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French International On Newcastle’s Summer Shopping List

11:19 am, Wednesday, February 6th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 304 Comments

Mamadou Sakho is a 22 year old defender who already has 11 caps for the full French side, and he is currently at PSG, but his time at the Paris club may not last too long, with Newcastle United being linked with a possible move for the youngster in the summer.

Mamadou Sakho

Mamadou Sakho – capped 11 times at the full French level

We’ve been linked with this player previously, and the 6’2″ defender is not getting enough playing time at PSG, and he’s gotten itchy feet recently, and with Fabricio Coloccini wanting to move in the summer back to Argentina, Newcastle could bring in this youngster as a replacement for the Newcastle captain.

Sources in France are reporting that Newcastle scouts have been at PSG games, and maybe Chief Scout Graham Carr has picked this youngster out as the replacement for Coloccini – if a club from Argentina can come in and pay his £7M transfer fee in the summer – which is  by no means certain.

Sakho’s contract still has eighteen months to run, but Newcastle may be able to strike a good deal with PSG to take the lad in the summer for a small fee, rather than lose him for nothing in the summer of next year, and we have to think that French players would only be too happy to join the French revolution at Newcastle, where he can settle into the squad very quickly.

This lad would be a very good signing for Newcastle,  and he has played for all the French youth sides, including 17 times for the French U21 side.

His record at PSG is very like Moussa Sissoko’s record at Toulouse – and Mamadou made his debut for the Paris club when he was just 17 year old, in the club’s 3–0 win over Lorient in the Coupe de la Ligue in September of 2007, and they are the only club he’s ever played for,  and the youngster has already racked up 180 appearances for the Paris side with 5 goals.

What do you think?

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304 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Anyone interested in listening to joe Kinnear being interviewed on talksport. He’s on now.

    His first quote was that he believes he sorted a lot of problems out and believes he would still be there now if he hasn’t become Ill. :-D

  • 2 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    troy

    He was a truly dire manager.

  • 3 JAMSHA // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    GET HIM

  • 4 Jail for Ashley // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Troy,
    As unpopular as he was I don’t think we would have been relegated under him,whether he would still be here is an entirely different story as Ashley seems to have had a major ststegy plan since our relegation and quick rise back.

  • 5 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    @T Sage

    I agree but he gushes over the club and fans. Quite interesting.

    He seems a decent bloke tbh

  • 6 Jail for Ashley // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Has he called anyone a cnut yet.

  • 7 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    troy

    I never had nothing against him. I just think he was too limited and old fashioned, set in his ways and not the man to advance us.

    I think Pardew, whilst not a great manager, has the potential and willingness to learn and improve. I just don’t think he had all the resources he needed until now. He needs continental styled coach to work alongside him and help oversee all levels of football played at the club.

  • 8 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    JFK was like a dose of the clap at the club, part our our history best forgotten :(

    Sakho would be be perfect replacement for Colo, who no doubt will be off some the summer

  • 9 Jail for Ashley // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Change if strategy.

  • 10 shear-class // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Sakho is Class regardless wether Collo leaves or not Sign him up

  • 11 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    i still have my hopes set on collo staying tbh so dont even wanna think about another cb coming in just yet untill nearer the end of the season.

    and from last post i too called guti quite a lot and it was right what was said as no one questioned his work rate or defensive play but he contributed nothing to offence.

    the goal and the decent cross he put in against chelsea may have given him the belief that he can contribute to the attack hopefully though so fingers crossed i hope he does but one good offensive game vs many poor i think is unfair and i’ll be cheering him on to try keep up that work.

  • 12 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    I’d rather have alderweireld or rami than sakho.

    But wouldn’t complain with either of the 3

  • 13 Blaydon-Toon // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    So lads given that colo is prob off in the summer who would be the number one target to replace him … ? Sakho Alderwield Douglas Orke or another ?

  • 14 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Hello all,

    How’s tricks?

    Great news about the swap deal with Benny for Carroll….cos that would be great business ;)

  • 15 Blaydon-Toon // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Oh and the Argy lad Prezzela ?

  • 16 donkeypunch // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Sakho is Class but i think we will go for douglas on a free with they way we do are tranfers now and look for the value

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    blaydon

    Alderwerield for me every time.

    Then replace willo with mirin as a youngster who is up and coming, gives us 4 good CBs which we need as saylor will no doubt end up crocked.

  • 18 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    After what we did in January anything is possible come the summer, we could continue the spending spree and bring in more class signings or Ashley could recoup everything and sell them all ;)

  • 19 hotdog // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    I see Willo is edging towards the end of the banner. When does he fall off?? ;-)

  • 20 donkeypunch // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    i would never swap HBA for carrol in a million years. but as nufc fans would you lot swap cisse for carrol i would.. Just wondering what everyone else thinks

  • 21 Blaydon-Toon // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Well we agree on that today transfer …. Alderwield for me too !

  • 22 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    donkey

    not a chance with cisse and carroll for me. Cisse suits the style of our midfield and defence better than carroll does, he hasn’t got the quality to link up play like cisse plus he spends over 50% of his time on the treatment table

  • 23 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    donkeypunch

    Carroll is not the type of player we need with the squad we are assembling he has his time and wanted the move away,
    and besides we have a far better player already in Cisse, the guy will come good again we just need to rebuild is confidence and start playing to his strengths again like we did when he first came to the club

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    blaydon

    I don’t mind too much either way to be honest, as long as colo is replaced with a good player with experience thats enough for me. so any of those would do except douglas.

  • 25 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    with curtis good apparently coming through it will only take this season and maybe next max before we know if he’s good enough and then he will need games with us and the same with reme streete (maybe a season longer) so i would not want or need a cb untill we know if collo is deffinatly going or not and then just one to replace him (still let willo go).

    only problem i see is striking position as cambell will take time to come through for prem standards (ranger could have made the grade and become a great player if he was not such a @&^%£$ ) so we need young strikers for the dev squad.

  • 26 hotdog // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    donkeypuch – They are different players but i still think Cisse will come good again.

  • 27 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    jack

    Exactly. Cisse improved his link up play in recent weeks. Also he has got on the end of some great through balls and is getting in the right place. His finishing will come back, he has been consistent at all levels for the past 6 years.

    Look at how many ‘simple’ chances all strikers miss and cisse isn’t out of the ordinary.

  • 28 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Alderwield would be a far more attractive option for us as come the summer he’ll only have a year left on his contract whereas Sakho would cost far more, but we do love the French :D

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    croftus

    I think campbell would do ok now, has the same qualities owen had at that age, just not quite as good. More than capable of doing a job ahead of ranger thats for damn sure.

  • 30 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Alderwield and Mirin in the summer.

    Ald to replace colo
    Mirin to replace and upgrade Willo

  • 31 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    best bet for the summer buy is gomis.

  • 32 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    Transfer Sage

    Agreed mate, he’s scored 20 goals in 43 games, not bad for someone who’s been playing for a side that so far this season have been very, very poor with little to no creativity, plus he’s spent a few games out wide on the right.
    He’s a player that need quick ball played to his feet or into space, look at the amount of time that he’s been caught offside as he’s always anticipating the quick pass that doesn’t come.
    With a fit and healthy Cabaye, HBA, Sissohko and Gouffran feeding him the goals will come soon enough

  • 33 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    @29 ts

    yep i agree i love the lad he’s def better than shola just want him to have more games and hopefully some loan time in the spl where he will score for fun and build that confidence strikers need in themselves.

  • 34 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    croftus5678

    Gomis will be 28 come the start of next season, can’t see Pardew winning another battle to get a more mature player in as getting Debuchy was hard enough

  • 35 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    @34

    but rumour has it he’s free ^^ still money to be made from a top class striker for no money :-)

  • 36 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    being free means higher wages, signing on fee’s and greedy agents which makes Mr Ashley nervous and look elsewhere

  • 37 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Debuchy~~~~Sakho~~~~~~Mbiwa~~~~Haidara
    Marveux~~~~~~Sissoko~~Cabaye~~~~Obertan
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Arfa~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Gouffran~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So… which keeper are we after?

  • 38 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    yep just checked 5yr contract signed 2008-09 season

  • 39 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~

    Rumour has it we are looking at Nicolas Sarkozy :D

  • 40 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Afternoon lads,

    I’d take this lad, no bother. Just give me the full french squad!

    Previous article in regards to Jonas. Confidence and morale lads, confidence and morale. Expect Tiotes performances to go through the roof when he gets back into the 1st team aswell.

    We were a top 6 club with the quality we had in our first 11 last year, Just lucky with injuries. A squad that was decimated through injury and what was low in morale and confidence with the gamble last summer is what has resulted in finding ourselves where we our in the league this season. Nothing else.

    Its not just the good players that have been brought in why we’re on the up. Our 1st teams confidence and morale have lifted because they all knew we couldn’t cope this season without adding the quality in depth.

    We will jump up the table no doubts and also carry on charging for the top 4 next season. Back to business.

    Onwards and upwards.

  • 41 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    we still did well outa ba he gave us a great service in his time here was very good value for wages and gave us a nice profit from his sell on value.

    gomis would be the same but hopefully without the clause.

  • 42 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    croftus

    i think he’d be a far better option to Shola, but think we will be after Ricky van Wolfswinkel or Wilfred Bony

  • 43 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    @Jackbutler

    So.. top of the league then next season right? Can’t really think of any team more suited to wining the league then
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Sarkozy~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Debuchy~~~~Sakho~~~~~~Mbiwa~~~~Haidara
    Marveux~~~~~~Sissoko~~Cabaye~~~~Obertan
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Arfa~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Gouffran~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  • 44 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~

    And with Sarkozy we will have the perfect leader to take the captains armband

  • 45 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Anyone think of young English players we can bring in for a lowish fee so that our quota of home grown talent isn’t just squad players in the future.

  • 46 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Anyone reckon we should make a cheeky offer for Remy?

    1/3rd the wages we were initially offering him, and a game of Fifa 09?

  • 47 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    @Transfer Sage

    Unfortunetly, anyone worth mentioning is already worth minimum 10mill…

    @JackButler

    and if worse comes to worse, we can also sign his brother Olivier… on the condition that Mary Kate Olsen doesn’t come anywhere near the stadium of course.

