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Alan Pardew’s Excellent Man Management Skills Revealed

8:14 pm, Monday, February 18th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 109 Comments

We had heard Alan Pardew had done this when the five French players arrived last month – and the news  could have come directly from the Newcastle manager himself – but Steven Taylor has explained again that the new players were asked by the Newcastle gaffer why they came to Newcastle – in front of all the rest of the players.

steven taylor - mathieu debuchy after chelsea win

Steven Taylor and new boy Mathieu Debuchy celebrate win over Chelsea

Newcastle had a fantastic January transfer window, and we signed Mathieu Debuchy, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Massadio Haidara, Yoan Gouffran and Moussa Sissoko – all from the French League and all for around £18M in total – and there are some great bargains are in there.

This is what Steven Taylor told the Topman magazine:

“Before the Aston Villa game we all sat down for a meal and the Gaffer presented each player with their shirt and asked them to explain why they came to Newcastle.” “Through a translator they all explained that they just wanted to be accepted by the group, give 100% to the team and promised not to let down the players and staff who were already there.”

“It was refreshing to hear them say that to us because too many times I’ve seen players come in, sign their big money contracts and just down their tools and relax. We’ve now got a group of players willing to work hard.” “You can see a player every day without actually getting to scratch beneath the surface and really get to know them.”

“To help that, the Gaffer has arranged a different theme every day for lunch times and we all have to eat together.” “Today we had a French day, tomorrow it’s Dutch and then Senegalese. We eat food from whatever country we’re doing that day, put up decorations with the country’s flags on them, the full shebang.”

“It might only be a small gesture but hopefully it helps the foreign players settle and feel accepted.”

We’re extremely impressed by all our new signings in January – and they certainly seem to have wanted to join Newcastle, and they all have given some great interviews since they arrived on Tyneside – and they’ve all played very well too.

And as we recall the were also asked to sing a song in front of the rest of the lads – so that’s one way in which Alan Pardew is an excellent man manager – because explaining why they came to Newcastle and then having to sing a song will certainly help break down the initial barriers for the newcomers – and for our squad players too.

Oh, and then we hammered Chelsea 3-2 at home, after beating Aston Villa 2-1 on the road for our very first away win of the season – and that helped too. 😀

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Tags: Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa · Massadio Haidara · Mathieu Debuchy · Moussa Sissoko · Steven Taylor · Yoan Gouffran

109 responses so far ↓

  • 1 beefman13 // Feb 18, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    Conspiracy theory with Pardew could be he deliberatly dumbed down the younger players chances and that of Adam campbell in case they did come through, thus stopping the owner from shelling out some bit in the window, i cant think of any other reason why he would have kept on playing that same team even with the injuries we had, the team that kept getting stuffed.

    If that wasnt the case and he genuinly feels that the younger players are a parcel as he just about said (criminal for a manager to pull a set of lads down like that) then he has even less clue than i thought before. Campbell should have had a chance months ago without question, how can you say someone is as good as anyone in the whole squad in training then not give him a sniff??? beggars belief, shola is not in the same league as Campbell.

    If we start improving and god willing we will it will be beacuse of the players brought in by graham carr. Put Ian Holloway in charge of our squad and he would have us playing terrific football, he works on shoestrings but i would swap him for Pardew in a heartbeat.

    Man Managment skills fair enough to a degree, tactically awful.

  • 2 joe // Feb 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM

    Honestly don’t think you can say that he’s tactically awful. Just because he doesn’t play the way u like or the team u want doesn’t make him poor tactically. In fact You might be tactically awful to him, all a matter of perspective really. Im sure he must have his reasons of persisting with Jonas et al.

  • 3 Marty-Toon // Feb 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    Arsenal fans are fed up with Wenger,I’d say they can do a swap with us and they’ll soon find out that they’d have him back in a flash.
    On the other hand,we’ve got some great players in the squad now and a good work rate that we must be getting close to being a top side.
    We seem to be able to pass the ball out of defence now and if we can rotate the players while keeping them fit and on their toes then we can hopefully pull away from the relegation zone quickly.

  • 4 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    “And as we recall the were also asked to sing a song in front of the rest of the lads – so that’s one way in which Alan Pardew is an excellent man manager”

    Hate to break this to you Ed but almost every other team in the league gets their new players to sing a song.

    Lets not confuse “Pardwho”with “Man Management skills”

  • 5 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    Cazorla did “The Macarena” when he joined the Gooners

    Cazorla, 27, looked a bargain at £16m from Malaga and introduced himself at Arsenal by singing the Macarena at his initiation ceremony. He said: “Here the new signings always have to sing a song when they arrive at the club and so I had to do it the other day, just like ­everyone else. I did the Macarena. Yeah, I know that Juan Mata did the same song at Chelsea. It’s quite an easy song to do and people seem to like it!”

  • 6 toonicle // Feb 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    I will say I disagree with Pards a lot on him playing what seems to be his “favourites” in Jonas and some others at times, and to a lesser extent his tactics sometimes, but I have to say the guy does seem to be a great man manager. Can’t wait to see Gouffran, Sissoko, Debuchy and Mbiwa starting on the pitch together.

