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Alan Pardew Pleased With Clean Sheet

6:08 pm, Saturday, January 12th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 331 Comments

If we include the 1-1 draw at Liverpool on November 4th, Newcastle have won two and drawn two of their last 13 league games – and that’s 8 points from a possible 39 points played for, so while we are happy to get an away point and a clean sheet today, Newcastle still have a lot of work to do if we are to pull away from the lower reached of the Premier League.

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Papiss Cisse – in action this afternoon

Newcastle had conceded 15 goals in our previous four matches in all competitions, since keeping a clean sheet at home to QPR, so Newcastle manager Alan Pardew is taking some positives from the 0-0 draw at Carrow Road today – and it’s a better result than our 4-2 defeat there last season.

This is what a relieved Alan Pardew said after today’s game:

“It was a more favorable result for us than for Norwich as they were the home side. It was two teams that worked hard and restricted the opposition.”  “For us it was important to get a clean sheet.”

“I had the luxury of putting some senior players on the pitch and the result showed that.”  “That was a key game. We have Reading at home and Aston Villa away coming up so it is an important time for us.”

And Newcastle are rock bottom of the Premier League form standings, which takes the last six league games played, and we’ve picked up just one win and one draw (4 points) from a possible 18.

But Newcastle cannot be too happy at today’s result,  and now we need two successive wins – at home to Reading and away at Aston Villa, against two sides who are even worse off than we are – and two wins will help us put some points between Newcastle and two of the teams below us in the league table.

And two successive wins will help to lift the mood on Tyneside.

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331 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    1 or 2 players will not be enough Pards. Please bring in more otherwise it could be curtains.

  • 2 ?Miguel? // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    It will do

  • 3 achtoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    we did beter than last season. onwards and upwards

  • 4 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    PARDEW OUT! seriously..

    It was a more favorable result for us than for Norwich as they were the home side.

    favorable my ass.. compare newcastle to everton, not norwich…looser..

  • 5 Jail for Ashley // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Being held face down in a scorpion nest is too good for Ashley.

  • 6 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    It was hard to watch. Both teams were very poor. Poor passing all over the pitch, poor set pieces and particularly poor corners. And this is the best league in the world? Don’t think so. Many of the players are technically very unskilled. Couldn’t trap a bag of cement as they say. We had no attack whatsoever. Norwich were there to be beaten but no chance with our attack.

  • 7 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    Will it really help sacking Pardew?

  • 8 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Toon1978
    He’s already said they want to bring in 3-4 players where did you get 1-2 from?

  • 9 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Toon1978

    yes!

  • 10 t00ntime // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    @nightfall thats a dumb comment. We are 16th everton are 4th…..

  • 11 t00ntime // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    5th*

  • 12 Rotonda heights // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    i don’t think people are hysterical, just thoroughly peed off.

    2 wins out of 17 is a joke. we have been poor all season even before cabs and Benny were injured. Norwich are hardly blessed with superstars are they!!

    We have these ball payers but still we hoof it. So many times Krul hangs on the ball for the big boot instead of throwing it to someone to get an attack moving.

    I have never seen such a cautious, negative, defensive manager with such limited ideas, ie hoofball and trying to play offsides and who worries so much more about the opposition than imposing ourselves on them.

    Remy and a CB may just save pardew but it’s going to be very tight .

  • 13 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    5 points from these 3 games should have been the target. That will see us undefeated in three and if we can get a 1-0 win at home to Reading and a 0-0 draw at Villa I’ll take that. Would be nice to think we can nip two 1-0 wins out the next two games to be fair. Clean sheets boost confidence.

    In the next 6 games or so its important to put points on the board. At this stage a 0-0 away against anybody is a good result.

  • 14 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    Somebody said Pards mentioned 1-2 players on the last thread mate.

  • 15 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:17 PM

    t00ntime

    but we have players to be much higher.. dont tell me that everton has a superior squad..

  • 16 spennymoor-mag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Only positive from today’s game was the return of cabaye. I’ve just read on skysports news that we are close to signing remy. But it says spurs are going to try and make a last minute hijack of the deal. If remy watched that today I’m sure he had quickly changed his mind

  • 17 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM

    I must be one of a few people that doesn’t want to see Pardew sacked. I do think he should grow a set of balls and tell the board how it is. Do any of you think signings will save our season?

  • 18 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Toon1978
    Fair enough lee ryders quoting him as 3-4 after the game

  • 19 swemag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    That was poor. By Championship standards. Before I was not worried. We came out fighting against Man Utd. We did ok against Arsenal but for the last 10. Now I am worried. Maybe it is time for Pardew to say good bye. Not saying we will find a better coach out there, but at least when there is change in any organisation, football club or a company, people usually get out of their comfort zone and try to outperform the person they were yesterday. Norwich were physically stronger, they had more purpose, every time a ball seemed to fall into what was perceived as a no mans land there was a yellow jersey there. They tried to counter and not overrun the midfield, but even when playing through the midfield where we supposedly had 5 players, we were outnumbered. I fail to see how that could happen. How could they find space all the time. Very poor game. What is really worrying is that if any team would ever win this contest, it could only be one team. That team was not Newcastle United Football Club. Hello Alan Pardew. You are in serious trouble now. Beginning to wonder if Ben Arfa and Tim Krul covered up the full 2011/12 season for a team that really is not that good. Even Demba Ba would not have made a difference today.

  • 20 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM

    Boater exactly, if we can’t cope with a few injuries then surely the whole purple strategy needs revising and the squad players need improving. Anybody would think our team is solely hba, cabaye and taylor. The only long term injuries we have had is cabaye and Taylor. If Pardew is going to use the injuries as an excuse then he cannot tell me we only need 1 or 2 players.

    7 points from a possible 36
    8 points from a possible 39
    2 wins 1 draw 9 defeats in our last 12 games
    Worst form of the league

    Apologies for not getting excited over our twentieth rubbish performances and a point that sees us slip lower in the table.

  • 21 boater // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    @Sir Braveheart – “Rangers in the same bracket as the Ameobi brothers; they’re not going to do anything disasterous to cost you the game but they’re never going to win you the match.”

    Sorry, I must have dreamt that one of the Ameobi brothers came off the bench a few weeks ago to score a fine individual goal that secured us our one and only win in 10 matches.

  • 22 Rotonda heights // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Krul

    Debuchy Colo???? Okore Santon

    Cabaye Anirta Marveaux

    Benny Cisse Remy

    That’s a great team on paper and I have to admit I don’t think even pards could screw that up.

    catchy
    i have agreed with you on a lot re – pardew, but I don’t want a return to 442!!!

  • 23 tequilamag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:22 PM

    Rotonda your not the only one peed off. I am peed off with relentless criticism from people like you and Catchy. Catchy predicted a loss today, presumably because that was the result he wanted so I suppose he will be peed off as well.
    A clean sheet and away draw is not a bad result when we are coming off the back of a bad run of results.Even if we won today you would still find something to twist about.

  • 24 DanRo // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    Do we know our best team? I don’t think we do and that is the biggest problem the lack of consistency in the team. Players do not look familiar with each other nor where they’re supposed to be.
    I think Steven Taylor, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote (despite his poor form of late) into the starting XI would restore familiarity and more confidence.
    The squad is still desperately short, a problem that was not rectified in the summer.

    However, my overriding message is remain positive, be supportive and stick with the players and manager that achieved so much last year.

  • 25 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:23 PM

    toonarmydownsouth

    I hope he did say 3-4 mate. I don’t think 4 will be enough. We lack strength in depth. We have a good first team but scratch the surface and we have below average players. I noticed that possession swung in our favor as soon as Cabaye came on lol. Good news in the fact we got a draw and Cabaye is back, bad news that SAFC won and we dropped a place in the league.

  • 26 alf // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Shocking performance no attacking ideas relegation look about us!

  • 27 Lee Dodd // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Were We cocked up is We gavelan pardew an 8 Year Contract. We could have Given pardew Th eBullet and Got Harry Rednap . Now were stck with Hoof Ball and Cisse on The Right Wing as when Remy Signs that is were he will be . We seem to have to Play Obertan who is a Nightmare. Why cant pardew See this ?? This is Why Ba Cleared off … .. Even when H.B.A Returns it wont be much better as we just wallop it up the middle Hoping someone will get it !!!! We are Going To Be Very Very Lucky If were in The Premier League Next Season I am Telling ya !!!! Next Step get out The Micky Mouse Europa Cup. Concentrate on The Premier league For Gods Sake.

  • 28 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    Toon1978 – I think a cb will certainly help us stop conceding silly goals which is a start. We need another leader at the back or in general just a very good cb. Another striker would go amiss, we know cisse needs the ball at his feet yet still send it long or offer no support for him.

    I also think we need proper wingers and not half hearted wingers, not even hba is a winger but we would rather stick him on the wing where it’s less dangerous

  • 29 macdonaldtudor // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    I hope the Remy deal goes through as poor Cisse needs some service

  • 30 Andres InYaNestEh // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Don’t think any signings will save our season to be fair. it will, in the large part be down to our existing players. They have to turn this around

  • 31 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    TADS
    1-2 players is what AP said on BBC….so I guess no one can trust a word that comes out of APs mouth…..sick of it to tell ya the truth!

    Not defending Catchy but must say I did not entirely agree with your below comment……
    “Catchy
    So after a whole season of whinging like fcuk about 442 your now saying you would of played that today?
    Unbelievable you cant even balance your own opinion let alone criticise others!!!”

    I do not think that is fair comment because:-
    (1) 4-2-3-1 was what people had wanted in the event Ba played centrally but not Cisse on the wing….so your comment does not make much sense to me. You play the formation to the players you have available to an extent….if it does not work then you change it……we didn’t…….and that’s the point AP appears unable to change things around for the better during a match….perhaps at half-time but not mid-flow………perhaps AP has very rigid coaching structures which are not helpful to the players……
    (2) On paper also see nothing wrong with 4-2-3-1 but then we did not play hardly any balls to Cisse’s feet though admit Cabaye made some difference you cannot expect him to be effective….besides the mid-field sat too deep and Cisse was isolated……he’s not Ba, his play is completely different in that respect.

  • 32 DanRo // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Before anyone points out the obvious – I realise that Ben Arfa and Tiote won’t be back for a foreseeable time period due to injury and AFCON.

    A point against a difficult opponent in Norwich and a clean sheet is not bad despite the performance. We have played several games (especially over xmas) where we played well and got nothing.

  • 33 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    nick_9

    Not really sure who else we are linked with apart from Remy. I heard Sissokho could be off to SAFC. Hope this is rubbish.

  • 34 Lee Dodd // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    If We can get Steven Taylor Back for Next week. cabaye Starts With Perch in Midfield with marvaux and Gutierez as wingers maybe we can beat Reading With a Cisse hat Trick !!!!

  • 35 darrenfletcher88 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    We are sitting 16th in the table,there’s no positives!!

  • 36 two steps forward one step back // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Poor game, clean sheet and draw is progress after the last two weeks.
    We could have played fantastic and gone down 4-3 but I’d rather have the point.

    Grow up neggers

  • 37 OhSholaAmeobi // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    I really don’t want Remy. He’s nowhere near good enough. Even someone like Snodgrass would be a better shout.

  • 38 Tommyy // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Not great but hey ho we were away and we got a clean sheet. Need more fluidity but at times we looked like it might click with everyone back and playing together.

  • 39 Lee Dodd // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    We Need Remy and Sissoko and 3 More Players !!! The Ones we should have had in The Summer !!!! If We go Down Then I for One will Not Be Re Newing My Platinum Club Season Ticket. Paper Tickets again In The Leazers End !!!!

  • 40 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Willow played ok today. He did give the ball away a lot with long balls but did defend really well. Pech also played his socks off. Jonas did nothing great or eye catching but i must admit we have been missing his work rate on a huge scale. I have really criticized Jonas in the past but he worked his ass off today. I really hope Collo does not lave, he was also very good today. Anita was a little unusual today but also grafted hard.

  • 41 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    catchy i’m missing the point!
    thats the most stupid post you’ve made for a while!
    your missing the point’s that where low on confidence, our injuries,our unsettled team, the collo situation and a new player in his 1st game!
    against a settled team who you have PRAISED for all the good football they played this season!
    i say that was a good point under all them circumstances

  • 42 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    Toon1978 – the trouble with our midfield is cabaye was largely off form at the start of the season and tiote has been watching his car count ever since the derby and hasn’t been the same. Tiote gas away possession several times when the team as a whole were in advanced positions, was it Southampton were he cost us? Today Anita had a shocker, I’d love to see sissoko come in but not at the expense of other plays we desperately need.

    The best crosser of the ball we have us ferguson and that is saying something. I would love to see us stick hba in the number 10 role, him, Marv and Anita should be providing cisse with better service

  • 43 Tinman // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    Picking Perch over Bigirimana was a big mistake. Perch is shite and made one good tackle today however every time he got the ball he slowed down or completely stopped our attacks.