  • 48 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    PWP – Wouldn’t want him mate. He had his chance.

    Everybody we signed were DESPERATE to come to us and are deserving of the shirt.

    R£my is not….!

  • 49 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    Transfer

    The only young English players good enough are so overpriced it’s unreal, Paul Ince, Matty Philips, Nathan Redmond, Lewis McGugan are all Championship players that could make the step up but would cost more than what we pay for full internationals. It’s no wonder we only buy from oversea’s

  • 50 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    Ofcourse he wouldn’t be first choice… just a replacement for Strolla/Ranger.

  • 51 Small World // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Andy Caroll would be great for us if the game was played like American Grid Iron football. He’d be part of a tactical team, brought on for free kicks and corners only. It’s a long time since we’ve scored from a set piece apart from direct kicks and penalties.

    Other than that he’s a Shola replacement and not worth a silly fee.

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    jack

    I think redmond might be cheap as birmingham are desperate and sold butland for 3.5 mil.

    I think we need to be looking at players from england around the 14/15 mark and getting them into the set up.

  • 53 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Perhaps Mike should also replace Alan Pardew with Gérard Depardieu?I doubt it would make much difference to the team really…

    I can see it now… The current blog banner, but with Mr Depardieu’s face plastered on it instead.

  • 54 Unbelievable Tekkers // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Torq – How confident are you in us getting Alderwield?

  • 55 Nick 69 // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    I’d personally rather have Alderweireld over Sakho, simply because of his long range passing ability, and long range shooting ability. But I would still be over the moon with Sakho

  • 56 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM

    Transfer

    Think we will have to look at that age group and then bring them through the system, we have 5/6 at the club already that I think will make the step up though, the like’s of Campbell, Streete, Tavernier all look very promising

    ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~

    Jean Reno, he’s scare them shytless

  • 57 Spreadthetoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Afternoon All,

    Right where do we start…………………..
    (1) Andy Carroll is not a player we should buy back. IMO he was good for us but even at £8-10m I’d rather have Siem de Jong / RVW. Our players and team is different now and I do not believe that AC would suit us – he’s better suited to playing for WHU and with Nolan. We need players who can hold up the ball, pass well and strike the ball from anywhere and have better movement than Carroll.
    (2) With the revelation of Sissoko…..btw I thought he was our best signing but true we have not seen much of Mapou yet to judge…..but in view that Sissoko is playing in the hole very well I’d prefer Ricky Van Wolfswinkel than to Siem.
    (3) Sakho would be a good replacement to Colo
    (4) Gouffran for me links up very well with Santon. Excellent understanding…so for me he has cemented his place. HBA will be ahead of Jonas I think unless HBA plays in the hole instead
    (5) I still think that Marveaux should be in our 1st team but struggle to find a place for him to start…..possibly rotate with Sissoko? Give Sissoko a rest…..seems sensible to me.
    (6) HBA should NOT be sold under any circumstances. His market value is in excess of AC money IMHO. Besides I think our MAIN priority is to negotiate his contract NOW! I’ve said that since the window finished.
    (7) Lastly time for a “Kets” Wsihlist
    1. RVW – £10m
    2. Siem De Jong – £8m
    3. Belhanda -£8m
    4. Sakho – £5m
    5. Alderwield – £7m
    Total – £38m – very unlikey to spend this amount, but this for me would be dreamland!

  • 58 Hatem // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Think i’d prefer Sakho over Alderwield, he’s big, pacy and another great ball player. Plus he’s one step closer to completing the full French lineup.

  • 59 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Aw, But I already whipped this up.

    Pardeiu’s French Revolution
    http://postimage.org/image/n0bnrvqzp/

  • 60 JackButler // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~

    Love it :D

  • 61 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Afraid, SImmo and bigi’s head.. atleast a big portion of their heads from the original banner unfortunetly got covered by Pardeiu’s golden locks.

  • 62 Nick 69 // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    I don’t get how everyone is saying Andy Carroll doesn’t suit us anymore. We have played more long balls than anyone else in the Prem, maybe against Chelsea we didnt, but over the season, we have been very much a long ball team, and ahve had nobody to get on the end of those long balls. We also have not scored from any set pieces(other than direct free kicks). We need someone who offers something different up front, and he certainly does that, providing he’s at the right price.

  • 63 darrenfletcher88 // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Sahko 7mill,de-Jong 9mill,squad complete!!

  • 64 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    @Nick 69

    The right price being?

    Considering his form since joining Liverpool and pretending that the fact that he is English does not add a few magic millions to his value,

    How much would you price him at?.

    Imo, his value is nowhere near 10million.

  • 65 Spreadthetoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Nick69
    There are better options than Carroll. British players = silly prices. RVW or Siem de Jong are better prospects. AC has had one good season….end of, and has been blighted by injury since he left – no thanks.

  • 66 Macas // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Troy – Kinnear for all his faults bought very well in the January transfer window. Nolan, Ryan Taylor and Lovenkrands for £5M was fantastic business. It was just a shame that Nolan took a while to find his best form and got stupidly sent off before we got relegated. But those players were instrumental in ensuring we came straight back up again.

  • 67 Markaccus // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    First comment today, been busy (for once). Just wondering, what’s the oppinion on or side v spurs? Do we change things, or stick with the same team as last two matches? My oppinion is you don’t alter a winning team. If benny is fit, he should start on the bench.

  • 68 Nick 69 // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Spreadthetoon – I never mentioned there not being better options, Read the post properly, i never said we should definitely get him. I simply disagreed with everyone saying he doesn’t suit our style, as we have been very much a long ball team this season. I would take him at the right price, like I said, but I never said id take him over any of our other supposed targets. As I wouldnt. But he would offer us another dimension

  • 69 Nick 69 // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ – The right price for me, I wouldn’t pay any more than £7-8mill MAX.

  • 70 Rotonda heights // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    nick

    But thank god the penny seems to have finally dropped with Pardew and with our new French ball players we are moving back to a footballing, passing unit like we had in a 433 last season. Lets get serious, Carroll means one thing and one thing only – HOOF!!

    So Much better options like Siem de Jong, the PEA etc etc

  • 71 Markaccus // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Spread, yes home players have silly prices. Unfortunately we have 14 of our maximum 17 overseas players, so only room for 3 more as it stands (colo out – sakho in keeps it the same). Carroll at a knock down price would be good. Depenbds how low we could get him for.

  • 72 donkeypunch // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    DOUGLAS BELHANDA BONY would be the ideal players to go for in the summer at a cost of around 20 million looking like colo is going to go now so are defence will be mgbew and taylor first choice so i think douglas would be just the right player to come in for and injury to one of them two cant see us paying out 5 million for a defender whos going to be 3rd choice when we can get one for free. BELHANDA is a very creative player like taarat of qpr but a lot more consitant and bony even thou you have the ACON with him at 12 million he a reaL bargain i think has got everthink you would want from a centre forward just to scary to think of a front 3 of HBA BONY BELHANDA

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    nick69

    Pardew said he wanted good attacking football before.

    He now has players in every position comfortable on the ball which is what we lacked and the main reason for long ball football.

    Now we have a good team we have played better.

    Carroll is a nobody, had a good 6 months in the prem league, thats it. Struggles at west ham in a team based around him. He is a sick note too and a waste of money seeing as he would only play 50/60% of games if the last 2 years are anything to go by.

    We need players good in the air with technical ability, just like ibrahimovich or llorente. I know those are out of the question but we need players in that mould. Not a player like carroll.

    If he had never been our player before he would be dismissed without any thought. Nobody would call for kenwyn jones or carlton cole.

  • 74 Rotonda heights // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Macas

    With the plalyers we had then we should never have been in any danger of going down. The players he bought were e almost like admitting we were going down in January! Kinnear had an appalling record, almost as bad as Pardew’s this season before the cavalry arrived.

  • 75 martoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Markaccus @67 Busy? you? I don’t believe it :)
    I agree with you about not changing a winning team but I suspect Pardew might play Tiote for Perch. Then of course we may get injuries from international duty.

  • 76 Spreadthetoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Nick69
    Sorry if I misrepresented your post :)

    But along the lines that we are a long ball team…..I think is not something we want to cement to our future and the inclusion of AC would do exactly that!
    I’m not sure if the long ball is really part of our design….possibly through lack of confidence, personnel at the back i.e Willo and Simmo and Krul to an extent. Has anyone noticed that we are now passing it from the back a lot more since the latter two are no longer in the 1st team. I don’t like to slate players but I think Willo & Simmo have seen their best days @ our club and should move on IMO.

  • 77 Macas // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Rotonda – I never said he was a great manager, only that he did fantastic transfer business for the limited amount of money he had available. Nolan has been smashing goals in left right and centre for us and West Ham, Ryan Taylor has scored important goals for us and been steady enough in defence, and Lovenkrands was a good deal for nothing. What else would you have bought for £5M??

  • 78 Munster Mag // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Toon-Prodigy , the collapse this season is not just attributable to the players. The manager must take a lot of responsibility too. Anyone can see that. There’s no way we would be rocking the way we are now with just Cabaye and Tatloy back. In the same way, Villa would be doing better if they had our new boys. Pardew has to take a fair share of the blame ( and i’m sure he does ) because of team formation, pandering to Ba and disrupting the team shape, awful dead balls with little variation, constant excuses like Souness used to do etc. His best was hanging the Senagalese FA for not allowing him to play Cisse, when Cisse was at his lowest ebb anyway!! I’m really pleased now, and give credit to Pardew, but he was far from blameless originally.

  • 79 Dantoon85 // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Seydou Doumbia, PEA, Sakho and Douglas.

    Then we are going to rip up the EPL next season

    HWTL!!!!

  • 80 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    @Rotunda & Levi

    I’ve replied to your points on the Cabaye thread. ;-)

  • 81 markmac // Feb 6, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    @1 – did anyone ask him to pronounce charles insomnia?? …sorry im mean nzogbia lol

  • 82 Markaccus // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    @martoon. Cheers for that, glad you still believe in me :D
    You’re right I suspect tiote might come in. Bit hard on perch (and anita) though. It’ll be just our luck if sissoko gets nobbled (knobbled?) Tonight. Fingers crossed nX(-_-)

  • 83 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    The longball/hoof football you mention is a myth created by the Pardew bashers.