  • 7 nufc786 // Feb 18, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    Im pretty sure these guys didnt sing… for the lads instead pardew asked them why they chose the toon???? as stevie t said
    they all explained that they just wanted to be accepted by the group, give 100% to the team and promised not to let down the players and staff who were already there.”

  • 8 t00ntime // Feb 18, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    the fact that players come out and say AP has good man managment skills tells me that he does. People kept saying he was sh1t tactically and his man managment is poor. But he made ben arfa work alot harder for his place and now that he has it (most likely will get it back this weekend) he works his socks off every game (makes defensive errors but he does seem to try and get back now). Staylor is a man of his word if he thought AP lacked man management skills he would of said that, he doesnt kiss ar*e. Tactically is AP the best? no of course not, the best go to top clubs. but for a mid table team (probably) who want to aim for EL (with pretty much no trophy history) he is probably the best we can get. I dont think he is tactically inept like alot do. Sometimes he makes mistakes, sometimes he makes excuses but that doesnt mean he isnt good. (the excuses might just be infront of the press, infront of the players he might of never used the injury excuse, we dont know).

  • 9 catchy in norway // Feb 18, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    try telling the kids that he is a good man manager, he has slated them far to many times, and never once pointed the finger at players like shola, jonas, obertan, willamson, who were all in the teams with the kids,

    what i think pardew is , is a good bloke, a good friend,, that does not make him a good man manager,,

    sir boby robson was a good man manager, pardew couldnt lace his boots, in both running a team, or man managment

    SBR had players running though brick walls for him to get a win,

    pardew finds it very hard to motovate his team when they go a goal behind, infact it could be said that what ever he says to his team at half time sends them out more relaxed and end up losing from more winning situations

  • 10 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    So given all of that toontime why are we 16th in the league only 4 points above the drop ?

    Please dont mention the injuries as every club has them !

  • 11 catchy in norway // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:03 PM


    do you really think taylor would come out and say his boss lacks skills?? and hope he would have a future at the club??

    i dont,,

    not many player ever come out and say anything bad about any coach or manager,, i carnt remember one player coming out and point the finger at JFK, and we all no how bad he was

  • 12 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    “sir boby robson was a good man manager, pardew couldnt lace his boots”

    and yet this club sacked him Catchy ??? Just goes to show that people who run clubs have no idea how to run clubs :-(

  • 13 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    Catchy, the kids have not been good enough, sometimes players need a kick up the arse to stop them being complacent. Cloughy and SAF were and are not shy to put players in their place and if the players are good enough they got the correct response.

  • 14 catchy in norway // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM


  • 15 catchy in norway // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:12 PM


    i guess he got sacked by an idiot,, cos at the time i carnt remember to many fans wanting him out,,


    id play ferg over sammy and oberan every day of the week,
    tav over simpson

    pardew sent tav to gateshead to get first team football, hmmm gateshead,, how is he going to learn much there??

  • 16 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    Catchy is Sammy not one of the kids?
    Fergie has been poor and Tav was awful when he played. You will use any excuse to have a pop at Pardew . Funny how we never heard a peep from you after the Villa and Chelsea games.

  • 17 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    Tav was also sent to Carlisle Sheff Wed and MK Dons and by all accounts played well at the level. So far he has shown nothing to say he can make it at PL

  • 18 Tayls // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    Anyone know if I could get that France/Newcastle strip? Looks proper mint 😀

  • 19 Jail for Ashley // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    I haven’t totally thrown away the key with Ashley as I wanted nothing more last summer than to come on here and say fair play to him he’s got it right at last, but I just can’t bring my self to trust the pair of them, I said last year at the end of the window that the pursuit of these ‘targets’ we went after was a smokescreen to keep the fans onside, as usual the hardcore Ashley fans rubbished my claims and in January Dirk Llambias fairly proved me right in saying it was well thought out that we had enough in the squad with his statements to the local newspapers, I can put up with the mind games that deter other rivals in the transfer market but to be blatantly lied to time after time does not endear me to their regime.

  • 20 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    “Fergie has been poor and Tav was awful when he played. You will use any excuse to have a pop at Pardew . Funny how we never heard a peep from you after the Villa and Chelsea games”

    What were you expecting him to say after those two games ?? Pardwho must go ???

    Face it whatever you think about him, he’ll never win a trophy for us even if he stays eight years !!

  • 21 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    Andymac, as neither of us can see into the future we can`t say whether he will or won`t win anything. All we can do is look at what he has achieved. A 5th place finish and still in with a shout at th EL. Now he has genuine strength in depth with the squad performances and results have improved. If Mourinho came out and said it has always been his dream to manage Newcastle I would drop Pardew in a heartbeat but that is not going to happen is it. Why not look forward to what we can possibly achieve rather than wallow in such a defeatist attitude.

  • 22 Graeme // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    Tayls – go to – there is a direct link on their site

  • 23 reccerobbo // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    Tayls try a website called mate

  • 24 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:50 PM

    If Pardwho had a CV half as good as Jose I’d be happy to cut him some slack – but one Paint Trophy doesnt do it for me !!!

