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These Six Players To Leave Newcastle This Summer

1:40 pm, Monday, April 1st, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 205 Comments

Ever since the five Frenchmen came in during the January transfer window Mike Williamson seems to be the forgotten man, and cannot even get a place on the bench.

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Mike Williamson – time is up at Newcastle?

Now Mike has played very well for Newcastle in the past, but has not had a good season and is now 4th choice at center-back – and while some players would be willing to accept that – we think Mike wants to play first team football, which is why he will leave Newcastle in the summer.

Mike’s been a good buy at just £1M from Portsmouth in January of 2009, and he helped us get promoted after Steven Taylor was injured in January of 2010, and Mike also helped us stabilize our position in the Premier League.

Mike has so far played 99 times for Newcastle but has yet to score his first goal.

Newcastle are being linked with a number of center-backs – including Mamadou Sakho of PSG, and it could be that we have both Mike and Fabricio Coloccini leave the club in the summer – and Newcastle would need to bring in two new center-backs.

And since Mike Williamson still has two and a half years left on his contract, we could demand a decent fee for the 29 year-old Stoke born player, and news today that Swansea are interested, as they build their squad for the Europa League next season – something Newcastle didn’t do last summer.

And Newcastle will continue to cut their wage bill – and that has already been helped this year by Xisco and Nile Ranger having had their contracts terminated by mutual consent.

Steve Harper will not have his contract renewed when it runs out on June 30th, and he will leave the club after a good 20 years service, and Danny Simpson, who had a poor game on Saturday, will also leave the club when his contract runs out at the end of June.

And we don’t think there’s much future for Gabby Obertan on Tyneside, and the Frenchman wants to play first team football, and there’s a good chance he will return to France this summer.

But Sylvain Marveaux, who at the beginning of the season had a lot to prove, has come through big time this season, and he now looks the player we thought we had signed almost two years ago – and Sylvain can be very useful for Newcastle in the future.

And finally we cannot see a future at the club for Dan Gosling, who signed on a four-year contract in the summer of 2010, and again we could get a decent fee for the former Everton and Plymouth player, if we sell him in the summer, which has to be a decent possibility.

The 23 year-old has played only 23 times with one goal in the last three seasons on Tyneside, and Newcastle will not want him to run down his contact, and be a free agent in fifteen months time.

So we think Williamson, Harper, Simpson, Obertan and Gosling could all leave, and when you add in captain Coloccini, who is almost certain to return to Argentina for family reasons, there’s six players who will be leaving Newcastle in the summer, and younger players will be brought into the squad in their place.

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205 responses so far ↓

  • 1 magpiemover // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    the cart horse , does not have a footballing brain ,

  • 2 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Transfer

    Agree on style of play.
    I want the SAF don’t sit back unless you have a two goal cushion. Hit them harder after the first goal as its better to keep them on the back foot mentaility.

    We do have real good ball players now but the pass and stand still style is pathetic and I do not believe it is the coach who tells them to do that – it is just a bad performance.

  • 3 Rotonda heights // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Troy

    absolutely spot on. We now have some barcelona style players but the joke of a manager is the polar opposite.

  • 4 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    yo-yo

    I am unsure what to believe to be honest. Sometimes I see pardew giving them a right shouting at on the touchline when they hoof it or when they aren’t moving.

    But at the same time, these players play a passing game in international matches, and are capable of it so not sure why they wouldn’t do it themselves.

    Even if it’s not pardews game plan he can’t get them to pass and move well so that also raises the question is he the right man to get the job done?

    I’m questioning him more and more after defending him for so long.

  • 5 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    My main problem with Pardew is that he is way too defensive. I want to watch a team that looks like it can score every time we go forward and go for the kill when playing well so we can thump a few more teams rather than trying ti defend a 1 goal lead for 30 minutes.

    What is also worrying is the sheer lack of chances we create with the talent we have. IMO we need to revert back to the 4-3-3 and get bodies around Cisse. Why a manager would play him as a target man or on the wing is beyond me. In future I would go for.

    ——Cabaye——Tiote——Sissoko——

    ——Marv——-Cisse——Gouffran——

  • 6 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Jesper

    First point percentage is up until the villa game away (the first game all the new players were involved). There is a significant difference, but i do appreciate there is a difference in amount of games so not a entirely reliable reflection.

    28% – 20 points from 69 possible

    50% – 12 points from 24 possible

  • 7 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    I just want a manager who plays to our strengths and goes out every game to give it our best to win for 90 mins.Not sit on a 1-0 for 30 mins against a poor Reading side.A manager who fires his players up and makes them believe they can beat any side.A manager who can make subs to make a difference for the good not make us worse.Someone who worries more of what we can do as a team not about our opponents.

  • 8 keeganjr // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    I hope Jonas says Farewell also.. Need more creativity

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    I’d like to see us offer a lot more attacking

    possible go for a line up like this

    debuchy—-saylor—mbiwa—-santon

    ——–sissok——-tiote——anita——-

    ———————cabaye——————

    ————-cisse———gouff————-

  • 10 Toon-Army // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    willo – will make a good championship defender, but not mobile enough to be anywhere near our 1st team.
    simpson- would want him as back up, who else will play no2 to debuchy? but every pro wants 1st team. Can see him leaving for a wigan etc team.
    Obertan- cost nothing, ok as back up, good in europe, but if we really are pushing for europe next season then we need better.
    Gosling- out, been here for a few years now and done absolutely nothing, was a hot prospect when younger but never produced, guthrie was better by far.
    Harper- unfortunatly now no3 choice and will stuggle to get no2, let alone top stop. would love him to join the coaching team, but think he wants to continue playing. would walk into most championship teams.

