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We Can Win It Next Week – Papiss Cisse

10:26 am, Friday, February 15th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 93 Comments

This photo below just about sums up how frustrated Papiss Cisse must have been last night after having two good goals disallowed, and then having other efforts saved by the goalkeeper – and one was a header with just 20 seconds to go in injury time.

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Papiss Cisse – frustrated last night – who can blame him?

The big news being reported about last night’s game is that Papiss had two good goals disallowed by the same Norwegian linesman – one in each half – just to balance things out.

And goalkeeper Olexandr Goryainov saved three other good chances the Senegal striker had – but at least he forced the save from the goalkeeper – who had a very good game for Metalist Kharkiv.

It’s natural that Cisse thinks both goals should have been allowed, and they should have been:

“I think they were both goals – it’s down to the linesman.” “He said ‘no’, and once he’s made his decision it’s a no. There’s nothing you can do. It’s so frustrating.”

“I think we should be talking about a win.” “That would have been very, very good for the team.” “But the other team tried very hard and denied us. We just couldn’t get the win.”

“We can win the second leg – we’ll be going over there to give everything.” “We’re confident of still doing the job and getting through.”

We’ll hear a lot of our players say they will go to the Ukraine next Thursday night and win the game, and of course you’d hate it if they came out and said there’s no chance at all next week – but we’ll still make the trip. 😀

But the truth is it will be very difficult, and maybe the best we can hope for is to score a goal there – and end up with a score draw and we can go through.

But we must try to win the game against Southampton the following Sunday, and we don’t want our best players tired for that game – because the Saints will come at us in that game, and they have shown some good form of late including a 3-1 home win last time out against Manchester City – the Premier League Champions.

We are tied on points with Southampton at 27, and it would be good to gain 3 points on them, especially since they hammered us 2-0 at St. Mary’s earlier this season, in one of our worst performances of the season.

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93 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Troy Stavers // Feb 15, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    I agree Papiss. 😉

  • 2 Assam Toon // Feb 15, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    1-1 draw should do it..that will be the score i think. lets hope our defence is very good between now and end of season, because as it seems we are not going to score many either. i am not expecting cricket scores till end of the season.

  • 3 ArtyH // Feb 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    The officials were a joke last night. Just shows how the games can be ” rigged ” intentionally or not, if I was the UAFA management I would be checking the bank accounts for the jokers who officiated this match, they were a disgrace! Games like this are the reason why replays should play a major part in officiating a game, its the only way.

  • 4 fray bentos // Feb 15, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Logged in at half time yesterday, big mistake!! was reminded of all the mugs who post during the game, complete and utter imbeciles!! who would want to come on a blog and post while the game is being played?!

    Some of the c**p they were posting, just shows they nothing as they don’t watch the game properly

  • 5 toonfield // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    A massive shame for cisse. All the stick hes been getting on here recently and he bags 2 good goals. Hopefully he will carry this form to the next game

  • 6 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Do we know who the officials will be for the 2nd leg?

    I’m hoping that the poor decisions yesterday will serve as extra motivation, not that it should be needed, to really stick it to them in the next game.

  • 7 tequilamag // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Fray, I checked the comments when I got back from the match. It`s quite shocking the level of hatred and bile that is spewed out about our own players.

  • 8 tequilamag // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Good morning Ibiza, some really poor decisions last night, can only hope we get better performance from the officials in away leg.

  • 9 archaeomag // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    I thought that the goals he did not score were great moves – we are creating some great chances

  • 10 ArtyH // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Don’t know Ibiza M8, but it just shows how our game can be dictated by poor officiating, I feel sorry for Cisse he should have had at least 2 last night and that would have done his confidence the world of good. With continental games I cannot help thinking the games can be rigged without modern replays to verify actions. I would not have minded if Cisse had really been offside and the calls were correct, its just so typical the way the game is going that it is not being put right.

  • 11 tequilamag // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Good morning Archeo, yeah Cisse was still getting loads of criticism but hardly his fault he was on the end of some bad decisions. Sissoko seems to have the knack of setting up some good chances for the lad. His luck will come soon I think.

  • 12 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    Tequila…I hope so, something tells me if the pressure of all those Geordies didn’t help, how it will go in front of the metalist fans…

    ArtyH…Newcastle fans will be the first to admit Cisse tends to struggle with the offside rule, I guess that’s what makes it such a bitter pill to swallow. The 2nd one I can somewhat get my head around, but we should be atleast taking a 1 goal lead to the next game.

