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Debuchy Injury Worse Than First Thought

10:23 am, Monday, April 1st, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 97 Comments

While Davide Santon, Cheick Tiote, Sylvain Marveaux and Tim Krul could all be available for the Benfica game, Alan Pardew has said it doesn’t look like Mathieu Debuchy will make the Thursday game or the Fulham game next Sunday.

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Mathieu Debuchy – will miss Fulham game

That’s not good news for Newcastle, and the hamstring injury that Mathieu picked up just over two weeks at Wigan after just 12 minutes, seems to be worse than first thought.

It looks like his hamstring injury could take longer to recover from than first expected, and he could even miss the next four games, that end up with the local derby at home to Sunderland on April 14th, which is a relegation 6 pointer.

Alan Pardew is now under some pressure after a dip in league results have put us just 3 points above the drop zone, and he had this to say in the Evening Chronicle today:

“I think all those players I mentioned have got a great chance for Fulham, of course.” “Whether they make Thursday, we’ll have to wait and see. I don’t think Debuchy will make Fulham.”

“I think it was difficult for the players coming in. We perhaps had too many players missing.” Yet Pardew hopes to have a host of returning stars on tomorrow’s flight to Lisbon.”

“Marveaux had a slight groin strain in the week.” “I was a little bit worried bearing in mind we’ve got Benfica and then Fulham, which is probably more of a winnable game.”

“I didn’t want to lose him. Cheick could be OK for Thursday, and Santon was perhaps a day’s training away from being involved. Sadio’s close. Tim’s close. I need them all back for Thursday.”

“We know the next two are really important games for us.” “We know at Wigan we were unlucky.” “But on Saturday we got well beaten by a team that was better than us.” “Benfica on Thursday: we’ll certainly be better, whichever XI I field.”

It was the way we lost on Sunday that is so disconcerting to many Newcastle fans – and the lads need to do a lot better in Lisbon, but even if we can get a good result against Benfica – we are still fighting for our lives in the Premier League, and must try to get all 3 points on Sunday afternoon against the Cottagers.

We hope there will be a sell-out crowd there on Sunday at St. James’ Park, to cheer the lads on, and that will help and a win would be a great relief.

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Tags: Cheick Tiote · Davide Santon · Europa League · European Competition · Injuries · Newcastle News · Sylvain Marveaux · Tim Krul


97 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Not remotely interested in what pardew says. No matter what he says to the press that doesn’t reflect on the team.

    He says we sat too deep, etc etc but its the same every week.

    The only time it’s changed was the 6 game winning run last year with cabaye right up behind cisse (the only time he has shown his very best for us) but for whatever reason that changed.

    Not bothered we lost to city, they played very well so even out best probably wouldn’t have been enough but the way we got beat was pathetic, very little fight (which is what last season was based on, we haven’t shown it this season in 90% of games).

  • 2 toonbrother // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    under pardumbs stewardship i genuinely think relegation is a possibility.Under a better manager the following attacking line up could have been deployed in Europe with confidence

    and this line up in the league

    Jonas……. Tiote..Sissoko

    unfortunately he has mismanaged sissoko ,turned marveaux into a cameo specialist, decimated obertans confidence and stunted bigirimana’s progress. As a result we are over-reliant on cabaye and tiote (neither of whom was having a stellar season to begin with) constantly expecting them to produce miracles back to back games. I’m sorry Pardew is pure unadulterated garbage

  • 3 Marty-Toon // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Newcastles most posted news throughout the season= hamstring injury

  • 4 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Well since a hamsting takes 4-5 to heal probably if you want to take care of yourself in the long run,then surely playing Debuchy are 2-3 weeks is pushing it!

    …but then again we can always pull a HBA and close our eyes and hope the best!

  • 5 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Glad I never got the chance to watch the game on Saturday it sounded like a real horror show ,didnt sound as bad on the radio, I don’t want us to throw away the game on Thursday night but I definitely don’t think anybody should be brought back early for the sake of it.

  • 6 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM


    A few articles back, saying you don’t blame lack of signings for this season. Here’s my view

    6th – if we ha spent well in the summer and not had injuries to key players

    8th-10th – no injuries but no summer signings

    12-14th – injuries we had and no summer signings (where we should be this season, up to January)

    That’s how I see it. Injuries did hamper us but at the same time the players we had a lot of the time were enough to get us higher in the table, we weren’t so bad we should have been on that horrible run of form.

  • 7 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:38 AM


    Again….it depends on if its tight, a strain, if its torn (and what level) . It’s not a black and white issue.

