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• 1 NUFC_LEAZES END // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:04 PM

  Is his hamstring ever gonna be right?
  I’ve had a hamstring injury before, but never did it keep me from playing as long as what hatem has been out for.
  I know we don’t want to throw him in the mix too early because that will aggravate his hamstring.
  But, I think they are being too cautious

• 2 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM

  68toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:05 PM

  59toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 2:57 PM

  Sorry Jesper i think your flogging a dead horse to be honest mate and things like this are just another excuse to stick the knife in on pardew

  In any profession you are surrounded by people who advise on the best possible action, management is no different, if pardew could diagnose injuries to a full extent then why is there a medical team? Think your pinning far too much blame on him

  WWYCD
  Shhhh don’t give Jesper more ammo, I told him they were sex dolls!!!
  I also heard that just after benny had got off crutches pardew hit him with a baseball bat

  Tommyy
  No need to justify it mate, I still think benny can be key to our success but I completely agree about the point you make about potential, there comes a time for everyone!
  The 2 words that seem to follow benny through his career are potential and maturity, pardew has certainly matured him as a player but quickly needs to find the key to use his full potential

• 3 89Norcal // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:09 PM

  Wonder if Hatem has some muscular imbalances?

  Maybe a little too much quad work and exercises for the shot power. That was the issue that plagued Alexandre Pato.

  Just hope he plays on the weekend, I miss seeing Hatem glide past defenders.

• 4 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:10 PM

  The medical staff needs to be replaced at Newcastle. Granted, he came back in possibly the worst conditions he could have. Astro turf, sub freezing weather, away. But the physio’s would have known that. If they still gave their stamp of approval, then the bulk of the blame lies with them. The rest lies with the coaching staff and Pardew.

  Again, Pardew is not completely faultless here, but the bulk of the blame lies not with him, but the medical staff.

  Wasn’t really expecting him to play after he missed the Stoke game, as the writing was pretty plain on the wall.

  If anything, at this point he should be treated just like he was coming back from his leg break. When he’s ready, slowly introduce him into the squad as an impact sub and make him earn his starting place back. Doing anything less would cheapen the efforts of all the other players who are busting their butts for the starting position. I know it would piss me off if I worked my tail end off to earn a starting spot.

• 5 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:12 PM

  Another thing to think about. It could be the scans were inconclusive as to how completely healed the hamstring was, and when they asked HBA if he was good to go, he’s never going to say no. He wants to get back on the pitch. His eagerness to play could have / probably did cost him a set back in injury.

• 6 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM

  Yo… From previous, i think they left when the fat man went, dont hold me to that though i dont really remember, still either way like you said we didn’t really benefit much if at all

• 7 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:17 PM

  Jesper
  This isn’t Pardews fault either before u start being mean haha

• 8 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM

  Rainrix
  Could be right but I’d say if we had kept them our injuries would be less frequent now but that’s all guess work. We’ve never seemed to have a solid quality medical staff for as long as I can remember, not saying the one we currently have are poor but maybe we don’t have enough or they haven’t kept up with the changing landscape of sports medicine…or maybe we are just shagged in regards to injuries through no fault of theirs, Ashley should be looking into why we have suffered more than most though

• 9 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

  Guys I responded to you on the old thread I am a bit slow sometimes!

  Yo…playing Benny on astroturf in cold weather was his choice was it not lol (I know those French idiot said it was alright and maybe even the medics)

• 10 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:25 PM

  Sick of these injuries to HBA…just want to see the lad back to his best in this new look team.

  I think the medical team need looking at, we get so many injuries at the club it’s uncanny.

  Can’t blame the manager though, he has experts there to offer advice and if he takes takes that advice and it goes wrong it’s not his fault. Thats what the expert is there for.

• 11 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

  jesp

  He must havetaken advice of the medics….why hire experts if you don’ take their advice.

  If they underperform it’s up to pardew to complain to his superiors and then for them to act on it.

• 12 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:28 PM

  Jesper from previous
  Aye he had a hand in it but I don’t think he’s the one at fault. And tbf I don’t recall him pointing fingers or taking responsibility, he’s just gotten on with it and not made a huge fuss

  I don’t blame him for it, I don’t blame anyone for it. Am more annoyed HBA came back carrying a load of timber tbh

• 13 nufc_eire // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

  http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/13/carlos-tevez-samir-nasri-city-clearout

  Looks like Guidetti is being sold in the summer. Would be a great signing for a few million

• 14 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:29 PM

  Yo… Aye its a bit weird how we’re consistently beset by injuries. It was brought into focus a bit by big sam but its been brushed under the carpet a bit in recent times due to relegation and such.

  Not sure what kind of professionals he brought in but i remember him giving interviews about it and he is a big advocate of sport science.

  Still everything’s just speculation on our end it could be anything, even freak luck.

• 15 one Tony Green // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:32 PM

  For as long as I can remember NUFC always have problems with hamstrings. The medical staff or trainers do seem poor.

  If the stories about Hatem looking to leave are to be believed I for one in my humble opinion would be pretty pissed off. He has missed more games than he has played and trying to compare him to Messi or Ronaldo is a joke. Messi has played more games in three years than Hatem has in his whole career. ( Messi is younger). Messi has also scored more goals in 12 months than NUFC in total in 24 months.

• 16 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:33 PM

  Jesp
  No mate not because you disagree with me!
  But because you seem to be absolving the medical staff of by blame whatsoever which to me is just wrong!

  The medics are there to advise the club on the best course of action in regards to our players health and conditioning for me there failing in that duty

  Dagwoodz
  Agree mate, don’t think any are trying to absolve pardew of any blame at all, but to blame him 100% seems a bit narrow minded

• 17 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:34 PM

  TS…actually I am consultant (architect) and I am only liable for what I sign on to with a john handcock

  …what I give is advice (then they make up their own mind)

  Are we saying here that managers are clueless? Did anyone read that bit I posted from the football association?

• 18 Mister Tuff // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:35 PM

  Tommyy @62 -previous post – you “suggest” Hazard is French – he’s not -he’s Belgian.

• 19 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:36 PM

  tads…whether someone is feeding Pardew bad info or not for me is beside the point. Pardew is El Capitano (they can sort that out internally)

• 20 manxpie // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

  On ober people r wantin him in defence?
  That’s gotta b a joke he’s got abilty but for me It’s his concentration that’s his main problem he never seems switched on for more than a couple of mins at a time or game somtimes
  On arts I thought it was a dead leg he had where’s the info on it bein his hamstring again ?
  And jesper do u not take any advice from your doctor then?

• 21 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

  @Jesper and TS and TDS

  I treat musculoskeletal injuires and any injury is never straight forward. Scans do not give definitive proof because there can be false positives. It is very difficult to predict how a person will react to treatment in this field of medicine.
  If you blame one person then you will have to blame them all.

• 22 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:39 PM

  @13
  Would be a cracking young signing, thought that he might play a bit more for city since selling ballotelli but did he have some kind of virus? Think he’s been pretty ill this season!

  WWYCD
  Once again for me comes down to either the medical staff or dietician, both him and stevie came back looking like they were preparing to hibernate for the winter!!!

  One Tony Green
  Agree he’s nowhere near messi or ronaldo think that comes back to the earlier discussion of some of our lads being overhyped tbh, great player yes but world class? Not for me I’m afraid (plus he’s 2 years older than messi so saying he has the potential to be the same is well out!)

• 23 Joe Blog // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM

  Derek Wright – doesn’t fill you with confidence when you look at him and realise he’s head of our medical staff.

  Ooo – appearance discrimination!

• 24 manxpie // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM

  Arts = arfa

• 25 NUFC_LEAZES END // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM

  Am starting to hope that we can sell him in the summer for 20+ million.
  Lets face it,
  We’ll get 15 million + profit for an injury prone player,
  We could buy 2-3 excellent players using the money off Ben arfa,
  Lets face it we can’t rely on him anymore, even though he is one of the most gifted players in the world.

• 26 santonthenewmaldini // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM

  I remember a couple of months ago someone was at a charity thing with Pardew and he said that Pardew gets calls every day on Arfa’s availability and also that Arfa always wants to come back too soon from injuries

  Could it be that Arfa was so desperate to play that he said he felt better than he actually was?

  I think we have got to be careful with Arfa as a hamstring injury can effectively ruin a player’s career cause if he loses that ability to have that change of pace with the ball then he will need to change his game

  Might have to just accept that he might not really play properly this season which is a shame as he could be the difference in the Europa if we can get past Anzhi

• 27 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:44 PM

  Mr Funk
  If test our inconclusive, which we don’t know if they are or not, what do you do with the lad? When do you say he’s fit? Do we keep him in storage and wheel him out on special occasions?
  This isn’t a pop by the way really am curious on just what you do with him

• 28 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:45 PM

  @ Jesper

  “whether someone is feeding Pardew bad info or not for me is beside the point. Pardew is El Capitano (they can sort that out internally)”

  So as an architect, you always challenge any advice you are given by an expert of their field before going ahead and doing something?

• 29 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM

  manxpie….I listen to advise from my doctor of course!

  …And I might see a specialist if I need a better assessment than the doctor can give me who is a generalist!

  …but there is a big difference between listing and just do as he say ( a second opinion is often needed) I cannot remember the last time my doctor game me a MRI scan or anything else that could actually detect any disease

  …last time I had a serious football injury I was send to a specialist and he said my knees was chronically injured (the doctor hadn’t found anything, but then again he never really ‘checked me did he )

• 30 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:48 PM

  Rainrix
  I agree as, imo, the issues been swept under the rug and ignored again. I could be back luck but its pretty consistent bad luck if it is.

  Toonarmydownsouth
  I disagree on that one, I think the player should take the blame, both Benny and Saylor were embarrassing coming back with so much weight put on. They should of done everything in their power to remain as physically fit as possible without requiring a babysitter they are grown men after all

• 31 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:48 PM

  Jesper
  Yeah they can sort that out internally ie Ashley, but what is pardew supposed to do until then? Completely disregard any and all reports passed on to him by the medical team?

• 32 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:49 PM

  Mr Funk…I am usually hired as the consultant and I give my advise!

  …it’s advise (they have to use it as such)

• 33 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

  Jesper @ 29

  So did you carry on playing football then?

• 34 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

  Mr Funk…non of our medics are hamstring expects. You need an MRI scan to see the damage and to see older injuries (they can be the ones who are the problem)

• 35 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:52 PM

  WWYCD
  Sorry thought you said you disagree, oh you did hmmm well fcuk you!;)
  Of course you are right, there grown men and should be able to the mars bars down for 30 odd k a week, but also feel the club should keep tighter tabs on them

• 36 Mister Tuff // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

  We had the “Benny hamstring” debate few days ago -with Jesper and Tads being the main contributors. I sided with Jesper. I could find no evidence of Benny having a scan before his return to the Fulham game -when he relapsed. After the Fulham game he did have a scan which showed his hamstring was held together by scar tissue. With the scar tissue being evidence of a previous injury (Maritimo game). He was then sent to Clairefontaine. The calendar days from the Maritimo game to the Fulham game was 18 days but in reality nearer 16 “actual” days. Benny had said he felt ok. This series of events does suggest that he was brought back too quick/his injury was mismanaged. Returning from Clairefontaine we assume he was giving the go ahead to play by medics -as a result of scans. However bringing him back on a freezing night in Moscow on a plastic pitch is at best questionable.
  One poster suggested earlier -this latest event might be the club being over cautious – lets hope so.
  Those posters saying Benny is injury prone – are you including his leg fracture in your assessments?

• 37 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:53 PM

  @ Jesper

  So if your advice is wrong – who is at fault

  Also MRI’s can show false positives ie something can look like an injury when it isn’t.

• 38 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

  Jesper
  Everytime a player goes of injured one of the first things that happens is they are sent to a specialist for scans, Newcastle united use several hospitals for this including a couple in london

• 39 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:54 PM

  Mr Funk…after I went to the specialist who did the proper teat (which showed the extend of the problem)

  …Of course not. The evidence was right in front of me!

