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Wigan vs Newcastle – Match Preview

9:52 am, Sunday, March 17th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 117 Comments

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It will be a tough game today at the DW Stadium against Wigan Athletic, and we have to hope we can do a lot better than in last season’s fixture, when we taken apart 4-0 by a rampant and revitalized Wigan side.

And it could be that Wigan are coming into some form again, as they again try to avoid relegation, and certainly last time out at Everton last weekend they turned in their best performance of the season to beat the Toffees 3-0 on merit, and reach the semi-finals of the FA Cup.

But Newcastle are also in good form right now, and we have just reached the quarter finals of the Europa League, with one of our best results of the season when we beat Russian club Anzhi 1-0 on Thursday night at St. James’ Park, with a last second goal from Papiss Cisse.

In their last eight games Wigan have three draws and a 3-0 win at Reading, so only 6 points from those eight games, and they have played better away from the DW Stadium this season, than they have at home.

Bottom teams QPR and Reading were both beaten on the road yesterday – QPR losing 3-2 at relegation rivals Aston Villa and Reading losing 1-0 at Old Trafford, and Newcastle are 9 points above the relegation zone and Wigan, who are 3rd bottom on 24 points.

Alan Pardew will again play a strong side today, and we think quite a number of the lads who played on Thursday night will line up today, although Ben Arfa will not play – with the sad news that he will now be out for the season with that hamstring injury of his.

Mathieu Debuchy and Yoan Gouffran will start this game, after being ineligible for the Europa League, and Yohan Cabaye is a doubt, although we think he will start today.

So this is a side Alan Pardew could play today:

Elliot
Debuchy Taylor (S) Yanga-Mbiwa Santon
Gouffran Anita Cabaye (c) Sissoko Marveaux
Cisse
Subs: Harper Haidara Perch Tiote Gutierrez Obertan Ameobi (S)

The Newcastle manager could also find starting places for Haidara, Tiote and Gutierrez, and since that starting eleven above shows only two changes from the side that started on Thursday night, Pardew may want to bring in some fresh legs.

Wigan could be a very difficult side, although they have been inconsistent this season, and this is what Alan ha shad to say about the opposition:

“They gave us the runaround last year when we were in good form and it was a big blow to our Champions League chances so it’s a game where we need to take a slight bit of revenge.”” They’re on a high, for sure, and we’ve had our best result of the season so there’ll be a real good feeling among the players and that’ll make for a good game.”

“I think Roberto has a side where perhaps even himself, he scratches his head at times. They were unbelievable last week – it was perhaps one of the stand-out results of the year. “I don’t think anyone in the game expected them to win quite as emphatically as they did and yet on other occasions they’ve not been at their best.”

“You can get a team like that, a kind of inconsistent team, but I’m sure now he’s looking for consistency just to get them over the line.”

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We need to take something out of this game, and if we can keep up our solid form of the last several weeks, we could even get the win – and that would be only the second win on the road this season.

So another away win is due this afternoon – and maybe we can do it and get our third win in a row in all competitions.

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117 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonbrother // Mar 17, 2013 at 9:56 AM

    i hope pardew abandons this wingerless formation he has used in the last two games. I watched the Everton game and Wigan will ruthlessly exploit the isolation of our fullbacks if he does.

  • 2 saxonfenken // Mar 17, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    If Mr T calms down he will not be nearly so effective as he is. We will never know how much his break up play and strong tackling stops teams from scoring, does his odd lapse causes more goals against than those that he stops. an impossible stat to work out

  • 3 toonbrother // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:01 AM

    This is the formation i would like to see today if Cabaye isnt fit to start
    ………………..Elliot
    Debuchy…MYM..Saylor…Santoon
    ………….Jonas….Tiote (Captain)
    ………………..Sissoko
    ..Gouffy……..Cisse………Marveaux

    HTL!

  • 4 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    Toonbrother…I don’t our ‘wingerless’ formation; it fits the players we have.

    …we just need two defensive CM infront of our defense safeguarding them.

    Our CM have been our achilles heel as far as I think :-)

  • 5 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    *mind

  • 6 5Danny94 // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    ————— Elliott —————
    -Debu–Taylor–M’Biwa–Santon-
    ———-Anita—–Tiote———–
    -Gouffran—Sissoko—Marveaux-
    —————- Cisse —————-

    I’d love it if Taylor was captain, but for some reason Pardew seems to believe that Tiote is the best role-model for us. I can almost see Jonas starting above Marveaux if Pardew wants to use Sylvain as an impact sub, although I’d love the man forever if he played Haidara at right back and shoved Santon on the wing. He won’t, but just imagine…

  • 7 toonbrother // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:23 AM

    @Jesper. I respectfully disagree, We have good quality, energetic wingers in Marveaux, Gouffran, Obertan and (when he’s in the mood) Gutierrez. Pardew has for some reason chosen to play without wingers in recent games leaving the full backs to act as the only wide men. Not only does it leave our fullbacks exposed defensively it has -strangely enough- inhibited our attacking play starving Cisse of goalscoring opportunities.

    Im not a big fan of Pardew but I do like the fact he’s open to trying something new. Im just not sure this particular idea is having the desired effect offensively or defensively

  • 8 CramlingtonMag // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:25 AM

    saxonfenken
    Surely today is the day to see what the effect of leaving out tiote is. Wigan dont have Diame any more so the risk of being overpowered in midfield is gone. Tiote was awful at times on thursday and in my opinion simply doesnt deserve a starting place on his perfomances this season. I would prefer to see anita start. He has been hard done by since the january arivals.