  • 11 darrenfletcher88 // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Who cares we should be thinking about the next two prem games, people don’t relise how big they are,forget transfer forget all that rubbish!! We need to concentrate on the here and now, do people think mbiwa sissoko cisse cabaye hatem will go down to the championship?? I don’t bloody think so!! We need to think about now!!!!! End off

  • 12 lesh // Apr 1, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    Troy, from previous thread @36, I agree with you wholeheartedly about adopting the Keegan philosophy of football.

    As you said, Keegan’s training, we are told, was based on 5 a side and keepy up with quick and accurate passing and positioning as the focus of attention.

    Now we have Pards concentrating on defence for most of the week;s training and Carver on attack for what remains of it.

    Perhaps that may go some way to explaining our lack of cavalier spirit in our games while standing off the opposition….. playing as though the aim is not to concede goals rather than scoring more than them!

    KK’s approach was much more focused on winning rather than not losing games and it’s noticeable that our recent French imports who showed so much fire in their initial games seem to have gone off the boil. Could that be a result of our training? Has our approach to the game knocked the football out of them?

    Maybe Pards needs to seriously adding some attack-minded coaching to the first team squad….. what’s Beardsly doing these days, what’s Ginola up to?

    Do we need a Sir Les type on the training staff, someone who knows the club and what winning really means?

  • 13 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Sage,

    I’d like to see something like that, everyone fit. Except with Haidara for Santon, and with Tiote playing behind Anita, Sissoko and Cabaye. Cisse up front and Ben Arfa given a shot at the trequarista role. Though maybe our tacticians think a trequarista is a key who serves you coffee.

  • 14 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    guy not key. Stoopid fingers.

  • 15 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    I think width is very important to create room for key players in the middle to pick a pass and get space but our wingers/wide players aren’t great.

    gouff nd hba do a decent job wide but both better in the middle I think.

    then obertan and guti are both pants going forward when used wide.

  • 16 Sack Llambias // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Let’s put this to bed. Last summer Pardew was concerned that he might lose some of his ‘purple’ players. Llambias told Pardew that this did not need to happen but the trade off was that there would be few ‘ purples’ coming in. Pardew’s reservations were stiffled by Llambias convincing Ashley that we had youngsters who would come through this season. This was done I would suggest because Llambias knew it would appeal to Ashley and seen by him as part of his plan coming together. Matters came to ahead when after the Brighton cup game Pardew had an almighty row with Llambias. Pardew in know uncertain terms that our time in the Premiership was at risk. This revolved around Llambias being also told that Tavernier, Abeid, Sammy, Ferguson and another just not being ready to feature regularly
    in the Premiership. A series of meetings followed between Llambias
    and Ashley and Ashley, Llambias and Pardew. I believe that following a subsequent meeting between Ashley and Pardew that it was decided that Ashley would personally become involved in securing transfer targets. In any event Ashley told Llambias to get on his bike.

  • 17 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    I’d like to see Gutierrez stay as a back up player.I think the lad has played that many different positions he doesn’t know what to do anymore bar fall over.I think it’s the Same with most players they are told to defend first and we lose all our attacking options

  • 18 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    The three in the middle can provide a surprising amount of width, especially on the break and with the insurance policy of a destroyer in behind them. If Tiote were to suddenly decide destroy something other than his reputation.

  • 19 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Would anyone else take Sinclair from City to solve our left wing problem ? . Doesn’t get a look in for them but is miles ahead of Gutierrez.

  • 20 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    big pappa

    yes. they paid 7mil and he hasn’t played a game so that value can only have reduced. I’d have him straight in.

  • 21 Toon-Army // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    here is a good topic of debate: CISSE?

    we have the creative midfield players now but still he is not producing his old form. he has had glimpses, but not consistently.

    personally think that a quick striker alongside him will do him wonders,

    would love PEA, or hernandez (i know it wont happen)

  • 22 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Chelski are 1-0 up with not much time to play.
    Manure are going for the equaliser.
    Do Chelski now hope to hold on or get forward in numbers to press Manure back. Do they look for the second goal on the counter and flood the midfield ?
    DISCUSS

    Not every game we have tried to hold a single goal lead has it been the wrong decision – the other side are also trying to exert pressure and equalise and you can’t always keep pressing – especially with CBs with not much pace.

  • 23 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    He needs some service and support the guy is up top alone most games.If Sissoko started his run on the edge of the opposition box instead of our own would help.

  • 24 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    There’s yer answer bring on Moses and Torres

  • 25 Transfer Sage // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    yoyo

    we now have a pacey defense though, debuchy, santon and mbiwa are all quick enough.

  • 26 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    A few players to look at in the summer depending on who leaves

    PEA
    Gaimero
    Sakho
    Sinclair
    Abdul Rahman
    Benteke

  • 27 davis_toons // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    Ba got his 1st trophy 1st medal. Not with Newcastle in 1 year time. Maybe another few years later..

    He is a quality player that can score lots of goal.. but played out of depth with AP using him.

    With him there will not be Torres. 1 man upfront.

  • 28 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    We have two attacking fullbacks and no real wingers so why not play them as wing backs and use a sweeper system

  • 29 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Gotta love Ba remembering his time at NUFC. Guy is a class act and you can tell he has fond memories :) . Gutted he went to Chelski but thats life.

  • 30 Sack Llambias // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    What an ignorant itv panel. It was just like Ba’s goal last season against Man U against the same startled Ferguson.