  • 44 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    Spreadthetoon
    It doesnt make sense to you because its not aimed at you mate, no offense
    But before the game he was stating he would not of started guti or obertan but didnt say anything about the formation, he then said he would of started with ranger, so a 442 but he would play with real wingers, so who are they in our available squad exactly? Oh right they are guti and obertan the only wingers we had in the squad so yes your right you play the available formation which is what pardew did today, or you try to twist everything to fit your arguement even if you contradict yourself on what you’ve been arguing against all season which is what catchy does on a regular basis under several names

  • 45 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    Who else are we linked with apart form Remy and Sissokho?

  • 46 boater // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:32 PM

    I can’t decide if Cisse had terrible service today or just that his movement is so erratic it’s difficult to build an attack around him. His first touch was like a baby elephant’s today, and if we can’t find a way to bypass him from the build up, until he is in clear shooting range he could well turn out to be the worst transfer we have ever made.. all things considered. Find it hard to see how we can ever depend on him as a consistent scorer – let alone single striker.

    Hope I am proven wrong.

  • 47 Lee Dodd // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Put It This Way We Got Beaten of Norwich away Last Season so a Point Today and No Minus Goals has to be better than another loss !!!! I just Hope Mike ashley See’s scence and Gets 2 new Players in By The Next Home Game. God Forbid its Coloccini’s last Newcastle Game Against Reading !!!

  • 48 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    nick_9 (42)

    I agree with everything you said. Is Sissokho linked with us still?

  • 49 spennymoor-mag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    I righto lee Dodd did u see Jonas today? What a useless waste of space!! No wonder cisse only managed one shot. We need to bomb out the deadwood and quick before its too late! Williamson,Jonas and the list gos on!! They wouldn’t even get a game for my local pub team FFs

  • 50 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:35 PM

    Boater
    @46
    Agree

  • 51 Beattie25 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    If Guti is on that wing we will create nothing.

    We need a LW. I don’t know what people are expecting with Remy or Aubemyang but they aren’t creative.

    Remy is good coming in of the left a la Henry but isn’t creative at all.

    To be honest we need a CF, LW, CM and CB.

    That’s all before Colo leave’s.

    There is no chance of getting that many.

  • 52 tequilamag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    Beattie it is no coincidence that Santon looked much better today. He always looks better when he has Jonas to cover his errors.

  • 53 norwichmag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    I was there today, had to sit in Norwich fans as was taking a guy I support at work to watch (free ticket, bonus). Best thing, literally, today was the volume of the travelling fans, really loud and inspiring.

    As for the football… Loads of criticisms, I watched the players warming up and there’s no camaraderie, no smiles
    … Just looked so down with the whole situation. The actual warm ups looked pretty poor but I know nothing of coaching so can’t judge.

    Players… Marv doesn’t track back at all so leaves a gap between him and anita that can’t be filled, Obertan ineffective – kicking ball on to run on as per usual and no crossing ability whatsoever. Debuchy looked confused as there was just a gaping hole in front of him all the time, Anita looked lost as to where to actually pass the ball and ran around Tiote-style quite a bit. Cisse, well lets face it, looked like he was told to do a ‘Ba’ today and quite frankly couldn’t hold the ball up with nobody to pass it to. Felt sorry for him as got a bit of stick from the Norwich fans. Santon should be a winger, useless defending, pressing and running too far forward meaning the whole formation has to shift to a 3 at the back which doesn’t work. Gutierrez, don’t get me started. Like bambi on ice, clumsy, poor passing. He looks like a barrel on a pair of twiglets when he runs. Joke of a player. The only positives – Willo won everything in the air (for 80 mins at least), Perch was absolutely solid as was Krul. Tactically useless, lazy, disinterested, soul destroying game.

  • 54 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Toon1978 – he is linked with us still but has most recently been linked with the mackems. Surely as a free in the summer we must be considering him?

    Boater – I don’t think cisse is particularly good at leading the line, shola and Ba would both do a better job but if we are feeding him balls on the ground like cabaye did today he is bound to get on the end of them. We have poor service from the wings and little in the middle, it’s appalling our level of creativity

  • 55 nobbyslovechild // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    I don’t get the whole sack Pardew idea. We need players and confidence. The mistakes were made in summer but at least they are trying to sort it now. Been a rubbish season but we punched well above our weight last year. Get behind the team and manager.

  • 56 Tinman // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    With Jonas and Perch in our midfield it is impossible to create anything. They totally kill the flow of our game. We can handle one of them in there when we have a nearly full strength side, when both are in we look dire.

  • 57 DanRo // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    I think boater is being too critical: Cisse ‘could well turn out to be the worst transfer we have ever made..’ I think that is deluded?! I could name at least 10 players who have been less productive to NUFC. Cisse’s goal ratio is fantastic for NUFC, he propelled us to 5th last year and the guy has been stuck out on the wing for most of this season. I agree his first touch and hold-up play needs to improve but his predatory instincts are excellent. It is amazing how fickle people can be.

  • 58 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Jonas is not a winger at all. TBH i don’t know where he plays lol. All i know is that he grafts his balls off and his heart is in the right place.

  • 59 Sinner // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    That interview pretty much sums up Pardew, clueless.How the hell can he be satisfied with that,draw aren’t going to cut it especially where we’re atm in league.If we don’t win against reading, I think its time for Mr Alan to pack his bag.

  • 60 boater // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    spennymoor mag – Jonas and Williamson were not the problem today. Williamson played his part in us keeping a clean sheet and Jonas restored some badly needed work ethic and running to the midfield.

    Not one single clear chance created in 90mins by us, and yet a clean sheet at the other end – and yet you single out Williamson today! It’s bordering on the comical.

  • 61 Sinner // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:42 PM

    Jonas did nowt!

  • 62 Klam3r // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    More money from Ashley won’t hide the fact that Pardew is without a great talent(though the squad needs improvements). He’s an average to poor manager, lack tactical knowledge and don’t seem to motivate the players he’s allready got. We can do much better even though we can’t pick managers from the top shelf.

    I’ll always be greatful for last seasons 5th, but with the players we’ve got now we really would benifit from an attacking minded manager that can play on our advantages. I think Carr and Pardew is way too different in the way they see fotball, to harvest Carrs scouting ability :/

    I’d spent part of the transfer budget to get a better manager, so we can use our players more efficient than we do now.

    And who does the tactical analysis of the opponents for Newcastle? He should be replaced, or if we don’t have one we should get one asap!

  • 63 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    nick well you’ve just explained yourself that cabeye and tiote were and have been shocking this season is this pardews fault?
    as i said before its been a shocking season but there’s a hell of alot of reasons for it and the people who say pardew out and he’s crap don’t seem to take anything else into account and it pisses me right off!
    we finished 5th last season with this manager when we had good luck with injuries and a few lucky results, for me thats the only change this season we’ve had the total opposite with a bit extra bad luck!

  • 64 Beattie25 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    Tequila

    You mad?

    Santon looked good because he was good, not because Guti covered for him.

    Santon hardly got into an advanced position and what you saw was a defensive display from Santon.

    Guti had fcuk all to do with it.

    Last time i checked a LW was meant to attack?!

    Your just a goon if you think Guti gave us anything today

  • 65 nobbyslovechild // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    I don’t get the whole sack Pardew idea. We need players and confidence. The mistakes were made in summer but at least they are trying to sort it now.

  • 66 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Any explenation on the constant Colo rumors tonight?

  • 67 Twatter // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Well well well lads, some right munters with their opinions after the game today. Clean sheet is the most important thing to take, irrespective of the fact we created nothing. That’s the bonus you have to concentrate on.

    Hate to say I told you so over Jonas, but… I told you so. One of the only benefits of Jonas last season was he was able to hold balls up/get FKs, seems to give it away far too often now with nothing coming from it – I’d like the people who lauded Jonas before the game to speak to me about that one please. In what way does a player constantly giving the ball away help in defence?

    See, the issue I have here is the same people who criticise Willo for hoofing it are defending Jonas and claiming he’s good for “morale” or some BS along those lines. Both effectively do the same thing, except with Willo you’ve got someone who can actually win the ball back.

    Anyway, personal spats over Spiderman aside, the defence looked somewhat more adept today. Onwards and upwards (hopefully).

  • 68 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Jonas did nowt lol……….OKK. He never stopped running and helping out at the back all the time covering for a p1ss poor Santon. Jonas will give us nothing going forward but he gave us everything graft wise.

  • 69 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    TADS
    Apologies……rarely read Catchy’s posts these days as they are too negative and he very rarely offers any positive solutions sadly :(
    My point only taken out of context from ur comment that I read….apologies 😉 Hope I made some sense anyway……!

  • 70 tequilamag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Did you think Santon looked good against Man U or Arsenal when he did not have the luxury of Jonas babysitting him?
    We needed to tighten up the defence and Jonas works his arse off protecting the defence.

  • 71 DanRo // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    The Pardew out comments are futile.
    It will not happen.
    Success comes from keeping a stable club/manager.
    Changing the manager half-way through the season/transfer window would cause more chaos and more problems.

  • 72 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Beattie25

    Sorry mate, i must be a goon as you put it. My opinion is that Jonas played his socks off. Going forward he is terrible.

  • 73 Twatter // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    @Beattie

    Agree with you about a LW being an attack-minded player, I mean… it’s something neither of us should have to stress, it’s stating the obvious really, but…

    Your comments about Pardew being the “worst manager ever” for NUFC were a little rich. Might taint your rep with silly statements like that. Certainly no Guardiola but there’s plenty worse.

  • 74 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Manxpie – I’m not one who solely blames Pardew for where we are but i certainly don’t think is helping us in any way, shape or form. My argument is that he brings no qualities to us, he isn’t great tactically and I’m yet to see any evidence of him being able to motivate a team. We may have finished fifth last season but that was largely down to the clean sheets and some amazing goals out of nothing. I was one of those fans last season who was extremely happy with fifth but couldn’t believe it, I always thought we would slip off and wasn’t convinced by a lot of the performances.

    This season injuries have played there part but I still think we should be ten points better off given the backup players we have fielded when wee had injuries and I’m far from convinced with the performances. Having cabaye back gives us a bit more steal in the middle but Pardew needs to get them playing

  • 75 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    nick_9

    I agree on everything you have said but i do not agree regarding Pards mate :)

  • 76 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    We’re bottom of the form table again now. Sad situation to say the least. Never thought I would be saying it after last season. We definitely need to shift a few players out. I’ve seen much better Championship games than that dross. Not a great advertisment for the Prem.

  • 77 Sinner // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    The F**king role of winger is get assists and goals,not to be doing some random defensive duties!

  • 78 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    everyone who still defends pardew is either blind & deaf or mentaly challenged..seriously.. what we play is not football..its panicking…hoofing…its..wtf is it?

  • 79 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    We must keep Willow, Perch type of players as purely squad players. Perch saved us once or twice today as did Willow when Debuchy was half asleep haha.

  • 80 tequilamag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    Sinner wingers and FB work best as a pair supporting each other in defence and attack. That is just basic coaching

  • 81 Beattie25 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    He is the worst I have seen for tactical ineptitude, constant lies, odd substitutions, negative football and pure arrogance.

    Other managers may have had us playing worse football but I cannot remember 1 man having such a good team in a relegation fight.

    Worst manager for me.

    Also Jonas should be working his socks off, he’s a fcuking professional footballer, the least he should give is 100%, doesn’t make him any good though.

  • 82 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    At Newcastle the problem is in defence .. Solution….

    We need an English spine to the team..2 center back’s that know the way around the prem Count willo out as back up only

    Rio Would be a great signing as would Lescott..we already have Taylor so that’s a good start …

    I do know that Rio Ferdinand would come here .

  • 83 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    Spread
    Lol no worries mate yeah dont worry i know where your coming from no team should be so rugged they can only play in one formation for a whole season you need to be able to change it when needed hoping a player like remy will gives us more attacking options cant help but feel we missed ba today to change things around!
    Cant say i blame you for skippy cathys posts you summed it up pretty well he asks questions but when you answer in your opinion and offer an alternative question he either vanishes or plays a weird victim card!! I only respond as he seems to like dropping my name into his posts!

  • 84 spennymoor-mag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    Yes boater I see your point. Williamson may have defended well today,but what about the rest of the season mate. He just panics a lot of the time hence the hoofball! Why can’t he be more calm and try and pass the ball instead of putting he’s boot through it! And Jonas does work hard mate,I notice that,but I’m sorry for a winger he can’t cross a ball,struggles to go past a player without falling over! If u enjoy watching that then you get on with it.

  • 85 HullMag6 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Pards being cautious on signings on case dirk dastardly and his purples cock any deals up. Not surprised or impressed.

    Shopping list should be
    2 cbs (1 international quality minimum)
    Sissoko
    Remy
    Cf

    Then if enough budget a left footed lb/cb (pieters) or specialist lb.

  • 86 Twatter // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Rio Ferdinand? You sniffing glue, lad?

  • 87 boater // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    DanRo – before wading in, try to digest what I actually wrote. Firstly, I merely offered the suggestion that maybe Cisse’s movement across the line isn’t helping the attacking midfielders create chances.

