’s another form of making thins up or lying.
482 beddersmag // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:58 PM
Nick
To be fair cabaye was useless this season when he was fit. Never found any form or top level fitness after euros.
483 Spuggy // Jan 7, 2013 at 11:59 PM
Mistakes/problems in order of importance:
1) MA/DL should have consolidated our position in the summer by getting a CB, LB and CF in addition to Anita.
2) This seasons injuries and suspensions have been unprecedented – but most importantly to our best players, namely collo, cabaye, tiote, and HBA. For those saying Tiote is out of form, yes it’s true, but with a settles midfield it could have been different.
3) Europa – We can’t handle this competition and the travelling with our paperthin squad – even when everyone is fit. Hugely disruptive.
4) Pardews tactics – I am not blind to pardews failing but I’m not on the bandwagon with most on here. I think he is actually a decent hard working manager at our level 5th position and got us Europa. But I never understood the Ba played through the middle 90% (which backfired as he scored loads and left) when our 4231 worked so well last season with him on the left. Cisse is not a winger on this I agree completely. But he’s made some decent subs too this season. The juries still out for me, I think he needs more time – too easy a scapegoat.
5) Luck – from the draw with Sunderland things just never seem to fall for us. Tiote red carded against Sunderland, then a few games later Collo against liverpool. We’ve hit the bat and post numerous times,it just isn’t falling for us.
The end.
484 Toonacious T // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:00 AM
Beefman – Would have been if it had have been built upon but unfortunately it wasn’t and all the fellas I know who support Liverpool, ManU, etc., told me last year it would be a one- off have been proved right and when I witnessed our dealings in the transfer market versus our competitors then I suspected that they were correct and was left deflated by the lack of ambition shown by MA tbh.
485 mattyNUFC // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:01 AM
spuggy
injuries have only recently hit us hard. they were an excuse before. no doubt we’re close to decimated now, but this is a recent development
486 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:04 AM
Bedders
I dont think cabs has been fit season mate hes had an op on an injury he’s been carrying since the euros
487 Spreadthetoon // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:09 AM
shay robson
Seeing us neither of us know the truth other than we we get from press statements…..but I do believe that AP did admit that he had PERHAPS rushed HBA too early. So either way medics or mgr are @ fault….otherwise why would the same injury be reoccuring…..hence HBA out for an even longer period of time!
Raylor miss for free kicks….yes but he was not a major part of last season so I do not see why he would have been this season.
Vuckic…..lacks pace and EPL pedigree…..cannot say how effective he might have been one way or the other but again did not feature last season
If you want to lap up the whole season is cos’ we got injuries….that’s entirely down to you. I accept that it has been disruptive but not in context to our league position or our performances.
488 manxpie // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:14 AM
spread you can add gosling, vuckic, ober and now ben arfa to that list and i disagree that cabeye is our only biggest loss saylor,gosling,raylor and ober have been big big losses considering our other injuries which again is my main point!
and you know aswell as me that our defense needs work and should have been done in the summer again that is ashley and lamearse’s fault but if you and i our nervouse with the defense why can’t pardew and i also think collo is a nervouse wreck playing with it but again who can we call on to change it up? our young players aren’t ready so whats your plan?
at the end of the day IMO pardew is not to blame (BTW it’s his first crack at having to deal withj europe aswell) for this mess this season its been down to bad luck (injuries) extra games thur ,sunday and absolute incompetence from ashley and lamearse
489 beddersmag // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:17 AM
Spread
I think taylor was major part of last seasons success. Aint got stats and going to bed but wasnt he left back for whole of the early unbeaten run, then kept hba out of the team on the right while he learnt to graft, got few corking goals and generally seemed a solid player. We miss his quality a lot i think.
490 manxpie // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:20 AM
matty name me 2 games in a row this season where we’ve had our full team out and a very strong bench then?
recent development! load of crap
491 Spreadthetoon // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:23 AM
manxpie
I do not disagree that the injuries have been disruptive. I do not disagree that MA/DL have let us down and AP. But there are certain things that grate/grind on me…………
Corners / Set Pieces – cannot fathom this?