    Still, I said earlier and I still think the same, we didn’t really play that well and should have done more to take an advantage to the away game, but hey, sometimes it’s just not to be.

    All we can do now is get a result there. This tie is still wide open.

  • 13 WesJameson // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    @ ArtyH // Feb 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Couldn’t agree more, and i’m not even slightly joking…

    Two legitimate goals chalked off..
    The amount of fouls given against us
    The amount of fouls and dirty tactics they got away with
    The amount of yellows we were given and they weren’t

    Was saying to my Manure supporting mate, had this been them playing, no chance on Gods green earth would those goals have been disallowed

    In my 20 plus years of supporting NUFC, i have NEVER seen such biased and shocking reffing…

    SHAMBLES!! UEFA do your fekking jobs FFS!!

  • 14 tequilamag // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Ibiza I am too hung over to say anything but cliches this morning. Game of 2 halves , much better in the second.

  • 15 toonfield // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    There are a lot of fans on this blog who criticise when cisse has a bad game.
    Wouldnt it be nice if these fans came on and praised after he has a good game. It works both ways

  • 16 ArtyH // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    One thing I would say is that They were a good side and attacked our players every time there was a loose or 50-50 ball. They really wanted the ball. The game against ” The Bay ” must have been a ruse’ as this could not have been the same team! Dont forget when Andy Cole played for us it was said out of 10 attempts he would score 2-3. Andy had Pedro Papiss has both Sissoko and Cabaye so he is going to come good again he just needs a bit of support at this time.

  • 17 curmon // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    The standard of refereeing has been in decline for years, even in the Premier League. However it is still way above european standards, I have lost count of the number of UEFA European games where the referees have been totally inept. Unfortunately Norway seems to specialise in producing refs of the poorest quality. Remember the Norwegian ref who completely screwed Chelsea a few years ago, to the point he received death threats. It is such a pity that UEFA are incompetent and toothless o0n all fronts. Platini is a complete tosser.

  • 18 fray bentos // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:36 AM


    I honestly believe most of them don’t actually watch the game properly and are more concerned with the rubbish their writing on here

    I really don’t understand why anybody would want to write on a blog while the game is being played anyway, they really need to get their priorities as fans in order, no wonder they come out with so much rubbish

  • 19 Blaydon-Toon // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Good morning ! Not been on for a while as on a fitness programme ! Thought we played well last night and could have easily won but for some poor decisions not going our way … Benny back soon and having watched our new players we will not go down ! Give the EL a real go ! Was impressed with mbiwa thought he did a great job at RB and quality cross for Cisse offside goal that never was ! Cabaye ball to Cisse first half was quality 🙂 nice to see we have some strength in depth with the likes of Goff dreamboat2 Benny Anita not starting ! Will be a tough game over there thought they were pretty decent side given they have not played for so long ! Toon Toon

  • 20 ArtyH // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    @Wes, Hi mate imagine how I feel I’ve been supporting them for over 50 years. And what you say about Man U is IMHO correct too, they seem to curry favour because they are a big name and subliminally the rest of the officials are programmed to comply with ” Fergies ” actions of frustration and his remonstrations, IE they are bullied into making descisions that favour Man U.

  • 21 tequilamag // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Fray dont normally bother with the blog at all on match days as all the loonies come out to play and I just get too wound up reading the dross they post. Your quite correct though when there is a game on just watch it.

  • 22 weg // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    I have no worries about Cisse’s form. He’ll have plenty of goals by the end of the season.
    The 2nd Leg team for me, would be:
    MBiwa, STaylor, Collocini, Haidara
    Obertan, Sissoko,Tiote, Cabaye, Marveaux
    Bringing on Anita and Jonas for whoever looks like they are tiring in midfield, and Shola for Cisse.

    The Southampton team for me, would be:
    Debuchey, STaylor, Collocini, Santon
    Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Perch, Cabaye, Gouffran
    Bringing on MBiwa for Staylor or Collocini, Marveaux for Benny, Sissy or Cabs, and young Campbell for Cisse(only if Cisse is tiring!)