  You are not really listening to anything I am saying are you or are you just drawing up your own conclusions?

• 40 NUFC_LEAZES END // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:56 PM

  Here’s some interesting stats on Ben arfa.

  Lyon (2004-2008) apps (87) goals (11) assists (11)

  Marseille (2008-2010) apps (91) goals (15) assists (8)

  Newcastle (2010-present) apps (49) goals (10) assists (10)

  I guess those stats suggest that he has significantly improved as a player whilst being with us. That’s when he’s fit anyways

• 41 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:56 PM

  @Jesper,

  You could have ignored the experts advice and carried on playing football

• 42 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

  tads…I don’t think Benny was send for a MRI before after the Fulham game. Yes a player should always be send to a specialist, but that was also one of the conclusions from the analysis from the football association – that doesn’t always happen (far from).

  …I don’t know if you can find that bit of info saying he was, because I cannot!

• 43 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:58 PM

  Mr Funk…are you just being an arse now?

• 44 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 3:59 PM

  @ Jesper,

  I am listening to you but i just think that in the case of injuries everything is not as straight forward as you think it is and therefore it is not easy just to blame the man in charge or anyone else – they are all culpable in their own way.

• 45 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

  Toonarmydownsouth
  Haha if we agree on everything people will think we are one and the same! Don’t want to give the game away do I/we?
  Personally if I were the club they’d both be without wages until they were fully fit and lost the weight

• 46 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

  @ Jesper

  Explain to me why i am being an “arse”

• 47 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:00 PM

  Mr Funk…if my advise is “wrong”- if it is only advise, then I am not to blame for anything.

  …if I sign my john handcock saying it’s so then I am to blame!

• 48 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:01 PM

  Jesper
  All I can do is ask my sister, she works at lister hospital just near Chelsea bridge, it’s where stevie Taylor went when he done his Achilles, she doesn’t know footballers from lamp posts but I’ll ask her next time i see her, although it should be pointed out its not always reported in the press everytime a player goes for a scan or see’s a specialist

• 49 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:02 PM

  Okay I have lost counter on who I haven’t replied yet!

  …anyone feel cheated?

• 50 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:03 PM

  Jesper
  Why don’t u think HBA, our crown jewel apparently, wasent sent for a MRI?

• 51 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:03 PM

  *count

• 52 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM

  Yo…because most expect to not advise you play someone with a hamstring after 16 days and an MRI should show the extend of the injury.

  …even with a degree 1 tear you should not play that soon (it’s very risky)

  And Benny has had major injuries before which would show as well (I don’t think this is just a case of bad luck)

• 53 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:07 PM

  @ Jesper

  What is the difference between advice and signing off in relation to the Ben Arfa injury considering medical staff can only give advice?

• 54 blew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:07 PM

  NUFC @ 25
  Sadly I have to aggre with you.
  At what point do you cut your losses with
  HBA and Gosling?

• 55 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM

  Jesper

  I can’t say for sure but usually we as a club see players for scans properly. Due to injuries we have had we tend to be quite careful so I presume we sent benny for a scan at the appropriate time.

  Also you say you want pardew to use his common sense, I really don’t with injuries. With an injury I want pardew to use the advice given by the medical professional. The only time if want pardew involved with this is if he sees benny struggling in training or a game, then he should remove him from the pitch and get the medic to reasses.

  But if before the game the correct procedure was followed by the medics then pardew should take their advice. Of during the game it appears he is struggling or says he is feeling it then pardew has to not gamble and sub him off.

  Basically I can’t say 100% everything was done correctly and likewise can’t say things were done 100% correctly. He could have been fully fit and just injured it again by chance.

  It’s a pointless argument as its not something which has been an issue with pardew and other players wher le this happens often so I’m inclined to presume it was just bad luck benny hurt himself again

• 56 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:09 PM

  Can i state again that scans only tell you part of the picture, they are not the be all or end all of the injury picture

• 57 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:09 PM

  Jesper

  What if he never tore it though? What if it was just tight. Then 18 days isn’t that short a time.

• 58 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:11 PM

  @ TS @ 55

  I agree with you. No one knows what has gone on regarding the process of assessment of treatment with Ben Arfas injury. You can either blame them all or blame no one

• 59 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:11 PM

  tads…I know that

  …but alot about Benny’s hamstring for me has been questionable! Hamstrings are very tricky and there and most conclusions are indecisive (there are too many variables)

  The concluded a test a few years back on a footballer who had 5 different hamstrings in 5 month (could have been Boilesen haha)

  …cannot remember the outcome of it (but it was very tricky to find a pattern)

• 60 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM

  *They

• 61 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM

  Mr Funk @53….Liability

  If a professional will not sign off on something it is usually because they are not 100% sure and as such it is solely advice and not a recommendation.

  Not that this is relevant to Benny, does anyone know what the hand over procedure was?

  I would think there are certain checks and paperwork to be completed with the needed information…if only for insurance purposes? A hell of a lot of money involved with football at this level can’t imagine these things are agreed by a quick conversation and then throw the lad back in….but I’m not 100% sure.

• 62 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:12 PM

  Jesper
  Fair enough, I’d bank on him being sent to get every test under the sun done though considering how important he is to the team…unless he refused it of course.

  Regardless though I’ve just realised how pointless this argument is haha won’t change anything so I’ll just say am out of this pot and cash in my chips

• 63 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

  Yo…”I’ve just realised how pointless this argument is haha won’t change anything” –

  Because all of our other debates on here change things?

• 64 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

  Mr funk

  I just think it’s more likely the correct process was follower than to presume pardew rushed him back.

  We don’t know the extent of his initial injury, torn muscles or just stiffened up?

  I certainly think pardew could have gambled, were desperate for points so might have brought him back too soon and pushed him. He might have done that for fulham game. Not sure either way, it’s just speculation but you can see he he might have risked it.

  But for the anzi game? Can’t see why he would risk it for a cup game when pardew had other options and the tie was over two legs so wasnt a must win.

• 65 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

  TS…then Benny is a very unlucky man

  …but most specialists I have seen i my playing time have told be that a minor hamstring at pro level is 4-5 weeks is rehabilitation!

  …you can hurry it of course, but it’s not advised! And operations are always the last resort.

• 66 NUFC_LEAZES END // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM

  @blew

  It really is a shame, he’s my favourite player when he’s fit, but that’s rare these days, and daft teams like Liverpool, psg, anzhi, and zenit would pay stupid amounts for a player like Ben arfa.
  So it would only be right to get rid if we can, and raid the Dutch league (as we are supposed to be this summer) and attempt to sign players like wijnaldum, narsingh, maher, bony e.t.c
  It would only improve our team and give us more options

• 67 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:16 PM

  Anyone know any hamstring specialists?

• 68 Troy Stavers // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

  I find it laughable that some seem to think they know better than the player, manager and medical whilst they tap away on their keyboards, having never seen a fit hamstring in their lives.
  It beggars belief.

• 69 Carryingcoals // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:17 PM

  It’s my birthday today, progressing in to the quarter finals would be the perfect present but without Ben Arfa… phwoar it’ll be difficult.

  No Benny, no Goofy and no debuchy. Uh oh.

• 70 colwell // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM

  So the dead leg Benny picked up at Anzi has now turned into a hamstring setback?

  Its the same story when Tiote gets injured and a simple knock keeps him out for ages and yet we are told he should be back next game,then the one after and so on.

  In the summer we definitely need to sign 2 wingers, HBA is a luxury player who misses alot of games. On his day is by far our best player and my favorite but we need decent backup for him as you know he isn’t going to play a majority of games. Injury prone? it is looking that way.

• 71 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:18 PM

  Just doing some quick research and found this:

  MR imaging of the acute hamstring injury appears useful in estimating time away from sport, but is limited in identifying individuals at risk for reinjury.

• 72 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:19 PM

  Leazes… Narsingh would’ve been an awesome signing cant believe psv got him for 4.1 million. 20 assists for hevvereneen, not sure how much he’d cost now though.

• 73 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM

  Ibiza
  Haha I have changed many a mind I’ll have u know! Cheeky scamp!

  Tbh am just not that bothered about the subject to continue with it but I was being polite!

• 74 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM

  Carrying…Happy Birthday. Hope you’ve had / are having a great day and that the lads can give you something extra to celebrate tomorrow.

• 75 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

  happy birthday carrying. Does this mean you’ll be joining tsunki and the other old men on the blog? If so you’re officially fair game for you’re so old jokes

• 76 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

  Yo…Always the gentleman

• 77 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

  I got a message on Sunday after the match that Benni was out for up to 3 weeks with a re-accurance of his hamstring injury

• 78 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:21 PM

  @ Ibiza

  From my experience of treating musculoskeletal injuries there is no 100%, only degrees of certainty

• 79 NUFC_LEAZES END // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:22 PM

  @rainrix

  Yeah it was a steal when they paid that for him, I think he would cost other teams about 15 mil, but because we are hagglers and bargain hunters, probably get him between 7-12mil

• 80 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:23 PM

  Okay I have to attend to junior and give him some grub

  …I’ll try and read through the comments later.

  TS…I am not removing Pardew from fault on this one (unless of course every precaution and scan was conducted accordantly)

  …then of course I’ll exonerate him

• 81 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:24 PM

  Also found this:

  While there is no consensus on when an athlete can safely return to sport following a hamstring strain injury, once full range of motion, strength and functional activities (eg, jumping, running, cutting) can be performed, the athlete is typically regarded as being ready to return to play. However, these criteria are likely too vague as pain and stiffness associated with the injury typically resolve within 1 to 2 weeks, while the underlying injury and risk of reinjury may persist for several more weeks. Recent prospective studies have revealed that physical exam findings at the time of injury were ineffective at predicting injury recurrence. The development of quantitative post-treatment parameters to objectively characterize musculotendon recovery and readiness to return to sport is therefore an important avenue of future research

• 82 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

  I’m done with this debate now…none of us know what went on and we have to wait and see how long he is out for.

  Hopefully things were done properly and this is bad luck. If not lessons will hopefully have been learned and this kind of mistake won’t happen again.

• 83 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

  Leazes… I’d take my hat off if they could get him for 7mil brilliant replacement for…. erm obertan

• 84 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:25 PM

  Mr Funk…I have next to no knowledge of the medical profession, hence why I just said professionals in general. I do know enough to know there are generally no certainties in medicine and little guarantees (well I’d imagine no one would happily sign off saying someone is 100% after an injury).

  I was quite shocked the see Benny start tbh and afterwards it was said that he is clearly match fit so you do have to wonder why he started. But there are little facts available to us, so it would be unreasonable to apportion blame solely on one person….but hey, it’s not like Pardew is not used to it by now

• 85 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:26 PM

  Mr. Funk…the reinjury part is very tricky you are right!

  …this article is actually quite interesting – not that it will shine a brighter light on Benny though

  http://bjsportmed.com/content/early/2013/02/14/bjsports-2012-091400.full

• 86 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:27 PM

  Has anyone considered wait for it……..

  ……Pardew playing mind games again?

• 87 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:28 PM

  Rainrix…Only an idiot would do that again…oooo…now I see. You may be on to something there.

• 88 TheToonKing // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:30 PM

  No Krul, Debuchy, Gouffran or Arfa . 3-4 really key players for us at the moment.

  It will be tough tomorrow for sure…

• 89 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:33 PM

  Toon king

  It certainly won’t be easy. Both teams will be better on a real pitch.

  It coul go either way but we have had a solid defence in Europe so hopefully that continues and we get a few goals.

• 90 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:34 PM

  Ibiza…. Well i was right about shola scoring, hba starting last week so hopefully i’ll make it a hattrick. tremble before my powers!!!!!!

• 91 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:36 PM

  The problem tommorow is going to be wing play. If now isnt the oppertunity to play santon on the wing then it never will be.

• 92 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:37 PM

  Happy birthday carrying mate, I’m sure the lads will get you win on Thursday!!!

