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Carroll Too Expensive For West Ham – Newcastle Move In?

1:51 am, Wednesday, March 6th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 94 Comments

News in the Sun today that West Ham have decided not to try to bring former Newcastle United striker to Upton Part permanently in the summer, because he is just too expensive.

ndy carroll west ham

Andy Carroll at West Ham

Andy has been on loan at West Ham all season, and the Hammers have a clause where they have first choice and can buy him for £17M in the summer, but it’s doubtful if Liverpool can get anywhere near that figure, for the player they bought from Newcastle for a massive £35M just over two years ago.

A West Ham source had this to say to the Sun:

“The move for Carroll is just too expensive.” “In the current economic climate, £17M plus £84K-a-week over four years would add up to around £33M and we need to cut our cloth.”

Both manager Alan Pardew and Managing Director Derek LLambias are known to be keen on getting Andy back on Tyneside, and West Ham’s apparent exit from the bidding could leave the door open for Newcastle to get him back for a reasonable price of around £10M.

Andy has scored only three goals in 14 appearances this season, and has been out with injury too much, and there’s also his wages, which are £84K/week according to the West Ham source, but the only way Andy can keep getting wages that high is if he stayed at Liverpool for the three years left on his contract.

But manager Brendan Rodgers has made it clear there is no future for Andy at Liverpool, and he recently brought in striker Daniel Sturridge in January from Chelsea, and the Reds will try to sell Carroll to the highest bidder this summer, and they will hardly want to sell him back to Newcastle at a £25M loss in just thirty months.

But that may be Liverpool’s best option, and Newcastle need to bring in a fourth striker this summer, after Loic Remy decided to play for bottom club QPR in January for ridiculously high wages.

We wouldn’t be too surprised id Newcastle make an attempt to get Andy back to Newcastle, and the club wants hungry players, and local lad Andy will be out to prove he’s much better than Brendan Rodgers rated him at Liverpool.

It could happen, and Andy would certainly welcome the move back to Tyneside, but the Magpies will only pay around £10M for the Gateshead-born striker, and he would have to take a drop in wages too.

And Newcastle fans seem divided on whether we should bring the 6’3″ striker back to Newcastle, with 46% for the move, and 46% against the move, with the rest undecided.

What do you think?

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94 responses so far ↓

  • 1 RonVanDam // Mar 6, 2013 at 2:57 AM

    Would pay 7m max @ 40kpw. 10m is still too much for a injury prone striker and a player who wont match our style of play.
    Pardew has toned down his hoofball style. AC would help us during corners and against teams that play alot of ground ball.
    AC’s best attributes are: Height and powerful headers.

  • 2 workyticket // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Liverpool would rather throw him on a bonfire than sell him back to Newcastle for £10 million after what Llambias said about them. If Liverpool were willing to reduce their fee by that much and Carroll was willing to reduce his wage demands, it would be to another club like West Ham, any club but Newcastle United.

  • 3 RonVanDam // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    For tomorrows game i would start:
    Elliot

    Debucey – Taylor – Mbiwa – Haidara

    Tioti – Anita

    Arfa – Cabs – Sissoko

    Gouff

    Game subs: Marv for Arfa, Cisse for Gouf, Santon for Tioti

    Elliot will need cover at the back due to lack of high level experience.
    Will brng above subs will add pace in attack in the final 20 against the tired opposition, Change formation to: 4-1-4-1. Santon joins in as a attacking LW. I think we could surprise Anzhi

    Elliot

    Debucey – Taylor – Mbiwa – Haidara

    Anita

    Marv – Cabs – Sissoko – Santon

    Cisse

  • 4 RonVanDam // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    workyticket

    Agree. Wont be good PR for L’pool to sell AC back to us at a 25m(+) loss. Could get him for free if he decides to sit out his contract which i highly doubt

  • 5 Novocastrian66 // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    Ron. Goufran is cup tied.

  • 6 RonVanDam // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    Novocastrian66

    I guess Cisse plays the who 90mins lol. No room for Shola.

  • 7 Tuna // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:35 AM

    When QPR go down, we’ll snatch Remy off ‘em. Much prefer that.

  • 8 AmericanGeordie // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:37 AM

    I would definitely take him back. He’d give us a different option up front with his aerial dominance and hold up play.

    I also think RonVanDam has the numbers exactly right: £7M transfer, £40k/week wages.

    The key fact that everyone misses is that Carroll holds the cards on his move, not that prick Rodgers.

    Liverpool recruited AC with the big wages (assume £80k/week), and he is entitled to it. He’s not obligated to go anywhere and Liverpool must pay him £12.5M over the next 3 years. If Rodgers wants him off the books, they may have to take NOTHING for him! (Man City is paying every penny of the transfer fee they received from Spurs to supplement his wages!)