    What is true, is that it was more or less simpson and williamson knocking it long to get rid of the ball, nervous, lacking confidence. And also coupled with under performing midfielders not showing for the ball, Cabaye, Tiote, Jonas, Obertan all low on confidence & Morale. All have had terrible seasons to date with exception of the last couple of games.

    NUFC have never set out to play longball football.

  • 84 beefman13 // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Transfersage, we sing from the same hymsheet regarding, Adam Campbell, without doubt should that lad be one of our 4 striker options, especially for these europa games coming up, if Ranger gets in ahead of him then there is something terribly wrong and the manager is going on seniority as usual, how can you say a Campbell is as good as anyone in training then not give him a sniff of a chance, yet Ranger has had many chances and has proved just not up to it, as well as bringing the name of NUFC continually to the floor.

    It has to be the seniority card by AP thats all i can think of, it just does not make sense.

  • 85 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    @Toonprodigy

    I’m with you on that. I defy any manager whose choice of players include, Willo, Simmo, Obertan, Tiote and Shola to play swift attacking football.

    He can’t make a silk purse out if a sows lug.

  • 86 Mo Drysdale // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Saturday:———————–Krul————————————————————————————————————–Debuchy——–Taylor—————-Coloccini——–Santon——————————————————————————–Gutierres——————–Tiote——————-Marveaux————————————————————————————————-Cabaye——————-Sissoko—————————————————————————————————————————–Gouffran——————————-

  • 87 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    Alreet munster,

    No Pardew is not totally blamless. I’v shook my head many of times. But my opinion, is with the mistakes he has made, i do not believe we would be any better off in the league. No manager gets everything 100% right.

    My opinion, is with the players we have had available over the course of the season so far, and the injuries we have had and timing, lack of quality in depth, we would be no better off anyway. The 1st 11 and the squad was too weak.

    We would not be where we are right now if these players were aquired in the summer. Im sure we would of played better football than what we have witnessed also so far.

  • 88 eaststandgeordie1982 // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Mo

    Alot of players down the right hand side there :-) would stop bale tho

  • 89 mendes // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Id take Sahko in a heart beat because he is quick and strong. Pair him with Mbiwa and you have a mobile and powerful CB pairing. I think colo is off in the summer tbh (I believe it was agreed in the window). There are 3 players on top of Sakho I would have a look at in the summer, Ince, Rhodes and N’Zogbia. I guess thats me hoping but Id imagine Ince and Rhodes would cost the earth however N’Zogbia may be cheap as he could get relegated with Villa.

  • 90 jayphoto // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Got a big feeling the club has agreed to let colo walk back to argentina for nothing in the summer if he keeps us up and plays ball until then! Hes been fantastic in the last few games tho, much in part to taylor being back i think!

  • 91 donkeypunch // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    with andy carrol it not pretty but its affective and gets you results when your being pressed in your own half carrol is an oulet who can take the pressure of the defence you cant pass it of of defence all the time no matter how good you are well exept if your barcalona nothing nothing wrong with having long balls pumped into a big target man who can hold the ball up and lay it of to a fast gouffran or sissoko running either side of him can still play a passing game with big target man arsenal do it with with Giroud also i think its good for a team to have a bit of everytink like height tecnical abilty and pace because it makes a team a threat from a lot more angels like brain clough use to say dont worry what a player hasn’t got worry about what he has got

  • 92 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    @Munster

    I agree that Pards is far from faultless but I do believe Ba and Cisse covered up a lot of cracks last season.

    Pards could never have predicted the severe slump in Cisses performances.

    That has been a major factor this season. I’m pleased Pards has survived the sacking scare and gives him a chance to improve.

    Many knee jerkers just want a manager sacked cos they have a short period of poor results. He did wonders last season and deserves credit and time for that reason alone.

  • 93 jayphoto // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    Not a massive Sakho fan, said that many times but he is a typical newcastle buy! Young, has so much potential but has stagnated in France, looks a shadow of the player he looked 2 years ago! Saying that sissoko was woeful this season for toulouse, HBA was off form when we signed him too, seems we pick up out of form or injured players because they are reduced in cost!

  • 94 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    I dont think Cabaye will sleep tonight following TroyStavers damning assessment of him as a player!

  • 95 Jonas's better than Messi // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    Carroll used to get into a lot of trouble in town.

    There is a danger he could drink too much too often.
    Unless he’s really cleaned his act up here seems to be better value elsewhere.

    I’d value him at 8-10M but I’d rather have Siem de Jong.

  • 96 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    Agreed Troy

  • 97 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    @Boom

    Wow. I never anticipated for one second that he would read it. Do you think I should change it in case he does????

    What’s your views on Cabaye?

  • 98 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    People comparing sissokos form to bac k at Toulouse need to do their homework he was used as a defensive midfielder in a struggling team. Dont forget Ba was also used in that role by Lyon . I think this role Pards has given him has released him from the shackles and hes thriving on it.

  • 99 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    Not good to associate with PSG these days (even though they gave us our best player ever), as then they’ll want to look at HBA…

  • 100 Moussa has nothing toulouse // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    I think this would be a fantastic signing. Not sure I can see it happening as interest in him would be high!

    If somehow we managed to get into Europe again for next season then its a possibility. Him alongside M’biwa would be class. Think it would soften the blow of losing Coloccini. Would also hope for a signing like Douglas. He is decent and is a free transfer. Those 3 and Saylor are all capable of a first team place and would build a platform to attack the europa cup, as well as the domestic cups which we always manage to flop in.

    We have such a competitive midfield/wings at the moment with Jonas, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Cabaye, Marveux, Anita, Perch, Gouffran, Obertan, Gosling and Bigirimana I dont think it needs strengthening unless we offload. Gosling and Obertan being the most likely to go.

    We do need to strengthen up front. Im a big fan of Cisse, and think he will be banging them in again soon. Depending on the rest of his season though should effect our summer exploits. If he does recapture his form and proves his goal scoring ability then we should get a decent young backup who we can build on. (I would just trust Carr on getting the right one) but if he fails to bang them in then maybe look for a more established CF such as Seydou Doumbia. I think he is perfect for the premier league, quick, strong and a great scoring rate. If youre not sure who he is, look him up. Could be expensive though. (I would trust Ashley’s negotiation skills to hopefully get a decent price)

    After this January we just have to trust the board and scouting staff because they are doing the right things. They took a risk in the summer by not signing anyone which I think is fair enough. If we hadnt struggled then no one would have mentioned lack of signings. The risk didnt pay off, but they have rectified this brilliantly. Great business by the board in my opinion.

    I have been extremely impressed as everyone else has with the performance of late. Much more fluid and keeping the ball on the ground again. I like Pardew and glad we didnt get rid of him…yet. The jury is still out as we aren’t out of trouble yet.

    Looking forward to the Tottenham game. Think a point would be a decent result but definitely have the quality to nick all three. Their front line is weak with only Adebayor (never rated him) and although Bale is quality, he is only one man.

    Think that pretty much touches recent topics. Hope you liked my first ever post.

  • 101 donkeypunch // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Siem de Jong is good player but feel we need and out and out striker like a bony who can hold the ball up de jong is more of a lampard/ playmaker sort of player and we already have HBA and marvex who can play that position

  • 102 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    My view on Cabaye is the same as any football fan he can play for any side in world football hes that good.

  • 103 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    I’v got to be honest aswell regarding Ba & Cisse. Pardew was acting in the best interests of the club here.

    Everyone would of loved Cisse and Ba to click and of banged in 10 goals each by christmas. He gave it time it didn’t pay off.

    I also believe he succumbed to Ba’s pressures of playing through the middle because he hoped to keep him past January also which we all wanted. I knock Ba more than Pardew for acting like he did being a big bairn. He put himself before the team of NUFC.

    In hindsight and looking back, aye, he kept at it a bit too long. But also, I can’t really slate him for it because I know where he was going with it. That’s not a biggy for me in all honesty.

  • 104 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Regarding tonight’s game, I hope our stars don’t play, or play bit parts. We need their energy and application in the next game which will be harder than chelsea… 5-0 last year, long unbeaten run, two fast wingers and a great CF. In fact, quality throughout, we ain’t there yet.

  • 105 Nick 69 // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Spreadthetoon – I agree we dont want to be a long ball team, and I would not want Carroll to be brought in as our main striker, what I am saying is, if we have Cisse, De Jong/RVW and things aren’t working out in some games, Carroll would be a good plan B, and could win us those games when we simply cannot break down a defence using a passing game.

  • 106 Alain Depardieu // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    “you’re getting Sakho in the morning”

  • 107 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Donkey

    I agree having an outlet for a long ball is good but Carroll isn’t the answer for me.

    You mention giroud but that lad can play a lot better on the ground than carroll. Carroll is ok on the ground but very slow with his touch and seeing a pass.

    I’d rather we get a ‘target man’ who can play football as well like giroud, llorente, etc.

  • 108 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    On other matters:
    So glad for Jonas, you could see what it meant to him. Great player to have.
    On Andy, people saying they wouldn’t want him: you cannot be serious! He scares many a defender.
    On Ba, you have to feel for the guy, from hero to zero in a flash, and does seem a nice lad. His move to a CL team, with so much more money, was logical.
    On HBA, where is he? Come on back lad, and then stay. Would’ve been nice to have him vs. Bale next game.

  • 109 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    toon prodigy

    Pardew persisted far to long with Ba and cisse up top then acted like a fool playing cisse more to the right as he had zero impact on the game from there.

    He had the winning formular with Ba left and cisse central then HBA right. why change a winning formula.

    Ba threatened to leave if not central player but he got no good offers in the summer as he played left and got no goals. He got his wish to be in the middle what got him goals and a move, it was obvious that was why he wanted the role and what would happen if he got a few goals.

    Been better off sticking him on the left and calling his bluff….however I do understand why pardew played him central. He was getting goals for the team.

    The key for me is that Pardew learns from mistakes, everyone makes them its how you react to them that separates people.

