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Is Andy Carroll Worth £10M To Newcastle This Summer?

2:32 pm, Monday, February 11th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 395 Comments

One of the things Newcastle Managing Director Derek Llambias talked about during his exclusive interviews to the Evening Chronicle and Newcastle Journal last week, had to do with former striker Andy Carroll, who is on loan to West Ham for the rest of this season.

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Andy Carroll - on loan to West Ham through May

Since there is no future for him at Liverpool under manager Brendan Rodgers, the Merseyside club will try to sell him for as much as they can in the summer, but they’ll get nowhere near the £ 35M they paid Newcastle for him just over two years ago..

It looks like West Ham have first refusal – but the price is a hefty £17M, and there’s no way any club would pay that much for Andy – but he may be worth around £10M to Newcastle, but we don’t think Mike Ashley would be willing to go much higher than that.

We knew Derek LLambias had a soft spot for Andy, after he defended him after the Gatehead lad was booed off the filed last April at St. James’ Park, when we walloped Liverpool 2-0.

These are the things Derek said last week about Andy in his exclusive interview in the Evening Chronicle:

“We’ve always had a bit of a soft spot for Andy here.” “He’s a character and he’s getting older and more mature – and he’s stronger.” “It’s unlucky what has happened at West Ham. But he scored a great goal at the weekend.

“He’s still got a house up here. Andy was part and parcel of our growth.”

Newcastle will need to get another  striker in over the summer, and we’ve been linked with Ricky van Wolfswinkel of Sporting Lisbon, Wilfried Bony of Vitesse and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang of Saint Etienne.

If Newcastle could bring Andy back for say £10M – and that may be a big if – do you think he would be worth that much?

Should Newcastle Sign Andy Carroll For £10M?

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395 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ketsbaia9 // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    I don’t want Andy back at the club. We should be looking at snapping up Benteke from Villa. Him and Alderweireld are both french speaking belgium internationals and will fit in with the rest of the squad. I’d take Carrol for no more than £5m though. He’s nowhere near in the class of Demba Ba.

  • 2 robin // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Markuss you inbred what time do you have to sign on?

  • 3 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    I said no at £10m. Around £7m I think would be decent for Andy and I would expect him to perform at Newcastle. Think we’ve discussed this sometime before :)

  • 4 WWYCD // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Aye bring him home if we can imo

  • 5 bollance // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    As someone suggested the other day he would replace shola in the squad. The problem is the figures banded about we would need to pay. For just over £10m we have bought 3 French int. players in Cabaye, Debuchy & Sissoko.

    Now does it start to seem a little steep?

  • 6 WWYCD // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Who really cares about the price its not our money and it wouldn’t cripple NUFC…I like Carroll as a player (and a little bit as a bloke) plus he loves Newcastle so am a yay for the lad

  • 7 anirudh175 // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    I don’t think we should buy back carroll!!! he’s too slow…much like cisse…carroll and cisse are quite similar in their style….if we get him for 6-7 million..then take him as a reserve striker..but we surely need another proven big, strong, pacy and goal scoring striker IMO…Howay the Lads!!!!

  • 8 robin // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    What is it with these characters that moan about how much a player will cost, get a life its not your money! Repeat. I am only a Fan, I have no input into the way the club operates, it belongs to a Billionaire, who does not care about what i think or say!

  • 9 DONALDO // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Dont we get a percentage of the sell on fee, so if we pay 10 then im sure it works out at 8.

    can anyone confirm?

  • 10 sirtoongospel // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Cisse and Carroll similar in style??? Lol that’s a belter. I would have him back in place of Shola all day long by the way.

  • 11 Scottiedog // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Yep!!!! Get him in!!!
    A great plan B to have on the Bench!!!! :-)

  • 12 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    Yo…I don’t think it’s so much about caring what they spend, but for £10m what else we could buy.

    Robin….The club sees fit to pay out money to hire Pardew as manager and you moan about that.

  • 13 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    its true we have got a sell on pecentage of 10 pecent on him but i think if we were to get him back for 8 10 million of liverfool they would make sure we didnt get that pecentage back on agreeing to buy him back for that money after we ripped them of so much

  • 14 dubzy // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    No !! move on .

  • 15 rainrix // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Greetings minions, what be we discussing?

    Ah carroll again. Hm didn’t we discuss this before? ah well i’d pay 10 max for him. although even at 10 there’d still be better options that suits the players we’re got better than carroll.

    I think carrs probably out right now searching for striker targets, we ideally need 2 in at the summer. Ideally with different attributes to cisse such as pace and power which cisse lacks.

  • 16 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Still got his ‘white house’ up the road form where I live and still drops in to the local.

    wouldn’t surprise me if the mackems put a bid in for him.

  • 17 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Rainrix…And goals :) Only playing, love Cisse.

  • 18 croftus5678 // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    wth when was that survey done ? 10mil is still way too much .

  • 19 The_Toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    IN .. I would definitely bring him back to NEWCASTLE.
    1- he is local (currently we lack local players)
    2- foreign players will eventually leave after 2-3 years (andy wouldn’t unless pushed out)
    3- he is only 24

  • 20 ToonDarnSarf // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Partnering Cisse with Carroll would cause the same problems as Cisse with Ba. So he’d have to be a tactical option from the bench or as a back-up for Cisse.

    He’d try his heart out for the club I’m sure, but the wages are a problem again. Would he take a significant pay cut to play for his home club again?

  • 21 Big Pappa Cissé // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Would we even consider him if he wasn’t a Geordie ?

  • 22 rainrix // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Ibiza… You better be, that constitutes blasphemy :)

    By the looks of things cisses becoming the new scapegoat, thats fine as it protects shola and willo now they’re being phased out. Pards is gonna have to take up a fair bit of the slack though ;)

  • 23 Tommyy // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Was anyone else impressed with Tiote when he came on? He looked fired up to fight for his spot, made a couple of good challenges and pinged a few passes about.
    He has a presence that neither Anita nor Perch have, I think with Cabaye and sissoko around and in front of him he will be less isolated and will be big for us in the run in.
    All he needs is to work on his fitness injuries wise and card obviously.
    I’m not so ready to cash in on him as some, with the right players around him he can be a great asset to us.

  • 24 santonthenewmaldini // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    I am still undecided about bringing big Andy back

    10 million is a lot of money for him on his current form but he would be an upgrade on Shola !!!

    Personally i would like us to sign the following :

    Ince – 8 million
    Alderweild – 10 million
    Benteke – 12 million
    Mcguire – 3 million

    Obviously the figures could be different but i honestly think that we will spend a good amount in the summer as the money from Wonga and Television money will increase the transfer kitty and we are only 3 or 4 good quality signings from a beast squad

    Get rid of some of the dead wood and loan out all of the youngsters as well to free up room for players

    We also need to look at signing more home grown players and Tom Ince would be perfect the lad has it all he would be great on the left hand side Redmond would also be a good shout to sign as well along with that Harry Mcguire guy from Sheffield United what a defender he is going to be !!

    But if we got everyone on my list AND Carroll then that would be dreamland

  • 25 JackButler // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    With our injury record the last thing we need to do is add another player who love the treatment table

  • 26 Tim the toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Not worth the money; have you all forgotten all the trouble he had with the law! There are many more professional players available for that price – if we want a local player, I’d far rather spend the money on Ince.

  • 27 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    a striker of andy carrols dimension is hard to find these days ,he really gives a team a plan b ! im not saying hes perfect for every game but there is games this season were weve been crying out for him ! his hold up plan , heading ability , stranght , knock downs and chances created are his strengths, the fact hes a geordie and bleeds black and white, when he puts on a toon shirt he looks a different player all together he doesnt look at home being a west ham and even worse so at liverpool, he lacks confidence , i think he comes across like a bit of a hard man , but i think its been easy to see since hes left necastle hes been hurting, when he got taunted on his returns to st.james , he just looked liked he wanted to crawl into a big dark hole and hide away.
    I honestly feel if he came back hed be a different player than the one were seeing atm and at liverpool, he was a beast and he was feared so much by all cb’s when he played for us, now we have even more quaility a the club , imagine him and sissoko bossing defenses with there strength and benny boy and gouffran and benny boy tortureing defenses with their skills , i reckon cabaye would scored a few volleys with carrols knock downs lol hes a big upgrade to a kevin nolan!!
    atm the votes are pretty 50/50 but i reckon alot of the no’s are bitter because still have a sour taste in their mouth over how he left

  • 28 SuperShearer // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Would be a step back to bring back AC. BUT we need more strikers and if the price is less than £10 Million we could do a lot worse. I think his market value is no more than £8 Million but there isn’t a cat’s chance in hell Liverpool will accept that, especially from us. He’ll end up at a Stoke or West Brom for that kind of money, or Liverpool will have to loan him out again. He’s on big wages so would have to take a MASSIVE cut to come and warm our bench.

  • 29 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    if carrol was at newcastle now who would you play up top out of cisse and him.? Me pesonally i would go for carrol all day long

  • 30 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    10m for ~10 games a season?

  • 31 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    Rainrix….Honestly I am. Just disappointed as I’ve had in my dream team all season – that worked out well.

    Tommy…I thought he did pretty well when he came on as well. When Tiote is on form there aren’t many better at that enforcer role, sadly though, he’s been a shadow of his former self this season, but then again, so have many of our players. I say lets see how he does for the remaining games, but if right now I had to chose one of our top players to sell to generate cash, it would probably be him, which is sad as he was one of my favourites. However, I’m not sure if we would still carry enough of a price tag to warrant selling him?!?

  • 32 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    @donkeypunch , completely agree

  • 33 Tim the toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:21 PM

    Donkey

    If you compare AC scoring record to Cisse, he’s not even close. If you bring back AC or similar player, we will end up playing hoofball!

  • 34 gonufc (not Arf' bad) // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    @dannyboy Carroll’s “dimension”? Have you been listening to AVB a little too much?

  • 35 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    i agree thou if we can get a striker like bony for 12 million or bentake 10 million then they should be first choice. cisse never going to work in a 4 2 3 1 formation his main strengh is poaching he doesent offer much else after that even if he was to score 10 goals from now till the end of the season i would still want another streker in ahead of him

  • 36 ToonDarnSarf // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Carroll over Cisse??? Fickle bunch…

    Cisse might be going through a rough patch right now, but I’d attribute a lot of that to the lack of clarity in his role on the pitch. Hopefully he can get his mojo back with Gouffran on one side of him and Ben Arfa on the other…

  • 37 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    some games we would need cisse more to andy and vice versa , cisse gets bullied far to easily sometimes, he doesnt scare defenders anymore, unless were playing a game were plenty of chances are created and he might score one, we lack presence in the penaltly box and set plays alot of games

  • 38 JackButler // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    I think with our recent record in the transfer market there are better deals to be done than Carroll like a Bony or Wolfswinkel.

    Personally think we need a mobile striker in the Bellamy mold (without the attitude), with Carroll it will be far to easy to just play long to him

  • 39 ToonDarnSarf // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    donkeypunch – Cisse poaching? Did you see some of the goals last season? He scored from all over the place!

    As for Benteke for £10m, no chance unless Villa are relegated. Even then, I doubt it. He cost Villa £7m and he’s done very well. Then there’s also the factor that he’s only had half a season in the PL, so could be found out. I doubt his record is any better than Carroll’s was in his season for us.

  • 40 rainrix // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Sarf… Thats exactly what i was talking about scapegoating cisse. He might not be scoring but he’s getting into good positions, is playing a role in build up play and is making good runs. He took 2 players with him on saturday and gave gouffran the space to score his goal. the goals will come. Some people on here are idiots full stop :)

  • 41 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    JB…Do you think Gouffran may be able to provide the Bellamy type player we’ve been missing?

  • 42 JackButler // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    Ibiza, Maybe mate, but can’t see Pardew using him as such

  • 43 Sambo from belgium // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    @ Ketsbaia, Alderweireld is from Antwerp, so he speaks dutch :p but it is well recognised in Belgium, that flemish people speak better french then wallonian people speak dutch… Just an intermezzo :p

  • 44 Munster Mag // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    Ibiza, I put down same on the site at the w/e. I love Gouffy ( man crush developing ) and he reminds me of Bellars ( but he’s not a bellend ? )

  • 45 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Carroll is worth about 1/3rd of that 10million figure and even then I wouldn’t want that giraffe back.

  • 46 JackButler // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    It’s amazing how quickly some people have turned on Cisse, last season he was the best thing since sliced bread, scoring goals for fun and the best signing of the season.

    His form has been lacking (like most of the squad) and we have failed for most of the season to create anything for the lad, but with the additions of Sissoko and Gouffran plus with the return of HBA and Cabaye the lad will come good again.

    Yes we need another striker brought in come the summer to add more depth but Cisse is still a classy player and we need to stick with him

  • 47 ToonDarnSarf // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    rainrix – it’s known as fickleitis, and seems to afflict football fans especially. It manifests itself by making people believe that Cisse was a £30m striker at the end of last season, and now should be replaced by a guy who is injury prone and has scored about 10 goals in the last 2 years…

    Sadly, there is no cure…

  • 48 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    JB…We shall see. I don’t think we can say what Pardews plans are yet as I imagine he’s still working that out himself with all the new players in, plus the players returning from injury (who are just like new signings…. :) Sorry)

    Munster..I don’t think there is a need for the ‘?’ there. Seems a top lad and pro. Man crush away good sir.

  • 49 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    There is no way i would pay anwhere near 10 Mil for Carroll !

    I would,nt give any more than 5 Mil for him? I also think that there are much better players out there for less money?

    In Carr we trust?

  • 50 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    i think with the formation of 4 2 3 1 that we now have you need a big strong forward who can play with his back to goal whos going to battle defenders and give them a hard time this atribute is such a big thing for PL football only have to look at the diffence s taylor coming back has made to us whos willing to put any part of his body on the line to help the team look what made alan shearer such a great fooballer it was his passion and being able to fight for every ball that made him so great not his skill.

  • 51 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    @26:

    Good shout on Ince!

  • 52 rainrix // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    sarf… I find a quick clubbing round the head works wonders :)

  • 53 JackButler // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    donkeypunch

    We played that formation for the second half of last season with Ba left, Cabaye central and HBA on the right and Cisse scored for fun in it.

  • 54 Dannyo // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Why on EARTH would anyone ever in the faintest possible way have Carroll back?
    He’s been absolutely shit for almost two full seasons now and he’s as good with his feet as a donkey.
    He can head, that’s all he can do, he can put weight behind a ball and head.
    Why on earth does anyone want such a one dimensional creature in their team?

    It baffles me completely. So what if he’s a geordie?! If he’s shit, he’s shit.
    It’s as simple as that. He couldn’t do it at Liverpool, and he doesn’t hack it at West Ham where they play more of his style.