  • 31 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    TS

    Agree – we can at last try to play the high line with a bit more confidence. Once the team beds in I think this will be a more frequent tactic – hope so anyway

  • 32 davis_toons // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    BA again mention Newcastle when he score the goal.

    Which he says it was similar goal which he score against ManUtd when he played for Newcastle Utd.

  • 33 davis_toons // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Sack Llambias // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Yes, mention it!

  • 34 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    Has anyone else seen this injury http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2UtLAOfLNM the worst injury I’ve ever seen

  • 35 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    @ leazes

    Yea thats nasty m8 but I’ve seen worse. Type in Corey hill leg break into you tube. During an MMA fight, worst I have ever seen by far

  • 36 daztoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    The bench reaction says it all frightening injury

  • 37 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    @BPC

    this is the only one I could find this is sick aswell though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9avT0e5KPPU

    @daztoon

    Yeah the reaction is ridiculous

  • 38 chris_g // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    “I’ve now got the luxury of having four centre-halves, three of whom are really playing well. The other guy (Mike Williamson) isn’t really going to get a chance now because the other three are playing so well”
    Alan Pardew, Feb 2013

    Season to date:

    # 1 The Other Guy…Average Rating 7.34
    .
    #12 Coloccini………..Average Rating 6.74
    .
    #13 Steven Taylor….Average Rating 6.67
    .
    #19 Yanga-Mbiwa….Average Rating 6.56

    source: http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/23/

  • 39 Guj NUFC // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    We seem to be playing ‘Win your home games, lose away games’ :)

    If QPR go down I would look at Adel Taraabt or (hate to say it) Loic Remy as a Left Winger for the team if we do go 4-3-3. Gouffran could be the back up striker with bringing another top striker in to compete with Cisse. Anita-Cabaye-Sissoko in the middle. Hatem RW when he’s back.
    And I’m pro Pardew. We will be better next season.

  • 40 robin // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    The main problem with Pardew, is he is useless, clueless and a loser. He should have been sacked at Christmas, the fact we are in a relegation scrap, is a total disgrace. It beggars belief, that Ashley who is a born winner employs this loser to run his club.

  • 41 davis_toons // Apr 1, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    BA knee was mention..so whats wrong with his knee..?

    He can play. That it!.

    Stoke – must be gutted
    Newcastle – enjoy the ride while he was here and made some money out of it.
    Chelsea – Looks a Bargain and looking forward for more goals from him.

    Ba – Glad that he arrived at a Club that can pay his contract and played with quality players.

  • 42 wreker16 // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Personally, I think cabaye should be moved forwards like last season. Sissoko can still go on his runs from cdm but (in theory) cabaye is closer to the goal allowing him to use his range of passing to help score goals.

    Also is it just me or is our team (potentially) quite similar to Chelsea.
    Luiz = mapou – both quick but mapou is better
    Terry = Taylor – both aerially very good
    Azpilisomething= debuchy- both love getting forward

    Ramires= sissoko – both go on powerful runs and never stop running
    Mikel = tiote- both break up play and don’t do much going forward
    Mata = cabaye – both great passers mata probably quicker, cabs better defensively
    Hazard = hba – both go past people for fun
    Ba = cisse – both Senegalese?

    It’s a bit loose but the point stands… Why aren’t we as good as Chelsea!!!!!!!!!

  • 43 lesh // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Colo’s replacement?

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-transfer-news-celtics-centre-half-1795628?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  • 44 i Toon // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Jonas always get’s starts because of his defensive capability so start him a LB a push forward Santon who always look much better going forward anyways.
    Debuchy – Taylor – Yanga-Mbiwa – Jonás

    Cabaye – Tioté

    Gouffran – Sissoko – Santon

    Cisse

  • 45 Mister Tuff // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    tooninspain @ 78 previous thread
    transfer @81 previous thread

    Agreed getting £35 million for Andy Carroll was a stroke of genius ( even though a bit of deception was used -false bid from Spurs).
    But when Andy returns in the summer for £10 -£15 million -the original deal will not look so good.

  • 46 toon kk // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    There’s to many games we play as if we have no energy and are not quite fit , I sometimes wonder if they’ve been on the piss the night before!!!! We seem to think we can’t win a particular game so why bother. We badly need a top striker, just hope we survive or there will be quite a lot of players leaving. Come on Pards get the lads playing we seem to have the the least fight in the premier league sometimes.

  • 47 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    I toon…..you obviously didn’t see the game against Man City. Jonas played at left-back, and was carp. How Pardew can select him there in front of Anita when Anita played at lb for Ajax mystifies me.Unless, of course, someone comes on here and tells me that Ashley mad the decision.

  • 48 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Mister Tuff….no way will we pay £15m for Carroll. I doubt if we’ll even pay £10m. Even at £10m, that’s £25m profit, and we’d still have his best years to come.

  • 49 ToonDownSouth // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    tooninspain

    Anita playing there for Ajax is completely irrelevant, surely? Jonas played LB for Argentina – and also for us last season, during our 6 game winning streak.

    Anita was playing in CM, where he is a much better player, and where he shone for us earlier this season.

  • 50 davis_toons // Apr 1, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Terry = Taylor ?

    Decision making and composure? It was miles apart…
    A good defender can bring the ball out to counter and to safety without panicking his teammates.

    Knows when to slow the game down and when to explode holes and bring forward attacked.