• 93 will die for the toon army // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:39 PM

  Team for Anzi:
  …………………………..Rob
  Simpson…….Yanga…….S.Taylor……..Haidara
  …………………..Tiote……………Cabaye
  Sisoko…………………Manveux……………Santon
  ……………………………..Cisse

• 94 Carryingcoals // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:41 PM

  ibiza/tads

  cheers boys, looking forward to tomorrow despite my pessimism. Had to take a minute out of my day for some class ibiza optimism to put me back on track

• 95 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:42 PM

  Rainrix…With great power comes great responsibility. But as always, I tremble in your presence.

• 96 Carryingcoals // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM

  classic*

• 97 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM

  Carrying…Oh dear, now I’m feeling the pressure.

  Think Ibiza, something optimistic…ermmm…well…..truth is, it will be a tough game, as you know, but we are more than capable of winning this game. You know it, I know it and that is all I need to be optimistic about the game (as I am going in to all games)

  Not great, but it’s the best I can do. Now be bloody optimistic or you wont be getting your birthday cake!

• 98 Carryingcoals // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:48 PM

  5-0 rout it is then!! Take it easy guys, catch you tomorrow

• 99 IITianToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:49 PM

  SO no Ben Arfa, well solves the confusion of who to play RB : SANTON!!

  But who plays on the left, babysitter Jonas seems the only option!!

• 100 Unbelievable Tekkers // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

  WTF are our medical team playing at thats twice he has been brought back to early

• 101 lesh // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

  Given Ben Arfa’s susceptibibity to injury, I’d be relaxed about letting him go for a good price.

  However, I’ll qualify that by saying that he should not be sold to any another EPL side – especially our friends whose pastime seems to be unsettling other clubs’ players, when not scavenging from other peoples’ rubbish bins!!)

• 102 Rotonda heights // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

  why oh why did we play him from the start in sub zero temperatures on a plastic pitch?

  Just one of those factors is lunacy but putting them altogether is stupidity beyond belief, as was bringing him back too soon previously and playing him from the start in an earlier meaningless match.

  Step forward Mr Marveaux please as we’re desperate for creativity with no goofy either now.

• 103 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM

  Carrying….Sure, why not? Have a good one.

• 104 tweaked // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:53 PM

  This is starting to look like a kieron dyer situation…l hope they can bring him back to full fitness

• 105 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:54 PM

  IITian…I can see Jonas starting tomorrow. Whilst we need to be on the attack tomorrow we can’t be stupid and give away a silly away goal, so I don’t expect an all out attacking team.

  Rotonda…I really hope if Marv plays he gives one of his better displays. That little bit of magic could be the difference tomorrow.

• 106 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:54 PM

  Rotonda
  Not sure I’d say it was a meaningless match, the chance to book ourselves into a European quarter final

• 107 robin // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:56 PM

  Pardew, is to blame for playing HBA, in the first place. Pardew, wouldn’t play Jonas, yet plays HBA, who is recovering from along injury lay off. This is the same idiot who was crticising HBA, for being unfit just days before the Anzhi game in the press. The same press that he used to have a go at Santon, Cisse and Tiote. That’s how we know he is third rate, when he leaks every problem to the media. Fergie or Wenger never criticise their players in public.

• 108 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 4:57 PM

  Tweaked
  I won’t class it as dyer-esque until he puts him self out for six weeks after poking himself in the eye with a stick during training

• 109 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:00 PM

  Robin
  LMFAO what sort of idiot are you!
  Fergie and wenger constantly slag there players off!
  Seriously just p1ss of back to sexuallyabusedmackems.com your getting boring now

• 110 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:02 PM

  A quick view from my phone; nice to see I am not the only one thinking Benny was mismanaged this tima around

  …though I was crazy for a moment lol

• 111 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:03 PM

  Even without HBA, we have enough quality to get the win against the russians. It’s not going to be easy. The defense has to remain resolute and try to pick up the clean sheet, and our forward line has to convert the few chances that we are going to have. (while neither team flattered to impress, their defense was working well)

  Knowing that HBA is not going to be on the team sheet for this game, I’d like to see:

  ——————— Elliot ————————-
  Simmo—–Saylor—–Mbwia——-Haidara
  —————Perch—-Anita——————–
  Cabeye———-Sissoko————Jonas
  ———————-Cisse————————-

  Bench: Alnwick, Santon, Bigi, Tiote, Marveax, Obertan, Shola, Campbell

  Bring Marveaux on at 70′ for Perch or Anita, push Cabs back to deep lying Mid, and Socks out left.

  Campbell or Shola (depending on what is needed, pace or someone give a more physical presence) for Cisse if he’s spinning his wheels

  Santon can cover for either Simmo, Haidara or Jonas.

  Obertan should have the zipper on his warm up suit super glued shut so he can’t get in the game. I would have put Gosling on the bench instead, but sadly think Obertan is a better option.

  If the team plays pass and watch, there’s no way we’ll get the win. If they move off the ball and provide passing options, very good chance we can walk away with a big, confidence boosting win.

  I just hope Pardew does not park the bus, or the players park the bus when Anzhi press forward. (I think it’s become a habit from when we were underperforming earlier in the year.)

  Mbwia and Saylor are going to have a handful trying to handcuff both Traore and E’to on a natural pitch. I think they were both tentative last week due to the surface that the game was played on. (goes for our team as well) Either going to be a very low scoring game (0-0 or 1-0) or a high scoring shootout. Don’t think it’ll be a blow out by either side.

• 112 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:04 PM

  Jesper…Not related to this topic, but don’t ever doubt that you’re crazy…You’re certifiable

  Tads…Are you sure about that? I can’t think of a time when Sir Alex has ever criticised his players in public?

• 113 IITianToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:04 PM

  Ben10 looked so fat in that game, a far cry from his leaner and awesomely fit shape at the start of the season.

• 114 IITianToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:06 PM

  @Dag I am sorry but playing Cabaye wide makes absolutely no sense!! He is the guy who should be making passes to the wing, not receive them. In my humble opinion.

• 115 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:08 PM

  Jesper
  I’d panic if I only had robin backing my argument!!

  Ibiza
  Ferguson is a constant professional who during his entire career has never even criticised even a lowly match official…..

• 116 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:09 PM

  robin,

  The tripe you’re spouting is old already. Pardew, in your eyes, would have been wrong to play HBA. Pardew would have been wrong, in your eyes again, had he NOT played HBA. Your personal, biased hatred of Pardew permeates all of your entries here and makes you sound like a broken record. Pardew could win the EL and every game from here on out this season and you’d still slag him off.

  You’d fit right in at the local mackem dive on the corner drinking the high brow goat pi$$ they serve.

• 117 Marty-Toon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:10 PM

  On the Ben Arfa and Messi likeness,
  I think we can see that Ben Arfa as the quality to be as good but Messi is surrounded by players throughout the team that can play deadly one touch football with lots of quick movement and although we’ve got Cabaye and Sissoko and maybe 1 or2 others that could also play like they do.
  The other thing is that Messi isn’t injured often and hurts teams all the time,Benny is often anonymous.
  He showed with the goal against Blackburn and Bolton that he’s an amazing talent but again it’s all too seldom we see it.
  Possibly he’s being played too wide and should be more forward lie a Nr.10 and he could hurt teams more
  He’s got a long way to go to show he’s of Messi quality,consistency is the key

• 118 Jail for Ashley // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM

  Seemingly according to a lot of posters Pards is at fault for risking HBA, where as Mike Ashley has gotten off Scott free for leaving us with only two fit experienced strikers one of whom is cup tied to see us through a turbulent season and an EL campaign.

• 119 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM

  IItian toon @113
  Thought that was going to turn into a joke!
  How bout bennys so fat he sat on a rainbow and skittles popped out!
  Over to you rainrix!

• 120 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:13 PM

  @IITian Toon,

  He’d be a lot more effective on the wing than what Marveaux has shown this season. Also, I don’t think that those should be set in stone, but fluid assignments. Cabs wouldn’t be stuck just on the right side, but overlapping with Sissoko. It would also give him a license to get further up the pitch regularly than the deep lying, almost CDM position, that he plays now.

• 121 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:14 PM

  Ibiza…and people say you and I are alike

  tads…do I only have robin in my corner? lol

• 122 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:15 PM

  JFA
  Your right, if there was a secure place, a building perhaps, where we could lock him up, take away his human comforts for a determined amount of time
  Damn it why doesn’t such a place exist!!!

• 123 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:15 PM

  @jesper,

  Is it lonely being the only toon fan in that corner?

• 124 IITianToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:15 PM

  @toondoonsooth Over to you on the Benny is so fat jokes…

• 125 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:17 PM

  Jesper
  Looks like it mate……..

  Dagwoodz
  Wouldn’t mind seeing sissoko on the right guti on the left if Marv was to start, agree his showings fom the wing, both sides, have been very very poor

• 126 NUFC_LEAZES END // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:18 PM

  MY team for tomoro.

  Elliot
  simmo saylor mbiwa haidara
  anita tiote perch
  cabaye sissoko
  cisse

  if we aren’t winning by 60th min

  Elliot
  simmo saylor mbiwa haidara
  cabaye anita sissoko
  marv
  cisse ameobi
  ——————————————

  team we’ll probably field

  Elliot
  simmo saylor mbiwa santon
  cabaye sissoko tiote
  marv cisse Jonas

• 127 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:18 PM

  Jesper…I’m too young and handsome to be likened with you….not far off of the mental state though

  Tads…Rainrix doesn’t need encouraging!

• 128 Rotonda heights // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM

  tads

  I’m not talking about the Anji game just gone, it was before when we played a qualifier way back when we were as good as through the group stages.

• 129 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM

  benny is so fat he can feed one of those entire villages where all the kids are wearing “invest in sunderland” shirts?

• 130 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:21 PM

  sorry ibiza, couldnt resist…

• 131 SportBilly // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:21 PM

  Doesn’t sound like he will make the game on Sunday either which is unfortunate.

• 132 Rotonda heights // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:22 PM

  tads

  Sorry a blonde moment there. Yes and the Anji game of course. But it was a perfect storm as he started the game in sub zero conditions on a plastic pitch after a long lay off.
  last 20 – 30 mins maybe but from the off seemed to be asking for trouble.

• 133 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:23 PM

  Rotonda
  Fair enough then mate

  Dok
  Pennywell???

• 134 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:23 PM

  Ben arfas so fat he deep fries his toothpaste

  Am i too late?

• 135 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:25 PM

  Dag…yes it’s lonely at the top mate

  …Ibiza they call you mr. wringle lol

  tads…there are bound to be others – I say it is peer pressure and being likend to robin! I was even compared to Catchy ones (think I got an apology afterwards, but you get the meaning)

• 136 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:27 PM

  Rotonda
  About the anzhi game, tbf you could say that if any of the lads got injured to be fair, Marv is not too long back from an injury, cabs had played at the weekend along with socks etc.
  I also think too much is made if the plastic pitch, play on a tiger turf one every Friday all year round and we never have injuries really, granted though that’s not in sub zero conditions!!!

• 137 Rotonda heights // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:27 PM

  Leazes end

  Very difficult to see where goals would come from that first line up. Simmo is useless in the opposition half. Just think we have to gamble with Marv in the Benny position, even though he only does cameos not 90 mins!!

• 138 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:28 PM

  Rainrix
  Just in time!
  Benny so fat he gives stevie Taylor the clothes he’s grown out of!

• 139 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:29 PM

  @Tads

  That could work too. I just think that Cabs creativity is hampered by being so deep lying. Hard to take Sissoko out of the hole behind Cisse as he’s been playing there so effectively. They could line up like this and just leave Anita, Tiote or Perch as the link up between defense and the midfield….

  ————————–Elliot————————-
  Simmo———-Saylor—Mbwia———Haidara
  —————–Anita / Perch / Tiote————–
  Cabeye——Marveaux—-Socks——Gutierrez
  ————————–Cisse————————-

  Could bring on Santon for Simmo, swap Guti and Cabs to give that extra defensive cover for Santon’s unpredictable runs forward. My only problem with starting Marv is that when he starts, he absolutely goes missing for large portions of the game. Would much rather see him as an impact sub with 15-20 minutes to play.

