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LLambias Wants Stability, Dutch Players – Pardew Wants Carroll

1:43 am, Friday, February 8th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 90 Comments

There was a great set of interviews in the Evening Chronicle with Derek LLambias yesterday, and with Alan Pardew’s press conference for the Spurs game yesterday afternoon, there was a lot of new news about Newcastle yesterday.

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Andy Carroll – while playing for England

And one of the things Derek LLambias talked about was that the club wants stability, and most other clubs would have sacked their manager if he had won only two games of thirteen in the league and lost ten of those games.

But not Newcastle these days, and Derek LLambias wants stability at Newcastle United:

“The club has never had stability. It needs it. This is too big a club not to have stability.” “Do we want to find ourselves in a situation when we have a manager for 15 or 20 years? Absolutely. If the manager works, we work. You cannot get any better than that. Eventually you will bring to the club what it has been crying out for. Stability is a big thing for us.”

And in earlier interviews LLambias had talked about doing business in Holland this summer, and that’s a slight change from nearly all of the transfer business we have done recently – which has been in France.

And Alan Pardew didn’t seem to agree completely with that transfer philosophy:

“That’s a view that he has – it’s not something that I personally hold. All the markets are open to us and whatever becomes available, we will take the best option we think is there.”

We’re sure that Alan Pardew will want to bring big Andy Carroll back to Newcastle in the summer, but he could be out of the price range for Newcastle, especially when there are strikers like Wilfried Bony and Ricky van Wolfswinkel who can be brought in from the continent for less money than Liverpool will want for big Andy.

We also think Liverpool will prefer to sell Andy to a club other than Newcastle, because there will be comparisons of how much Andy cost them for a paltry two and a half years after paying £35M for him in cash just over two years ago, plus the ridiculous £80K/week wages Liverpool have been paying the Geordie lad.

We may still see Andy Carroll return this summer, but we think the fee would need to be around £10M or less.

What do you think?

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90 responses so far ↓

  • 1 brian kilclines pony tail // Feb 8, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    can someone please point out where in the actual interviews it says that pardew wants carroll?
    all i can find is a bit about a source close to carrolll says he will consider his options at the end of the season.

  • 2 weg // Feb 8, 2013 at 1:57 AM

    I cannot see Carroll returning to the Toon unless he runs down his contract at Liverpool and returns on a free. Otherwise, there are always better and cheaper options on the continent.
    I would have him back though, whenever and however its possible.

  • 3 Brutooon // Feb 8, 2013 at 2:07 AM

    i would accept carroll if

    1) the transfer fee is less than 5 million
    2) his wages slashed by half

    if not, lets continue to shop in France!

  • 4 No7_Heaven // Feb 8, 2013 at 2:18 AM

    Carroll simply does not fit in with the team I imagine that will be playing next season. He’s an old-fashioned No 9 granted, but not what we will need. As Cloughie once put it “if football was meant to be played in the sky, God would have put grass there”….or something like that. We are and will be better than that.

  • 5 MacToon // Feb 8, 2013 at 2:21 AM

    Derek Llambias says

    “The club has never had stability.”

    Bit of a sweeping statement!
    Funny he only seems to “sing when we’re winning” or is it more like chirping chips.

  • 6 Greebol1892 // Feb 8, 2013 at 2:24 AM

    Ed – this is just stirring up more Carroll talk. To bring him back would be a step backwards – unless he is signed as a 3rd striker so we can finally say goodbye to Shola. We can get better strikers for a lesser fee and less wages. RVW or PEA would be MUCH better value as a 2nd striker. Cisse is still our number 1 and will come good again.

  • 7 chris_g // Feb 8, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    Ed writes:
    “And in earlier interviews LLambias had talked about doing business in Holland…”

    That’s simply not true Ed. There hasn’t been a single interview recently where Llambias has made any reference to Holland. The only recent comment he’s made about overseas markets was this one:

    “We have to explore other markets, though, which we do. We are still going to other markets.” “We keep an eye on the UK market too. British players are very expensive, which is a factor for us.”

    The only person who has mentioned Holland recently is Mark Douglas in the Journal, and I can’t see any quotes from Llambias in his article:
    http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2013/02/07/newcastle-united-s-scouts-look-to-holland-to-find-next-sissoko-61634-32761442/

    Also, as the first poster pointed out, there is nothing in that Pardew quote to suggest that he’s still interested in Andy Carroll. He was simply saying that he wouldn’t rule out bringing in British players if there was a good option out there. He was referring to the British market in general, not any one player in particular.

