Taking Marveaux Off Was A Big Mistake – Pardew

Alan Pardew, in retrospect, has admitted that taking Sylvain Marveaux off after 64 minutes changed the game yesterday in reading’s favor, and to think it happened when we were comfortably ahead 1-0 in the game, and seemingly coasting to a huge home win.

Sylvain Marveaux -Liverpool-Pre-Contract

Sylvain Marveaux – should never have been taken off

But the substitution changed the game, and without the threat of an in-form Sylvain Marveaux, Reading threw everybody forward and achieved the almost impossible, by  scoring two goals through their substitute Adam Le Fodre to win their first win ever at St. James’ Park after seven successive defeats, and their first win of the season on the road.

You could say it was an inspired substitution by Reading manager Brian McDermott,  and little more than a rookie error from our manager – but it was such an important game and it’s now a massive defeat for our lads.

This is what Alan Pardew said in the local Sunday Sun today:

“I thought Cabaye was going to get through the game.” “Unfortunately, when I took of Sylvain I then had to take off Cabaye through an injury.” “So I lost two flair players. I can understand the crowd’s reaction to that, but it was something I could not foresee.”

“I should have put a striker on at that point to give us extra impetus, but I did not have that option.” (Nile Ranger – please take note). “So it might have looked negative, there was a bad reaction to that and I thought that spread to the team.”

“It was then difficult to turn that situation around.” “I have to accept the crowd’s reaction. Taking Marveaux off was probably a mistake because I did not think we would lose Cabaye, but when he said he was struggling with his groin I had to take him off.”

“It has gone against me in terms of substitutions and I have to accept anything which comes my way.”

This is possibly the first time a number of us may be thinking that  Newcastle can now be relegated this season  simply because of the losing attitude that has infiltrated the squad over the last 18 games in all competitions since early November, when we have only two wins and four draws to show for our efforts.

New signings will help – and there should be no way we let Colo go anywhere before the end of the season.

But this result will send alarm bells off at the club, and the last thing we want to see is Newcastle as a Championship team again next season.

Note to Mike Ashley – let’s act now and sign some decent players before February – please!.

Howay The Lads!!

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47 comments so far

  • outsidethebox

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #1

    yesterday was about failures …not getting second goal in first half …second was not replacing shola with ranger when he was having another off day ..if was the case that cab and marv were carrying knocks cannot see what other subs could have been made ….gutti and williamson need rests as they are not in sync with rest of team ..a defensive player mapou sounds the biz and a striker that would allow shola to be a plan c and not a right winger neede asap….then i am sure a slow climb up table will start..

  • JazzMag

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #2

    Lee Clark – please come and save us!

  • proudtobageordie

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #3

    why was saylor on the bench yesterday? if he was fit he should of started if not he shouldn’t of been on the bench. Percy’s first sub yesterday should of been saylor for williamson. if he wanted to defend a lead that is a no brainer for the first change. as for his changes they were crazy apart from cabs. A change of manager at this time of the season is not going to happen. look what happened when he did it last time, SHEARER took us down. We have to persavere with what we have got and hope come 1st feb we have 3-4 signings in and benny/cheick back. We will have enough quality in the squad for us to survive even with percy parsnip in charge sureley

  • Newcastle Brown Alien

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #4

    fair enough pares, its not the players who came off that im so annoyed about, but why when were about to lose our last flair player, bring on a dm. surely move jonas through middle and bring on obertan would have been a much better option

  • proudtobageordie

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #5

    you are asking for lee clarke to save us. can you remember when we begged shearer to save us?

  • BigKirky

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #6

    How the thought of even thinking of taking Marveaux off came across his mind is ridiculous. He was passing it simply and linking up quite well with Cabaye and Anita at times with the odd searching ball.

    Ur just inviting pressure if you defend with 60 minutes to go and are also limiting the chances we will have to score even further.

    Very poor judgement on the Marveaux substitution and ultimately led to our downfall.

  • Pardews Parsnip Bonce

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #7

    we really need Taylor in place of willo. mbiwa in. any striker to replace shola as he just isn’t up to it. hba fit. cisse to learn the offside rule.

  • check the toastie

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    Comment #8

    Predictable substitution, Shola should have been dragged off, with Marv going over to the right hand side if he wanted to bring Perch on, F##king simple really, these f##kers couldnt coach a sunday league team. Pardew/Carver clueless.