    Here’s the deal: we pay £6M for him, and £40k/week. Liverpool pays the other £40 per week for the remaining 3 years to make AC whole on his contract. It’s a really win/win/win deal (though BR is loathe to admit it).

    Newcastle gets a 24 year old full English International, Geordie born &bred striker for £6M + 40/week.

    Carroll gets to come home to the scene of his greatest success with a chance to redeem himself. Plus he keeps all the earnings he’s entitiled to for the contract he signed to leave the Toon.

    Liverpool save £12.5M by getting AC off the books (even if they ultimate give up the transfer fee supplementing his wages).

    The reason Carroll holds the cards to this deal is that he doesn’t have to play anywhere but Liverpool. If he insists on a transfer only to the Toon, Liverpool has no choice but to sell him under the terms outlined above, or let him rot on the bench at a cost of £12.5M!!!

    Bring the big lad home!

  • 9 mohtoolz // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:47 AM

    AmericanGeordie said it.

    I would love to see him comeback.

  • 10 Novocastrian66 // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:52 AM

    Ron. I think Cisse may sit this one out and Shola start.

  • 11 RonVanDam // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    Just a random thought. It’s been a while since pardew has played 4-4-2

    Looks like he’s got a new favourite formation in 4-2-3-1 which seems to work alot in our favour.

    Wouldnt mind playing 4-3-3 against stoke. Cisse is not strong enough to battle Ryan Shawcross and co on his own if we play 4-2-3-1

  • 12 davo // Mar 6, 2013 at 4:18 AM

    Right on the money there American.

  • 13 davis_toons // Mar 6, 2013 at 4:42 AM

    When QPR go down, we’ll snatch Samba ‘em.as well

    …and what make Newcastle Utd get Carroll back at a lower cost then other clubs?

    –and what makes Carroll comes back on a lower wages

  • 14 pbandj // Mar 6, 2013 at 4:50 AM

    Im pretty sure Pool will just keep loaning Carroll out. I really cant see them take 7 mil for him. I think they would need at least 12. Better option for them to loan him out an hope he finds success with another premier league club so his stock goes up again. But knowing how keen pardew is on Carroll I can see us dish out 12-15 mil pounds for him.

  • 15 RedMissionBells // Mar 6, 2013 at 5:58 AM

    To be honest, I am very concerned whenever there is speculation of Newcastle United wanting to purchase Andy Carroll. I have said this many times and will say it again.

    1) Having played 1/2 a season of top flight football with us, the lad was sold for 35 million pounds. It is the best deal in our club’s history, and probably the worst in Liverpool’s.

    2) Having made a huge profit from the Andy Carroll deal, why do we want to revisit the idea of buying him when we can invest in better strikers out there ? Even Shane Long is a more accomplished striker than Carroll. Also, Michu is a good case study. It shows there are strikers out there who we can buy on the cheap and still reap great rewards.

    3) Just because he is a local lad does not mean we need to bring him home. Please put all of that aside. Our goal is to win football matches.

    4) Andy Carroll is strong in the air. However, that is not the way in which we play these days. With Sissoko, Gouffran, Arfa, Cisse, Cabaye & Marvuex around, we are more technical these days. Carroll will not get into our first team.

    5) 3 goals in 17 matches for West Ham is NOT good returns.

    Those of you who think Carroll should return, please explain why – Logically.

  • 16 Santon03 // Mar 6, 2013 at 6:36 AM

    I dont mind having AC back, but only if there are no other options left in the market.
    Anyway first thing we need to change is tactics. Right now it’s like play the best 11 and hope for the best.

  • 17 check the toastie // Mar 6, 2013 at 6:45 AM

    Santon – by definition of trying too change something, you have to have something to change in the first place, no style of football and no odea of how the team is going to evolve as a unit.

    As you say, pick some good players, get them to work as hard as possible and lets hope something comes off, our success from corners and set pieces tell you all you need to know about how well we are being coached.

    And when will people firstly realise that Debuchy and Goofy are ineligable and two Simpson should not be starting matches for us. If he starts in front of Anita full back, Pardew should once again be sacked on the spot.

    It goes to show how deluded our fans are when less than 30% think we will get beat in Moscow. Realists they are not.

  • 18 Santon03 // Mar 6, 2013 at 6:49 AM

    I read previous thread that many criticise Santon defending and Swan’s goal was his mistake. I’m sorry I disagree with that. MYM missed the header and the ball dropped on Santon’s shin in a split secondand it rebounded MYM again, how is that his fault?
    Santon is attacking wing back just like any other Italian wb or Debuchy, when you have these type of players on your team then you’ll need good DM(s) to cover their positions. You can’t expect them to get back so fast especially when he already made a run forward and the other players lose the ball. I think some of you guys and AP need to watch how Italian teams play or Barca or Real. Especially Italian teams, they have good DMs who can switch position in the game into sweeper, when they lose the ball these DMs will do anything to win it back or stopped the play anyway possible.

