Carroll Too Expensive For West Ham – Newcastle Move In?


News in the Sun today that West Ham have decided not to try to bring former Newcastle United striker to Upton Part permanently in the summer, because he is just too expensive.

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Andy Carroll at West Ham

Andy has been on loan at West Ham all season, and the Hammers have a clause where they have first choice and can buy him for £17M in the summer, but it’s doubtful if Liverpool can get anywhere near that figure, for the player they bought from Newcastle for a massive £35M just over two years ago.

A West Ham source had this to say to the Sun:

“The move for Carroll is just too expensive.” “In the current economic climate, £17M plus £84K-a-week over four years would add up to around £33M and we need to cut our cloth.”

Both manager Alan Pardew and Managing Director Derek LLambias are known to be keen on getting Andy back on Tyneside, and West Ham’s apparent exit from the bidding could leave the door open for Newcastle to get him back for a reasonable price of around £10M.

Andy has scored only three goals in 14 appearances this season, and has been out with injury too much, and there’s also his wages, which are £84K/week according to the West Ham source, but the only way Andy can keep getting wages that high is if he stayed at Liverpool for the three years left on his contract.

But manager Brendan Rodgers has made it clear there is no future for Andy at Liverpool, and he recently brought in striker Daniel Sturridge in January from Chelsea, and the Reds will try to sell Carroll to the highest bidder this summer, and they will hardly want to sell him back to Newcastle at a £25M loss in just thirty months.

But that may be Liverpool’s best option, and Newcastle need to bring in a fourth striker this summer, after Loic Remy decided to play for bottom club QPR in January for ridiculously high wages.

We wouldn’t be too surprised id Newcastle make an attempt to get Andy back to Newcastle, and the club wants hungry players, and local lad Andy will be out to prove he’s much better than Brendan Rodgers rated him at Liverpool.

It could happen, and Andy would certainly welcome the move back to Tyneside, but the Magpies will only pay around £10M for the Gateshead-born striker, and he would have to take a drop in wages too.

And Newcastle fans seem divided on whether we should bring the 6’3″ striker back to Newcastle, with 46% for the move, and 46% against the move, with the rest undecided.

What do you think?

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94 comments so far

  • RonVanDam

    Mar 6, 2013 at 2:57 AM

    Comment #1

    Would pay 7m max @ 40kpw. 10m is still too much for a injury prone striker and a player who wont match our style of play.
    Pardew has toned down his hoofball style. AC would help us during corners and against teams that play alot of ground ball.
    AC’s best attributes are: Height and powerful headers.

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  • workyticket

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    Comment #2

    Liverpool would rather throw him on a bonfire than sell him back to Newcastle for £10 million after what Llambias said about them. If Liverpool were willing to reduce their fee by that much and Carroll was willing to reduce his wage demands, it would be to another club like West Ham, any club but Newcastle United.

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  • RonVanDam

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    Comment #3

    For tomorrows game i would start:
    Elliot

    Debucey – Taylor – Mbiwa – Haidara

    Tioti – Anita

    Arfa – Cabs – Sissoko

    Gouff

    Game subs: Marv for Arfa, Cisse for Gouf, Santon for Tioti

    Elliot will need cover at the back due to lack of high level experience.
    Will brng above subs will add pace in attack in the final 20 against the tired opposition, Change formation to: 4-1-4-1. Santon joins in as a attacking LW. I think we could surprise Anzhi

    Elliot

    Debucey – Taylor – Mbiwa – Haidara

    Anita

    Marv – Cabs – Sissoko – Santon

    Cisse

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  • RonVanDam

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:14 AM

    Comment #4

    workyticket

    Agree. Wont be good PR for L’pool to sell AC back to us at a 25m(+) loss. Could get him for free if he decides to sit out his contract which i highly doubt

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  • Novocastrian66

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:18 AM

    Comment #5

    Ron. Goufran is cup tied.

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  • RonVanDam

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:21 AM

    Comment #6

    Novocastrian66

    I guess Cisse plays the who 90mins lol. No room for Shola.

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  • Tuna

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:35 AM

    Comment #7

    When QPR go down, we’ll snatch Remy off ’em. Much prefer that.

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  • AmericanGeordie

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:37 AM

    Comment #8

    I would definitely take him back. He’d give us a different option up front with his aerial dominance and hold up play.

    I also think RonVanDam has the numbers exactly right: £7M transfer, £40k/week wages.

    The key fact that everyone misses is that Carroll holds the cards on his move, not that prick Rodgers.