  • 9 cyprus // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Obertan? hmm

  • 10 Munster Mag // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    A Happy St Patricks day to all you fine men. I’ll try to have a pint of Guinness for all of you :)

  • 11 kww // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    our fullbacks santon and debuchy are archetypical modern days fullback that provide width by running up and down the flanks. pardew needs to figure the balance thru tactics and defensive midfielders to cover the gap in defense while the fullbacks r bombing forward. it’s no easy feat and even barcelona has been exploited by opposition teams when alves and alba attacked this season.
    however, it’s a very popular modern tactic and if balance is right, can be very devastating and effective. personally i think perch is the best defensive midfielder to fill this role as he’s most tactically astute among all 5 defensive mids, but heck cabaye anita guti and tiote should b able to do the job.
    the mid 2000s milan side was very good at this, using pirlo, gattuso and seedorf to cover while cafu and jankulovski were attacking.
    this is probably the best tactics moving forward, 4-2-3-1 we should keep working away at this.

  • 12 magpie6699 // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    Unlike others, I have a bad feeling about today’s game. Unless it’s the after-effects of the Chinese I had last night.

  • 13 Lucky Les // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    I assume the team will be the one that started against Stoke if Cabaye is fit.The problem will be if he is not.Marveaux is the most skilful replacement but his lack of work rate especially in away games make him a risky choice.I like him as an impact sub.Anita could be considered I don’t see him as a defensive midfielder but does he have the talent to be creative midfield.I have yet to see it as the game often seems to pass him by.Perch could play but is more defensive than the other 2 candidates but perhaps a defensive attitude might be favoured for a tricky away game.We have to wait and see.We could do with at least a point.

  • 14 dmac // Mar 17, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    We were unconvincing at Anzhi and therefore im slighty pessimistic about today also. Wigan need this win, but lets not forget so do we.

  • 15 Spotlight Kid // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Martinez will out-think Pardew (not hard). The question is whether the Wigan XI can outplay the Toon XI on the pitch. Looks like a nailed on draw to me unless we have another defensive faux pas and/or the ref has a all-too-often bad day.

  • 16 Spotlight Kid // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    *an, pardon my typographic error.

  • 17 nick_9 // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Apparently cabayes wife has revealed on Instagram that he will not be playing today, unsure if its genuine but he would be a big loss. Wigan are a tough team on their day but they have 23 points from 28 games, hardly a team that picks up plenty of points eh? Surely we can beat them. If cabaye is out I would like to see perch step in as him and tiote would provide the steel and workrate to compensate for marveaux starting. For me it’s:

    ———-perch—-tiote—–
    Sissoko—–Marv——gouffran
    —————cisse————-

    I think those guys would have enough to beat Wigan along with the same backline that played against stoke. It will be interesting to see who plays and how we play after Thursday night.

  • 18 Lucky Les // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Has a decision been made on changing the Sunderland game from the Saturday lunchtime to the Sunday?We are of course playing Benfica on the Thursday before. I imagine the problem will be that we are due to be on TV on Saturday lunchtime.

  • 19 Twatter // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Obertan a good quality winger? You’re having a laugh.

  • 20 Rotonda heights // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    From previous

    I don’t think it’s any coincidence we are doing far better now we have replaced Willo and Simmo.

    Willo was becoming a new Bramble with a costly mistake in him nearly every match. He is awful with anyone with pace running at him on the ground and for a big guy not the best in the air either. Simply put he is not a genuine footballer in any real sense.

    I’m warming to Pardew’s evolution. Although it has been painful at times, we do appear to be playing more ”intelligent ” football now.

  • 21 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    standard back four

    tiote anita
    marv sissoko gouffran
    big pappa cisse

    that should do it. wigan mainly play on the ground (except for crosses) so want to see anita given a chance. wouldnt mind if perch started ahead of tiote though

  • 22 hatemorloveit // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Santon is as shit as obertan..im tired of him getting a free ride

  • 23 northernirishtoon // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Would criminal if perch didn’t get a game today. Hasn’t put a foot wrong and is more deserving of a start than tiote or Anita

    —————Elliott —————
    Debuchy. Taylor. Mbiwa. Santon
    ——–perch———–sissoko——-
    Guti————marv———–goofy
    —————–cisse——————-

  • 24 Alan Pas-de-clue // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    hatemorloveit

    i feel that is a bit harsh on the young lad but i understand what you are saying

    santon is at fault for a lot of our goals, his defensive positing is quite weak for a supposed fullback, and he flatters to deceive, making bursting forward runs (which are usually not productive). He undeservedly comes up smelling of roses even in the most poor displays.

    BUT, the lad is still young, he has time to grow, mature and learn from the likes of debuchy. 22 is arguably 7 years from his prime for a fullback.

    in contrast obertan, who is actually only two years older than santon, should be nearing his prime for a flying winger, at the peak of his physical fitness. the fact is obertan is simply poor, looks disinterested, with very little of a footballing brain. he has had chance after chance with two massive clubs in english football and blown them all.

    unlike santon, who in interviews always states how willing he is to work for the team, is always committed to improving himself, and is always supporting the manager, backing the team philosophy.

    Obertan is on a whole new planet of shitness compared to santon

  • 25 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Can someone explain to me why the walking Liability that is Tiote deserves to start ahead of players like Anita and Perch?