  • 25 Big Pappa Cissé // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    I wonder what Anita thinks of his man management skills ? . Has big Vurn been caught at it with Pardews wife or something ? , as the kid has been given the cold shoulder for no apparent reason.

  • 26 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 9:56 PM

    Andymac, sorry mate but you don`t get a say in who the manager is so you are just going to have to get used to it. You can choose to sit there saying how awful everything is and we will never win anything or you can have your misgivings and still hope for the best and show your support for the club. If you choose the latter that includes the manager. It`s that choice that constitutes your freedom, it is up to you how you choose to exercise that freedom.

  • 27 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:00 PM

    BPC Anita will get his games still. When you have lots of good options then somebody has to miss out. There will be other games when Tiote or Perch miss out. It`s a problem with all clubs with a strong aquad. I would rather have that than a situation where the team picks itself.

  • 28 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    “It`s that choice that constitutes your freedom, it is up to you how you choose to exercise that freedom”

    Ha ha the usual “If you dont like it support the Mackems routine”

    Why is it they always come up with that when they run out of arument ?

  • 29 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    that’ll be “argument”.

    Tequila tell me what it is about Pardwho and his career credentials that convince you he’s gonna win something here ???

    (Waits for the usual Ashley stooge material to appear)

  • 30 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:04 PM

    Andymac , I have no idea how you can construe what I said as go and support the mackems. I will make it simpler for you. You can choose to support your club by getting behind the players and manager or you can choose to “support” your club by wallowing in misery and assuming the worst along with the catchys. Frankly I don`t give a toss what you do.

  • 31 donkeypunch // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    name your top 15 newcastle manergers last 15 years

  • 32 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Andy I don`t have to give you any reasons for Pardews credentials. I choose to support Pardew because he is our manager and there is nothing I can do that will change that I have seen an awful lot worse than Pardew and I can see signs of progress, for me that is more than enough.

  • 33 Munster Mag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    tequila, not sure if we are in with a shout at all in the EL. We probably wont get past Ukraine, and there are far better teams than us in it. The UEFA cup is always a good competition with excellemt teams. Did you see the quality of Ath Madrid and Bilbao last season – they would have crucfied Newcastle, then and now.

  • 34 donkeypunch // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    make that 10 dont think we have had 15 last 15 years

  • 35 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    Munster, we probably won`t win it but while we are still in the competition we are in with a shout. Who would have thought Chelsea would win the CL last year against Barca. It`s not always the best teams that win cups, if it was there would be no point in playing the ties.

  • 36 valle // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    There was a big section of fans who wanted Bobby out, just like allot of you want Pardew out… You all think that the grass is greener on the other side, and dream of your favorite taking over, but the fact is that after a Bobby comes a Souness… Ill bet my last coin that some of the people screaming for AP’s head were also wanting Bobby out.

  • 37 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    “You can choose to support your club by getting behind the players”

    That is never in question but what is in question is how we allow those players to be administered by a nomark, talentless serial underachiever ?

  • 38 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:25 PM

    Andymac, again you miss the point. Your allowing does not come into it. You have zero say in the matter.

  • 39 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    Is this bullshlt bingo night ???

    ” Ill bet my last coin that some of the people screaming for AP’s head were also wanting Bobby out”

    If you dont like Pardwho then you run the risk of someone even worse coming in ???”

    Pardwho doesnt deserve to be at a top flight club – simple as. He has no history of winning things nor of buiding sides that later go on to win things.

    His only reason for being here is that he knows Llambias. Choke on that !!!.

  • 40 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Yeah right TM, you have no argument regarding Pardwho’s credentials and abilities yet you still pontificate and suggest that others have no right to voice their opinions.

  • 41 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Andy I think it is you who are choking on the fact that you don`t like the manager and your stuck with him. Another 7 years of misery for you mate.

  • 42 Ian Toon // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    Tequila- . It’s a shallow way of thinking but there are younger supporters who harbour feelings of being hard done by historically. Horizons are shorter and it’s all been pants. You had the 1969 triumph. Also everything is relative and for you a case could be made for this being a high spot given the dross you’ve had to endure
    Along the way.

  • 43 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    “Andy I think it is you who are choking on the fact that you don`t like the manager and your stuck with him. Another 7 years of misery for you mate”

    But not for you then ?? Tell me you’re not a Mackem WUM ?.

  • 44 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    Andy nobody is stopping you voicing your opinion but the fact remains your opinion counts for absolutely nothing as far as running the club is concerned just the same as me. I choose to accept that and go along for the ride.

  • 45 Ian Toon // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Tequila- In Shepherd’s subsequent defence for the sacking of SBR he cited the clamour on fan forums to justify the act. I have listened to fans claim that Shearer was also influential in proposing Souness as the solution.

  • 46 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    My 7 years of misery wont be that bad because I know this clown is not up to the job as his stints at West Ham, Charlton and Southampton have shown so far. I’m not expecting results because he’s shown no ability to achieve them.