  Anita could be used out wide as well, putting Marv on the bench again, with Tiote/Perch in the CDM position, and Cabs sliding over to play next to and overlapping with Socks.

  There are a ton of different ways to configure the team, so it’s just going to depend on Pard’s opinion of how Anzhi are going to play and what he needs to prepare his team for. I’ll say this though; it’s a nice problem to have. Earlier this season, the team picked itself, or if it didn’t, players had to play way outside of their position and comfort zones due to lack of options.

• 140 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:32 PM

  Tayls is so fat he bleeds gravy.

  Come on guys berate our players!

• 141 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:33 PM

  Ok, I’ll give it a shot with these…

  Benny’s so fat Mashley lets him use clothes out of his closet.

  *shrug* I tried…

• 142 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:35 PM

  Dagwoodz
  Very true it’s great to have selection problems due to having to many good players rather than being crippled by injuries!!
  The only thing i’d say about cabs wide is, although his control and vision along with his ability to beat a man is sublime, against stoke his crossing was p1ss poor, mind you so was everyone else’s!
  Would like to see Anita play really do rate this lad think he’s a cracking player!
  Heard that willian is still out which is defo good news as when he went off they suddenly looked like a group of individuals rather than a team, and struggled to really go for us

• 143 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:37 PM

  Dagz… Your input is valuable

• 144 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:39 PM

  Where’s ibizatoon he’s letting the whole blog down, especially robin

• 145 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:40 PM

  Another…in line with today’s hot topic…

  The Newcastle medical staff is so poor, they consult JFK for medical advice…

• 146 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:41 PM

  Benny is so fat that it could lead on to some serious health issues including type 2 diabetes. This isn’t a joke, just a serious concern for the fat b*st*rd.

• 147 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:41 PM

  Thanks Rainrix.

  I’m just trying to remain cautiously optimistic about the progress the team is making on the back half of the season. After following the Hartford Whalers (rip), the Patriots when they were terrible, and NUFC, I’m constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop.

• 148 NUFC_LEAZES END // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:42 PM

  @rotunda

  well we all know that cabaye and sissoko can threaten the goal when in advanced positions, not to mention papiss cisse.
  whilst tiote perch and anita sit in front of the back four, so the likes of willian or taison (whatever hes called) don’t wander in the free space between the midfield and defence.
  haidara and simmo aren’t the worst at supporting the attacks aswell.

• 149 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:43 PM

  tads…I had to take a step away when I saw that the maturity levels on here were plummeting. I’m only here for reasoned and intelligent debate.

  That’s probably the biggest joke I can ever tell.

• 150 Dagwoodz // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:43 PM

  Ibiza, you’re concern is quite humbling.

  Nevermind. Who am I joking here…

  Benny’s new nickname in the team is Mr. Glass

• 151 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:44 PM

  Ibiza… Your cheery optimism is grating a little now mate, cant even tell a negative joke properly

• 152 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:46 PM

  Ibiza
  Well the big problem is who would benny take advice from for such an illness, I know the doctors would prescribe insulin but if he forgets to take its Pardews fault the poor lad can’t win with the silver fox out to kill him

• 153 IITianToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:46 PM

  @Dag I think you should swap Anita and Cabs in your lineup.,. and I would say that would be much much better.

  Thing is on the sides of the pitch, you need a lot of stop start sprints, Cabs has not struck me to be the runner kind so far Heaven forbid if his groin SNAPS WHILE TRYING TO LATCH ONTO A THROUGH

• 154 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:49 PM

  Rainrix…I’m a reformed man (it happened it the last 10 minutes). It wasn’t a joke, just concern.

  Tads…That is a problem. But why try and solve a problem when we already have someone to blame? Really can’t believe Pardew has given Hatem diabetes. Whatever next?

• 155 IITianToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:54 PM

  And Cabaye is the Xavi of our team.. I’d prefer him to stay in that role [Mind you there is no Messi to who he can pass like Xavi does.. ]

• 156 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:55 PM

  Ibiza
  It’s shocking what that man will stoop to I hear cabaye caught him tampering with debuchy’s brakes but he was too stupid and accidentally gave debs car a full service and valet cleaning
  Scum

• 157 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:55 PM

  spits my drink ibiza’s post… reasoned and intelligent debate… ibiza, youre the leader of this blog of miscreants…

• 158 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 5:56 PM

  bennys so fat, ahab harpooned him instead….

• 159 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM

  Dok… Ibizas simply a puppet that i use to do my bidding, im the real master. Of course dont tell anyone

• 160 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:00 PM

  Tads…If he wasn’t so stupid he’s be dangerous.

  Dok…Easy now, I’m not taking any responsibility for you lot. I am merely a pawn in Pardews evil, albeit stupid, master plan.

• 161 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:01 PM

  Rainrix…Shhh…don’t let everyone know you’re really Pardew…you’re blowing it all oh master.

• 162 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:04 PM

  Ibiza… Of course i could just be saying that to throw everyone off,

• 163 yo-yo // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:05 PM

  I definitely wouldn’t ask an architect to comment or advise on sports injuries any more than I’d ask a medic to design a building.
  Everyone knows all about medical conditions these days because they can google and self diagnose, then self prescribe.

  The biggest worry is that Benny is going to be a Dyer in terms of being prone to recurrent injuries. He has been treated at the TOP French medical establishment, has had the benefit of our own medical team and, no doubt, a lot of independent specialists too.

  Anybody blaming Pardew or the medics is a total F-wit.
  I never blamed my doctor when he diagnosed cancer but I did thank him when he got it sorted out.
  I never blamed my architect when my building contractor went bust either.

• 164 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:06 PM

  Rainrix…You could, but then again maybe not? Who knows? Do you? Do I? Does Pardew? Who is Pardew? What does Pardew mean?

  Hopefully we’ve done enough to throw them off now. Phew, now we can relax.

• 165 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:09 PM

  i is now thouroughly confused… i have a solution.. fire pardew!!!! hes the worst manager ever,.. he bought the mgr of the year award last year, bought it i tells you!!!

• 166 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:09 PM

  Ibiza… Yeah hopefully.

  Pardews so stupid he thought christmas wrap was snoop dogs holiday album.

  That should do it

• 167 Jail for Ashley // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM

  Does anybody want to sponsor Rainrix and Ibiza for their gruelling climb up Brokeback mountain.

• 168 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:18 PM

  Well it certainly has made the blog quiet. Was that part of the plan oh master?

• 169 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:20 PM

  Jail…It’s more just for the fun than for charity, but cheers.

• 170 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:22 PM

  Ibizas so deep in the closet he’s bumming aslan in narnia.

  Happy jail

• 171 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM

  JFA
  How much would it be? I’ve only got a couple of quid im not sure how much baby oil that would buy

  Yo yo
  Of course you didn’t blame your doctor or architect, why would you when it’s so obvious it’s Pardews fault, just like both world wars, apparently hitler was in Pardews youth academy

• 172 Mister Tuff // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:24 PM

  Ibiza @ 164 – you posed the question ” What does Pardew mean”.
  The name originates from Old French – “par dieu” which translates to “by God”.
  I wish I hadn’t posted this info now as it may be used by the Pardew acolytes (also known as the Blind Faith Brigade) to justify all his decisions. -It was the hand of God, it was Devine intervention blah blah blah.

• 173 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM

  And for gods sake where the f is catchy! Worried that we’ll start seeing him in the side of milk cartons soon!

• 174 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:25 PM

  Just so I’m clear, my niche on this blog as far as jokes being directed at me are going to be gay jokes?

  Faaaabbulous

• 175 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:26 PM

  JfA.. ill donate some non alcoholic beer. for their journey… doesnt sell at all…

• 176 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM

  Mister tuff
  Rod for your own back there mate

  Our father who art in heaven pardew be thy name……..

• 177 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:28 PM

  are we to say ibiza is so gay, liberace raids ibiza’s closet ?

• 178 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:28 PM

  Mister…Well seeing as you’re in the mood to help out the “other side”, did you know that Pardew is an anagram for warped. Now, I’m not going to help you with his first name apart from saying it is along the same theme as brokeback mountain.

  Tads…Quite an advertising campaign that would be.

  “Pardew Out” with a picture of catchy on every milk carton.

• 179 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM

  You know ive made a fair few brokeback jokes in my time and yet ive never actually seen it. Anyone care to post a quick review?

• 180 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:34 PM

  Rainrix…That question seems like it’s a trap. Not sure where this paranoia comes from

• 181 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:34 PM

  Rainrix
  It’s a touching story of two cowboys on a brave journey of self discoveryyyyyy Wait a minute I’m not falling for that, don’t mate never seen……phew

• 182 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:35 PM

  rain, i havent either, but i believe the principle ofit was montana farmers, who were jilted by their sheep, and found love on top of a mountain…

  ibiza, i was kidding… we know youre the ladies man in ibiza… a long standing member of the cabana boy clan

• 183 Tinman // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:36 PM

  Cant beleive its been suggested that our influential captain and French International CM Yohan Cabaye could / should play on the wing on Thursday. Hes that good of a player I have no doubt he could do a job there, but you dont put your best CM on the wing when you have other options. Madness.

  I think we can all agree the back five will look the same as against them in the 1st leg with Taylor probably being swapped for Perch.

  That leaves a midfielders to choose from – Anita, Cabaye, Tiote, Perch, Jonas, Marveaux, Obertan, Sissoko, Gosling and Bigirimana

  And Cisse up front.

  I would expect the team to be this:

  —————–Elliot—————–
  Sim—–Tayl—–Mbiwa—–Haid
  ———–Tiote——Cabaye——–
  Anita———Sissoko——–Jonas
  —————-Cisse——————

  Possible changes:
  Haidara – Santon
  Simpson – Santon
  Tiote – Perch
  Taylor – Perch
  Anita – Marveaux

  Subs:
  If winning
  Cisse – Shola
  Perch – Sissoko
  If losing
  Anita – Marveaux
  Jonas – Shola
  Haidara – Santon

• 184 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM

  What the hell. I thought it was a decent movie. Now be a “big boy” and watch it

  Dok…What you need to remember is…oh forget it.

• 185 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:40 PM

  ITS A TRAP!!!

  Like how you both assumed i was leading you guys down a dark alley. That was a genuine question. Thank you dok for your summary

• 186 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM

  Rainrix…If I had thought there was a dark alley involved I would not have hesitated.

• 187 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM

  well its a guess rain, dont take my word for it, let us know tomorrow after you watch it, lol…

• 188 Tinman // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM

  Let my good friend Peter Griffin explain guys….

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi7_z4T1XUg

• 189 obatoyou // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

  do u think we can win tomorrow

• 190 Rozzy // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:44 PM

  hope he doesnt end up been another kiron dyer

• 191 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:45 PM

  Tinman…

  Also, agree with your formation apart from maybe Anita on the wing. Not sure what Pardew has planned for that spot.

• 192 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:47 PM

  Tinman…. Sorry that your genuine football comment has been drowned out by cowboy love.

  Ibiza…. Dark alley, euthanisms *cough *cough

• 193 davis_toons // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:49 PM

  This guy almost cant play football ever again. So any injury is a big concern.

  I counld be an excuse but..
  He use to run with the ball and call the show when he come here after recovering from his injury to start anew …but the incident – have again change this person thinking and his thoughts.

• 194 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:49 PM

  Rainrix…Was that a cough or a gag? Sorry, forgot where I was for a second.

• 195 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:49 PM

  Dok… I knew it was about cowboy lovin’ just wondered if there was actually a decent movie under there once everyones dont giggiling like schoolgirls cowboy sex

• 196 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:51 PM

  Ibiza… I cant cough with a gag on.

  Wait what are we talking about?

• 197 Tinman // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:51 PM

  Ibiza, yeah mate, I just cant see him playing Obertan after his last performance. Maybe it will be Marveaux and then shift Jonas to the right. But he just hasnt looked half the player compared to in the middle (Sissokos spot).

  Wouldnt even surprise me if Shola starts up front and Cisse plays there!

  We just dont seem to have any wingers at the club, such a shame Gouffran cant play.