  • 51 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    TDS. There’s a slight flaw in your argument. Anita was a success at lb for Ajax, and Jonas was abject for Argentina….no surprise really as it was the nutter Maradona who played him there. I don’t remember Jonas playing 6 games in a row for us at lb. Remember, our two lb’s were out injured against City, so we had to pick the best available. That, to me, was to play Anita at lb and Perch in Tiote’s role. I’ll reiterate, anybody who thinks Jonas is a lb must think Obertan is handsome.

  • 52 catchy in norway // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    pardew is obsessed with playing players out of there natural position,,,

    think , PDC at sunderland is a great bit of business by sunderland,
    he has heart and passion, and will keep them up and worry finish above us

    just got premoted to div 1, second best attack in the league, and best deffence,, he must be doing something right

    pardew makes me sick

  • 53 catchy in norway // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    http://www.statto.com/football/teams/swindon-town/2012-2013

  • 54 catchy in norway // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    please add shola, jonas , perch to the list of players to go

  • 55 Tommyy // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    I’m impressed with Perch, he’s far more composed and a better passer of the ball than Tiote. I think a midfield 3 of Cabaye, Sissoko and Perch could be handy and should keep the ball, something that we haven’t done at all under Pardew’s tenure.

  • 56 Rotonda heights // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    catchy

    I think PDC could be an inspired choice.

    Our only hope is Ashley will see we clearly need a better manager for the sake of the players we have.

    Pardew will only hold them back when we could be so good to watch now. We’ve got half the French national team.

  • 57 catchy in norway // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Tommyy

    i dissagree on perch like

    i think he panicks when he gets over half way, panicks at CB, but can tackle, and that is the only thing he can do,, his passing is poor, but hey , so is the rest of the teams, well atlest in a black and white shirt

  • 58 toonicle // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    With Villa looking like they are going down, we should have Benteke near to top of our to buy list. He would be fantastic with the midfield we have I think. And imagine Sissoko playing right behind someone like that, just great.

  • 59 catchy in norway // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Rotonda heights

    PDC could be good for us to.. the last thing they need is sunderland looking better than us, esp because of our player are a better quality,

    PDC will sort them out, and demand passion from them,

    ZOLA FOR US NOW lmao,, doing a great job,, imaging him with our quality players hmmmmmm

  • 60 Rotonda heights // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    mister tuff

    I’m depressed enough with pardew as it is. the return of carroll will complete the circle of misery and be the final nail for all our ball players.

  • 61 davis_toons // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Jonas is good and hard-working at getting back to defence but not a LB, he cant mark and result in the 1st goal as well.

    Maybe AP wanted him to overlap..

  • 62 Tommyy // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Catchy – Don’t know how you can say his passing is poor, I distinctly remember him playing a few neat forward passes against City when he came on and does that everytime I’ve seen him play in CDM. Not saying he’s the best, and he rarely attempts the long pass but he always looks assured to me when in the middle, he’s terrible on the flanks though for sure.

  • 63 wynsleap // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Shola, Obertan, Williamson, Gosling, Amalfitano, Jonas and Abeid are not good enough for the squad next year and should be peddled.. Add Danny Simpson and Colo to the outgoing players (unfortunately) and we need a big overhaul next summer window.
    Is Ashley up for it?
    Would also like to see Di Matteo in for Pardew while we’re at it.
    Finally – a great display of how to play the lone forward role from Demba today against Manure as well as a great goal. Next season we have to buy a top striker to go alongside Cisse as Papiss is not able to give that standard of performance on his own in our formation.
    We may as well just sell him if we keep on asking him to do something he’s not capable of.

  • 64 Rotonda heights // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Catchy

    There’s a whole host our there of better, younger, exciting, progressive ”footballing” managers who aren’t scared of their own shadow and stuck in the dark ages like Pardew is.

    As I say if Swansea have Laudrup and Southampton Pochettino then surely we can find someone to come here on merit.

    If only we had a chairman with Ashley’s business sense and Swansea’s chairman’s football knowledge. Swansea have had 4 ” footballing ” managers in Martinez, Sousa, Rodgers and Laudrup in the same period we have had dullards and deadbeats like Allardyce and Pardew

    We can still have stability by changing the manager provided who ever comes in is a constant upgrade and has the template for playing attractive, good to watch football

  • 65 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    The good thing about Perch is he knows his limitations, and he does the simple things well. In actual fact, on reflection, maybe we could have played a back 4 of Simpson, Perch, Taylor & Mbiwa against City, with Anita in the DM position. All conjecture now.

  • 66 Rotonda heights // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    wyns leap

    Cisse is not a target man as Pardew is trying to make him
    in a 4231.

    We don’t necessarily need a target man if we went back to our successful free flowing 433

  • 67 toonLYF // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Benteke would be wonderful for us, sadly i can only see him going to Spurs. It’s no secret that they are desperate for a striker, AVB loves a target man, and they have Vertonghen and Dembele already who will know Benteke through the Belgian national side. They are also based in London, and lets face it, they’re a better team than us. Emphasis on team, as players wise, i think we’re pretty close.

  • 68 toonLYF // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Ferguson rattled the post from a Cabaye-esque freekick earlier in this game. I can see him playing a part for us next season, for sure.

  • 69 bills-son // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Catchy – you say Perch is a poor passer?

    Absolute bollox.

    I’ll bet you that Perch has one of the highest completed pass rates of any Toon player this season.

  • 70 davis_toons // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    Perch is a simple but intelligent player. A very good backup player for our current state.

  • 71 89Norcal // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:44 PM

    I hope we pick up a tough, fiery English player in the midfield or up front this summer. I think there’s a point where having so many French players in the EPL can be a detriment.