    As for worst signing – of course there are countless players who have been inferior to him technically and statistically.. no list necessary thanks, we all know that. But in terms of the fallout – concerning Ba, lack of attacking fluidity and shape, and the attempts to adapt a system to his particular skills, perhaps his signing has damaged us in ways we don’t yet realise.

    Players who are technically limited – like Willo and Simmo get the abuse on here. But players who necessitate an entire change in system – including team-mates out of position – and still underperform are the ones that really concern me.

  • 88 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Rio ferdinand?? Behave!

  • 89 Spuggy // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Wow bizarre seasons. Ba scores a hat full of goal last season, then Cisse, the Ba this season, then leaves. We finish above Chelsea Liverpool and Everton and can’t manage to beat the minnows now.

    Very strange indeed.

  • 90 tequilamag // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Beattie, no answer on the Santon question as to how well he looked without Jonas to babysit him then ?
    I never really expected an answer as that would mean you actually had to think about your simplistic narrative.

  • 91 Beattie25 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:57 PM

    Tequila

    If that’s the case where the fcuk is Jonas?

  • 92 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Neggars will be neggars, you can spot them a mile off. With their fanciful notions that sacking a manager at this point in the season while halfway through a transfer window will be beneficial (chopping and changing managers worked wonders for us in our relegation year) or their ideas that there is actually someone capable of sacking Mike Ashley. That theres some Arabian Billionaire just waiting to snap us up (as opposed to some Indian Chicken Farmers).

    That a manager who wins manager of the year awards last year somehow did it by fluke, or that this year has miraculously turned into a gibbering clueless idiot.

    That sacking Williamson and leaving us another player short is somehow a good idea. That the kids Tavernier and Streete are capable of stepping up this season when performances in Europe and against Brighton suggest otherwise.

    That Ashley wont open his purse strings this month to help guarantee that bumper tv payout next year. Or that he wants to use NUFC as a giant Sports Direct billboard and being successful is somehow not on his agenda.

    That we need 6 or 7 players to stay up, instead of the 3 or so along with returning players that are more than capable of keeping us up (4 if Colo goes).

    That a 0-0 draw away from home, against a team which has beaten Arsenal and Man Utd there is somehow a disaster, even though it puts points on the board, adds a clean sheet and stops the abysmal losing streak we’ve been on.

    Im all for open discussion. Im all for people offering constructive arguements. But the depth of negativity on this site is appalling. Supporting your team is just that, supporting it. Not blindly following, not going along pretending things are fine, but not slating everyone and everything in a hostile depressive manner.

    For example no one is going to say our defence is perfect. Williamson is the weak link I think most people agree. What Im reading is “Williamson is sh1t, drop him, he’s a liability, sell him etc etc”. Supporting your team rationaly is “Williamson isnt up to the standard we’d like, but we recognise we dont have any better options at the moment. He didnt have a great game today but he contributed to a clean sheet which is a positive”.

    The swamp of negativity on this site is suffocating. I dont think Ive seen the like anywhere else. Many of you offer insightful commentary and good banter, but it just gets lost in a sea of self pity and abject misery.

    I suggest people try a little harder to get behind the team. Acknowledge the positives, offer constructive discussion on how things can be improved and BACK OUR CLUB.

    /rant.

  • 93 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    nick fair enough on your oppinion of last season but surely the clean sheets were down to pardews tactics and great teamwork
    i think this seasons form has alot to do with the boards transfer work in the summer especially cabeyes if we’d even got 1 more top player in it might have lifted the team and pardew.
    i’m just praying they’ve learned from it!

  • 94 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    Tequila

    Your right there. If a full back is expected to help with attack then why shouldn’t the winger help in defence.

    What I believe our problem to be with this is that we rarely get the balance right.

    Santon attacks too much without always getting back in a hurry and Jonas sits too deep to defend. They need to work better in developing an understanding between our wing and full back pairings.

    I will say though that in the formation we seem to use, with 2 defensive midfielders, that maybe the wingers can stay a but further forward.

    They could defend up the pitch and press the opposition without spending as much time back as we have DM players to cover if shirt if numbers.

    Today cisse was too isolated, he needed marv in the first half, then cabaye in the second to be closer to help him. He had little support and he isn’t the greatest at holding up play, not his game.

  • 95 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:58 PM

    I have a feeling a lot of fans are pinning their hopes on the Reading home game. I think we will win but what if we don’t? I bet that’s the turning point for most fans.

    It’s not that I don’t want Pardew, Jonas and Willo to do well because I do, I just don’t think they’re doing their roles well enough and either need to up their game or move on. If we get a cb and a striker in this window i might start to believe Alan does care about the good of the team but up until now I’m not convinced he is prepared to put his neck on the line enough for the cause. If he can’t persuade Mike to buy a cb then who can?

  • 96 two steps forward one step back // Jan 12, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    So swap Jonas with Santon.
    Guti is at that awkward age where he is slowing down and may need a rethink position wise anyway.
    He certainly does cover Santon though

    Nice to see you’re back to your abusive self Beattie
    You spend an evening telling us that all opinions are equally valid with some cod philosophy then reduce yourself to slagging again – lighten up

  • 97 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    If we can get remy for his pace, and a solid CB in then we will look a different side I think.

  • 98 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    spennymoor-mag

    Willow is no better then a squad player mate. However, what else can we do. We have Collo on the verge of leaving, S.Taylor injured……alll the time. We do not have enough depth so we have to make do with what we have atm. This all stems from a lack of ambition from the board. If there is a bad player then look no further then Obertan. He is awful. Willow, Obertan, Jonas, Shola are all CC players at best but this is all we have atm.

  • 99 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    spennymoor-mag

    Willow is no better then a squad player mate. However, what else can we do? We have Collo on the verge of leaving, S.Taylor injured……alll the time. We do not have enough depth so we have to make do with what we have atm. This all stems from a lack of ambition from the board. If there is a bad player then look no further then Obertan. He is awful. Willow, Obertan, Jonas, Shola are all CC players at best but this is all we have atm.

  • 100 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    TADS AND TWATTER noted.

  • 101 Twatter // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    @Sir Braveheart

    Well said, sums it all up very nicely. Should be posted on the homepage under the comments policy!

  • 102 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    A point today was good. I said I wanted 7 points from these games and that was our hardest of the three.

    Villa look shot and are in free fall, at least we have good spells in some games, they are shambolic and we have to take advantage.

    Reading at home is as close to a banker as you will get.

  • 103 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Sorry 2 posts…….face palm

  • 104 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Sir braveheart @92
    Post of the day!

  • 105 OhSholaAmeobi // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Jonas was one of the main reasons our possession kept breaking down! Time and time again there was basically just Cisse by himself, Jonas tried to play it to him and couldn’t. I remember one occasion where we had men up the pitch and he gave it away and ended up chasing back and defending it for a corner to Norwich.

  • 106 tequilamag // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    TS not suggesting for one minute that this was a 5 star performance but I am glad about the clean sheet, it`s a bloody sight easier winning games when we are not conceding. I would have taken that result at 3 PM.
    Still clearly a lot of work to do but with players coming back and new arrivals soon I think performances and results will improve.

  • 107 chanty // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    i don’t know about you guys, but i don’t understand what style if play we areceven trying to play this year. it seems far to narrow, we don’t press through opposition or make them commit. a settled team will help but we need a much better work ethic

  • 108 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    sir braveheart that has to be the post of the season!! lol

  • 109 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    I think Jonas struggles these days to create and play to his previous standards.

    But he gives us everything we lacked at Brighton, fight, determination, energy….he isn’t the best but is take 11 players who try than the shambles that was offered at Brighton.

  • 110 spennymoor-mag // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    I think kolo toure would be a good punt like. We need an experienced cb. But Jesus Christ rio Ferdinand?? I’ve heard it all now

  • 111 Twatter // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    @Transfer Sage 102

    Don’t say that… Reading will end up beating us 5-0 now! Haha.

  • 112 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    I am of the firm opinion that should AP be unable to gather any points in the next two matches, irrespective of timing etc I would not want him any longer at our club. Remember the man who took us to 5th last season can also be the man to take us to relegation. Don’t believe its possible…..it is and I posted this nearly 6 weeks ago……Ipswich!
    I am grossly disappointed with AP and each week I hope for an improvement….but I am exhausted @ defending a one trick pony……who appears unable to see the wood for the trees! That said a point is important for some momentum……
    Feel sorry for Norwichmag who had to sit through that dross…..again not too dis-similar to our performance of B&H. AP talks about having his best players back….but other teams like Norwich don’t even come close to the quality we have…..and yet is unable to inspire or motivate or empower them to better things……Also……guess what we still score from a set piece/ corner………!

  • 113 jimiley // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    We have to keep faith in Alan and Big Mike. I think we could win something in the next 10 years. We just need to be patient

  • 114 boater // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Spennymoor – here’s my theory. Williamson is an okay backup squad player and I’d be more than happy to have him replaced with a better centre halve tomorrow. We may even gain the odd point directly as a result – assuming his replacement hits the floor running.

    But he is not the reason why we have completely and utterly collapsed overnight as a team. 1) he played the majority of games last season when we finished 5th 2) Until the Man U game – we had conceded only 2 more than the previous season. Contrary to belief we weren’t that bad defensively compared to last season. We don’t create clear chances though and the team lacks movement, belief and organisation throughout.

    Williamson is a classic scapegoat when the problems go much wider- we always do it to our defenders. As long as people continue moaning about Williamson they are failing to see the bigger problem.

  • 115 DanRo // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Boater I did digest what you said. Hence, the reason I quoted you. I still maintain you are being too critical of a player who has contributed to NUFC over the past 12 months. I didn’t wade in. I merely put my opinion across… in a forum.

    You seemed to have backtracked on your comments that he could be the worst signing. Fair enough.
    I concur with some of comments that he is perhaps not helping his teammates with his movement but other player movement around Cisse does not help.

    I don’t think your comments were constructive and retain my stance that they were over-critical.

  • 116 Beattie25 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    Sir Braveheart

    Blind and oblivious

  • 117 chanty // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    i don’t know about you guys, but i don’t understand what style of play we are even trying to play this year. it seems far to narrow, we don’t press through opposition or make them commit. a settled team will help but we need a much better work ethic

  • 118 northernirishtoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Nick_9 I think you hit the nail on the head. You will see a massive change in attitude if we can not pick up three points next week against reading. It has now become such a massive game just from a popularity point of view. I am making the trip over from Northern Ireland for this match next week and I for one know that if we don’t get a win then my feelings towards pards and co will most definitely change. When does enough become enough?

  • 119 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Online guy
    Lol sorry mate
    Your right we need a solid spine though i just dont think they need to be english but yeah we should have one with PL experience
    For me if we were to have an english powerhouse in the middle i’d be looking at shawcross
    If colo goes for me id like hangeland in the short term with some signings like sahko/alderwield with a youngun like mirin

  • 120 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Manxpie – last season I remember all season fans saying good teams can win ugly and that’s what we did, we had cabaye and tiote covering a lot of mileage per game and closing Down very well. The help from midfield with defensive duties was excellent and some results we were very lucky, Chelsea away and villa at home for example, two games won by excellent cisse goals.

    Your right about the summer though, we needed to bring in defensive backup and wingers in my opinion. This seaon we have given away possession very cheaply and conceded weak goals, Debuchy and a cb might have sures the Defense up much better for the first 20 games and now we would only have replacing Ba to worry about. I don’t think Pardew did enough to persuade the board though because we had just finished fifth and thought we ha adequate cover (his words). I think he bottled asking for more signings and that’s my gripe with him, now were struggling I want him to lay the law down. Demand the players we need and strive for more, not accept mediocrity

  • 121 tequilamag // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:08 PM

    Beattie I am still waiting from you to tell me how good Santon was against Man U and Arsenal without Jonas ?

  • 122 fkthemackems // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Embarrassed

  • 123 No Plain Saylor // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Can someone name for me a manager in world football who would not have been given the boot if they had 52,000 fans turn up every week and give them 2 wins from 17 ganes, go on the worst run in that club’s history in the top division.. Winless away from home in 8 months, in the entire time he has been in charge we have NEVER come back from 1-0 down to win, Continues to play hoofball even though we have some technically gifted players.. I just don’t know anymore, If sunderland get Sissoko and we just watch, if we get nothing from the next to games and keep this tit in charge, colo leaves and tomkins the only cb arrival, I dont know how much more i can take, we are regressing so much its shockin. We need Yanga Mbiwa (£6m), Douglas (£2), Sissoko (£2.5m), Remy (£8m), Guidetti (on loan). That would show some ambition and at least intent to stay in the league and want to build next season, pre contracts for bong and miralim sulijami, Larent Blanc in now and I would jizz. Id love to see the back of Dekkers, Fat Ashley and Pardumb.. but realistically we can only get rid of Pardew in the foreseeable future.. Out, sick of it. Heart broken

    #RantOver

  • 124 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    Not sure if everyone saw but a few days ago I posted the club were planning a press conference for the middle of next week, hoping to announce two signings.