  • 110 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    @Boom

    Do you believe Cabaye has consistently put world class performances in since he arrived. ?

    I can count a handful of outstanding games. The rest have been average.

    If he plays consistently at a high level over a season or more then I will take note.

    Until then, Cabaye remains on the much to prove list. How many games has he been world class this season?

  • 111 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    cyprus

    why would you want carroll? he hasn’t really had a good record since his 6 month spell in our return to the prem league.

    I’d rather we used that money to go for players who can hold up the ball and offer something in terms of a passing game like llorente, giroud….that style.

  • 112 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    This lad alongside Mbwia would be a wonderful partnership imo he’s the Saylor replacement though imo we already have a Colo replacement just work him out of the team and let him go home come summer (for a price) not bothered anymore

    Oh and HBA won’t be used to bring Carroll home but that doesn’t mean he won’t leave come summer he’s starting to let his mouth go about other clubs which is never a good sign (something Ba was crucified for as well but Bennys ignored)

  • 113 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Cabaye not world class? Watch NUFC with Cabs vs NUFC without Cabs I know where my allegiance ends up

  • 114 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Is this Troy of .co.uk? Holidaying or are you a new resident?

    Based on your Cabaye points, would you say we have any world class players at the club then or just potential to be world class with some phenomenal performances mixed with average to date?

    The term “world class” can be and does get thrown around a lot and is obviously open to debate.

  • 115 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    wwycd

    Benny mentioned PSG and then arsenal too.

    I think PSG have the money but arsenal wouldn’t pay what we would ask. Also looking like they might not get champs league which would put him off.

    Benny did say he wants to stay of the club shows ambition and followed that up by saying what is currently happening (in jan) is ambitious.

    So it’s not all doom and gloom.

  • 116 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    Well the rest of the football world is entitled t its opinion that Cabaye is world class the same way youre entitled to your opinion that hes average.

  • 117 tooninspain // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    For all those posters saying Cabaye is “world class”, I’m sorry to disappoint you, but he’s not there yet. I watch Xavi and Iniesta week in and week out, and Cabaye cannot touch them……yet. Aside from his ability, he needs to improve his consistency, and his temperament. I’m not saying he won’t get there, but he still has some way to go.

  • 118 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Transfer,

    Now this what you mention was a little more worrying to me. Cisse out on the right and lately Shola being drafted out there.

    The only reason I can think of is he wanted someone who can finish out there given the chance. I know our bench was limited but im sure we had Obertan on the bench for these games. Like I say I didn’t grasp the reasons for this. Obviously it’s for reasons beyond our knowledge or something that was set-up with an intention.

    I heard talk of improving touch and dribbling to these players but not sure about this. This is why we have training and coaching sessions last i heard :)

  • 119 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    toon prodigy

    Options were limited so I can forgive him.

    Jonas- off form.
    Obertan- not very consistent
    fergie- has dont ok but not a great deal, still lacks experience and a struggling team isn’t where to get it

    So he did struggle for options to play there.

  • 120 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    I can’t see people’s admiration of Douglas. Whilst I agree that with him ring a freebie – the financial side of it makes sense – I’m just not sure he is the right player or personality for this club. If he would be a replacement for willo I would be happy – but having seen a fair bit of Douglas – I’m not sure he could replace colo who is nigh on to leave in the summer.

    As I’ve said, we have put months an months of groundwork into Alderwield and I highly doubt that would be for nothing. GC himself has been to watch the player on several occasions so I’m confident our interest is real. I believe he will have 12months left on his contract in the summer as is our No.1 target.

    I like Sakho a lot – but he thinks very highly of himself and again – possibly lacks the right character we are looking for.

    Alderwield and Mirin for me, to replace (and date I say..) upgrade BOTH colo and Willo.

  • 121 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Nobody touches xavi and iniesta at the moment . Not even xabi alonso and he made world 11 so ur point is tripe dont forget last jan barca made enquiries about cabaye availability.

  • 122 hotdog // Feb 6, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    on the hoof ball subject – Chelsea let you play. Villa pressed us second half and we constantly kicked it back to them. Ill reserve judgement to see how the new players get on.

  • 123 Spreadthetoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Nick69
    Carroll would not wish to be a last resort striker and I would only offer Liverpool £3-4m max. Personally I do not rate him and he has too many injuries. I can understand that perhaps as a super sub or a game changer but I’d rather have Le Fondre than Carroll in that case.

  • 124 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Sage
    He name dropped both Manchester clubs and Liverpool as well mate

    Am not saying its all doom and gloom but Ed stated HBA won’t leave which isn’t true he could well be on his way if someone matches his value I don’t think he will leave but its possible

  • 125 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    And a few whisperings in Paris today regards HBA. But am looking to find out more before I create havoc on the blog.

  • 126 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    toon in spain

    It interesting what people count as world class.

    I think you need a lot of quality and to be consistent over a few years to be in that bracket.Players like messi, ronaldo, xavi, iniesta, scholes, etc etc

    Cabaye is a very good footballer but he needs to be consistent over a few seasons to be world class and not very good.

    It’s easier to get consistency in a top team though.

  • 127 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    @Ibiza

    I’m resident here whilst my bro (B&B) remains on co.uk.

    Regarding the players being world class or potential, I can only judge them on what I’ve seen.

    Cabaye came relatively unknown but with a good reputation. Since he came, I have not seen this world class player that rolls off some people’s tongues. I’ve seen the odd outstanding game but the rest has been pretty average.

    I’m sure with better players around him his game will improve though. It’s far easier to play better when you have good players who anticipate your game.

    Until I see a consistently high standard from him over a season or two then as I say, he remains on the, much to prove list.

  • 128 nufc 11 // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Dont be surprised if we dont spend one single penny in the summer, it wasnt to long ago that DL was going on about purples being seinor players and they diidnt intend on buying anyone else until the shit hit the fan had we have kept Ba and the new players wed have some squad but however to be linking us with other players at this stage after our recent outlay is madness, ps id love shako to replace colo.

  • 129 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Regarding other players, when we are talking world class, then only Barfa has the real credentials to go on and be a great. IMO.

  • 130 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    how many english players would get in our lineup atm ?
    best bet would be a striker and i can only really think of rooney that would be any where near the quality we need !

    personally i think the best british talent who would have got in our team the soonest would have been butland 3.5mil-stoke and that would have been through injuries.

    i have high hopes for cambell/inman and reme streete but not sure streete is british or not.

  • 131 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    WWYCD

    Ah i didn’t see those ones.

    Man utd have 4 forwards then kagawa, zaha, nani, young, valencia as wingers of attacking mids so can’t see them getting him.

    Man city have 3 forwards, then silva and nasri, can’t see them going for him when linked with cavanni and those huge players.

    Liverpool’s owner said he wont spend big and look for value in youth. so cant see that.

    PSG are the only option in my eyes but they seem to be after ronaldo so can’t see them going for ben arfa who isn’t as big a name which is all they want.

  • 132 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Transfer,

    Yep,

    I can only think he wanted someone who could finish out there. Only plausible explanation to me.

    Ben Arfa is our man for that spot. Terrible timing, all of our injuries and suspensions were. I’v never knew such bad luck. We certaintly got found out big time in regards to our quality in depth.

    Nevermind though, it’s been rectified now, hopefully they will not make the same mistake again.

  • 133 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Troy….I’m not going to even try to understand the “I’m resident here whilst my bro (B&B) remains on co.uk.” part, so far you seem keen on debate which is always welcomed.

    I suppose that statement is fair enough, although I do think he is a great players and will prove to be world class in the years to come. Back to my other question then, do you think we have any truly “world class” players at the club now?

  • 134 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    troy

    Cabaye has been fantastic for france for over a year now with really good players around him. He is running the show for them.

  • 135 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    Torq
    Will PSG drop 30plus millon on HBA?

  • 136 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    :) Ignore 131 then.

    So Ben Arfa isn’t quite there yet then? I think the majority of our players could do with more consistency tbh. I have no doubt about the talent within our squad, perhaps it’s a lack of belief within the team that causes these lapses?

  • 137 tooninspain // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Boom Boom….don’t be a prat. Just because my opinion is different to your’s doesn’t mean it’s “tripe”. My definition of a world-class player is if he would get in to a world 11, and the answer is no. He wouldn’t get in to a European 11 at the moment You’ll be telling us we’ve got three or four world class players next.

  • 138 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Torq @123…You can’t hint at things like that and not expect havoc on the blog, come on now, you know the way this works…

  • 139 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    @131 ibiza

    would you not class world cup players (regular for there country’s) as world class players ?

    or are we saying only those current players who would get into a dream team 11 are world class players ?

  • 140 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    What do people count as world class?

    -Being the best player in your position in the world?

    -Being capable of playing in any team and not looking out of place?

    -Having outstanding class with consistency?

    It’s hard to compare I think. You probably have 2/3/4 maybe for each position in world football where you have world class.

    Forwards – ronaldo, messi, possibly ibrahimovich, falcao and RVP

    attacking Midfielders – Xavi, iniesta, alonso, pirlo,

    defensive midfield- not sure on?

    defenders – kompany (maybe), hummels, puyol…but its hard to judge as defensive qualities needed vary league to league more that attacking ones

    keeper – buffon, casillas

  • 141 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Sage
    I don’t disagree with any of that mate but he could still leave in the summer if someone meets his value. Its naive to think he will 100% be here next season

    Fact is clubs like ours get cherry picked from by the bigger clubs, its all about how well u deal with it and we are inconsistent in doing that

  • 142 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    croftus….Me being a fence sitter I’d say that’s exactly the issue. What determines world class?

    I would say without a doubt most of the Spanish national team are world class, then you have your Pirlos, Ronaldos and Messis, etc.

    If that is the benchmark then I’m not sure Cabaye does fit in there yet…but that’s a pretty tough list to break into and requires more than one or two years in your national side. Personally I don’t doubt he will grace that list soon.

  • 143 Mister Tuff // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Tsunki ref previous post:-
    “Mr Tuff – ‘Novum Castrum super Tynum.’
    Fantastic. Feels like super needs a capital ‘S’ don’t you think”.
    I copied this as written from an original reference, I agree it would look better with the “s” of “super” capitalised. Whilst I know little about Latin grammar, I presume it follows the rule of not capitalising prepositions within multiple word place names.