    We can afford to gamble a bit now though because the season is almost over so if he ends up being out longer term he has summer to recover for next year.

  • 8 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    Is anybody taking into account a captain who doesn’t want to be here and a captain in waiting suffering from depression because he never had a proper holiday.

  • 9 Graeme // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    With the way the table looks today and the fixtures coming up, its almost certain that Reading and QPR are doomed to Championship footy next season.

    Its then a case of either Wigan or Villa joining them, with an outside chance of the scum being sucked into it as well.

    Wins against Fulham and the scum will see us safe; probably draws against scum and Luckypoo would see us safe. Our situation isnt pretty, but there are 4 teams who will be below us come the end of the season.

  • 10 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Scum and luckypoo …..

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:42 AM


    That surely can’t help the cause. But the players should have more fight regardless of the captains position.

  • 12 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Footballers are robots used for our entertainment sir don’t try giving the emotions! That leads to a dark future!

    Our entire season has been a write off barring the Europa League plenty of reasons behind that but easier to just blame the manager I suppose been a tough season to take for players and fans alike but we will stay up imo (skin of our teeth maybe) and the questions will be answered in the summer

  • 13 hugenufcfan // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:50 AM


    pardew really baffles me. The press conf he gave b4 the city match made me think he would attack city from the word go, but it turned out he had just the opposite in mind.
    He talked about things like mancini’s mind games wont work on this. WTF.
    My advice to pardumb, either you shut it mate or you walk the talk

  • 14 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    A complete write off, I think we’ll stay up as well even if it means relying on other teams being worse than us, just as we were turning a corner all it takes is for Cisse to miss a few chance and some horrendous refereeing decisions, throw in some more injuries and confidence is rock bottom again, but yes you’re right that it is easier to blame the manager for all that but to stay off the blog when we progress to a quarter final or beat the European champions.

  • 15 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    TS…yes there are degrees (that is how you classify a hamstring), but even a degree 1 hamstring takes time to heal and then a player need to be conditioned afterwards.

    Doing this in a timeframe of two weeks is really pushing it. I have been there it is almost impossible especially if you want to be able play at full speed afterwards.

    That is the goal right?

    J4A…every team has injuries and we haven’t been worse off from last season or some many other teams. Injuries are not defining us.

    With our signing last summer we should have been able to be in around 10th spot in Junuary. Thought we gambled on not signing a CB.

  • 16 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    And taking into consideration where we were in January I think we have gambled on not signing a direct replacement to Ba!

  • 17 Troy Stavers // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    There must be major flaws in the training methods as we never play possession football.

    I’m no coach but common sense tells me that you try and emulate the best club in the world at any given time. Copy their successful techniques and though you may not achieve their success you will at least improve.

    Barca play a system almost totally opposite to us!!!!!!!! Why????

    Why don’t we try and emulate them. ????

    Frightening to be honest.

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Jesper ,
    Injuries and squad size have defined our season and it was a massive gamble not only in not bringing in a CB but also a RB and LB and a third striker to mix it up with Cisse and Ba might have been a different team altogether with Gouffran or someone similar to keep Cisse on his toes.

  • 19 bills-son // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Jail, one thing we defo agree on is not bringing players back early for Benfica.

    I’d save Santon and Haidara for Fulham and only Krul and Tiote should possibly play against Benfica. If Debuchy is out for another 2/3 weeks we need Santon fit at RB and Haidara fit on the left. I also think Marv has a chance against Benfica to play himself into Goofy’s position against Fulham – Goofy hasn’t looked effective at all since he came back from injury.

    Got to say as well that Sissoko worries me slightly – he has brilliant moments (rarer of late) but goes missing completely for long periods in every game. I don’t think he yet knows how to play that forward role and his positioning is often very poor – he ‘wanders’ rather than tracking players or moving into space. Good player, but currently overhyped by fans.

  • 20 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Cisse miss a few chance? Surely not :)
    Fan confidence is one thing but player confidence is another and as long as that stays high my worry stays in check in regards to relegation.

    Blogs a place of doom these days regardless of results when we win Pards is being ignored when we lose Pards rules the roost

    Bring on Benfica though am still excited for possible Europa League glory

  • 21 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM


    With 21 points to play for and only a 3 point gap between us and the drop, I’m not so confident.
    We have been dire most of the season and I have no confidence left in Pardew.

    Fortunately Villa have to play Wigan, Scum, Stoke & Norwich. – So some of our rivals won’t be getting points in these games.

    Wigan and Southampton are winning and will probably continue to pick up points.

    Villa, scum and Norwich are losing we have to hope their poor form continues and the right teams win these six-pointers.