  • 72 toonLYF // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    89Norcal…we have Perch? He’s a fiery English player in the midfield. Your comment about the French players is absolute nonsense. Nothing but a media myth.

  • 73 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    For those that don’t want Carroll back be careful what you wish for when Adam Campbell is unveiled as the first choice striker and that Shola is labelled a new signing after a hip replacement.

  • 74 Rotonda heights // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Band @ 13

    sadly you don’t know how close to the truth you are!!

  • 75 toonluvva // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    To add to Ed’s list of outgoing players, I expect to see Tiote and either HBA or Cabaye leave. We won’t want to see them go, but Pardews too negative for creative players like HBA & Cabaye IMO, and Tiote is just a liability.
    If Sun’Lun get relegated don’t be surprised if Harper gets the keepers job as Mignolet will be away asap.

  • 76 Rotonda heights // Apr 1, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    Jail

    We desperatley need some strikers. That’s for sure. But
    I want quick skilful, mobile and creative strikers, just not carroll

  • 77 toonLYF // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    WE NEED KEVIN GAMEIRO!!

  • 78 The next Mike Williamson // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Pardew isn’t singing from the same hymn sheet as Carr. Pardew desperately needs a big target man up front whereas Carr is bringing in players that would suit Arsenal. If we stick with Pardew we need to bring in Carrol or Bony for him. Augeybamang is no better than Cisse and will suffer if we bang long balls at him

  • 79 89Norcal // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    toonLYF

    One player. ok that’s that sorted.

    Moron.

  • 80 Rotonda heights // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    the next mike

    You’ve got it in one. Carr has scouted players that would be great for a footballing ”carpet football” manager as SBR used to say and try and play.

  • 81 Fridge // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    I would like to add a player to that list Of exodus, or a manager when i come to think Of it. Get me a manager with more creativity. That would help me thinks.

  • 82 Ginger // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Does anybody know much about Inman?

    Seems to be scoring for fun out on loan.

  • 83 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    @16. You summed that up better in one stab than I did in several. Whenever the financial guy sits down with the performance guy, the chairman always goes with the financial guy. Especially when he’s selling the wizard wheeze that you can get a boy to do a man’s job at a fraction of the cost. It’s endemic in all walks of life, with entirely predictable outcomes.

  • 84 toonLYF // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    89Norcal…

    wow, i offer a response to your point, which is kind of why we’re here; i was by no means ‘arsey’ or aggressive, and you come back and call me a moron.

    You having a bad day or…? Not usually like you.

  • 85 Marty-Toon // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    We have some quality players but some that just aren’t bothered to work hard.
    We need those that are first teamers to get their finger out and squash both Fulham and sunland and we can relax and play some football on the way to the end of the season.
    Our boys are gonna need to be at their best from now on in,bout time to work for yer money lads

  • 86 tooninspain // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    toonLYF….there’s one or two on here who need to give themselves a shake. There’s one in particular who’s brave as a lion behind his keyboard, but hides behind his mammy’s skirt.

  • 87 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    TS…I saw your post I just replied on last thread :-)

    …not sure I understood your point though!

  • 88 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:53 PM

    Bills,

    I agree with you about Perch. He can pass as well as most we have, though he’s never going to see some of the through balls Sissoko saw in his first couple of games. But can you not disagree with people without the blowhard polemics?

  • 89 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 5:55 PM

    If there is six players going out we need to bring in four first teamers two CBs a nippy striker and a striker that can play on the wing.

  • 90 bills-son // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    BandB,

    Blowhard polemics :)

    Aye, I shouldn’t give catchy the blowhards but he comes out with so much AB that my usual sanguine nature resorts to polemics.

  • 91 bills-son // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:05 PM

    Six purples, five violets and a foot up the arze from Ashley’s winklepickers is too good for JFA.

  • 92 Tsunki // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Here’s a disturbing theory for you. Accept that Mr Carr can spot footballing talent, and that Mike and Llambias can negotiate a good deal on them. Now the question is, can Pards and the backroom boys actually assemble them as a team, or are they being supplied a talented mismatched rabble of players who crucially have no ability to play with each other or to each others strengths. Anita – he is a fish out of water in this team, a very good player but made for a different team. Jonas – increasingly isolated by being put into a nowhere land of roving up and down a line or across midfield, mopping up other players inabilities in covering their own positions properly. Cabaye, even – having trouble being positioned forward or playing from deep, especially now Sissoko is in the team, who likes to run right through his areas and leave him essentially stranded at times. No natural wingers/crossers which is where I can use ED’s ‘FACT!’. Cisse – isolated forward who runs repeatedly offside in a desperate and vain hope a quick intelligent ball will be slotted through to him. HBA – a brilliant fish out of water who belongs in a team that has a much more fluid midfield that can accommodate his instant change of pace and position.

    I think the players we have bought are very good, but should not necessarily all belong in the same team. We only seem to hold our own when our back line is strong, when we havent got a solid first choice back line, we invite constant pressure because everything from the CB’s forward is not cohesive.

    I have been advocating us staying up purely because of lack of quality in other teams, but if we have any more injuries our team of session men may yet drag us into a place we dont want to be, and if PDC inspires the scum to win or draw at ours, then what I think, I don’t want to say. And if the coaching team cannot rectify this in summer, I am booking my seat on the Catchy Coach.

  • 93 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:06 PM

    Catchy has a scattergun approach. I don’t doubt his sincerity. There’s room for his outrage, surely?