  • 19 one Tony Green // Mar 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM

    AC seems to have problems with fitness that IMO is he main Achilles heal. He is undoubtedly fantastic in the air but his game on the deck is better than he is given credit for.
    Would we want him back yes along with PEA as Shola is getting on now.
    HWTL

  • 20 Santon03 // Mar 6, 2013 at 6:57 AM

    Check

    I think most of the 70% are hoping to win, not 100% sure that we will win, jut hoping. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
    I agree with you that our set pieces are awful. If we can utilise set pieces like corner or free kicks better, we will have bigger chance to win a game.
    I still believe with different manager and sam squad, we will be doing a lot better than now.
    This season, I’m just happy not to get relegated, hopefully wit a lot of luck we could reach europa final or winning it, but again must be done with extremely huge luck.

  • 21 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:00 AM

    Hope not. Carroll = step back.

  • 22 Santon03 // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:07 AM

    the weakness in our best 11 is Tiote imo. He always kicking people and commit unnecessary fouls when the team is not under any danger with yellow card as result.
    He needs to play smarter because he is already in ref’s radar and they are itching to give him yellow or red card.

  • 23 dmac // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:21 AM

    Please do not be blinded by the fact the lad is a Geordie. He has shown that it means very little to him ( moving, transfer request and trying to cheat a penalty against us) He would be a massive step backwards. He doesnt possess the quality needed to push this club forwards.

  • 24 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    A West Ham source had this to say to the Sun:

    “The move for Carroll is just too expensive.” “In the current economic climate, £17M plus £84K-a-week over four years would add up to around £33M and we need to cut our cloth.”

    So where the hell do posters like American Geordie get the idea that liverpool will ask for that from west ham but when the toon come knocking they will go yeah of course you can have for £6-7 mil why not! Infact why don’t we throw in reina and agger aswell!

    Get real WHU are just haggling the price down, and there welcome too him
    Shit player with no ability on the deck other than lying on it whinging like a little girl looking for free kicks, what a plan b that is!

  • 25 iggystinger // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    Dont bring him back hes a f****n donkey not good enough for the direction our clubs wanting to head in, for the money they want for carroll we could bring in well better quality

  • 26 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:32 AM

    I sure most do not remember me, as I have not really posted much in the last year. Why? Well back then it was all about the MA hate and constant negativity. I have continued to read and of course as most of us know its all about the Pardew hate now, so not really to much has changed.

    Most people on here are able to express themselves and debate in a reasonable manner even when disagreeing on things, but a few (Catchy, Check, Robin to name a few) cannot have a discussion about anything without bringing Pardew and their undying hate for him into a conversation along with “sack Pardew” see post #17 above.

    Now before the whole “I can say what I want” and “I’m entitled to my opinion” and the ever famous “If you don’t like what I post don’t read it” starts, I just want to say yes you can post whatever you want…..but so can I and I am going to.

    Those of you who can’t post without blaming Pardew for something or having to say he should be sacked in every other post can go F$%k yourselfs. You add absolutely nothing to this blog and are complete and total stupid @ss F@$ks.

    Let me ask those of you who fall into that category a simple question. Are you an EPL or any other top flight league manager?? No your not. Do you attend training everyday?? No you don’t. So why on earth do you f@#king tw@ts think you know more than everyone else including Pardew and the rest of the coaching staff? Your problem is you are so delusional in thinking you know more than anyone else about the game…that in turn when Pardew doesn’t do what you want your cry like little babies that he should be sacked.

    I mean heaven forbid someone who won both manager of year awards last year actually know more than you do….but I know, he didn’t really deserve it. Just like SAF, AVB, Mancinni etc would have us in the top five with our injury riddled lineup. I’m sure all of you would have done a much better job….that’s why your posting on a blog instead of actually coaching in the EPL.

    So yes you are entitled to continue to post your stupid @ss crap all over the blog just like I can rant at your stupid @ss crap.

    Rant over.

  • 27 TorqToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:35 AM

    I would ONLY take him back at a fraction of the fee Liverpool will want and slash his wages in half.

    Personally I don’t think he is as bad as people make out, but he is nowhere near a £17mil player.

    The only way this will happen is if the fee is cut substantially, and it will be a deal that MA will take control of and get sorted. He would love to have him back at a fraction of what they paid us.

    Still can’t see it happening – personally I think Liverpool would rather sell him to ANYBODY other than us!

  • 28 TorqToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    Florida – Nice multiple use of the @ symbol my friend! :-)

    Have to agree though, the constant pardew hate really grinds on me!

  • 29 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    Torq

    I really used to like being on here and use to post daily but just can’t take the constant hate.

  • 30 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    Torq…How’s your trip going? Do you have PEA signed up on a pre contract yet? Failing that, have you cleared out some space for him in your suitcase and stocked up on chloroform? :)

    Florida…Good morning. Do you feel better now? Haven’t seen a rant like that on here for a while, bravo.