    I’d take him on a free and Simmos wages, otherwise it’s pointless.

  • 55 toon kk // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Newcastle need to move on from Carrol, what’s the point in getting a slow player back when we’re starting to get a faster team together. I know he’s great in the box but someone more tactical with pace is the way forward in my opinion.

  • 56 AwToonnufc // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Definitely not. 10 million? not even worth 5. The only reason he has a price tag like that is because the scruffy little shits paid 35. His price is based purely on that figure, not on what it should be based on, His ability and form both of which are far too low.
    I hate the argument that he is a ‘traditional striker’, Basically fits into a team who play hoof ball. I want a player who is worth the 10 million we pay, can pass, dribble and score. All things which andy doesn’t offer us. The team is completely different now to when he was here.
    We should completely wash our hands of him.
    Not to mention that he is a massive Bellend.

  • 57 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    i think the carrol debate could go on for days , he splits the nation 50/50, same for england fans and liverpool fans, i still know some lpool fans that want him at their club!
    he really seem to be like marmite , love or hate , some people label him a beast and others label him a donkey.
    but like the board have said they have a soft spot for him and so does pardew, at the end of the day they will have the final say , NOT the fans, i think carrol could possibly take a pay cut and i think we could match west hams bid for him . . . only time will tell.
    by the way has any1 checked out west hams fixture from now until the end of the season??? i was thinking about checking the odds on them going down . . .

  • 58 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    Donkey…Last season when Cisse was in his blistering form and could seem to do no wrong, we mainly played 4-3-3, which isn’t too dissimilar to the attacking set up of the 4-2-3-1 in that you rely on the two wider players to join in and support. You also have the more advance player in the middle which should help out the lone striker.

    Last season Cisse came in to a team already buzzing and full of confidence, that has not been the case this season. It’s all improving and he has shown he can still find the next recently. I expect in the next couple of games it will all start to gel even more and he will be back in the goals.

    On Alan Shearer…what made him great was that he was f***ing Alan Shearer :)

  • 59 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Dannyboy…Just checked their fixtures…doesn’t look too good for them really. As for the length of the Carroll debate…more than days, it’s already been going on in excess of 2 years :)

  • 60 rainrix // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    Danny… Have you seen villas as well? City united liverpool arsenal and chelsea still to go. Hopefully thats the end of them :)

  • 61 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Ibiza – their final fixture is at home to reading i really think that could be 17th v 18th final day battle match

  • 62 JackButler // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    The fact that Cisse isn’t scoring much isn’t as much of a worry as the fact that we have been creating very little from midfield for him. We need an in form Cabaye and HBA along with Gouffran and Sissoko

  • 63 DokToon // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    ibiza, well said on shearer, made me spit my coffee… again…

  • 64 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    rainrix – its a bit of a toss up which out of the two have worse fixtues, i think west ham shade it in terms of being unfortunate, i think villa have more winnable games , and they morale/form seems better than w.ham ,their on the up and west ham are on the down but west ham do have a 6point advantage i suppose. . .

  • 65 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Dannyboy….I can certainly see the relegation teams being decided by the last game. Should be a fair few involved by the looks of things, I am of course tipping us to not be involved by that time :)

  • 66 south coast toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    for 10 mil we could do alot lot better how much was groufon….sturridge was 12 , benteke looks better value maybe be even le fonde.. but no to carrol just dont think he be worth that much 6-7 maybe but we can get alot of player for that 5m benarfa, sissoko 2mil, toite 3 mil god what on earth do we want to pay 10 mil for carrol for just dosent seem right whats gramham carr say…

  • 67 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    im not writing of cisse or recon hes a bad player just short on confidance at the moment and he will turn it around and if a chance fell to him i would put my money more on him than andy carrol scoring it . but i would allways pick a AC ahead of cisse because of what andy carrols bring to the whole team

  • 68 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    Dok…Personally I think the club should be spending all their money on cloning Alan Shearer. Oh how I miss him.

    Sorry to keep making you waste coffee, is it straight up today? :)

  • 69 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    I don,t like the way Cisse is being put down on here either ?

    Last year he was on fire! People seem to forget that when pointing the finger; the whole team has performed under par this year in comparison to last ?

    He will come good, of that i am in no doubt?

  • 70 rainrix // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    Danny….. Yeah villa have a fair few 6 pointers although i still hope they go down. West ham i think have enough decent players to pull away but they’re still very much in the scrap.

  • 71 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    Three players we should Clone:

    Alan Shearer, Peter Beardsley and Jacky Milburn !

  • 72 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    NewExPat….Were they statements or questions? Either way….I agree or answer yes.

  • 73 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    NewExPat…Once again…agreed.

  • 74 JackButler // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Anyone else hoping that M’Biwa starts the next two EL games and stakes a claim for a place in the prem

  • 75 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    I WILL TAKE GREAT GREAT JOY IN SEEING QRP CRASHING AND BURNING WITH THEIR RICULOUS WAGES AND PANIC BUYS !!
    CANT WAIT TO SEE HYPOCRITE HARRY HOUDUNI talking out of the window of his car explaining how his cryptic magic hasnt worked this time, im usually not this cynical and evil lol but hes really annoyed me this season

  • 76 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    JB…I think he may well do just that.

    Dannyboy…I don’t think you’re alone in that thinking.

  • 77 dembademba // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Carrol scored more goals for us in 6 months in the pl than cisse has this season.

    The fact is that when big Andy was playing for us he gave everything and convinced Liverpool to pay 35 f4$*&$#ing mill for him. And we rejected 30!

    He is a hell of a player on his day and better when playing for the team he loves. Get him in. At least he has a bit of fight about him – u can’t say that about pappiss pussy cisse

  • 78 cyprus // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Ed,
    see you checked the table of our “R” season, and we have fewer points now than then. I did some checking too, I admit.
    Last 12 results were disastrous, we were actually 14th this time in 2008-9:

    0-1 1-2 1-1 1-3 0-2 1-1 0-1 0-0 0-3 3-1 0-1 0-1

    Just one win in 12!! Surely we can do better, surely.

    Legend Alan sure is no coach!! (see last 8)

  • 79 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Jackbutler – saylor has outperformed colo in the recent games , noway will pardrew drop his captain to the bench even though he deserves imo , if he stripped the captaincy of colo and gave it to cabaye it would be much easier to drop him, but hel wait for saylor to slip up before playing M’Biwa in the epl

  • 80 sirtoongospel // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Cisse scored 20 goals in 12 months, with a period of that on the wing. 20 goals in what is the equivalent now of a full season. That record stands up against most.
    Yes he is lacking confidence (understandably) and needs support, but to doubt him would be madness. We never dropped Big Al and he had leaner spells than this.
    For sure, when Cheick is back, he can play the holding role on his own, doesn’t need babysitting like Perch, and Cabaye can push forward. He was too deep against Spurs. You will have Cabaye pushing on with Sissoko and Papiss to pick out, with HBA and Gouffran in wider positions. Awesome. Cheick needs no help and the rest would pour forward when we had the ball. Cisse would score goals, of that I have no doubt. Saturday he was isolated as Cabaye and Sissoko were too far away from him and Jonas isn’t good enough

  • 81 DokToon // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    ibiza, its straight… bday is the 18th, so im taking a sabbatical from the local this week.. they are printing “have you seen this idiot” milk cartons as we speak…

  • 82 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    My God Ibiza ! We are actually agreeing on something?

    Amazing!

  • 83 dembademba // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Cisse only offers a clinical finish, but he hasn’t been doing that has he…

    Remember Carroll literally winning every aerial dual he went up for, bullying defenders, running like a mad man even tho he was slow as tractor. A proper player he was for us. He would score goals for us and be an asset to the team. Not necessarily first choice but better than ‘plan b’ I’m sure he would see that as disrespectful

  • 84 sirtoongospel // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:18 PM

    dembademba – Michael Owen was in no way a fighter, or physical, but was a devastating striker. It isn’t all about that. There are different types of striker and a squad needs them all. And for me , Papiss works harder than any other striker we have had in a long time. Up top alone he chases the back 4 constantly and gets into great positions.

    When the team get more familiar with each other, more chances will be created. Cisse will finish his fair share.

  • 85 JackButler // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    The Colo issue still rankles with me and I hope that M’Biwa stands out over the next two games. Saylor has been outstanding since his return but Colo’s attitude and lack of pace leave him vulnerable to be be dropped

  • 86 lesh // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Bring him back for £10m by all means provided he realises and accepts that he’ll not be an automatic choice to start.

    Like Cisse, Goofran and Shola, he’d have to accept that he’s part of a squad and would be played as the opposition and tactics dictate.

  • 87 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    [dembademba] totally agree

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Nothing against carroll but there are better players who are target men who can also play much better football on the ground and are quicker.

    Why go back to an injury prone player who hasn’t kicked on in the last 2 years.

    I’d much rather we move somebody else.

    No top sides in this league have a centre forward who is basically a battering ram.

  • 89 santonthenewmaldini // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Actually think Sunderland could get dragged back into the relegation scrap not just saying that cause its the mackems but I have watched them a fair few times and they are poor poor side in fact if they did not have Mignolet in goals they might be bottom of the league as he has produced some world class performances

    Just hope we have a fully fit squad against them at St James’s as we could steam roller them

  • 90 Owldman // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Dont know if Liverpool paid full wack up front for Andy.I very much doubt it, if they haven’t lets call it quits & bring Andy home provided A he dosnt expect us to pay the money he was on at Liverpool & B he dosnt disrupt the dressing room as Mark Lawrenson said on his game he is a beast , who can forget the way he destroyed Man U & Liverpool defences

  • 91 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    dembademba and donkey punch , us 3 are the minority on the comments atm , were outnumbered lol!!!

  • 92 cyprus // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    sirtoongospel,
    You are right about big Al and his lean spells, of course. Especially in his later years he’d depend a lot on pens… 2004: 28 appearances 7 goals, 05: 32-10, 00: 19-5, 97:17-2.

    CF’s are really about confidence, last year Cisse couldn’t stop scoring… though he needs another player to help this year.. gouffy?

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM

    owldman

    they did pay upfront….all confirmed by llambias.

  • 94 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Dannyboy
    the next four games could go along way to who stays up and who goes down featuring all teams that have 30 points or less

    23 Feb, 12:45 Fulham v Stoke City Craven Cottage, London
    23 Feb, 15:00 Norwich City v Everton Carrow Road, Norwich
    23 Feb, 15:00 Queens Park Rangers v Manchester United Loftus Road, London
    23 Feb, 15:00 Reading v Wigan Athletic Madejski Stadium, Reading
    23 Feb, 15:00 West Brom Albion v Sunderland The Hawthorns, West Bromwich
    23 Feb, 15:00 Arsenal v Aston Villa Emirates Stadium, London
    24 Feb, 13:30 Newcastle United v Southampton Sports Direct Arena, Newcastle
    25 Feb, 20:00 West Ham United v Tottenham Hotspur Upton Park, London

    2 Mar, 15:00 Manchester United v Norwich City Old Trafford, Manchester
    2 Mar, 15:00 Everton v Reading Goodison Park, Liverpool
    2 Mar, 15:00 Southampton v Queens Park Rangers St. Mary’s Stadium, Southampton
    2 Mar, 15:00 Stoke City v West Ham United Britannia Stadium, Stoke-on-Trent
    2 Mar, 15:00 Sunderland v Fulham Stadium of Light, Sunderland
    2 Mar, 15:00 Swansea City v Newcastle United The Liberty Stadium, Swansea
    2 Mar, 17:30 Wigan Athletic v Liverpool DW Stadium, Wigan
    4 Mar, 20:00 Aston Villa v Manchester City Villa Park, Birmingham

    9 Mar, 12:45 West Ham United v Manchester United Upton Park, London
    9 Mar, 15:00 Queens Park Rangers v Sunderland Loftus Road, London
    9 Mar, 15:00 Reading v Aston Villa Madejski Stadium, Reading
    9 Mar, 15:00 Norwich City v Southampton Carrow Road, Norwich
    9 Mar, 15:00 Newcastle United v Stoke City Sports Direct Arena, Newcastle
    9 Mar, 15:00 Manchester City v Wigan Athletic Etihad Stadium, Manchester
    10 Mar, 13:30 Fulham v Chelsea Craven Cottage, London

    16 Mar, 15:00 Aston Villa v Queens Park Rangers Villa Park, Birmingham
    16 Mar, 15:00 Chelsea v West Ham United Stamford Bridge, London
    16 Mar, 15:00 Southampton v Liverpool St. Mary’s Stadium, Southampton
    16 Mar, 15:00 Tottenham Hotspur v Fulham White Hart Lane, London
    16 Mar, 17:30 Manchester United v Reading Old Trafford, Manchester
    17 Mar, 13:30 Sunderland v Norwich City Stadium of Light, Sunderland
    17 Mar, 16:00 Wigan Athletic v Newcastle United DW Stadium, Wigan

  • 95 dannyboy // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    charlie – best to get the bets in now haha the prices will go down after those games! itl be much clearer lol

  • 96 89Norcal // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    49% want him back? I was expecting something like 10% ya 80% nay. wow.

  • 97 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Owldman – the scousers not only paid up front they paid a few grand in penalties for being late with the dosh.

  • 98 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    liverpool payed the whole 35 million upfront for andy carrol it was dereck lambais who spilt the beans about it when he was drunk in a pub and got secreatly recorded laughing about it

  • 99 cyprus // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Andy would be great, a real handful. But first we need a small, darting forward like bellamy, aguero, the racist.

  • 100 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Charlie – couldn’t help noticing your cut and paste still has sjp down as sda. :(

  • 101 sirtoongospel // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    Cyprus, yeah those figures don’t make for a prolific scorer that we all know he was! But at the end of the day he was a legend and was supported throughout. The boo boy mentality of a minority of supporters is madness. If it isn’t Cisse, it’s someone else. Even Cabaye had had it!! Beyond a joke to be honest.

    Cisse will finish the season on 15 or 16 goals. And we all agree he hasn’t been at his best, so can we not give him a break when our greatest number 9 repeatedly had seasons where he didn’t hit that many! The team performance directly impacts your CF, and the team needs to play to his strengths. Gouffran and HBA are made for Papiss. He will drag defenders away from them and we will look phenomenal. There won’t be a game we aren’t competitive in.

  • 102 dembademba // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    I do love cisse but he ain’t been cutting it. Looks lazy, WEAK, uninterested, complacent. I do think goufran would do a good job through the middle if cisse doesn’t show a bit more fight.

    We’l prob only get one striker in the summer and id like bony or aubamayang buy if we could get carrol in aswell we would look very strong indeed!

  • 103 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Tsunki
    Taken from yahoo sport website – Wonga hasn’t got to therm yet.
    Dannyboy
    Hopefully we can put some space between us and the bottom teams.