  • 94 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    BandB,
    Your choice of vocabulary is second to none !

  • 95 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:09 PM

    Bills,
    Do you really think we’ll ever see six purples signed in one window ?

  • 96 Tsunki // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    You have just witnessed a negative broadcast from Tsunki Radio – the home of cheesed off supporters in the barcode stripes. :)

  • 97 Tsunki // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Oh, and….purple, schmurple. I really hate this colour thing now.

  • 98 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:11 PM

    That’s a great read Tsunki. You’ll be listed as a rationalist one of these days. Please don’t take this the wrong way. I wish I’d wrote that.

  • 99 toonLYF // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:13 PM

    ToonInSpain, there certainly is quite a few of those on here, however from past experience, and some very good discussions, i don’t see 89Norcal as one of those, so he must just be having an off day.

  • 100 toonicle // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    I’m all for selling Tiote, get a good 8 Mil for him i’d think. Anita and Perch can both play that position well, as can Guti in a pinch if he is around next year.

  • 101 bills-son // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Jail @ 95.

    He did five in January.

    Six in the summer?

    Even a divvent think c.

  • 102 toonLYF // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    Tsunki, i agree and disagree to an extent.

    I agree that our group of players are not yet a unit, and more just some individuals…but to be honest, i wouldn’t expect them to be, just yet. I think it would be a better idea to judge again one year from now.

    However i don’t agree with your theory that players are all brought in to fit a certain system usually, and that we have made a blunder in selecting the wrong types of players…which is what i think you were trying to say. I believe players are brought in firstly for their potential, and secondly, for certain attributes, not necessarily their completeness as a player. I think that is kind of what clubs have managers and coaching staff for, to take bits and pieces from each players game and stir them into a cauldron so to speak, in order to create a unit. Somewhat like a jigsaw.

    I think if all clubs bought players to be used solely into one system/style, managers/coaches wouldn’t really be needed.

  • 103 Tsunki // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:27 PM

    BandB @ 98 – I was hastily accused of being a ‘rational’ poster the other day but I dont think anyone fell for it ha ha. Especially not the real rational posters. :)

    I am normally framed among the more optimistic bunch but I am growing weary of leaning on the injury excuse as a reason for seeing better times approach just around the corner. The problem is, for me, it has become apparent that the only thing around the corner is a post office recycle bins and an allotment. Reality has to be addressed at some point, I just didnt want it to run up to me at this point in the season and hit me in the face with a ludicrous scenario of the our brave new team being hammered after early promise by the odious bogies of Fulham and WBA, the inevitable beating by Liverpool and Arsenal, and the humiliating rally of the unwashed as they survive and we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I am still 80% sure we are not of the worst 3, but you will have to check back on how much that 20% has expanded after the end of next week. Awful times to be a NUFC supporter, especially when you are traditionally one of the more cheery ones!

  • 104 check the toastie // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:29 PM

    You can dress it up any which way you want, but the facts remain, we have a squad even with the injuries we have had that should be way above our current position. The buck stops with Pardew and he should be defo sacked as soon as the season is over. the man in one month has extracted any directness or excitement out of Goofrans and Sissokos football.

    Sick of seeing our ‘forward’ players tackling on the edge of our area and covering full backs, no wonder we struggle to get up the pitch, when he has every single player trying stop us conceding first and foremost.

    The man is so out of his depth it is embarrassing, hope Mike sacks him in the summer and appoints someone who actually takes the game to the opposition.

  • 105 Sack Llambias // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    @93
    Being a toon fan doesn’t mean you have to buy into the needless misery, toil and self perpetuating suffering when their are so many others to do it for you. On an alternative to blowhard polemics your highly unlikely to get to the truth when the obstacle is differentiating between very few facts and countless opinions. Quite simply it is either the positive or negative route! But that’s just my opinion.

  • 106 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    I used, until recently, to get paid good money for writing this stuff. You may have heard my thoughts on Newcastle games several times, before MOTD ever aired. But, increasingly, we are being paid not to rock the boat. That’s why these forums are so democratic and vital. Why Bills and Catchy should be celebrated in equal measure. Why we should express what WE think is the truth, and not reduce it to the same, self-congratulatory clique.

  • 107 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    @ Check

    Amen. Even with our squad at its weakest this season the starting 11 (on paper) would still be better or on par with every team up until the top 6 and not 3 points above the drop zone.

  • 108 Sack Llambias // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:34 PM

    It’s been interesting picking up on Jail’s posts. Just about as close as he’s come to outrageous flirting! Completely got him to forget all about his too good for material.

  • 109 Krul to be Kind // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    TS @ 9

    That is my preferred line up, we don’t play particularly well with wingers I’d like to see 2 up top, a creative player behind them who works the flanks when the chance arises (Marv or HBA) and 3 solid midfielders in Tiote holding and sissoko and Cabaye dictating play, the back line picks itself IMO at the moment with the exception of Santon who is now under pressure to sort out his defensive frailities

  • 110 Tsunki // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Toonlyf @ 102 – I see what you re saying but I think I need to clarify what I mean (oh no, don’t Tsunki, don’t…..)

    I think there is a fair element of buying players to fit a ‘system’ or style but its not hard and fast as you say, especially if the players are talented enough, for example, and many will hate me saying this, Suarez, awful man that he is, would fit in almost any team such is his versatility.

    But there is that unspoken ‘understanding’ players can develop whereby they get used to their team mates style of play, the psaces they like to run into, instinctively where they think they are going to be when they receive the ball so they just know that when they backheel, step straight over a through-ball or flick it straight up the line without even looking. As you say, that may develop hopefully in the close season, but I am definitely not seeing it at the moment. The worst thing is, it doesn’t even show glimmers of forming.