    I can’t say who as I don’t know, my friend doesn’t hear exact details just gets too what to arrange etc, but hopefully it’s true.

    It’s no guarantee though. I know some Dont like rumours but in just sharing what I heard, if you don’t like it feel fee to move on to the next comment

  • 125 jimiley // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    The Toon is 5 to 1 with Ladbrokes NOT to score from a corner all season in the league. It must be worth a punt as our corner tactics have not changed all season and are unlikely to do so now? Just mark Willo. Simples!!!

  • 126 kingkilkline // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Sir Braveheart played a blinder. Man of the day for me. Well said.

  • 127 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    anyone think we should take bassong back he’s had a great season (good game today also) and scores goals?

  • 128 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    absoloute joke today debuchy awful pure dross cant even score v a diabolical weak norwich pards has to go

  • 129 HullMag6 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    I’d like to think the sissoko news is similar to when we signed cisse heading for the stadium of sh@te only to take a wrong turn and end up at benton.

  • 130 two steps forward one step back // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    TS

    Reading did okay today though.
    Last thing we need is a revival in their fortunes

  • 131 Transfer Sage // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    Two steps

    They did alright yeh but it’s still our easiest home game I the year.

    We have to win that no matter what our form or their form is

  • 132 OhSholaAmeobi // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Let’s be honest, the only way it could truthfully get better footballwise and we’d actually advance as a club would be if Ashley sold up to an intelligent investor and we got someone like Laudrup in charge.
    Unfortunately Pardew is about as good as we can get with MA/DL in charge as he isn’t big enough to demand money.
    Even Sunderland have a chairman that fully backs the manager, despite O’Neill being highly overrated. O’Neill is very stubborn, he overspends on british players and rarely looks abroad, he never rotates and he plays defensive football.

  • 133 No Plain Saylor // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    HullMag, Im hopin much the same, I can imagine if it was fulham or someone in for Sissoko we may sit back and do nothing, but since its sunderland we are less inclined to let them have him.. It should have been tied up months ago, he’s mentioned newcastle 3 times in press conferences now, the last time being 2 days ago.. This club is so badly run, Im goin mad in the head..

  • 134 jimiley // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    Its sad to read that Debuchy is pure dross but why would any good player with ambition come here at this time?
    No Plain Saylor: No other manager in a premier league in world football would have kept his job. But you know what is so sad? This could go on all year and he will still keep his job. And sadder still? The fans have given up. Wheer are the protests against Mashers and Pardew on the terraces?

  • 135 dubzy // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    IS PARDEW TAKING THE PI$$…..WA GAME WAS HE WATCH PLZZZZ

    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-wire/pardew-we-performed-well-today/?

  • 136 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    NorthernIrishToon – I hope we win and do so in style for fans such as yourself who travel to and from games. I know myself how horrible it is to waste a whole day or longer on a Newcastle game only to watch a dire performance that sticks around for days on end.

  • 137 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Tads..Rio knocks around with my Nephew when they get time ..usually when they are both in London.

    I’m not saying he is a target now, or we are after him …but he has said in the past that Newcastle is a club he could play for .
    My point is we do need People who know the tricks of the trade in the prem

    My fav signing would be Alderwield though ..total class ..IE: Colin Todd type.Great defender.,.

  • 138 johnboy // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    @ sir brave heart #92

    Well said

    Everyone needs to get behind the team, that means every player no matter how poor we think they are, and support them every game from now until the end of season and hopefully safety!

  • 139 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    tactits all wrong its a discrase look at that team today fewoff world class they just cant perorm for pards na mor simple as

  • 140 northernirishtoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Think this will be a good week transfer wise. I think the board are starting to feel the fans discontent and they know they have to start showing ambition.

    The next two games are the biggest games I can remember for a long time.

    It’s squeaky bum time lads

  • 141 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    @Beattie
    Not at all. I acknowledge that our form this season is abysmal, that the decision to hold out on players to get them at a better price (eg Debuchy) has cost us critically this season and that the blame for that falls squarely on Ashley. Pardew got the best out of a good team last season and Im convinced he can do the same but I believe him and the training team needed to work harder with the youngsters we’ve relied upon so that they were better prepared to step up when needed. That blames lies with Pardew, as does the fact that Willo needs more one to one ball distribution coaching. Today most our players kept it on the deck except Willo who boots it upfield when under pressure.

    In the same token however the injuries and more importantly the effect of not being able to put out a consistent team has been debilitating for us this season. I acknowledge that is a real issue and has contributed greatly to our current plight.

    I also acknowledge that today was a step in the right direction and something we can build on. Show the same defensive solidity and add a bit more threat going forward and we start to grind out those 1-0 wins again.

    Its not about blindly saying everythings great but for Gods sake things could be much much worse. If you fail to see the positives I feel sorry for you.

  • 142 No Plain Saylor // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    Jimiley. Thats exactly it, he isnt eve under pressure.. God i’ve never liked him i remember as a kid when he was charlton manager i just thought he was a sh1t coach.. He always has been, excellent work from the players last season, was why we were so good, Manager of the year me @rse, and that went to his head too yano!

  • 143 bettyswallocks // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    Firstly a clean sheet and a point were very welcome today.

    However to see our club progressing to even a top 6 team which can attract supporters and entertain us to some degree then Pardew has to be replaced at some point for the following reasons.

    As highlighted by many bloggers now particularly Rotonda and Beattie, Pardew is totally inept at coaching the best performances from modern technical players.

    To hear him say on SSN that the game provided very few moments but that suited us sums up his idea on how the game should be played.

    Starting at the back Krul would be better in a Rugby team as his kicks into touch were class. The other attempts n early all went to the opposition.

    Obviously Williamson is not a ball playing football player so we can only expect him to panic and hoof it.

    For the rest we have some good technical players but there s no confident quick passing and movement off the ball whatsoever.

    If we look at the stats for Wayne Routledge its there for all to see that his assists and completed passes not to mention goals are far more impressive than our wingers.

    He is a naturally gifted quick thinking instinctive player who was discarded by Pardew because of his build and lack of defensive potential. The best players in the world at the moment are small an quick.

    Similarly Marveux who is one of our most talented players was left out by you know who due to his reluctance to track back.

    This guy was looking for a loan move he was so frustrated.
    As with HBA these guys are attacking creative players not f….ing defenders.

    Pardew is a poor judge of a player eg. Shola is his fav. and far too cautious and dated as a coach to take us forward.

    Please leave our club Mr. Pardew.

  • 144 lukes26 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    The remainder of this season is about limiting damage and Europe. I don’t think Newcastle’s in a relegation battle. There’s enough quality to finish mid table. IF we were in a relegation battle, a tie away at Norwich should seem like a victory, which it obviously doesnt.

    I expect Pardew to bring in a young CB and young Striker. nothing more. Pardew will do well if he can win a few games in Europe and start young players while disposing of the old guard (Jonas, Simpson, Williamson, maybe even Tiote)

    The problem with Pardew’s system is that it requires a certain amount of understanding defensively between players. injuries in midfield and defense totally destroyed Pardews system.

  • 145 rainrix // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    People writing off debuchy already? Oh dear bang your heads against a wall >_>

  • 146 davis_toons // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Maybe Pardew thinks that Rtylor was a Purple?

    Thats the only reason why he was always saying he needs his players back.

    Or was all the Purple players injured?

  • 147 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Sir Braveheart
    I think realistically the majority of people are behind the team…..i.e. the players. I rarely find fault in the players and try to find positives….
    But sadly when it comes to this season….and Alan Pardews displays as manager I find it hard to defend the worst record we have ever had as a club…….and if not wanting better for our club is support then that’s a bad indictment for NUFC. Personally I hope AP does turn it round but given that he has been completely unconvincing all season….and that includes the opening home win at Spurs….which was probably one of his better performances…..I see no reason to blindly follow a manager who could take us down…..do you? Is it that you feel constrained by our past, the constant change of managers and lack of stability that we should stand by the 1st manager that comes along……

  • 148 Klam3r // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    bettyswallocks @142

    Well said!

  • 149 jimiley // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    I have been watching NUFC for 49 years but will not put any more money in Mashers pockets. He is fleecing the club and we pour money down his pockets. We spent 9 million on Cisse out of the 35 million for Carroll. “And the rest will be be spent on players, every last penny.” Pardews words. Mashers and Pards are a great double act making a fool out of supporters and we sit on the terraces (not me anymore) like gormless plonkers lapping it up.

  • 150 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    rainrix

    Debuchy was steady today. He was nearly caught out though with a quick free kick but Williamson saved his ass.

  • 151 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    braveheart don’t listen to beattie he’s just jealous that your quite brilliant post got plaudits which he has tried since he’s been on here :)

  • 152 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    I’m missing something today, where was the attitude he took into the Man U and arsenal games, like I said at the time , he goes all out attack against teams he has little chance, and defensive against teams like Norwich

    This was a great time to play Norwich, no fit forwards, but Pardew went to keep a clean sheet, woop deedoo , it’s not clean sheets we need it’s goals,

  • 153 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    lol debchy was done at least 4 times on tha right if it wernt for norwich sh1tty passin n finishin we wudda lost how can u defend that performance total discrase

  • 154 rainrix // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Toon… I know steady was the best way to describe it, especially as it was his 1st game in a team not playing well. And some idiots still call him “awful”

  • 155 northernirishtoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Our season is on a knife edge

    2 points from the next two games and I think it will be mayhem

    6 points from the next two games and everyone will be sweet again

    Once all our players are back with a few games under their belts I hope to see a more attacking side to our play.

    I think pardew is being very cagey because of the situation we are in. 2 wins and all that will change (hopefully!)

  • 156 No Plain Saylor // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    Pardew would have made a hell of a politician.

  • 157 ToonDownSouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    Why do so many of you waste hours and hours writing essays about how Pardew needs to be sacked.

    If you have half a brain, you’ll know that it will not happen.

    Mike Ashley does not care. He does not care what you think, he does not care whether we’re playing poor football, he does not care about how happy Marveaux is.

    If we stay in the PL, that’s all that matters. Big profit, job done.

    So stop moaning about Pardew and moan about the root of the problem, because if Pardew goes he’ll simply be replaced by Pardew Mk2.

  • 158 jimiley // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    No Plain Saylor,

    As manager of The Irons, he drove to the training ground in a Ferrari. I rest my case!!!! Last season went to his head and now the wheels are off and the steering wheel has snapped.

  • 159 ONLINE GUY // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Loose or draw against Reading and loose at Villa ..Pardew is gone. FACT

    New manager ?

    First choice for me ..the Special one… I know, I know !

    Realist thought would be a yes man for Ashley.

    Who would be the best we could get as New Manager ..?

    I would go for… The Great…. Peter Beardsley.

  • 160 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Jimiley – sadly I think your efforts are wasted ands its a shame you feel you can no longer watch the toon. I find it sad to see a combination of this regime and performances sapping the passion of Newcastle fans on matchdays, I see nothing but sad faces at St. James’s and it is getting quieter especially without the singing section.

    Unless 15,000 fans boycott on a regular basis it won’t touch the club and if they do boycott all Ashley will do is pay the bills and increase the debt. His policy of making signings out of our profits will work but not until we are earning 15 million profit a season. Next season we could very well be self sufficient enough to be able to afford 2 or 3 quality players. I’m just hoping the likes of cabaye, hba and santon haven’t jumped ship by then, that were still in the league and that the fans have something worth shouting about

  • 161 rainrix // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Dids…. Were you one of the arses who wrote off ba after his 1st match?

    Please go away you illiterate child.

  • 162 ToonDownSouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:37 PM

    Also, stop talking out of your ass about Debuchy.

    He was trying to track 2 players at once for most of the game, and he did admirably.

    He also seemed to immediately have more of an understanding with Williamson that I’ve seen from the Willo/Simmo duo in 2 years.

  • 163 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    rainrix

    The people calling Debuchy are trolls mate. It was his first game. He is going to be nervous which is normal.

  • 164 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    and u have the cheek to belittle n disrespet my opinion rain out of order

  • 165 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    TDS
    Cannot change the owner…now can we. I guess cos’ MA got no ambition we should just put up and shut up with APs record eh? How imaginative? We should just go to the ground and just lap it all up…why? cos’ the owners got no ambition….thats like saying we should not take an interest in the club or the players or the transfer window….cos’ the owner ain’t got ambition. Sorry rant over but please……..

  • 166 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    that 1st manager that comes along spreadtoon is the manager who got us 5th last season who everyone was praising for his man management skills which surely falls under the motivation area?
    this season is a right off simple as that and i think we’ll survive the drop
    but this season has sooooooooooooo many reasons for being the shocker that it has i don’t think any manager would have done much better under the circumstances and i doubt pardew has ever had to deal with these circumstances so he’s learning aswell!
    sacking him would for me almost guarentee us going down

  • 167 bettyswallocks // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Catchy,

    Spot on mate.
    That game was there to be won but the constant hopeful long balls to Cisse who is not a big old old fashioned target man were just pathetic to watch.

    Tim Krul is a superb goalie but as our main initiator of attacks his distribution leaves a lot to be desired.

