Debuchy Injury Worse Than First Thought


While Davide Santon, Cheick Tiote, Sylvain Marveaux and Tim Krul could all be available for the Benfica game, Alan Pardew has said it doesn’t look like Mathieu Debuchy will make the Thursday game or the Fulham game next Sunday.

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Mathieu Debuchy – will miss Fulham game

That’s not good news for Newcastle, and the hamstring injury that Mathieu picked up just over two weeks at Wigan after just 12 minutes, seems to be worse than first thought.

It looks like his hamstring injury could take longer to recover from than first expected, and he could even miss the next four games, that end up with the local derby at home to Sunderland on April 14th, which is a relegation 6 pointer.

Alan Pardew is now under some pressure after a dip in league results have put us just 3 points above the drop zone, and he had this to say in the Evening Chronicle today:

“I think all those players I mentioned have got a great chance for Fulham, of course.” “Whether they make Thursday, we’ll have to wait and see. I don’t think Debuchy will make Fulham.”

“I think it was difficult for the players coming in. We perhaps had too many players missing.” Yet Pardew hopes to have a host of returning stars on tomorrow’s flight to Lisbon.”

“Marveaux had a slight groin strain in the week.” “I was a little bit worried bearing in mind we’ve got Benfica and then Fulham, which is probably more of a winnable game.”

“I didn’t want to lose him. Cheick could be OK for Thursday, and Santon was perhaps a day’s training away from being involved. Sadio’s close. Tim’s close. I need them all back for Thursday.”

“We know the next two are really important games for us.” “We know at Wigan we were unlucky.” “But on Saturday we got well beaten by a team that was better than us.” “Benfica on Thursday: we’ll certainly be better, whichever XI I field.”

It was the way we lost on Sunday that is so disconcerting to many Newcastle fans – and the lads need to do a lot better in Lisbon, but even if we can get a good result against Benfica – we are still fighting for our lives in the Premier League, and must try to get all 3 points on Sunday afternoon against the Cottagers.

We hope there will be a sell-out crowd there on Sunday at St. James’ Park, to cheer the lads on, and that will help and a win would be a great relief.

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97 comments so far

  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #1

    Not remotely interested in what pardew says. No matter what he says to the press that doesn’t reflect on the team.

    He says we sat too deep, etc etc but its the same every week.

    The only time it’s changed was the 6 game winning run last year with cabaye right up behind cisse (the only time he has shown his very best for us) but for whatever reason that changed.

    Not bothered we lost to city, they played very well so even out best probably wouldn’t have been enough but the way we got beat was pathetic, very little fight (which is what last season was based on, we haven’t shown it this season in 90% of games).

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  • toonbrother

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #2

    under pardumbs stewardship i genuinely think relegation is a possibility.Under a better manager the following attacking line up could have been deployed in Europe with confidence
    obertan….bigirimana…sissoko….marveaux
    ………………..|Cisse…..Ameobi

    and this line up in the league

    Jonas……. Tiote..Sissoko
    ………………..Cabaye…………..Gouffran
    ……………..Cisse…

    unfortunately he has mismanaged sissoko ,turned marveaux into a cameo specialist, decimated obertans confidence and stunted bigirimana’s progress. As a result we are over-reliant on cabaye and tiote (neither of whom was having a stellar season to begin with) constantly expecting them to produce miracles back to back games. I’m sorry Pardew is pure unadulterated garbage

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  • Marty-Toon

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #3

    Newcastles most posted news throughout the season= hamstring injury

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #4

    Well since a hamsting takes 4-5 to heal probably if you want to take care of yourself in the long run,then surely playing Debuchy are 2-3 weeks is pushing it!

    …but then again we can always pull a HBA and close our eyes and hope the best!