• 198 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:52 PM

  yo-yo…I like the analogy but it doesn’t really fit the argument neither does tads perspectives to world events!

  …anyone up for second round?

  Or I’ll just go back to my drawingboard!!!

• 199 davis_toons // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:52 PM

  Its wasted. But i would rather him at our bench and then others. I wouldnt mind him being our Sub anytime. He can be a rotating player.

  Once he play he give us something different. Its good enough. Just like how his former club use him at time only.

  Our club is big enough to keep Owen, and is surly enough to keep a squad player of this quality (Winger).

• 200 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:54 PM

  Rainrix…As usual, I don’t really know with any certainty.

  Joking aside, It was a well shot movie, but if you’re going to be all big and butch about it you probably wont enjoy it

  Tinman…I’m with you there, I can’t see Obertan getting the nod, maybe Marv as you say (off the back of his assist?!?), but he really doesn’t impress me as a winger whatsoever. Maybe put Sissoko on the wing?

  Whatever he does, please no Cisse on the wing.

• 201 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

  rain, i wouldnt know, i live in tex-ass rememember… i think theyre all a little light int he loafers… i mean, cowboy boots are just an excuse to wear high heels, lmao…

• 202 Tinman // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM

  I would rather see Sissoko sacrificed and Marveaux coming down the middle, but is it not wasting Sissoko’s raw power and drive through the middle?

  I honestly think Anita could do a job there. Oh well will just have to wait and see!

  Hopefully the stadiums going to be booming, after seeing the atmosphere in Strawberry corner against Kharkiv I made sure I got my seats there this time. Exciting times!

• 203 dcdick // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM

  What is it with NUFC & leg injuries ? ………………………..this has been going on for years now. (Remember Tony Green ?)

  Time for some changes in the medical/physio side of this club….. it’s costing us millions of £££££’s

• 204 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM

  Some advice please, what do you think I should watch for a game of beautiful football?

  Bayern vs Arsenal

  or

  Blackburn vs Millwall

  It’s a tough one.

• 205 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 6:59 PM

  Ibiza…. I cried at i am legend when the dog died, butch doesnt come into it

  Dok…. Wow the clues are there then, just need to scratch the surface a little

• 206 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:01 PM

  Tinman…Would I chose Marv over Sissoko in the middle? Not normally, but looking at the bigger picture it may work better for us. Anita may work well on the right mind, not really sure tbh.

  Either way, I too am excited. Hope you enjoy the match.

• 207 DokToon // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:02 PM

  ibiza, id watch arsenal get thrashed… but thats me…

• 208 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:03 PM

  Tinman
  I pray to god (pardew ) that obertan doesn’t play tomos would seriously rather see jonas left and socks wasted right with Marv through the middle, ober just offers nout to the game other than frustration and aimless running to the touch line

• 209 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:04 PM

  Rainrix…There goes my mental image of you then Certainly worth a watch, but obviously not so good that I’ve felt the need to watch it again.

• 210 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM

  Rainrix
  You cried? I laughed before kicking my cat mwuuhahaha

• 211 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:05 PM

  To be fair socks drifts everywhere when he plays. I reckon he’s more than capable of playing on the wings. I really want to see santon on the wing with haidara and simmo as full backs. Solid defence plus santons running with none of the defensive errors

• 212 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:06 PM

  Dok…But Blackburn and Millwall really do set the standard when it comes to football….Bayern it is then

• 213 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:07 PM

  Ibiza
  I reckon wor rebecca may well be disappearing from your blog page and replaced by rodney….

• 214 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:07 PM

  Tads…That’s because you’re not a soft northerner.

  I best leave now, quickly

• 215 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:08 PM

  Tads…Good. That cheating b*tch and I are finished.

• 216 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:09 PM

  Graeme sourness is actually starting an argument with himself on Sky sports 2 right now! Quiet funny to watch til smith n redknapp butted in!

• 217 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:10 PM

  Ibiza… Dare i ask what image you had of me? If it restores that image for you if i had to choose between shooting a person or a dog id go pro canine. Does that make me a good or bad person?

  Tads…. Kick cats all you want, just dogs i have a soft spot for.

• 218 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:10 PM

  Ibiza
  No matter where i go she’s only 3 miles behind me, thought what we had was special fat b1tch!

• 219 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:11 PM

  Rainrix
  My cat is a post op dogsexual……

• 220 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:12 PM

  Sorry guys, I’ll be back in a bit. Just need to make a quick appearance on Sky News

• 221 Rainrix // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:14 PM

  I knew you had that gig ibiza. Congrats!

  Tads… Lulu wut?

• 222 northernirishtoon // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:16 PM

  Willian def out 2moro

  Will limit their attacking threat big time

  Can see us winning comfortably

• 223 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:16 PM

  Can you hear that crowd?

  Ibizatoon! Ibizatoon!

  I do wish they’d hurry up and get me out there..at least the wifi works well here.

  tads…Sounds like one confused kitty you got there

  Rainrix…Cheers.

• 224 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:18 PM

  Ibiza
  Are they covering a court case in which your being convicted?

• 225 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:20 PM

  Tads…Now that’s just silly.

  Anyone want me to give them a shout out?

• 226 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:21 PM

  They best hurry up or I’ll skip the ceremony. Wonder if they’re showing the football somewhere in here.

• 227 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:21 PM

  All hail Ibiza bergoglio!

• 228 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:23 PM

  They forgot the black stripes on my robes.

  Not too pleased. This place needs a right shake up.

• 229 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:23 PM

  LOOOOOOOOOL
  Ibiza your so old your birth certificate is chiseled on a cave wall!

• 230 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:24 PM

  tads…As he walked out I just knew an old joke would be coming my way

• 231 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM

  Wow
  Arsene wenger has just set up to absolutely spanked what I sh1t back line!
  He might aswell if posted a resignation letter than a team sheet!!!!

• 232 yo-yo // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:26 PM

  Jesper

  In what way does the argument fail ?

  It has always p-d me off when people claim expert opinion outside their area of expertise. I know very few genuine polymaths.

  I’ll go with the medical opinions and if they are uncertain then that is down to the nature of the condition.

  You not started using CAD yet ? Aren’t drawing boards just for show ?

• 233 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM

  Ibiza
  Happy to oblige!

  Fabianski jenkinson mertesacker konscielny gibbs
  That’s a poor back line
  Arteta ramsey rosisky
  That’s a weak midfield the likes of kroos muller and robben are going to have a field day!

• 234 Ibizatoon - Back by popular demand // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:30 PM

  Right then…I’m off for the party!

  Catch you guys tomorrow.

  Not looking good for Arsenal or should I say it’s looking less good than it already was?

  Bye

• 235 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM

  Yo yo
  Your right, an argument based on opinion can’t be won or lost, neither side has behind the scenes facts its just opinion and instinct!
  I’m with you you have a medical team in place to advise you on the medical conditioning of your players, why would you ignore that can’t get my head round that

• 236 robin // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:31 PM

  Toonarmydownsouth, are you a pervert with Homosexual leanings? Because you certainly aren’t a football fan you seem to flit between insulting anyone who criticises Pardew, and looking for Homo-love you deviate! Its probably due to living South of the Tyne. You lowlife!

• 237 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:32 PM

  I see the new pope has been chosen – they reckon he is Argentinian. Could it be Rome where our skippers sneaked off to.

• 238 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:39 PM

  Robin
  Lol
  Only insult you mate because you offer less than absolutely fcuk all to the blog, no debate, no banter, just a sad little mackem looking for some attention!
  Does “homo love” scare you? Sounds like someone not comfortable with there sexuality, confused little boy
  Although nice to see you post without pards bashing must be a first for you congrats!
  By the way, who did insult for being “against pardew”
  Oh by the way a fear of people from other places that you perceive to be foreign is called being xenophobic so wow xenophobic and homophobic, if you ever find out who your dad is I’m sure he’ll be proud!

• 239 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:40 PM

  yo-yo…I draw both freehand, CAD and 3D (Sketchup, Rhino or REVIT)

  …I like to draw when I am conceiving an idea (right now I am drawing a vacation house) Been doing some sketches and now I am using CAD be to see if it fits

  Will be sketching it up in Sketchup tomorrow or Friday I think and then do some renders (VRay) next week

  You argue that because Pardew or his medic deceived Benny was ready after 16 days of rest that it’s so! (we don’t even know if Benny had any scans or only rest)

  They can concluded it’s a hamstring very quickly (don’t need scans for that, but you need it to see the extend).

  For all we know Pardew asked his medic’ to try and have Benny ready for the Fulham game – maybe they were asked if “could” play not if they thought he should.

  I don’t think you’ll come across many sports doctors that would recommend you play 16 days after a hamstring at that level (doesn’t mean you can’t it’s just reckless)

  You are just making parallels that doesn’t make sense!

• 240 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM

  Charlie
  I couldn’t see his hair in the crowd maybe the pope will convince Ashley to let colo go to Lorenzo on a free as long as ash can put a sports direct logo on the popes hat!

• 241 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:46 PM

  yo-yo…the facts we now are Benny played 16 days after a hamstring (we don’t know what precautions there were taken) Most sports doctors would say you need 4-5 weeks rehabilitation.

  We know he has a major setback and has been out 3 month. In that period we know he has been in France whee our medic team nor Pardew can follow him closely and make sure he gets the right training program.

  We know Pardew deceided to use him in Russia on astroturf in freezing cold conditions (even though most sports doctors would advise you refrain from that).

  Now we don’t really know what French guys said about Benny or the medics for that matter – we know Pardew said a few days earlier that Benny was nowhere near where he should have been.

  There are the facts I know! What’s yours?

• 242 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:47 PM

  *now = know

• 243 carl // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:48 PM

  Mr Funk @ 81
  As you are aware damage can be caused to the hamstring by a direct blow to the muscle. For example a kick in the back of the thigh giving the impression/causing a dead leg. A contusion although different from a pulled hamstring can cause the same or similar symptoms.

• 244 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM

  Goal arsenal 3 mins in!! Game on here

• 245 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:54 PM

  toonarmydownsouth
  Wouldn’t put it past Ashley

• 246 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:55 PM

  Jesper
  Oh come off it you can’t say most sports doctors would say this and most sports doctors would say that, there not stats mate there speculation, you have no idea what he was advised on at all you can’t claim you do
  You also can’t put a time line on recovery when you have no idea of the severity of the injury, you don’t know if was a tear or nearly a tweak, in which case the 18 days break he had would if been more than sufficient, as for cold weather he lives and plays on tyneside, if he can’t play in cold weather he should really be looking to play at a different club
  But please don’t claim theory as fact

• 247 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 7:59 PM

  Charlie
  Reckon he’d look quiet good in a custom made puma robe with wonga and sports direct plastered over it, giving his sermon’s from sports direct @ the Vatican !

• 248 yo-yo // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:01 PM

  Jesper

  “You argue that because Pardew or his medic deceived Benny was ready after 16 days of rest that it’s so! ”

  Dunno where I wrote that …that ‘s pure fiction.. I argue no such thing .. not even by inference.

  My point is that your speculations are not especially valid as you make far too many assumptions in an area where you hold no expertise – and as you can’t even quote me accurately – and jump to very wrong conclusions – then your opinions on whether Pardew got wrong advice are equally wild and merely pure guesswork.

  I don’t feel a personal experience with a sports injury gives you any credibility in judging the length of time a player ought not to play.

  When Strolla was forced back prematurely years ago it definitely screwed his career long term and we know it does happen – but you have no evidence to support your assertion.

  I’m sure you went to school but having been through the education system doesn’t make you a teacher.

  I’d love to see your design work – Scandinavians have had a massive influence on good design the last 100 years or so.

• 249 carl // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:15 PM

  yo-yo @ 232
  That would be a genius!

• 250 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:25 PM

  tads…yes I’ll claim a minor hamstring is 4-5 weeks rehabilitaion; if you rush it there can be setbacks. It might not happen, but you increase the chances.

  …nothing is facts with injuries I have at no point said that. It would be what you would be advised.