    Sorry Ed, but this was definitely not one of your better efforts.

  • 8 89Norcal // Feb 8, 2013 at 4:01 AM

    Maybe Pardew is trying to add another Englishman, but if anywhere we needed that toughness that English players bring in the midfield when Barton and Nolan left.

    Now that our midfield is looking solid, I don’t see us buying an English player because all we need are forwards and the ones that were available in January command far too high a price.

    Even Carroll will probably cost 10m and he’s definitely not worth that atm.

  • 9 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Feb 8, 2013 at 4:27 AM

    Don’t want Carroll back. Not value for money and also would revert to hoofball and wouldn’t fit in with the new players I don’t think.

    Ed, I love this blog and thank you massively for all your work on it but this one is extrapolated beyond all comprehension!!! Will never ever bash you but this doesn’t mention anything about Holland or Carroll!!

    This is Daily Mail ‘The Insider’ standard transfer rumours! Absolutely no foundation whatsoever that I can see- is there somewhere else he’s said something outside of these quotes?

  • 10 geordiemark // Feb 8, 2013 at 5:05 AM

    I wouldnt have carrol back at all, he forced the move when he went to liverpool we didnt push him out but when they offered stupid money and crazy wages he was off quicker then a greyhound think he burned his bridges there and then, hes only went to west ham for the money that is all like all players these days they dont do it to be loyal to one club they do it for pure greed

    Ive watched newcastle from the gorden lee days up to now seen loads of players and managers in my time. all these crazy transfer fees and stupid wages do have to stop or the game will just implode I do agree with our clubs stance on a wages cap, there is a few players who have played for the toon who I wouldnt give the time of day to and carrol is one of them

  • 11 Mychal // Feb 8, 2013 at 5:24 AM

    I’d rather see Sammy up front then bring back Carroll. Think Sammy’s pace fits the style were trying to play. If we are looking to add a Englishman to balance things out i’d love if we put in a cheeky bid for Ince :)

  • 12 Troy Stavers // Feb 8, 2013 at 5:35 AM

    Mychal

    I really believe Sammi is a long way off being ready if he’ll make it at all.

    We need a top striker this summer. Whether Carroll is the answer is a tough one.

    I personally would love to see him back but at the right price and wage.

    £12m or less and no more money than Cisse gets.

  • 13 valle // Feb 8, 2013 at 5:40 AM

    torque… You had some info on our scouting the other day which was quite interresting. Could you make a in debth post about it, where we scout and what (Names not needed unless you want to) we are after.

  • 14 jonobbad // Feb 8, 2013 at 5:42 AM

    How are you sure that ap wants Carroll. It doesn’t say it anywhere. More made up tosh, have a day off will you.

  • 15 Troy Stavers // Feb 8, 2013 at 5:42 AM

    @ Chris

    It’s likely Ed got his story from yesterday’s journal;

    NEWCASTLE United are ready to step up their efforts in Holland to recruit the next Moussa Sissoko.
    Having successfully raided the French market to bring in five new stars in the January window, Newcastle’s efforts now appear to be trained on Holland – with the club understood to be monitoring a clutch of emerging Dutch stars with a view to summer recruitment.
    United scouts watched the Dutch Under-21 team take on their Republic of Ireland counterparts yesterday and The Journal understands that Newcastle were represented at Eredivisie games over the weekend, with fixtures featuring Vitesse Arnhem, PSV Eindhoven, Zwolle and AZ Alkmaar all monitored.
    United have enjoyed success in the market recently, having lured Ajax’s Vurnon Anita to St James’ Park – and they also made an unsuccessful attempt to sign Jody Lukoki from Amsterdam in January. But now they are ready to make a concerted effort to add to their burgeoning Dutch contingent, which also features first-team goalkeeper Tim Krul.
    It appears they will return to the country in the summer with The Journal aware that exciting forward Siem de Jong (pictured below) is another of the club’s targets. That would be a sensational coup given the profile that he gained during Ajax’s Champions League run, but United insiders have been laying similar groundwork in Holland to that which has enabled them to attract the cream of the talent Ligue 1 has to offer.
    So far, Newcastle’s exhaustive attempts to cover the French market have attracted the most comment, with the club having reaped spectacular rewards in January with Yoan Gouffran, Sissoko, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa and Massadio Haïdara having been recruited along with Mathieu Debuchy.