    Yours will be the greater disappointment (assuming you’re not a Mackem WUM) because you’ll always be thinking “Maybe AndyMac was right” ??

  • 47 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Ian . evening mate. He may get a sense of perspective in time. Just seems to me he is making life way harder for himself than it needs to be. Looking forwrad to Thurs I have a good feeling we will still be in the hat for the next round.

  • 48 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    TBH Andy I will probably forget who you are by tomorrow.

  • 49 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    “Looking forwrad to Thurs I have a good feeling we will still be in the hat for the next round”

    I doubt that m8, I seriously doubt that !

  • 50 Magpies-till-d3ath // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    Sissoko’s farts would be beastly after Italian day! :)

  • 51 AndyMac // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    We’ll resume this discussion on Friday TM providing Alzheimer’s hasnt set in by then ?

  • 52 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    Ian, SBR should serve as a warning as to what can happen when we jump on the manager merrygoround.

  • 53 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    No problem Andy feel free to pester me whenever you like.

  • 54 Ian Toon // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:08 PM

    Tequila- Good evening to you. Carry on like this and you could well replace Jeremy Kyle-LOL. I fancy us to win as well . I just hope that Pardew goes for a strong team.

  • 55 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:19 PM

    Ian, feels more like Jerry Springer on here sometimes. I agree on the need for a strong team on thurs. I could see the sense in picking a weakened team in the group stages especially with the injury problems. Now we are in the knock out stages we should really go for it.Our Pl run in should hold no terrors for us and a good run in the EL will generate some much needed goodwill. I was only 6 when we won the Fairs cup so have no real memories of that. The first really good cup run I was going to SJP was 76 leage cup. The semi final at home was about the most intense atmosphere I can remember in the Leazes end and cemented everything I have always loved about being a Newcastle supporter.

  • 56 yo-yo // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:25 PM

    Back to the Pardew bashing now Catchy has come out from under his bridge ?


    Save the Mackem WUM insult for somebody who is a WUM and don’t spray your obloquy around too much – it tends to blow back

  • 57 Ian Toon // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    Yes. We had been humiliated in the 1974 final – Malcolm M had boasted of how many goals he would score. 1976 we lost 2-1 to Man City. Didn’t half the team have a virus during the week prior to the game. We had a strong nucleus of what today would be players who came through the academy. Moving on, next season with a large squad we could really give the League and FA cup a go. 2014 the year we win something . That’s for another day. Just think you will be able to put a rosette on your lurchers collar. Pleasant dreams indeed.-LOL

  • 58 jayphoto // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:34 PM

    Think pardews a pretty good man manager tbh! Hes transformed james perch (who was our worst player under hoots) , hes kept Colo here and playing despite him obviously wanting to be elsewhere!
    Not sure how many of you speak French but HBA has said numerous times in french press that Pardew is the first manager since his youth teams that inspires him to fight and to be better! He classes Pardew in his big plus points about NUFC!
    Regarding the youngsters, pardew was right to slate them, it wasnt lack of talent that saw them play poorly, sammy, fergie, abeid have lots of talent, it was poor effort, bad decisions and bad basics that saw them fail to seize their chance! If abeid had been playing under alex ferguson in that game against brighton he would never play for the club again, young or not!

  • 59 jimmysmith // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    Play your best most attacking 11 against both the bizarzely named Metalist and Saints Pards and damn the torpedoes.

    ( sent from the drab obscurity of my pathetic nondescript pulic service work cubicle)

    None the less, NO GUTS, NO GLORY, YOU HEAR ME PARDS, goddammnit all !!!!!!

  • 60 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Think people forget where we were just a few years ago.

    We have no divine right to be winning trophys, bringing in world class managers or anything alike.

    You want to be happy with a fifth place finish last season.

    We’re progressing and thats all that matters.

    Some people would hate for Pardew to win a trophy for the Toon on here. They would never live it down. Ridiculous some of the hatred, totally unwarranted. We all know he isn’t amazing but he’s the best we’re going to get its as simple as that.

    Don’t forget how far we have come this past few years.

  • 61 jayphoto // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    Lot of unrealistic fans lately, avoid this site on game days! We have an owner, chairman, manager and scout all on the same page happy to be working together! How many other teams have that? We now have a dream squad, many of the players signed were on all of our wish lists! We are also in the last 3 games playing carpet football.
    People like catchy, kets, andy etc wanted the following things:
    Willo and simmo dropped
    No more long balls
    A right back and centre back signed
    No more 4-4-2
    As far as i can see these boxes have all been ticked…..

  • 62 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    Ian Supermac was not short of confidence, misplaced in 74.
    Your correct the 76 team caught flu and Dennis tuert destroyed us. Was the start of a downward spiral that lasted for years. I do think we are in a good place at the moment. Just wish posters would chill out with the vitriol dished out to certain players and the manager. The PL is the most competitive in the world and we have no divine right to win every game.

  • 63 tequilamag // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    Gonna call it a night Ian. Problem making posts for some reason.