  • 111 Sack Llambias // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:38 PM

    Tsunki
    We had a few posters taking exception to not being referred to as a rational poster I’ll have you know.

  • 112 davis_toons // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:40 PM

    AP got to get them to play as a Team. Every week an then individual will come up with a goal or two.

    But what we wanted was consistency of holding up play and assist to one another to score more goals as a unit.

    LIKE HOW the TOP FOUR Play Football.

    Not just pass it to HBA let him run the whole defence every week. (He will become a target to be destroy of every team, its too dangerous for him)

    GIggs was lucky to be at ManUtd, Or he could become a Target for any team as well.

  • 113 Tsunki // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Sack LLambias – ha it was you, now I remember! Yes that is dangerous territory, sir, its like a thank you speech and forgetting to mention the missus. Bad craic. :) Especially when you DO mention your flakey secretary……..

  • 114 Sack Llambias // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:48 PM

    Tsunki
    One poster said he was glad he wasn’t included because he likened it to being on the Jack the Ripper hit list. Personally I thought he protested too much. Ho!

  • 115 toon kk // Apr 1, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    We need a good shake and put more effort in, we would struggle in the championship. I know injuries hasn’t helped along with bad tactics. The table doesn’t lie.

  • 116 89Norcal // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:02 PM

    toonLYF

    maybe I took it wrong, but Perch is a solid defender and utility man, not the spark we could use in midfield or on the wing.

    Basically someone who can apply pressure and has pace and a penchant for counter attacking play and can put in the decisive ball. Either that or Sissoko improves his passing because he’s very nearly that player. Gouffran has ability there but it’s not his primary role in offense.

    I had a list of such players that I had somewhere.

  • 117 89Norcal // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:04 PM

    A good example would be Valbuena, which I realize doesn’t help my argument for English players, but someone like Nolan who gets forward and can find the right pass, with just more pace than Kevin had.

  • 118 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:06 PM

    @ Norcal

    If only :) . Valbuena & Cabaye would be unreal

  • 119 Assam Toon // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Pardew gets a talented bunch of flair players who are great going forward and then plays them negative. i wonder what a good manager could have churned out of cisse, goofy, sissoko, arfa and cabaye. he is not at that level and he will never be. with this team if we concede 4 we might as well aim to score three or four and hold our heads high.

  • 120 Rake // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    My word some of you are dramatic we’re 3 points off Fulham in tenth. The last game was infuriatingly bad, Wigan was an injustice, we are 3 points above Wigan in 17th and Villa in 18th blahahaa.
    I keep reading people talking about injuries and what not, but quite frankly we are we’re we are. We have a team capable of really pushing for that top 10 spot. Everyone in the bottom 10 is in a fight for survival it’s that simple and I would be suprised if we end up down in the bottom three but it is possible. I’ll leave you guys to continue now and hope for a win agianst Benfica not because it’s likely because why else support a team? peaace

  • 121 p // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Said this yesterday, we have some very good players. Reasonably strong in every position now when there are no injuries. We also have some genuine outstanding talent in Cabay and Ben Arfa to name the obvious ones. Cisse is also an outstanding talent on his day. This has won us games.

    The issue with Newcastle is that the sum is no more than an aggregation of the parts.

    Goods teams are collectively better than the individual components.

    You have to put that on the manager and coaching staff’s door step.

  • 122 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    BandB

    Catchy doesn’t have a scattergun approach. His high velocity rifle has one target only

  • 123 p // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Rake – I agree, some drama queens on here as normal after a loss. Not sure many teams could have contended with Man City on Saturday.

    However, I think we will get a hiding of Benfica unfortunately.

  • 124 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    It’s low velocity. and he’ll miss. QED.

  • 125 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    Does anyone think that any of our players have improved under Pardew???

    The younger one’s like Krul and Santon will get better as their class slowly comes through, but for me the rest of our squad have either come to a stand still or have gone alarmingly backwards

  • 126 89Norcal // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:21 PM

    BPC, definitely. Another that comes to mind in terms of attitude is Le Fondre; always attacks and has no fear.

    As far as Pardew, I have a feeling he’ll stay unless we can find an exceptional replacement, and he will have a few months with a clean slate to really show what he can do.

    To his credit we have been very fluent at times, with Cisse’s poor form being the biggest factor, but he has also had us playing poorly at times but all managers have done it.

    City have our number anyways, I had very low expectations for that game.

  • 127 toonbrother // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:22 PM

    its alright folks . Di canio categorically stating he is a fascist was just a big misunderstanding. He’s no fascist that paolo he even has a few black friends like Chris Powell. Great appointment sunderland. Two thumbs up :-D

  • 128 Rake // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    P – I don’t really know much about Benfica over than they are top of their league… but you have to say even a 2-0 3-1 scoreline then we still have an opportunity of pulling of something special at home. I read this blog less and less and comment sporadically due to the negativity on here. Seems a place for people to vent their anger rather than discuss footy.

  • 129 toonbrother // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    A year from now we’ll be saying the same thing about sissoko, mym, saylor, anita, santon and tiote. Pardumb has a knack for making great players look average and good players look like garbage.

  • 130 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    Which means, “which needs to be proven.” So it’s a theory, not a statement, Catchy. Where’s that bugger Ibiza?

  • 131 p // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    anyone think QPR can get a result today?