  • 16 RedMissionBells // Feb 8, 2013 at 5:46 AM

    In my opinion, the best business we did in our entire history was the Andy Carroll transfer. The lad has not even played a full season in top flight with us and was sold for 35 million pounds. I do not know any other club that has been able to pull this off. Now that we have gotten a good deal out of Carroll, I do not see why we need to revisit the possibility of purchasing this player. There are many other strikers out there who can do a better job than Carroll. Carroll’s game is very 1 dimensional. Also, based on our current squad, Carroll will not fit into our system. Lets go into the market to purchase a striker with very good technique, speed and finishing. Why waste our time on this Carroll story? It is over.

  • 17 jimmysmith // Feb 8, 2013 at 5:46 AM

    Andy Carroll remains one of my favourite players but coming back is probably not in his interests.

    I could see him going to an Italian club, developing his technique while literally bullying centre halves and scoring majestic goals.

    I really think Carroll is one of a kind player who could really be a force to be reckoned with at the very highest level. A level above us if he manages to fulfil his potential.

  • 18 Mychal // Feb 8, 2013 at 6:09 AM

    @Troy I think the way Sammy is being used is hurting his development. Andy’s not worth more then £5m right now in my opinion. He hasn’t shown since he played for us that he can be a top striker. Liverpool will be desperate to offload him as well so there’s no reason we should overpay to bring him back.

    I think we should buy one of Aubameyang or Van Wolfswinkel then have Shola as our 3rd striker with Sammy and Campbell developing behind them.

  • 19 89Norcal // Feb 8, 2013 at 6:11 AM

    I think so too, jimmysmith. Carroll could be a beast if he wasn’t limited to headers and relied on service from his midfield. I think the prospect of a towering, powerful English striker with finishing ability would be irresistible to most people. Almost like an Ibrahimovic.

  • 20 Toon73 // Feb 8, 2013 at 6:14 AM

    Another misleading headline. Tried reading the article backwards – still no mention anywhere of Pardew stating he wants Carroll back.

    Could get 2 top line strikers in for the same price.

  • 21 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 6:42 AM

    Troy,
    12million or less for Carroll?? A hell of a lot less in my book! Given his form since leaving I wouldn’t want him unless it was under 5million, and wages of 25-30k tops. Even then I think there is better value and better fits for the club.

    If we have to buy British I’d rather take a punt on someone who has at least scored goals and stayed fit for the last 2 years. Or even a teenager, and spend the bulk of money on a foreign striker.

    Agreed on Sammi though, I’m not sure he will make it, partly through his own doing, partly through the club.

  • 22 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 6:49 AM

    Norcal,

    “Almost like an Ibrahimovich” If that is the case Bramble is almost like a Bobby Moore. Ibrahimovich has more talent in his massive hooter than Andy has. While Andy did well for us when he was here, we have moved on and he has gone backwards. I see him staying at West Ham, but for substantially less then the 17mill fee already set out in the loan deal.

  • 23 dikko750 // Feb 8, 2013 at 6:53 AM

    I don’t post that often and usually like reading the debates that go on on the forum with a great set of fans. But I’d like to stick my two pence worth in if you all don’t mind.
    I like AC, don’t think he really wanted to leave in the first place and was more pushed out the door to an extent. The money was far to good to turn down which is understandable why the club wanted him to leave. I think he was a big part of Newcastles plans until Liverpool put the ridiculous offer in.
    I would happily see AC back in the toon shirt, wheather there is any truth in this story at all, he holds the ball up well, knocks the ball on well from crosses (&hoof balls) and isn’t particularly bad with the ball at his feet. (still alot of room for improvement)
    He could give a different avenue for types of play, as much as I like Shola I’d rather see AC up front with Cisse and A.nother. We all have our starting line up at the minute but AC could be a valuable player to bring in if any attacking player comes injured or to switch it up during the game. But it all comes down to the price…… I see quotes of “I wouldn’t take him for more than 5 mil” which I think is a bit unfair on the lad. We all know what he is capable of and how well he played when he was here the last time. Also he is a lad that plays with his heart on his sleeve and would bend over backwards to see us achieve something. 10mil – 15 mil I think is a fair price. Why not?! still means we are still 15 mil up on the deal and brings a bit more ‘laughable press’ aimed towards Liverpool. Cause lets be fair we all like a good laugh at them.

  • 24 Tsunki // Feb 8, 2013 at 6:57 AM

    I agree the article is extruded beyond its credibility point but Ed churns these posts out to fuel debate and keep the conversation going and that is why the blog has massive post hits.

    The likes of jonnobad, the perennial cretin who never made a contributory comment in living memory, would do well not to crouch over the blog and pounce only occasionally to make a derogatory comment about it.