  • 23 santonthenewmaldini // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Its such a tough dilemma for Pardew team selection for 2nd leg I also think he still does not really get this whole rotation malarky yet understandable as this is the 1st ever squad where he has had strength in depth !!!

    He will play his favourites till they get injured and then bring in Marv, Anita till they come back even if it means playing people out of position they will be brought back in

    If Cabaye is playing as the defensive midfielder what is the point in having Tiote on the pitch?!?

    Will be raging if we get knocked out as looking at the teams left in the competition we can give everyone a right good game especially with Arfa back fit

  • 24 south coast toon // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    you got to feel sorry for the boys cisse scored 2 goals, sissoko seems to be getting the ball in the right places,there keeper has a good game and the officals had a terrible game and dare i say it probably walked away with more than any player on the pitch, com on eufa the was no fairplay last night or are they all stuffing there pockets as well bloody shambles
    wes jamerson completely agree no way would this of happen to man u fergie would ave skinned em alive.
    still the boys did well against 14 men to get a draw
    this will be won by a dodgey desicion at there place
    linesman and refs are all rouges and do more deal;s than a dodgy market trader

  • 25 Bambams // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    We will win out there, they will attack more and we do look solid at the back. Catch them with well organised breaks that i am sure Pards will have them working on during training sessions.

  • 26 Transfer Sage // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Never had chance to see the game last night as had other plans…..but from the highlights we seemed to play well…created a lot of good chances which should have been taken.

    Pardew sent out a good side who played well just didn’t finish.

    I think both offsides were close so can’t blame linesman for that, these things happen, take the rough with the smooth…we have benefited from close calls this season (everton away).

    As for fouls…well refs are much stricter in europe as its a softer game on the continent.

  • 27 shearermania // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    okay i had never heard about sisokko when we signed him..never ever – i dont play pc games….but i dont think i have ever seen a new signed unknown player like this in toon.
    man the boy is a beast, strong and powerful, good passing, eye for a goal…this boy is the real mckoy……i cant believe we got him over the top clubs….very puzzled…he looks head and shoulders above the rest

  • 28 Transfer Sage // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    who did people want anita and marv in for? They are both centre mids and neither are better than the current 3 in midfield.

    Marv said himself he is a central player, he struggles out wide so why play him there.

    Anita is good but not better than tiote, cabs or sissoko……even if people think he is, its a close call between them so hardly like he is dropping somebody like ronaldo for jonas..

  • 29 shearermania // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    only one to get the chop is jonas….but is that ever gonna happen?

  • 30 Big Pappa Cissé // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    @ Sage

    Team I would have played last night






  • 31 ArtyH // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Face it lads it was Valantine’s day yesterday and the toon got the biggest screwing on the planet, end of.

  • 32 ArtyH // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    By the officials that is.

  • 33 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    sissoko was very good last night i have to say
    just imagine we didnt play jonas and squidward and play anita and mareaux two players with creativity and actual quality! so p*issed of pardew put out his ‘strongest team’ available and that included jonas and obertan ! is he being serious like? obertan offers nothing unless brought on 4 15mins when the opposition is tired and jonas as much as i love him is past it , they were the two weak links last night , i keep defending pardrew but im going to have to jump on the bandwagon soon with his tactics , f*****g joke and the worst of it is i can see jonas and obertan getting game time next year too especially jonas

  • 34 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    sissoko was very good last night i have to say
    just imagine we didnt play jonas and squidward and play anita and mareaux two players with creativity and actual quality! so p*is*ed of pardew put out his ‘strongest team’ available and that included jonas and obertan ! is he being serious like? obertan offers nothing unless brought on 4 15mins when the opposition is tired and jonas as much as i love him is past it , they were the two weak links last night , i keep defending pardrew but im going to have to jump on the bandwagon soon with his tactics , f**king joke and the worst of it is i can see jonas and obertan getting game time next year too especially jonas as he must be an incredible c**k sucker!!

  • 35 WesJameson // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    @ south coast toon // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    Couldn’t have put it any better myself…

    11 vs 14, came close to punching a hole in the TV last night, still furious about it all

    Transfer Sage // Feb 15, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Mate, come on now….i agree European refs, are stricter and softer on fouls than the Prem, but thats not the point here….the ref blew against us time and time again, they made the same amount of fouls/dirty tactics, but yet get one booking…SHAMBLES!!