    On Carroll…… AAAJUGHYUGHLKJQWfFGHU£NWBWHW….Why again? Come on, we have the summer to play this game, not now. Plllleeeeaaassee.

  • 31 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    Ibiza

    I do feel better. Thanks. But on topic…AC only if around 8 mil and low wages…. less than 45K.

  • 32 mindshaft // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    no idea why we keep regurgitating this story, we won’t pay 17m or 80k+ wages, if he goes for 7-10 million and halves his wage demands then west ham will take him as they have first option
    I don’t want him back, there are much better options out there, he’s basically become an overpaid injury prone low scoring striker – anyone thinking he’s suddenly going to become England’s number 1 is deluded and should check themselves into St George’s – we’d be better off buying cole, anichibe or any other mediocre striker than Carroll

  • 33 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    Florida….At the right price and wages I’d be more than happy to see AC back. Everyone says it will just be a step backwards, but I don’t think that’s the case really. It just gives us another option. Now if he was coming back to be our main ST week in week out I’d be less thrilled, but as a Shola upgrade too right I’d have him back.

  • 34 mindshaft // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    @FloridaToon + 1

  • 35 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    Ibiza

    My thinking exactly. Always liked him, was gutted when he was sold.

  • 36 Tsunki // Mar 6, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Florida – :D :D :D

    Ed – the time may be right for a ‘Pardew to stay or go for next season?’ article. On 2nd thoughts, no, no don’t :|

  • 37 davis_toons // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    to answer the question..AC with the big wages (assume £80k/week)
    -Is stated £84k/week by west ham.

    Will depends on AC HIMSELF, will he want to half his wages?

    AC can any time ask TO BE LISTED if he find it hard to stay on even with his wages.

    Even then will poo accept a lower bid from US?

    Until his contract runs out, i don’t think AC wants his salary to be adjusted. Its a fact of a modern footballer.

    Esp in England when taxes are high.

  • 38 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying Pardew is perfect, cause he’s not. He has made mistakes in the past and I am sure he will make some more…all managers do.

  • 39 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    Florida…I’m also not convinced that he’s “lost” whatever it is we all thought we saw. I get he’s been nowhere near as good as he was for us at either Liverpool or West Ham and I probably am being a sentimental fool, I’m at least open to the idea of that, but I do think the whole way it worked out and then the amount of the transfer fee plus expectations etc got in his head. I do think a return to Newcastle would be just what he needs. Guesswork of course.

    Talking of being a sentimental prat..I definitely am one. Why the hell did I care about Man Utd last night? Normally I’d think I’d take joy in seeing them miss out but I can’t shake the feeling there were robbed…robbed I tell ya! :)

    Anyway, enough about those w@nk*rs.

    Tsunki…Shhh…what you playing at? ;)

  • 40 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    davis_toons

    I disagree. I think AC would come back to us with reduced wages. I think the boy wants a chance to prove his worth again and where better than his home town club.

  • 41 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Ibiza

    The best part wahs SAF’s reaction when the red card came out. Looked like he had been shot in the bum.

  • 42 Tsunki // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Carroll. Ok then – £10m or less for a prospect which is how you would look at him. As a ROI a very good punt if you think NUFC can reignite his game, which I think by now is virtually the only team that could. We could do with his power and strength, IF we could resurrect it, which is why we have held on to Shola and let Best, Lover go. I think Liverpool would draw a line and let him go anywhere as long as he went. Its not that he is suddenly a poor talent, its that they have ruined his head. Can we fix that? Yes we can! ;)

  • 43 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:09 AM

    Florida…I would be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy watching him shuffle his purple face down to the touch line flapping his arms.

    So then, apparently the issue is reckless play by Nanis leg being too high. Does that mean overhead kicks aren’t allowed anymore?

    Tsunki…Agree completely about Carroll. I do also take note of peoples comments that if they have to cut down his price that Liverpool will try and sell him to another club before they let us re-sign him. But at some point they’re going to have to cut their losses and surely they know that.

  • 44 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    Ibiza

    Not sure if it was that his leg was too high, I think it had more to do with the studs going straight to the chest. I don’t believe it was intentional and maybe a yellow would have been more appropriate, but I would be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy things not going SAF way.

  • 45 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM

    as a fan of that wee little club in the northeast.

  • 46 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    Florida…I suppose I am not up to date with my knowledge to know for sure, but it did seem harsh to me.

    Anyway, before I’m accused of being a manc, god forbid, we should move on :)

    Game tomorrow…man I’m getting excited now.

  • 47 bills-son // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:15 AM

    LPool have really screwed up on AC.

    By making it clear he didn’t want him Rodgers immediately devalued AC’s worth and loaning him to a newly promoted team was a risk. LPool needed AC to bang in a good few goals to justify the £17M agreed fee – knowing that if he struggled his value would fall well below the 50% loss they’d already advertised they would accept. AC’s poor showing at West Ham is a disaster for LPool and imo AC is worth no more than a £7M punt for any club but he wont get anywhere near £80K wages – £45K at best I reckon.