    Liverpool recruited AC with the big wages (assume £80k/week), and he is entitled to it. He’s not obligated to go anywhere and Liverpool must pay him £12.5M over the next 3 years. If Rodgers wants him off the books, they may have to take NOTHING for him! (Man City is paying every penny of the transfer fee they received from Spurs to supplement his wages!)

    Here’s the deal: we pay £6M for him, and £40k/week. Liverpool pays the other £40 per week for the remaining 3 years to make AC whole on his contract. It’s a really win/win/win deal (though BR is loathe to admit it).

    Newcastle gets a 24 year old full English International, Geordie born &bred striker for £6M + 40/week.

    Carroll gets to come home to the scene of his greatest success with a chance to redeem himself. Plus he keeps all the earnings he’s entitiled to for the contract he signed to leave the Toon.

    Liverpool save £12.5M by getting AC off the books (even if they ultimate give up the transfer fee supplementing his wages).

    The reason Carroll holds the cards to this deal is that he doesn’t have to play anywhere but Liverpool. If he insists on a transfer only to the Toon, Liverpool has no choice but to sell him under the terms outlined above, or let him rot on the bench at a cost of £12.5M!!!

    Bring the big lad home!

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  • mohtoolz

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:47 AM

    Comment #9

    AmericanGeordie said it.

    I would love to see him comeback.

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  • Novocastrian66

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:52 AM

    Comment #10

    Ron. I think Cisse may sit this one out and Shola start.

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  • RonVanDam

    Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    Comment #11

    Just a random thought. It’s been a while since pardew has played 4-4-2

    Looks like he’s got a new favourite formation in 4-2-3-1 which seems to work alot in our favour.

    Wouldnt mind playing 4-3-3 against stoke. Cisse is not strong enough to battle Ryan Shawcross and co on his own if we play 4-2-3-1

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  • davo

    Mar 6, 2013 at 4:18 AM

    Comment #12

    Right on the money there American.

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  • davis_toons

    Mar 6, 2013 at 4:42 AM

    Comment #13

    When QPR go down, we’ll snatch Samba ‘em.as well

    …and what make Newcastle Utd get Carroll back at a lower cost then other clubs?

    –and what makes Carroll comes back on a lower wages

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  • pbandj

    Mar 6, 2013 at 4:50 AM

    Comment #14

    Im pretty sure Pool will just keep loaning Carroll out. I really cant see them take 7 mil for him. I think they would need at least 12. Better option for them to loan him out an hope he finds success with another premier league club so his stock goes up again. But knowing how keen pardew is on Carroll I can see us dish out 12-15 mil pounds for him.

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  • RedMissionBells

    Mar 6, 2013 at 5:58 AM

    Comment #15

    To be honest, I am very concerned whenever there is speculation of Newcastle United wanting to purchase Andy Carroll. I have said this many times and will say it again.

    1) Having played 1/2 a season of top flight football with us, the lad was sold for 35 million pounds. It is the best deal in our club’s history, and probably the worst in Liverpool’s.

    2) Having made a huge profit from the Andy Carroll deal, why do we want to revisit the idea of buying him when we can invest in better strikers out there ? Even Shane Long is a more accomplished striker than Carroll. Also, Michu is a good case study. It shows there are strikers out there who we can buy on the cheap and still reap great rewards.

    3) Just because he is a local lad does not mean we need to bring him home. Please put all of that aside. Our goal is to win football matches.

    4) Andy Carroll is strong in the air. However, that is not the way in which we play these days. With Sissoko, Gouffran, Arfa, Cisse, Cabaye & Marvuex around, we are more technical these days. Carroll will not get into our first team.

    5) 3 goals in 17 matches for West Ham is NOT good returns.

    Those of you who think Carroll should return, please explain why – Logically.

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  • Santon03

    Mar 6, 2013 at 6:36 AM

    Comment #16

    I dont mind having AC back, but only if there are no other options left in the market.
    Anyway first thing we need to change is tactics. Right now it’s like play the best 11 and hope for the best.

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  • check the toastie

    Mar 6, 2013 at 6:45 AM

    Comment #17

    Santon – by definition of trying too change something, you have to have something to change in the first place, no style of football and no odea of how the team is going to evolve as a unit.

    As you say, pick some good players, get them to work as hard as possible and lets hope something comes off, our success from corners and set pieces tell you all you need to know about how well we are being coached.

    And when will people firstly realise that Debuchy and Goofy are ineligable and two Simpson should not be starting matches for us. If he starts in front of Anita full back, Pardew should once again be sacked on the spot.

    It goes to show how deluded our fans are when less than 30% think we will get beat in Moscow. Realists they are not.