    Going to be tough but how many points would you take.
    Would like 9 but would take 7

  • 104 dembademba // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Sirtoongospel

    I don’t think cisse has been working hard, he sort of pretends he is but seems to be hiding to me, not putting himself about like a Carroll would.

    Owen was an exceptional player in his day but he can’t get a game at stoke because he is slow, can’t guarantee a goal like he used to, and doesn’t offer anything else. A bit like cisse imo but I’m certain he’l hit form again, no question, but I would rather see Carroll as he sets a standard, a bit like Saylor does at the back. Then teams would hate to play us and we’l still have plenty of flair

  • 105 89Norcal // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    It would be a shame if Cisse continued to struggle and was relegated to the bench. One of the best finishers in the world IMO, up there with David Villa. But mentally you can tell he’s shot.

    Mind you not many of his chances have been sitters, either the ball bumbled around in the box or he has to turn and score a half volley.

  • 106 cyprus // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Owen, given the opportunity cost, was by far our worst signing yet… and we’ve had some poor ones :)

  • 107 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    Trouble with having no service up top it ruins a strikers normal game, running around out of position hunting for scraps. Talking about shearer, I remember him having a lean time and trying to hold the ball up just past the halfway line, relying on lazy knock-ons and headers. Service in the last third is everything and if putting HBA and goofy in the same team works, cisse will have all the fuel he needs.

  • 108 woolerbill // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    Andy is in our past, let stay there. There are lots of tall forwards, but Andy, like shola have too long a stride, this makes them slower. Most take two strides to Andy’s one making them more flexible and maneuverable.

  • 109 ToonDarnSarf // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    I’d have him back as he offers something different. £10m if he can stay relatively fit wouldn’t be a bad thing. But there’s no way they will pay him £80kpw as well.

    He’ll try his heart out for the club too.

  • 110 cyprus // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Agreed, Tsunki

  • 111 dembademba // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Sirtoongospel

    I like cisse I really do, I just don’t think he’s got the best attitude. The grab round cashleys throat made me question him a bit tbh, he didn’t need to do it just focus on his game. Was throwing his toys out the pram a bit. N he looks weak, weaker than ba yet ba was more versatile.

    I’m sure when bennys back cisse will score ten in 5 or sumin tho, let’s hope!

  • 112 mindshaft // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    The trouble is that people on here are thinking he’s like the Carroll that played decently for a few months for the toon, he’s not even that good anymore and his lifestyle / injuries have already aged him – my west ham mates say he runs in slow motion these days – he’s finished as a prem league player at a top half team
    lucky for him he has a whopping great contract with Liverpool to cushion the blow before he has to drop down a league

  • 113 woolerbill // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    Andy is in our past, let stay there. There are lots of tall forwards, but Andy, like shola he has too long a stride, this makes them slower. Most take two strides to Andy’s one making them more flexible and maneuverable.

  • 114 dembademba // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    89 norcal
    only difference being cisse did it for 6 months. Villa has done it for 8 years or more

  • 115 joe // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    I really don’t get the animosity towards QPR and Tony Fernandes. As a fellow Malaysian I think he has done some incredible things in his career, and being Malaysian I can assure you that he is football mad and QPR are not just his plaything. We get loads of EPL coverage here (even more than you guys in the UK, we basically have the basic weekend match coverage and a different EPL talkshow or highlights programme everyday) and are very well informed about the events surrounding EPL clubs.

    Tony Fernandes decided early on that he was gonna be the owner who backed his manager to the hilt. He knows owners of other clubs who were disliked by their fans because of being tight, Or undermining the manager by not signing the manager’s first choices but signing 2nd rate players for less money, or firing managers every other month like Abromovich! It shows in his policy – whichever player Mark Hughes wanted he got, and he stuck with Mark Hughes (maybe stupidly) until he had no other choice. Now he’s doing the same with Harry Redknapp and mind you! He’s doing it with his own money! I bet most of you wouldn’t part with even a fraction of the money that he’s spent if you were the owner of Newcastle. I think if anything he’s been too nice and too eager to be a good owner that he’s taken advice from Mark Hughes who couldnt even manage an under-5’s team!

    Seriously, stop hating QPR just because they have an owner who is willing to spend. Let us not forget we were once huge spenders just like them, and we applauded and cheered the arrival of every superstar. Seems very hypocritical now to criticize that policy just because we’re under a totally opposite regime.

  • 116 sticklebricks // Feb 11, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    Yes… get him playing and scoring again then sell him back to Liverpool for £35M…?

    Presumably if that did happen we would also get some of the resale fee on the resale…?!? :-P

  • 117 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    i dont think there a hate for qpr it more the fact of harry rednapp and his track record people dont hate fernadez but peopke are concerened for the future of the club thats all when his spending 100 grand a week on average players with the very likly hood of t going down is he really in it for the long haul or is he going to just jump ship and qpr be another portsmouth

  • 118 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    NewExPat…Just got over the shock of agreeing with you myself :)

    Dok….Is this you? http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=brh5DE3MCFhTIM&tbnid=3MG-vtU_GnisOM:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fanpop.com%2Fclubs%2Ftwin-peaks%2Fimages%2F17582705%2Ftitle%2Fseen-man-photo&ei=YSQZUdOzBseRhQepj4CgDw&psig=AFQjCNHLG3jszcfkscxRRZha9bDsCMqW0g&ust=1360688609165853

  • 119 ToonDarnSarf // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    joe – there’s a big difference between our past spending and QPR’s. Fernandes may well be a big football fan, but his tactic isn’t to grow a football club, but it’s to have a football club in the PL.

    So many of their signings have been frankly obscene, not too different to the mackems a few years ago. Buying loads of PL players around 30 years old and paying them huge wages in the hope that some of them turn out to be half decent. All this for a club with 18,000 max attendance. It’s unsustainable, and if Fernandes walks away, they could end up being in the same situation as Portsmouth. Completely different to a club like Newcastle with a 52,000 ground and a fantastic history.

  • 120 89Norcal // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    dembademba

    Well Villa is older, and Cisse was a top scorer in Bundesliga. Second only to Gomez despite playing for FC Freiburg.

    He’s one of the best finishers.

  • 121 89Norcal // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    SC Freiburg*

  • 122 sirtoongospel // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Can’t believe anyone could possibly think that Carroll is a better option than Cisse.

    Carroll has at no point shown Cisse’s pedigree at scoring goals. And last season Demba Ba couldn’t hit a barn door from 6 paces second half if the season, he still had some great chances but missed them all. Does that make him a bad player? No chance. When confident Demba scores, when it’s not there he was missing. Same with Papiss. Against Reading he did the right thing for two chances and the keeper saved them. When it’s your day, you scuff them and they roll into the corner.

    But Carroll would be as an alternative to Cisse, not a replacement, as he isn’t as good.

  • 123 Shane // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    There is only one real question here,

    Can we get a better striker (not just any player, an out and out striker) than Andy Carroll for 10M THIS summer transfer window?

    I’d like to think we can but perhaps the reality is no, we cant. In which case, do we then take a punt on a cheaper *unknown striker from across the water or in fact do we take an almost similar gamble and put another 5M on top of that and spend around 15M on a decent proven well-known striker who will also demand much higer wages…

    From a business perspective you’d choose the former and at present that is how we are run.

    its a tricky one, Carroll can bring something to our team and at 10M I might say yes but only at a reduced wage. However, I’d also love to bring in yet another bargain superstar but its always a bit of a gamble whether they will in fact make it in the premier league. Putting 15M+ for a player would be my least favoured choice if I were running the club unless I were playing a football management game of course.

  • 124 Shane // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    * I use the term unknown loosely.

  • 125 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    Nahhh – we ‘ates them ‘oopses, they stole our Remy from us. It was the fat-faced one, ‘e ‘ates us, wants to see us go down, ‘e does…..

  • 126 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    I come here as fast as I can , Where’s the Penguin ?

    Im here to cause trouble today ..If I see any stupid comments you lot are going to get it ..so watch it you bunch of reprobate’s……

    Sings…Tip toe through the Fullwell , with your handbag , and your water pistol, tip toe through the Fullwell with me …..Whistle…..Now scream.

  • 127 joe // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    ToonDarnSarf

    Trust me it’s every Malaysian’s dream to be involved at any capacity in the EPL and if we can’t play in it, I can see why some of the richer folk would get involved by buying a club instead. So I won’t deny that his tactic is indeed to have a football club in the EPL.

    But it was not his policy to buy underachieving past it 30 yr old players on big wages, and never has been. His policy was to back his manager to the hilt, and if Mark Hughes said he wanted Paul Scholes trust me he would have got Paul Scholes, even on 200g/week. If he said he wanted an unknown French player for 1000 quid he would have got that player too.

    I believe his only mistake was to be too nice and wanting to be popular with everyone, and ending up pleasing no one. The chairmen of the most successful clubs and businesses are mostly a*seholes, and he might benefit from not caring about being unpopular.

  • 128 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    Personally I think we should pay £35m for Carroll, it seems fair.

  • 129 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    I also think Pardew should get a knighthood.

  • 130 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    Last but not least….Mike Williamson must be due a call up to the England squad.

    Right then OnlineGuy…Bring it :)

  • 131 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Ibiza ..I’m not tangling with you ..Not without my Skateboard and my shotgun…

  • 132 ToonDarnSarf // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    joe – I don’t think Fernandes is a bad person. I just don’t think he’s the right person to run a football club. Or at least he needed to ensure that he had someone that he trusts to guide him. The sad thing for QPR fans is that if/when Fernandes gets bored of QPR, they will plummet down the leagues in administration faster than Dirty Arry can say “tax loophole”.

    Upfront, they have Johnson, Bothroyd and Zamora . All 30+, all have been around the England squad, all on big money. All have done nothing for QPR. How about Bosingwa, Park, SWP, Hoilett, Ferdinand, Cisse, Barton, Onuoha, Green, Young. Any idiot could pick that lot and decide that they would have made a decent PL team when they were all at their peak. But none of them are. And they’re on stupid wages.

    It will be sad for the fans when QPR get dragged through the smelly stuff, but it will almost certainly happen, and although blame will be placed on their managers, the person in charge made the decisions.

  • 133 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    Well then ..I now think we have one Hell of a team ..and a really strong bench..we should now concentrate on playing our football in the opps’ half ..Give them the worry ..HBA is scary.

  • 134 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Online…Too silly or not silly enough? I don’t have a skateboard or shotgun, but can loan you a surfboard and a spud gun?

  • 135 Bowzer912 // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    @dembademba I totally agree with you,he always gave 100% like Stevie Taylor and if Cisse isn’t scoring then you can rely on him to bang them in for the lads. Must be a dream to play for your hometown club infront of 52 thousand Geordies. I’m sure he’d take a pay cut.
    Carroll-7m
    Douglas-free
    More youngsters for the development squad and more 19-23 year olds like Bigi to play Cup and Europa who can get on the bench and push for starting 11 when players are out of form.
    HWTL

  • 136 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    Online…The team is looking really good now, on paper and in practice. Still some work to be done, but the defense is looking a lot more solid than it was which should allow the attackers to do just that. Can’t wait to see Benny back.

  • 137 ToonDarnSarf // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    joe – the closest comparison to QPR in recent years would be Portsmouth and Fulham. Both relatively small clubs for the PL. Fulham signed a few quality players to supplement the squad that got them promoted to the PL, and they’re doing alright now. Portsmouth tried the scattergun approach (oh yeah, under Dirty Arry), and look what happened to them…

  • 138 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    good points on getting andy carrol back 1 he will bleed black and white for nufc 2 will make us much more of a threat from set peaces and corner defending and attacking them 3 he allways seem to turn it on in the big games 4 you cant find players like AC no more . 5 you need a player like andy carrol because he sets the standard with his work rate 6 The bad points 1 lack of form 2 bad injury record last two years .3 price tag and wages might be too much for us .

  • 139 sirtoongospel // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Looking forward to seeing Mapou on Thursday. Will be the start of something special. Convinced he will be a star for us.

  • 140 ToonDarnSarf // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Bowzer – The problem with saying that he’d take a paycut, is that he doesn’t need to. He could stay at Liverpool and be loaned out for the rest of his contract, or some stupid club like QPR would pay him the £80kpw to sign there permanently. He’s got a fairly similar record to Remy, so there’s no reason to believe they wouldn’t…

    Sign him as an alternative to Cisse on maybe £40k or so and it might work well…

  • 141 WWYCD // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    So have we all accepted that am right and Carroll should be brought back? :D

  • 142 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Man Utd might not look good on paper player wise ..but but ..watching their midfield working their guts out to retain the ball and protect anything getting through to the defence is an education They really graft in midfield. That seems to be the key to their Success. Anything that does get through the midfield is rushed and haphazard, and the defence clean up . Simples..Real hard graft in Midfield though . Then they have the Strikers of course ..Rooney is becoming a great Midfielder . He’s doing 2 jobs .Never thought Id say that.

    I say this because our midfield is starting to look really strong ..Happy day’s ahead methinks.

  • 143 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Yo…Accepted that you are right? Cheers mate, biggest laugh I’ve had all day :)

    Online…The determination to succeed within the Man Utd setup is extraordinary. Something that wor Kets skips past whenever he mentions Man U. Will be interesting to see what happens when Ferguson does step down.

  • 144 Twatter // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Wouldn’t have Carroll back unless we could get him for £5m.

    There’s better out there for £10m.

  • 145 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    Ibiza..mate of mine in Wyoming got bumped by a truck while jogging ..He said .. I wish Id had my Skate board and my Shotgun.!.Just the thought of him chasing the truck ..funnier than chit …He Sued the truck company as the truck had drifted off the road ….Sidewalk job…They made him offers over 5 years ..He kept knocking the offers back ..He said he would live in a cave if he had too .. legal fee’s and more..He held out and got the figure he was looking for ..$1 million dollars.

  • 146 Santon03 // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    I’m really impressed with Pochettino. He has the same squad as Adkins, but the results are so different.

  • 147 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM

    They stole our PRECIOUSSSSS! Oh alright never mind it wasn’t going anywhere even online guy couldn’t be bothered to jump on it.

    Carroll – funny how he is already doomed to league 1 just because of injury and a couple of crap managers. I still think we could find a use for him and he holds a ball up as good as anyone – he could be the new square deal shola but as has been said, with €10m burning a hole in mikes pocket he is bound to go bargain hunting. I fear Andy will not return under Pards/ Ash’s tenure.

  • 148 ash1001 // Feb 11, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    Personally I would have Andy back in a flash, 273 corners and not a goal scored from any of the them says it all, no matter who is in the box (Ba included) we do not achieve very much. usually ending with the opposition been on the attack.
    For that reason alone + his work rate and ability to win the ball in the air, are good enough for me., and at 10 million thats good business.