  • 64 ToonDownSouth // Feb 18, 2013 at 11:59 PM


    The whole “4-4-2 is a hoofball formation” campaign shows just how ignorant they all are to be honest.

    Liverpool didn’t seem to look too bad the other day when they played 4-4-2 and spanked Swansea.

    The idea that football matches boil down to 3 numbers sums up the naivety really.

  • 65 Toonacious T // Feb 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    Jay photo- all good points but the Jury will be out on Pards between now and the end of the season. I think he needs Cisse to start scoring and he will get another season. If he scrapes survival then maybe not. I am still not convinced but he has more options now and far less excuses so it is time to deliver wins.

  • 66 jimmysmith // Feb 19, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    I agree, with the right players, ie two wide men who can exploit the width, go inside or out to shoot or cross effectively, and two goalscorers whose styles compliment each other, then 442 is a really compelling way to set up the team.

    I’m afraid we haven’t had those players and still don’t as far as I can tell. Although we do now seem very well equipped to play 433.

    ( Caveat)
    As I wrote, I found my confidence flagging. Tactics has never been my strong suit, truth be told. I’ve always tended to overcompensate with blind faith and misplaced optimism. So suffice to say I could be wrong then.

  • 67 jayphoto // Feb 19, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    Remember Keegan and Robson playing lovely stuff with 4-4-2! Trick is playing a system that suits the players in the first team! 4-4-2 is all about partnerships and the link up between ba and cisse meant it never looked like working! It looked good with ba and shola but made us too direct.
    Would currently say our best players suit 4-3-3 but i would be very intetested now to see a 4-3-2-1 with a mid of anita, tiote and cabaye with sissoko and HBA behind the striker!
    Said it before, gouffran was best for bordeaux when playing central striker in a 4-3-3

  • 68 jayphoto // Feb 19, 2013 at 12:30 AM

    Coincidently, bourdeaux fans are up in arms that gouffran was sold! They are really missing him from their side, toothless without him

  • 69 89Norcal // Feb 19, 2013 at 12:35 AM

    @TDS #63
    Probably one of the best comments I’ve read in a while. Well said.

  • 70 manxpie // Feb 19, 2013 at 12:54 AM

    so catchy’s back and it turns into a pardew bashing unbelievable some of your views really!!
    did any 1 see ben arfa’s views recently where he’s realised he pretty much needed to grow up and learn there’s no i in team and i’d bet my house that pardew instilled that in him (remember when he couldn’t get in the team because of pardews “favourites” or was that very very good man-management?) btw arfa said he’s a much better player now but obviously not down to pardew!
    i’m actually very excited about the stability with pardew at the end of the day he’s a very young (in managerial terms) experienced manager and he seems like he likes to learn new things and lets face it where not gonna get a mourhino or wenger and now with wat looks like a new squad he’s got the tools he needs!
    we’ll stay up this season and i can’t wait to see wat this team can do next season!!
    and catchy fuuck off and when you get there fuuuck off again man!!

  • 71 beefman13 // Feb 19, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    442 can work no problem if you have two wide players who can cross a ball in to the box? surely meat and drink to a proffesional footballer who since the age of 4 that is all he has done kick a football around, they should be able to do it automatic.

    Yet our wide men are at this moment the worst i can ever remember at the toon for putting crosses in to the box, that dosnt include young fergie who was frozen out by Pardew ( criminal) he says he is the best crosser of the ball at the club one moment and then, gets frozen out while bloody jonas and obertan march on with no end product virtually all season, and fergie who has more assists then them both gets pulled out the whole squad. i wont forget DAVIDE SANTON FREEZING THE LAD OUT AGAINST SWANSEA AND WEST HAM HE GAVE FERGIE NO SERVICE OR BALL IN TWO GAMES, SURELY AP SAW THAT, YOU ARE A LEFT BACK SANTON AND FERGIE WAS YOUR FRONT MAN BUT YOU WERE TO SELFISH FOR YOUR OWN NEEDS, yes i like you getting forward but it was fergie dropping back to cover for you, and he did not get done once, unlike yourself v brighton v lua lua, virtually every time.

  • 72 manxpie // Feb 19, 2013 at 1:03 AM

    beefman tell me a player thats been good in the box from crosses since carroll then??

  • 73 manxpie // Feb 19, 2013 at 1:07 AM

    oh and by the way santon weren’t up against lua lua!!

  • 74 beefman13 // Feb 19, 2013 at 1:10 AM

    Manx, there is no i in team, then why not use more of our squad and stop citing fatigue in our players, AP has already played that card again yesterday, surely Jonas must realise that there is no i in team, anita and marveaux are to lads who need plenty of playing time on a consistant basis, they were both coming through lovely, then AP cuts the cord, and its back to square one, Anita cant even get a kick imo he is technically 50 per cent better than perch better engine and forward thinking, AP wont change beacuse it will hurt his precious ego if they deliver making it harder for him to get jonas back in to the team, i mean playing jonas right wing just to get him in to the team last week v metalist and one cross in the 980th minute, it is woeful.