    Signings will make no difference as Jonas and Shola will always be selected under Pardew when push comes to shove.

    Marveaux should have been played all year, the lad was made a scapegoat for us getting overran at Everton and has hardly had a sniff since.

    Its a F##king Joke, and Pardick should be sacked now.

  • davybtoon

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #9

    Pardew got to go his decisions yesterday from start to finish were shocking
    Don’t matter how much Ashly spends on players pardew won’t get them playing
    Di canio puyet n Martinez 3 names if go for

  • nico

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #10

    He’s basically admitted a mistake that 50000 supporters could see happening at the time.
    Should he be in the job?

  • newca

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #11

    Marveausx is always the first who has to go off, cos he is newcomer. Guti did nothing but stay on the pitch cos padew doesnt wanna make Guti angry if he is off. Simply like that.

    Pardew is rather an emotional coach than a tactical. he lacks the power to control the players.

  • Blaydon-Toon

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #12

    Newcastle are a fcuking joke …. From top to bottom the only great thing about us is the great supporters who turn up week in week out to see such drivel …. It’s become embarrassing to finish 5 th and then half a season later relegation fodder speaks volumes ! 8 year contract for stability joke ! Alan Pardew joke ! Mike and sidekick double joke ! Completely fed up with it all but will never turn my back on the black and white army but I’m at breaking point !

  • nico

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #13

    I really am not sure what goes through Pardew’s head.
    Shola – Right mid??
    Marvo for Perch??
    Cabaye for Bigi??
    Defensive tactics against Reading??
    Taylor not starting??

  • BelfastMagpie

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #14

    Pardews decisions cost us the game. Trying to blame the fans for a negative atmosphere that he created is a piss take.

  • joeinthecheapseats

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #15

    Whoever comes in would have to work on a shoe string budget taking gambles on players from abroad who are unproven at this level.
    Worked last year but then no investment from Ashley and when injuries kicked in we couldn’t cope.
    If Cisse got injured we will be done for

  • hotdog

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #16

    Fans venting below!


    Im off to build a snowman its gotta beat discussing the toon at the mo 🙂

  • Newcastle for alltid

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #17

    Playing Shola on the right wing, when Reading use Ian Harte as a LB tell you everything you need to know about Pardews judgement. I used to collect trading cards back in 97/98 when Harte was playing for Leeds. I’m shocked that he still plays football at a premiership level. I don’t often call for Obertan to start, but when the opposing LB is the slowest and oldest LB in the league, some pace would do the trick.

  • nico

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #18

    Newcastle for alltid
    I was at the game yesterday sat there waqtching Harte up against Shola. Harte must havie been pissing himself. Obertan was the obvious choice. Either play Shola up front or leave him on the bench.

  • Toonboy_84

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #19

    Di canio is too mental. The bloke is a head case. I live in Oxford (Swindon towns rivals) so I get to see and read a lot about him.

    He’s constantly falling out with players, kicking stuff, talking crazy sh#t to the papers. He should be sectioned. Plus he’s now spent all their money.

    Be careful what you wish for. Would rather laurent blanc as my preference if pards goes.

  • BelfastMagpie

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #20

    Shola right wing against the oldest most slowest left back in the league, lol

  • sirtoongospel

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #21

    Coloccini is the worst captain we have had in a long long time. No leadership whatsoever. He needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Saylor, new CB and a new LB needed. Santon should play in midfield. A new striker will help too, and Jonas and Shola can’t be in the team. Fundamentals that are obvious and crucial. But Colo can go as far as I am concerned. Willo is shite but at least he tries.

  • sticklebricks

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #22

    You can see why Pardew made the substition…

    We were 1-0 up, taking off an attacking player and bringing on a defensive one does make sense given how badly we needed the win..

    I thought Bigi did great when he came on given the reception he got…

    I also thought Shola had a good game and not sure why alot of people on here are slating him.

    I think Jonas is struggling because he doesn’t know where he should be on the pitch. Santon is very attacking and most of the time nearly playing as a winger, I think Jonas is then struggling to know where he should be on the pitch and feeling uncomfortable.

    Would still like to see Ranger given some time on the pitch.