    That Card magnet should be on the bench.

  • 26 Alan Pas-de-clue // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    *positioning

  • 27 Alan Pas-de-clue // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    northenirishtoon
    phoenix warrior

    completely agree, perch right now fills me with far more confidence as a cdm than either tiote or anita.
    my team for today assuming cabaye is fit would be

    Elliot
    Debuchy taylor yanga haidara
    perch sissoko
    marv cabaye gouffran
    cisse

    if no cabaye, move marv central and either santon or guti to the wing

  • 28 NUFCarter // Mar 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Watching the greatest comeback again – nufc 4-4 arsenal. Outback four was absolutely awful. Especially Simpson and Williamson. Tiote was definetely our best player on the day and guiterezz seemed a different player his work rate has definelty regressed since that season. Although he has shown glimpses this season and hasn’t been that bad. Watching the first half at the moment seeing all those fans walking out can’t wait till Diaby gets sent off and the comeback begins then st James’ park is electric!

  • 29 martoon // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    magpie6699 @12 – Yes I have the same feeling as Wigan are a bit of a bogey team for us. I also think Thursday night will take it’s toll especially on players like Sissoko who looked knackered but he has played in every match since he joined us. I think we need to use fresh legs i.e Perch and I am quite happy to be proved wrong on this occasion ;)

  • 30 nick_9 // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Like others have said Santon is still only young having recently turned 22 and is still learning the game. Tavernier, ferguson, ranger and amalfitano are all between 21 and 23 and how are they doing for us or was doing in rangers case? The lad was excellent for the first 1/3 of the season but has been a bit shakey since. Surely he will improve having debuchy, Taylor, colo and mbiwa around him? Santon hasn’t actually made that many more appearances than obertan but who has made the biggest impression? Santon for me, I wrote obertan off ages ago.

    Obertan?

  • 31 NUFCarter // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    did anyone see this. it wasnt that long ago
    http://www.nufcblog.org/2012/11/iron-mike-williamson-the-best-centre-back-in-the-premiership-so-far/

    Now we will probably never seem him in a newcastle shirt again. Shame

  • 32 Lucky Les // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Phoenix
    Tiote can play defensive midfield to the physical standard required by the premier league and is respected by his team mates for his work rate and will to win.This attitude is why clubs the size of Chelsea ,Man Utd and Arsenal have enquired about his availability.Defensive midfielders get yellow cards, Perch has seven ,it comes with the territory.

  • 33 jeraziah // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    I think we will have tough time at Wigan today.. They are always best in this period of the season, they are truely fighting for survival once again… Wouldnt be suprised if we lose this one.

  • 34 Alan Pas-de-clue // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    i think this bogey team thing is a self fulfilling prophecy.

    knowing we got spanked last year our supporters will be apprehensive and the players will feel that tension from the crowd and make no mistake it affects their play on the pitch

    its why things as simple as a sliding tackle can spark a team into life.

    look at us against anzhi, crowd believed we could do it, and the players fed off of that belief.

    we easily have enough for wigan today its just wheteher we perform

    HWTL

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    alan pas-de-clue

    I think with Santon he was our only attacking full back until january….so we forgive him getting caught out as it was good to see him support the attack.

    No we have debuchy, Santon’s mistakes are more visible. Debuchy is experienced at all levels of football and is 27 now, he knows when to get forward, when to sit, when to start to retreat back or when to stay forward….he has had many years of it so knows the game.

    Santon is good at defending when in position but just gets caught up the field too much. He need to learn when to go forward and when to stay.

    I know a lot on here say well the DM should cover…sometimes yes they should I agree, but santon also has to take more responsibility. I have no doubt working with debuhcy will hep him massively in learning and by next season he will have kicked on even more.

    Failing that Haidara looks very good in the few games he has played and he could slot in if Santon doesn’t improve as I think he will.

  • 36 Big Pappa Cissé // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    @ dembademba

    Thats the team I would go for however I think Pardew will try and fit Gutierrez in somewhere in that line up

  • 37 Alan Pas-de-clue // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    transfer sage

    completely agree, possibly due to teams targeting the weakest fullback? before we had simpson, now we have debuhcy teams attack down our left more

  • 38 Pardews Parsnip Bonce // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Hi guys. Predicted result today?

  • 39 Transfer Sage // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    haven’t done this in a while so here’s my team I’d like to see today:

    —————–Elliott—————–
    debuchy—taylor–mbiwa–Santon
    ————–anita—-cabaye——–
    marv———-sissoko———-gouff
    —————-cisse——————-

    Never a fan of marv out wide but he did actually do a decent job there against anzhi so worth a try…nobody else deserves it more.

    If cabaye is unfit I’d have marv in the middle and stick Guti out wide right.

  • 40 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Lucky Les // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Phoenix
    Tiote can play defensive midfield to the physical standard required by the premier league and is respected by his team mates for his work rate and will to win.This attitude is why clubs the size of Chelsea ,Man Utd and Arsenal have enquired about his availability.Defensive midfielders get yellow cards, Perch has seven ,it comes with the territory.

    Are you saying Perch and Anita lack the will to win?. What a load of nonsense. Out of the four players we have that have played DM on more then one occasion, Tiote has been by far the sh1ttest of the lot.

    Perch and ANita have been more consistent and have done better then Tiote has in that role this season, likewise Bigi, who might I add has never played in the PL prior to this season has also notched in several performances, which have been better then Tiote’s.