    And Anita….overall is a much better football player than Tiote….maybe not as physical, but passing and footballing brain is 10 x what Tiotes is

  • 36 Troy Stavers // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:14 PM


    You should name and shame them and ask them to justify their comments. 😉

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 PM


    I never saw the full game, just some extended highlights today so can’t really comment in much detail on general fouls.

    I’ll take yours and a lot of people’s words on here. I think sometimes refs presume the British team are tougher and naturally give my fouls against, it’s not right but seems to happen a lot, even for our big clubs in champs league.

    But I stand by that both offsides were close so I can forgive officials for that.

  • 38 Transfer Sage // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Big pappa

    Not keen on having sissoko and marv out wide

    Rather have sissoko where he was and marv I don’t like as a winger. I think he needs to play central, said it himself. He is lost out wide and doesn’t do enough to get involved.

    The only problem is with no gouff and HBA we are stuck with two poor wingers in Jonas and obertan. I just think marv isn’t really much better out wide, he has more talent but can’t use it there.

  • 39 joe // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM


    Yeap I can totally imagine if we had played Anita and Marveux instead. We would have scored 2 maybe 3 goals? And Metalist would have scored maybe 1 or 2 as well. Is that how you wanna play the first leg of a knockout game at home? Remember the Alkmaar game? No doubt 4-2 is a great score if it was a league game, but an absolutely horrendous score to have in a knockout tie.

  • 40 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    TS….I do agree with you on the second goal, it was really really close, but for the first goal that was a really poor call imo. Linesman obviously ball watching and missed the player closest to him which played Cisse onside, no?

  • 41 Mister Tuff // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Ian Toon – afternoon Ian.
    You mentioned in a previous post about Cabs playing too deep, I think other posters,Charlie and Santon, also picked up on this. I noticed on several occasions that the defence seemed to be at a loss and to who to play the ball to, when suddenly Cabs appeared (running back from midfield) to collect the ball -right in front of the defenders. Granted this did not happen all the time. Mr. T seemed to be covering this aspect most of the game. However, I do not think that Cabs should be running back into defensive areas to collect the ball -he needs to be more forward. I do not know whether he did this because of an over cautious approach (by Percy), but if I was an opponent I would love to see him next to the defenders as opposed to being in midfield.
    Whilst the refereeing decisions cost us last night, what seemed like a great plan a couple of days ago, to play a strong team, then next week a “lesser” team and then a stronger team for the Soton game now seems problematic.
    The PL has to be the priority. However Percy may have a couple of “wild cards” to play next week with the return of Benny and Gouffran. Will they be available for the away leg, if not, they could bolster the team for Soton. Must say I thought we might have heard a bit more about Bennys’ return -hope it is as suggested and not later.

  • 42 Ian Toon // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Mister Tuff- Catch you later – on the move .
    Tequila- I responded to your post a few beers post (!!) earlier.

  • 43 Big Pappa Cissé // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    @ Sage

    They are hardly playing out wide in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Not many clubs play with wide men these days, would you say Mata, Silva, Nasri, Hazard were wide men ?. We do not have the players capable to play a 4-4-2 correctly IMO. Players like Valencia & Nani are proper wingers but we only have Jonas and Obertan (maybe Fergie). Why not play to our strengths ?

  • 44 joe // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Mr Tuff

    I believe the reason Cabaye played in front of the back 4 last night was to give us extra stability in midfield and the ability to play from the back. And it worked, we dominated possession and were able to play out from the back. What it did however was sacrifice some of our attacking play. But don’t forget, but for some dodgy refereeing our play was good enough to win 2-0. In other words our tactics were perfect for a home tie.

    Some people actually do forget this is a knockout tie, with 2 legs and away goals rule. I really wonder if they would be happy if we had played our more attacking players and won 2-1 or 3-2. As it stands now, Metalist don’t have an away goal, which puts a lot of pressure on them at home.

  • 45 check the toastie // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    I like Sissoko, but think he should be playing next to Cabaye in the middle of the pitch if Pardick continues with Jonas, we need more intent going forward from our midfield, no point in playing him 2nd striker, when he could bomb on from the middle of the pitch still and combine with Ben10 or Marv who could play 2nd striker.

    I admit he has looked good further forward, but just let him do that from centre midfield.