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  • Santon03

    Mar 6, 2013 at 6:49 AM

    Comment #18

    I read previous thread that many criticise Santon defending and Swan’s goal was his mistake. I’m sorry I disagree with that. MYM missed the header and the ball dropped on Santon’s shin in a split secondand it rebounded MYM again, how is that his fault?
    Santon is attacking wing back just like any other Italian wb or Debuchy, when you have these type of players on your team then you’ll need good DM(s) to cover their positions. You can’t expect them to get back so fast especially when he already made a run forward and the other players lose the ball. I think some of you guys and AP need to watch how Italian teams play or Barca or Real. Especially Italian teams, they have good DMs who can switch position in the game into sweeper, when they lose the ball these DMs will do anything to win it back or stopped the play anyway possible.

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  • one Tony Green

    Mar 6, 2013 at 6:53 AM

    Comment #19

    AC seems to have problems with fitness that IMO is he main Achilles heal. He is undoubtedly fantastic in the air but his game on the deck is better than he is given credit for.
    Would we want him back yes along with PEA as Shola is getting on now.
    HWTL

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  • Santon03

    Mar 6, 2013 at 6:57 AM

    Comment #20

    Check

    I think most of the 70% are hoping to win, not 100% sure that we will win, jut hoping. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
    I agree with you that our set pieces are awful. If we can utilise set pieces like corner or free kicks better, we will have bigger chance to win a game.
    I still believe with different manager and sam squad, we will be doing a lot better than now.
    This season, I’m just happy not to get relegated, hopefully wit a lot of luck we could reach europa final or winning it, but again must be done with extremely huge luck.

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  • ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:00 AM

    Comment #21

    Hope not. Carroll = step back.

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  • Santon03

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:07 AM

    Comment #22

    the weakness in our best 11 is Tiote imo. He always kicking people and commit unnecessary fouls when the team is not under any danger with yellow card as result.
    He needs to play smarter because he is already in ref’s radar and they are itching to give him yellow or red card.

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  • dmac

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:21 AM

    Comment #23

    Please do not be blinded by the fact the lad is a Geordie. He has shown that it means very little to him ( moving, transfer request and trying to cheat a penalty against us) He would be a massive step backwards. He doesnt possess the quality needed to push this club forwards.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Comment #24

    A West Ham source had this to say to the Sun:

    “The move for Carroll is just too expensive.” “In the current economic climate, £17M plus £84K-a-week over four years would add up to around £33M and we need to cut our cloth.”

    So where the hell do posters like American Geordie get the idea that liverpool will ask for that from west ham but when the toon come knocking they will go yeah of course you can have for £6-7 mil why not! Infact why don’t we throw in reina and agger aswell!

    Get real WHU are just haggling the price down, and there welcome too him
    Shit player with no ability on the deck other than lying on it whinging like a little girl looking for free kicks, what a plan b that is!

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  • iggystinger

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:28 AM

    Comment #25

    Dont bring him back hes a f****n donkey not good enough for the direction our clubs wanting to head in, for the money they want for carroll we could bring in well better quality

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  • FloridaToon

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:32 AM

    Comment #26

    I sure most do not remember me, as I have not really posted much in the last year. Why? Well back then it was all about the MA hate and constant negativity. I have continued to read and of course as most of us know its all about the Pardew hate now, so not really to much has changed.

    Most people on here are able to express themselves and debate in a reasonable manner even when disagreeing on things, but a few (Catchy, Check, Robin to name a few) cannot have a discussion about anything without bringing Pardew and their undying hate for him into a conversation along with “sack Pardew” see post #17 above.

    Now before the whole “I can say what I want” and “I’m entitled to my opinion” and the ever famous “If you don’t like what I post don’t read it” starts, I just want to say yes you can post whatever you want…..but so can I and I am going to.

    Those of you who can’t post without blaming Pardew for something or having to say he should be sacked in every other post can go F$%k yourselfs. You add absolutely nothing to this blog and are complete and total stupid @ss F@$ks.

    Let me ask those of you who fall into that category a simple question. Are you an EPL or any other top flight league manager?? No your not. Do you attend training everyday?? No you don’t. So why on earth do you f@#king tw@ts think you know more than everyone else including Pardew and the rest of the coaching staff? Your problem is you are so delusional in thinking you know more than anyone else about the game…that in turn when Pardew doesn’t do what you want your cry like little babies that he should be sacked.

    I mean heaven forbid someone who won both manager of year awards last year actually know more than you do….but I know, he didn’t really deserve it. Just like SAF, AVB, Mancinni etc would have us in the top five with our injury riddled lineup. I’m sure all of you would have done a much better job….that’s why your posting on a blog instead of actually coaching in the EPL.