  • 144 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Ibiza – I’m just worried you will whip my picture off the wall should something I say not happen! :-)

    Yo / Ibiza – from what I am hearing, PSG are looking at the possibility of taking HBA to the club in the summer. They are aware of his valuation and the person at the club whom I spoke with found the “HBA / AC” link laughable and asked what happened to cause Carroll value to sky rocket! :-)

    He has hinted that whilst they know his true value when at the top of his game (ie how much we value him at!) they would look to more like a player(s) + some cash deal.

    The names mooted are easy to guess and would look to either strengthen us at the back and/or up top,

  • 145 Spreadthetoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    I think I’d like to set the record straight……HBA is happy @ the Toon and will stay if we continue to show ambition. As a player it is more rewarding to be on a journey towards great success as opposed to ready made. We’ve shown the ambition and HBA has only ever stated that he would be tempted to play for his idol team of PSG. I think that is fair enough IMO, HBA has been loyal and will continue to be. We do however need to re-negotiate his contract now……HBA is our most creative player and an enigma…..IMO he’s north of £40m+

  • 146 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    We must sign Gomis, Douglas and Sulejmani as they’re all free and would improve our squad. I’d rather have Alderweireld than Sakho. Toby A is a goalscorer and a great ball distributor. We desperately need him. I’d be happy with he following signings:

    Gomis
    Sulejmani
    Douglas
    Alderweireld
    Benteke

    Total spend = £19m

  • 147 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    That would give us a champions league squad.

  • 148 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    WWYCD

    Apologies. I didn’t mean to imply he would be 100% staying.

    I just think out of the clubs mentioned the only ones who could afford and want him are PSG.

    Obviously the likes of real/inter/barca could if they wanted as well.

  • 149 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    So theres only 11 world class players in football?

  • 150 jayphoto // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    If Benny goes i would only want to see him go to PSG! They pay crazy prices, if we could get say 18m and Sakho then i’d take that! With 10-12m to spend on a right winger we could sign someone alot more consistent with much higher goals and assists than HBA! Think alot of ppl view him through rose tinted glasses because he takes players on and is very skilful! Like ive said before, routledge has more goals and more assists from less minutes in the premier league than HBA! Love benny as a player but find it crazy ppl say hes the one player we cant lose! Would rate Cabaye as miles ahead of him in importance! Id alsp have colo, an inform tiote and on so fars viewing, sissoko ahead of him in first names on the team sheet!

  • 151 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    @140

    hehe i knew you was gonna say that :-)

    would the likes of messi be good in say a bristol city club though ^^ or would it depend on the players around him to compliment him !

    it was brought up about sissoko playing dm and when pards has played him at no10 role he looks a different class so would the role play a part in a world class player or could you play ronaldo at cb and still be world class ?

    imo shearer was world class even though he was not the best in the world and the likes of barca didnt want him so i personally think world class players are players i could put in a team to imo beat any team or atleast give them a hell of a game.

  • 152 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Torq
    Sakho or Gameiro then eh haha

  • 153 tooninspain // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Cabaye ain’t one of them….yet. One swallow doesn’t make a summer sunny boy.

  • 154 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    To me, world class is consistently performing at a very high level on the international stage with a cemented place.

    In regards to our very own players. I don’t class any of them as world class, but Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Krul, Sissoko, Debuchy, Cisse, M’bwia all have the potential to be world class.

    Only time will tell.

    S Taylor had the potential. His injuries have got the better of him.
    Marveux has ability not quite held in the same regard as yet as our other french lads.
    Colo & Guti get there games for Argentina but not quite held in regards as world class. Although I do rate Colo very highly. His performance away to the makums earlier this season was outstanding. Breath taking.

  • 155 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    I think you will find bobby robson tried to bring shearer to barca

  • 156 Spreadthetoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    Torq
    I would be absolutely gutted if we lost HBA to PSG but accept that its a possibility. But IMO given player values in France I think MA would only be interested in a cash transaction upfront and I think it would be in the region of £40m+. Of all the players in the premier league I rate him higher than pretty much any other player than perhaps….Van Persie. He’s definitely of that mould and class though, besides I do not think that PSG have any players that we really need / want in comparison with other clubs in Europe. Anyway even if we get a high sum you can expect every agent, their dog and the clubs alike expecting huge fees! Get HBA back from Paris now and start on renegotiating his contract…..I’d break the wage structure for this lad!

  • 157 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    boom

    I would say theres more than 11. For me world class are players that consistently perform at a very very high level. Messi, ronaldo, etc etc

    I think Great players are another level, they are the ones that capture a whole generation like maradonna, pelle, zidane etc etc…the ones you talk about years after they leave the game.

  • 158 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    My only worry regarding Ben Arfa is PSG.

    He would go on strike and travel to PSG if mike ashley was to over price him haha.

    I wouldn’t be too impressed in this case.

  • 159 Spreadthetoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    TS
    What players would you say are world class in the premiership?
    Suarez, Rooney, Van Persie etc as example

  • 160 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Transfer,
    Not exactly fanatic re: Andy, but he is better than most think on the ground. Anyway, he ain’t coming back until his contract with West Ham (surely they will stay up, 17 mil) expires. We still need a CF, as Cisse, mysteriously, is not the same as last year. Having said that, he played ok last week though last year he would’ve tucked those two chances away.
    You mention AP, and learning from mistakes, agreed there. For me, the jury’s still out, I’m waiting for those 40 points before I get overexcited. Remember, we could’ve easily lost last game. Having said that, we should’ve at least drawn at ManU and that Arsenal thumping was… ‘unfair’.
    Spurs will be an incredible challenge.

  • 161 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Ben Arfa is the most giften player we have. He glides past players at ease.

    His problem, even in france, has been converting that dazzling ability into goals and assists.

    He has never contributed more than 8 goals and 7 assists in a season.

    Look at hazard who I watch and think is no where near as good as ben arfa he scored over 20 in a season in france and already has 8 goals this year with 16 assists.

  • 162 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Sage
    I only brought it up because there was that theme going on thorugh this blog…just aint true imo and since am such a opinionated f****r I thought I’d chip in

  • 163 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Spread – Id love to keep the lad too! And considering the awful reputation of having a bad attitude etc in France – we’ve seen none of that at this club. He is a very loyal and humble person at heart,

    He realised that this club took a huge punt on him and signed him to a big long term contract when he was injured. He knows we didn’t need to take the risk – and every good performance he puts in he refers to it in the press as ‘paying back the faith the club put in him’!

    I can’t see him playing for another club in England (imo) and should PSG come calling and chuck in a big lump of money with say…Sakho or Gamiero – I don’t think anybody will blame the club or the players for agreeing a deal.but the money HAS to be right.

  • 164 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    @Ibiza

    My views are very similar to Toon prodigys on our potential world class players.

    For me, Barfa has a unique ability to shoot right to the top overnight if a top club comes in for him.

    The rest that TP names are real potentials but haven’t shown anywhere near enough so far.

  • 165 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Of our players and ‘world class’, the question is, who would make it in Barca? I watched them vs. Valencia a couple of days ago and that was scary (ps. and they had an ‘off day’ supposedly. Well, only one of our players would make it there….

  • 166 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Croftus…Well I wouldn’t wish to disappoint :)

    I’d have no problems calling Shearer world class, he proved his ability over a long period at club and international level.

    I also don’t doubt that having the right players around a world class player certainly helps the process along, as you say, would Messi shine as he does in a lower tier football club…probably, but it’s guesswork.

    On Sissoko, that’s another case of potential to be as far as I’m concerned. He looks to be wonderful in that No.10 role, but it is only two games for us, so hardly conclusive.

    If consistency is key then question marks would likely be placed over all of our star players, however, as we strengthen the team the stars will continue to grow and achieve their goals.

  • 167 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    spread

    I’m not sure if there are many in the prem league.

    RVP, kompany, cech, ashley cole, rooney (but isn’t as consistent as i would want him to be), tevez, aguero, i am struggling to think of many more of the top of my head

    then have the likes of those with potential is they continue with current level of consistency : suarez, baines, hazard, mata, bale

  • 168 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    Also in regards to Ben arfa,

    I feel WE are holding him back.

    As does he with his “ambition quotes” lately directed to the board.

    He knows if he is put in any one of the top four he will be even better.

    Excellent players with that sort of ability will always shine in great teams.

  • 169 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    cyprus

    I agree andy is underrated on the ground but he still falls below and acceptable level I think. Much rather we go for a player in the mold of llorente as a target man.

    Can play on the deck but also offers an out ball if we need to go long.

  • 170 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    On the “Would they fit in to Barcelona team” discussion, yes they would and they would thrive. Problem is Barcelona already have super super players who our players would find it difficult to dislodge. Not that they aren’t good enough, but the talent there is already so good and established that it’s near impossible to break into the team.

    As with anything in a team sport, the whole is greater than the sum of it’s parts, so it’s hard to fairly judge when justifying how one of our players would fair in a team like Barcelona.

  • 171 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    toon prodigy

    He did say the ambition being showed in january was good and that was before the likes of sissoko and mbiwa signed.

  • 172 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Actually,
    I’m being too tough. Our goalie (also that QPR goalie!) and Santon (yep) wouldn’t look out of place. And in Pique, they have an average player.

  • 173 Pardews Parsnip Bonce // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    world class to me means that there is nobody better than you in your position. there may be equals but nobody clearly better. cabaye could become world class. tiote who one member of this blog said is world class is not a complete enough player to be anywhere near world class. Ben arfa is gifted enough but lacks the consistency to be considered world class. i think we have some players with the potential to fit in that category if they improve certain areas and consistency.
    krul, mbiwa, hba, cabs, santon and sissoko.

  • 174 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    ibiza

    I think it more means if they played instead of say xavi or iniesta would they quality drop or remain a similar standard.

    Obviously we would see a difference as they aren’t identical players but its more could they play in that team and keep the same quality as a whole.

  • 175 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    PPB

    thats true…you need to be one of the top if not the top performer in your position.