  With Benny setback after the Fulham game alot points in the direction that it was not a minor hamstring in the first place.

  If it was a degree 1 hamstring in the first place then it would most likely have been a similar tear. I have nevr heard a doctor advising you to play on a hamstring after 16 days!

  I didn’t say you cannot play (just that’s it’s reckless). You are just shooting down my argument stating I have no idea of the severity of the injury, but neither do you!

  I have concluded something out of what I know and what I have seen. I stick by that assumption untill you can provide something that begs the difference!

  Until now you haven’t

• 251 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:35 PM

  Jesper
  The difference is I’m not claiming my opinions to be fact mate whereas you claiming your assumption’s to be fact which is simply not the case you have no idea what advice pardew was given at all full stop

  Once again you are straight away assuming it was a tear rather than a strain, once again your assumption not a fact, if it was simply stiffness or a strain then there’s is absolutely no reason why he shouldn’t of played
  Some players naturally have problems with such injuries, have done for years and years and there’s simply no way to manage them how do you know this is not the case with benny since his leg break, can easily happen if there was muscle determination during healing it may not of healed as strong
  I’m sorry but I maintain your intense dislike of pardew is the one and only basis you blaming benny’s injury solely on him, to completely absolve a fully qualified medical team of any part is ludicrous

• 252 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:36 PM

  Yo-yo…i’m just trying to figure out what you are saying cause you make reference to an architect to not comment or advise on sports injuries and medics not to design a building.

  …would that mean my point of view on the matter is less valid than yours? I make my assumption out of what I know (I am not arguing it’s a fact cause I don’t know that, but neither do you)

  I have just put everything I have based my assumption on down on the table. The only think I have heard from tads and you are that you assume the medics have cleared him and they have done all the prober scans and taken every precautions because why wouldn’t they!

  Did you read that part I posted from the analysis the football association made about hamstring injuries? If every club did take the right precautions then there wouldn’t be some many hamstring injuries in the PL!

  But if the medics presumably have cleared Benny then he for sure was fit to play because they wouldn’t make a mistake or presume something?

• 253 lesh // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:39 PM

  Robin and other Pardew haters…. it’s about tiime you guys brushed up your history.

  Do so and you’ll see that he was responsible for the Vesuvius eruption that destroyed Pompeii, the Great Fire of London, the Black Plague, Titanic’s sinking, World War 1, the Spanish flu outbreak of 1918, the situation in the middle east.

  Oh, nearly forgot, didn’t he advise Blair on the wisdom of supporing Bush in his excursion into Iraq and for good measure, let’s hold him responsible for the state of the UK economy and for good measure, the world economy’s ills.

  Get a life guys, get off his back and see a bigger picture eh?

• 254 lesh // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:40 PM

  * omit the second for good measure

• 255 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:43 PM

  tads…I am claiming no such thing, but yes you are right I know absolutely nothing about what Pardew have told or been told by the medics…neither do you!

  …but I do know 16 days of rest is pushing it! And I do know that 3 month on the sideline because of a hamstring begs something wasn’t done right! (would you argue it’s down to bad luck?) and I do know playing on astroturf in freezing cold weather is not ideal!

  Could you please just give me something that explains why Benny has not been mismanaged? Something that explains what has happened; maybe even some statement showing Benny went for the right scans and they showed nothing!

• 256 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:46 PM

  Jesper

  My view on this injury.

  It’s hard to say as none of us have clear facts, medical evidence of the injury. Was the hamstring torn or was it just stiff/tight. We simply don’t know.

  But I’ll accept he was maybe rushed back for Fulham. That’s a possibility. We were in a bad spell and needed points and he was a key player in that period. So he was possibly rushed back. Not sure but I can understand why pardew would have taken a chance If he was 50/50 at that time.

  I don’t think he was risked for anzi. We didnt need to use him, we have other options. Pardew was also very careful in that game by not risking Jonas or shola so can’t imagine he’d risk a prize asset in Ben arfa. Especially after waiting 3 months you wouldn’t rush him back by 1 week.

  I presume he was assessed before he went back to france so we knew the injury, pardew said the injury so must have been done right then. In France he had a top medical team working with him so sure that was ok. I guess part of the deal was regular check ups and progress reports so don’t believe we haut left him to look after himself, can’t think I a single club that would do that.

  So basically I say might have been risked in Fulham. Very unlikely to have been risked in Russia.

• 257 Alan Pas-de-clue // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:48 PM

  weird, just reading up on warren barton…was born on my sisters birthday, made his newcastle debut on the day i was born, and was heavily involved with dagenham and redbridge, a club which is literally two minutes away from my house..

• 258 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:49 PM

  Jesper

  Clubs don’t announce every scan and the results so it’s silly to ask for that off people.

  Can’t see why you presume the club takes a Risk for no reason. The fact that hamstring injuries are so common as you said yourself earlier suggest to me it’s a common problem and more as a result of the physical demands and that ring the first muscle to go a lot of the time, it’s a common injury.

  A lot of the time, as with cabayes and Marvs groin injuries they appear to be healed but the fact they reoccur then gives the doctors a suspicion it’s something else. They both had operations to remove scar tissue from the healed area.

• 259 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:50 PM

  tads…if you claim I maintain an intense dislike of Pardew and that I pin Benny’s injury solely on him because of that; I claim ignorance is a bliss!!!

  …most be for you since I have been pro-Pardew all along!

  Being critical of someone’s actions has nothing to do with support or lack there of. Is that also one of your claims?

  Does anything ever get through your Pardew armor or are you just blissfully blind when it comes to him?

• 260 harrizoom // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:51 PM

  Btw before i start im a pardew fan, but why on earth did ben arfa get rushed back into a game where the conditions could not be worse for the type of injury that he had. Poor poor decision which could have a massive affect on the team. On another point i dont see why everyone gets on tiotes back soo much, yes he makes silly tackles and sometimes doesnt release the ball quick enough, but in this new role he has took up just infront of cabaye i believe he will create loads of room for cabs to influence the game, his energy levels are top class and he can pressure teams into making mistakes

• 261 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:51 PM

  The two hamstring injuries could be unrelated as well.

  Saying he was rushed back caused the second one is possible. But that’s not the only option. The first one happened purely by chance, so why couldn’t the second be the same?

• 262 yo-yo // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:52 PM

  Jesper

  The bottom line is that I do not feel you are in a position to criticise Pardew for playing Benny at Fulham or in Moscow.
  You’ll remember how slowly he was brought back after the fracture injury.
  You’ll remember that Pardew got mega- slated for not starting him much sooner.
  You’ll know that Benny has been treated in various places including Clarefontaine several times.

  IMO Pardew has been ultra-cautious with Benny as I am sure he has very detailed medical advice and risk assessment from more than one source.
  I do not believe AP would have risked Benny unless he had authoritative medical opinions from specialists – not just the club’s own medical staff. I do not believe he was playing a percentage game here.

  Now as we all know the human body defies medical science on many occasions – but that does not mean either the medicos or AP did anything other than act in good faith – even if Benny did have an unpredicted recurrence or aggravation

• 263 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:52 PM

  TS…I just want something from tads and yo-yo besides the same argument that I don’t know what Pardew has told the medics and vice versa!

• 264 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:53 PM

  Jesper
  I’d say the fact benny has been in the press the last couple of weeks praising the influence pardew has had in his career suggests that he doesn’t fell he’s been mismanaged but what does benny know!

  As for claiming fiction for fact when write an entire post saying I think I sports doctor would say this and that and end the post claiming there the facts you know then yes you are claiming them as facts

  And once again please please please tell me a coach anywhere who doesn’t you his qualified medical team on advice on his players fitness because there is no way a player would play if it was against medical advice!
  I read the piece you posted earlier, fail to see how that incriminates pardew if anything it highlighted the incompetence of medical staff through the English leagues
  Like I said your willingness to pin the entire thing on pardew seems to be spurred by your personal dislike of the man
  Does every re occurring injury through the league boil solely down to the manager?

• 265 carl // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:56 PM

  Transfer Sage
  On the unrelated theme -@ 249.

• 266 carl // Mar 13, 2013 at 8:58 PM

  @243

• 267 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM

  Jesper
  If you want something new apart from the same old argument then why on earth do you keep re hashing it?

  As for you being a pardew supporter, I don’t think I’ve ever once seen any form of praise, only criticism, by all means criticise when deserved but planing pardew for a medical issue is OTT
  I suppose vermalen walcott Ramsey and Wilshire are all wenger a fault?
  Or carrager skertl agger gerrard all Rodgers/dogleash/hodgson/Benitez fault?
  Is taylor (insert as many managers as you like) fault?

• 268 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:03 PM

  tads, yoyo, jesper

  I understand what jesper is getting at. Football is a results business and Pardew was under pressure (from the media and some fans) around the time of the fulham game. Therefore he might have made the decision to risk benny for short term gain and not thought long term as a lot of managers know a bad run can get you the sack.

  I’m not saying pardew played benny when unfit….might have been fit but only 80/90% fit. This could give him a higher chance on the injury re-occurring.

  I think by the time of anzhi we had no need to risk benny, we never risked cisse, never risked jonas or shola on the pitch so imagine benny must have been ready to play. There was no sense to risk him as league is priority not cup and pardew knows how important he will be, he now needs long term not short term results so could afford to wait a week or two if there was doubt.

  I imagine the club knew every details they thought was important about the injury and recovery, these players are huge financial assets for clubs and clubs know everything there is to know about their players.

  Again, not saying this means he wasn’t risked when not 100% fit but i presume the club knew exactly where he was at with his rehab and if he was capable of playing and roughly what the odds were of the injury happening again.

  Going of previous history of how pardew treats players I don’t think he rushed him back. He has no history at the club of recurring injuries being common place in the side, any more than normal. Also as you pointed out he treat benny with extreme caution throughout his career at newcastle.

• 269 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:03 PM

  tads…that first part has nothing to do with whether his hamstring injury has been mismanaged or not!

  When I say I think something then I am not stating facts! And you haven’t until this point given me anything you just hold on to the notion why Pardew would do anything wrong cause Benny likes him and he manages his broken legs in a good way.

  And once again you don’t know what his advisors have told him about Benny! Nothing at all. The onlly thing we have been told is that he went for a scan after the Fulham game and that he came back from Francee is a worse state than Pardew would have hoped!

  Once again the football association conducted a detailed analysis of hamstring injuries sustained in English professional football over two competitive seasons. An average of five hamstring strains per club per season was observed. A total of 13 116 days and 2029 matches were missed because of hamstring strains, giving an average of 90 days and 15 matches missed per club per season.

  Hamstrings are a serious problem; and it seems it is not taken serious enough.

  Do you know anything about this matter or are you just too busy telling me what I don’t know?

• 270 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:06 PM

  tads…I don’t have to justify my support to Pardew to you NEVER!

  …I honestly don’t care what you haven’t seen me do or say! I am nor here for your amusement my friend!

• 271 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM

  tads…Vermalen, Walcott, Ramsey and Wilshire has nothing to due with this discussion!

  …whatever you think on that matter is on your own account! Stop being a child about it!

• 272 yo-yo // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:10 PM

  Jesper

  “And once again you don’t know what his advisors have told him about Benny! Nothing at all.”

  And neither do you – so stop trying to speculate with authority

  “The onlly thing we have been told is that he went for a scan after the Fulham game and that he came back from Francee is a worse state than Pardew would have hoped!”

  Pardew is on record as stating that he came back from Calrefontaine much less fit than he was led to believe and certainly not match fit – no comment on the injury at all was made.

• 273 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:11 PM

  jesper

  Hamstring injuries being common doesn’t mean they aren’t managed well or less is known about them. It could simply be that it is the most vulnerable muscle for a football. They may be the most worked or weakest area in terms of holding up against injury.

  Also I think the club will know exactly where he is with his recovery. The fact pardew said ben arfa wasn’t where they expected shows that they had a target and then mist have tested him on return to know he hadn’t reached that target.

  Could be poor rehad or simply the injury just took longer to heal than expected, healing is not an exact science, there are so many variables from person to person.