    My only critisicm of Pardew at the moment is his negative attititudes to players at the club, all this sort of comments aren’t helping anyone least himself:

    “We don’t have a big enough squad” “Our squad isn’t good enough, QPRs is better” Our youngsters aren’t good enough” “I have no striker options”

    Team for Villa:




    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #23

    This was just another mistake in a catalogue of erroros!

    It shows up the total Naivity and Tactical Mistakes Pardew has made throughout this sesaon! Even i am starting to become a little anti- Pardew, if we drop i feel it would be best if he was sent packing, because thats not the first time that his clueless substitutions have cost us valuable points!

    Williamson was the weakest link again for their second goal? Plus with Remy scoring on his debut yesterday and The Scum Winning, well this all adds up to a SHIT day for me!
    Aston Villa next, and i can feel it in my water, Villa will slaughter us with substitutions, like the ones made yesterday!

    Completely gutted and Empty! Nuff Said!

  • blew

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Comment #24

    Pardew will never be a tactition, he has little grey matter between the ears with which to think.
    It is disaster after disaster with him.
    The regime appear to be reluctant to dispense with him and admit to another error- Wise, Jiminez, JFK and CH come to mind.
    Although the weather would be restrictive, but at least put Pardew on Gardening Leave!

  • Rich T

    Jan 20, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #25

    @ Sticklebricks – I agree with most of what you said, though I think we’re in the minority.

    Yes, Pardew hasn’t made every decision perfectly, but then no manager does – it’s just heightened when we’re in such a bad position. He made two mistakes yesterday IMO – one was taking off Marv (which he at least admits) and the second was not replacing Cabaye with a more attacking player.

    All the other issues we are struggling through are down to injuries (not his fault), players not playing to the max of their abilities at the start of the season (some blame can be attached to the manager, but more to the players IMO), lack of talent in depth (not his fault) – the tactical criticism Pardew gets have most of the time been down to what players he has available (remember we also don’t see how players train during the week so don’t know who deserves to start).

    As such we need to forget about calling for his head (as we won’t be able to get any better manager in our current state anyway) and get behind the team – confidence is the main area we struggle in and that’s also the one area we, as fans, can help with!

  • ash1001

    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #26

    Message to Nile Ranger:-
    this is the comment your manager made in todays Sunday Sun.
    “I should have put a striker on at that point to give us extra impetus, but I did not have that option”.
    Far from saying Sammy Ameobi and Nile Ranger are the answer, but what in the hell is Pardew doing making comments like that to a local newspaper, just shows that he does not have a clue, in fact the whole article portrays that.

  • Crow59

    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #27

    Did anyone else see marvs reaction to his substitution?? He wasnt happy luckily dreamboat was on hand and gave him the dont you dare look, clearly somethings not right even the players are becoming frustrated. So if the dressing rooms in bits then we are doomed new players or not, the only positive is having yohan back and dreamboat 2 doesnt look half bad either

  • nastynorm

    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Comment #28

    Can any1 explain 2 me please y useless Jonas gets preferential treatment if this team from Argentina want colo can we not send Jonas as wel like buy 1 get 1 free with him & shola in starting 11 we r relegated wud rather play harper in midfield than him & give ranger sholas place at least he wud try give yor head a shake pardew & stop pickin players on reputation & who r just goin threw the motions & that includes cisse as well

  • ash1001

    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #29

    @Rich T
    We played with loads of confidence in the first half, that cannot be denied, Pardew says he asked for more of the same in the 2nd half, believe that if you like.
    You say “lack of talent in depth is not his fault”, well it certainly ain’t the fans, if he is a ‘good manager’ then he would have known that the squad was not good enough. and that can be said for the last 2 seasons.
    Ashley seems to be getting the blame for not spending the cash, we are £36 million to the good over the last 4 years, but maybe Ashley has never been asked to spend.

  • taker83

    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Comment #30

    Pardew has been receiving bjobs from shola regularly.pardew, Please resign and take shola wit u.As a manager, you should have known better about the team. MArveux can create some chances for the team than shola….The best thing you can do to Newcastle fans now is to resign coz u aint goin to sign any player with assley and lambiass.


    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #31


    build 3 snow man (ma,dl,ap) n set them on fire lol

  • Newcastle for alltid

    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #32

    Taking Cabaye and Marveaux off made us so much weaker. I just can’t get over it, we were suddently on the backfoot being outplayed. It just shows how short we are of proper backup. Bigi shouldn’t be playing premiership football as of now. He is a great talent, no doubt about it, but he isn’t ready.