    I doubt many would argue shearer ws world class, all time prem league leading scorer in a far from dominant team and a 1 in 2 record over 60+ games for country.

    But its hard to compare him with other strikers like rvp or messi.

  • 176 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Is HBA injury prone following that horrific break?
    Agreed on post regarding consistency, although he is the only guy I meant would slot in easily at Barca.

  • 177 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    TS…Given a season or two and given the same education as those players, then yes, I think they would be able to emulate (within reason) those players.

    I think most are in agreement on this then, we have some great players at the club, but for whatever reason (not quite at their peak or not having the needed players around them,…yet) they’re not quite world class, but more potential to be world class.

    Sounds too simple. I’m going to throw in to the debate that I think Williamson is world class.

  • 178 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Xavi and Iniesta are a rare breed. Messi wouldn’t be … Messi without them. Look at him with Argentina.

  • 179 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    ibiza

    I rank great ahead of world class…where does that leave me :S

    I think that great is somebody who’s legacy lives for generations…maradonna, ronaldo (brazil), zidane, etc

  • 180 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Ibiza, should I bite :)
    It was Williamson who took you to 5th last year, not Tayls. There you go!

  • 181 rainrix // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    torq… I think the reason HBA is so loyal is due to what happened at man city. I think he must have genuinely been touched by the support we gave him. If you compare the goal he scored against everton where he seemed apathetic to now when he’s Ecstatic when he’s scored.

    We and him have a great relationship, however i think he will eventually move on. I would be sad but if we got a ridiculous price for him it would soften the blow. If we got say 30mil we could potentially become a CL team or even PL contenders. Of course i wouldn’t sell him to an english team though, that would be horrible :)

  • 182 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Ok this world class debate is rather pointless as it depends on how u urself defines it for me Cabs and Colo are world class players HBA is hit and miss the rest are as yet undecided or just good

    Many won’t agree but its subjective

  • 183 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    cyprus

    Messi is definitely helped by his team at barca however most players are better at club level these days, they train more than they used to 20/30 years ago and therefore get much better connected than ever before so its hard to emulate that at international level.

  • 184 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    TS….I should have thought about the use of the word great there, as we do indeed have the “greats” which are generally older players who as you say leave a legacy. So none of our players would fall in to that, unless we’re discussing the great mackem slayers of course (step forward Sir Shola). Can I change it to really good then? :)

  • 185 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    @Ibiza

    Willo is a superstar not world class ;-)

  • 186 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Ben Arfa is the perfect player for newcastle.

    All the talent and potential in the world but manages to underachieve based on potential but still entertain the loyal fans.

  • 187 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    ibiza

    Use whatever term you see fit sir.

    Everyone has their own views of different rankings and ratings etc etc.

  • 188 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    At the moment, I think these players in the premiership are world class:

    Demba Ba
    Suarez
    Mata
    David Luiz
    Ben Arfa
    Santon
    Gerrard (maybe 5 years ago)
    Scholes (maybe 7 years ago)
    Walcott
    Yaya Toure
    David Silva
    Aguero
    Paul Scharner

    That’s a list of players that I can think of who appear to be world class footballers. All of the rest are either good, up and coming or average. In Willo and Simmos case, extremely poor.

  • 189 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    If Marveuax wasn’t injury prone, he’d be world class.

  • 190 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Yo…Since when has there been sense to our debates? :)

    Cyprus….All my shots are up to date, so bite away ;) I don’t have a major prob with dear Willo, he does his best and when the team is playing well he performs a role at the club. Still, he would never be one of my first choice CB’s and we can do better. Love Taylor, but the guy is never around long enough to be considered as anything more than a bit part player, which is a shame.

  • 191 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    kets

    I think you got everything you like in a post all rolled in to one.

    - a list of players – check
    - scharner – check
    -simmo/willo bashing – check

    Haha. I disagree about walcott being world class, potential but not doing it anywhere near often enough, david luiz has talent but too man mistakes for a CB, no to ba, ben arfa and santon. Others seem fine in my view though.

  • 192 DJEVUK // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Sakho to Newcastle? Yes please!

  • 193 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Kets….I’m glad you included Sir Paul in that list, I’m amazed Wigan managed to lure him back, was sure he was destined for one of the worlds biggest clubs…there is always the summer I guess.

    Troy….He’s super something, that’s for sure.

  • 194 ajcrawfs // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    @Ketsbaia9

    No place for RVP? Surely best in the league at the moment?

    Also Leighton Baines and Jack Wilshire are world class

  • 195 hotdog // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    TOON-PRODIGY #154 – Id dont hink ive ever looked at Steven Taylor and thought he has a chance of being a World Class player.
    We have one player that could arguably walk into any top 6 european side and that is Hatem imo.

  • 196 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Paul scharner hahhaahhahahahahahahahah u lunatic

  • 197 Paps // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Kets
    Cabaye not there?

  • 198 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Ibiza
    Very fair point I’ll change my tune

    Ur all wrong am right anyone who disagrees is daft

    Kets
    Scharner is world class? Interesting a world class player being on loan…to a relegation team like Wigan

  • 199 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    crawfs

    I’d say baines is getting their, he has now had a good 18 months, certainly no worse that the likes of marcelo at madrid….ashley cole is world class

    wilshire has the potential just needs to do it more consistently over a longer period of time.

  • 200 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Yo…No need to call people daft….bit over the top there mate :)

  • 201 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Think Van Persie is a decent player, but he’s not as good as Demba Ba. Ba is probably the best striker in the world at the moment.

    Ben Arfa and Santon are also class and are bothe worth around £30m each.

    Scharner’s made an impact already. He set up Wigan’s equalizer against Soton at the weekend. Great signing for them. I expect Wigan to stay up. Soton, Villa and Reading to go down.

  • 202 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Actually I would consider Walcott one of the seasons top performers …jesus I just sided with Kets am off for a exorcism

  • 203 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Oh kets….

    …you make this blog what it is, my friend! :-)

  • 204 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    Ashley cole WAS world class. Ask Sissoko

  • 205 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    Saha signs for lazio what a schemer

  • 206 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    Cyrpus…When Sissoko was asked he simply replied…”Who? Did they have a LB playing?”

  • 207 rainrix // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Thanks for that kets the old bait and switch :)

  • 208 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    This fella is that mad im starting to believe he may actually be ketsbaia!

  • 209 croftus5678 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    @188 kets

    you missed abied ^^

  • 210 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Ibiza
    Pmsl I apologize it was awfully sting

  • 211 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Here’s my summer sale blowout, if anyone’s interested: HBA 81 mil., Santon 30 mil., Sissoko same, Krul 15, Tiote 15

  • 212 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    Yo…It’s alright, but anymore and I’ll dig out my blog complaint template and get in touch with Ed…this is a blog for all sorts of people and we don’t want to offend anyone.

  • 213 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    He will be world class in 3 years. Santon’s definitely a £39m player. The lad was class against Chelsea. I wouldn’t sell Ben Arfa for anything less than £58m.

  • 214 BOOM BOOM THE 1ST // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    50 for cabaye aswell cyprus

  • 215 tooninspain // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Kets….presumably you thought Ketsbaia was world class too. Demba Ba better than RVP? I despair.

  • 216 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    I wouldn’t consider an offer of less than a bajillion for any of our star players.

    Kets…Do you not think we could get the full £40m for Santon? Maybe split the difference at £39.5m?

  • 217 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Guys, please don’t knock ketsbaia, he’s a legend in Cyprus, has a home here and started his career here.

  • 218 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Ibiza
    I have brought shame upon all those I know :(

    I have to admit Kets ur ability to bring all the blog together in sheer confusion is a skill…ur like the drunk grand father of the group in the corner shouting and I have grown to appreciate this

  • 219 Rake // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    I think Benny could do with being told to simplify his game. Like beat a player then pass the ball and move up the pitch. Often he runs around with the ball ends up in the middle of the pitch and just passes it sideways. I’m not having a dig but was reading a post further up which was saying he doesn’t get many assits or goals in comparison to less “skilled” players

  • 220 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    Nice fella too, though yes, a bit dangerous

  • 221 Every Hole's a Goal // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Would be a fantastic signing.

  • 222 hotdog // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    Coyote = Ashley Cole, sissoko = Roadrunner

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJW7EF5aVk

    BEEP BEEP – some of you yunguns wont remeber this haha

  • 223 Spreadthetoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    Torq
    HBA is a £40m+ IMO. There is no other player like him in that position in the entirety of the premier league IMO. Even @ that price I would be very very reluctant and any replacement would be equally expensive.
    TS
    Consistency is a BIG thing, but if we compare our players with that of other leagues such as France, Spain, Germany or Italy do not have the same busy schedule that our players have…..so injuries come into it. IMO HBA was just beginning to show of his best last season. I think he is capable of a lot more but injuries hamper your progress…..like Saylor for example. I’d like HBA to remain with us, and I hope he does as the prospect of him with our 1st team really is very VERY exciting. I think HBA is a world class player but its difficult to draw comparisons. Personally I’d love Messi to do a stint over hear so we can see like for like!

  • 224 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Thanks Hot Dog!!

  • 225 Munster Mag // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    longball/hoof football you mention is a myth created by the Pardew bashers.

    What is true, is that it was more or less simpson and williamson knocking it long to get rid of the ball, nervous, lacking confidence. NUFC have never set out to play longball football.

    …Toon Prodigy, thats not true either. I for one always said I would back Pardew if he changed style an improved in the 2nd half of the season – and he is. I’ve been a staunch fan since he took his firts press conference. But this season has been shocking and the Sunday Times had us top of the stats for long balls – worse than west Ham or Stoke. It wasnt just the two players u mentioned – it couldnt be, to get that kind of start. Taylor was at it, Colu, Krul ( who was instructing him ? The coaches of course ). This is Pardews fault aswell as the playres. The managers defines the philosophy of how his team will play. The team also lost its aggressive closing down that we had last season, being far more concerned with retreating into shape. Did you see how bad we were v Everton at St James’s without the ball? There’s no way any fan can absolve Pardew of fault. Thats just illogical . If a mgr cant take responsibility for blame ( and he does at times, fair play – but i’m talking about fans absolving him ) , then teams might aswell not have managers.