  • 22 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Pardew has apparently wondered where the goals will come from,if I had witnessed my owner letting six forwards leave and only bringing one in I would wonder too.

  • 23 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Completely agree lads
    Would just like to say that our entire medical team/physio’s/fitness coach’s and anyone else who is supposed to be employed to moniter purely the fitness levels and conditioning needs sacking because the conditioning of our players this season is disgusting, so many injuries that are silly little strains etc and the lads normally look fcuked after about 70 mins! Though some would have you believe this is down to pardew only!

    Why do people keep using narcs as a template? If it was that easy do you not think every team in the world would be doing it???

  • 24 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    When the manager was giving his pre-season “steer” on expectations, he seemed not to have thought what effect it would have on his more ambitious players.
    To have their efforts categorized as “getting ahead of ourselves” might have been a bit galling. Indeed, the players did seek clarification, as was well reported at the time.
    Ba, Colocinni, Tiote, Ben Arfa, and to some extent Krul and Cabaye, didn’t seem to play with the same commitment this season, and it hasn’t all been about injuries. Demotivated players tend to be injured at lot.
    Very early in the season, I made the point Jail made yesterday, about the effect on morale of being told you’d be retreating from ground you’d fought hard to gain. And then being told you aren’t being reinforced after all.
    The team was counter-attacked as it retreated, and it broke and ran. Some deserted. It was always a risk, and it’s like watching the end of Little Big Man right now, with Pardew sounding a bit like Custer, “we are being wiped out!”
    We have to hope we won’t be. Someone needs to rally this team. Now.

  • 25 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM


    They play that way because there are no weak links.
    They can all pass with amazing accuracy and are happy to receive the ball even under pressure.

    You need a squad of purples and confidence from years of winning.

    We had Simmo on the pitch and he can’t pass five yards and hoofs under pressure. Did Sissoko and Gouffran play on Saturday. I watched the game but can’t remember them touching the ball.

  • 26 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    In regards to the coaches etc is there not a case to be made that we don’t employ enough of them to cover our squad? I don’t know but last I heard our back room staff was very limited in size

    Added to that is our not so long ago very out dated equipment and practises that was employed (again something I read) though I believe investment was made I don’t know to what extent

  • 27 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM


    Didn’t Allardyce buy a machine that shook the shit our of you? Worked like a colonic but without the tubes, penetration and embarrassment.

  • 28 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Big Sam bought in a load of up to date machines and trained staff but they were all sacked when he left to my memory

  • 29 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    *** Stat alert ***

    Last 3 Prem games Simmo has started we’ve let in 15 goals!

  • 30 cyprus // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Is it true that sponsorship for Sunderland has changed from ‘Invest in Africa’ to ‘Forza Italia’?

  • 31 Troy Stavers // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    &hartem ‘ Toonarmydarnsarf

    I’m lost at how poor we actually are. Even just trying to emulate Barca would improve us. Its about giving options to the player on the ball. So often you see our players who have no options but the big boot up field. Barca have 2 or 3 players within 10 yards of the player on the ball and allow the player to pick a pass.

    If they lose the ball they crowd the opposing player in numbers.

    I see no structure to our play. The only time I’ve really admired the toons style of play over the last 40 yrs were under Arthur Cox, Kevin Keegan and Sir Bob.

    We must have had 20 odd managers in between and they were all kak!!!

    Its a poor statistic for such a big club.

  • 32 cyprus // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Simple, yet you are so right: When a player of us has the ball, 2-3 near options always available. When the opposition has the ball, chase them like crazy until they get rid of it. It’s not rocket science AP.
    (Oh, and don’t play THAT player again!)

  • 33 Mister Tuff // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Hatem’s better than Messi @27
    you posted earlier “Didn’t Allardyce buy a machine that shook the shit our of you? Worked like a colonic but without the tubes, penetration and embarrassment.”

    This answers a lot of questions for me – it must be that Percy thinks the above machine is a coffee dispenser and uses it as such on a regular basis.

  • 34 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Id feel much happier seeing Pards being slated and blamed for our ills had half of the January signing been brought in earlier.

  • 35 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Africa has had and still has more than it’s fair share of Fascist dictators.

    I’m sure he’ll admire their style and ruthless control of their populations.

  • 36 Troy Stavers // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Keegan was the first to bring that style of football to the british game. He only practiced 5 a side football in training and it showed on the big pitch. We played in triangles, keeping the ball moving with one touch football.

    Barcas system is a development t on that and more sophisticated than Keegans, who was direct continuously. Barca play with more patience.