    I really would love to know what is going through marv n anitas mind watching perch and jonas getting massive playing time every week, we have had a couple of good wins recently but not beacuse of jonas or perch for sure, cabaye and sissoko and gouffran have been the difference without doubt, and the return of saylor.

  • 75 beefman13 // Feb 19, 2013 at 1:11 AM

    Manx, lua lua done santon every time but once i can promise you that.

  • 76 beefman13 // Feb 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    Manx, Ba wasnt to bad from crosses but you can only get your head on the ball if it reaches you, i mean 268 corners, official since we last scored from one, nobody would believe that if it were not the truth, it must be a a record in every division in england, christ, williamson spends most of the game trying to clear headers he came up for every corner and the daft free kick to the far post every time, it was bloody comical.

  • 77 manxpie // Feb 19, 2013 at 2:12 AM

    so beefman perch plays in cdm and we win 2 games and you wan’t it changed because anita’s better technically maybe we won those games because pardew realised we needed more of a presence and a no nonsence mid that anita deffo does not have!!
    and use more of our squad players!?? hey?? ya mean the squad players we’ve played most of the season you mean and how well have we done?
    how many good games has marveaux played since he’s been here and especially on the wing??
    and who would you play on the right instead of jonas at this poin’t!!
    and i forgot dummit came on so sanno switched but i thought that was “most” fans wish for him to play rb?
    “that was his natural position”!
    he’s been our best performer this season btw and did you know hes the same age as fergie? so i know who i’d play!!
    and i’d bet that out of them 268 or wateva corners that they will count back to when carroll was ere and if ba was so good at bein a target man in the box we would have scored 1 in that time wouldn’t we??
    we’ve had a very small team for a long time especially with saylor out but with sissko n mbwia and goofy in the team where only gonna improve!
    i believe ashley, pardew, carr and this team we’re building there’s very good times ahead!!
    if we’d finished 10-14 last season there’d be none of this negativity that we’ve seen this season!!
    but with the squad we’ve got now with a couple of wingers in the summer there’s a hell of a team there that can really compete in a few comps and i can’t wait!

  • 78 RonVanDam // Feb 19, 2013 at 2:22 AM

    Heres a article on Ba describing as a Ligue 1 outfit. Pretty harsh

  • 79 joe // Feb 19, 2013 at 6:09 AM

    I think the problem with continental wingers is that from a young age they are told not to, or are not trained to cross. Seeing as most continental teams go for a single striker formation, the job of the wide player is to support the striker, and cut inside instead. This is why as long as we buy continental wingers they will never be good crossers. If we want good crossers, we go English. Simple as.

  • 80 check the toastie // Feb 19, 2013 at 7:02 AM

    Why do people try and compare sacking Parsnip to the sacking of Bobby Robson, truly thick.

    Sir Bobby Robson – Geordie heritage, loved the club, won trophies throoughout his career, managed internationally, a massive name in the game and a true gent.

    Please dont compare the two to try and back up some notion that sacking Pardew would have the same consequence, there are many managers out there, comparable to a journeyman like Pardew.

    Pardew’s shunning of technical smart footballers over grafters is concerning and if he does not embrace the talent in which Carr has presented him he will eventually be moved on.

    Jonas/Obertan/Sammy/Fergy>Marv, Perch/Badlyoutof Form Tiote> Anita.

  • 81 cyprus // Feb 19, 2013 at 7:25 AM

    Those are indeed nice touches, not sure what all that mixed food does to the body. But, what is more important is that AP (or someone in his staff) get the tactics and energy levels right. Surely, they know which of the 2 games is most important, so it’s that one they must get tactics/energy spot on. Excuses like ‘we were tired after the drama of Thursday’ or ‘we didn’t have enough time to prepare’ will translate to bad management.
    I was all for the Europa cup, really, but perspectives have changed dramatically, given our incredible slide. I’m really not sure AP (or maybe the players?) can handle two big games in a week, so big changes (i.e. different teams, even management) are necessary in the two.

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 7:30 AM


    I think we could manage two big games in 4 days….I think changing so many players between thursday and saturday has been our problem.

    Look at spurs, they change only 2-4 players for europe, those who are genuinely tired or carrying a knock.

    No reason we can’t start 7/8 of the best 11 and then hopefully get a couple goals which we should have had at home and then bring the really tired boys off.

    The flight won’t take it out of them so they may as well send a full team out to at least have a strong bench.

    I understand though if Pardew does rest a good 7/8 players….I don’t agree with it but I get why he will do it.

    If we made the champs league I wouldn’t want him to sending shola, perch, jonas, obertan etc out against barca and resting the others for the weekend so we might as well attack the europa league as well.

  • 83 cyprus // Feb 19, 2013 at 7:38 AM

    I agree, but, seeing our past games, AP tends to take his eye off the ball, or at least appears to do so. For instance, he talked of tired footballers in previous games, though in truth he’d used different teams!! We are not out of danger yet, in fact we are right in the thick of it. AP needs to analyse the death out of Soton, 24/7: past games, strategies, new coach, tactics etc.
    Unfortunately, and I mean that, Europa is a luxury for a relegation-threatened side. If Beardsley plays our 12 year olds I will not be complaining. Soton is the big game, we’ve unfortunately ended up this way.