  • 226 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    Ba is the complete player. Van Persie has no right foot and isn’t as menacing in the box. Van Persie has a negative attitude. Ba is better in the air and is also better at shooting outside the box. Ba is also younger. If they played together, Ba would outshine Van Persie.

  • 227 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    spread

    messi plays more games and a higher intensity than any of our players and he is consistent…i know he is an extreme example though.

    I think the english league is physical but the amount of ground messi and barca players in general cover is insane, they go all over closing down.

    I think the english playing more games etc is just a myth and an excuse for our national side.

  • 228 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    Wouldn’t be surprised if Man Utd are in for Perch and Tiote. They need some players in order to strengthen their midfield. They won’t be able to get a game for us so they might fancy their chances at Man Utd.

  • 229 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2274396/Peter-Lovenkrands-robbed-30k-watch-outside-home.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490#axzz2JwmNK9ll

    What the hell? Hope they are found quickly

  • 230 Transfer Sage // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    van persie has a better right foot than most right footed players never mind his left

  • 231 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Van Persie tends to toe punt it with his right.Rooney is also overrated. He was at his best at the age of 18 and has declined ever since.

  • 232 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Also 40+mill for HBA? Interesting logic there

    And Man Utd are desperate for Perch would be stunned if they dont come in for him they need some distinctly average players who can kick people good and proper

  • 233 eaststandgeordie1982 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Hotdog

    Loves them cartoons

  • 234 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Stats:
    santon 56 tackles, jonas 50, cabaye 30
    effective clearances: will 141 (note ibiza!), tayl 66, colo 57
    interceptions: sant 42, jonas 40, cabs 35
    duels won: wills 164 (yep!), sant 156, guti 119

  • 235 Munster Mag // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    In addition, we had a good set up with Ba on the left and Cisse in the middle. Myself and others like Billson predicted in the summer taht he would go two up ( Pardew said this himself when he bought Cisse ) top and it would cause issues. Moreover, he pandered to Ba’s powerful personality and let him go central. It worked only to a point. lets not get illogical and revisionist here and start erasing the mistakes from the manager. You could add that playing Guti all day long wasnt a good move either. To re-iterate, I wasnt screamin for Pards to be replaced, but I was screaming for him to manage differently. Put it this way, how many free kicks went straight to Willo in the box?? This is alll about coaching and creativity. Delighted with current progress though, and well done to all.

  • 236 hotdog // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    Kets – “Van Persie Toe punts the ball” – Christ he has made a canny living playing like that ffs!!

  • 237 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    I’d rather have Perch in my team than players like Carrick and Anderson.They are in dire need of 3/4 midfielders. We only need to tweak our squad, but Man Utd need to improve in nearly all areas apart from up front. They could do with replacing Welbeck though. he just isn’t up to it. He is their Shola.

  • 238 tooninspain // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Kets….Messi is one-footed, and rarely scores a header (he’s only 5’7″), and yet he’s the best player in the world, so smoke that. Also, Ba’s left foot is no better than RVP’s right foot. Get a grip……Fergie is a better judge than you kidda.

  • 239 WWYCD // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    Kets
    Then I stand by my opinion that u are the drunken insane grand father of the blog

  • 240 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Classic @228

  • 241 donkeypunch // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    how much is HBA worth good qwestion. Only way to get the real anser is compare him to a player you could replace him with and match his abilty

  • 242 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Now, what’s the plan re that Bale character? Take him out? Show him to the right? Man mark? Ignore?

  • 243 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Wrong. Messi is good in the air. Did you see his goal against Man Utd in the champions league final?

    Ferguson is the best manager in the world. He seems to make a lot of poor purchases though. United have wasted a lot of money. Why pay £20m in D’Gea when you can get Tim Krul for £140k. They should’ve signed Ba for free rather than paying £24m for Van Persie.

    Ajax were all over them last season in the champions league. Braga should’v beat them at old trafford. We should’ve got 3 points against them, even with Willo and Simmo playing. They will get knocked out of the champions league before the quarter final stages.

  • 244 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    AP you here?

  • 245 Spreadthetoon // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    TS
    La Liga in Spain looks like they have the same fixture list. I know that they have Cup De Rei like our FA Cup but I do not think they have 2 cups like we do. Either way your right, it looks like our fixture list is similar.
    I’d be interested to know just out of observation as to whether the injuries in England are higher than other leagues cos’ of the climate etc. My theory being that a colder climate instills a higher volume of injuries in a season. Of course I could be talking complete TOSH! Hahahahaha LOL :)

  • 246 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Kets,
    somehow, you do have a point. But, how do they win so often for as long as I remember?

  • 247 eaststandgeordie1982 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    Whitley bay play metalist on sunday night bit random hope the bay kick the shite out of them.

  • 248 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Spread,
    that makes sense. But, are there more injuries in places like… siberia :O)

  • 249 Nick 69 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    I think a lot of people on here are too kind in calling players world class. For me, world class, would be, if you were to pick a squad of the worlds best players, who would get in. i.e the top 2/3 players in that position in the world. And to be honest in the EPL, there wouldn’t be many for me.

  • 250 cyprus // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Ok, off, poker night. Hope to do a Chelsea :)

  • 251 OhSholaAmeobi // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Spurs it’ll be the same team w/ Tiote on bench instead of Bigi. Will be a tight game and Tiote will come on in the second half and get booked for lynching Scotty Parker. You heard it here first.

  • 252 OhSholaAmeobi // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    cyprus
    does ‘effective clearances’ count going to one of our own players? haha. williamson hoofs it out at least 10 times a match.

  • 253 ONLINE GUY // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    RE: HBA liverstool link ..It’s just paper talk lies

    Don’t forget that Pardew revealed we made a cheeky £7 mill bid for AC last summer ..And made reference to the fact that liverstool thought we were taking the piss..I can still recall Pardew having a good smirk at that ..I was Smirking too ! Hilarious !…

    Amazing how something tantamount ..nay…Total lie, appears in the Guardian, by some Liverstool Sympathiser

    And we sit here debating the lie ..made up , dreamt up dreamer’s story .

    Getting like Talk sport on here Debating Lie’s !

  • 254 hotdog // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Cyprus – watch out for the swan neckers :-)

  • 255 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    It’s the influence of Alex Ferguson. He gets the best out of average players. They have to sign younger talent. Too many of their first teamers are getting on now. I’m confident that we’ll beat them twice next season. As long as we don’t lose key players. Chelsea have the best squad in my opinion. City only have three world class players in Aguero, Toure and Silva. Tevez will be off in the summer.

  • 256 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    Raylor would also be to have coming off the bench. He is completely different compared to players like Obertan, Ben Arfa, Gutierrez, Gouffran etc. Raylor is similar to Beckham. He uses his brain when he makes a pass. Very intelligent player.

  • 257 Big Pappa Cissé // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Sissoko vs Cole :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VvReakyvVw

  • 258 tooninspain // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Wrong? I said he rarely scores a header. Look up the facts. You sound more like a mackem than a level-headed Toon supporter.

  • 259 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    You can check the facts. Messi isn’t a centre forward so it’s obvious that he won’t be scoring 15 headers per season.

    I’m good at identifying good players and poor players.

  • 260 ONLINE GUY // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Over the years Liverstool have poached our best player’s that’s how they stayed at the top for so long , just poach every other club’s best player’s, not rocket sc…..

    Loosing Beardsley, McDermott, Kennedy,(old school mate)

    Albert Stubbins ..dont laugh !.. Wor German, Jose Enrique any more?

    And recall them being done for poaching Boro Player’s .
    they see the north east as easy picking’s

    They are the worst tappers up in football history ..They have no respect for other clubs and have always been tinged with arrogance ..they are imho the most arrogant club this side of Mars..

    They never seem to sell a good player ..unless that player wants to leave ..they then will only sell to an overseas club ..not to the competition ..that’s the way they operate ..they are arrogant, and still think they are a big club ,..they are of course, living on the past .

    AC is no good for our system now …if he’s no good for L/pool what makes them think he is good enough for us ?

    Saying that, I’m debating what I think is false dreamt up report’s .

  • 261 ONLINE GUY // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Saying that, I’m debating what I think ARE false dreamt up report’s .

  • 262 JAMSHA // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    WAT TIME DOES THE FRANCE MATCH START????

  • 263 hotdog // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    ONLINE GUY – Very true, we should go in for Suarez :-) I know he is of the bellamy attitude but the lad is quality. I can see Man City coming in for him to replace Tevez.

  • 264 ichrisho // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Lads – France vs Germany Live Stream on the Guardian Website…. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/interactive/2013/feb/06/france-germany-live-video-stream

    Cabaye, Sissoko and Debuchy to start… will be a good match… goes online live @ 7.50pm tonight…

  • 265 ichrisho // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    Lads – Also have a wee look at Demba Ba’s latest interviews and Pics on Twitter… now he is eithr in love with Wor Cabaye… or he is “courting” him for Chelsea…

  • 266 ichrisho // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Pardew “proud” of Jonas… what is he? His father… #weird

  • 267 Big Pappa Cissé // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    @ Hotdog

    Yeah, Suarez is to good for Liverfool like. I reckon he will go to Bayern at the end of the season

  • 268 donkeypunch // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    le tissier now that is what you call a world class player but only 10 caps for england no wonder we have never won anythink since 1966 also georgi kinkladze he was awesome

  • 269 ONLINE GUY // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    Hotdog

    Aye, offer them James Perch for Suarez ! Sounds as redic as Andy Carroll for HBA ! .

  • 270 ONLINE GUY // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    I’m hoping that we announce another 5 year contract for Hatem in the next week or so ..Scare all the dreamers away !

    He’s a £25 mill player, no doubt, and more ! Make that £30 mill.

    New contract for Hatem ..Ashley ! …Ashley ! ?

  • 271 hotdog // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    Got to fly lads BEEP BEEP :-)

  • 272 tooninspain // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Kets…we’re all good at that. That’s why we’re on a bloody blog and not getting paid big bucks for it like Carr.

  • 273 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    Alreet Munster,

    Im not sure where your going with this..