    I still believe Keegans style of training would enhance our clueless bunch who seem to pass the ball and stand still admiring their pass, then finding themselves back tracking as the player loses the ball as he has no options.

  • 37 dmac // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Anyone concerned that pards has come out and said Debuchy wont make thursday? Im not even in charge of the team but i know he is cup tied and cannot play…..

  • 38 bills-son // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Hatem @ 25

    Sissoko especially goes missing for long periods in every match.

    Even against Chelsea at home he was totally annonymous in the first half and for the first 20 minutes of the second until he outran Ashley Cole.

    He is a very good player, but he needs to contribute alot more to the team especially when the oppo have possession.

    As for Gouffran, he has been nowhere near the player he was before he got injured. A passenger like Sissoko for long periods.

    The new french players have to understand fast that skill in this division gets you nowhere without effort and tempo. That is what worries me about the run in games.

  • 39 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    our fitness coach from last season left for pastures new.

    I was told this from a member of the academy coaching set up who i have known all my life.

    since the season began all of the players have looked sluggish. but they have also looked stronger which would indicate they have been doing strengthening exercises.

    when you add weight to any athlete you increase the risk of an injury simply because his ligaments/joints etc are not designed to support the additional weight.

    I really think this is our problem at least as far as the repetitive hamstring injuries go.

  • 40 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    Which of our players are actually better since they joined us? Perch and …

    Youngsters demoralised and blamed.
    Fringe players demoralised and blamed.

    Fans blamed, Officials blamed, Agents blamed, Europe blamed, Llambias blamed.

    Don’t you just love Pardew?

  • 41 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    Circumstances cannot and will not deter from an scapegoats damnation

    Harder truths are, as the name suggests, harder to accept and people on mass have no time for such things. U are fighting against the current by implying people should consider deeper reasons behind our season

    Christ I sound like a ball bag these days

  • 42 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    J4A…I believe we did agree terms with Lille over Debuchy last summer but they pulled out of the deal.

    We were rumored to be after a forward and a CB and I believe that to be true – but they were looking for a deal that suited the club. They said they couldn’t fins that and maybe that is the truth or maybe not!

    Maybe Pardew’s and Carr’s list were too short?

    We haven’t really missed anything beside a CB at the back until January and Ba and Cisse haven’t missed many games either.

    We have gambled on not signing a direct replacement for Ba I think.

    Beside that I am A OK with our dealings. Still are!

    On squad size. This comes directly from Laudrup; he says a first team squad should be no more than 22-23 players and the rest you should take from your developement team.

    He seems to be doing alright and he his to to change his approach come next season when he has EL.

    Just a thought!

  • 43 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    I remember reading an article years back that said nearly all footballers have some sort of soreness or tightness on at least one muscle for every game, if you waited til they were 100% fit then you wouldn’t have a team. There is always some degree of problem but not usually enough to stop you playing.

    Can’t find the article as not sure who wrote/said it now. But it was a good read.

    But Europa league would be great to win but we shouldn’t risk players if they aren’t fit. If they are fine let them play, but don’t put so many returning players in because you can’t bring off 4/5 if they stiffen up, we can’t afford too many injuries now.

  • 44 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Hatem……haven’t you noticed that there are some blinkered posters who blame Ashley for everything?

  • 45 Goodfella // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Van der wiel is has taking a pop at us today (muppet)

  • 46 Troy Stavers // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:17 PM


    Ha class!!! If Pards has said that then he needs ridiculing for it!!!! :-D

  • 47 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    The season is nearly over and Pardew still hasn’t worked out when we play a high tempo game and pass and move we look good and there is a passion about our play.Saturday there was nothing we didn’t even look like we knew how to close down players.What do we work on in training because nothing has changed in our play from the start of the season

  • 48 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Where has Pards said Debuchy wouldn’t be ready for Thursday the quote above prove he knows he’s cup tied and all the quote will come from the same day…or is it just another stick?

  • 49 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Pardew, Ashley, and Llambias have all admitted they under-cooked things before the season started. Ashley will have talked to his football people and said; “this is my expectation, and these are the resources. Is it do-able?”
    The football people thought it was do-able.
    There was a widely-held view on this blog at the time they’d got it spot on. Even THEY aren’t trying to defend that position now. To their credit they tried to put it right. So it’s not a question of blaming Pardew entirely or blaming Ashley entirely for anything. Pardew wasn’t shafted. He was confident he had enough in the tank, and probably thought he’d done well to keep the squad together, in body, if not in spirit. The winter transfer window gave us some momentum, and manager and players responded. But we were unlucky against Swansea, and fell victim to “The Great Wigan Revival” storyline being choreographed at Wigan. It knocked the wheels off our own revival. We may not have made our own luck this season, but we are surely due a bit.