    How Pardew could say we played well???????????
    Enough now. Just wish he would fcuk off.

  • 168 jimiley // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    Nick 9,
    I live in London so a game costs me £150 in total. I would watch 11 zebras as long as I thought the management was trying to improve the team and everyone was pulling in the same direction. I cannot afford to waste 150 quid on Ashley every fortnight any longer.

  • 169 rainrix // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Toon… I hope so though it wouldnt suprise me if they were being honest, given some of the comments past on here

  • 170 Spuggy // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:43 PM

    Why oh why didn’t we buy players in the summer.

    This club takes one step forward then two steps back. And it’s almost intentional.

  • 171 ToonDownSouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    So you sit moaning on a blog all day instead? Well aren’t you an activist!

    Face it, you do nothing anyway. I do nothing, none of us do. The only people who actually stand a chance of having an effect are those like Jimiley who aren’t willing to take the sh*t served up by the current regime any longer.

  • 172 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    for those people slating Debuchy…….try watching netball or something else that you might….just might…understand.
    He had a reasonable debut and our back line looked better today…..

  • 173 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    catchy but norwich play amazing passing football as you’ve said many times this season
    no wonder we went to play for a draw hey???

  • 174 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    rainrax cleary stil asleep

  • 175 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Jimiley it soon adds up with tickets, travel and food & drink. I know exactly what you are saying though, I know many fans who don’t go because of Ashley and many who find it hard to part with their hard earned to sit and watch dross performances and an owner what just wants to stop his football club costing him money and nothing else. I bet if their was a correlation between sports direct sales in Europe and our European games he would soon invest enough to try and get us back their. I’m not so sure he wants to splash his money on players for a team with fans who allegedly threatened his children three years ago

  • 176 rainrix // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    Dibs clearly still a moron

  • 177 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Laudrup makes Pardew look like Mike Basset. Only a complete moron would have a game plan to fire long balls up to Cisse who is about as good at holding up the ball as my Gran. It pains me to say I wish we knocked it around like Swansea and they have an inferior team IMO.

  • 178 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Manxpie

    This started last season , and I said it then, we play shit football under Pardew , we did last year

    If you look at last year, we should have finished forth , firstly Liverpool and Chelsea had shocking seasons, then spurs were poor, there where times were Pardew went for draws instead of going and using his attacking team and getting goals

    He is lost without BA

  • 179 bettyswallocks // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Pardew is now saying we obviously need another striker.

    What is the point of another striker when the striker or strikers are so isolated that any pass to them is a hopeful punt with about a 5% success rate.

  • 180 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    @Spreadthetoon
    I find it admirable that you still back the team even though you have lost faith in the manager, and thats ok with me. Its the people on here blindly slating everyone and everything. Thats not support. There are people here today slagging off Debuchy’s performance. He’s been in the country a week and they judge him on one game? Thats appalling from a supposed fan. We should back him, support him and give him time to settle.

    As for supporting Pardew, I still do, though not because of blind faith or fear of a revolving door policy of managers like we’ve had previously. Stability is the bedrock of success but if the situation became that Pardew had a vote of no confidence from his players he would have to go. I support him because last year was no fluke. He held Ben Arfa back until he understood what was expected of him. He eased Santon into his position as a starter. He’s done the same with Anita this season. He can manage, he can coach in my opinion. I think few managers would have coped with the squad he’s been given and the problems he’s had.

    If you want an analagy its like saying Lewis Hamilton is a poor driver because this year he didnt win as many races as was expected of him, but he had so many mechanical issues with his car all year at least part of the blames lies away from him.

  • 181 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:54 PM

    TDS
    Apologies that you appear to have taken my comments personally. I am saddened by all this, frustrated and really really annoyed…..sorry if you felt my post was an attack towards you.
    I think its a case there are those people who fit into the following groups:-
    (1) Dead loyal hardened fans who won’t make difficult observations because it pains ’em
    (2) Loyal fans who on appearance know things are not right but tow the party line and lap up all the reasoning’s without any thought of their own
    (3) Fans who are disillusioned with the manager
    (4) Fans who are not fans and criticize everything about the club, the players etc week in week out and are more than likely SAFC fans

    I take no pleasure in pointing out my observations……but how constructive is it in not saying anything?

  • 182 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    danny boy hurry back take your spot u where missed today dont think 1 decent cross came in from the right

  • 183 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    I have never said Norwich play amazing passing football, they play better than us, they play to there strengths

    We had 3 international players from top teams in midfield today in the second half, it didn’t look like it

    Cabaye came on and played to deep

    Sack Pardew and save our season

  • 184 jimiley // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:58 PM

    Sir Braveheart,

    You seem to be defending a manager who has been sacked at every other club. Is he that good then? Other lesser clubs thought not. He claims he is getting support from the owner so these crap results and playing style must be down to him?

  • 185 davis_toons // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    Players are frustrated with how Pardew handled the games.

    1 by 1 is coming out to show displeasure in their own ways or their “creative ideas”.

    Pardew just got to get in the right players and just let the team do the talking their own on the field. He will be fine, once covered by the players.

    He will be best use for the media.

  • 186 ToonDownSouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    Spreadthetoon

    I didn’t think you were attacking me haha. Nor am I saying that everyone should keep quiet.

    I just think everyone is missing the real problem, and that’s the board.

    When the most senior ‘footballing man’ at a club is the manager, that’s a recipe for failure and discontent because there’s no one up top making decisions who is in touch with the fans.

    I think it’s the reason that the director of football role is becoming so popular – when owners know nothing about football, they employ someone who does to oversee things for them. Unfortunately it didn’t work with us when Ashley hired Wise, but I think that was just a poor appointment.

  • 187 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    manxpie
    Agreed and we’ve debated this before…..this season is not entirely down to AP. I think the reasons are well cataloged….but our safety is as much a gamble with Pardew at the helm as it is without IMO. Its almost an equal gamble….but the scales are still IMO in favour of AP but only just….and timing is ebbing away.

    Sir Braveheart
    Good post and I agree. Obviously we have a different view on AP…..for me the jury is still out but I am swaying towards his departure….though more than happy to be proved wrong by AP turning it around….if he does you will not have any complaint from me.

  • 188 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    catchy yeah i know you’ve said it in every post you posted on this blog every post on every topic every hour every day every week all fackin year i get it you don’t like pardew!
    but alot of times this season you’ve praised norwich for how they play under hughton but suddenly you expect us to put on some top performence and beat them!
    so how long have you “supported” newcastle?
    i mean before pardew and his 5th finish we haven’t been any where near that position since sir bobby so have you been this depressed and UN-SUPPORTIVE since then?

  • 189 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    catchy in norway

    Sorry mate but how is sacking Pardew going to save our season?

  • 190 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Does Dids stand for dumb inexpliclbe dross spewer?

    Catchy
    “If you look at last year, we should have finished forth”
    Fourth? What are you basing that on? Because chelsea and liverpool had bad seasons? So what? If we believed your match reports we shouldn’t of even finished in the top 10 as it was all “luck” too you and know your saying we should of finished fourth?? Like i said all you do is dodge answering questions and contradict your own points
    So why dont you come up with the reasoning we should of finished fourth when earlier in the season you were saying we should of finished no higher than 10th

  • 191 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Bettyswallocks
    Didnt stop ba banging them in mate

  • 192 archaeomag // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    @jimiley
    Mangers are always sacked – unless you get Fergie or Arsen to give up their posts to become our manager

  • 193 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    yes you have catchy and you know you have!

  • 194 naptoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:05 PM

    toon 1978
    most of your comments are sensible but to claim santon was pi$$ poor gotta question you on it. imo hes been poor last couple of games but hes played more games than anyone else this season and is still young. hes just been recalled back to the national squad and most people think hes been our breakthrough player this season. today i think he gave probably his best defensive performance in a toon shirt (granted guti back infront helped) and hes ran away with mom vote. theres a reason ac milan and roma interested and it aint cos hes piss poor.

  • 195 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    In 1978 the manager was sacked with the owner saying that the person had “no manergerial ability”.

    That manager was Sir Alex Ferguson.

    Managers have been sacked before and gone on to be successful. Look at AVB. Disasterous at Chelsea but where are Spurs now?

  • 196 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    Manager of St Mirren that should have said

  • 197 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    TDS
    agree mate we need a director who has the intrest of the team in mind not the intrest of ashleys bank account if anyone should be sacked its that tool lamears3 who’s knowledge of football you could write on a stamp

  • 198 ToonTinka // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Couldnt see the game properly today, stream was rubbish. How did we fare?

    Ill take that point tho, a win against reading will be 4 points from the last two games. Ill be happy with that. Maybe a draw away to villa aswell. We can build on this result.

    Lets be positive. Ben arfa back soon and some new faces in! HTL!!!!

    Toon Prodigy

  • 199 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    cabeye played to deep?? he was playin behind cisse in the short time he was on your not a supporter catchy and just search for any negative you can possibly find!

  • 200 TorqToon // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    Rainrix – Stop replying to Dids mate! He is a makem troll who pops up every now and again to thrive on attention and make himself feel big and important. He will be back in school on Monday so the ‘adults’ can talk and discuss the club properly and constructively whilst he is falling asleep in English class.

    Don’t bite mate! It’s what he wants. :-)

  • 201 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    hurry back danny FFS

  • 202 roe997 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    The post of the season……
    I salute you sir braveheart!!

    Repost…..

    Neggars will be neggars, you can spot them a mile off. With their fanciful notions that sacking a manager at this point in the season while halfway through a transfer window will be beneficial (chopping and changing managers worked wonders for us in our relegation year) or their ideas that there is actually someone capable of sacking Mike Ashley. That theres some Arabian Billionaire just waiting to snap us up (as opposed to some Indian Chicken Farmers).That a manager who wins manager of the year awards last year somehow did it by fluke, or that this year has miraculously turned into a gibbering clueless idiot.That sacking Williamson and leaving us another player short is somehow a good idea. That the kids Tavernier and Streete are capable of stepping up this season when performances in Europe and against Brighton suggest otherwise.That Ashley wont open his purse strings this month to help guarantee that bumper tv payout next year. Or that he wants to use NUFC as a giant Sports Direct billboard and being successful is somehow not on his agenda.That we need 6 or 7 players to stay up, instead of the 3 or so along with returning players that are more than capable of keeping us up (4 if Colo goes).That a 0-0 draw away from home, against a team which has beaten Arsenal and Man Utd there is somehow a disaster, even though it puts points on the board, adds a clean sheet and stops the abysmal losing streak we’ve been on.Im all for open discussion. Im all for people offering constructive arguements. But the depth of negativity on this site is appalling. Supporting your team is just that, supporting it. Not blindly following, not going along pretending things are fine, but not slating everyone and everything in a hostile depressive manner.For example no one is going to say our defence is perfect. Williamson is the weak link I think most people agree. What Im reading is “Williamson is sh1t, drop him, he’s a liability, sell him etc etc”. Supporting your team rationaly is “Williamson isnt up to the standard we’d like, but we recognise we dont have any better options at the moment. He didnt have a great game today but he contributed to a clean sheet which is a positive”.The swamp of negativity on this site is suffocating. I dont think Ive seen the like anywhere else. Many of you offer insightful commentary and good banter, but it just gets lost in a sea of self pity and abject misery.I suggest people try a little harder to get behind the team. Acknowledge the positives, offer constructive discussion on how things can be improved and BACK OUR CLUB./rant.

  • 203 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    naptoon

    Thank you lol. However, i think Santon is a little green so to speak in his defensive duties. He is still very young and he has MASSIVE potential and he will one day be one of Europe’s top defenders so we must keep him at all costs BUT he is green so to speak at the moment and gets caught out. He has great runs down the line but 8 times out of 10 he is dispossessed. He is a good player atm and once his defensive duties improve, he will be a great.

  • 204 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    TDS
    Interesting points made……I’m not sure about a director of football……
    I think someone made a very interesting point about Carr the scout and Pardew the manager…..what if they do not view football the same way………..after all Carr spots great technical players who are not always fully deployed to the best of their abilities…
    I think any appointment made for a director of football has to be aligned to the same philosophy as the manager and the scout….that way everyone is reading from the same hymn sheet…..the manager being the most important person should be held in full consultation……that wasn’t the case with Wise. Could it work…..perhaps!
    As for our owner there is not a great deal to be said. I occasionally sarcastically state MA to be sacked….there’s nothing we can do but financially he has put us on a firmer footing. He runs the club like a business, so I guess if we win anything it will be through hard graft….but have to say I was gutted by our lack or summer signings of last.

  • 205 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    @Speadthetoon

    I think theres an extra catagory, call it 2.5 if you will, for those of us who know things arent right but feel that external circumstances beyond Pardews control mean it is unfair to blame him entirely. I dont tow a party line. I dont think he’s totally at fault but he has to hold his hands up for some things.