  I think the club know exactly where all players are in terms of how fit they are and a rough injury risk (as accurate as can be). The mistake won’t have been because they didn’t have the info…it would be because they didn’t act properly on it.

  For example if you desperately needed ben arfa for fulham and the medics said normally in a game there is a 2% chance your hamstring will go but we feel with him today there is a 8% chance…it doesn’t make playing him too bad as 92% of the time he will be fine. I don’t know numbers obviously but I imagine there was a decent chance he would be ok in the fulham game that he would be ok…can’t see him being risked at 50/50.

• 274 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:11 PM

  Jesper
  Mate read your post @241 where you claim in black and white your opinion to be fact, your words so perhaps cut the condescending attitude?
  Hamstrings out a serious problem because they are the most common injury in all sports, if someone has a re occurring one, what do you suggest, wrap them in bubble wrap and keep them in storage perhaps?
  You keep claiming people are bringing nothing new to the “debate”, people have stopped debating the original issue and are merely telling you you can’t pass your speculation as fact which is what you set out to do

• 275 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:14 PM

  TS…I actually don’t think Benny was rushed for the Anzhi game cause he was out almost 3 months. I don’t think he was conditioned right – and from the bits I read coming from Pardew he seemed to be annoyed about it as well!

  I do think it was a reckless decision to play him on astroturf and the cold weather (he wouldn’t even risk Shola)

  I think Benny was rushed for the Fulham game cause it makes no sense to play someone with a hamstring after 16 days!

• 276 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:15 PM

  Wow,

  Is the hamstring issue is still going on?

  After a busy day of seeing and treating people with musculoskeletal injuries, all i can say no-one can say that Ben Arfa injury has been mismanaged because there is no way of knowing whether a re-injury will occur as i stated in post 71 and 81

• 277 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:16 PM

  Jesp@271
  Of course they have to do with the arguement, your suggesting that managers point blank ignore the advice given to them by there medical advisors, you also post a report done across the entire league, which on your basis of this you could say has nothing to do with Ben arfa
  So make your mind up, if you want to use reports conducted across the league then atleast have the maturity to answer examples from across the league
  Or do you pick and choose your examples to fit?

• 278 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:19 PM

  Mr Funk
  Simple but spot on

• 279 AndyNUFC // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:19 PM

  Some people on here have mind boggling assumptions of our manager. You go from Pardew sets up a team to lose to now he intentionally gets his star player thrown in when he would get injured knowingly.

  Simply put I see Ben Arfa as a player with an ego and huge ambitions with talent to match – you just know he wanted to be kicking a ball as soon as he could… And nearly scored in the hour he played. In that hour that’s all he done. He didn’t even break a sweat.

  If he was good enough for an hour then great, but now is feeling it after being out for a while.

  Pardew said it himself they’re making sure he isnt risked until he looks good to maintain his fitness, where’s the conspiracy, where’s the hidden, negative agenda? Get real!

• 280 yo-yo // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:20 PM

  Mr Funk

  Exactly..

  (any particular funk band in your moniker ?

• 281 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:21 PM

  tads…shall we go through my post @241 together so I can set you straight and get you off your high horse?

  I have seen people have stopped arguing the original issue…now yo-yo and you are trying to pick fault in my wording (whether or not I use the word fact, I make assumptions or and architect can have an opinion and a medical condition)

  Shall we go through that post @241?

• 282 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:21 PM

  jesper

  I know this is just nit picking but please stop saying 16 days. it was 18. Maritimo game was 22/11…fulham was 10/12. Sorry haha.

  I know what you mean about fulham and accept there is a chance he rushed him back, he did need the results and he was the best player at the time in form. So thats a possibility but still difficult to say as we don’t know the extent of the injury…was it just tight or torn to some extent….we simply don’t know but I can see why he was rushed.

  The anzi game did surprise me as I thought he would be on the bench at best. I don’t think it was too big a risk as those pitches don’t have increased rates of injury (cant find it but sky mentioned a recent independent study conducted as a english rugby team just had one installed for their ground).

  I know pardew said about a week or two before the anzi game that ben arfa was fit but not match fit. So I presume that in that week or two he got enough mtach fitness back into his system to earn a place in the side.

  It’s hard to say as clubs keep these things fairly quiet so other teams can’t plan far in advance who they might be facing.

  Ben arfa has now been sen to another specialist….this could reveal he has an underlying problem or simply that there is nothing special wrong and he just tweaked the same muscle. Best for us all to wait and see the result of that.

• 283 Graeme // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM

  Dont you think, having bored the blog to death over a futile argument, you could give it a rest? Agree to disagree and let the blog breathe again!! Its so boring and we don’t care.

  Its Benny’s hamstring, not yours, so stop bitching over it!!

• 284 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:22 PM

  @ tads and yo-yo

  Thanks for the replies.

  The name comes from the fact that the surname Funk is dying out, so i thought i would try to keep it going

• 285 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:25 PM

  TS…would be good to know if any previous injury is causing some problems!

  …i posted a test earlier today where a footballer had 5 different hamstring injuries in 5 months. They could find a red line in the injuries, but an MRI scan and some other tests showed old injuries that had not been conditioned the right way was causing problems.

  The football was put on a 7 steps program and “cured” so to speak

• 286 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:26 PM

  mr funk

  With you there. None of us have medical reports or anything that was done on ben arfa.

  And even with them the best we could do is give a rough idea of when he is going to be fit.

  The fact the initial injury he got against maritimo occured out of the blue (he was fit for a long time before) then there is nothing to say this second injury at fulham could not have been the same situation.

  Also if you blame the manager for not testing him enough where do you draw the line…test those who are injured, test those who are stiff, test fully fit players weekly/daily etc in case some problem shows up unknown.

  There is always an element of risk in any sport.

• 287 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:26 PM

  Mr Funk…is Funk actually your real surname? Cool

• 288 Transfer Sage // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:29 PM

  jesper

  its what we did with marvoux with his groin problem. Had been troubling him for years, we got him, it happened again, he saw a specialist who then gave him surgery which removed scar tissue and allowed the muscle to heal properly.

  The way they treat marv suggests again to me they would do the same for benny to make sure he was right.

  Graeme is right though…..this is a pointless conversation with no end in sight….i’m out after this comment and will move onto something else.

  Enjoy chaps.

• 289 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:31 PM

  Graeme…I can let it go (probably should have a long time ago)

  …tads just seem to want to prove I am a Pardew-hater for some reason and loves to need pick on every wording I make so I decided to seem where it went!

  I just need to go through post @241 with him and then I’ll make no more comment about the matter!

• 290 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:34 PM

  @ Transfer Sage,

  I am agreeing with you that it is very difficult to predict injuries and therefore i find it hard to ascribe blame onto anyone

  @ Jesper

  Do you have a link to the 7 step program for hamstring injuries – just out of interest thats all – thanks

• 291 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:38 PM

  Jesper
  http://www.nufcblog.com/2012/11/23/three-additional-top-players-now-injured-squad-decimated/
  “Our doctors think”

  Jesper@241
  “There are the facts I know! What’s yours?”
  I’d say that’s you claiming your opinion as fact wouldn’t you? Stop playing the victim Jesper, this isn’t the first time in the last week you’ve been accused of having a condescending tone
  I’m not trying to prove anything, you asked me to show where your claiming your opinion is fact it’s right there in your post at 241 if you can’t see it you clearly confused yourself during the evening

• 292 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:43 PM

  Sage
  Fair enough
  Um arjen robben, possibly the most overhyped overrated player in the world! Possibly the only man in world football who is blissfully unaware he has another 9 outfielder players who he is actually allowed to pass to!

• 293 yo-yo // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:51 PM

  TADS

  Credit to Gooners for making a go of it against the odds.
  No disgrace – I’ve always loved Robben for his team mate awareness

• 294 Mr Funk // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:54 PM

  @ Jesper

  Funk by name, Funk by nature

• 295 yo-yo // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:54 PM

  Jesper

  Everyone on here who makes wild statements gets pulled for it – it comes with the territory.
  We can only go on thenwords on the page.
  Don’t take it personally. It is just a blog thing.

• 296 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 9:56 PM

  Yo yo
  Aye tbf they gave bayern a reet game, when I saw the line up I thought they had no hope in hell!
  Thought that jenkinson lad had a cracking game for them along with konscielny wouldn’t mind a cheeky bid in for him

• 297 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:04 PM

  jesper/toonarmydownsouth
  U two still going at it?

• 298 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:07 PM

  WWYCD
  Not really just annoying when someone try’s to discredit a posters arguement/opinion (yo yo’s) by posting there own opinion then claiming it as fact, then start moaning and p1ssing about it when they get pulled up on it

• 299 yo-yo // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:07 PM

  TADS

  Can’t wait for the day when we can sign players from the Gooners as we have more ambition

• 300 santonthenewmaldini // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:07 PM

  Just finished watching the Arsenal game thought I would check on the blog to see hows it going ….

  Can everyone stop going on about Arfa’s injury and who is to blame etc ?!?So childish

  Start preparing yourself for tomorrow’s game with the reality Arfa will not be playing and Jonas will be in his place and you will sleep better tonight ha ha

• 301 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:12 PM

  Yo yo
  Won’t be long before we’re selling them our academy cast off’s and failures!!

  Santon
  Rather play jonas than obertan mate!!!

• 302 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:14 PM

  toonarmydownsouth
  Haha tbf when the argument has been going on for how many hours now? 6+? People tend to get a little protective of their point of view and tempers fray

  Bye gones be bye gones kids we got the Russkis coming to town tomorrow

• 303 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:18 PM

  Mr. Funk…I actually posted a link for you earlier that mentions it. In that article them call it a seven-point program

  http://bjsportmed.com/content/early/2013/02/14/bjsports-2012-091400.full

• 304 Toon-Prodigy // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:19 PM

  Good evening all,

  Big game coming up, have we any idea how many are execting to turn up? I wish I was off work to go but im on nightshift unfortunetly

  Good result at the weekend, I was over the moon. Started pretty well and broke them down eventually.

  On the Ben Arfa injury topic. Not sure how anyone can point the blame towards Pardew to be honest. He is no doctor, this is why we employ the medical staff. When he is given the green light he can play the player in question..

  If a manager is wanting to play him earlier than recommended, he will know the risks involved. In this case Ben Arfa has been out for ages, it’s not as if we have rushed him back. I think sometimes players just have set backs that are unforeseen. All players react differently to different injurys.

  I think it’s really that simple. In this scenario, I can’t fault Pardew. We have took our time bringing him back.

  It is slightly worrying though, He has been out a long time for a hamstring injury, I questioned this 2 weeks back. It’s been a really long time.

• 305 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:20 PM

  WWYCD
  Tbf it went away for a bit, it seemed to sneak back just after the bayern game kicked off i blame bayern if they put on a decent showing prob wouldn’t of checked the blog it’s there fault!!!!
  I maintain my stance that we will rout those crafty fcuking Russians!!!!!

• 306 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:21 PM

  Prodigy
  Sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh!

• 307 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:23 PM

  toonarmydownsouth
  Was it that bad? Judging by the score it looked decent but I didnt bother watching it haha
  As for the russians I hope we hammer them been awhile since I have been at a game and longer still since I have seen a win plus get to see Eto in all his glory

• 308 Toon-Prodigy // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:26 PM

  Whoops, sorry

  I have not read all comments, just glanced. I take it this topic is over then.

  Do we know how many our expecting at the ground tomorrow Tads?

• 309 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:27 PM

  WWYCD
  Nah be fair arsenal made a proper game of it watching that fabianski can’t understand why they play sczeny tbh!
  No offence but I hope you get too see a crap version of eto, but like when I saw ronaldo play for brazil, but fat coke head ronaldo not world class ronaldo

• 310 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:29 PM

  Prodigy
  Not a clue mate, spoke to my cousin he’s got his tickets he reckons there will be 40+ not sure where he’s getting that from just reckons there’s a buzz around the place

• 311 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:30 PM

  toonarmydownsouth
  Aye I dont disagree mate I hope Eto has a stinker though I will still enjoy seeing him play regardless

  Hopefully Cisse will learn a thing or two from him though

• 312 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:34 PM

  Right tads…post @241 it is.