  • 50 Troy Stavers // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:34 PM


    I’m still confident both the players and Pardew are up to the job to get us well clear of relegation by the end of the season.

    However, some serious questions need asking by Ashley to Pardew this summer.

  • 51 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    My problem is we never learned from when we played city at home.Second half at home we had them on the back foot and could have got a draw.Saturday we sat back like we did first half at home and it was like ground- hog day

  • 52 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    I don’t care how many injuries we have had botton line Pardew should have done a lot better with the squad he has. Even on our worst day with numerous injury’s was the first team worse than any of the clubs above us barring the top 6 or 7 because I don’t think so at all.

    Its also funny that Pardew never makes excuses when we win games but has 3 or 4 lined up if we lose. I would like him to take a bit of responsibilityas well.

    One player who’s career is done at NUFC is Obertan. The guy is a total bum and even his “electric pace” has been eclipsed by Sissoko who I now believe is our fastest player. The way Gabby put in that half arsed challenge on the edge of the box only to walk away and let City score had me raging. I hope he never wears an NUFC shirt again.

  • 53 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    B & B…bang on. It wasn’t Ashley who decided the fringe players were up to the task. It wasn’t Ashley who came out publicly and criticised the young players when they didn’t step up to the plate. In fact, two of our January signings were brought forward (obviously with Ashley’s blessing) because of the mess we were in. As I said earlier, we are more likely to replace our manager than get a new owner. I’d be surprised if Pards was replaced before the end of the season, but unless we finish with a flourish, I think his days are numbered. Ashley is ruthless in business, and NUFC is another business to him.

  • 54 Toon-Prodigy // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    Scapegoats again.. Sigh.

    Have we progressed in the last few years? As a football club?

    Have we a divine right to be champions league contenders? We are building.

    We have a quality squad and a decent manager who are trying their upmost. Upstairs have admitted to their mistakes.

    If we got turned over like that against QPR i’d be worried.

    We will look alot better next season and rightly finish in the top 6-8.

    With Pardew in charge.

  • 55 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM


    If you think back to last summer, plenty of people were worried we would cash in on Tiote and possibly on Ben Arfa. Some people even relished the idea of us “stuffing” some other clubs by taking their eyes out for them. Pardew WAS worried. His double manager of the year award should have given him the confidence to argue for more. But he was, typically, in defensive mode, and wanted to protect what he had. If he thought he wasn’t being backed, THEN was the time to say, as by Christmas, Ashley was probably thinking WTF is going on here? Personally, I’m not THAT confident. The team needs to go out thinking what IT is going to do to the opposition, rather than the other way round.

  • 56 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    What makes it worse is we have seen in glimpses of what we can do if we set out to win and what Cisse can do given the service.For me the Reading home game showed me how bad Pardew was trying to defend a 1-0 for 30 mins rather can keep going and kill them off with a second

  • 57 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    Looking at the different opinions of who is to blame for the dabacle of last summer I think it is safe to say that none of us know what really happened behind the scenes, I do specifically remember Pards saying that four top quality signings would be bought in the summer only to backtrack the statement later unfortunately I didn’t bear witness to him convincing Ashley that the youngsters
    would be good enough to see us through, I also specifically remember him publicly stating that we’d be looking at a replacement for RTaylor again backtracking the statement the very next day, unfortunately I didn’t bear witness to him explaining to Dirk Dastardly that he thought our squad of over achievers was big enough for an EL and PL campaign.

  • 58 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Which shows your ability to blame Ashley for everything doesn’t hold water.

  • 59 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    A lot of us thought Pards as award winning manager would have had a bit more clout in the transfer kitty, but then there were plenty of those that said he done well to keep quiet as we had a good enough squad to cope.

  • 60 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    He holds the purse string and imo he and Dirk Dastardly are the ones responsible whether that theory holds water or not, , it’s my opinion and I am very much entitled to it as a paying customer.

  • 61 dmac // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Apologies – i posted having just read the top part of the article. Ed implies in the opening paragraph that Debuchy wont be fit for Thursday but indeed as WwYcd noted pardew doesnt in fact say that.

    Im undecided on Pards tbh, i like the idea of stability very much, just some of his decisions leave me totally baffled.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:09 PM


    I can only speak for myself here but I don’t think we should in champs league spots, we dont have the quality squad of spurs, chelsea and arsenal (plus the experience those teams have of getting champs league, especially the latter two).