  • 206 Williamsonsuks // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Colo wont be allowed to leave. That would require compassion from the chairman (yeah right).
    Remy may sign, but if we dont replace that invalid (williamson) with a decent CB, We could sign messi and ronaldo and still go down.
    I know i have always been digging at him, but today we only had 10 men on that park. He made 1 or 2 clearances and the rest of the game he didn’t want the ball like it was a hot lava rock, or hoofed it up the park to norwich player or out for a throw. He’s a liability and must be disposed of.

  • 207 naptoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    i agree 1978

  • 208 mick85eire // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Lads..Keep Calm and trust Pardew!

  • 209 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    Anyway, forgive my rambles, i’m a bit worse for ware after a day on the pop 😉

  • 210 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    Toon tinka
    As you have probably gathered mate not great!
    We lacked any real attacking intent
    Cisse looked isolated but that was also coupled with very poor movement from him for me didnt really look to create any space and his first touch was terrible!
    Marv didnt get involved at all today
    Back 4 looked much better
    Guti i personally thought done okay considering its his first 90 after injury
    Cabs was back looked a little rusty but with another weeks training now fit we should see the real cabs vs reading
    All in all pretty average performance, debuchy done well considering how exposed he was left often found himself 2 on 1

  • 211 roe997 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Beattie25

    Go and have a fling with a cream egg….

  • 212 rainrix // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Torq… I have thats why i havent replyed in 20 minutes :) although the 2nd you mentioned mackem i remembered who he is. Unsuprisingly its been a while since we heard from him, i wonder why 😉

  • 213 Beattie25 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Oh my fcuking god, not only do you talk bo11ocks, you also have no historical knowledge and use made up shite to suite your own ends.

    Sir Braveheart has gone right to the 1 number spot in top of the cocks.

    I can’t be arsed reading the drivel of the last hour to catch up and I certainly won’t be reading the upcoming crap.

    This is the singular most idiotic collection of NUFC fans I have ever seen on this blog, minus a few of course.

    You lot are not only ignorant, you are actually stupid.

    I usually say people are stupid as an insult, this time I actually mean it.

    I am actually staggered by the moronic postings.

    See you later when Sir Cockface and his boyfriend Manx have gone off to lube up. Part time fcuking fans make me sick.

  • 214 two steps forward one step back // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Well our confidence is rock bottom, Plauyers are really down, looks like we’re about to lose our captain, we’ve just lost our top scorer, got a new guy and our playmaker just back after a long injury so I set the side up to draw. We kept a clean sheet after shipping 15 goals in the last 4 games so I’m relieved we got a point – especially as the teams around us all drew too.

    WTF do you lot expect Pardew to say in interviews after an away draw ?

    Its a PR exercise. How many managers in or about the drop zone come out with meaningful analysis, it’s all about steadying the ship.

    More prima donnas on here than in the EPL.

  • 215 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    roe997

    Cream eggs..mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :)

  • 216 naptoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    nice post roe but i was outta breath after reading it ure enter key broke?

  • 217 archaeomag // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    @roe997- Rock on

  • 218 BelfastMagpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    Thinking positive thoughts tonight.
    We got a draw away from home. We stopped the rot ! :-)

    Though it has to be one of the worst games I’ve ever seen.

  • 219 Beattie25 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    roe997

    Who the fcuk are you? Never heard of you mate! Gofcuk yourself pr1ck

  • 220 two steps forward one step back // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    No-one will ever take your cock of the walk title away from you Beattie, never fear

  • 221 ToonDownSouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    tads & Spreadthetoon

    I agree. If we had someone at the top of the club that knew the first thing about football, then they would be saying to AP “Look Alan, a large proportion of the fans have been very concerned about a number of decisions, as well as the style of football on display. This needs addressing.” And then AP would try to address it.

    As it stands, I’d be surprised if they even knew anyone was unhappy.

    As for the the difference in footballing philosophies, in my opinion the manager should be the one who defines it – however of course, if the manager persists with a style which causes discontent, then he’s not a good fit.

    Arsenal have been lauded by non-Arsenal-fans for years now for playing ‘good football’, but speak to an Arsenal fan and loads of them want Wenger to play 4-4-2 and sign a Kevin Nolan type player haha.

  • 222 check the toastie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Anybody saying Pardew shouldnt be sacked is a MACKEM.

    It does not matter who we sign, with Pardew in charge we will always be shit, he has already proved this with the squad he has. player for player i would only take bassong from Norwich however the clueless prick goes for a draw and is happy with one.

    Please SACK HIM FATTY.

  • 223 Beattie25 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    two steps

    That is a prime example of the stupidity I am seeing, that insult doesn’t even make sense.

    If anything it’s a compliment!

    Moron

  • 224 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Can I just say before I go that while I think we will be safe that doesnt mean we will be. The team needs our support. If a players having a bad game and goes to take a throw in and hears abuse from his own fans how is that going to make them feel? Is it going to pick them up?

    “You’re a joke Willo, get out of my club”

    “Keep going Willo, focus mate”

    Which is likely to elicit a positive response? And neither of them are “Your amazing Willo!”

    We as fans have a part to play and the outlook we take on this blog and these sites is replicated in the stands. Players who know the crowd is behind them are free to play, those that fear their own fans are a step behind already.

  • 225 two steps forward one step back // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Medication Beattie, or meditation, lighten up

  • 226 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    “If you look at last year, we should have finished forth”

    -Catchy

    facepalm.jpg

  • 227 ?Miguel? // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    How did debuchy play anyone please?

  • 228 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Beattie25

    Chill mate. Its all about opinions. Nothing more, nothing less. I enjoy reading your posts but sometimes you get a little hot under the collar to easy. My son is the same when he is on that FIFA 13 lol.

  • 229 roe997 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    Beattie25

    I have read your posts.i understand your point, but we are where we are and im affraid you have to deal with things realisticly.you honestly think,if you say we signed pep g.we will be playing like barca overnight? Support your and deal with it ffs.less of the insults aswel.

  • 230 Beattie25 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    MELTDOWN

  • 231 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    ?Miguel?

    Average game in an abysmal match. He definitely looked better than Simmo

  • 232 naptoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    debuchy was steady not spectacular but a decent first game. got booked

  • 233 jimiley // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Good managers do get the sack. But they do not KEEP getting the sack. Pardew has got the sack at every club he has managed and in quick time. We do not seem to want to sack him. Watch this space about where we finish the season..

  • 234 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Beattie25

    Every time i watch NUFC i am in melt down. I just do not enjoy watching them because i get so bloody nervous. Last season they where a joy to watch and i looked forward to the next game. This season i regret the next game.

  • 235 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    ha ha beattie’s time of the month, is sir braveheart getting to much of the attention beattie?
    thats probably because he’s made some very well reasoned posts that sum up our season and doesn’t abuse other posters and end on pardew out!!

  • 236 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    dont slate willo best Cb fit right now after collo is gone in morning easy MOTM today in my opinion very compact n stable today

  • 237 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    naptoon (230)

    Absolutely spot on.

  • 238 HullMag6 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Sir Brave…

    Top post, couldnt agree more.
    It’s all upto the man upstairs, we shall see what we shall see. Hope the rumour about 2 midweek is true.

  • 239 ?Miguel? // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    89norcal
    Thanks, suppose hes still settling in and getting to pace etc.

  • 240 lucasnufc // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Braveheart good words

  • 241 roe997 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Beattie i f*****g read this blog every f*****g day.i was posting on here years ago so u f*****g do one.you wanna get personal come to north east top team. al be happy to show you round the cage you dick.

  • 242 davis_toons // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    It wasnt a bad draw today. We could have almost lost the games at the very last minute.

    Do set us up for Reading after so many games of disappointment.

    The next 3 games:
    A win at home against Reading will be best to get it.
    A Draw at Villa will still be fine.
    ..Chelsea..we have to try.

  • 243 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    Sir Braveheart

    Great post.

  • 244 Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    While I agree Ashley has not backed Pardew enough can any of you out there say you would have played hoofball today with Cisse up front ?

  • 245 magpie6699 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    roe997 – I’m with you. I will keep supporting, always want the team to win etc. I respect those who come out with whatever opinions they like – without throwing insults around. I do have a problem with people who are down on any player in the starting 11 before they’ve even kicked a ball or who say “better if we lose then we’ll get rid of Pardew” – FFS!
    We all have our favourites and we all have our betes noires( so many French in the team must be affecting me!). Sammy frustrates me and I struggle to see how Dan Gosling, when fit, gets the nod ahead of about 5 other mid-fielders. But when they’re playing for the team I still want them to do well for us and I don’t hate them.
    As for Debuchy not being up to it – perrlease! Like the other rubbish player who’ve started slowly – Enrique, Coloccini, Ba, Anita …all “rubbish” in their time.

  • 246 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    @Beattie
    Listen mate if your opinion differs from mine then so be it. Im not out here advocating that everyone see things my way, nor do I get defensive (and offensive) when people choose to disagree with me. Im saying this is what I believe, that the section of people on this site, the ones who think all our problems are solved when Pardew or Ashley are gone, the ones who slate Debuchy after one game in a black and white shirt, need to question their actions and their motivations towards our club. Im exercising my right to informed discussion and the freedom to put forward my opinion. If someone wants to challenge that then great. Spreadthetoon is capable of doing it respectfully whildt not sharing my views. Whats wrong with that?

    All Im calling for is people to think about their perspective. And now Im adding that we do it respectfully towards each other.

  • 247 Klam3r // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    If i’m watching a match live, at the stadium, i allways back the team and players, or i just shut up.
    But this is THE forum where people from all over the world can discuss their views on how Newcastle UNITED are run, managed and playing.

    Please let everybody say what they want to say, negative or positive, without calling them a non-supporter/idiot. Our opinions are subjective, and we should respect that and go on with the heated discussions and without the namecalling.

    For the record(this might not be too strange), i’m not a fan of either Pardew or the board, but i’ve loved the club since 1989.

  • 248 ToonDownSouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Ahahaha. When you launch into immature abuse over the internet, and the other person responds with a calm and collected respectful response, it doesn’t half make you look pathetic.

    Sir Braveheart

    I agree on a fair few things you’ve said, especially that about supporting the team. However I do feel particularly strongly about the board, and I feel that they’re largely responsible for the current problems at the club – both on field, and the disillusionment of many fans.

  • 249 north_country_boy // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    Bollocks to anyone calling Debuchy – first game and he had no support from Obertan, I noticed a few times he was 2 on 1, even that last minute chance he was 2 on 1 cos Williamson was caught out of position – he’ll come good once the team is playing well and he’s got the chance to show what he can do

  • 250 check the toastie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    I really dont get the link between being a ‘good’ supporter and not critizing how the club is run either by the owner or by the shitty arse licking manager.

    If the best credentials for being a fan was blindly accepting what the club is willing to serve up, we would still have Gordon Mckeag in charge, playing in a ruin of a stadium with absolute no ambition, From the era of ‘Sack the Board’ and fires on the gallowgate, if change needs to be made the paying public needs to voice this concern.

    I will be here supporting the Toon long after Pardumb has gone back to the smoke counting his cash and long after Fatties business has gone bust.

    I have a say as i partly own the club along with the other 53000 who turn out. It is no normal business and currently it is being totally undermined by Pardew who is absolutely fu#king hopeless.

    This is probably as long as he has lasted as a club. Must say mind you that todays performance is no worse than many witnessed last year when in most people eyes he was the blue eyed boy.

    He has been shit since he came, only currently Cisse and Ben arfa arent getting results for him.

    UTTER SHITE HE IS. PARSHIT.

  • 251 robin // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Someones signing just seen Range Rover speeding into the training ground!

  • 252 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    canny win a bet all season part from wigan n spurs must be on a 5 game losing streak its proppa depressing just look at the genrouse odds and canny help me sel . just keep tellin me sel it has to come it has to

  • 253 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    First game for Debuchy, nerves would have been a big factor. The lad was steady in his first game. What do people expect him to do? He has come into a struggling team and done a good bloody job. Note we got a clean sheet today and Debuchy played a big part in it. He nearly cost us once but like i said, this is his first game in a toon shirt and he did us proud today.

  • 254 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    just keep hearing voices telling me to bet and lose

  • 255 No Plain Saylor // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    Anyone sayin Debuchy isnt good enough is just looking to create problems, and we already have enough problems. It was his first game, he was marking two players for a lot of it, looked good both defensively and attacking, a step up from Simmo, end of.

    @ Check the toastie, agree 100%.

  • 256 two steps forward one step back // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    dids

    back under yer bridge now

  • 257 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    missed danny today took its toll no crosses in to the back it was lackluster be honest thatswat pappis is there for he got nothing today

  • 258 Toon1978 // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Just read Redknapp is back in France to try and persuade Remy and M’Vila to join him at QPR.

    http://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/west-london-sport-qpr/rangers-boss3-back-in19-france-for-talks-over-remy-and-mvila

  • 259 check the toastie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Debuchy is a current French first choice international full back, if anybody has an opinion that he was poor today fair enough but the fact is, the boy is class, and if he looks shit it is the restrcitions and lack of movement by some of the players he is having to put up with.

    For some time similar to Anita he is beyond criticism as he has proved what a good player he is before he came to this back water.