  • 149 WWYCD // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Ibiza
    Haha cheeky sod!

    Still my opinion is bring him home, didn’t want him to leave in the first place so I’d be happy to have him back. Financials are someones else job am a fan not an accountant. Lads a good player (on the way to being great in a NUFC shirt), worked his backside off, trained hard, offers something different, has a fine left boot, can head a ball, bit of a headcase and he’s a geordie (which we are really lacking in our team)

  • 150 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    Twatter[There’s better out there for £10m.] only person i can think of would be bony for 12 million. RVW and PEA look far to lightweight for the premier league and havent got PL experence bentake looks ok but hes going to cost like 15 million now

  • 151 Toonbyblood // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    10 Million… I’d make a bid for Demba Ba — if he’d take the wages cut…

  • 152 yo-yo // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    If Andy Carroll at £10m is the answer I’d love to know what the question is.

    He’s had half a good season as a target man in the Prem with us .
    He has been out with injuries for half the time since.
    The other half the time he’s hardly been a major goalscoring threat,
    He’s not good enough value for money. He’d play well at Stoke where they’d target him

  • 153 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    Online…That is a funny image (the chasing, not the initial incident…well, more so). Glad he held out. I’m guessing after the incident it was handed over to the insurance companies and I take joy in anyone getting them b*st*rds for as much money as possible. Good on him.

    Something about a cave and $1m makes me think Austin Powers….does your mate have a white cat and a tendency to point his little finger to the corner of his mouth?

  • 154 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Tsunki

    I’m on something Herbal ..what did I miss me ole’ Mucker ?

    Just Joshing about the herb’s. Wor Lass is doing a salad for tea.

  • 155 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    Yo…”bit of a headcase and he’s a geordie” Don’t those two go hand in hand?

    Tsunki…I’m as gutted as you. OnlineGuy turns up, states he’s ready to have a go and then nothing. Wont take any bites. False advertising if you ask me. Small claims court?

  • 156 yo-yo // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Ibiza

    He’ll bite if you slag off Neil Young.
    But so will I

  • 157 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    Football prog on BBC radio Newcastle ..to our overseas fans listen online ..It’s all about Newcastle and Sun***land ..

  • 158 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    Who in their right mind would slag off Neil Young?

    I am a fan, but I guess if only just to get a reaction out of Online Guy…

    Anyone else think Neil Young sounds like an old woman dying?

  • 159 WWYCD // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:14 PM

    Ibiza
    Well I don’t disagree with that haha not a bad thing to be really we all have a bit of the crazies in us might as well embrace it

  • 160 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:15 PM

    Evening YO YO

    Your not wrong there mate ! NY.

  • 161 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    Ibiza ..Naughty.

  • 162 Troy Stavers // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    I would accept Carroll back for £10m and a wage on par with Cisse.

    He would flourish again at the Toon.

  • 163 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Online…I’m making amends as we speak. Live at Massey Hall is on and the guilt from my words is eating away at me. Neil has just told me to not let it bring me down, but I feel a tad helpless.

    Yo…That’s my thoughts on it, embrace the insanity. Who wants to be “normal”?

  • 164 yo-yo // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    SO we can’t even do a temporary WUM tonight ?
    Looks like peace is breaking out all over.
    PARDEW OUT :)

  • 165 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    When you hear Neil talking on TV or radio ..you hear a real deep voice , when you talk with him face to face he is totally different ..Easy going ..considerate, Quietly spoken, and does not have that deep bassy voice you will have heard via whatever medium .. It surprised me first time I ever spoke to him. My Daughters have met him ..The youngest had him Laughing a lot !

  • 166 yo-yo // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:25 PM

    Troy

    Half that

  • 167 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    Ibiza…an old man maybe ;)

    …NY is high in my book as well (remember he did just recently craft NUFC’s unofficial anthem “Walk like a Giant”!

  • 168 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:26 PM

    yo-yo…..It seems not. However, between the two of us we could generate something. Do you want to be the wum or the wumee?

    PARDEW IN! OUT! SHAKE IT ALL ABOUT!

  • 169 WWYCD // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Ibiza
    Normal people wouldn’t watch footy mate let alone Newcastle

  • 170 yo-yo // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    Online

    Did Neil have a fling with Joni as well as Dave Crosby and Graham Nash ?

  • 171 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Jespers back…quick everyone hide :)

    Just listened to Old Man, so great timing.

  • 172 yo-yo // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Sorry that reads really badly :)

  • 173 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    Ibiza

    Neil let me use the cover notes from the live at Massey Hall Gig/cd

    In fact I can use anything as long as I run it past him first…

  • 174 yo-yo // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Cinnamon = Newcastle

  • 175 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    Yo…Amen to the latter :)

    Online…Is he ticklish?

  • 176 Mancgeordie // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Don’t want Carroll back to much of a hoofball magnate would prefer in the summer to get Ince 7-8m Blackpool, Di Santo free Wigan and Mirin 3-4m Valencienne.

  • 177 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:30 PM

    Not fair to hide when I am back at last :-(

  • 178 Troy Stavers // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    @Yo Yo

    You can’t expect Carroll to comeback and accept half what Cisse gets.

    You either want him or you don’t.

    He’s still a top striker who needs a long run in the side. He’s capable but he needs to supported and believed in.

  • 179 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    Online…Use them for what? :)

  • 180 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    Jesper…It’s my way I’m afriad, treat ‘em mean, keep ‘em keen ;)

    Good to have you back.

    Troy…You big softie you.

  • 181 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Ibiza…I only thought that worked with women?

    …good to be back :-) How’s it been lately?

  • 182 WWYCD // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    Carrolls over priced at 10 mill but Ince is worth 7-8 mill? Hmmm

  • 183 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    There’s nothing I know about Neil and Joni as regard’s a fling ..I would never ask him if he **** her ..Im working with a Guy from Buffalo Springfield right now ..Got a great story about a real embarrassing/funny situation when he went up to Neil’s place in Topanga ..

  • 184 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:39 PM

    Jesper…No comment :)

    Generally the mood has been good, still a few that find it unforgivable that we lost to Spurs away, but given our amazing history of winning that is understandable.

    Today has mainly been about Carroll returning, seems pretty evenly split opinion on here.

  • 185 lordy_geordie // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    Thanks ed for advertising my dissertation.

    It is hard being a full time student, while juggling family life and work as well.

    As some of you know in my spare time I police the streets of Leicester as a special constable. Life can get rather hectic. I need data for uni by this sunday so I can get to work on writing it up.

    If any readers could get and female relatives toe much appreciated.

    As I say it is 100% anonymous and I need around another 15 participants details.

    Take care and stay safe.

    charlie x

  • 186 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    Online…What is it you do, if you don’t mind me asking?

    Always loved “for what it’s worth”.

  • 187 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Lordy…Quite a work load you have there. Good luck.

  • 188 yo-yo // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Troy

    exactly – he’s overvalued.

    He might need a run in a side but is pretty likely to get injured. I think that vulnerabiity might mean his career will be less successful overall

  • 189 Troy Stavers // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    @Ibiza

    Not a better sight than watching big Andy Carroll scoring for the Toon.
    Geordie number 9’s are beautiful to the eye man! ;-)

  • 190 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    Ibiza…Carroll back you say!

    …always a tricky one! He is a good lad, but should he cme back just because of that?

    Wouldn’t he be pricy anyway…

    Is it SOTON next? and when is the EL?

  • 191 lordy_geordie // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    Thanks Ibiza.

    I do the police because I really enjoy it. I have to do 16 hours a month voluntary. I do however average around 36 hours.

    I finish uni in may and to be honest, uni is harder. When you finish work you can relax but when you come back from a lecture you have to start thinking about your assignments.

    Only exception is the police sometimes with what we deal with you cant forget about it.

  • 192 boater // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Everyone seems to be upbeat but I am as upset about the spur’s defeat as at any time during the terrible recent run. I was a bit miffed at Pardew’s casual acceptance of the result to be honest and him pointing at Gouffran leaving as a kind of excuse for not being able to push on for a result. Gouffran’s started brightly but he’s not that good we fall apart without him.

    The problem with the Pardew Out Brigade is they all ramble on David Icke style about substitutions or playing certain players i.e. jonas, etc. whereas I don’t think Pardew has done much wrong in terms of player selection – based on availability of players. But I do think Pardew is too eager to wave the white flag when we could afford to aggressively go in search of points during games.

    I didn’t think this until this weekend, when we had the players to drive for an equaliser on Saturday in the last 30 mins. In interviews it comes across as Pards leaning on the previous 2 wins, but fans travel along way and are entitled to think the team will do everything in its power to get a result. Not sure we did that in 2nd half.

  • 193 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:50 PM

    Troy…I’m with you. I’m probably being sentimental or maybe just mental, but I was so excited to have him in the team and taking the league by storm and making his way in to the England set-up. Do I think all of that potential is gone? Absolutely not. But saying that, would he come in and be our No.9? I would welcome him back with open arms, but not sure how straight forward the deal would be.

    Jesper…It will all depend on the prices involved. If we can get him for a reasonable fee and he’s willing to take a pay cut (not setting figures but there would need to be a reduction) then I’d have no qualms with him returning. He may be limited somewhat, but he would bring a different option to the team.

    Southampton next Sunday, EL this Thursday (h) and next Thursday (a). Quietly confident on all three to be honest, but as always with football and in particular NUFC we shall see.

  • 194 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    @118:

    Jesus Ibiza, is that a mug-shot of Charles Mansten ? All he,s missing is the Shotgun in his hand !
    That bloke would scare my Mother-in-law, and that in itself would be some feat!

    In continuation to the Carroll thing, he left us once, and is becoming cotinually injury prone plus his salary is still being paid by Liverfool who just can,t wait to be rid of him !
    There is no way he would return for peanuts and the Reds want at least 17Mil for him if you believe reports?

    There are way way way much better players out there for less money!
    Maybe a swap? we pay Liverpool to take Nul Ranger, and we get Carroll for say 3Mil ! I feel the end result would be a return to the Hoof ball way in which we played before Carroll left?
    Whichever way i look at it, i think re-signing Carroll would be a mistake? Although if it does happen? It would,nt surprise me?

  • 195 check the toastie // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM

    I would just like to state, the one name i need to see on the teamsheet on Thursday above anyone else is Vurnon Anita, the lad has been badly done to for me, Pardew clearly sees him as Cabayes back-up, personally would have him in front of Tiote and Perch for every home game.

    Hope the lad gets a chance now and then. He could have been in the team the last few matches for Perch or Jonas, its great how Jonas has been given the chance in a better team even though his contribution has been dire for ages, however Anita hasnt been given same consideration.

    Gutted for the lad, only compounded by Tiote who lives on his hardman image to come straight back in over him.

    He must play Thursday, Parsnip.

    Would like to see this team Thursday, keep the momentum. Should play some good stuff with these lads.

    ………………….Elliot…………………….
    Santon…Saylor….Mbiwa….Haidara
    ……………Anita…..Tiote……………..
    ……Sissoko…Cabaye….Marv………
    …………………..Cisse…………….

    Next week, simple same team 1st half finish job off, then rest the lads 2nd half.

  • 196 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    Lordy…Police work always comes across as pretty unrewarding from where I sit. A lot of stick and not much reward, but maybe I’m missing something as I’m sure there are some really rewarding moments that you can take satisfaction from. All I can say is thank you and that I’m glad that people out there are willing to do it. Fair play.

    As for studying, I always thought it was hard work and it is, however, since running my own business, I’d love to go back to school :)

    Boater…Do you think it’s Pardews instruction to the players then that stops them going for it? All I could see is relentless attacking from Spurs and players who seemed out of ideas of how to put pressure on Spurs. It’s all well and good telling them to attack, but they couldn’t seem to get a handle on the game, not sure what Pardew could do really except try and keep them tight and focused.

  • 197 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:56 PM

    I think it says it all that only half the people want him back
    in that survey. Pretty damning and rightly so.

    We need a PEA type – a fast pacy mobile tricky striker who can play out wide. Mind you Gouffran looks an absolute steal.

    10M for Carrol is still way too much and a step backwards, although tbh it’s Pardew’s preferred style.

  • 198 darrenfletcher88 // Feb 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    I’ve read some good posts in here tonight!! Just to let u guys no. Anyways I wud love Carroll back gave his all when u was here, he saw the big wages we got paid a lot off money end of, he is a local lad hopefully he has grown up abit, just another string to a bow, 10 million is a fair price, I no it’s crazy but it’s not alot in football terms,when he’s fit and playing he’s an England international player, who wud thrive with a fit Ben Arfa,cabaye sissoko feeding him!!

  • 199 Williamsonsuks // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    http://nufc.com/2012-13html/fixtures.html
    If things go our way, we should have our 40 points by the time we play the mackems. Qpr is our second last game of the season and finally Arsenal at home. Only my optimistic side talking. :)

  • 200 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    Ibiza

    Its great to find Neil People on here ..Also ..would like to tell you what I’m Doing/do ..Because of my belief’s When I’m busy with a project, I cant say just now . Will tell you first when I’m done though…Its really Important to me that I don’t Mention..

    In the meantime.. listen to Stringman .. Really Listen.

  • 201 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    boater

    pardew needs to embrace the 3 points for a win mentality rather than trying to get 3 draws to avoid being another allardyce as there have been a lot of similarities, ie worrying too much about the opposition etc.

  • 202 Toon_4_eva // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    @192 Boater
    Completely agree with you mate. What we needed is to sort out the middle of the park as spuds were running freely in there. I thought we should have brought in Tiote at the time of Gouffy’s injury to help out the midfield. I think Perch had and OK game, but was missing the presence of Tiote. I do think we could have had something from the game if we would push a bit more.

  • 203 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Check the Toastie:

    Your the third person on here today who i completely agree with?

    Don,t believe it? Whats wrong with you all today? Peace on the Blog? Not used to this at all !

    Anita needs to play alongside Cabaye ! With Mbiwa replacing Collo in the back four on Thursday evening !
    Can someone on here please dissagree with me on here today?

  • 204 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    NewExpat…Was that the missing person pic? Just clicked the first one that came up on Google…whoops.

    On Carroll it’s all well and good Liverpool wanting £17m, but if no one will pay that, which I honestly doubt they will, then they’ll have to cut their losses. What’s the alternative loan him out, pay a share of his wages and let him leave for free? However, i would imagine they’d rather sell him to another team for £5m than let us have him for £7m.

    As for returning to hoofball, that all depends on his placing in the team. If he became the main man then it may indicate that, but I am wanting him back as a Shola replacement, a plan B, which is often needed if you require a direct route. It’s not pretty, but can be effective from time to time. But for that, I can’t see us paying too much money. All guesswork, who knows what the men upstairs actually think or are planning. The overall theme seems to be moving away from hoofball, so fingers crossed they wont deter from that.