    Every Single one of our players with the exception of squidward has shown a desire to win.

    Yellow cards do come with the territory. Thats true. But Tiote gets them more often then Perch. On top of that, when Perch is carded, he isn’t giving away a free kick in a dangerous position, unlike Tiote. Who has done so in pretty much every game he has played.

    Bottom line, little seperates the two in what they can offer to the team, however Perch is not a walking liability. Tiote is.

    If anyone in the team should be sold to fund new transfers, its Tiote.

  • 41 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    bpc

    maybe he’l drop sissoko and put marv in the hole. it wouldnt be an enforced move but sissokos started every game for us, and looked a bit drained against anzhi. dont think he will do that but could be a shrewd move.

    dont think we’l lose today but not expecting a comfortable win at all

  • 42 Transfer Sage // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    alan-pas-de-clue

    Yeh could easily be that. Also people now know santon has a reputation of being out of position so will naturally target that no matter who plays right back.

    The issue for me is will Santon learn and adapt his game. I don’t mind mistakes providing players show they can learn from them and you can see them progress.

  • 43 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Oh, btw how many games have

    Perch, Anita, Bigi cost us/Almost cost us this season?

    I’d like to see that stat compared to Tiote.

  • 44 Alan Pas-de-clue // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    transfer sage

    its not a problem if pardew spots santon being out of position, and santon listens when hes told to stay back, and learns from debuchy,

    would love this lad to come good i really would

    also i think sissoko could do with a rest in place of marv, we cant expect him to put in all action performances for 95 mins every 4 days, no matter how fit he is

  • 45 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    dont get the hate towards tiote. he is an immense player (who hasnt had the best season) but my god you wouldnt want to play against him. opposition attacking mids would fancy their chances at getting past perch, anita, bigi over tiote no question.

  • 46 beefman13 // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    To be honest I cant see Cabaye playing any part today, we cant afford that sort of risk, and AP will probably go with Perch as the replacement, its a funny old game down there and hard to call, they normally start to pick up around this time of the season and had a terrific win last week in the cup v Everton, we of course went through in the Europa, so maybe a draw is on the cards for this one?

    Elliot
    Debuchy
    Santon
    Mbiwa
    Saylor
    Perch
    Tiote
    Sissoko
    Jonas
    Gouffran
    Cisse

    This is how I expect Pardew to set up, I would play marv for Jonas and anita for Perch, although perch did have a terrific game v anzi away.

    Said many times anita and marv need to get lomng runs in the team, surely Marv deserves a start, 7 assists this season proves we need him starting, excellent delivery, can beat players on the move set goals up and decent corners, he is a valuable commodity when cabs and benny are not there.

    Ive got to say does Jonas give us any of that apart from hard work?

    Gouffy
    Cisse

  • 47 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    phoenix

    what team would spend money on tiote if everything you say is true?
    you say sell him and rebuild our team but surely he’s worth less than 1mil in your eyes???

    deluded

  • 48 Transfer Sage // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Phoenix

    I’ve never been a huge tiote fan. He is a decent DM but has gone backward recently. He always gave away too many fouls which is problem but the main issue is where he gives away the fouls, its nearly always in a dangerous area, he needs to stop that as it can cost us.

    My other issue is he keeps hold of the ball too long, turns into trouble and loses it in our half…not only does it give the opposition chance to attack us but slows down our attacks and lets the other team get back into shape. Thats where perch has the upper hand for me.

    If you look at top clubs around Europe now, not many have a hard tackling DM anymore as they realise it gives away free kicks and with modern rules gets too many bookings. All DM’s in top clubs are in the mold of Anita…work hard, good energy and smart on and off the ball.

    Think of Busquets, Khadira, carrick, etc etc

    None of the big big clubs have a tough tackle in the style of tiote or roy keane anymore…its just not the modern way.

  • 49 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Toonbrother…That’s alright mate :)

    …I am actually fine about Pardew (I’ll stick it to him when I think he’s to blame though) and I prefer when we play with inside forwards.

    I don’t think any of the players you mentioned are wingers beside Jonas (they are inside forwards and Marv is better as as a ACM)

    But that is just my opinion. I prefer out fullbacks going forward and do the delivery because that frees up our inside forwards and they can move inside and be dangermen inside the box.

    We look at little thin in there I think.

    When a fullback goes forward it’s important that you have a DM player who safeguard the defense in the absence of the fullback (you cannot be two places at ones…it is common physics lol)

    We have had DM’s at times that neither help out when we go forward our shields our defense (they need to one of the above and I prefer them to safeguard the defense)

    I guess it is just a case of how see football mate (differences of opinion is fine by me)

  • 50 Transfer Sage // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    dembademba

    I think teams like playing against tiote…..he is a player you know will tackle hard and dive in so can skip round him or easily draw the foul to win a free kick. Also you know he will probably get booked and once booked his game goes all together…he has to be very careful and people get past him easily.

    I don’t think he is a terrible player by any means but I don’t think he is crucial to us going forward either.

    Last season our form was equal with and without him.

  • 51 K T Cat // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    Please, not Anita. I like his creativity, but he’s just not a starter in this league. I’ve tried to understand what all the fuss is about and I’ve watched him closely every game and I just don’t see it. He can’t win headers, he can’t defend and he can’t win any physical match up. I suppose if you were down a goal with 10 minutes to go, it would make sense to take out Tiote and put in Anita, but please, don’t start him.