    Sorry if I insulted any cretins I’m sure there are some nice ones out there.

  • 25 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:02 AM

    Dikko,

    In your mind, what constitutes a 10-15mill striker? Someone who has scored 1 this season? A player who has missed almost half of the last 24 months injured? A player who has only looked good at the top level for 6 months of his career?

    Danny Graham has scored more and performed more consistently at the top level than Carroll. He was 5.5million.

    If Carroll had never played for us, or wasn’t a geordie, nobody on here would be interested.

  • 26 geordie@bergen_norway // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    Does anyone know the market price for Jordan Rhodes? 18 goals in 36 apps for Blackburn this season. Has yet to show his potential in the prem though…

  • 27 beddersmag // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:11 AM

    Totally agree with dikko. We need a target man option as i have given up on shola ever being consistently good. Good idea to have geordies in team and hes best target man around when fit imo. Id pay up to 12-15m if proves fitness and gets through medical.he will raise his game 20% in toon shirt and sweat blood for us

  • 28 geordie@bergen_norway // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:11 AM

    * Correction: 18 goal in 26 apps, not 36.

  • 29 sphinxhunter // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:12 AM

    Not more than 6M, and 40K/wk. So much better elsewhere.

  • 30 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    Geordie@bergen,

    I think Blackburn paid 6-7million for him, so you would probably be looking at paying 10mill, although hype has died down on him since his Huddersfield days.

  • 31 geordie@bergen_norway // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:19 AM

    @29

    Ok, then i’d rather take Shane Long at the same price :)

  • 32 dikko750 // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    @24
    yes… those are what consitutes to me a £10-15mil striker….. glad to see you read the whole of my post :/

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    I think there are target men who would be more effective elsewhere in Europe. Players who are good enough at hold up and aerial play but also much more talented that AC on the ground.

    Look at Ibrahimovich, Llorente, Gomis, etc….these are the style of player we should get to be a target man. Somebody who can win the ball in the air but also be much more effective when we want to pass it around the floor. at our worst this season 18% were long balls so 82% of the time we still need somebody to play on the deck….and that was at our worst. We have played much better stuff this last 2 games.

  • 34 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    dikko

    I think for 10-15 million we were looking at players with a much better record.

    I get your point, by back at say 10 mil, still made a 25 profit on him.

    But if you sold a car worth 10k for 35k would you buy it back for 10k or would you buy a better car for 10k if it was available?

  • 35 johng5 // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    The day after we sold AC to Liverpool if anybody said 2 years later we will buy him back for 10 mil everybody would snap ya hand off for it. Dikka I agree with what ya said. If him and cisse played I could see that being a deadly partnership

  • 36 dikko750 // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    @24

    also would you rather have Remy or Carroll?

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    johng5

    The thing is though it’s not the day after we sold carroll….its 2 years after.

    In that time he went from scoring 1 in 2 for us and bullying defenses to hardly scoring for liverpool or west ham and being injured 50% of the time.

    To continue my car analogy…would you sell a good car for silly money then buy it back 2 years later when it spent half its time in the garage getting fixed with no guarantee it will ever work properly again?

  • 38 Troy Stavers // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    I don’t believe Ed deserves the criticism he’s getting bearing in mind the following article in November;

    Alan Pardew is convinced that Andy Carroll will return to play for Newcastle United despite his failure to re-sign the striker from Liverpool in the summer.

    Newcastle never came close to matching the £17 million asking price for Carroll, instead hoping his desire to come back to his native North East would force Liverpool to sell him to them for just £12 million.

    Carroll instead joined West Ham on a season’s loan with the option of a permanent switch should the club stay in the Premier League, yet Pardew seems to think the England international still wants to play for Newcastle.

    Newcastle sold their No?9 to Liverpool for a British record £35 million in January 2011, using the money to rebuild their squad, but Pardew remains a huge fan of the striker and believes he is still pining for his home city despite a successful start to life in east London.

    “He’s a Geordie and I think he misses the city, this is his home and at some point I hope he does come back here,” said Pardew, who will also welcome his former Newcastle captain Kevin Nolan back to St James’ Park on Sunday.

    “Whether that’s in my time I don’t know. I like him, I like working with him, he was brilliant for me. He’s one of the best No?9s out there.

    “There was a point in the summer when I thought we were going to get him. We were in there because he brings something different to the table to what we have got and we could probably do with another striker.

    “He’s a Liverpool player and not wanted so at some point he’s going to move permanently. I’d like to think we’ll be in the mix for that.”