    Check…Anita is a cracking player and has already grown so much (as a player, clearly not in height). Under normal circumstances I don’t think Perch would feature ahead of him, but I think with his tough tackling he was the right choice against Villa and earned his spot. Hopefully Pardew is managing Anita well and he doesn’t become disheartened, I expect him to have a big future in black and white.

  • 205 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    And i like the teamsheet too Check!

  • 206 OhSholaAmeobi // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:10 PM

    nahh would rather have benteke or aubameyang to be honest. carroll will fight for every ball but he’s not good with his feet.

  • 207 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Darren

    Carroll was not on the same wavelength as Benny as was shown when they briefly played together.

    He wouldn’t make the clever runs but just hold his arm aloft for the big hoof. 36M was the best business we ever did and getting Ba and Cisse to replace him was genius.

    Time to move on. Would it even arise if he wasn’t a Geordie.

    The most worrying thing is his constant injuries. Obvious upgrade on Shola but if it’s a local A.C we want then Adam Campbell is the future.

  • 208 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:13 PM

    Online…You have me intrigued. I look forward to hearing about said project. Will have a good listen to Stringman later, as to be honest, i am not familiar with it.

  • 209 BDin9 // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Charlie its St James’s park

  • 210 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    santon 03

    pochettino is brilliant. great to watch

  • 211 beefman13 // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Team for thursday.

    Elliot/harper
    Tavernier
    Hadiera
    Mbiwa
    Williamson
    Anita
    Tiote
    Obertan
    Shola
    Cisse
    Sammy

    This is the team i think Pardew will start with, he will want to keep certain players who wont get a chance in the premeiership sweet, and he will be terrified of anyone getting injured.

    Love to see Adam Campbell in the squad, think i may have mentioned this before, shola will start virtually sure of it, i just think adam deserves a chance surely, knowing our manager though, sammy will no doubt get the nod ahead of campbell, slight seniority but thats jow AP works isnt it.

    Looking forward to it, love the cup competitions.

  • 212 Carryingcoals // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Joey Barton has grabbed some media limelight and headlines in light of the Gazza situation. Pretty ironic having a go at other players for stealing publicity. A small blog on the omniscience of Joseph…

    http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=482

    – He isnt detrimental to Gazza, but his reaction is uncalled for. Check out his twitter page too. Anyway, here’s hoping Gazza improves.

  • 213 Carryingcoals // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    re toon team thursday, id go full strength. then we can rest players next week having got the win (presumably) and can prepare for vital clash with southampton a few days later….

  • 214 Graeme // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    Online / Ibiza – havent listened to Neil Young in like 20 years, had forgotten just how good he is, stringman is excellent – thank you

  • 215 gndtoon // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    —————elliot
    tavs—mbwia-willamson—hiad
    —————-tiote——————–
    —-anita—–marv—–gabby
    ————–Shola———–

    team for thursday
    bench
    fergeson–sammy—amfa—harps—campbell

  • 216 DokToon // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    thanks ibiza… though not me, i have no hair at all… but i appreciate you thinking i look like a deranged lunatic on too much narcotics…

    glad youre a friend, and not an enemy :)

  • 217 9 // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:39 PM

    Q: Corners won = 273 Goals resulting =0
    A: A big strong player who can head a ball, out-muscle centre halves and has played in premier league scoring goals. If possible (asking a bit much, I know) an England international; and (how much more do you want?)local; and (now you’re just kidding) would gladly take the requisite pay cut and bleeds black and white.

    Any ideas?

  • 218 ConsettToff // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Bit of a thought experiment here: What is the greatest Prem NUFC team that you can make?

    Obvious starter is Shearer up front, but then it gets more complicated. Would Nobby feature? Is there room for him, Ginola, and Ben Arfa? And what about Beardo? To be honest though,I;m struggling to think of the best back 4. Colo would have to be in, probably partnering Albert. And who would go in goal, Krul, Given or Pav?

    Genuinely stick on this one. As a starting point I took the 5-0 Man Utd team of 96 and looked at who I wanted to replace.

    Came up with the following:

    Given
    Barton – Colo – Albert – Jose Enrique
    HBA (or Nobby>) – Tiote – Cabs – Ginola
    Sir Les – Shearer

    Subs: Pav, S Taylor, Peacock, Beardo, Batty, Lee, Bellamy

    Only rule is they have to be based on how they were at NUFC, not over their career, i.e. Rushy, Barnes, Campbell etc are pointless.

    Thoughts?

  • 219 Graeme // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:42 PM

    gndtoon – I seriously hope the team for Thursday is a damn sight stronger than that. I thought the objective was to try and win the game??

    We are at home, its the only game we have in a week – I would expect/ hope that 90% of the team against Spuds to be starting!!

  • 220 check the toastie // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Beefman – i dread cup competitions to be fair, same old same old, Shola jogging about, his total apathy rubbing off on the rest. We should attack this competition, if we pick up an injury or two our squad should still be nowhere near getting relegated.

    Pardew whinge of the day – Why does he big up his perfect six to play, they are my superstars when fit type of craic. What must Anita think when Pardew is bigging up Tiote as a shoe in even though he has been less than great all year. No wonder the team doesnt play when he has a few injuries, he is p1ssing all the fringe players off by talking up his favorites, irrelevent of form.

    Anybody remember Anita against Man City, the boy was superb, he is the player Pardew should be building confidence too. Obertan, Marv, Mbiwa the rest of the bench and young players should be getting built up, one to put pressure on the players who currently get a shirt and two to give the fringe players a lift that they will get a chance if anyones form dips.

    Percy Parsnips thick mind games strike again.

  • 221 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    Ibiza ..

    Strangely enough ..We were discussing Neil And someone on this here page mentioned Charlie Manson earlier ..It had nothing to do with what we were talking about . Strange his name should crop up on here though…but ..but.. I have a Girlfriend .. as they say in the states…, Who Knew Charlie ., I was aware of that, .I needed to talk to her about him ..it took me about a year to get anything out of her as regard’s Charlie ..I have the full interview taped ..Give me the creeps . When She was Pregnant Charlie Manson stroked her Bump.

    Scary in the light of what happened to the Actress later on ..his Disciples doing the job .

  • 222 northernirishtoon // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    I’m really torn on the andy Carroll debate

    I read one post and I’m all for it, then I read another and I’m against it

    Can’t make me fecking mind up

  • 223 santonthenewmaldini // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Oh also I would take Franco Di Santo off Wigan’s hands!!!

    The lad has pace , skill and would play wide left or right plus if they go down he will be cheap

    Think he has also played in the UK long enough to qualify for the home grown rule?!?

  • 224 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    Graeme

    Well worth going back to mate..Kinda music that improves with age ..both ways ..The Listener, and the Artist. VV

  • 225 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:55 PM

    MY ALL TIME NEWCASTLE XI WOULD BE ————————GIVAN———————

    BARTON–WOODGATE–COLLO– ENRIQUE

    ————–CABAYE—–GAZZA————-

    HBA ————BEARDLEYS—– GINOLA

    ——————— SHEARER———————–

  • 226 Graeme // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    Online – Last time I really listened to Neil, was probably in my early 30’s, a good number of years ago, it was a solace type thing, woman issues. Really got back into it after my divorce in 2000 but very little since.

    Will have to get the kids busy on a download for my Mac lol

  • 227 seths374 // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:01 PM

    The main reason I would say yes is out of spite for Liverpool. Sure, for 25 million you can borrow him for two years and rarely use him and then send him back. Is he really worth 10 million to us, probably not. It’s been long enough that I would accept him back though. As we all know Carr can find someone better for cheaper. So ultimately I’d pass.

  • 228 ConsettToff // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:06 PM

    Donkeypunch – forgot about Woodgate. Best NUFC CB ever so long as he was fit.

    Gazza doesn’t count though as he’s not premiership.

  • 229 check the toastie // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Best Toon Team in my time of watching and my recollections of enjoying those players at that particular time of my life. Favoured 4231,

    ……………………………..Given……………………..
    Ste Watson….Woodgate….Albert…… Santon
    ………………………Batty……..Lee………………..
    ….Ben Arfa……………Asprilla……………Ginola.
    …………………………….Shearer…………………….

    Would say out of the current crop, there is more than the possibilty of Krul, Debuchy, Saylor, Mbiwa, Cabaye, Tiote, Sissoko, and maybe even Cisse, Goofy and Anita breaking into that 11, thats how good i rate our current squad and how much pressure i feel Pardew should be under to get them to reach above their potential.

    I really do think we currently have the best group of players we have ever had at our club.

  • 230 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:19 PM

    REPLACMENT FOR GAZZA theres rob lee i could put in there centre back think i replace woodgate with albert defence wise was really struggling to find who i wanted to pick warren barton was the only half dcent fullback i could think of that we have ever had

  • 231 outsidethebox // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Carryingcoals…have to agree about strong team with 10 days to recover before saints
    i would play elliott
    simpson/tav mbai saylor/collo hairdrier

    marv cabaye tiote gutti

    sissoko cisse

  • 232 Krul to be Kind // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    how can this vote be so tight, on his day the lad is unplayable and brings a lot of what we don’t have back to the table ie height, attacking the ball, strength and all round aerial ability.

    Also he wouldn’t necessarily be first choice any more and in my opinion we need a big mobile lad as an option in the squad when chasing games or seeing them out, dare I say it but he has improved his all round game whilst at west Ham with his tracking back and helping the defence when needed… llambs-arse has hit his first ever nail in the head when he suggested he had matured, and into an all rounder too!

  • 233 ConsettToff // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    I think it’s very telling that with the bunch of misfits Sir Bobby had he managed 3rd in the premiership.

    I agree, on paper, this is one of the best teams we’ve ever had. Imagine what a world class manager like Bobby would have been able to do with them today…

  • 234 Krul to be Kind // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    consettToff

    or the damage he would do by never remembering any of the french lads names!

    i jest of course, what a guy and sorely missed!

  • 235 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    check the Toastie- you obviously weren’t at the Saints where Anita gave an abysmal showing in a match that passed him and the toon by. Pardew in looking to select a balanced side factors in players who whilst not being the most technically gifted take responsibility when things are not going strictly according to plan. Take the anti Pardew blinkers off once in a while and think rationally. Jonas exemplifies the leaving everything on the pitch which was invaluable at a time when the numbers were short and there appeared to be a reluctance on the part of some players to play a high energy pressing game. With added numbers we now can be less predictable in the way we play. A more attacking 4-2-3-1 formation with more width and a different mentality, great spirit and togetherness. Why don’t you instead of constantly whinging about Pardew put your comments to him directly? Because you would then realise just how candid he is- he is nothing like the individual you imagine and write endlessly about. Your comments on Tiote are also unfair because he was also having to operate at a time when many around him were struggling, in short he was guilty of trying to do the job of others as well as his own. He looked the business in his cameo appearance at Spurs and looks a perfect along with Anita in a CM ( two some). If we are to kick on and accumulate 40+ points and next season push for a CL place we need a nucleus of quality players. This season we’ve been too dependent on Cabaye. Personally I think Pardew has been nursing Anita. For what lies ahead in the Europa and to help secure our PL safety.

  • 236 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    Good evening lads,

    No I don’t want Carroll back here. I feel our football has moved in a new direction.

    The price tag and wages would not be justified either.

    The only way I would maybe have him is for Shola’s replacement. A bench player. But he wouldn’t want that. He needs first team football the way his career has dwindled this past 2 years.

    It’s a no no for me.

    I feel if Andy wasn’t a Geordie, there wouldn’t be too much interest from our board and fans alike to be honest. I think our board should stuck to our already proven recruitment structure. No time for sentiment.

  • 237 Krul to be Kind // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Ian i agree with you on Anita, he looks a class act at times but needs more consistency and strength to be a force in the PL in the middle of the park.

    On his game he would be perfect for Tiote as a creative outlet with good game reading abilities as he likes to show for the ball which we seriously lack at times (excluding Cabaye obviously) in our midfield, he’s nowhere near Cabaye’s level of technical and game reading ability but I do think his versatility will hold him back if he doesn’t come into his own next season and take games by the scruff off the neck which I can’t see because of his slight and diminutive build.

    let the onslaught commence!

  • 238 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Ian

    By the same token do you ever take off your pro Pardew blinkers?
    Apparently not. A man with a terribly mediocre record over 13 years management is just untouchable for you.

    Even people I admire are a little flawed.

  • 239 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    ConsettToff- So what does that say for Pardew’s achievement in securing European football with a very ordinary team?

  • 240 check the toastie // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    Ian – did Jonas play at Soton, answer yes, was he abysmal answer yes, has he been for ages answer yes, pick one game why dont you, Anita plays football and thus needs like minded players around him, he would benefit no end playing with Cabaye. He could play wide right instead of Jonas, why domt you take your blinkered Jonas glasses off, he has been a waste of a shirt for a year.

    One goal and barely an assist in 12 months for an attacker, great return. pfffffffffffttttttttt.

    What a load of shit you spout. Is Jonas or Tiote really worth their place in front of the lad on form, of course not, anybody who has been to games will know that, please dont tell me you actually watch the match. Jonas must have pissed you off over the last 12 months, or are you one of the Jonas has great defensive strength brigade, he needs to the amount he gives the ball away.

  • 241 toonicle // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Not for 10M. 7-8 is as high as we should go to try and get him.

  • 242 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Rotonda- At least I speak from an informed position in that I make an effort to engage with the man. You form opinions based upon suspect
    preconceptions. Pardew answers questions from toon fans frequently starting with” Why did you……” Accusative . He sounds like a cockney wide boy you project but he can’t help that. He’s likeable unlike your Fat Sam. Who could still take the happy hammers down.
    Then you. Doubtless are hearing the same vibes.

  • 243 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    9 @ 217 – Some statistic that, especially with AP saying he wanted more of a goal threat from our centre backs!!

  • 244 Jayden // Feb 11, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Just dropped a NUFC comment on BBC re our transfer policy compared to theirs, and now receiving some sour comments about league position… They’re an odd bunch…

  • 245 Jayden // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    *About the Bindippers, obviously

  • 246 bollance // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Ian

    Inman is still scoring for fun. At least he will make it to at least championship level. Good on him as very few from our academy make that grade.

  • 247 bollance // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Anyone watching Enrique have a shocker. How the mighty have fallen

  • 248 bollance // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Ian may be able to shed some light on a post earlier. The reason we are interested in Carroll is to take the piss out of liverpool or as I would put it milk the publicity. Are we really in for him?

  • 249 Jayden // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Haven’t seen much of Inman.. Sounds like a Lampard / Nolan-esque player? Should have been sent on loan earlier.