    Should we sign him? Got to say I haven’t ben impresed with him at all and whilst he may come good again he is a big gamble. If he hadn’t had that storming half season in the Prem with us we wouldn’t touch him with a bargepole. To get the best out of AC you have to set the team up to play to his strengths and his strengths aren’t good enough to justify that.

    I wouldn’t sign him.

  • 48 Santon03 // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    Florida

    No, I’m not a manager so are you. So.. we don’t know if you are right too. I’m in that category who doesn’t like AP, but I’m not in hate MA category, never did.
    I like how Swansea or Lazio play under their manager, I like Soton or Wigan too. I’m pretty sure that we have better squad quality and probably bigger before we bought 5 french players than those teams. I’m not comparing us to big teams. I know Lazio, they dont have superstars and most of their players are old, they only have Mauri and Hernanes as superstars, I’m pretty sure most of you didn’t know who they are, but they played very good style of football.
    Anyway are you satisfied with the way we play the whole 90mins? I’m not asking to have the ball all the time here. Even Tiote admitted Sawnsea play like Barca with lesser squad quality.

  • 49 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    Santon03

    Of course I’m not. My post isn’t about right/wrong, its about opinon and debate. I have absolutely no problems with people who disagree with starting lineups or substitutions etc. That’s what blogging is about. But to say a manager should be sacked no matter what he does is just ignorance.

    Am I happy? Compared to the play earlier in the year….I’m delighted. Do I think we can get better…yes.

    As I said earlier, Pardew is not perfect, but I bet if he had ManCity’s team he would be doing just as well as Mancinni is right now.

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:28 AM

    Bills,
    Both strikers in that night of madness haven’t come out good just shows not all players can deal with a price tag like that, unlike the worlds most expensive Alan Shearer.

  • 51 gaz 44 // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    Id rather have carrol than cisse right now.. Cisse can’t hold up a thing n loses posession .. Just cos we’ve a big lad up front doesn’t mean we have to play long ball.. Give us that option when were under kosh abit but it should be Bout getting the right sort of crosses in..
    id much rather have a striker in the same boat as falcao but its not gonna happen lol.. He is the best we can get in the current situation.. Id say 13mill max and a max of 55k a week too thou

  • 52 darrenfletcher88 // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:33 AM

    Anyone selling two tickets for Sundays game???

  • 53 Jail for Ashley // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:38 AM

    Was AC playing the last time we scored from a corner by any chance.

  • 54 magpie6699 // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    Florida – clearly Pardew is a crap manager – after all that’s what his fellow managers thought last season. And it was clearly his fault also that Cabaye hit the bar and others missed good chances last Saturday.
    As others have said, he’s not perfect, not even great, but he’s OK and sacking him would put us back on that merry-go-round of appointing truly mediocre or (more likely) rubbish managers again. The players (Cabaye etc) seem to rate him. And no, we are not going to get Mourinho, Guardiola or even Laudrup in his place. Let’s shut up with the constant drone “Sack Pardew” – it’s boring! Meanwhile, I think we’ll be lucky to get a draw.
    One point that may not be appreciated about the game: I know we are all aware that Anzhi have to play their Europa games away because of crowd trouble – but did you realsie that Moscow is over 1,000 miles away from Makha chaka whatsit? Wonder how many fans they will have? Not like the “Heed having to play at Hartlepool!!

  • 55 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    magpie6699

    Don’t forget it was his fault that Cabaye’s corners were crap all game too.

    I appreciate the sarcasm though.

  • 56 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    Think your right bills-son even at £10 mil would be a huge gamble based on if buts and maybes, personally think the lads lost it, think he’s been so unimpressed with him at WHU
    Personally if we were going for a target man we’re being linked with bony for the same price no brainier for me

  • 57 Jail for Ashley // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    I find it funny the amount of fans who claim to dislike Pardew but support Mike Ashley, it was Mike Ashley that hired him then gave him an un precedented eight year contract, and the very same Mike Ashley who hung him out to dry in last summers transfer window.

  • 58 IITianToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    I believe if we score first, we will get a result.
    I think our team is as good as theirs. So in front of a paltry crowd, no reason to think of it as an ‘away’ tie. Get the first goal, silence the little noise that there may be, and then control the rest of the match.

  • 59 nufcjohn56 // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    magpie6699
    anzhi got around 12,000 for their last game v hannover and 15,000 for the liverpool game, so seeing as the stadium holds 78,000 its going to look pretty sparse on thursday as only 70 nufc fans have so far bought tickets.

  • 60 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    The good thing about Carroll is I reckon he’ll try 100% for his hometown club. I don’t believe he really wanted to leave in the first place, but business is business…

    I’d rather sign Grant Holt from a performance perspective, but Carroll is younger and he’s a Geordie.