    Carroll was taunted relentlessly when he came back with Liverpool last season and left the pitch looking close to tears, but Pardew insists the bond between them remains as strong as ever.

    “I’ve always stuck up for him and I still think he has a role for England,” he added. “There are times and periods in international games where an England No?9 can still be a massive threat.

    “People keep talking about the modern game, a loose No?9, the way Spain and Barcelona play, but there is still a place at the highest possible level for a player of Andy’s qualities.

    “The position we are in is because we used the money from Andy’s sale well. He was a brilliant player for us, but the fee was astronomical. We’ve used it well and we owe a great debt to him.”

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    dikko

    I wouldn’t want either now…but it terms of style and quality I’d take remy every time.

  • 40 dikko750 // Feb 8, 2013 at 7:59 AM

    @Sage

    yes I do see your point, but im looking at it more of a ‘wanting to be here’ player. The players we have brought in all seem to want to play for the club, he is another I think who does/did. We know how he plays, players like Sissoko and Cabaye can bring the best out of someone like AC. If Nolan can do it they deffo can

  • 41 Troy Stavers // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    I think the above quotes by Pardew should be read by those criticising Ed’s article.

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:01 AM

    troy

    Well put. There is truth in the AC return, well that Pards wants him, he has said it a few times since he left. I think Ed just mixed that story with another one and as quotes don’t related to both items them people have complained.

  • 43 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    @31

    I read the whole of your post, and none of what you said would make me pay 10-15million for him. If you just want a different option off the bench there are cheaper and better options to be had abroad. People on here mention Bony, he is priced at 10million, and has much more in his locker than just a target man and different option.

    If you just want a geordie, then Gary Madine from Sheff Wed is a geordie target man for much less.

    I wish Andy all the best of luck wherever he ends up, I just don’t see it being here for footballing and financial reasons.

    As for him not wanting to leave in the first place, who knows, maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. What is certain though is that he and the club have been very well rewarded financially. No one will match his current wages, except maybe QPR given their spending, and he doesn’t deserve even half on his current form, especially if he is just an impact player.

    So many reasons not to get him, so few to get him in my opinion.

  • 44 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    dikko

    I think he would struggle here in all honesty. We look set to play just one up top as we have 5 centre mids all competing for 3 spots so can’t see us going to 442 often enough to justify spending the 10-15 mil on carroll, for 5/6mil maybe as he would be good to have on the bench.

    He could be a lone striker but we don’t play with out and out wingers who whip in good crosses consistently throughout the match.

    We play with players who like to cut in and pass or shoot, they cross sometimes but not enough for andy. They could change but I think the negatives would then outweigh the positives.

    Just my opinion mind you, he could turn up and be magnificent for us but I think the odds are against him from how I see it.

  • 45 Mister Tuff // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    troy is right about Carroll I’ve found two past interviews by Percy saying he would like Carroll back.
    Whilst there may be no direct quotes from Percy stating anything about Carroll in the latest interviews, he has previously said he would like Carroll back. BBC reported it on 9.11.2012. Link:-
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20271855

    Percy made earlier similar comments as reported in the Daily Mail – in respect of an interview in the Chronicle. Link:-
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2174804/Andy-Carroll-latest-Newcastle-boss-Alan-Pardew-asks-Mike-Ashley-sign-Liverpool-striker.html#axzz2KIAx9yTG

    So do not be surprised to see him back in the summer (for at least 10 million).

  • 46 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    @35

    Remy or Carroll, in the summer, neither.

    If I had had to choose one of them at the start of January probably Remy, until he revealed everything that is bad about his character. He would be much better suited to our style of play.

    In the summer, based purely on football playing style and ability, again Remy. But like I said neither would interest me.

  • 47 dikko750 // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Fair enuff, each to there own opinion obviously. I think he would be worth another crack, but if he comes great, if not then so be it. Graham Carr seems to be doing a better job than I could ever do, so ill leave that decision down to him and maybe pards if he gets an input. Its obvious that the money he is on at the minute we couldn’t match and I agree he doesn’t deserve those sort of wages. I don’t think any player deserves that type of money, but thats another story for another time.

  • 48 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    Sage,

    I agree. It would be good to have a target man in the squad, but a target man doesn’t just have to be big. For our style of play, the lads in the middle and our wide men, they want to pass it on the deck most of the time.

    I keep seeing people say Gomis is free in the summer? If that is the case he is a huge upgrade on Shola, and a damn site cheaper than Carroll. He may not be hugely successful in the Prem, but neither has Carroll other than for 6 months.