    I’m sure the withdrawal of said players was to tie up things defensively, but in reality it’s a boost for the opposition. Suddently we lack offensive force and it’s defend for the rest of the game. Hardly what we should do playing at home. Anti-football.

    Also we don’t seem to be able to smash teams like we used to. With Nolan, Barton, Caroll, even Smith in our team it seemed like we never could get enough goals. Those lads, with their mentality just loved to put 4-6 goals in. We don’t have that mentality anymore. Sure we try, but it’s too much blind crossing, hoping for the best. In addition, with Cissè in desperate need of form, we just need new players up front fast.

  • go toon go

    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #33

    Parde.Where we can go with Perch and Williamson?Npower championship for sure.

  • gfp13

    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #34

    Ive always said pards can’t be that bad coz he was in charge last season when we finished. I play football on a Saturday after noon so don’t often get to see games. I went yesterday however and I just sat thinking what are you doing with these subs. As soon as Marv n cabaye were taking off we had nobody left to push on and create from midfield. Jonas!? Wtf is he, I’ve probably created more chances for cisse than he has and I don’t even play for the toon. And shola!? He’s a lovely lad but he ain’t a football. On a slightly more positive note, Williamson isn’t a great player but plays with his heart on his sleeve and after the game hung around a bit longer to clap the supporters where as all the others just wanted to get inside and that was a good gesture by him but we still need a cb in to replace him

  • Rich T

    Jan 20, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #35

    @ Ash1001 – squad depth is not the fans fault, but having seen how our club is run, neither is it Pardew’s fault either.

    The current predicament is down to budgeting too severely in the summer where it was obvious we lacked strength in depth – Ashley took a gamble that we wouldn’t have an injury crisis and that didn’t pay off (we had the worst injury list of any Premier League team over the last few months).

    I don’t however call for Ashley’s head either – he has secured the long term future of our club and brought in some good players. Yes, he probably negotiates a bit too low for my liking so we miss out on some players, but the principle behind his operations is sound.

    He does however need to flex a bit this transfer window to get us out of the hole we’re in and so far seems to be doing so – Debuchy signed, Yanga-Mbiwa hopefully on his way (unless ‘Arry decides he wants him!) and more in negotiation by all accounts. I don’t even blame him for Remy as the wages offered by QPR were WAY over market value.

    So all in all we’re a victim of circumstances and a backfired gamble by our owner in the summer – the only way we get out of this is pull together and make sure SJP is a fortress of positivity for the rest of the season so we give ourselves the best chance of getting maximum points at home.

  • myoung23

    Jan 20, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Comment #36

    Fair play to pard’s taking responsibility n admitting it was a mistake, gettin on his back isn’t gonna help it never helped the year we went down its not helping Chelsea this season. Everyone makes mistakes.. Get few signings in n let’s Get behind the lads!!!

  • toonbrother

    Jan 20, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    Comment #37

    rubbish. He makes it seem like this was a one off I vividly remember games against the likes of wolves last season when he did the exact same thing: Take off an attacking player when we are in complete control and hand the initiative to the opposition. The man is simply too dumb to learn from his repeated mistakes.

  • shabunkin

    Jan 20, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Comment #38

    fair play to pardew for admitting he got it wrong

    trouble is the poor finishing , if cisse took his chances then suddenly pardew is a good manager again. sacking the manager wont help and cant see it happening.but if it did happen would like to see lee clark given the job , he’s one of us after all

  • demented

    Jan 20, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #39

    it took him the whole night to figure that out???
    I thought when he took out cabaye it was probably an injury…. but marv…. it was just a retarded decision!!
    Pardew get ur head to the game… sad tard!!! loose against a.villa and he should be gone.

  • ToonBano

    Jan 20, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Comment #40

    The man is completely insufferable.

    Taking Marveuax was ridiculous but that wasn’t the worst part about it. It’s because he brought on a defender to replace him when Obertan was sat on the bench.

    If he had done what 99% of logical ambitious people would have done and replaced Marv for Obertan then it would not have had such a dramatic effect.

    Then replacing Cabaye for Bigi is like for like.

    The man is a joke. Its his negativity that has seeped through into our football club, not the fans having a go at him.

    I despise him as a man now, not just as a manager.

    Get the hell out!!!!!


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