  • 84 magpietillidie // Feb 19, 2013 at 7:47 AM

    We should easily be able to play 2 strong teams in 4 days debuchy and goofy cant play any ways so they can play sat if fit we have tiote n perch to pick from. The striker position picks its self even if cisse not 100% on form but we could play hadeira and move santon right back and rest a center half and play mbiwa just resting 3 to 4 players theres plenty options without disrupting the team to much

  • 85 Graeme // Feb 19, 2013 at 7:47 AM

    Cyprus, Pardeaux now has at his disposal, probably the strongest squad since “The Entertainers” – all he has to do is use it properly.

    There is no way a professional player cannot play 90 minutes on Thursday followed by 90 minutes on Sunday. They sleep on the plane coming back anyway and its not as if they are flying “Cattle Class” on Ryan Air or EasyJet. They will be on a private plane, fully pampered and looked after!!!

  • 86 bills-son // Feb 19, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    Jail, Llambias wasn’t going after fake targets or lying to us in the summer. We couldn’t get the targets we wanted at the price we were prepared to pay. They didnt want to sign for the sake of it because they thought the squad was strong enough to wait until the summer when the likes of Sissoko and Mbiwa were lined up. That was a mistake and boy did they correct that mistake last month. Ashley runs the club to a strict financial plan and whilst that can cause frustration for us fans it doesnt make him a liar when he does.

    Another two or three quality additions to this squad and we will have some team for next season. The buck ALWAYS stops with the guy at the top and Ashley has been the driving influence in shaping this squad albeit with the considerable scouting ability of Graham Carr. It was Ashley who insisted on signing quality young players near the end of their contracts at bargain prices.

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    I’m of the same opinion…rest 3/4 max….those who are really tired and need it. No need to worry somebody might become tired.

    We have a squad so we may as well use it….anita, marv, obertan etc…but we don’t have a squad like man utd where we can change 8/9 players and still be really strong…we can rest players.

    I don’t think we are out of trouble yet but we will be, no doubt about it we will survive relegation by 10 points or more in my eyes.

    I just want us to have a go at a cup…there is always some excuse…..”we are pushing for top 4/5 so need to rest people”…”we are too near relegation so must rest players”.

    I want a manager who says we will go for it…even if he changes 3/4 players still say you are going for it. Players like anita and marv aren’t back up….they are good players to rotate with the likes of sissoko, cabaye, tiote, etc.

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:06 AM


    I think Ashley has correct the problem he caused in the summer. Pardew said publicly he wanted a CB, a striker and a fullback (basicaly named debuchy and de jong)…so Ashley was aware that we needed players and as your rightly said made the mistake of not bringing them in.

    He has corrected the summer problem this january so he has passed that test.

    What is a big test for him is this coming summer. He needs to show he has learned from last year and strengthen with 2/3 good players again. Thats what all good teams do, move a few in and maybe let a couple fringe players go…improves the standard of the squad and keeps the players fresh and on their toes.

    I have no idea if he will or wont sign players so won’t judge until the end of august but hopefully he will get some players in.

  • 89 WWYCD // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:08 AM

    U lads do know Metalist Kharkiv and Southampton are different teams yeah? The lads train all week to combat each team individually that’s been our issue training has been split focus asking the squad to learn the ins and outs of 2 completely different teams its an issue which affects most teams in Europe (not to mention our injuries and lack of depth throughout this season) but hey don’t let it stop the Pardew bashing I know we’d all prefer someone with a foreign name in charge

  • 90 Graeme // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    Yo – so, basically the same as playing, say Wigan on Wednesday night away, Man Ure Saturday at home and maybe Everton away the following Wednesday??

    Its something they do every single week of the season mate and its not brain surgery, Other than a bit further to travel – what exactly is the difference to 3 Prem games in 7 or 8 days??

  • 91 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM


    I agree with you we prepare for two different teams….but the problem for me is changing our whole team for each game…..means there is no rhythm….look at spurs….much better team early season that us but they only made 2/3 changes for europe…..(this is the experience of AVB who won league and europa league with Porto so knows what he is doing in that comp).

    I think injuries and small squad was our main problem early season, not so much the europa league getting in the way.

    And yes you need to prepare for two teams but thats just little details, set pieces, man marking certain players etc….it shouldn’t cause too much confusion.

  • 92 cyprus // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    10 points safe?! Hope so! That roughly means 50 points, i.e. 23 points in 12 games, i.e. 7 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses. That’s some run, but I do hope you are right. I see us grinding out lots of draws… and the points don’t pile with those. Hope I’m wrong.

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:20 AM


    It’s hard to say really…’s just what I think looking at our run in.

    I think the team staying up will do so with 35/6 points this year so we will be around the 48/50 mark.

    Purely speculation like so I could easily be miles off.