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #5

    Glad I never got the chance to watch the game on Saturday it sounded like a real horror show ,didnt sound as bad on the radio, I don’t want us to throw away the game on Thursday night but I definitely don’t think anybody should be brought back early for the sake of it.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #6

    Jesper

    A few articles back, saying you don’t blame lack of signings for this season. Here’s my view

    6th – if we ha spent well in the summer and not had injuries to key players

    8th-10th – no injuries but no summer signings

    12-14th – injuries we had and no summer signings (where we should be this season, up to January)

    That’s how I see it. Injuries did hamper us but at the same time the players we had a lot of the time were enough to get us higher in the table, we weren’t so bad we should have been on that horrible run of form.

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #7

    Jesper

    Again….it depends on if its tight, a strain, if its torn (and what level) . It’s not a black and white issue.

    We can afford to gamble a bit now though because the season is almost over so if he ends up being out longer term he has summer to recover for next year.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #8

    Is anybody taking into account a captain who doesn’t want to be here and a captain in waiting suffering from depression because he never had a proper holiday.

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  • Graeme

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #9

    With the way the table looks today and the fixtures coming up, its almost certain that Reading and QPR are doomed to Championship footy next season.

    Its then a case of either Wigan or Villa joining them, with an outside chance of the scum being sucked into it as well.

    Wins against Fulham and the scum will see us safe; probably draws against scum and Luckypoo would see us safe. Our situation isnt pretty, but there are 4 teams who will be below us come the end of the season.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #10

    Scum and luckypoo …..

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  • Transfer Sage

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Comment #11

    Jail

    That surely can’t help the cause. But the players should have more fight regardless of the captains position.

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  • WWYCD

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #12

    JfA
    Footballers are robots used for our entertainment sir don’t try giving the emotions! That leads to a dark future!

    Our entire season has been a write off barring the Europa League plenty of reasons behind that but easier to just blame the manager I suppose been a tough season to take for players and fans alike but we will stay up imo (skin of our teeth maybe) and the questions will be answered in the summer

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  • hugenufcfan

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #13

    Repost:

    pardew really baffles me. The press conf he gave b4 the city match made me think he would attack city from the word go, but it turned out he had just the opposite in mind.
    He talked about things like mancini’s mind games wont work on this. WTF.
    My advice to pardumb, either you shut it mate or you walk the talk

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #14

    WW…,
    A complete write off, I think we’ll stay up as well even if it means relying on other teams being worse than us, just as we were turning a corner all it takes is for Cisse to miss a few chance and some horrendous refereeing decisions, throw in some more injuries and confidence is rock bottom again, but yes you’re right that it is easier to blame the manager for all that but to stay off the blog when we progress to a quarter final or beat the European champions.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #15

    TS…yes there are degrees (that is how you classify a hamstring), but even a degree 1 hamstring takes time to heal and then a player need to be conditioned afterwards.

    Doing this in a timeframe of two weeks is really pushing it. I have been there it is almost impossible especially if you want to be able play at full speed afterwards.

    That is the goal right?

    J4A…every team has injuries and we haven’t been worse off from last season or some many other teams. Injuries are not defining us.

    With our signing last summer we should have been able to be in around 10th spot in Junuary. Thought we gambled on not signing a CB.

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  • jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #16

    And taking into consideration where we were in January I think we have gambled on not signing a direct replacement to Ba!

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  • Troy Stavers

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #17

    There must be major flaws in the training methods as we never play possession football.

    I’m no coach but common sense tells me that you try and emulate the best club in the world at any given time. Copy their successful techniques and though you may not achieve their success you will at least improve.

    Barca play a system almost totally opposite to us!!!!!!!! Why????

    Why don’t we try and emulate them. ????

    Frightening to be honest.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 1, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #18

    Jesper ,
    Injuries and squad size have defined our season and it was a massive gamble not only in not bringing in a CB but also a RB and LB and a third striker to mix it up with Cisse and Ba might have been a different team altogether with Gouffran or someone similar to keep Cisse on his toes.

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  • bills-son

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #19

    Jail, one thing we defo agree on is not bringing players back early for Benfica.