  • 250 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Check- When we had to batten down the hatches Jonas was the man.
    My on paper starting eleven would not include Jonas but rest assured he will feature. As I said. Anita would appear alongside Tiote providing balance in the 2 of a 4-2-3-1 . We need a nucleus of good quality players. I saw Norwich away as well where we finally picked up a point- don’t knock it in the overall scheme of things. By all means ridicule my comments but at least read them and appreciate what I am actually saying. LOL

  • 251 bollance // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Jayden

    He seems to be playing on either flank. We have our goal scoring wingers in gouffran and hba

  • 252 check the toastie // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Ian Toon has had the honour of talking to Pardew, thus he can see no wrong, as he is his mate. Oh dear, oh dear oh dear, sorry for having a go at your bezzy friend

    Pardew has done better lately, but cant keep his f#cking mouth shut, which must start pissing fringe players off eventually, and his love affair with some of the squad is a little infuriating, but the most annoying thing is being told i cant have an opinion that contradicts some of his decisions because i am not being a true supporter.

    Pathetic really, the goody two shoe bunch. I support the club and team, which means if i feel we can improve i will make a point to say how, sorry if it doesnt agree with yours, Ian Toon, enjoy your next rendevous with the chief, dont drool too much.

  • 253 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:11 PM

    Bollance – Aye watching it. Suarez aint had a chance yet which would worry me if i was a WBA fan. The lad is top notch and only needs the one chance.

  • 254 LGFUAD21 // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    I was one of the people saying no about big andy coming back. And not because he left int he first place but because I didn’t feel he had enough to him as a player.

    But I’m beginning to think he could do great in our current squad.

    Cisse does t even bother challenging for balls now.

    Big andy would have enough flair around him that to have his physicality in the box would be a boon I reckon.

    The best we have seen of him since he left has been when with Gerard’s delivery which Cabaye can match these days.

    Rally think he could prosper in our team these days.

    We have Gouffran, hba and marv for all that flair. If we had a stronger man up from he would be more effective than cisse is currently.

    Problem is would pardew be able to understand not to play both of them.

    But Liverpool would never sell him back to us for that cheap, it would make them a joke to take him for 35 let us build a decent squad and then add him back into it.

  • 255 LGFUAD21 // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    If hba is fit, I’m wondering whether Pards will keep jonas in or Gouffran.

    Personally think its harsh that Marveaux had put in some great performances and he keeps jonas in.

    Understand against Tottenham but not against Southampton

  • 256 check the toastie // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Jonas is good for defending because we have loads of practice when he plays as he is forever just clearing the ball widely, totally disregard for keeping possession, the number of times he loses the ball and 2 seconds later we are stretched and defending.

    Anyway, dont want to start slagging as we are improving and Pardew has done well putting Sissoko behind Cisse and playing 4231, so we seem to be making progress.

    I truly believe he will never be the man to make this club compete at the top table, just too cautious and simply not good enough. Hope he proves me wrong though, and i wish he would just think before he opens his mouth at times.

  • 257 LGFUAD21 // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Very ordinary team?

    Look over the team we had in our first year up and you’ll see we have come on leaps and bounds.

    Our players weren’t well known when we signed them but they are internationals or on the fringes.

  • 258 LGFUAD21 // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    218ConsettToff // Feb 11, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Bit of a thought experiment here: What is the greatest Prem NUFC team that you can make?

    Obvious starter is Shearer up front, but then it gets more complicated. Would Nobby feature? Is there room for him, Ginola, and Ben Arfa? And what about Beardo? To be honest though,I;m struggling to think of the best back 4. Colo would have to be in, probably partnering Albert. And who would go in goal, Krul, Given or Pav?

    Genuinely stick on this one. As a starting point I took the 5-0 Man Utd team of 96 and looked at who I wanted to replace.

    Came up with the following:

    Given
    Barton – Colo – Albert – Jose Enrique
    HBA (or Nobby>) – Tiote – Cabs – Ginola
    Sir Les – Shearer

    Subs: Pav, S Taylor, Peacock, Beardo, Batty, Lee, Bellamy

    Only rule is they have to be based on how they were at NUFC, not over their career, i.e. Rushy, Barnes, Campbell etc are pointless.

    Thoughts?

    No cole?

  • 259 Jayden // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    A quote from a bindipper on the BBC: “Fabio Borini has his critics, but how many teams can afford to leave a player of his quality out of the starting XI?”

    …Deluded, the lot of them!

  • 260 darrenfletcher88 // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Given,

    Albert woodgate colo

    Nobby. Speed. Cabaye. Ginola
    Ben Arfa
    Big al. Tino

  • 261 Spuggy // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Check

    How come all you ever do is fight with people on here? Do you actually enjoy it? I’m so bored of your pardew hatred and Anita love affair.

  • 262 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    Check- it’s having a balanced perspective.
    Bollance- how are you? Did I read that your living in Spain!
    On Inman maybe we’ll get a fee for him! On AC I would not want him back but MA’s eyes are doubtless lighting up at the prospect of a deal at the right price. We could do with a few home grown types but would prefer Tom Ince who I like and could see him fitting in with the French crew.

  • 263 Spuggy // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    We had 3 fantastic performances without Anita. I like the guy but we’re not exactly struggling without him.

  • 264 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    Hope NUFC coaches are watching the Liverpool v WBA game. now thats how to score from a corner!

  • 265 nick_9 // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:42 PM

    Spuggy yes we have had three good performances without him but we had sissoko, gouffran and mbiwa for those games so that’s a tad unfair to use recent performances as a reason for Leaving him out. We might have even done better with him In the teams, who knows? As you can tell I’m in the camp that believes he should still be in the eleven ahead of perch or Gutierrez but perhaps more so Guti. Funnily enough I’ve just seen some stats that Anita has created the joint most chances (with santon) from open play. I don’t think he is a good DM in this league but I would certainly play him further up the field away from our box.

  • 266 Spuggy // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Nick

    I didn’t use recent performances as an excuse to leave Anita out. I’m just stating a fact. You and check go on about him but were playing really well so what’s the point in saying this player should be in the team when the team is working very well.

    If we weren’t performing fair enough. I think he’s keeping him for Europa anyway.

    Futile argument either way. Or is it just another invidious way to get at pardew.

  • 267 bollance // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Ian

    All good here in Madrid. Off to Real vs Man Utd game. Not sure who to support. I will be in the home end so will be on best behaviour. Went to away derby in home end. I don’t recommend it. It was the game where domi scored.

    The seasons is turning. There have been so many factors against us this season. There have been lots against us but also a lack of desire from some players. We had lacked fight until the French lads arrived.

    My opinion is that the current players were trusted by the board. That squad more or less got us 5th. Lots of teams then replace the stars who got them to that position. We didn’t. We sticked if u like. But obviously in jan we twisted big time. If we climb the table it is money well spent. We could even win a round or two in Europe with the extra players. Should be a good investment.

    In your battle tonight. The board have made it clear what they think about our manager. Enough said really because their decision is the casing vote.

  • 268 Graeme // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Luckypoo 0 – 2 WBA

    Oh dear, how sad lol. The bindippers are not a happy bunch lol

  • 269 Offkey // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    Agger got done for both goals………many people rave about him but I have seen two boumsong moments from him..

  • 270 bollance // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    Good chant from west brom

    ‘west bromich Albion, we know what we are’

  • 271 Offkey // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    And the ref helped Liverpool by giving them a soft penalty when Suarez dived. Good save fro the keeper like.

  • 272 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    offkey – That Lukaka is some player though. If he aint wanted at Chelsea we should defo go for him.

  • 273 donkeypunch // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    Tom Ince wont be allowed to leave blackpool for less then 9 million just another over hyped english player the championship has loads of players like that just take a look at how world claas it made adel taraat look and zaha well that was just stupid money

  • 274 bollance // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    Ian

    Good call on tom ince. Pards have been to see him play at least once which is a good omen.

    At £8m. We could sign half u21 French team for that.

  • 275 nick_9 // Feb 11, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    “Futile argument either way. Or is it just another invidious way to get at pardew”

    That’s a bit rich, can we not discuss player selection now without having an ulterior motive? The lads have done well for the last three games but Anita had done well prior, I do agree with the selection of perch to add some steel in recent games. Perhaps you don’t change a winning team but we should always be looking to improve and please don’t tell me what we have now cannot be improved upon? I think when Ben Arfa is back the only real question we have is who to pair with cabaye in midfield, Anita, tiote or perch?

  • 276 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    Bollance – pleased things are going well for you. This has been a mediocre season generally in the PL so you have to fancy Real over the two legs particularly given the relative weaknesses in Man U’s defence. As for support I usually end up supporting the English side.
    Once Sissoko has fully settled in I can see us pressing and winning the ball higher up the pitch and becoming more of an attacking force . Pardew hinted at this on saturday. My concern at present is that we have two CD’s who are ponderous and slow. Bale caused all sorts of problems once he switched to a more central role. Mind you there are few of that calibre in the PL. Yanga will doubtless be a permanent feature soon . Something to be said for playing with Coloccini as a relative sweeper and two wing backs. Nice to finally have options.
    Enjoy.

  • 277 nick_9 // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    And perhaps the centre back pairing with many calling for mbiwa now

  • 278 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Bollance— Beardsley watched Zaha a lot last season but we could not
    compete on asking price. You need to get in at Bigi stage and age!

  • 279 OhSholaAmeobi // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    We’re now 9 points and 22 goals adrift of liverpool, realistically unless they have a collapse top 10 is probably out of sight this season.

  • 280 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    We made an Official bid of £7 million for Andy Carroll in the Summer . Pardew admitted we were taking the ..Extracting the Michael….

  • 281 Offkey // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    Hotdog – admittedly, it was tidy from Lukaku, lost his man well and then did hi with his touch. Damn right I would have him up here, better option than Carroll imo.

  • 282 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    AC is not going to happen if he is priced over £9 million. And Liverpool would rather sell him to anyone but uz….imho..Stoke City are probably the real destination. Tony Pulis would love him. No worries Lad’s Liverpool are at an all time low now ..WBA showed them how to play Football this evening . Liverpool last three games 2 points outa 9 ..

    Something needs done about the Kop Cheat. You all know who he is .

  • 283 bollance // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Ian

    Thinking Man Utd will win the tie drawing on wed and winning home leg. We will see.

    The defence needs an injection of pace. Taylor for a couple of reasons should not be our 1st choice centre back because of lack of pace and injuries. With Colo one foot out the door this summer a fast centre back needs to be essential to play with MYM. Can we presume another french speaker, so either French or from an african country. There is a lot of pace and power from those options.

    The reason we are now a diffent team who finally look like scoring is that when we pick up the ball Sissoko and often Gouffran are off. Either of them are capable of one touch passing. All of a sudden we have some quality in the final third and this is all without HBA. But it does highlight Guti’s limitations. He is out of confidence and not the player from last season. Debatably he has peaked. But he is a fighter. We havent seen the last of him!

    I think it is inevitable we will sign another one or two midfielders at least. Lets hope we pick the centre half who will allow up to squeeze up teams to the half way line next season.

    Good catching up! Sure there will be more exchanges in the future.

  • 284 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    When we sold Ba to Chelsea I posted that we should of taken Lukaku as part of the deal because I was impressed with him when we played West Brom at home. In fact he tore us to bits with his pace and strength could of had a couple of goals if not for Krul

  • 285 one Tony Green // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    How anyone could leave Sir Les or Pedro or rob Lee out of the starting 11 is a joke. The class of 96 would hammer our current team.

  • 286 nufc786 // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:21 PM

    joey….. joey…….. joey…..
    http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/56217

    Barton: Celebrities Supporting Gazza Are ‘Bloodsucking Leeches’

  • 287 Alan Pas-de-clue // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    is abeid algerian or french? i thought he chose algeria, but the bbc website says hes french in their st johnstone match report, abeid played 89 mins

  • 288 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    This is the team that is going to get us climbing the table.. And it is the one to expect.

    debuchy Taylor Colo Santon

    Tiote Cabaye

    Ben Arfa Sissoko Jonas/Goofy

    Cisse

    I feel for Anita, but that is life. He is a new addition and he will battle along with the rest of them for a first team spot. Its called strength in depth. We will pick up injuries and they will all get there chances.

    This is our strongest team, and the team to expect.

  • 289 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    Now I know from experience around this time in the evening the Accountants join the blog ..and usually Kill it ..So can I make a special request ? Go play with your **ing Abacuses.

    http://www.alcula.com/calculators/abacus/

  • 290 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    ONLINE GUY – The diver did go down easy but that was a shocking decision from the ref.

    West Brom are a solid team with a threat up front. Ive been impressed with them this season.

    Having said that I don think a Premier league player should be able to go out on loan to another premier league team in the case of Lukaka. He is not even their player and his goals have helped keep WBA away from danger!

  • 291 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Charlie in the Ga….

    Right about Lakuku ..Great Striker…He might be out of our wage structure though ..that would stop any deal dead.

  • 292 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Yeah Hotdog …

    The Ref more or less was giving Liverpool the game ..Giving them a soft Pen with 10 min’s left?… Disgrace, and influenced by the Kop at that moment …Bad decision, Suarez should have been sent off ..that might cure him. Cure a few ! He comes from a culture that see’s diving as part of the game . Was fined 2 weeks wages by Brendan for admitting he’s a diver ! Did you hear/read that ? Iv never seen a softer pen .. dive .

  • 293 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Got to Scarper ..Im off !..nite.

  • 294 tequilamag // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Online.Suarez is pretty repellent. racist and a cheat but it`s a bit of a cliche to suggest that diving is an import to the noble British game. Rodney Marsh was famous for diving in the 70s long before we started importing foreign players

  • 295 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:42 PM

    Online Guy – aye its a shame because he is a class player but defo running theme here Bale, Ronaldo to name but two. I think i was the 2002 world cup when i was literally turning the TV off watching the constant dives. The only way to stop it is by giving a red or deducting points.

  • 296 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    tequilla – Cant agree mate defo foreign influence to our game. Agree on Marsh but the continental game was full of them and it has transmitted to our game and international level.

  • 297 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    When peope talk about carroll, why do they only talk about when he was here rather than how p1ss poor he’s been for the full 2 seasons since he’s left?
    £10 mil for an injury probe bench warmer whos averaging 3-4 goals a season, bargin…..

  • 298 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    tequilamag

    Suraez does come from a culture that see’s diving as part of the game ..That does not change . even if its been done here in the past ..to a lesser extent really..it has, your correct .I’m not saying or blaming him for bringing it here ..just that he comes from a place were its accepted .. Its not Accepted here..we all detest it ..Ashley young is a cheat also..Blatant Diver.. If you also have a peep at Francis Lee For Man City, you might be shocked at his antic’s in the 70’s … It did happen to a lesser extent here . slightly worse now and frowned upon. ..right I’m starting to write shite ..so I’m going off Nite !