    I don’t think he’d get a huge number of minutes with us, but it would be great to have him as an option against weaker teams in the air, or when defenders tire.

  • 61 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:16 AM

    I’m also really looking forward to Ben Arfa being back!Goofy and Ben Arfa either side of Cisse, with Cabaye and Sissoko supporting them and Tiote/Anita providing defensive cover…very nice!

    Just wish Cisse could be a bit more clinical with the straightforward chances…

  • 62 Graeme // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Just because Shola reached his “Sell By” date many years ago, yet still managed to get his contract extended each time it comes up, doesn’t mean we need to swap one donkey for another.

    In fact, given his longevity, Bambi could still be at Toon another few years (He must have one hell of an agent) in which case we would end up with two donkeys instead of only the one we have now.

    The only way the bindippers will get anywhere near their asking price for donkey 2 would be to raffle him!! Maybe they could pretend he was really beef and not donkey at all.

  • 63 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    Graeme…I understand Tesco are looking to use more British meat these days….

    I really can’t see Shola being here beyond next season, really I can’t. Realistically we need two new ST’s minimum and personally I’d be more than happy with AC plus one of the names being branded about like PEA etc. I mean we need a player that divides opinion otherwise life would become seriously dull ;)

    DarnSarf…Can’t wait to see Benny with the new players…should be some good stuff to watch.

  • 64 FloridaToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    graeme

    While I agree that Shola is past his prime, something needs to be said about professionlism, leadership and the proper way for a footballer to act. Some things just don’t have a pricetag.

  • 65 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM

    I don’t agree with the Shola bashing though. He’s another player who always tries 100% for the club. Sure, I’d like to have 3 world class strikers ahead of him like Utd or Citeh, but that’s not where we are as a club now.

    Cisse, Goofy, one other and Ameobi…that would suit me. Shola has never let us down, scored several goals against the mackems and scored a penalty last week. I’d rather have Shola than Martins, Andreas Andersson, Tommasson, Guiv’arch, Ranger, Smith…

  • 66 Santon03 // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    JFA

    it’s the same with other business, can you blame the owner of hiring manager? it’s his manager who is doing all the works to manage a company, if the owner has to do all the works then what’s the point hiring a manager. Owners investing money based on last year reports and plan for next year, none of us knew what kind of reports given to MA.

  • 67 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    Santon…I think his point is not the initial hiring of Pardew, but the eight year contract that followed and then the “non-backing” of the manager in the summer. It would seem clear that Ashley is happy enough with Pardew, so if people are unhappy with Pardew, surely they should be unhappy with Ashley and his decision, at least as far as his appointments are concerned?

  • 68 North Atlantic Magpie // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    I don’t want Carroll to come back. I don’t want us to play hoofball. Stay far away from Newcastle, Carroll!!!!

  • 69 Jail for Ashley // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    Santon,
    You can blame an owner who’s manager performs particularly well and instead of letting him buildi g on his success completely ignores him letting him take all the flak.

  • 70 Graeme // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    Ibiza – Tesco’s is just about the right place for him – vacuum packed, in the “value” section – buy 3, pay for 2 and “This week Only” a slice of ponytail included!!

    I really feel sorry for him, but the answer to his problems lie in Liverpool, NOT at Newcastle.

    Florida – That Bambi is a “model pro” is not in question, I’m sure he is a really lovely man. The only problem is that he is employed as a striker – and he just isn’t and hasn’t been for over 5 years. The odd goal against the unwashed just isn’t enough to justify his existence at SLP.

  • 71 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Graeme…Not so sure mate. I seem to recall people recently criticising our club for letting players go such as Routeledge after seeing them blossom at another club, perhaps people are writing Carroll off prematurely?

    Obviously nothing is certain and perhaps there are better options (in fact there almost definitely are), but that still doesn’t mean he couldn’t provide something we need and flourish if he was to return. Once again, personally, I would welcome him back and would expect him to be able to play a good part in our future…but that’s me.

  • 72 martoon // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

    I agree that Carroll would be quite a good upgrade / replacement for Shola but it is his injury record that worries me. There is a theory linking injuries such as muscle strains etc. to alcohol – Keiron Dyer is a prime example. So my main worry would be keeping him fit.

  • 73 Munster Mag // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    Nice idea American, but I cant see Liverpool leaving him go for 7mill. I’d have him back though – a real game changer tactically. I thunk he will perform far better in a black and white shirt than any other shirt. As for Anzi I think a lot of fans are deluded on this – more say we will win than lose?? I reckon we could take a pasting from their speedy passing game unless our defence improves and we get Santon off the pitch. 3-1 Anzi, or 3-0.