  • 49 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    dikko

    I am with you on that. I’m sure if Carr says he has a better player in the similar mold for half the price we all know who Ashley will get, and rightly so I say.

    I think Carroll would take a wage cut to move home if I’m honest so I don’t think wages would be a huge issue.

    The club have rarely spent money on a poor player this past 2 years so I’ll trust their judgement on this.

  • 50 johng5 // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    Sage I know what u mean. There’s no saying if Carroll came back and stayed fit he could be like he was for us again. TBH I think there’s no on this earth Liverpool will sell him to us. All I’m saying is I’d have him back for right price right wages

  • 51 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    lilongwe

    Llorente was a free, juventus snapped him up.

    I know we would struggle to get that calibre of player but it shows you can get a good, international standard player who can play in the air and on the floor for a low fee or free.

    Not going to be millions around but the way our club is scouting we have a good chance to find them.

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    johng

    fair enough, I liked seeing Andy power those headers in as much as I enjoy seeing cabaye score a 25 yard strike but I just think unless he is very very cheap we can do better for our money.

  • 53 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    Sage,

    Llorente has gone to Juve? But I heard from Sunderland fans he was joining them?? ;-)

    Yeah, we have proved that if you work hard you can identify cheap talented players.

  • 54 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    lilongwe

    Yeh I know, they must have seen him in the bilbao kit and got confused thinking it was theirs. Their manager turned down falcao when he was at villa so why would he go for llorente haha.

    Only problem is we can only have 17 non English players in the squad…so we need to start identifying some relatively cheap english players too.

  • 55 TorqToon // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    If it was a choice of Carroll or Remy I would go for Carroll.

    Wouldn’t purposely go out to buy either to be honest, think there are better players at a better value.

    But Carroll has more to his game than he is perhaps given credit for, plus he wants to be here for the right reasons, Remy walked at the first sniff of money – so he can rot in the championship for all I care.

    Don’t think Liverpool will sell him to us anyway – they wouldn’t want to admit defeat an accept what they would deem an extremely low offer.

  • 56 Mister Tuff // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:31 AM

    troy is right about Carroll I’ve found two past interviews by Percy saying he would like Carroll back.
    Whilst there may be no direct quotes from Percy stating anything about Carroll in the latest interviews, he has previously said he would like Carroll back. BBC reported it on 9.11.2012. Link:-
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20271855

  • 57 Mister Tuff // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    further link re Carroll:-
    Percy made earlier similar comments as reported in the Daily Mail – in respect of an interview in the Chronicle. Link:-
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2174804/Andy-Carroll-latest-Newcastle-boss-Alan-Pardew-asks-Mike-Ashley-sign-Liverpool-striker.html#axzz2KIAx9yTG

    So do not be surprised to see him back in the summer (for at least 10 million).

  • 58 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    I’d be absolutely livid if the club spent 10million on Shola Ameobi’s replacement… unless of course that 10mill was going to be spent on somebody with actual talent and quality.

  • 59 Troy Stavers // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    I wouldn’t worry about Andy Carroll returning. The club will not pay over the odds and he would have to take a big pay cut. For that reason, I don’t see him joining us. He’s guaranteed £80k per week for the next 3 plus years.

    I don’t believe he will take a pay cut. Not many players do. Some club will be willing to pay his current wage and I’m sure that’s where he’ll end up.

  • 60 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    Morning lads,

    Im in the camp in not wanting Carroll back. I think for the money that he would cost i’d like a pacy nimble type of forward to play off Cisse. Carroll is great in the air but I struggle to find anything else that could benefit our team. I don’t count him as being amazingly talented to be honest, our dosh could be better well spent.

    I’d like a bit more pace in the team.

  • 61 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:47 AM

    On the Homegrown front, Lukaku will be classed as home grown by the end of next season. Guidetti is classed as home grown. Mbabu will be home grown when he is old enough to be named in squad, as will Abeid. If we continue to sign foreign development players at ages of 17, then they would all qualify in the future as homegrown.

    Having said that, it would be nice to get some British players, but only if they are value and improve the squad we have. Boro have some good young british players, and if they don’t come up will most likely need money in through sales.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    I think Benteke would be the ideal target man who can also play football.

    Story in BBC gossip column today he wants to leave at the end of the season so would be worth a punt in the 10-15mil mark we are quoted for Carroll

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:51 AM

    lilongwe

    Boro are run pretty well though so don’t buy or sell too much.

    I’d take george friend as a back up player, Very good left back for them but mainly a CB. He can attack and defend very well when I have seen, great against swansea too in league cup.