  • 299 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    TADS – I can only go off him in a toon shirt and at times he was unplayable and a massive threat. Now its a big IF but IF we can get him at a decent price and he rediscovers that form, which he is capable of doing at his age, i personally think he would be worth the gamble.

  • 300 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Night Online – Busy day with ya abacus tomorrow ;-)

  • 301 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    Hotdog
    Why can you only go off him in a toon shirt? It was 2 years ago in a completly different team!
    Thats like saying martins was ok fir us might aswell bring him back!
    How many youngsters have burst on the scene liads of hype then fizzled out? For me thats the case for andy

  • 302 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 11, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    Tads,

    I share the same thinking. I havn’t got time for sentiment.

    We would not be interested him if he wasn’t a geordie.

    Signing players should be on there footballing attributes and I cant see many to be honest.

    Not for me.

  • 303 ONLINE GUY // Feb 11, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    Nite# Teq, Tads, Hot, Toon..

    sounds like a rock band… Night Lad’s I’m off to play some GIt.

  • 304 hotdog // Feb 11, 2013 at 11:05 PM

    TADS – Because im thinking of the player that is in there. There are a number of reasons for his poor form. He hardly played at Liverpool and was clearly not wanted and this season has been decimated with Injuries. Like i say it would be a gamble but one i would take if the deal was right, ie fee, drop in wages.

    We are in a win win as he got this club £35 million he cost nowt.

    Anyhoo mate got to go early start 2moro.

  • 305 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 11, 2013 at 11:15 PM

    Hotdog
    He played loads at liverpool when he wasnt injured, just like ge’s played for west ham when he’s not injured
    Injured being the key word there btw, as in injury prone
    As for the player thats in there, its a football pitch not group thearpy! He’s a grown man not a little boy, the move was as bigger test of character as it was ability and he’s failed miserably!
    Surely the club should be aspiring to more than a a back up plan for players who cant cut it?

    Toon prodigy
    If he wasnt a geordie would any of us look twice? Rather bring campbell through if we want a local lad in the side
    Also watched him against villa yesterday, dont know where the myth he’s good with his feet came from, is it based purely on his goal vs liverpool because i cant think of any other time he’s shown any ability on the deck!

    ONLINE
    Nite buddy

  • 306 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 11, 2013 at 11:51 PM

    Tads,

    The Toon should keep to the recruitment strategy they have in place. It is working perfectly.

    10 million to us is a lot of money, it needs to be spent wisely. I fail to see this as being wise.

    No soft spots, no sentiment, I want to see a hungry young talented striker brought in with bags full of potential for the future. Im sure we could do that with 10 million.

    Our scouting network could do alot better than Andy Carroll with that kind of money. Im postive with that.

  • 307 Brutooon // Feb 11, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    10million for a traitor?

  • 308 Big Pappa Cissé // Feb 12, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Carroll is only as good as the team around him. Guys like him are a dying breed. That is the way the game is going unfortunately.

  • 309 toonarmydownsouth // Feb 12, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    BPC
    Very true, and our team doesnt have the fit for an AC anymore no barton no nolan etc

    Toon prodigy
    Our scouting system is certainly doing well and no doubt we could bring 2-3 players better than AC for that money
    And when was the last time we spent £10 mil, cant see us doing that on a “plan b”

  • 310 gaz 44 // Feb 12, 2013 at 12:24 AM

    Just because you’ve a big guy up front doesn’t mean you have to hit it long but its there as an option.. I personally think if we are holding onto a draw or playing a team such as arsenal away where he can bully defenders or at stoke where you need players who can compete airially.. Carrol would be a great option as sometimes you o need a player who can hold the ball up for the flair players around… Noone in our squad can do the job AC does when fully fit

  • 311 Alan Pas-de-clue // Feb 12, 2013 at 12:25 AM

    what people have to realise is that even ashely will have some degree of sentiment, if he wants carroll back for a net profit of 25m plus, for a lad he likes, llambias likes, pardew likes, he may even shell out his money. ashley does own the club after all.

    whether he comes back or not does not bother me too much, but IF he does,, i would like to see everyone get behind him 100%

  • 312 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 12:40 AM

    I fail to see the logic in spending 10 million to have only an aerial threat? So we can score goals at set pieces?

    And to which, has a good chance of disturbing the quality of football we are capable of.

    Another disturbing fact is his bother with the law, great, where shipping Ranger out in the summer, bring in Carroll? lol.

    Lads, it’s not everday we have 10 million to shell out on a striker, would you’s really spend that on Carroll?

    Cmon man!

  • 313 jimmysmith // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:04 AM

    We have a moral obligation to bring him back if we can. We too often release or miss out on the best young talent in the region and Carroll is very much a very special and unique Geordie talent. Wheteher its in his interests to return is another matter entirely. Then again take wor Al as an example. So maybe it is.

  • 314 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    Jimmy,

    A moral obligation?

    He left us! To double his wages..

    Not knocking him for doing it, take it.

    But there is no moral obligation here. 52,000 geordies on his return with Liverpool suggested that.

  • 315 jimmysmith // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:13 AM

    The anti Andy Carroll sentiment is really disappointing. he’s a local lad, a really good player, and the outrageous fee pool paid for him allowed us to rebuild our side. hypothetical I know, but at 10 mill it’s a no brainier.

  • 316 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:19 AM

    @JimmySmith 314

    I agree at 10 mill its a no brainer. We should stay far away from that giraffe. Worth only 1/3rd of that.

  • 317 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    Jimmy,

    I don’t even think he was worth 10 million when we sold him.

    It only seems a bargain now because of the ridiculous fee Liverpool paid for him. For some reason Liverpool thought they were buying the future of English football.

    I would hate for Newcastle to be in a simular situation.

    How wrong they got it. He can do a job on his day and cause problems in the air, but for 10 million we could definitely do alot better in my eyes.

  • 318 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    Good morning Phoenix,

    Nightshift?

  • 319 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:31 AM

    Danny Graham 5 mill – 15 goals in 55 appearances since 2011 for Swansea

    Andy Carroll 10 mill – 8 goals in 56 appearances since leaving newcastle

    Both Local lads.

    It sure is a no brainer. Andy Carroll not worth 10mill. Pretty much half the amount of goals Graham scored, but double the price? Are you serious?. If anything he should be half Graham’s value… not double.

  • 320 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:33 AM

    @Prodigy,

    nope. Its 9:32 Am for me. Just got up about half an hour ago

  • 321 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:37 AM

    Anyways, off to walk the dog. Bye

  • 322 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    Hmm, you live in Phoenix?

    Agreed on that comparison also, Andy Carroll played in A good Liverpool team aswell. Danny Graham played for Swansea. No disrespect intended, but they are hardly a Liverpool.

  • 323 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 2:13 AM

    Nope. I’m studying over in Singapore. I believe the time over here is 7-8 hrs ahead of the UK

  • 324 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Are you from the Toon? Why singapore

  • 325 toonin // Feb 12, 2013 at 4:51 AM

    Yes, i would like to have Andy back, he’s strong, a good header, good finisher, he’s just having poor managers do not know how to place him..it’s all daglish fault, panic buy, and ruin the lad potential. One thing for sure, he’s playing with all his heart and soul for Newcastle, and that’s one big positive than others..I’d even picked him over cisse, and give back the number 9 to Andy…anyway these are just my thoughts…hwtl

  • 326 Korean Magpie // Feb 12, 2013 at 5:21 AM

    I think we should sign Gaston Ramirez instead because he looked great against us and he also has tremendous potential but he’s unhappy at Southampton and the new manager doesn’t use him much

  • 327 Offkey // Feb 12, 2013 at 5:22 AM

    @324 Surely Fat Sam is the best manager for him……….hooof

  • 328 Offkey // Feb 12, 2013 at 5:28 AM

    also, if he cant play the game on the ground (bin dipppers) and he dont score with Fat Sams hoooooof ball. What exactly does he do? and why would Pards know where to ‘place him’.

    By ‘place him’ I assume you mean stands or bench ;)

  • 329 Jail for Ashley // Feb 12, 2013 at 5:28 AM

    Just read a post from Pardew and Andy Carroll hater Rotunda who claims that because only just over half of the readers want AC back then thats pretty damning, in what way , that we should bring him back or damning that we shouldn’t, I don’t get it.

  • 330 jimmysmith // Feb 12, 2013 at 5:33 AM

    Calling Carroll a traitor for agreeing to go to a massive club like Liverpool to double his wages and secure a once in a club’s history deal for his hometown club is ludicrous. Would you have preferred he refused to go?

    He was out of place at Liverpool, by no fault of his own, had injury issues and under far too much pressure to perform.

    On the other hand, at West Ham he’s looked excellent when he’s played.

    Liverpool would never sell him back to us at 10 mill but if they did what a feather in our cap having him sold him 2 seasons before for 35.

    You get Carroll for 10 and he reproduces that half season of form for a full campaign then you’d go close to tripling your money.

  • 331 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 6:46 AM

    I think some people have their black and white tinted glasses on.

    Either that or I’v been watching a totally different Andy Carroll.

    Im staggered that over half on this blog would have him back. I genuinely don’t know one supporter outside this blog who would have him anywhere near St James Park.

    It’s rare we have a chance to get in a forward for 10 mil, Im shocked people would spend that on Andy Carroll.

    I really am.

  • 332 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 6:54 AM

    Forget the fact that he is a Geordie, forget the fact that we sold him for 35 million and forget the fact that he left us.

    Lets look at the facts.
    He scored 8 goals in 55 games Since 2011. That is hardly prolific and by no means should he be worth 10million based on that.

    Danny Graham, 15 goals in 56 games since 2011 sold for 5mill. Also born in gateshead, also a newcastle supporter.

    Do you not see anything wrong in that picture?

    If it were any other player with a goal to game ratio as poor as Andy Carroll’s. you would not be willing to pay 10mill, but because he was a Newcastle player and was sold for 35million, 10 million suddenly looks like peanuts?

    Unless Liverpool are willing to sell him for 1/10th of what they paid for him… then fine. But 10mill for a useless giraffe warming the bench is the equivalent of flushing 10million down the toilet.

    I’d rather we went after Adam Le Fondre. He atleast is worth a minimum of 10mill.

    22 Goals 56 games, thats almost triple what Andy Carroll has done…. and Adam Le Fondre plays for Reading!.

  • 333 JackButler // Feb 12, 2013 at 6:55 AM

    I don’t think that adding another injury prone player to our squad is the way to go, would much prefer a Bony or Wolfswinkel or Luuk de Jong

  • 334 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 6:56 AM

    and Adam Le Fondre is english!. Would fall under HomeGrown.

  • 335 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:01 AM

    @Prodigy

    I’m not from the Toon. Never even been there or lived in the UK. But My father is from the UK and supports the Toon. Grew up watching them.

    As for why I’m in singapore.. its because my father’s work brought him here. Was pretty much raised here.

  • 336 jimmysmith // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:06 AM

    It’s interesting how Carroll divides opinion so strongly among fans generally, whether it be us, Liverpools’, England or otherwise.

    I thought he was exhilarating for us during that half season back in the EPL. Literally unplayable at times.

    But yeah, others see him as a donkey. I don’t know of another player like him, other than Big Dunc, and c’mon he was something special.

  • 337 Graeme // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:08 AM

    At the end of the day, he just doesn’t fit our transfer profile, or the way the team now play and, on current form, he us worth nothing like £10 million.

    I’m quite certain that Mr Carr do find a far better player for the money being stated.

  • 338 Troy Stavers // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:11 AM

    @Jimmy

    He was unplayable when he was with us.

    It was a great sight watching him score.

    It would be a bit of a gamble to bring him back but at the right price I would go for it.

    He might be the perfect foil for Cisse who would feed off his knock downs.

  • 339 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:14 AM

    Jimmy – Carroll has been excellent at West Ham? Most of the West Ham fans I know would rather see Carlton Cole start most of the time.

    10million is ludicrous, Phoenix is spot on. Sentiment is blinding people here to the fact he is injury prone and has failed to do anything since leaving us. Just because we received 35million doesn’t make 10million a bargain.

    To those saying it isn’t our money so who cares how much we pay, I take it you were fine paying over the odds for players who didn’t perform in the past? The fact is we are spending sensibly and 10 million is a huge chunk of cash from our budget. Should we spend it on someone who has scored twice this season (1 less than Shola) or spend it wisely on well scouted talented players who can move the club forward?

  • 340 89Norcal // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:15 AM

    I’m siding with the “not worth it” group. Odd thing is…if AC weren’t English and was playing in some “smaller” league in the continent while experiencing this horrible dip of form, 99% of people would laugh hysterically at his former declared value and write him off completely.

    I know Liverpool have to recoup some loss, but I wouldn’t expect them to reel in much at all.

  • 341 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:16 AM

    Having said that, at 4million, and on 25k a week, I’d welcome him back as a back up option.

  • 342 Troy Stavers // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:16 AM

    @Phoenix

    Of the 55 games how many did he start?

    He wasn’t favoured at Liverpool and got 10 mins here and there. If you are going to put his stars up, be fair to the lad and show how many starting appearances he’s made.

  • 343 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:20 AM

    If we absolutely had to bring in an English Player and they absolutely had to be a Forward.

    Adam le Fondre imo would be the better option. 11 goals this season, home grown. 22 goal s in 56 games, still only 26. Premier league experienced and Proven.

    That being said, I still think there are better options out there in other leagues.

  • 344 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:27 AM

    Why are you (above) upset at Barton for this?
    http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/56217

    His point, if you want to help, do it quietly. And, let him try and recover out of the limelight, don’t parade him like a freak. Even if Barton had been wrong, which he isn’t, his heart is in the right place regarding this one.

  • 345 JackButler // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:27 AM

    We have arguably the best scouting system in the Premier League proven by the amount of quality players we have brought in over the last few years for what is very little money, so why, when we have that at our disposal would we pay 10 million for a player who is a shadow of the player we had here and who spends half his time on the treatment table?

    With Carr, we could sign a far better player for that amount of money and I’m convinced that if you were to take away the fact that Carroll is a geordie, no one would want him and would balk at the amount

  • 346 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    @Troy

    Just for liverpool, according to this website. http://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/GamesPerSeason/1231-121

    29 Starts, 3 games unused sub, 18 games came on as a sub.
    29 starts – 4 goals
    18 off the bench – 2 goals.

    Struggling to find the stats for West ham.

  • 347 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:29 AM

    Phoenix,

    Personally, I’d rather get Charlie Austin. Younger and has scored goals everywhere he has been. Came in to the pro game the hard way through non league and semi pro so he has had to work for everything and is hungry to succeed. Strong good finisher, although I’m not sure on how quick he is. I’d put him in the Rickie Lambert mould, but only 22years old.