Not a single away win this season?
AP has NEVER brought the TOON back from conceding 1st in the league…..
I wish I shared your confidence in AP, sadly I do not. Remember this is the worst showing for NUFC in all the time of the EPL…………my worry is that we are certainly stuck with AP probably for the rest of the season and I fear the very very worst unless AP changes. Not the players, not the owners…..but AP. He has been found wanting on too many occasions this season and I do not think many would stomach such a lack luster performance as was displayed in B&H. It was IMO disgraceful…..not the result but the entire display!
Anyway Manxpie/ Shay Robson its been good to have a lively debate even if we don’t see eye to eye. Its not a cop out but I’m shattered and gonna stack some ZZZZZZZZZZ. Laters.
492 manxpie // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:23 AM
beddersmag well said plus i think he’s a big influence on the spirit of the players hence when he was injured the support for him
a big loss in the dressing room!
493 manxpie // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM
nite spread same to you
sacking pardew now in middle of window would be a big mistake tho and after last season (which was our best season in the league since sir bobby) pardew deserve’s to see this season out and i think he’ll turn it round with players returning and new recruits (come on ashley you tight arsed fecker) and people saying last season we ground out results and bla bla bla
for me it was the most exciting season in a long time thats wats footballs about edge of your seat stuff this perfect football that some of you think should happen (some of you over night) ain’t gonna happen look at man city they’ve spent a billion an i think there shite to watch!
494 beefman13 // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:35 AM
tads i dont like sammy i dont like willo or perch or obertan i did not say i liked all the younger players far from it, so your saying beacuse a cross was put in and it was not in the prem then it is no good, my god what a pedantic fcuka, our seniors were awful against brighton apart from elliot and anita and i though bigi and dummett tried hard, you seem alright thinking watching willo and simmo and perch who could not lace fergies boots for skill are ok to watch in the prem every week yet our youngins i have mentioned are by no means not good enough, the youngins i like are fergie campbell and bigi and dummett is a canny kid ive seen quite a bit of him, i think tav will turn out a goodun for us as well, so you are the all knowing master of seeing a good player, i have seen a hell of a lot more of them than you. who give a 45 min introduction as he could make it, ive seen your sort of assesment many times by other posters who write of younger players to soon and who big up players only for them to have one bad game then they are shite. seen it all before with the likes of you bonny lad, very fickle mr southman!!!
495 manxpie // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:37 AM
nite spread same to you
sacking pardew now in middle of window would be a big mistake tho and after last season (which was our best season in the league since sir bobby) pardew deserve’s to see this season out and i think he’ll turn it round with players returning and new recruits (come on ashley you tight arsed fcker) and people saying last season we ground out results and bla bla bla
for me it was the most exciting season in a long time thats wats footballs about edge of your seat stuff this perfect football that some of you think should happen (some of you over night) ain’t gonna happen look at man city they’ve spent a billion an i think there shite to watch!
496 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 8, 2013 at 12:50 AM
Beefman
Judging by your complete incompetence to understand anyones fcuking point im going to assume you’ve had a few sherberts tonight
READ THE FCUKING POST PROPERLY BEFORE SLINGING INSULTS
You have not a clue
When did i say i like willo and and perch or even obertan?
And yeah getting assitts in the league cup against a 17 yr old and an 18 yr old CB pairing is easier than the prem
You say its fickle i say im just not dumb enough to blindly rate our youngsters higher than they are you could find an 17/18 year old in any championship team that are equal or better than our youth players
And once again im not basing dummetts ability on 45 mind of football ya ignorant tool read the post, his performance plus his very successful loan spell where he won several MOM awards
You over rate fergie to the point where you have to question wheter its just a footballer you like him as!
What is you say? Eh bonny lad!
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