    I have picked this team bearing in mind the fact that Jonas will never be dropped. He clearly shouldnt be anywere near the team. Ideally Anita would play with Cabaye and Sissoko then could push on, however i have given up on the idea that this could actually happen. 🙂

    Beginning to hate on Parsnip again

  • 46 Ian Toon // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Mister Tuff- Does Mr Pardew have to win something before you stop calling him Percy. Or is it a term of endearment from a mature gentleman! He was not a happy bunny last night and was quite brusk ,by his standards, when fans tried to seak with him post match.

  • 47 DokToon // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    gmoring all… was despondent watching the match yesterday… thought we played well enough to win… hope those refs are not doing the next match…

    forgive my ignorance, while i do comprehend the away goal rules, what happens if the next tie ends 0-0?

  • 48 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Dok…Extra time and then penalties.

    Basically if there is no away goal advantage we keep playing. A score draw or win for us will see us through.

  • 49 joe // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:48 PM


    We go to extra time and penalties if need be

  • 50 Mister Tuff // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    joe @43 – hopefully next week Metalist may try to attack more in view of the fact they are the home team -and we might catch them on the break. I cannot see Percy playing Cabs in the return leg. However the team selections for both of next weeks games is tantalising/intriguing -just what are Percys’ formations going to be.

  • 51 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    and good morning…mustn’t forget my manners 🙂

  • 52 DokToon // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    thank you kind sirs… so if we go to penalties, what will be the betting odds of a ref calling the penalty offsides as well? 🙂 i say even money… sorry, im being a tad touchy on that…

  • 53 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Dok…Based on last night, I wouldn’t be surprised 🙂

  • 54 joe // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    Mister Tuff

    I think they will come out of their shell more, but seek to control the game rather than go for goals. They will be wary of our threat on the counter definitely, so we might see a slow tempo, possession game from them where they try and pin us back without committing too many men forward. Plus they know we will be playing Southampton that weekend and will want to finish the game within 90 mins, so i think the Metalist coach will tell players to keep the ball and fustrate us, and when we look to play more adventurously they would pick us off then.

  • 55 John Tudor // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    bent officals on the take

  • 56 check the toastie // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Ian, wish you would stop pretending you are Pardew’s mate or something,

    He’s a charlatan, dont know why you want to portray him as our saviour, he is out of his depth, he was when he was appointed and he is now. nothings changed and if he is nice to you now and then it doesnt change this fact. Hughton was out of his depth and you couldnt wish to meet a nicer guy. Give it a rest man.

  • 57 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    Well I stick by a slightly weaker team next week as Pardew will view the home leg as an opportunity missed/wasted and PL games viewed as priority due to their being no leeway to play around with the drop. If we win it will be great as we will have a few PL games played hopefully some poits picked up and then the EL will be a more serious proposition for the management.

    Not what I want but that’s how I see it panning out,

  • 58 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    joe i dont know how you can say the fact that jonas plays we wouldnt have conceded , people think his defensive controbutions are great when there not !! there so overated !!all he does is crouch and stand over the player , he works hard but he cant tackle, all he does is win a few free kicks half the time and the other half loses the ball , goofy can defend and attack ! marveaux at least can attack , his defensive controbutions are argueable but he hasnt played enough full games to judge that but he works hard, people need to wake up and realise jonas offers nothing except running around like a headless chicken and looseing the ball, , like obertan

  • 59 DokToon // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    so ibiza, needed to give you some news… i spoke with the better half, and shes agreed to my 1st trip to st james… when i was younger, i had all the time and no money… now im older, have the money and no time, lol… anyway, stoked about the trip next year, ill keep you posted when we will be set plans, and will hope to meet up and all the rest of all the lads on here!!!

  • 60 stuart no9 // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    i think cisse cant complain about the 2nd goal . he was marginally offside. looked at it loads of times . same all the time.

  • 61 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    “I don’t think my team could have played much better” -pardrew ong wtf is going on in the world , im fed up defending this plank !

  • 62 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Glad someone mentioned Obertan…The guy is really frustrating.

    Before I start, I know he made the pass for Cisses “goal” and fair play.

    I know why he started, his pace. He showed he has it and beat his man several times and looked lively, he just can’t seem to do anything with it after that point. Thought he looked one of the most lively players on the field…just imagine if Gouffran had been playing last night….just imagine if the officials weren’t complete idiots…imagine all the people living life in peace woo hoo oooo…sorry, got a little side tracked there.