    I just think we need to make sure that we progress the right way. Do we want a scout bringing in ball playing players like he is doing for them to not be utilized in the correct manner?

    Our football isn’t terrible, we have played it much more n the ground in recent weeks since the january window but we still don’t seem to be getting any closer t gelling as a team and offering options.

    Yes this will take time but usually there is some level of progress, I’m yet to see it and we are so defensively set up that we invite extra pressure on ourselves.

    I just want to see us attack a lot more, doesn’t have t be over the top attacking but has to be more than now.

  • 63 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Jail for trash..As a paying customer? You just said before you listened to the game on the radio, and don’t get to many games You’re sounding more and more like a spoilt child……perhaps you are one.

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:13 PM


    I like the idea of stability but stability in the ethos of the club, not the managing or playing staff.

    Look at swansea, lost a few managers in recent years but continued to progress. why? well there chairman is a very good football man.

    He has identified a style of the play he wants the club to be based on. So when one manager leaves (they have progressed as a club so can get a bigger name each time) they replace him with a similar style.

    This means you can keep a low turnover of players as most should be suited to the new manager and instead of having to change the whole squad/style you can continue to slowly build by upgrading your worse players and bringing in a higher level.

  • 65 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    I never said I dont get to many games, considering I spend half the year out of the country I get to my fairshare, I subscribe to membeship every year and spend in the club shop, that I think qualifies as a paying customer.

  • 66 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    And my dad is bigger than your dad ,so there.

  • 67 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM


    The decision to lower the bar was the root of this season’s trouble. We get accused of spouting the same old tosh. But, answering for myself, I’d argue that my same old tosh has largely come to pass, whereas some of those “rational” folks are confidently predicting for next season what they confidently predicted for this. The club has admitted it was wrong. I can only presume some folks think the relegation battle is a cunning plan and a necessary part of the building process for our hard-up little club.

  • 68 magpiemover // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Pardew needs the push , i run busses to every away game and what we are seeing is not good enough
    he keep playing avrage players ahead of good players , the performance was gutless and dissrespecfull to our travelling fans who paid £50 pounds a ticket , lose against the scum and that should seal his fate

  • 69 Novocastrian66 // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    We had a lot of our best players missing on Saturday; Given the fact that we had a lot of defenders missing I was surprised Williamson didn’t get a look in especially when you consider we had a midfielder playing fullback. Perhaps Mbiwa in at left back with Williamson alongside Taylor.
    Everyone would then blame Simmo and Willo for the debacle instead of Pardew!

  • 70 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    My dads dead so you’re probably right.

  • 71 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    toon in spain

    Jail is a solid poster here, he does say he gets to a lot of games when he can, so i wouldn’t question that, the guy works away.

    I think he has a point. Ashley has done some good I’ll give him that but he has also done a lot of bad.

    Improved training ground, cleared wage bill, got us top academy status now, great scout in place…so there is good too.

    Arguably his biggest job as owner is to appoint good manager. He was useless at this until houghton (more convenient appointment that good judgement, did work well though) and then Pardew (who many are split on still).

    He gambled by selling carroll and not getting a replacement, who’d have thought Best would stay fit and score them goals to keep us safe (was a gamble in my opinion), then we had a good summer after that, follwed by a good january getting cisse (but still gambled hugely not getting a CB in, perch and willo plyed out of their skin when taylor and colo were out).

    Then comes the summer just gone, huge gamble and it really didn’t pay off, regardless of injuries/poor management etc it was still risky only getting one first teamer, anita, in.

    January he did very well. The question we need to ask though is that just to make sure we dont go down, or is it the start of building a really strong squad? That’s something we won’t know for certain until August when the window closes.

  • 72 BarcelonaMag // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    I can’t believe the negativity about Pardew on this blog. I think he was being realistic when not risking players who possibly could have played against Man City, like Santon and Marveaux. Add their absence to the injuries and we had a seriously weakened team, one which was probably going to lose. So his decision to more or less write off that fixture as a loss was a correct one in my opinion. Now we’re in a good position for the Benfica game.

    P.S. Toon in Spain, where do you live?

  • 73 magpiemover // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    and for me enough is enough , he disrespects our players by saying our best team would of got beat off city to , talk about players loseing morale
    i think our blue chip players are starting to lose respect for pardew to ,
    he makeing good players look avrage
    this needs to change now ?

  • 74 Mister Tuff // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    Some folk try to re-write history. Percy has publicly stated that the great summer no buy gamble was a fault by the management at SJP and he included himself.
    So just for the record all of them = Ashley + Dastardly + Percy.
    Percy is well known for PR gaffes and forgetting what he he said in previous interviews -then says the opposite in a following interview. So I personally would not place too much store in what is said at press conferences. He probably talks too much.