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Mar 17, 2013 at 12:54 PM

    Jesper

    Good points there.

    I think modern wingers are more inside forwards. Look at barcelona…sanchez and pedro.

    They are very good out wide, pace, skill, good delivery but also capable of playing inside if they can afford to commit the full backs right up the pitch more.

    They are also good at getting in the box when the other is crossing to help make up numbers in there and give them a higher chance to score.

  • 53 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    phoenix

    what team would spend money on tiote if everything you say is true?
    you say sell him and rebuild our team but surely he’s worth less than 1mil in your eyes???

    deluded

    Please point out in my post where exactly i said the team needs to be rebuilt. I’d love to see it.

    Tiote is worth more then 1mill, but he is nowhere near worth the stupidly high fee’s of 10-20mill I have seen banded about on this blog. If we can get 5mill for him and bring in young talent like Bigi, then i’ll be happy.

    but my god you wouldnt want to play against him. opposition attacking mids would fancy their chances at getting past perch, anita, bigi over tiote no question.

    I’d love to play against him. 9/10 times I’d win a free kick just outside the box and have a great chance on goal.. I may even win a penalty. Even if I’m not involved, theres always the chance he will get that second yellow.

    A very good player learns from their mistakes and gets better. Tiote has been stagnant for the last 2-3 seasons. He has not cut back on his addiction for the yellow, nor has he learns to control his temper. To make matters worse, he is half the player he was last season and shows little to no sign of regaining that form.

    To put it bluntly, he is nothing more then an above average midfielder and with all the other midfielders we have who can player in his position, he would be near the bottom of the list.

    But… if all this is too much for you to comprehend, I wouldn’t blame you if you continued to be blinded by his rare ‘top class’ performances and overlook his obvious flaws.

  • 54 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    transfer sage

    only the very best players skip past him and relish the fact that he’s coming in fast every time. most players pussy out, he wins more than his fair share of 50-50s, id back him to win most 60-40s not in his favour. i really feel that teams play less well against us when hes in our team. yes i know he’s gna give away freekicks and get booked but he’s gna patrol his area intensely and not let anyone have it easy, it might just be psychological but i feel safer with him in the team and lots of players shit their pants coming up against him.

    i really like perch, what toon fan doesnt?? and i think anita is an incredible player who needs more time on the pitch but i really feel tiote is one of our best players. one of the first names on my team sheet when everyones fit.

  • 55 Transfer Sage // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Dembademba

    I know what you mean, he does have a lot of positives to his game as well which I probably didnt highlight.

    I just think the way I want to see the team is to keep possession and attack with intent and pace, much like arsenal used to do before everyone was sold. You knew when they got the ball the would be getting it forward as quickly as possible but in a nice, passing, controller manor.

    Tiote for me slows down our play by holding the ball too long and slows the game in general with a lot of fouls.

    I’m not against him playing (like Anita and perch but I wouldn’t say they are significantly better if better at all) but looking long term I’m like a better DM brought in if possible.

  • 56 toonbrother // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    @jesper I take your point.That formation just strikes me as being very high risk. Barcelona can pull it off because they have the best players on the planet.

    We have some top quality DMs at the moment (Tiote, Perch, Bigirimana, Anita) but i think its asking alot for them to cover for the fullbacks when they bomb forward. Switching back and forth between centre midfield and right/left back positions is not an easy thing to do.

    Lets just hope Pardew knows what he’s doing. Cant wait to see the line up for today :-D

  • 57 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    TS…thanks mate :)

  • 58 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Toonbrother…fair play mate :)

    …yeah it will be interesting to see how the gaffer approach this game! Hope it won’t be a case of just one good half (seen to many of those this season)

    …think it might be a 4-3-3 if Cabs’ is out and a 4-2-3-1 if he’s playing (the formation is not so important to me – it’s more about tactics and football philosophy to me)

  • 59 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    phoenix

    i thought u posted it cos u were slating tiote but u didnt! it was someone else but i cant even find it now anyway. my deepest apologies!

    people do not ghost past tiote he lets em feel it if he knows he’s been done. i can remember him giving 2 penalties away and being sent off twice, correct me if im wrong but thats not a lot. he doesnt give away freekicks 9/10 times and theyre not always outside the box, dont exaggerate.

    he’s worth 8-11 mil i’d say. when everyone was saying 20 mil last year i didnt agree. wheres your support for clearly a class player, on his day one of the best players in the world of his type, we should support our players not slate them for having a few bad games.

    one thing he does is stamp his authority on a match something which only some players can do and something which perch and anita cannot do.

    and you? you? as in you? could get past tiote or get fouled by him or make him foul you in the box? behave, i bet you cant even kick a ball properly

  • 60 Transfer Sage // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Toonbrother

    I’m with you on that, I don’t think we dominate possession enough to pull that off just yet, maybe in the future if we can keep the ball better. It works with Barcelona but not many teams pull it off.

    For me debuchy does the job perfect, gets forward to provide width but also knows when he can’t and that he has to defend.

    I think once santon picks this up, I’m sure he will now he has a good fullback to train with and learn from, he will kick on.

    I accept full backs caught out the odd time and also the DM covering the position sometimes but I still want the full back to be able to do a good amount of defending as well.

    But as Jesper and you say, we all have our views of what we like to see and what entertains us. As long as it is getting results and making us do well I’m all for pretty much any strategy.