    I’d save Santon and Haidara for Fulham and only Krul and Tiote should possibly play against Benfica. If Debuchy is out for another 2/3 weeks we need Santon fit at RB and Haidara fit on the left. I also think Marv has a chance against Benfica to play himself into Goofy’s position against Fulham – Goofy hasn’t looked effective at all since he came back from injury.

    Got to say as well that Sissoko worries me slightly – he has brilliant moments (rarer of late) but goes missing completely for long periods in every game. I don’t think he yet knows how to play that forward role and his positioning is often very poor – he ‘wanders’ rather than tracking players or moving into space. Good player, but currently overhyped by fans.

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  • WWYCD

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #20

    JfA
    Cisse miss a few chance? Surely not 🙂
    Fan confidence is one thing but player confidence is another and as long as that stays high my worry stays in check in regards to relegation.

    Blogs a place of doom these days regardless of results when we win Pards is being ignored when we lose Pards rules the roost

    Bring on Benfica though am still excited for possible Europa League glory

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Comment #21

    Graeme

    With 21 points to play for and only a 3 point gap between us and the drop, I’m not so confident.
    We have been dire most of the season and I have no confidence left in Pardew.

    Fortunately Villa have to play Wigan, Scum, Stoke & Norwich. – So some of our rivals won’t be getting points in these games.

    Wigan and Southampton are winning and will probably continue to pick up points.

    Villa, scum and Norwich are losing we have to hope their poor form continues and the right teams win these six-pointers.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #22

    Pardew has apparently wondered where the goals will come from,if I had witnessed my owner letting six forwards leave and only bringing one in I would wonder too.

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  • toonarmydownsouth

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #23

    JFA/WWYCD
    Completely agree lads
    Would just like to say that our entire medical team/physio’s/fitness coach’s and anyone else who is supposed to be employed to moniter purely the fitness levels and conditioning needs sacking because the conditioning of our players this season is disgusting, so many injuries that are silly little strains etc and the lads normally look fcuked after about 70 mins! Though some would have you believe this is down to pardew only!

    Troy
    Why do people keep using narcs as a template? If it was that easy do you not think every team in the world would be doing it???

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  • BandB

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #24

    When the manager was giving his pre-season “steer” on expectations, he seemed not to have thought what effect it would have on his more ambitious players.
    To have their efforts categorized as “getting ahead of ourselves” might have been a bit galling. Indeed, the players did seek clarification, as was well reported at the time.
    Ba, Colocinni, Tiote, Ben Arfa, and to some extent Krul and Cabaye, didn’t seem to play with the same commitment this season, and it hasn’t all been about injuries. Demotivated players tend to be injured at lot.
    Very early in the season, I made the point Jail made yesterday, about the effect on morale of being told you’d be retreating from ground you’d fought hard to gain. And then being told you aren’t being reinforced after all.
    The team was counter-attacked as it retreated, and it broke and ran. Some deserted. It was always a risk, and it’s like watching the end of Little Big Man right now, with Pardew sounding a bit like Custer, “we are being wiped out!”
    We have to hope we won’t be. Someone needs to rally this team. Now.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #25

    Troy

    They play that way because there are no weak links.
    They can all pass with amazing accuracy and are happy to receive the ball even under pressure.

    You need a squad of purples and confidence from years of winning.

    We had Simmo on the pitch and he can’t pass five yards and hoofs under pressure. Did Sissoko and Gouffran play on Saturday. I watched the game but can’t remember them touching the ball.

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  • WWYCD

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #26

    Toonarmydownsouth
    In regards to the coaches etc is there not a case to be made that we don’t employ enough of them to cover our squad? I don’t know but last I heard our back room staff was very limited in size

    Added to that is our not so long ago very out dated equipment and practises that was employed (again something I read) though I believe investment was made I don’t know to what extent

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Comment #27

    WWYCD

    Didn’t Allardyce buy a machine that shook the shit our of you? Worked like a colonic but without the tubes, penetration and embarrassment.