  • 75 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    barcelona mag

    It’s more his whole approach to football as oppose to the man city game. We are always on the back foot. We are way too cautious.

    I watch football to be entertained, I want to see us play good football. Realistically we will struggle to win anything (i understand and accept that) but I just want to see us attack teams like we did with keegan and sir bobby.

  • 76 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    Band B,
    I used an example last year that if you priced to build a house for completion in five months, if you managed it in three you would move on to the next job not take the roof back off to make sure you hit the five month deadline.

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    mister tuff

    I do think Pardew was stitched up in the summer. He was on radio newcastle with carver doing a phone in and said he was looking to bring in a mate of cabaye (clearly debuchy) and it never materialised. He said he wanted to bring in a new goal scoring CB, he never arrived either.

    So what he said after is to be taken with a pinch of salt. If he said we haven’t got enough ,we will struggle he would be crucified by some for putting down our players and lowering morale.

  • 78 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Transfer….I agree Ashley is not blameless. He did, after all, appoint Pardew. What I can’t accept is the blind hatred for Ashley, to such an extent I believe certain posters on here (no names, no pack-drill ‘cos some people are quite tetchy) wouldn’t mind too much if his businesses went t*ts up or he failed at NUFC so they can turn round and say”I told you”. By the way, selling Carroll on the last day for £35m was a stroke of genius, even if he wasn’t replaced straight away.

  • 79 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM


    The triumvirate is Pardew/Llambias and Ashley. They have numerous meetings/ briefings/ discussions and much more daily contact than we can know. Do not for a minute think Pardew was happy with last summer’s lack of successful business. But also do not think he’d ever make those concerns public.

    If the Remy signing had come off we would be stronger now. (I think we’d have still made our other signings btw) We might not be playing Sissoko as a No 10 but as CAM. We’d have several more options if we had Santon, Debuchy and Haidarra available. The fact these guys were brought in showed the rest of the team we were serious about strengthening – belatedly admittedly.
    In the summer a lot of people thought at least three of our development squad were ready for first team action and they were not. The Brighton display shocked Pardew because the guys who should have taken their chance and tried to impress just didn’t seem bothered (except Dunnet, who I thought showed his SPL learned doggedness). He had every right to lay into them, it was the worst Newcastle performance I can remember. THAT was when the penny dropped and everyone realised our development players had been bigged up and just were not up to it and worse not up for it either.
    The triumvirate will have done a lot of soul searching after that. (Tbh I wonder if Pardew deliberately played so many development players in that game to make the point to his bosses)
    Even with our new signings we have an unsettled side who are doubling up on roles. A lot of us saw Anita as a deep lying playmaker in front of Tiote and distributing to Cabs in front of him. How many games have we seen Anita Cabaye and Tiote playing together this season ?
    The players do understand that their season has been incredibly disrupted this season. I hope we do not lose anyone this summer at all and bring in PEA at £10-12M and a Colo replacement – and use Sissoko as a box to box player and not a No 10 as Benny will be well again.
    The guys do know what the master plan is in terms of playing roles and also we just haven’t got there yet.

    And the number of bloggers on here playing the blame game with Pardew just have no comprehension of the complexity of the situation he has to cope with and the juggling he has had to do. Of course he has made mistakes this year. But the kind of luck we got in the Wigan game is so unpredictable and can mess up an entire season – a point from that game as we deserved and we would be looking up not down.

    Rant over !

  • 80 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    We are in a relagation scrap and can’t afford to throw any games.I don’t think Southampton,Wigan would say we can’t win why bother even trying.It was defence we were weakened in so why not attack more and give them less to do

  • 81 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    toon in spain

    I don’t disagree selling carroll was a brilliant move….just it was a huge gamble not to get somebody in as a replacement, even if just a short term loan.

  • 82 magpiemover // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Jail for Ashley
    i agree with u its the negativity that pisses me off
    we atack teams at home till we score
    then we sit deep there been times this season when teams have been there for the takeing and we have
    sat back and let them get back in to games . this team is good enough to destroy teams , and pardew would rather win 1.0 than 5 , 0 which does not entertain me 1 bit

  • 83 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Great goal Ba

  • 84 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Whay a finish from Ba. Wish we kept him like :(

  • 85 dmac // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Those that want Pardew out need to ask themselves who they want in replacement. – Steve Mclaren, Mark Hughes, Alan Curbishley ? No thanks.