  Lets break it down into paragraphs.

  1.
  the facts we now are Benny played 16 days after a hamstring (we don’t know what precautions there were taken) Most sports doctors would say you need 4-5 weeks rehabilitation.

  The fact here is Benny played 16 days (sorry TS 18 days) after a hamstring. The most doctors comment is from my experience and of course a generalization. I know you are going to neat pick on that one.

  2.
  We know he has a major setback and has been out 3 month. In that period we know he has been in France where our medic team nor Pardew can follow him closely and make sure he gets the right training program.

  The fact here is that Benny has had a setback and been out for more than 3 months now! We know he has been to France to rehabilitate.

  3.
  We know Pardew decided to use him in Russia on astroturf in freezing cold conditions (even though most sports doctors would advise you refrain from that).

  The fact here is Pardew decided Benny was ready to play on astroturf in cold weather. From my experience doctors has advised to refrain from that – TS mentioned today he had heard the other day on Sky Sport that some new conclusion had been made on that part.

  4.
  Now we don’t really know what the French guys said about Benny or the medics for that matter – we know Pardew said a few days earlier that Benny was nowhere near where he should have been.

  The fact here is we know Pardew said a few days earlier that Benny was nowhere near where he should have been. Maybe I am not being precise enough about the time frame?

  5.
  There are the facts I know! What’s yours?

  Now there is no reading between the lines here or adding your own conclusion to what this mean. All I was saying was here are the facts I am aware off. And I would actually like to hear from you and yo-yo on this matter?

  So do please tell where I state my opinion is fact? Yes you tell me over and over again that I am condescending among other things. I cannot tell for sure if other people have said the same, but it seems you can.

  Could you show me a few of those examples?

• 313 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:34 PM

  WWYCD
  There are simply a few players in world football who it doesn’t matter if there spanking your team or not, you just can’t help but enjoy watching them!

• 314 Toon-Prodigy // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:35 PM

  I expect in the region of 42,000 – 48,000.

  Great game on offer and a legend of a player in Eto to view. If I was off work it would be a no brainer for me.

  What a game it’s set up to be, gutted im working. Not only that, but I start at 9:30, I’ll only get to watch the first half before I set off for work.

• 315 WWYCD // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:39 PM

  toonarmydownsouth
  Yeah its true and I have always liked Eto if am honest cracking player.

  Anyway lads am off have a good un

• 316 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:42 PM

  Jesper
  Apart from your 2nd point the rest, as you actually say in them, is most doctors would, not our doctors would so once again there’s no facts in there
  Pardew also basically said benny was carrying spare timber, didn’t once mention his recovery on his hamstring, that’s your assumption so please give it a rest
  As for who else, seem to remember you getting shirty with someone questioning your opinion after the stoke game and called you condescending, fell free to trawl the thread if you must, maybe an ego boost or something?
  So yeah apart from point 2 the rest is your opinion, or how you have read the situation using limited past experience with a couple of, probably not top level, physio’s and your local GP

• 317 Mister Tuff // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:48 PM

  Man with a Thousand Faces – quick message for you.
  Can you dance the funky chicken.

• 318 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 10:54 PM

  tads…your not getting off this easily my friend.

  I state what doctors from my standpoint have said; that’s from my experience! I mention that in the 1. and 3. paragraph. Those comments have nothing to do with the facts.

  Pardew did mention Benny rehabilitation after he came back from France…that is no assumption so give it a rest will you?

  I am not going to go through old post to find someone calling me condescending. That be like asking you to go through old post finding remarks made at you saying you have a tendency to get nasty with people who don’t agree with you!

  I find it annoying the way you paraphrase me – you have a tendency to assume what I mean instead of reading it and you put words in my mouth!

  Nothing what you say here is in conjuncture with what I wrote.

  You try to call me out all the time as condescending, tell me to give it as rest just to put yourself on the higher ground. you neat pick every wording when you have no more arguments. Am I the condescending one here?

• 319 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:03 PM

  Jesper
  What arguement?
  You’ve listed 5 points in which out the 5 only one is a fact, what are you not getting? You listed ALL these points as fact to undermine yo yo’s points to you when the only FACT is that you were posting generilzations and stating them as facts which they quiet simply aren’t

  Nobody is putting words in your mouth, there plastered all over the page, no one is misquoting you, but you plain and simply tried to disregard someone’s point by making up your own facts by trying to make an educated guess about something you have had limited experience about
  No ones taking high ground no ones trying to get out of anything just plain tired of reading you post what are nothing more than your own opinions as fact in an attempt to gain leverage in a debate

• 320 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:15 PM

  Alright Jesper fcuk it

  Lets break it down into paragraphs.

  1.
  the facts we now are Benny played 16 days after a hamstring (we don’t know what precautions there were taken) Most sports doctors would say you need 4-5 weeks rehabilitation.

  The fact here is Benny played 16 days (sorry TS 18 days) after a hamstring. The most doctors comment is from my experience and of course a generalization. I know you are going to neat pick on that one.

  If you read the link I put up earlier you would see pardew stating the doctors had advised him it was a slight strain nothing serious and should be fit within a week maybe two, so stated quiet clearly he’s acting on medical advice
  2.
  We know he has a major setback and has been out 3 month. In that period we know he has been in France where our medic team nor Pardew can follow him closely and make sure he gets the right training program.

  Once again your making an assumption no representative or qualified personnel are making regular checks on him, they maybe disappointed with his conditioning but I find it hard to believe the club would have no one out there for 3 months, so you have proof the club didn’t check on him I assume to state this as a fact?

  3.
  We know Pardew decided to use him in Russia on astroturf in freezing cold conditions (even though most sports doctors would advise you refrain from that).

  The fact here is Pardew decided Benny was ready to play on astroturf in cold weather. From my experience doctors has advised to refrain from that – TS mentioned today he had heard the other day on Sky Sport news about research

  So now your claiming third hand info with our seeing it as fact? And once again an assumption on what a doctor might or might not advised him on, not a fact at all

  4.
  Now we don’t really know what the French guys said about Benny or the medics for that matter – we know Pardew said a few days earlier that Benny was nowhere near where he should have been.

  The fact here is we know Pardew said a few days earlier that Benny was nowhere near where he should have been. Maybe I am not being precise enough about the time frame?

  The interview he gave was specifically about his fitness level absolutely no mention of his injury, carrying a bit of paunch should not be an excuse for a player to play
  No fact at all about his injury

  5.
  There are the facts I know! What’s yours?
  The facts you know don’t seem to be facts at all

• 321 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:19 PM

  tads…are you not reading post @312?

  ..there point are not listed to undermine anyone; don’t you get the concept of an argument? You cannot just make your own assumption of what I think or are trying to achieve!

  You really need to stop this – at least have the decent courtesy to read my post. That is just disrespectful!

  So here it comes; I was waiting for that one about generalization. Did leave some breadcrumbs for you and I knew you would use that one. Don’t you know what generalizations are used for in an argument? It breaks down the arguments so you don’t need to list every person. You really do neat pick don’t you! You can be a very small person you know that?

  Tads if you misunderstood my then I was actually referring to you about putting words in my mouth and not paraphrasing me correctly.

  You are on and on about post @241 when there is nothing in it. There is no where in that post I state my opinion is fact and you have still to prove that.

  You just read other posters remarks the way you want and decide that must be what we think. You have managed to turn a whole discussion about Benny’ hamstring and belief that it has been mismanaged into my disregarding yo-yo’s point and and say I misquote him.

  If I misquote him then it’s because I misunderstood him. That has nothing to do with the matter at hand and you seem to spend more time on this than yo-yo.

  You just try to ridicule me by making degrading remarks about my experience as a footballer and the level I have played on as if that should be important. What’s the point in that.

  You have had three long posts now to explain to my where I state my opinion is fact and nothing has happened and I shall be damned if I read another of your posts!

• 322 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:26 PM

  Jesper
  When did I mention you as a footballer, and your saying that I put words in your mouth!
  Also if you can use generilzations then when were mine about other clubs disregarded so flippantly by you?
  One rule for you different for everyone else is it?
  And then to try and twist everything to make it sound like others have made personal when really it’s you making it personal about yourself!
  You do seem to enjoy playing the victim

• 323 Mister Tuff // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:39 PM

  Tads/Jesper -I think you boys should put the Benny hamstring debate to bed. I’ll put it down as a score draw.

• 324 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:44 PM

  tads…you are still not paraphrasing me correctly. You are interpretation what I am implying once again.

  I state Benny have been out 18 days – I am not stating anywhere he cannot play, only that doctors from my experience would not advise anyone to play after 18 days on a minor hamstring.

  This is what Prdew said in that link. You cannot even paraphrase yourself:

  “It is a hamstring problem for Hatem Ben Arfa, so it will definitely keep him out on Sunday and probably next week. I don’t know from then on.”

  “I don’t think it‘s a tear, according to the doctor, so it isn’t a long-term injury but it will keep him out for the immediate future. We’re just having blow after blow.”

  I am not making the assumption that no one is monitoring Benny here from Newcastle. I am stating it makes it difficult to follow him closely when he’s in France. It’s you who find it hard to believe if no one has been out there to check on him. I don’t know that and neither do you.

  Pardew did state Benny was not where they had hoped he would be – I den’t mention his hamstring here anywhere. But fitness is part of the conditioning if you don’t want a recurrences of the injury.

  Regarding Benny playing on astroturf in freezing cold weather has nothing to do with whether or not anyone has or has not advised Pardew. It’s about whether or not it’s worth the risk!

  TS mentioner something tonight about it might not be as bad as presumed (new studies or something) I cannot disregard that of course, but I have not read it and I don’t know that that study said.

  But Benny has had another setback after playing that night and you cannot just disregard the situation and site bad luck.

  The last remark I am just not going to give an answer because is just condescending!

• 325 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:45 PM

  Mister tuff
  Your probably right old chap, after doesn’t change anything, tbf not even about benny now!

• 326 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:46 PM

  tads…this was your remark to me @ post 316:

  “So yeah apart from point 2 the rest is your opinion, or how you have read the situation using limited past experience with a couple of, probably not top level, physio’s and your local GP”

• 327 Mister Tuff // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:50 PM

  Tads/Jesper – as outsiders we will probably never get to know what exactly happened and when. Charlie posted a while ago a whisper that Benny would be out for 3 weeks – so everybody is now going to be edgy about his return -hopefully it will happen and not be anything more serious.

• 328 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:50 PM

  Jesper
  Okay mate you say so you clearly have a different idea of what a fact is, because they certainly aren’t
  As for my last statement, it’s not condescending it’s simply an enquiry in to how it’s okay for you to use a generalisation in your arguement but to disregard others
  Like I said one rule for you ……….

• 329 toonarmydownsouth // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:52 PM

  And yeah not one mention of your football career, so as an average joe can you get a consultation with a premier league affiliated physio and sports doctor, doubt it

• 330 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:53 PM

  Like I said You have had three long posts (four) now to explain to me where I state my opinion is fact and nothing has happened and I shall be damned if I read another of your posts!

  …there is really no point is this; it was suppose to be about Benny and his hamstring and it has just turned personal (and you seem to love to state I think I am the victim)

  …the more you go on about it there I am starting to believe! I am out!

  You can stay and make it more personal (maybe you can get someone to join you at some point. you seem to work better in pair anyway)

  Disclaimer: that was not meant condescending but was merely an observation.

• 331 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 13, 2013 at 11:58 PM

  Tuff…you are probably spot on about that.

  …we will have to see when Benny is back. And as TS said prior maybe they’ll see if he has any old injuries that are coursing problems.

• 332 Sav // Mar 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM

  Hatem played because therewas no other striker. He should not have started on artificial turf in freezing weather, but with Cisse out, Gouffran unavailable, Campbell’s a bairn and Shola has certified dodgy knees, there was nothing for it but to risk it. We risked and lost. Unfortunately. If he’fd not been crocked as a result it would have been hailed a tactical masterstroke. Move on.