  • 94 WWYCD // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:20 AM

    Throughout most of the season its 1 game a week and when games start to tot up over 7-14 days all managers start complaining how its hurting their team

    I don’t disagree but Pards hasent been in Europe before he’s learning (as everyone said he would at the beginning of the season). As for the squad changing we are still in Europa League and we nearly topped the group so we didn’t suffer much from the changes our problems have come from our strongest 11 who played in the PL

    And aye its probably not that much they need to learn but footballers aren’t known for being intelligent

  • 95 cyprus // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:22 AM

    To give a little perspective, in 26 games, won 7. In 12, now, we’ll win 7? It’s a tad optimistic, even with our additions.

  • 96 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    Local rag – Journal reporting Benni’s back in training and raring to go-
    If so I would take him to Metalists and if game 0-0 or 1-0 to Metalists I would bring him on to run at them and maybe get a goal to win the tie.
    It would also get him in the swing of things for the Southampton game.

  • 97 cyprus // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    Re Europa league, 8 out of 18 main bookies have us at 50 to 1 (!), a clear indication of our chances. We are, as they say, playing against all odds.

  • 98 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:29 AM


    Oh yeh, I can forgive pardew a few mistakes here and there…as long as he learns from them and doesn’t make them too often.

    Managers today rarely get a chance so I don’t mind us sticking with Pardew…could do better but could do a lot worse so it’s only fair he gets a crack now he has a good squad which he wanted.


    Well since the new boys we won 2 in 3 so a good start….unlucky not to take anything from spurs too.

    We already look much better than we did at the start of the season. I think it is optimistic and might not happen but no reason it can’t.

  • 99 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM


    Obviously we are against it….have some good teams in in…chelsea, athletico madrid, ajax, spurs, zenit…it won’t be easy thats for sure.

    But in a knock out competition anything is possible….what were the odds on the league cup final being contested by swansea and bradford? much higher than 50-1 i imagine. Anything can happen in cup football.

  • 100 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:33 AM


    Sammy Ameobi mentioned that on twitter yesterday too….depending on how fit he is i would also have him in ukraine….give him 20 mins to get into his flow again.

    Purely depends on his fitness though, I wouldn’t risk him.

  • 101 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    Transfer Sage
    If he has had no reaction to back into full training
    Deffo – take him to the Ukraine and give him twenty minutes or so.
    Up and running for Southampton game and maybe give him 45 minutes against Southy
    Should get him up to speed for the rest of the season

  • 102 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:45 AM

    Just saw the video of Cashleys dive at Brentford…

    I doubt even the Master of Diving, Ronaldo could have done a better dive then that.

  • 103 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:53 AM


    Yeh….if he is fine he needs minutes to get himself right….just ease him back in over the next 2 games I think then unleash him after.

  • 104 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Feb 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM

    Transfer Sage

    We’ll make football mangers yet!!!!!

  • 105 Transfer Sage // Feb 19, 2013 at 9:08 AM


    If only….i’d take doing a poor job at chelsea and getting my 10mil pay out haha.

  • 106 geordielad880 // Feb 19, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    On thursday I would go for:-





    And against southampton:-



    ben arfa—————————————————-gouffran

    I think we could win both games, with those sides, and it keeps things pretty fresh with a few changes, without changing too much, and ben arfa is back in training!!!

  • 107 Rotonda heights // Feb 19, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    I’m not Pardew bashing but all I want to know is what exactly his fans base their faith on him on, given his exceptionally average CV to date.

    In 13 years he’s won the Johnson Painter trophy, had 2 promotions and 1 relegation I believe, plus 3 sackings and 2 worst runs in both West ham’s and NUFC’s history. We are currently 16th. We came 5th last season.

    I think it is brilliant the way Carr has brought in all these French players and if Pardew had a hand in that too, then fair play to him.

    Personally I find Pardew a total enigma. He’ll do some great things but then he’ll do equally bizarre things and press the self-destruct button when caution and ego get the better of him. I guess those flaws are what has stopped him otherwise ever really hitting the heights.

    I guess the question is will they continue to do so?

  • 108 nufc 11 // Feb 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    Fergie, Sammy and Vuckic wen he comes back need a whole season in the Championship or SPL thts the only way a propber judgment can be made on them at least they will be a bit more seasoned wen they come bk a year in the reserves is not worth a toss.

  • 109 AndyMac // Feb 19, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Ed, this doesnt deserve a 109 post position but IMHO you need to begin a whole new thread based upon Rotonda Heights key question.

    “I’m not Pardew bashing but all I want to know is what exactly his fans base their faith on him on, given his exceptionally average CV to date.

    In 13 years he’s won the Johnson Painter trophy, had 2 promotions and 1 relegation I believe, plus 3 sackings and 2 worst runs in both West ham’s and NUFC’s history. We are currently 16th. We came 5th last season”

    Whenever Pardwho apologists turn up the one thing they all appear incapable of understanding is that Pardwho has won nothing !

    Yet when pressed about his ability to win trophies for the Toon they have nothing to offer in defence of their hero.

    Pardwho’s won nothing so why should he break the habit of a lifetime at NUFC ?

    The best he can offer is to pay off his gambling debts with Del the blood sucking vampire however where does that leave the Toon Army ?

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