    Could be worse we could have just appointed a facist that has on a number of occasions given a nazi salute, one that was racist towards a player he had on loan. A manager that punched one of his own players and then broke into the clubs offices!

    Consider us grateful ;)

  • 86 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    That triumvirate, did it replace the TR7 or the Herald?

  • 87 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    TS…the question still is would we have done much better if we had bought a few more players in the summer – players within reason of course!

    …it is plausible but somehow I highly doubt it. We are not really doing much better overall after the January transfer window.

    For me the problem comes from within and there is no easy fix. I believe in giving Pardew time, but he is in charge and we will be hold accountable (at least from me)

    I agree Ashley has gambled a few times on transfers, but from past statements from Pardew himself he doesn’t seem free of charge?

    The goal this season was a top 10 finish – I would have liked if haf reached higher but it would have taken a few more transfer dealings to achieve that. A 10th spot finish was very much within reach and we always had the opportunity to do business in January.

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:38 PM


    I take those points on board.

    Injuries, lack of strengthening in summer, youngsters not kicking on, etc etc haven’t helped him at all. Losing our top scorer hasn’t either.

    I’d like to say though that my gripe is the style we have played with since his arrival, not individual poor results we have had.

    Is there a manger in modern football that has a team around the top 4-6 of their league consistently by playing as defensive as we do?

    Not saying their isn’t, I just can’t think of one.

  • 89 beefman13 // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    yo yo, lets not forget that Brighton were up for that cup tie 100 per cent, we were not we all know, but 6 seniors in that team as well as the youngins and ive said many times that those seniors who put us in this position were as bad as those youngins on that day, its the manager who made such a scapegoat out of the kids in the situation, I woul 100 per cent have fergie in my team before Jonas every time, fergie did nothing wrong apart from getting starved of the ball and looking a bit lost, Birmingham know they have a real player at the moment, and im gkad hes getting more playing timem pardew froze the kid out when 3 or 4 seniors shoyld have giot that treatment.

    Defend PARDEW ALL YOU WANT I HAVE DEFENDED MA MANY TIMES, BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE ANY OTHER MANAGER IN THE PREM BEFORE PARDEW, a complete politician of a manager in fact the Tony Blair of football management, and that is not good.

  • 90 dmac // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    Beef would you rather have Di Canio?

  • 91 Rotonda heights // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:44 PM


    absolutely spot on. We now have some barcelona style players but the joke of a manager is the polar opposite.

  • 92 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    I do remember you making that most apposite analogy Jail. Yo-Yo. I agree with most of your tactical analysis. There isn’t a regular formation at the moment we could play that has entirely round pegs in round holes.
    Nobody knows what Ashley says to Pardew in their private meetings. But Pardew understood who was calling the shots and what was expected of him. Very clearly. And I’m not guessing at that.

  • 93 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:44 PM


    First point percentage is up until the villa game away (the first game all the new players were involved). There is a significant difference, but i do appreciate there is a difference in amount of games so not a entirely reliable reflection.

    28% – 20 points from 69 possible

    50% – 12 points from 24 possible

  • 94 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    My main problem with Pardew is that he is way too defensive. I want to watch a team that looks like it can score every time we go forward and go for the kill when playing well so we can thump a few more teams rather than trying ti defend a 1 goal lead for 30 minutes.

    What is also worrying is the sheer lack of chances we create with the talent we have. IMO we need to revert back to the 4-3-3 and get bodies around Cisse. Why a manager would play him as a target man or on the wing is beyond me. In future I would go for.



  • 95 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    I just want a manager who plays to our strengths and goes out every game to give it our best to win for 90 mins.Not sit on a 1-0 for 30 mins against a poor Reading side.A manager who fires his players up and makes them believe they can beat any side.A manager who can make subs to make a difference for the good not make us worse.Someone who worries more of what we can do as a team not about our opponents.

  • 96 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    TS…do you honestly reckon there will be a real point differece between pre january and post january?

  • 97 tabuk toon army // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:02 PM

    Why is everyone so negative on here. We have a horrendous injury list and have had most of the season Can you imagine Spurs without Bale well it would be pretty similar to us without Benny. I think Pardew is a shrewd character he does not tell the press much just run of the mill football cliches to keep them off his back Yet he seems to have a settled squad and i reckon with a few players back to fitness we will be sound as a pound. Just as an add on am i the only one who has been impressed with Rob Elliot since he has come in I know Krull is class but to be honest i cant think of Elliot letting us down in anyway and i think his distribution of the ball is maybe better than Krull as that is Krulls week point.

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