  • 61 Jail for Ashley // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    Rotunda,
    I think its a bit churlish of you to describe Willo as not a genuine footballer, he may not be good enough to fit in our current team but he was an integeral part of the team that got us promoted and a decent stop gap that helped in a defence that finished fifth last year, its not his fault that Mike Ashley was too stupid or greedy not to have upgraded his position earlier.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Jesper

    Formation isn’t important for me either.

    It’s all about finding and using space no matter what shape you are in and making sure you are positive with and without the ball.

    Could be 4-6-0 or 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 I don’t care…as long as we show intent to attack an intent to win the back back that’s the main thing for me.

  • 63 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    transfer sage

    i understand where you’re coming from and largely agree. i dont think he should start every game, anita needs more pitch time and perch deserves to play more than he does.

    whats annoyed me is the short memory of people who would have been sucking him off 18 months ago

  • 64 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    TS…I just want us to be a team with an identity and a Pardew to have a football philosophy :)

    …and as you say it is not so important whether we play one formation or another as long as there is an idea and a philosophy behind it :)

    I like the way Swansea view football and the continuity they have! Makes it easier in transition and your players no exactly what you expect of them.

  • 65 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    What times is the game today?

  • 66 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    phoenix

    i thought u posted it cos u were slating tiote but u didnt! it was someone else but i cant even find it now anyway. my deepest apologies!

    people do not ghost past tiote he lets em feel it if he knows he’s been done. i can remember him giving 2 penalties away and being sent off twice, correct me if im wrong but thats not a lot. he doesnt give away freekicks 9/10 times and theyre not always outside the box, dont exaggerate.

    he’s worth 8-11 mil i’d say. when everyone was saying 20 mil last year i didnt agree. wheres your support for clearly a class player, on his day one of the best players in the world of his type, we should support our players not slate them for having a few bad games.

    one thing he does is stamp his authority on a match something which only some players can do and something which perch and anita cannot do.

    and you? you? as in you? could get past tiote or get fouled by him or make him foul you in the box? behave, i bet you cant even kick a ball properly

    The majority of the free kicks tiote gives away are around our box, and that gives the opposition a good chance on goal via a direct free kick. You can’t cound the amount of free kicks he has given away in this position with two hands.

    Slate him after a few bad games? He has had more bad games this season then he has had good. I’m not slating him after a 3 or 4 bad games, I’m slating him after at the very least a dozen games.

    Did I say I could get past him? No. I said I’d love to play against him. There’s a difference, but I guess some people are incapable of noticing such things.

    get fouled by him or make him foul you in the box?

    Shouldn’t be that hard. He is after all the ‘go to’ man if you wanna get fouled in a game. All I’d have to do is kick the ball past him, run after it and bip bap boom, theres a high chance he’d leave a leg out or challenge recklessly, like he does nearly every game.

    But as I said earlier, if your blinded by his rare top class performances, so be it. There’s nothing I can do for a lost cause like you. Continue to only see the ‘good’ points and not the whole picture… I can’t help it if you have a crush on the bloke.

  • 67 kilcline // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    To win today we have to play at a higher tempo than them, if we don’t we wont get the ball and they will take us a part by 2 or 3.

  • 68 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    phoenix

    as i said 2 red cards and 2 penalties isnt that bad. he has been at fault for goals, of course but i dont have a problem with that, its football.

    we dont concede lots of goals from free kicks – direct or indirect – from around our box so if he gives a couple of fouls away in dangerous positions its not the end of the world.

    your a strange character, why say things like you’d love to play against him? you could easily run round him n he’d foul you. its not funny, your not fooling anyone, obviously he would tackle u clean with his eyes closed and obviously u would run up to him and speak to him and ask for an autograph if u happened to see him.

    im not blinded by anything i know his flaws but his strengths outweigh them in my opinion. you obviously have a short memory and a grudge against people who are better than you at football

  • 69 check the toastie // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Tiota has been terrible for a while, however i give him credit for still demanding the ball and trying, even though he is having a nightmare. We really do lack movement and one touch football ability, this stems from the manager and for me the team just seems to lack belief in how they are supposed to be playing.

    We go on the pitch and hope for the best, for the most part clean sheet first and scratch a goal from somewhere. I really do believe Pardew struggles to set us up in an attcking manner. We will be outplayed today for sure, not sure why anyone would think any different.

    We have won once this season in the league and 62% of people on here think we will win, this place is amok with realists, NOT.

  • 70 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    A grudge against people better then me at football? that must mean I hate the whole squad… no wait.. I must hate the whole league, the whole coca cola league etc. You sir are a muppet.

    I don’t have a grudge against people better then me, I’m just not foolish enough to allow someone’s past merit to over shine their present form.

    If he could tackle cleanly with his eyes closed, he wouldn’t have as many yellow cards as he does since signing for us.

    The point is,
    This season he has been sh1t.
    Anita, Perch, Bigi have all put in better performances on a more consistent basis and should be ahead of him in the pecking order, BASED ON CURRENT FORM and not on what they have done in the past.

    If players could get into the starting 11 based on Past merit, Owen wouldn’t be a benchwarmer. Tiote has done little, if anything to justify starting him in the starting 11.

    He has had plenty of time to cut down on his stupid antics, and has shown no sign of making any progress.

  • 71 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    be a benchwarmer at stoke*

  • 72 Dagwoodz // Mar 17, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Love it…the unwashed just conceded from a corner to Norwich. Looks like Hughton got his guys up for the game.