  • 74 Munster Mag // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    I like when people say Carroll was probably the worst bit of business in Liverpools history. I’d say he is the worst purchase in english transfer history. Can anyone think of worse readers ? :)

  • 75 DarloGeordie // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:48 AM

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Carroll back playing for his home club but he isn’t the next shearer we are all craving…

    I think we should right this one off as the one and only success that has been brought through our youth set up so far (Campbell a possible success) not only success through the talent that he gained here but the financial success that became of the deal, I mean Liverpool must be absolutely gutted and that makes me happy :-)

    The thing that worries me is the length of pardew’s contract, hopefully there is a clause in there that means he has to finish in the top ten or only receive a percentage of his agreed wage because I am sorry this man is not the man to take us to the next level

  • 76 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    Carroll
    BUY him – we might score from a corner

  • 77 ToonDarnSarf // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    This 8 year contract doesn’t mean much. There will be performance related clauses all over it. The advantage of it is that if Pardew and the backroom team (including Carr) want to leave, then we’ll get massive compensation for them. If Pardew had got Newcastle in the CL this season, Chelski would probably have come calling…

  • 78 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    Munster…That’s a hard one, as a NUFC fan I would have to argue it’s the BEST bit of business in footballing history :)

    On the Anzhi away game, I expect Pardew to go ultra defensive and for once I would imagine most fans would see the sense in that. We need to get a result that we can attack in the home fixture or I feel it will be too hard to overcome as Anzhi will certainly be no pushovers.

    And since when are polls on here realistic as to what people really think? :)

  • 79 Santon03 // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Ibiza

    I don’t think who or what we like has no effect in decission making. I know it’s MA decision to hire AP and gave him 8 years contract. Is it MA’s fault for rewarding and trusting AP after great result last year? or would you prefer like treatment like RVD after winning CL? Would you prefer MA to interfere with AP’s job?
    I didn’t have a problem with AP as a manager until probably September last year, it started with excuses.
    We didn’t know for sure that it was MA decision not to back AP, it could also be that AP became cocky after last year result.
    Basically we have the same squad as last year before January window, yet we played long balls and played horible style of football, can’t even win at home against lesser teams add some excuses to it. I made my judgement based on what I saw and read which is the excuses, not assuming what’s going on inside board meeting.

    btw I have to go now, will continue later.

  • 80 Jail for Ashley // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    Munster,
    I’d say Torres at 50M is up there with the worst of them closely followed by Obertan at 3M

  • 81 roshan MAGPIE // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20130306/magpies-heading-for-moscow_2281670_3098786

  • 82 Jail for Ashley // Mar 6, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    Santon,
    As MA controls the purse strings I’d say its fairly nailed on that it was him who made the final decision on how much he was willing to spend and knowing very little about football and likd you thought that our thread bare squad could preform the same miracles as the season before.

  • 83 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    Santon…I should start by saying that personally I don’t currently have any major issues with Ashley or Pardew. I certainly wouldn’t prefer a Chelsea style treatment of managers, but that still doesn’t mean give the guy an 8 year contract (not opening that debate, as I am quite sure there will be loop holes in it if needed).

    Anyway, back to the issue.

    Do you not think we need to look a bit further than what we read and hear seeing as it’s only really Pardew that ever tells us anything? If not it would all be his fault as we never hear anything from Ashley, sadly we do need to make educated guesses as to what’s going on to make a “balanced” opinion.

    What do we know? Pardew all summer harped on about getting in new players ready for our EL adventure. He may well have said after that he was happy with the sqaud, but what would you expect him to say in public? He may well of even agreed that we could make do until the winter window, but I’m sure that would have been said not knowing the injuries we would suffer. They have all taken responsibility for the lack of incomings in the summer, whoever was responsible they “seem” to have learned from the mistake, we will see this summer I suppose.

    So then, Pardew this season. From what we’ve seen of late, I can quite happily put a large part of our problems down to injuries this season. Not that Pardew is perfect, as he is not, but he is capable of doing a job for us. We had the biggest injury list than any other PL club. Add to that, Cabaye was carrying an injury at the beginning of the season and looked a shadow of the player last year. That is somewhat proven by the fact he’s returned to his old self since having the op.

    He may have used a lot of excuses so far this season, but at the same time, he got a fair amount of criticism thrown at him and he has to try and get things back on track. By saying that it was all down to him would have only led to more calls of “Pardew out”, which quite frankly, imo, is the last thing we needed or need.

    I look forward to picking this up again some other time.

  • 84 TorqToon // Mar 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    Morning Ibiza.

    The trip has gone well my friend. It been an eye opening experience and I’ve met a lot of great people. I did get chance to assess and chat with PEA and found him to be a very down to earth, motivated and nice fella. I was half expecting him to be slightly full of himself and egotistical but nothing of the sort.

    Watched all their fixtures an training this past fortnight and have to say, the club is a lovely set up and they have some very good players in both their first and reserve side.

    Made no secret of my affection for Newcastle United and wore my scarf to the games (as i do at any fixture whatever club I’m working with!) and people know and speak fondly of NUFC.