  • 260 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    back under me bridge? i wanna be filling a bridge full of cash just aint happening

  • 261 BelfastMagpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    How can people say Debuchy ain’t good enough after one game ? Haha

    He played ok. Wasn’t great & wasn’t poor.
    First game today & he’ll get better game by game. Much better than Simmo.

  • 262 Sir Braveheart // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    @Toondownsouth

    I agree the board have made some shocking decision. Theymade some decent ones butfollowedthem up with 2 or 3 bad ones. I think they are learning though. For example it was generally accepted that Ashleys attempts to communicate with fans were a failure. Now he’s realised that he just stays quiet and out of sight, more to the good.

    He got it badly wrong in the summer with transfers. If Pardew can be believed he’s attempting to make up for it this month and if he makes 4 signings Id put that down as lesson learned.

    My verdict is out on the owner and the board. I like the stability they’ve given the club financially, but I havent decided if they’re really in this for the long haul and are going to be committed enough. Spend 20m this month and no one else out and I may have a rethink.

  • 263 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    nufcblog.com – where fellow fans become sworn enemies :)

    Who is criticizing Debuchy? Must be scumderland trolls emboldened by their win today. He was as good as you could be in an all around pathetic match.

    The one cross I saw him put in in the 2nd half was on point. He’s class like Anita and will be a boost for us.

  • 264 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    belfast we clearly missed danny today if he was playing we get at least a bit of creativity down the right flank and at least have a chance of scoring

  • 265 check the toastie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    Anyway must go as i have a life, good night and wait for it

    SACK PARDEW, HOW IS HE GETTING AWAY WITH THIS?????????

  • 266 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    Sir Braveheart / Manxpie

    I address this to you both as you both have similar views. The point that I feel is that both of you feel that AP does have limitations / influences on some of our poor performances. The point that I am trying to make is that neither of you will be drawn on this. Why?
    I feel that is a fair question in view of our poor form and league position. You cannot say AP is entirely to blame….but you also cannot say that injuries and lack of signings are at fault in isolation either….there has to be some balance. IMO if we had 6 more points (that’s 2 more wins than now at this current point in time) then I and a lot more other people would perhaps not be so disaffected. Remember we’ve had terrible injuries before……I guess I just hope Pardew can do a Roeder….lets face it any ambition for this season has gone out the window already!

  • 267 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    every bet i do LOSES just cant win

  • 268 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM

    “he looks shit it is the restrcitions and lack of movement by some of the players he is having to put up with.”
    is that pardews fault then check!?

  • 269 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    is this some kind of sick joke

  • 270 ToonDownSouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Belfast

    We had the same with Ba to be fair. Then with Santon, then with Anita, and so on…

    Cisse was only spared because he stroked a glorious half-volley in the top left from 18 yards on his debut. How I wish Debuchy could have done that today :(

  • 271 dids // Jan 12, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    debuchy was to busy gettin skinned to even contemplate an attacking burst or even a shot what are the odds really its just sickness i hate to say it

  • 272 jimmysmith // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Debuchey was ok and is undoubtedly a top player as is Remy, but it doesn’t necessarily follow they’ll hit the ground running or adjust at allto the pace and rigours of the Premership.
    great to have one and hopefully both on board, but getting our first choice 11 fit and available is by far our best hope.

    Our best 11 established players on the park and three or four quality additions pushing them should surely be the aim.

  • 273 lesh // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    Didn’t see the game. like a lot of commentaors on this siteI’m sure, but for me this was a point won, a valuable point which means we didn’t lose – I’m stating the patently obvious I know.

    But, had we lost, the lads would have taken it very badly, their confidence knocked evene more. I’d rather we won one than lost three.

    As far as a CB’s concerned, what we need is a solid, mature player who knows the Prem and the ropes of football in England. We need that experience to get us out of a hole and if it means spending and few million on say Hengaand or Rio Ferdinand, then so be it – either may be budget busters with no sell on value, but if they were to keep us up, then I’d say it’s money well spent. Any thoughts on that?

    Big Pappa Cissé, when you said that Laudrup makes Pardew look like Mike Basset, didn’t you mean Bertie?
    Couldn’t resist it, sorry guys.

  • 274 jayphoto // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Not being funny, but we havent won at norwich since 1994…. Keegan, dalglish, Robson etc all took teams there and failed to win! We gave a better account of ourselves than arsenal! Theyre a good honest hard working team, woulda taken a draw and a clean sheet before the game given our last few games!

  • 275 lesh // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    I’ll not even correct my typos, there are too many of em!

  • 276 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Ey Dids
    Your a complete tool but you being a Mackem brings a smile and a twinkle in me eye, cos’ even though me club is having a hard time, and your club having a gr8 season n that, we’ll still finish higher than youse….now jog on!

  • 277 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    spreadtoon yeah that’s fair but i think this season is a first honestly , in the way things have panned out and i think pardew is having to learn aswell
    i’m pretty sure before the season started pardew and the coaches would never have even thought he’d have to rely on sammi,bigi,ober,fergie,tav and RANGER lol
    but the way its gone even cabeye at the start of the season has been under par (due to the summer transfer business IMO) then chuck in tiote bad form and taylors yearly injury thats a hell of alot of crap to deal with and there’s alot more to add to that so i’d stand by my oppinion that not many if any other managers would do much better
    and i’d point out the roeder interview who’s been in this situation who supports pardew and gives real and experienced answers to the problems that where dealing with

  • 278 jayphoto // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    Just a word on Marveaux, can he actually play 90 minutes? He disappears after an hour everytime ive seen him! Cabaye being back is a massive plus, always looks for a forward pass, hes going to be a big player for us! I worry that if we’re in a relegation battle come march, aside from perch and tiote, weve not got many battlers! We have a lot of small technical players that might not be suited to digging in and fighting for a cause! No side is ever too good to go down given our position

  • 279 BelfastMagpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    We stopped the rot. That was the main thing. I would of took a point before kick off so no complaints from me.

    We need new players badly like. A commanding centre back with premier league experience. I like Ashley Williams at Swansea. Hangeland would be good aswell, but the tubes at the top think your legs fall off if you’re over 28. So we’ve no chance getting him. lol

  • 280 cyprus // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    For the neutral observer this was unwatchable for a fan it was torture. How many chances did we make? One. Did cisse make one decent run? When is debuchy coming from france? We need players in now..

  • 281 boater // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Spreadthetoon – I think that’s a fair and balanced view. As a club acutely conscious of it’s own track record for knee-jerk managerial sackings, there is a danger we go too far the other way and blindly stick with a manager who is no longer able to oversee our long-term progression. It has to be judged on a case by case basis – Allardyce had very little time in the hot seat, for eg. but was rightly shown the door, as a completely misjudged leader for a club with a tradition of playing pass n’ dash, attacking football.

    I don’t see how querying Pardew’s position after the worst run in our premiership history is negging – in fact it’s healthy and legitimate. I don’t accept injuries as the sole reason for our slump – we were underperforming with a near fully fit team, and all teams have these problems.

  • 282 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    manxpie
    Either way we’ll never know. Will your opinion still be the same if we lost the next 2? That for me would be unforgivable.
    The most important thing for me today was a spirited performance….I did not see that and we completely lack purpose in the final 3rd. To me we have the players even without Cabaye, HBA, Saylor…..look at our offensive play against Man U / Arsenal away…….if AP plays the positive football we can play you’ll have no complaint from me……but performances like B&H, Everton, West Ham etc etc just turn my stomach….and I do not see the players entirely at fault….and I do portion a great deal of blame on AP. To me this reminds me of the blind faith with Keane @ Blackburn…..that’s just my opinion and yes I do fear the worst and the only consolation I can get is from our performances on the pitch irrespective of the end result.

  • 283 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    fcuk that…pardew is not playing to teams strenght.. we have technical players, but were trying to play like stoke…ffs…THATS THE PROBLEM! players are not organized…theyre just panicking.. pardew must leave…or we will go down.. i honestly think wed do much better even if we didnt have a manager.. we have players who know how to play.. far from ideal, but still better then having that yes idiot in charge..

    & for those who say pardew brought quality players in..for real? he didnt had a say in trasnfer..BUT IF HE DID..that would be just anoter proof hes an even bigger idiot..hod bring players in & then wouldnt know how to play them? those players are totaly wrong for his “style”

  • 284 HullMag6 // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Robin?

    What have you seen?

  • 285 BSoerheim // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Apart from being short a commanding CB and a pacey forward the lack of muscle in midfield is obvious.
    Anita, Marve, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Obertan etc are not big players in terms of muscular power and bravery.

    A Yaya Toure of our own is needed if we are to take charge of games.
    Todays game is definately not worth a replay, but as others mentioned, we scored a point, closed shop at the back and some moments of on the deck possesion.

  • 286 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    boater
    I just want AP to play and manage the team the way we know he can. Sadly this season we have been too negative and it constrains the gr8 talent we have at this club……….I still want AP to succeed because that is the best thing for the club…..I’m just not sure if it will happen. But from last season I know he has the ability….though I would accept that we did have a fair few lucky results and wonder goals from Ba and Cisse did scew last season. I see us as a mid-table team (10th)……we had the momentum to concrete us to being a top 6 team but sadly the board and AP made a very grave judgement. We’re now paying for that but that’s not to say that we cannot get out of this mess……..but AP needs to acknowledge that he has made some major mistakes…..I just don’t see that he has reconciled that….and until he has we will continue to make the same mistakes……its just so frustrating!

  • 287 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    I just want to see improvements and a desire to do better. When Pardew states we need an St and a CB I feel like he is recognising our weak areas and is on our wavelength. Sugar coating his comments hasn’t worked all season, he needs to tell players it isn’t good enough. He seems more than capable of laying the law down with the younguns but not the first team.

  • 288 GeordieToon89 // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    Must say i’ve got a feeling someone could be announced tomorrow or monday

  • 289 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    manxpie
    Either way we’ll never know. Will your opinion still be the same if we lost the next 2? That for me would be unforgivable……sorry unforgivable for me for us to loose…..not unforgivable you not changing your opinion! LOL sorry that probably did not read too well 😉

  • 290 nightfa11 // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    GeordieToon89

    if its not a new manager im not interested=)

  • 291 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:33 PM

    BSoerheim
    Jan 12 – 9:24 PM
    Completly agree which is why i want us to get sissoko in i think he could be that player for us

  • 292 Rotonda heights // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé // Jan 12, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    Laudrup makes Pardew look like Mike Basset. Only a complete moron would have a game plan to fire long balls up to Cisse who is about as good at holding up the ball as my Gran. It pains me to say I wish we knocked it around like Swansea and they have an inferior team IMO.
    * * * * * * * * *

    Can’t really top that. Spot on

  • 293 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    If Pardew doesn’t play last year’s football once we are fully fit, then I will want him out. Only difference between me and broken records like check and catchy is I”m taking into account the complete joke of a board we have (Confirmed by Barton, KK, and other former players) and injuries.

    Tactics, Injuries, Acquisitions. Those are the 3 MAJOR issues with us this year. When every single one is mishandled, it’s a slippery slope and all morale goes out the window.

    Today we played very mediocre in the midfield, and when we finally did get within 30 yards we were booting it to Cisse. Most of it seemed lack of confidence on Gutierrez and Marveaux’s part. But that’s the BS you deal with when you’re struggling for form.

    Pardew has shown since he’s been here that he’s capable of great tactics. But if he can’t man up and embolden our team then he has to go.

    But any other manager would just be a sidestep unless our board cooperates.

  • 294 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Pardew should have said something like: “we got a point out of it today but we’ll need to play much better than that in the future to avoid relegation. I’ll be roasting a few ears on the way home and having a few words with Derek as well. We’ve got to settle things down and play like we did last season. My neck is in the noose as well and I know it. Our play overall this season has been unacceptable.

  • 295 dembademba // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    debuchy played well today, anyone who thinks differently hasnt got a clue.he was far from awesome but didnt do much wrong and was much more composed in possession than simmo would ever be.

    feel sorry for anita as he tries to play the game (in my eyes) properly, but is in the wrong team… he would pass to feet, then the ball would jump up in the air and ping pong either side of him and he just couldnt get control. i think hes a great player but unfortunately our team isnt atm. things would be different with a fully fit squad, but you cant rely on that or you’l end up lower down the table and the fans will get angry… ! :)

    and anyone who thinks that this norwich team was poor….. beattie….. you’re wrong they have lots of good players and we all know they have a decent manager. we should be above them but football isnt played on paper

  • 296 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    well spreadthetoon i honestly think we’ll win both but if we lose the 2 i’d still think the same because i seriosly don’t think any manager thats available (especially under ashleys recruitment policies) would make much difference
    thats my point really that under the circumstances this season pardew hasn’t had a chance to play his 1st team for a good run of games so how can you judge him against another manager?
    i’ll say again a settled team and tactics plus confidence will make a great team we haven’t got any of them so i don’t see what a new manager in the middle of the transfer window will do,
    judge him when he’s got a full squad readily available hopefully in the not to distant future:)

  • 297 HullMag6 // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    This last summer we shouldve reinforced but didnt, key players injured, carrying injuries or picking up daft red cards. Youngsters forced to c over only with a few exceptions not good enough. Confidence in defence is through the floor as all Krul, Colo and Williamson just pub football it – when in doubt hoof it. They may have trained /set up for a more technical approach but once those three start launching it then we are stuck with hoofball.