    Tsunki…That is exactly how I see it panning out too. Can’t really knock it too much I suppose, we are where we are at this point and needs must.

  • 63 Mister Tuff // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Ian Toon – I use the name “Percy Panais” as a term of loving endearment, I have moved on from Percy Parsnip by using Panais which is the French word for parsnip -I am trying to embrace our French Revolution by getting into the spirit of things French. How did you know Percy was a bit brusque last night. Aaaahhhhh – you were there to hand him your Valentines Day card, hand him a posie of flowers or just to blow him a kiss.
    Ian in all seriousness you need to curtail you fawning adoration of Percy -it cannot be good for your health.
    I know that you think Percy is a good coach the “evidence” you have previously cited for this is that he speaks to the fans in a friendly manner after the match. In view of the fact that you state he had changed to being brusque I assume leads you to now think of him as a poor coach.

  • 64 joe // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM


    I get where you’re coming from but don’t forget that even Alex Ferguson used to play the likes of O Shea, Park, and Fletcher in European knockout ties. No where am I stating that Metalist would have definitely scored if Jonas wasn’t on the pitch. All I’m saying is there needs to be a balance between attack and defence and in a game where we ABSOLUTELY CANNOT let the opposition score like yesterday, I would trust Jonas on the right more than I would someone like Marveux. Don’t forget also that we should have won 2-0 but for some dodgy linesman, and if the goals were allowed to stand it would have been a perfect home tie and you would have said Pardew picked the perfect team and got his tactics spot on.

  • 65 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Stuart…Agreed. He was slightly offside, so even though if in doubt they should side with the ST, he was offside so it was actually the right call (not that I think they definitely knew that).

    Dok…That is good news. Wish I could get over for a game…money and time…got to get me some of that 🙂

    Danny…The players will be pretty deflated after the way things worked out last night, but I do agree in that they definitely could have played better…we’ve seen them play better. Still, it’s Pardews job to keep their heads up. I’m hoping he has had some words with a few of them who really didn’t do enough yesterday. Actually, in general its just a lack of team effort, they don’t seem to be on the same page, well they didn’t last night and haven’t for a large part of this season.

  • 66 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    OBERTAN AND JONS SHOULD NOT BE PLAYING PERIOD ! If that means playing players out of position so be it, jonas doesnt even have a position hes that poor and obertaon omfg im fed up of that man u reject he had a chance to shine last night and he just trotted around like a spastic with no work ethic and when he did get it his mind just goes black , no brain cells , no footballing brain , no ability, would prefer fergie or sammy to him anyday and thats saying something

  • 67 joe // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    We absolutely cannot go attacking European ties the way we can in the EPL. It really is naive to think so! I thought fans would have learned their lesson from the nightmare that was AZ Alkmaar but evidently not! Or was it too long ago that we do not remember it? The naiveness from our team that night was shocking. 3-0 up and they should have been dead and buried, but no we had to let them score 2 away goals ffs.

  • 68 WesJameson // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    @ stuart no9 // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    What is the offside rule?

    Is it still, there needs to be daylight between striker and defender? If so…the second goal was nowhere near offside

    Wont even speak of the first, could of parked a bus between defender and attacker on that one

    What makes it worse, is that the player nearest/right in front of linesman actually was playing Sissokho onside

    A 5 year old boy, wouldn’t have called that offside

  • 69 joe // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:14 PM


    I guess that’s your footballing perspective then. My perspective is it’s more important not to let the opposition score when playing at home. In fact the way Metalist waltzed through our midfield at times in the first half I would even be inclined to start Perch alongside Tiote! No way to prove who is right but Pardew has a philosophy, and like it or not that is just what we’re gonna have to accept.

  • 70 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    i think one of the goals was onside and one was off but thats beside the point , we were poor last night and looked so average, i think 2-0 would have flattered us, i think jonas would be a good sub when WE ARE WINNING the game , its too negative starting him , what does that say to anita and mareaux , twp players with quailty sitting on the bench watch those two headless chickens running about offering nothing , we will continue to lose games, be knocked out of cups and win nothing if we continue players crap players and having a defensive negative mentality especially at home, im so angry, i fear the worst next thursday i really do

  • 71 Rake // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Sissoko was bought to play behind Cisse first and foremost because he is big strong and can hold the ball up. Something Cisse can struggle to do. Secondly he is a good passer meaning he can link with Cisse. Marv can’t play out wide his main weakness is the defensive duties Pardew insists the wide men doing.
    Pardew’s starting 11 when all fit.