    He would be good as a willo replacement.

  • 64 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 8, 2013 at 8:52 AM

    Pardew deffo wants Carroll back here. Didn’t we make a 10 million bid for him in the summer? Or was this proved false?

    It was outright rejected by liverpool obviously. They wanted 18 million for him

  • 65 Troy Stavers // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    @TP

    The article I printed above suggests that. An extract;

    Newcastle never came close to matching the £17 million asking price for Carroll, instead hoping his desire to come back to his native North East would force Liverpool to sell him to them for just £12 million.

  • 66 last minute window lies // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    Article in the jornal from Lambarse, how we dont need to sell to upgrade http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2013/02/08/61634-32769492/

  • 67 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:07 AM

    Troy,

    From my memory we did lodge a bid.. it was after we failed to get de jong in. It was us and West Ham that wanted him. We were never going to pay that much or match his wages though. It was a cheeky bid if nothing else. Im sure that brendan rogers pretty much said the same. Im nearly positive he came out and said it was a shocking offer.

    But aye Pardew deffo wants him back and I think the board do aswell.

    Personally I don’t. I think it could be spent more wisely on a more all rounded talented player

  • 68 ajcrawfs // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:08 AM

    I live in Doncaster and went to see Rovers quite a few times last year and can tell you George Friend is a model pro and would be a quality back up sub. I honestly think he’ll be playing in the prem sooner rather than later

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    crawfs

    I have a few friends who rate him highly at boro.

    From what I have seen I have been very impressed, I would love him to us and they only paid 300,000 or so for him so wouldn;t be commandign 5/6 mil, more like 2/3 i’d guess.

  • 70 Mackems are from MORDOR! // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    Caroll won’t be back – When was the last time Graeme Carr was seen scouting him!!!!

  • 71 blew // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    We dont need Liverpool deadwood, they sign ours.
    Its Man U castoffs we usually sign

  • 72 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Blew,

    If it is Man Utd cast offs, then can we have Hernandez please!!

  • 73 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    Thats all i have to say about it really!

  • 74 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM

    I think we should be sticking to the european markets, why change something that aint broken where we have had a lot of success.

    I really hope he dosn’t come back here. I’d be really disappointed.

  • 75 Rotonda heights // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    Just when you think the penny has finally, finally dropped with Pardew he bleats on about getting Carroll back. WHY???

    We’ve just assembled probably the best ball playing technicians we’ve ever had at one time and he wants to go back to Carroll. Massive backward step.

    The first half of this season has been appalling hoof ball and endless defeats. Now with the French invasion we are getting it down and passing and moving and most importantly winning.

    If Carroll comes back we might as well not play Cabs, Benny, Anita, Marv, Goofy, Sissoko, MYM et al as the ball will just be sailing over their heads for 90 mins.

    How one earth have we missed A.C? Ba and Cisse have been phenomenal since he left. Even with Ba gone the only local AC we should be looking to play in future is Adam Campbell.

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    rotonda

    I agree carroll isn’t what we need. If we want a target man we need a target man who can play as well.

    Do you think with 9 outfield ball players they would still hoof it to carroll? or would they pass and build up as they have done last 2 games.

  • 77 donkeypunch // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    bony would be my first buy in the summer if not him carrol for 7-10 milion max or bentaka for 12 RVW PEA and siem de jong i really hope we dont try and sighn any of them 3. but going back to the andy carrol debate e carrol is an absolute beast when hes leading the line and really dont feel hes an impact player to play againt weak sides the guy has proved he can do it againts the big sides If you have two ok wingers who can cross a ball then your andy carrols can be just as deadly as your tecniclly gifted players but just in a diffenet way. with the right players around him and tactics andy carrol will get you 15 25 goals a season and a load of assits

  • 78 Rotonda heights // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    Torq

    You say Carroll wants to be here for the right reasons.
    He was massively found out at Liverpool. What was it 5 goals in 43 matches or something. No thanks, we’ve moved on. Dalglish was a total loon and dinosaur paying that for an old fashioned, high ball target man.