  • 298 Premiership Manager // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    You can have whatever team you want in the world on paper however if the management, board and coaching staff are not up to the job you will never find an equilibrium.

    My major concern is that with all of the promises made last season on the transfer front, combined with the abysmal form, Pardew may have lost the dressing room.

    If that has happened and the board do nothing about it there will only be one result.

    Despite Pardew saying a draw is a good result we are one point closer to relagation as the teams below are in better form and grinding out results while we are still in free fall.

    A draw against anything but a top 6 team is totally unacceptable as we need to get results, I was a big Pardew fan but now I am very worried that not only was I mistaken but more importantly Pardew may not have the interlect or tenacity to turn it around.

  • 299 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    manxpie

    That’s exactly what most of us have said since Ashley bought the club, but for some reason Pardew has become the scapegoat because we played poorly with a half reserve/sub side from Nov.-Dec.

    Any manager would want freedom to do their job. But because Ashley see’s NUFC as his BUSINESS and not a football club, he won’t have someone below him telling him how his club will be run.

  • 300 JP...from The Rock // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    Santon is a worry. Today he rammed up the pitch with the ball and when he eventually lost possession cutting on to his right foot again he just stood there waiting, hoping and expecting that his team mates will cover up for all the space he left behind him. I real liability he is. He should be busting a nut to get back and if he doesn’t have the energy to go back then he shouldn’t go forward every time in the first place. He could have cost us dearly today and thankfully Colo and Wilo cleared the ball when he went AWOL.

  • 301 norwichmag // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    Lesh. Read my comment (53) i was there so give a fair commentary : )

  • 302 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    @Premiership Manager

    I agree, he should be doing what GeordieTwo says and galvanise the team. I don’t think he’s fooling anyone by looking on the bright-side. He can acknowledge that our defense was very solid today, but he should also acknowledge that he’s not happy with our offense.

    I would say he should threaten the players’ starting spots, but who is he gonna replace them with? :)

  • 303 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    Dembademba
    Think your right anita, hes calm on the ball and always looks to play a quick simple ball but never seems to have options on
    Personally i would like to see us bring in a top CB so we can ditch playing 2 CDMs and would like to see a set up of anita behind cabs n benny or if we carry on with 2 behind then sidsoko n anita behind cabs, obviously depends on signings but would be great to see a midfield of
    Anita cabs benny with a front 3 of marv cisse remy
    Or
    Sissoko anita cabs with a front 3 of remy cisse benny

  • 304 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    spreadthetoon i understood what you meant i think :)
    all in all i blame the summer business and very bad luck for much of our season
    due to players confidence after working so hard and not getting rewarded with a few top players that includes pardew
    and our injury and suspension list
    after last season he deserves the chance to turn it round IMO

  • 305 dembademba // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    i agree jp.

    if santon wants to play left back then play left back ! dont run up the pitch and expect someone to cover you, risky business. im a massive fan, he has loads of ability but needs to decide whats his best position

  • 306 DanRo // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Quite interesting to read Santon’s comments on the official website.
    ‘In training all week we have been working on defending, defending, defending, and today we looked much more solid because of it.’
    Interesting because it does beg two questions:
    1) does this not happen every week?
    2) did we set out solely to defend in our outlook?
    I’m playing devils advocate rather than offering my own opinion here.

  • 307 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    JP
    That is where for me i was glad jonas was back covered him a fair few times today

  • 308 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    manxpie
    I think its unrealistic though to have a fully fit squad…that never really happens in any team. Yes we have lack of depth but we can play even with some of our fringe players.

    IMO the most damaging part has not been the injuries directly but the constant disruption of not having a settled team….of course all these things bring in stability….but I also think that our judgement has to be proportionate to our results and those circumstances. That’s where you and I have the majorly different perspective. Again I would not advocate AP’s departure but I am getting very near that point…..and yes I do want to be proven wrong.

    I also agree though…if AP goes who comes in that is willing to work with MA/DL. Personally I would like DL gone or not so prominent with our “football dealings”…….like a director of football mentioned by TADS/TDS this could be the way fwd. DL adds nothing more than accountancy….from all accounts he is not a pleasant individual……..people buy people…..so I do not see DL selling NUFC that well! Laters

  • 309 wreker16 // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    Please can most of the bloggers who seem to think that

    Their opinions are more valid than others
    They are the “best fan”
    They are above other bloggers

    Just get a grip, it’s a football blog. Fans express there views in different ways, they have the best interest of the club at heart though (if not they aren’t fans).

    Please just think before you post.

    No one is better than anyone else, alright???

  • 310 dembademba // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    tads

    i reckon we need one decent cb with similar qualities to colo, then we could have

    debuchy (cb) colo santon

    tiote
    anita cabaye

    benny cisse remy/marveaux

    all of those players would then naturally look to pass to feet or play killer balls when theyre on,no matter what pardew tells them to do i.e. hoof it upfield

    i think marv and anita are class but in the wrong team atm at least

  • 311 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    tads

    I’ll second ditching the 4-2-3-1. Having two DM isn’t helping, as we are too paranoid to push either of them forward and imo it encourages booting it downfield.

  • 312 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Right now and for at least the last 3 months our club has been very difficult to watch. Confidence has fallen and the Ba fiasco didn’t help. Now it’s the Colo fiasco. These type of problems must stop. Pardew is clearly having problems on a number of fronts dealing with the players, board, Llambias and Ashley. He has been let down badly by some players and the failure of a number of the younguns means our plans for the future are threatened as well. Can Pardew pull us out of it with the useless Ash/Llam in charge? We may just stave off relegation but that may be about it for this season.

  • 313 ToonTinka // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Tads,

    Cheers mate. Match of the day on soon. I’ll have to check the highlights. Or maybe lowlights haha.

    Sir Braveheart,

    Completely agree.

    Give it a few weeks lads, things will look up! Then you will be thinking what on earth was I even bothered for!

    This is nothing more than an injury savaged squad, low on morale and confidence! Our fringe and development players can’t be expected to play football like Barca!

    Where getting faces back now and new faces pretty soon.

    It’s all gravy man, onwards and upwards! We can build from today.

    Toon-Prodigy

  • 314 manxpie // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    my main reason for this season is the un-settled team lol i’ve said it many a time so maybe we agree on everything spreadthetoon haha

  • 315 nick_9 // Jan 12, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    Best thing we could do this window is sign at least a couple of players needed and put a real shift in against reading. With hba and tiote back for feb and a couple of new recruits we could crack on for a respectable finish. Hate being in a relegation fight

  • 316 Spreadthetoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    TADS
    Agree Sissoko would be a great signing.

    Again I do not see the point in two DM against less offensive teams….but could be a personnel thing.

    Movement is what we need….did not show today….but the additions of Marv/Obert have been positive in their movement forward. They are BOTH v. poor at tracking back and that’s where I see their developmental areas being.

    Night all. HWTL

  • 317 toonarmydownsouth // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    Toon tinka
    Little heads up if MOTD little list has out highlights last then that should tell you everything you need to know about todays game!!

  • 318 Mancgeordie // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    I honestly think 4231 will work with abit of confidence back we will get it down and play, with no confidence player’s hide from taking the ball and are to quick to launch up field if we can get a couple of results and a couple of new players things will change well I believe they will

  • 319 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    If we hand’t bought Tiote I’d be all over signing Sissoko, but then we’d have 3 solid DMs, which means we’d probably stick with a 2DM system I would imagine.

    And we won’t be back in Europe anytime soon. Hell maybe we should just sign him. For 3.5m it’s an absolute steal, a la Demba Ba and Michu.

  • 320 89Norcal // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    hadn’t bought Anita* :)

  • 321 ToonTinka // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    Oh dear, was it really that bad.

    Don’t know about anyone else, but im dying for Ben Arfa and Cabaye back in the same team.

    These players are huge. What a miss they have been.

  • 322 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    I’ve wondered about Pardew since he came to the club mates. I wasn’t keen on him at all but I had to admit we were very successful with him last season. We did win some games with defence and wonder goals. I just can’t believe the difference in Cisse this season but we also don’t play to his strengths at all and that has to be at least in part Pardew’s fault. Pardew was depending almost completely on Ba and Cisse being able to work together from the start of the season but it just didn’t happen. Ba is obviously the more complete striker but we will have to cope now but is Pardew up to it as far as tactics are concerned? I just don’t know. We’ve put ourselves in a right pickle.

  • 323 BSoerheim // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    In regards to set-pieces, which is obviously a part the team is poor at. Take a look at Barca and other teams with a majority of players of small stature, what do they do?
    They go for the short version.

    After a 300 or something tries to score from a direct corner or floating pass from a free kick I for one would look for a plan B.
    Take it short and keep possession..

  • 324 YankToonFan // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    The back four was solid today, no reason to complain with a clean sheet. From a defensive standpoint, this was a true step forward.

    The huge problem today was the utter inability to keep the ball. Even when Cabaye came on he was unable to help us keep the ball and control the pace of the game.

    What is needed, a what has always been needed, is a true holding midfielder such as a Ya-Ya Toure. Or, a Mohamed Diame from West Ham.

    I am a bit discouraged that there has been no discussion of us looking to activate his release clause. He is just what the doctor ordered. He can play box to box, protecting the back four while linking up with Cabaye or HBA or even Cisse. And he keeps the ball!

    Remy, Diame, and a strong CB would be a brilliant finish to the transfer window.

  • 325 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    Aye BSorheim we haven’t been creative enough at all from set pieces. Hopeless lack of imagination there. It’s been a real horror show. Today was a perfect example with our corners. Hopeless. Stop using Willo as a target man for set pieces. He has had a million chances and done nothing. Use short corners at least once or twice per game (we don’t get that many in total). With Ben Arfa in there we should improve in many aspects of our play. Surely things will improve as players come back.

  • 326 catchy in norway // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Surley the test of any manager is when he has not his best players available ,
    It seems to me from the very first game Pardew has spat his dummy out because for what ever reason he hasn’t been able to play what he thinks is his best team
    I would like a manager who says right , he isn’t playing today , lets try this
    What we have is a manager who sees it isn’t working but insists it will,

    You lot defending Pardew , tell me you would have played u the way he set us up today , I don’t think many of you would have,

    I think most of you know cisse played with no help at all, and if any one of you had of been in charge , you would have been trying to close that huge gap between him and the mid field,

    Obertan made a few runs in the first 10 mins then just disappeared

    Jonas made runs but could not pass the ball

    Marv got more into the game as it went on

    Santon tried his best to ddo both winger and LB and did ok at them both

    I have read on here the defence did well, I don’t think they did really , I seen a lot of crosses swung into the box, they had no CF , so we were lucky with that

    Pardew out ASAP

  • 327 two steps forward one step back // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Dan-ro

    Someone posted a Carver interview from last season where he said AP coached defence between Monday and Thursday and he had the attack coaching on a Friday (words to that effect) so the answer is YES… they do little else..

  • 328 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    You may be right about Pardew Catchy @326 but who would we bring in? I have a horrible feeling it might be Alan Curbishley. How much better off would we be? I just don’t know what is best. Stick with Pardew who is clearly struggling or hire a new yes man because Ashley won’t stand for anyone with plums. It’s a horrible situation to be in. If I trusted the owner I would say sack him (actually I wouldn’t have brought him in in the first place). Between another rock and a hard place as far as I can see.

  • 329 doonundertoon // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    Was a terrible game, stayed up till 3 am to watch that rubbish, all the people saying they are happy with the clean sheet (pardew included) need there head examined, tactically we were all over the place, was the worst I’ve seen guitierez play all season, it looks like our confidence is rock bottom and I don’t blame the players I blame pardew, its like someone got a time machine, went back in time to the early 90’s, grabbed pardew and said “wow this direct long ball strategy kinda works, come manage Newcastle in 2013″ we need drastic changes and I think it should start at the top, I’ve got no dramas with signing managers on 8 year contracts but sign a manager with an 8 year plan, coz tactically pardew is so far behind the times it’s embaressing and I think he lacks the spine to pull us out of this situation we are in..

    Oh and everyone talking about prospective transfer targets I’m fairly sure if any of the targets we are alledgedly moving for were watching the last 2 games are not going to want to touch a Newcastle contract this window..

  • 330 GeordieTwo // Jan 12, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    I hear you and share your pain toondownunder. This has been sheer torture to watch for a few months now. When we come up against decent sides again Pardew will have his work cut out. Chelsea is not far off and are playing. Ba will probably score a hat trick against us just for fun.

  • 331 Sav // Jan 12, 2013 at 11:29 PM

    Be glad of the point and clean sheet lads. Take the positives . We had good performances against ManU and Arsenal – and shipped 11 goals and got nil points for it. What the team needs most (after the week we’ve all suffered) is a result. Even a blank sheet away draw.




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