    Debuchy-Saylor-Colo- Santon
    Ben Arfa–Sissoko–Gouffran
    ————– Cisse.————

    Personally i would have Anita over Tiote, But we all know Pardew favours strength over ability which is why he had Perch in over Anita when Tiote was away.

  • 72 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    joe its not that attacking playing mareaux its hardly like were playing a strike on the wing , its not like he sits up in the final third picking his nose, if jonas was a good defensive winger id inderstand but hes not even that anymore , purely useless , and anita is hardly overly attacking there intelliagant football players , much smater than squidward and jonas , they would be on the same wavelength with the rest of our quality players

  • 73 joe // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Dannyboy, fair point on Jonas not being good defensively either. Let’s just say….. he gets in the way of stuff lol. And I guess Pardew is thinking at least I can rely on him to get in the way when the opposition is attacking more than I can rely on Marveux to do the same.

    But I do share your sentiments, Jonas needs replacing sooner rather than later, and I hope we do have a good few wingers lined up in the summer!

  • 74 WesJameson // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    @ dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Now you are talking rubbish mate….

    We were shocking against Southampton, but last night we were anything but…thought we looked a very good top half of the table type team, and in all honesty….that was one of Jonas’s best games, in a long long time

    Here are the stats of the game, we totally dominated them

  • 75 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Joe , jonas is gives 100% but it means nothing , we are playing in the best league in the world and europa league , if all the best mangers in the world pick players baised on there work ethic and not talent theyd win no cups, and mareaux/anita arent lazy , they give 100% aswell especially anita but at least mareaux gives something postive rather than nothing at all.
    when gooffy,sissoko,ben arfa,cabaye and cisse are all fit playing together it will be a different story but say one of those get injured , ITS NO EXCUE to start playing jonas again , also the tiotes positon is up for grabs , he is a lunatic that should be in the WWF or ruby, would prefer anita or perch AT THE MOMENT and i honestly mean that

  • 76 Benry // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Troy Stavers do you think Papiss Cisse is good enough to be the main striker for us?

  • 77 fray bentos // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Why is Obertan given so much grief after that performance?!

    He made the goal which should have been, he made a few neat little passes, also went past a few players which was good to see, nearly scored, granted he did mess up from the byline with a couple of cross opportunties but every single player will mess up some of their opportunties, he’s only human (something many of you can’t understand).

    He’s been poor in the past but some of you lot can’t see past this, credit where credits due and that, he’s never going to be a Ben Arfa player or some superstar winger but he works as a squad player which is how he has been played for the last year, stop giving your own players uneccessary grief, your proabably the same fans who boo him, idiots!!!

  • 78 Benry // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Would you be happy if he was lead striker next season?

  • 79 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    wesjameson we were playing a averge team , if we luckily get through to the next stage and playing a team with actual quailty like lyon or zenit for example they would have beat us last night , im not saying we wernt the better team but we could have been ALOT better, stats mean nothing

  • 80 joe // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Tiote in the WWF huh.. Wonder what he’d call himself and his signature move would be? But I have to agree with you he hasn’t been himself for some time now, whether it’s down to tactics or personal reason, I haven’t a clue. I also think it’s a position we need to look into in the summer, either Anita steps up or we get another player to fill Tiote’s position, ideally someone like Veloso, who can spray passes around but is also defensively solid.

  • 81 fray bentos // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Anybody who didn’t see that we were the dominant team who were really unlucky not to win with a good home score yesterday just aren’t football illiterate and can only comprehend the scroreline and judge accordingly, they are can’t analyse the football because their brains can’t handle it and therefore make judgement based solely on the score.

    i feel sorry for them

  • 82 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    or even xabi alonso . . . . or khedira . . .. .or is that wishful thinking hahaha

  • 83 Earl // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    I was at the game last night. For the people who are shelling abuse at Jonas, I thought it was his best game in a long time. he made a number of dribbles and if it wasn’t for the lack of support in the box we may have got something out of it. I haven’t’ seen players doubling up on Jonas in a long time, which suggests he was posing a threat. I respect the fact he isn’t a world beater, but having a go at him for the sake of it is ridiculous. I thought we played quite well considering they had 11 men behind the ball, meaning we had to pass sideways most of the game, and we still managed put two in (OK they were dissallowed). I recall Barca having a problem when Chelsea did the same thing last season! From what I saw from the game, they are a good passing team, and a decent threat form dead ball situations. However their final third had a lot to be desired. if we can nick a goal and keep their supporters (who all looked canny mad haha) quiet we should be okay!