  • 73 Dagwoodz // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    wtf…Norwich keeper just got shown red for intentional handle.

  • 74 Fostino // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    people have done their homework on tiote…he was always prone to play dangerously when he was on the ball…..before he got away with it but now, opposition players know that he is well able to run into trouble

    defensively then, he to be fair is tricky to get past and does cut down a lot of play but not as much as he used to. in terms of what he offers a team..we badly need a player like him in the team tho..

  • 75 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    whatever. tiote hasnt been terrible every game and hes the best we have at what he does. i respectfully choose to have no respect for any of your opinions on football. retard.

  • 76 Joe Blog // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    U wot m8

  • 77 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    aimed at phoenix, not you fostino

  • 78 Joe Blog // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Dembademba isn’t one for cogent reason and analysis, just entrenched views and lashing out with ad hominen guff. Good day, sir!

  • 79 tarie4 // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    i cant believe the no. of toon fans slating tiote and wanting him sold, no doubt the same that wanted Ba sold during the summer, stating cisse was better etc and bam he scored 13 odd goals before jan….
    i am in agreement that his form is not the best at the moment.. but to say his a liability etc is just a bit too much.. and if tiote conceded the amount of free kicks phoenix is stating then heck he must have more than the two red cards his got in his toon career…

    tiote is the best defensive midfielder we have….but at the moment i agree he has been pretty awful… but that should not warrent the hate brigade against him..
    i say lets keep him for a bit longer (i.e) not sell him in the summer and see what he has to offer next season…if he is still as terrible as he is this season then sell him, but guys lets not let emotion cloud our judgement…

  • 80 NUFCarter // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Sunderland are lucky bastards. Norwich were all over them then a couple of controversial decisions and theyre level. So harsh on norwich feel quite sorry for em especially as my brother supports them. Hate those dirty mackems. Wouldnt mind a draw though would be best result for nufc :)

  • 81 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    joe blog

    im sorry, im just pissed off. tiote is one of the players i am most loyal to, in my eyes he is one of our best players and was one of the first to come in when we got promoted and play with a no nonsense attitude, break up play and pass simple. im pissed off with people who in my eyes are unfair and typify everything that is wrong with football fans, showing no loyalty and wanting to change things when someone isnt playing so well. i am one for reasoned analysis but not when those speaking to me talk nonsense. as i said i only think tiote has given away 2 penalties and been sent off twice (im not certain on that) hardly the big liability he is made out to be, we are weaker defensively without him although you can make a case for perch doing a similar job in a much more understated way

  • 82 ~ Phoenix Warrior Perch~ // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    is that so Tarie4?

    I did not want Ba sold at any point and was livid when he left, however I admit I was also angry at the manner in which he left.

    @DembaDemba

    That is your choice. No one made you reply to my views in the first place. Continue to fap over a poster of Tiote.. its your freedom to do so.

  • 83 Joe Blog // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Perch dies everything Tiote does, without the shambolic passing, dithering decision making, dwelling on the ball and silly, petulant fouls – better player, better temperament and a victim of the preposterous mythical status bestowed upon Tiote.

    Oh, did I mention the plop-shots… I mean.. pot-shots, too – those pretty much sum up the current state of affairs, he’s still being encouraged to take them off the back of the Arsenal goal, which happened over 2 years ago and truth be told, was a wild swing.

  • 84 NUFCarter // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    To be honest we don’t want to sell anyone in the summer we need to increase our squad and by selling tiote won’t achieve that. Colo and maybe obertan are likely to leave and williamsons future is unknown. Who’s to say we bring many players in. We may lose more than we bring in. I say keep tiote we know what he’s capable of and in his first season he was absolutely class and scored that wonder goal against arsenal in that 4-4 draw ;)

  • 85 Joe Blog // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Dembademba

    Now you’re talking a degree of sense – balance you see – let’s meditate: “ommmmmm….”

  • 86 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    i agree perch can do everything tiote does, perch is immense, more versatile, a victim of being english and coming from a lower division i’d say. on his day tiote does everything that bit better though. we need english players in the team badly though and we do need perch, i see him as an important player who will continue to improve. oif tiote doesnt then yes, maybe move him on, but not this summer

  • 87 tarie4 // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    as for the formation and how we play.. we will never ever play like barca or spain, we will never play like the invincibles… i would rather play like madrid and spurs or united ..thats the football we shud aim to play like…no need for this one touch tika taka stuff… lets move the ball from back to front at pace, use the width of the pitch and get bodies into the box…with the players we have thats the realistic type of football we can play… all we need is another pacy winger, a.pacey forward and a towering beast of a centre back.
    move the ball from the cbs to cabaye quickly move it to benny or goofy to attack their fullbacks or to cut inside with the fullbacks overlapping. etc etc… off the ball lets press high up, (we have quick defenders now to actually do.this) and harass them. thats the football we should play…or aim to play.. and is the most effective way of playing in our league.. we need pace,.power and technical ability, comeon pards lets do this pliz

  • 88 dembademba // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    im going to work to check my shifts, get some fresh air ;)

    might put a bet on…. tiote to score the winner :D

    hwtl !!

  • 89 AndyNUFC // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Tiote for me is one of the most physically competitive in the league, technically good but tactically poor.

    Compare him to Perch – once a error prone liability, worrying fans before he stepped on the pitch. Tiote was our rock in midfield and fans loved his aggressive style. Now Perch is loved by fans for his calm, no nonsense play with clean tackling, British bulldog attitude – and Tiote is an undisciplined, less than influential liability.