    On Carroll – I can’t see Liverpool allowing him back to us, and they would probably ask for a higher fee from us than from anybody else, but you never know.

    Anzhi will be a tough tough game, not to concede has to be our primary objective, but they have quality all over the park, not just from Eto.

    But then again….so do we!!! :-)

  • 85 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 10:16 AM

    Torq…Sounds like a nice way to spend a couple of weeks…working :)

    So you didn’t get PEA to sign then?

    Agree on Carroll, for the money we’d want to pay, I can see another club matching that valuation and we all know Liverpool would rather not deal with us, but maybe Carroll will have some power with regards to that?!?

  • 86 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 6, 2013 at 10:17 AM

    Ibiza @71
    The thing is though the Carroll situation is back to front compared to players like routledge, there players who were average when here, and tbf at previous clubs, who have moved on and found a club that was a good fit for them and have blossomed there
    Carroll on the other hand left a club that was a good fit for him, for me didn’t put the work in under dagleash to justify his move, didn’t impress rodger’s, sat idlely whilst his career went down the pan further before making a last minute move, probably because he was holding out for a bigger club, and severely under impressed
    So now the press link him back here to reserect his career, the big problem being the club that was a perfect fit for him no longer exsist’s here

  • 87 Munster Mag // Mar 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM

    Woukd tend to think we can do better than Pardew as a manager but we have to give him more time with these players, especially in view of his award last season. I do think he has had a fairly poor season though and denying the errors he has made, allowing for injuries, is being a bit daft. The free kicks, corners, tactics, subs, 442, Ba etc , may questions , not to mention the daft excuses like the Senegalese FA thing.

  • 88 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 6, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    Tads…There are two issues there.

    1) Probably the most important of the two for me, is whether we have moved on and therefore are no longer a good fit. I’d say not. We have improved a fair bit, as the AC set up was really our only set up at the time (not a criticism, it worked well). We now have other options, but that doesn’t mean we wouldn’t benefit from having him as one. We do still knock it long (if not everyone on this blog may well be insane….perhaps our next debate? :) ), but we don’t really have a player to make that work?

    Pardew has recently said that we are a team that mixes styles and I actually quite like that tbh. I’d like us to improve our passing game no doubt, but to be able to mix it up is of great benefit imo as sometimes pretty football gets you nowhere and this is a results game at the end of the day.

    2) Players blossoming. Granted it may be a bit back to front when compared to Routledge who never really impressed before moving away, but could AC not re-blossom if he returned? People slag him off for leaving, but the reality is it was probably a decision made by everyone concerned, I don’t think he was forced out, nor do I think he forced the move, it just made sense for everyone (except Liverpool…ha ha) at the time. It is sentimental, but I would imagine you would see the old AC if he was playing at the toon again, a chance to rediscover what he’s about, with less pressure. There is a lot to be said for that imo.

  • 89 nufc 11 // Mar 6, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    Santon is not a LB he gets caught out way to much he allows himself get overrun at times due to his posistioning he sometimes lacks concerntration his strength is runing at defenders beating them and crossing creating chances he should be moved to RM or LM instead of Jonas

  • 90 Owldman // Mar 6, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Because of Liverpools financial situation I can’t see them letting Carroll go on the cheap, however when thry do let im go they will take a massive loss on him.I think they took a loss when they sold Charlie Adam & there is no way they will recoup their money on Downing.They paid £18mill for Jordan Henderson, no way was he worth that even former Liverpool players queried the cost of the players Dagleish bought, Can only see them going deeper in debt in the summer.They can no longer compete with Man U, Man City Chelsea & Arsenal on the financial side of things, would’n be surprised to see their American owner bail out.

  • 91 thepict // Mar 6, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    Don’t want to see our ex no 9 back here. Retrograde step.

  • 92 Spotlight Kid // Mar 6, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    The prime of AC has coincided with the rise of Tika-Taka. Poor lad is from another era, alas.

    However Andy’s presence could still just about guarantee promotion to the Prem for most top half Championship clubs – that’s where his real value is. Accordingly I suspect he is going to be the eternal journeyman – once that is Liverpool finally accept he’s a solid £6m workhorse and not the £17m thoroughbred they would like us all to believe.

    Nevertheless I wish him every success anyway, as he would have been a Division 1 superstar back in the 70s and 80s. He will remain (for financial reasons alone) the most influential Newcastle player since Alan Shearer. Where would the club have been without THAT windfall?

  • 93 the bloody geordie // Mar 6, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    if we get him for 10 and some dumb club wants to buy him for 35 again…why not..otherwise no use for him now….with his price our scouts probably can find 3 or 4 fantastic players…

  • 94 woolerbill // Mar 6, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    No to carroll-

    We want to play football, not the long ball.
    Has he change his drinking and love for trouble. I think he is another ranger, a Prat.




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