    I’v already said Pardew is not blameless?

    My opinion, is that his mistakes (if he made them or not) wouldn’t have a great deal of difference to this campaign.

    You can nitty pick over his wrong doings in hindsight, but to me the significant problems which have caused chaos to this campaign are alot more blatant than who is playing here or there. Or who we are knocking a free kick into.

    With better results & quality on the pitch, and with significant back up for injuries, I doubt half of what people have suggested he was to blame for would of even been mentioned. It would of went unnoticed. They certaintly wouldn’t of been calling for his head.

    I dont buy into all this, it’s too easy to knock a manager whose hands are tied and he does not have the correct tools at his disposal. I believe with the adequate support which he should of recieved in the summer the players would not of been under performing this last 6 months and we would of had the quality to build on last seasons finish with the extra additions he should have got.

  • 274 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    @kets

    Am I right in believing you stated yesterday, man for man we have better players than Man Utd?

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

  • 275 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    Ichrisho – I think Debuchy is starting on the bench.

    Sagna is starting RB. Gutted for Debs but kinda hoping our lads do the minimum a mind come back home injury free.

    Over 81,000 tickets sold for tonight’s game! Gonna be a heck of an atmosphere. Got my toon shirt all ready to go !

  • 276 Tsunki // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    Mister Tuff – yes the grammatical rules translate over languages so such prepositions and definite articles are the descriptive or qualifying part of the name, such as ‘upon’ or ‘over’ or even a combo such as ‘on the’, just thought we could mangle it a bit to give it some emphasis on the modern English sense of the word ‘super’ – would have a nice ring to it but a bit of a beggar to weave the whole name into a chant or song ha ha :)

    Troy – you give the game away on your closet admiration of dreamboat by conceding that he might have been stifled by the team around him. That’s where I stand with him, with better players who have a bit more of a footballing brain he works well. I’ll go one better – I think obertan plays neat and quick passing football when he has someone decent to interchange with. I’ll stop there. ;)

  • 277 Tsunki // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Troy – hold that dog back, kets is too easy a target for you :)

  • 278 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Sorry I can’t provide the link but this was an interesting article about joe Kinnear who was interviewed on talksport today;

    In the most astonishing rewriting of history, Joe (JFK) Kinnear has claimed that he did ‘exceptionally well’ at Newcastle United!

    I certainly didn’t believe what I was hearing but there it was, with the help of the sycophantic Richard Keys and Andy Gray, Joe Kinnear has claimed that but for ill health he would still be at St.James’ Park now and that in his time here he’d help lay teh foundations for the future success.

    There is a load of patronising rubbish about Newcastle city centre being full of two hundred thousand penguins (fans in black & white shirts) and stating as fact that even the women in go to work in Newcastle United shirts(?!!!), plus a lot of rubbish about unfair treatment form the fans and ‘cockney mafia’ blah blah blah. Naturally Keys and Gray are grunting along in agreement.

    The man who sold Charlie ‘Insomnia’ and made Newcastle United a laughing stock with his foul mouthed rants and ludicrous public statements, said the following in an interview on TalkSport – I nearly choked when I read Keys’ ridiculous opening line;

    Richard Keys

    “I’m sure that Geordie fans would like to say ‘well done’, you didn’t get quite the credit you deserved for laying the foundations for sorting that mess out”.

    Joe (JFK) Kinnnear

    “As you say, if it wasn’t for ill health I honestly believe that I would still be there now, I went in at a difficult time when we were third bottom. After I sorted a lot of the problems out… the problem was that Mike Ashley was trying to sell the club, I realised we needed extra players, as they have done today, but I never had the opportunity to do that so I had to work with what we had, even though it was a half decent side.

    I thought I was doing exceptionally well, we got up to twelfth place then went up to West Brom and I had my second heart attack”.

    Obviously it is rude to let the truth get in the way of such a good ‘story’ but I think it is our public duty.

    Amongst the ‘facts’ JFK gets wrong is that Newcastle were actually 19th in the table and not 18th when he took over, then heading into that West Brom match NUFC were 15th and not 12th. Plus of course he misses the fact that we may not technically have been in the bottom there when he took ill but we were only above it by the skin of our teeth.

    In 21 matches Kinnear was in charge, Newcastle only won 4 matches and before he took ill United had only taken 2 points out of the last 18. He was laying foundations alright, only problem was that we were moving into a house in the Championship!

    The man is deluded.

  • 279 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    “This month, my new team AC Milan will be playing against Barca in Champions League while Man City will be playing PS3 at home.”

    -Balotelli

    Kinda miss the bloke!! :-)

  • 280 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    @Tsunki

    I’m just weighing people up at the moment and I sense already Kets is a one off in the nicest sense of the phrase. :-D

    My admiration of dreamboat is rational, based on what I’ve seen and not dreaming like some of the crew on this boat.

    Mind, I must admit his clean cut facial features and French accent puts him down as world class when it comes to looks.

    I’m not convinced by your Obertan viewpoint. He had great players around him at Man Utd and he couldn’t cut it there.

    Gouffran already looks a more dangerous player.

  • 281 Tsunki // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    I think JFK should have Newcastle airport named after him. Oh…wait….

  • 282 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Troy – Shouldn’t take you too long to weigh people up on here mate!

    Ibiza = Our resident ITK on all things Spanish!

  • 283 ONLINE GUY // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Torq

    Re@ Balotelli… Did he put the city of Manchester down as he departed ?..and something about driver’s ? I heard snippet’s of that ilk ..Mind , last time I was in Manchester I though, what dump of a city center, ..what a mismash of a place. yuk !

  • 284 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    @ Tsunki

    Was it you that cracked the suduko joke this morning? Oh dear :-D

  • 285 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    And munster,

    I’ll have to agree to disagree about Pardew instructing us to play it long from the back.

    I’v never witnessed what you say in all honesty. I’v just witnessed Williamson and simpson wanting rid. And aye Krul aswell but he was hammered by Pardew for it. Colo, and Santon i’v seen playing the ball out often looking to play football. Pardew wouldn’t set us up to play longball it would be the death of him. Im sure John Carver thinks the same.

    Got to come off here for a bit, few beers in for the match tnite.

    Have a pleasant evening lads.

  • 286 ichrisho // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    @Torq – I got my Sissoko top yesterday… Vive Le France and thats from a proud IrishMan… lets hope their’s no handball in this game!!!! :)

  • 287 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Online –

    When first asked what he will miss, Balotelli replied: “Good things? Only when I get to Carrington to train, so my team-mates and manager. Bad things? Everything else – press, weather, food, the way you drive.”

  • 288 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    Torq….Why am I singled out, does my ITK status not come across naturally to people?

  • 289 Tsunki // Feb 6, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Troy – I can see Gouffran is a different thing altogether from obertan all right, I giggled like a girl when he did a step over dummy and ran on at Villa and shouted something like ‘ when was the last time you saw a player I’m a black and white shirt do those?’ Even though I was alone at the time :) I think Obertan has quick passing and is good at close quarter play with someone technically good. Will concede he can dribble, kick and run past or cross though :(

  • 290 ichrisho // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    Here’s the link to that stupid tw@t Kinnear…

    http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/richard-keys-and-andy-gray/130206/kinnear-tottenham-wimbledon-and-newcastle-191086?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+KeysandGray+(Podcast+-+Show+-+Keys+and+Gray)

  • 291 ichrisho // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Played PES last night with new signings and Sissoko is a virtual beast… 1.8m – has to be best buy since cabaye… (that rhymes…)

  • 292 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Yeah, it’s a no brainer that we have better players than Man Utd apart from our strikeforce. We only have Cisse who’s a better finisher than Van Persie and Rooney.

  • 293 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    Ichrisho – As a rule I generally don’t get a name on the back of shirts – but I could make an exception for ‘The Mousse’ !

    A hour or so to go and start heading to the stadium.

    Bringing a big potato sack with me so if there’s 1 particular player anybody needs me to bring back and ‘store’ until the summer – let me know! :-)

    Lloris (c) –
    Sagna, Koscielny, Sakho, Evra
    Cabaye, Matuidi Valbuena, Ribery
    Sissoko
    Benzema

  • 294 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Ibiza – Not that at all…just helping Troy find his feet!

    You are nothing less than an Oracle!

  • 295 Tsunki // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Yes Troy I take the blame for the sudoku crack. If it wasn’t about an hour after the original typo it might have weathered better :D

  • 296 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Torq….Amazing what a bit of flattery does :)

    Are you attending the France game tonight?

    Wouldn’t mind you bringing Cayabe and Sissoko with you…they look pretty decent, you heard it here first, those two are going places and we should snap them up a.s.a.p.

    Troy….They’re at the bottom of your legs.

  • 297 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Ibiza – Yes sir. I was invited along by a friend who has a box there. Very fortunate,

    Cabaye and Sissoko you say???

    Never heard of them!! But will keep an eye out…! :-)

  • 298 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    Torq…Stick with me mate, I’ll keep you in the know buddy. Enjoy the game, you lucky **”^&*”^&^”(!!!

  • 299 ONLINE GUY // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    Torq

    I remember living just outside Manchester . (Spotland) .I was at Rochdale football club for a short time ..Used to get the train back home from Rochdale station Via Halifax then changing at Leeds ..Rochdale was in some kind of Oklahoma dust/rain bowl ! Always seemed to be raining waiting for my train.., but fine rain that soaked you to the skin ..really… It swirled round you ,Off on a tangent there Torq ..Sorry !

  • 300 TorqToon // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Ibiza – You call me ‘mate’, ‘Buddy’ and *Expletive* all in one sentence…

    That’s quite a feat, sir ! :-)

  • 301 ONLINE GUY // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Torq

    Wonder, could you bring back 2 players ? Ribery..& Benzema …Thank’s in advance.

  • 302 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    Torq…I think I can do better, but we’ll save that excitement for another day.

  • 303 Troy Stavers // Feb 6, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    I’m still shell shocked at Kets opinion of Man Utd players compared to ours.

    Please someone tell me I haven’t got his sense of humour yet! :-D

  • 304 Moat1 // Feb 6, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Get Sakho. Im watching france vs Germany. Hes amazing




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