  • 79 nick_9 // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    Urgh….. I personally would hate to see Carroll back here and the money being branded about sends me into panic mode. Take a look at what we bough Arfa, sissoko, cabaye, tiote and even cisse for and then justify a potentially 10 million plus bid for Andy Carroll. It’s not so much a dig at him but more out market in general, I full support the club looking abroad because substandard english players go for big money that we simply cannot afford. Someone has already mentioned the lad but Jordan Rhodes looks an excellent player I have wanted for a while, I was intrigued what he could do at championship level and according to the ever reliable Wikipedia he has 20 goals in 28 champions appearances so he knows where the net is, he is just one of many I would prefer over Carroll. I’ve seen very little from him since he left and I imagine he felt more loved here and had more adrenaline based performances playing for us than anyone else but that doesn’t mean he would find the net again if he returned. Biggest downfall is he would just encourage high balls all the time which is a backward step in my opinion

  • 80 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    I feel if Andy Carroll wasn’t a geordie they would not even be talking about him. While he is still very well thought of at NUFC and has a lot of friends still at the club, his signing should be down to his football, nothing else. And that isn’t entirely appealing to me.

    I hope for the board and Pardews sake alike they are not going to sign him on that basis alone. Its football and his talents that need to fit in with the team of NUFC. I really don’t think he has a great deal to offer us.

  • 81 Transfer Sage // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    donkey

    Carroll has never done anything to suggest he is a 25 goal a season player though. He had a good 6 months with us in the prem and thats it for top flight.

    He has struggled at liverpool when he had players like downing to provide him with decent service. At west ham the whole team is set up around him, have nolan like we did then wingers like jarvis and taylor and even then he barely scores and is injured half the time.

    He is nowhere near as good as people think. He had a good 6 months but has done nothing but regress.

    Why sacrifice out other 9 outfield players to accomodate his style which is not successful in any top sides in european football, it’s all about skill and pace in sides, they are they main attributes you need to be successful at the top.

  • 82 TorqToon // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    Rotonda – I DON’T want Carroll back – but in HIS eyes he wants to come back for the right reasons, back home, family, friends, prepared to cut money etc,

    I don’t think he will ever come back – because if he did, it would be back up from the bench.

  • 83 county down magpie // Feb 8, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Seems to me even the most Anti Ashley clown’s out there have missed a vital couple of words…..15 to 20 years…..meaning they plan to stay that long lol On Carroll it wouldn’t be the worst signing we could make as he does have more in his locker other thsn height and power. I personally would like to see a Gary hooper, Charlie Austen, Jordan Rhodes or benteke brought in for around the same figures as AC but who could challenge Cisse and then get Campbell out on loan to a championship or spl side to further his development

  • 84 donkeypunch // Feb 8, 2013 at 10:03 AM

    i do really think you could get over 20 goals a season out of carrol but its not just goals you get with andy its his knock downs and flick on. which are just amazing .You see againt chelsea when we got sombody with hight in box guiterez we got a goal from it. but yerre ill have to agree with you Transfer Sage his form has not been good at all since he left us thats why i think it would be good if we could sighn him up now why his form is bad because we could get him on the cheap. there was a reason at the time liverppol payed 35 million for carrol admitidly it was 10 million to much at the time. but confidance can do so much for a striker and when there playing with out it i make such a big differnce to there game

  • 85 Bowzer912 // Feb 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Benteke will leave if Villa go down.Obviously. I do hope we get him as he tears defences to shreds.
    8m Benteke
    9m De Jong (who could play on the wing)
    If inevitably Colo leaves then Douglas on a free for me as Mbiwa is the pacy technical cb to replace colo and Taylor is the tough tackling one.

  • 86 woolerbill // Feb 8, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Carroll

    I can’t understand why anyone would want a plank in the middle of our class players. He is like a cart horse in the derby, we must go forward not back.

  • 87 brian kilclines pony tail // Feb 8, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    i know why liverpool paid £35 million for AC, because kenny is barmy, simple as that.
    if he had went to liverpool at £15 million I would have still said it is the best piece of business we have done as he has only played well over 6 months of top flight football.
    since then he has shown his true attributes and his stats have settle down and injuries and loss of form have kicked in I would say £10 million for an out of form striker with no evidence he will ever be a 25 goal a season striker as he has never played well over a full premier league season.
    I am not even going to mention the unrest he caused at times in the newcastle squad, funny how everyone seems to forget that, his car was blown up outside kevin nolans house. This lad was involved with some serious criminals, but yeah lets sign him, he’s obviously the shining light our children need to look up to.

  • 88 Owldman // Feb 8, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    AC wasn’t king Kennys only bad deal, Charlie Adam had a good season for Blackpool & Downing another bad deal why Liverpool let him get away with it beats me , he took over good teams & destoyed them

  • 89 JP...from The Rock // Feb 8, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    I am so sick of Andy Fcuking Carroll!! I don’t want him back he’s shite!

  • 90 Moat1 // Feb 8, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    DONT GET CARROLL THE CARROT




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