  • 348 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:32 AM

    Still the Andy debate!? Dip in form? What are you talking about? The England forward forgot his football in 6 months?! You mean, series of injuries, not dip in form. When he is healthy, he’s always a handful, even post NUFC. And, for us, he played with his heart, an added plus. The ONLY reason he may not do is this injury thing. You guys blind?

  • 349 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:32 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie,

    I’ve honestly never heard of the lad. So I can’t really comment. But as long as he is better value then Carroll :)

  • 350 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    Cyprus,

    Aren’t you the one thats blind? Regardless of how he played for us. he has been Sh1te since leaving us. His form does not = the money asked for him.

    What it comes down to is, with recent form taken into consideration does he meet the valuation of 10 million?. Simple answer. No friggin way.

  • 351 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:36 AM

    Anyway, it’s futile talking about players we don’t have, I tend to avoid these discussions. My concern, how many of the remaining games can we win with the players we HAVE? We need 4 wins and a couple of draws and that is a tough ask, much tougher than most here think. Teams like WBA, Soton, are not pushovers, they can beat anyone in the PL on their day. I hope our players realise that they must play at the Chelsea level to have any hope. Drop a notch = lose.

  • 352 JackButler // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    cyprus

    Looking at our run in we think we will be more than capable of getting close to the top 10, with the new guys that we’ve brought in plus the return of Cabaye and the imminent return of HBA we are more than capable of beating anyone

  • 353 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:41 AM

    Phoenix,
    Maybe you are upset that he left. Which games did you see him play poorly, for West Ham? Whenever he played, he was the same Andy. His problem, I would concur, is that he never plays. And that is a real concern.

  • 354 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    Jack, I do agree, we are capable of beating anyone now, but we are also capable of losing to anyone, that’s all. I’m a half-full glass kind of guy too, but the recent ‘R” experience has taught us all a lesson: 12 cup finals coming up.

  • 355 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:45 AM

    Phoenix,

    It’s good to see a Toon fan as far a way as you. Brilliant.

    Ok, lets look at this properly.

    He is going to cost 10 mil upwards, Liverpool will not let him go for anything less. West Ham and us were quoted 18 mil just in the summer. So all the people saying they will have him for 5 or whatever it’s not really going to happen. If you have said yes in this vote you should really say no.

    The question was would you take Andy back for 10 mil.

    He won’t play well with Cisse. He needs a system like West Ham that plays to his strengths and even then he is not prolific. So our quality of football could suffer here when we get going.

    We are rumoured to have 10 mil to spend, would he really be worth that risk to back up Cisse? Or as a plan B? Or 10 mil to score from set pieces?

    Our scouting team would find a diamond with 10 mil. I’v no doubts about that.

    No time for sentiment in football, when would be the next time we get that kind of money for a centre forward? It has to be bang on, no gambles. It’s a massive fee for NUFC.

  • 356 Tsunki // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:47 AM

    I don’t think AC has transformed into a dud just because of an ill-advised (in hindsight) move to a club that cut him loose and cast him off when he got injured. I think he will be a bargain for someone just not us, unless tht asking price drops. I don’t buy the idea he is washed up though. He needs. To continue the development he had here and that was ruined by going to a clueless outfit like liverpool who bought him like someone who can’t play a musical instrument buys a very expensive guitar.

  • 357 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    Andy isn’t needed.

    No top club has a centre forward who is just a battering ram with as little technical ability as AC.

    We should be trying to find a suarez type striker (tricky, goals, assists, everything) for the 10-15mil AC would cost I’m sure we could get that kind of player.

  • 358 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    I couldn’t care less that he left us. He brought us 35 million, effectively buying us a whole new team.. and then some.

    What I care about is Goals and form. His goals per game and his form at Liverpool and at West Ham have been utter sh!te Nowhere near worth 10 million.

    “Whenever he played, he was the same Andy”

    I 100% agree… the same Andy Carroll that was at Liverpool.

    When he joined liverpool, he could not adapat to their style of play. Liverpool as a squad had to try and adapt to Carrolls style of play, evident by the increased number of long balls played whenever Carroll was on the pitch.

    West Ham play hoofball majority of the time, as that is the only way Fat Sam knows how to play. Even then Carroll has only scored 2 out of 12. He struggled to adapt to a different style of football, he is struggling to score to a team suited for his style of football.

    Andy Carroll – Over rated. Was never worth 35mill… was not even worth half that when with us, and has never been as good as he was with us. He is a half a season one trick wonder.

    Better talent in the market for better value.

  • 359 JackButler // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    cyprus

    Before our business in January I really feared for us this season, but the new guys have given everyone a massive lift, fans included. Saylor’s return couldn’t have come at a better time and Cabaye is getting back to his best with every game.

    All they need to do now is start to supplying Cisse with quality and continue believing in each other

  • 360 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:53 AM

    tsunki

    In fairness to liverpool they gave AC every chance. Daglish managed in a traditional style, had a winger to help him in downing (good delivery) and players like gerrard who certainly can pass/cross well.

    He failed at liverpool and now he is failing at west ham (again where things are set up for him).

    He is the typical player who bursts onto the scene then people figure him out. He is still good in the air so a danger at set plays but teams cut out crosses to him and don’t let him get as close to goal……in games for west ham teams are playing a higher line so he wins his headers 30 yards from goal not 15/20…makes a difference and he has no answer….too limited.

  • 361 JackButler // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    Luuk de Jong, Ricky van Wolfswinkel, Wilfred Bony, all priced around the 10 million mark and any of them would be a far better option than Carroll. They are all technically better players, they are all quicker and most importantly they all play more than a handful of games before breaking down

  • 362 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 12, 2013 at 7:55 AM

    @Prodigy

    There are quite a few Newcastle fans over here. There’s even a pub somewhere dedicated to Newcastle. However I must admit, compared to the amount of United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal Supporters, we are nowhere near as vast.

  • 363 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    I agree with transfer: what we need is a Suarez-type nimble little forward, as may be seen in previous posts of mine. I got caught up in this Carroll thing, because I don’t get the negativity to a local (ex-hero) player who’s been unlucky due to injuries. btw, Liverpool needed an Andy style player last night!

  • 364 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    cyprus

    I know what you mean about liverpool last night…when all the fancy passing fails you need a guy to knock it long to in the box to win the header and give you a route 1 chance.

    The problem for me is thats only ever needed for 10-20 mins max a game….when you are desperate…is that worth 10mill+…not for me.

    Rather our target man be a llorente type who is good in the air but also very good on the floor so can play both ways.

    Carroll is too one dimensional for me…we could get a better target man. Look how well crouch plays on the floor (not as good in the air but the balance is better between hoofball and football).

  • 365 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Suarez can do olympics level diving courses too

  • 366 Graeme // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:07 AM

    Cyprus – They have one, unfortunately, they loaned him out to WHU and to be honest, I don’t think West Ham, will take up the option of a permanent transfer at the agreed £17 million. You can call FSA many things, but he aint stupid.

    He now knows AC and what he delivers; he also knows whats available in the market. I guess AC will return to Liverfool or WHU will renegotiate a deal at £10 million or less.

  • 367 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:10 AM

    I’d love Andy to come good and recapture his form of 2 years ago for us…sadly I don’t think he will. Impossible to say for sure though.

    I think he needs to get fitter and work on his technical ability…not expecting him to become messi but he needs to work on passing and awareness to step up a level.

  • 368 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:11 AM

    Transfer,
    I agree, it’s that 10-20 minutes, when all else fails. Is it worth it? I think, yes. I get to watch all countries’ football, and I must admit that Barca is the best I’ve ever seen. But, believe it or not, the only thing that’s missing there is a big Ibrahimovic style forward, when even they run out of ideas. Like I said though, I think we need a Bellamy-style CF

  • 369 Tsunki // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    Transfer – it turns rouind to the old argument about setting your team up so your strikers have a chance, look at Cisse, is he washed up and figured out? I think of AC as undergoing a spell just like Shearer did a season or two before he retired, where the midfeld was pretty landlocked and we had virtually nobody of quality for him to play off.
    AC wasn’t sussed out before he got a decent championship season and a run in the premiership under his belt. Plus the sussing out theory can apply to virtually any player you want to cut out of the game, for example Torres. When you set your midfield up right you pull players wide and create opportunities for your target man. I don’t think AC is worth 10m and I don’t think we should buy him, but I think with the right setup he can regain what got him an England place.
    Don’t get me started on downing.

  • 370 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:16 AM

    Graeme, I think Andy will run out his contract with Liverpool, you are right. No one will pay the crazy money they will demand, in a futile effort to recuperate something. And, (you can quote me!) he’ll be back to NUFC 6 months before his 5.5 year contract expires.

  • 371 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    cyprus

    I remember barca vs chelsea last year when barca missed a few chances then chelsea managed to shut them out. Barca needed a goal and with minutes to go they were still tapping it around without having anyone to go long to and ultimately lost the game.

    Personally I’d rather we sign a suarez/aguero type forward and if we need to go long in the last 10 send stevie taylor upfront for a bit to win the headers.

    I’d love a ‘target man’ like llorente, ibrahimovich, etc who can really play too…harder to find but sure we could with the 10+mil it cost for AC.

  • 372 Markaccus // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    Morning all. Thought I’d see what was happening, before the specialists come on. What’s new?

  • 373 Troy Stavers // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    @Phoenix

    It’s fair to say those stats are still poor however its also fair to say, he was injured when he went to Liverpool and had had a long lay off.
    He was really sluggish when he went there but Kenny had to play him due to his fee.

    I still believe, at 24, he will reach a top level over a sustained period, providing he keeps his fitness.

    That could be a big if tho. . .

  • 374 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:21 AM

    tsunki

    Well yeh a player can adapt either themselves or by having their team make allowances…eg pace up top with him would force teams deeper giving AC more chances…so i do know what you mean.

    I just think west ham have done that…have good wingers, have nolan next to him and they still can’t get him goals…he only has 2 which isn”t great in 12 games.

    I think cisse is just in poor form, he is still getting good chances so his movement is good, his finishing is just poor at the moment…..he was trying to lash his leg at everything early season and missing, not he is overly placing it and lacking power to beat the keeper (chelsea game a good example).

    Torres is different, he had electric pace, would burst past people….now he hasn’t got that pace anymore after injuries and as a result has had to change his game and is struggling with it.

  • 375 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    troy

    The problem with Andy is he is a gamble.

    We scout heavily to get the odds in our favour…..dennis wise watched youtube clips so you have 5% chance that the player will be good….we have carr who swings that towards 75/80% we get the right player.

    I’d say AC is 50/50 whether he would recapture form and get over injuries. So those odds aren’t usually what we commit to such a high price for.

  • 376 Graeme // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    Cyprus – that time frame makes it about 4 years from now I guess!! AC will have either proved himself a top player by then or he’s become a “Shola” – fairly useless except on very rare occasions.

    Its a shame really; I actually feel sorry for the predicament he has ended up in. Will never match the expectations of the stupid transfer fee he went for and that is what most will look at. He could still be a decent CF if given the chance, with a manager that believes in him and the price tag removed.

  • 377 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:32 AM

    Spot on regarding Shola :) bless his soul

  • 378 Markaccus // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    Still think Andy would be a useful alternative from the bench, but not for 10mil. 6 or 7, and then hed have to be happy with a back up role. If we are in a game where we’re getting lots of corners and free kicks around the box, then Andy is perfect to bring on and head some goals.

  • 379 cyprus // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    Good point. Remember we have an atrocious record regarding set plays, we pretty much just waste literally hundreds of them!

  • 380 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:35 AM

    Morning all.

    Groundhog day? Give me a few minutes whilst I trawl through yesterday comments and put my cut and paste to work….

  • 381 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    Pheonix,

    That is dedication. The fact you have never set foot in the Toon, I take my hat off to you. Does your dad still follow us? He must be to have such an influence on you?

    I can’t bare this thought of re-signing him for 10 mil or more. The whole thing leaves me very disappointed if im honest.

    We could improve so much with 10 mil on a quality young nippy forward with bags of potential and hunger.

  • 382 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    I think our set pieces are more down to poor delivery as oppose to not having somebody good in the air.

  • 383 Rotonda heights // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    graeme

    it must be an awful predicament being on 80k a week !!!

  • 384 saxonfenken // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    However does Andy not get in the Liverpool team on last nights showing, They got what they deserved After another cheap dive from Suarez

  • 385 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    saxon

    he doesn’t get in as they play 1 up top centrally and suarez and sturridge are better players who get more goals.

  • 386 Troy Stavers // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    @T Sage

    Agree. But if the club are getting him at the right price then its worth a punt IMO.
    He brings you something different.
    If he was just an aerial player then I wouldn’t rate him, however he has ground ability as well.
    Underrated by too many on here, me thinks.

  • 387 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    rotonda

    Any idea who we could get as a target man who is also technical.

    I can only think of big names like lorrente…and ideas more on our budget/level?

  • 388 Bambams // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:52 AM

    NO WAY…..Andy Carroll will be trouble, he is trouble and we dont need trouble !

    He will get sent down if he comes back to newcastle. he cannot help drinking in Town and causing ‘Trouble’…

    His nickname when only 16years old was ‘Duncan Ferguson’ by the coaches and first team…..

    Go for PEA or wolf, not Big Andy !

  • 389 Rotonda heights // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    even the high priest of hoof ball allardyce has dropped carroll for games. says it all.

  • 390 Rotonda heights // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    bambams

    spot on

  • 391 Transfer Sage // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    troy

    He does have ground ability but he isn’t quick enough with the ball at his feet to fit in well with cabaye, ben arfa, sissoko, anita, gouff, marv, etc

    I think the strongest area of our team is midfield…therefore we should get forwards and defenders to compliment them.

    We go the defenders now we need more forwards who compliment them….a tricky suarez style forward and a pacey forward (could be campbell if he gets a chance)

  • 392 Bambams // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    @Troy Stavers……

    What ?

    Yee Knaa aal aboot him !

    Troy, Troy….

  • 393 Markaccus // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    Andy is more of a ball player than he gets credit for (yeah, he’s no van persie but he has good control). Like Cyprus said, our set piece record this season is….well….no existent to be honest! Cabaye has put a few in good areas, and either no-one has been there, or Williamson has, which is the same as no-one!

  • 394 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    I don’t believe the voting in here like!

    I think there is a number of people who want him back at a lower price than ten mil, maybe 5-6 and have clicked yes, which should be no!

    Thats what im putting thise voting stats down to haha

  • 395 saxonfenken // Feb 12, 2013 at 9:00 AM

    Transfer Sage
    So what we need is a Racist diving cheat like Suarez.
    I do know what you meant though and agree




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