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  • WWYCD

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #28

    Harem
    Big Sam bought in a load of up to date machines and trained staff but they were all sacked when he left to my memory

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #29

    *** Stat alert ***

    Last 3 Prem games Simmo has started we’ve let in 15 goals!

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  • cyprus

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #30

    Is it true that sponsorship for Sunderland has changed from ‘Invest in Africa’ to ‘Forza Italia’?

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  • Troy Stavers

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #31

    &hartem ‘ Toonarmydarnsarf

    I’m lost at how poor we actually are. Even just trying to emulate Barca would improve us. Its about giving options to the player on the ball. So often you see our players who have no options but the big boot up field. Barca have 2 or 3 players within 10 yards of the player on the ball and allow the player to pick a pass.

    If they lose the ball they crowd the opposing player in numbers.

    I see no structure to our play. The only time I’ve really admired the toons style of play over the last 40 yrs were under Arthur Cox, Kevin Keegan and Sir Bob.

    We must have had 20 odd managers in between and they were all kak!!!

    Its a poor statistic for such a big club.

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  • cyprus

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #32

    Troy,
    Simple, yet you are so right: When a player of us has the ball, 2-3 near options always available. When the opposition has the ball, chase them like crazy until they get rid of it. It’s not rocket science AP.
    (Oh, and don’t play THAT player again!)

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #33

    Hatem’s better than Messi @27
    you posted earlier “Didn’t Allardyce buy a machine that shook the shit our of you? Worked like a colonic but without the tubes, penetration and embarrassment.”

    This answers a lot of questions for me – it must be that Percy thinks the above machine is a coffee dispenser and uses it as such on a regular basis.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #34

    Id feel much happier seeing Pards being slated and blamed for our ills had half of the January signing been brought in earlier.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Comment #35

    Africa has had and still has more than it’s fair share of Fascist dictators.

    I’m sure he’ll admire their style and ruthless control of their populations.

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  • Troy Stavers

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Comment #36

    Keegan was the first to bring that style of football to the british game. He only practiced 5 a side football in training and it showed on the big pitch. We played in triangles, keeping the ball moving with one touch football.

    Barcas system is a development t on that and more sophisticated than Keegans, who was direct continuously. Barca play with more patience.

    I still believe Keegans style of training would enhance our clueless bunch who seem to pass the ball and stand still admiring their pass, then finding themselves back tracking as the player loses the ball as he has no options.

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  • dmac

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #37

    Anyone concerned that pards has come out and said Debuchy wont make thursday? Im not even in charge of the team but i know he is cup tied and cannot play…..

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  • bills-son

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #38

    Hatem @ 25

    Sissoko especially goes missing for long periods in every match.

    Even against Chelsea at home he was totally annonymous in the first half and for the first 20 minutes of the second until he outran Ashley Cole.

    He is a very good player, but he needs to contribute alot more to the team especially when the oppo have possession.

    As for Gouffran, he has been nowhere near the player he was before he got injured. A passenger like Sissoko for long periods.

    The new french players have to understand fast that skill in this division gets you nowhere without effort and tempo. That is what worries me about the run in games.

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  • brian kilclines pony tail

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #39

    our fitness coach from last season left for pastures new.

    I was told this from a member of the academy coaching set up who i have known all my life.

    since the season began all of the players have looked sluggish. but they have also looked stronger which would indicate they have been doing strengthening exercises.

    when you add weight to any athlete you increase the risk of an injury simply because his ligaments/joints etc are not designed to support the additional weight.

    I really think this is our problem at least as far as the repetitive hamstring injuries go.

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  • Hatem's better than Messi

    Apr 1, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    Comment #40

    Which of our players are actually better since they joined us? Perch and …

    Youngsters demoralised and blamed.
    Fringe players demoralised and blamed.

    Fans blamed, Officials blamed, Agents blamed, Europe blamed, Llambias blamed.

    Don’t you just love Pardew?

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