    Don’t get me wrong – this season has brought out the worst in some players, but I like having his presence at times. Right now though he should be brought off the bench.

  • 90 belgrade fan // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    links?

  • 91 Jamesthefirst // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Can’t understand all those naming the first 11 that will start today, and not including Jonas. Have you learnt nothing this season?

    Jonas ALWAYS starts. Regardless of form, injury, or anything else.

    He is always the first name Pardew writes on his team sheet.

  • 92 Mister Tuff // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    I think some contributors are being a bit harsh on Mr T. Whilst he may have been caught in possession a few times recently by dallying on the ball a bit -his overall contribution to us this season should not attract such severe criticism. He works hard, will run all day -berates others for not doing their jobs properly, breaks down attacks, will not give up. I would hate to face him on a pitch -if you get past him he will chase you down regardless. Once we have what appears to be a settled side (new stiker(s)/attacking midfielder in the summer) and when we REALLY become a team consistently, where everyone knows exactly their roles I’m sure the Mr T debate will not attract such adverse comments.
    Today -my shout is 2-1 to the Toon -we still need to draw away from the bottom -currently the bottom ten points difference is only ten. Still to near the bottom three for my liking.

  • 93 cyprus // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Other players like playing Tiote?? I don’t like getting personal, but have you played football? Would you prefer Perch or him against you? Have any teams made inquiries about Perch’s availability? Who plays for a very decent national team? Having said all this, yes his pirouettes give me the jitters :)

  • 94 q8igeordie // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    If poeple cant stay loyal to our players when they are having a bad couple of weeks .. then I woudnt blame any player for leaving for better wages

  • 95 q8igeordie // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Some fans are a disgrace … slate ba for leaving saying that he should be loyal .. but when a players form drops .. fans start a hate brigade against him …. disgusting

  • 96 obatoyou // Mar 17, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Must have missed something… Wigan ain’t so hot potatoes mate

  • 97 q8igeordie // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    I hate tiote .. pardew out .. ba the mercenary .. cisse is bad .. lets sell gutti .. omg santon is bad defensively. . Sell the whole club and tear it down …

  • 98 q8igeordie // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Oh I forgot .. sack the fat lamb .. and ashley is a fat b*st*rd

  • 99 q8igeordie // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    Krul cant kick a ball .. sell him and get one that can … ben arfa is 5he new keiron dyer .. he will always be injured

  • 100 Joe Blog // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    Paddy’s Day doesn’t mean you have to throw a hissy-fit, q8igeordie, I think you’ve misunderstood it.

  • 101 toonbrother // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    @q8igeordie excellent point. lol

  • 102 q8igeordie // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Like kets always says .. buy ba back .. buy remy .. buy gameiro .. buy sakho .. buy lloris .. buy sneijder .. and buy scharner

  • 103 geordie066 // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    Is anyone watch the scum game? bramble still looks as lost as he ever did during a football match and norwich are massively unlucky to be only drawing 3 bad decisions against them… sunderland look like a team very short of anything=maybe relegation

  • 104 roshan MAGPIE // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Lee Ryder?@lee_ryder#NUFC: Elliot; Debuchy, S.Taylor, Yanga-Mbiwa, Santon; Gutierrez (c), Tiote; Marveaux, Sissoko, Gouffran; Cisse

  • 105 Joe Blog // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Gosling has to be the most non-description player we’ve ever had, what is it he actually does? Would rather have firecracker Campbell in the bench.

    Anyway. Until the match, sayonara!

  • 106 Joe Blog // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    non-descript*

  • 107 roshan MAGPIE // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    yder#NUFCsubs: Harper, Haidara, Perch, Anita, Gosling, Obertan, Shola Ameobi

  • 108 CDEVINE69 // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    norwich have been absoluly ROBBED today. sunderland are woefull

  • 109 q8igeordie // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    Whats wrong with sissokos final ball .. bench that idiot

  • 110 toonbrother // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    lol i called it 100% right.scary how im beginning to think like pardew :-o

  • 111 geordie066 // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    I agree devine they are gonna be humped in their next 4 fixtures and hopefully replace reading in bottom 3

  • 112 q8igeordie // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Geordie .. cdevine .. I agree .. bad bad decisions

  • 113 toonbrother // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    q8igeordie the players are just as loyal to our club as we fans are to the players i wouldnt blame the likes of hba, cabs,mym or debuchy following the money if a big club comes in for them

  • 114 El Sleeve // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    who has gosling paid a night time visit to to get anywehere near the first team?!

  • 115 geordie066 // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    2 norwich hand balls= never hand balls and ref is saying he sent keeper off for impeding goal scoring opportunity is just him making up a reason after realising it wasnt a hand ball, striker had no control of ball when keeper blocked it so how was a goal scoring opportunity i have no idea… but we all no chris foy is dubious

  • 116 geordie066 // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    I havent been to St James for a few years now but want to take my son to his first game at the benfica game he is 6 and just starting to understand his love for the toon….. wondering if people recommend going for family area or trying for any seats and giving him the full experience of St James atmosphere all at once??????

  • 117 Lucky Les // Mar 17, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Just returned from the pub after Sunday lunch Mackems result quite a good one for us as both sides stay in the relegation fight.Anything but a defeat would be a good result today.Let us hope Cisse little goal run continues. Marveux playing today let us hope he turns it on.Never had a draw for a while !




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