    So yes you are entitled to continue to post your stupid @ss crap all over the blog just like I can rant at your stupid @ss crap.

    Rant over.

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  • TorqToon

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:35 AM

    Comment #27

    I would ONLY take him back at a fraction of the fee Liverpool will want and slash his wages in half.

    Personally I don’t think he is as bad as people make out, but he is nowhere near a £17mil player.

    The only way this will happen is if the fee is cut substantially, and it will be a deal that MA will take control of and get sorted. He would love to have him back at a fraction of what they paid us.

    Still can’t see it happening – personally I think Liverpool would rather sell him to ANYBODY other than us!

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  • TorqToon

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    Comment #28

    Florida – Nice multiple use of the @ symbol my friend! 🙂

    Have to agree though, the constant pardew hate really grinds on me!

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  • FloridaToon

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:40 AM

    Comment #29

    Torq

    I really used to like being on here and use to post daily but just can’t take the constant hate.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:44 AM

    Comment #30

    Torq…How’s your trip going? Do you have PEA signed up on a pre contract yet? Failing that, have you cleared out some space for him in your suitcase and stocked up on chloroform? 🙂

    Florida…Good morning. Do you feel better now? Haven’t seen a rant like that on here for a while, bravo.

    On Carroll…… AAAJUGHYUGHLKJQWfFGHU£NWBWHW….Why again? Come on, we have the summer to play this game, not now. Plllleeeeaaassee.

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  • FloridaToon

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    Comment #31

    Ibiza

    I do feel better. Thanks. But on topic…AC only if around 8 mil and low wages…. less than 45K.

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  • mindshaft

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    Comment #32

    no idea why we keep regurgitating this story, we won’t pay 17m or 80k+ wages, if he goes for 7-10 million and halves his wage demands then west ham will take him as they have first option
    I don’t want him back, there are much better options out there, he’s basically become an overpaid injury prone low scoring striker – anyone thinking he’s suddenly going to become England’s number 1 is deluded and should check themselves into St George’s – we’d be better off buying cole, anichibe or any other mediocre striker than Carroll

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:49 AM

    Comment #33

    Florida….At the right price and wages I’d be more than happy to see AC back. Everyone says it will just be a step backwards, but I don’t think that’s the case really. It just gives us another option. Now if he was coming back to be our main ST week in week out I’d be less thrilled, but as a Shola upgrade too right I’d have him back.

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  • mindshaft

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:51 AM

    Comment #34

    @FloridaToon + 1

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  • FloridaToon

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:57 AM

    Comment #35

    Ibiza

    My thinking exactly. Always liked him, was gutted when he was sold.

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  • Tsunki

    Mar 6, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Comment #36

    Florida – 😀 😀 😀

    Ed – the time may be right for a ‘Pardew to stay or go for next season?’ article. On 2nd thoughts, no, no don’t 😐

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  • davis_toons

    Mar 6, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Comment #37

    to answer the question..AC with the big wages (assume £80k/week)
    -Is stated £84k/week by west ham.

    Will depends on AC HIMSELF, will he want to half his wages?

    AC can any time ask TO BE LISTED if he find it hard to stay on even with his wages.

    Even then will poo accept a lower bid from US?

    Until his contract runs out, i don’t think AC wants his salary to be adjusted. Its a fact of a modern footballer.

    Esp in England when taxes are high.

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  • FloridaToon

    Mar 6, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    Comment #38

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying Pardew is perfect, cause he’s not. He has made mistakes in the past and I am sure he will make some more…all managers do.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand

    Mar 6, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    Comment #39

    Florida…I’m also not convinced that he’s “lost” whatever it is we all thought we saw. I get he’s been nowhere near as good as he was for us at either Liverpool or West Ham and I probably am being a sentimental fool, I’m at least open to the idea of that, but I do think the whole way it worked out and then the amount of the transfer fee plus expectations etc got in his head. I do think a return to Newcastle would be just what he needs. Guesswork of course.

    Talking of being a sentimental prat..I definitely am one. Why the hell did I care about Man Utd last night? Normally I’d think I’d take joy in seeing them miss out but I can’t shake the feeling there were robbed…robbed I tell ya! 🙂

    Anyway, enough about those w@nk*rs.

    Tsunki…Shhh…what you playing at? 😉

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  • FloridaToon

    Mar 6, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    Comment #40

    davis_toons

    I disagree. I think AC would come back to us with reduced wages. I think the boy wants a chance to prove his worth again and where better than his home town club.

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