  • 84 cockneymagpie90 // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Pardew: we are going to attack them tonight…

    Why the eff would you play Jonas then?!


  • 85 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    thank you cockney im glad ive got some back up

  • 86 beefman13 // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    So we are going to rest some players next week, bet perch plays though, jonas rested, i would say definatly as Pardew will want him fit for southhampton (beyond belief), shola may actually start, will obertan, probably again he will, christ he slated our younger players, the ones who mainly got us in the last 32 i havnt heArd him once have a go at obertan jonas willy perch even santon who in the Brighton cup game was horrible, but he had a go at the easy targets, yet again, mot one youngun in the squad last night, just to accommodate perch simpson obertan and the awful gutti.

    If we escape relegation it will be beacuse of the players brought in and bot by the manager i may add, and beacuse there us class amongst them we should be ok god willing, not because of the system he play’s.

    I dont thinj our manager is strong enough to cope with bug time players if he leaves them out, i find the bloke slimy and not loyal to his while squad but over protective of his favorites, his ego is gettung in the way, we can win against southhampton of course we can but, but with our squad we have the Gateshead manager couls see us theough smoothly.

    Oh by the way Fray, why dont you just watch the match instead of checking The blog, check it afterwards, whatever any one posts read them afterwards if you dont want to miss any of the matcg, i post during stoppages etc, like many nany others who post on this the best site there is, its a blog to put views across when suits not just whar suits you and a few others. I will slate and protect who i want, i protect the owner a lot of the time, i cannot NOW stand our manager.

  • 87 fray bentos // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:52 PM


    Get back to your lessons

  • 88 beefman13 // Feb 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    Earl, one cross in 90 mins by a right winger is pathetic and the cross was in the 90th min, u was there, he dine one dribble were he actually beat a player the rest of the time it was the usual run stop start fall over, oh he won us a corner as well. Not good enough son.

  • 89 dannyboy // Feb 15, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    GO BEEFMAN i agree with you bigtime,true realisitc supporters maybe?

  • 90 beefman13 // Feb 15, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Fray, terry hibbert, stewy barraclough, ginola, wven gillespiw must be in awe of the quality of crosses coming in from obertan and gutti, Supermac would gave chinned the useless couple of idiots, could you imagine big Wynn or tudor or supermac being happy with those showers of players and quality of crosses, if thw neq players had not come in in tje window we would have definatly went down and, even now it is not a forgone conclusion, that manager would gave taken us down. Im still praying even though i feel we will be fine, no thanks to the manager though, but the quality of player brought in, his tactics suck and have stunk grounds out most of this season.

    Catchy im with you concerning the manager, i feel that strongly about him being a total gob£hite.

    Im not giving him any credit even if we win. He has totally peed mw off this season. Turning on easy targets to save his own crawly skin.

  • 91 AmericanGeordie // Feb 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    We gave it our best with AP fielding his strongest side, and we are unlucky not to have a 2 goal lead heading into the 2nd leg.

    HOWEVER, I think it’s time for AP to field an almost entire 2nd XI to rest up and prepare for the Southampton 6-pointer next Sunday. Here’s my club for the 2nd leg:


    Bench: Harper, Taylor, Tiote, Ben Arfa (if fit), Bigi, Cisse, Campbell

    Rest (incl. no travel): Colo, Santon, Cabaye, Sissoko, Jonas, and of course, Gouffran & Debuchy who aren’t eligible to play anyway.

    At this point I’d take my chances with that lot. Who knows, we may still go through. Heaven knows we are due a bit of good fortune!

  • 92 toonicle // Feb 15, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    All of those Metalist players seem to have taken a seminar in how to take a dive, it was really embarrassing.

  • 93 CisseSomething // Feb 15, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    As far as I’m concerned Papiss DID score 2 goals. Nothing but love for the lad.

    Video replay in!

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