    I reckon they might get 3 points but Jol is an old fox

  • 132 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    JB

    Perch for one.
    He has got a slagging on this thread but he is a good utility player and has MoM a few times this season. IMO he is almost a purple and an asset to the squad.

    As they say class is permanent, form is temporary – we sure have seen one rollercoaster dip in form this season – independent of the injury situation.

    There’s a deep steep hollow on the Military road just before Once Brewed. You risk grounding if you don’t slow down – that’s how bad a dip in form we’ve had.

  • 133 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    BandB

    He’s missed so far – but it’s more of a blunderbuss I suppose.

    And there’s a good few on here lamenting the missed opportunity of us not getting PDC.

  • 134 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    yo-yo

    Perch would be the only player out of our entire squad that i would say has improved which given the talent we do have is terrifying to know.

    Yes we need continuity at our club but continuity with the wrong man is like a slow painful death

  • 135 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:33 PM

    I miss his pericombobulations.

  • 136 robin // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    Its good to see that common sense has prevailed, concerning Pardew, the guy has had a good run in the job and is not up to the task. The writing has been on the wall since the beginning of the this season. When Pardew started getting his excuses in early, about second season syndrome, that old chestnut all the iffy managers churn out, when the brown stuff is about to hit the fan. Pardew, is and never was the right choice to manage a club the size of NUFC, while we all hope and pray he breaks the habit of a lifetime and lifts the Europa cup. Logic and Pardews previous record may prove to be a dream to far.

  • 137 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:34 PM

    BandB

    “Quod erat demonstratum” means just been proven

    or ‘quite easily done’ – which might be Catchy’s Pardew assassination attempts

  • 138 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:35 PM

    The funny thing about PDC is that he can’t officially be called the manager and has to be named “Head coach” because he does not have the correct badges for Premier League Management :) .

    If the guy thinks he can treat PL players the way he did at Swindon he will have more friends than enemies in the dressing room that’s for sure. Although I wouldn’t mind seeing him pull James Mclean of the pitch by the scruff of his neck like the rat he is :)

  • 139 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    JB

    If we got 5th next season would you change your mind ?
    That’s be two seasons top 6 and a carcrash in between.

    IF Pards had the same starting continuity as last season, didn’t lose our top striker and the new guys gel as a unit and we have fewer key injuries – say Benny playing 20 games plus.. do you think we can do it again ?

  • 140 BandB // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:41 PM

    Sort the cod-Latin out of that, Yo-Yo.

  • 141 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    yo-yo

    What worries me the most with Pardew is that he is blind to the obvious or simply to bloody stubborn to admit he’s wrong and change things.

    He’s an average manager with a couple of good season under his belt but I think we could achieve far more with a better man at the helm.

    The question is will Ashley make the change or keep his faith in Pardew

  • 142 Fridge // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:48 PM

    Well its quite interesting listening to lliambas about improving and increasing Newcastle United as a global brand. That will never happen with the poor football we are playing… Remember when we were everybodys favourite second team. We won nothing but we played fantastic football and got recognision for it.

  • 143 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    I would love to see what Laudrupp or Rodgers could get out of our team

  • 144 boater // Apr 1, 2013 at 7:53 PM

    I’m edging closer to nailing my colours to the Pardew-to-go mast. Defeat without a fight most weeks is now a sorry way of life under him, and even with more fancy summer reinforcements, it’s so embedded that I can’t see that changing while he’s in charge.

    Supporters have given individual players grief all season long. It’s the typical behaviour of the over-emotional, angry mob – no surprises there, but the truth is no player has been exceptional – and the majority way below par. There are systemic problems with the tactical and psychological approach of the team now that Ba is no longer here to bale us out each week.

  • 145 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    boater

    I think that Ashley is edging closer to nailing his colour’s to the Pardew-to-go mast as well

  • 146 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    Boater,
    I don’t think any manager bar Fergie is totally safe even one with seven years left on a contract, we need to ensure Premier league safety then bring in reinforcements in the summer give Pardew six or seven games and if it’s looking like we’re going the same way as this season then it would be time to act.

  • 147 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    JB

    I think we’ve got him for one more season hence my question.
    I do worry that he is a very stubborn bloke too, but he does have pragmatic tendencies as well – let’s hope his desire to win and analytic skills do give us that tweak we need (imo it is a tweak and not a wholesale change in direction)

  • 148 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    @ JFA

    Sacking a manager 6 games into the season ? , not sure about that like as it could do more harm than good. I would rather someone was brought in this summer, then they could instil their footballing philosophy in the pre season.

  • 149 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    boater

    I’m still just in the one more chance camp at present – and Mashley has said he wants stability and they work as a team at that level so he ain’t going to give him the push yet awhile.

    If we had the point we deserved against Wigan and that Swansea miserable chance had not given them the three points we would be in 11th with 35pts.
    The margin between success and failure is not always in your own hands – and that’s not just down to bad management

  • 150 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Here is a question. If we lost to both Fulham & Sunderland (unlikely) does anyone think Pardew will get the sack ?

  • 151 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:21 PM

    BPC,
    See yo-yo @ 149

  • 152 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    BPC,
    If he did, what inspirational ex Mag or international icon to you think could be brought in to replace him.

  • 153 PAULNUFC // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Omg how much did QPR pay for samba give 2 goals away

  • 154 TorqToon // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    QPR – 2-0 down. Samba at fault for both goals and Remy not had a touch!!! Awesome!

  • 155 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM

    The fact that nobody else was interviewed for the job tells me nobody else was getting the job, there has obviously been a reason that Pards was singled out for the job, I don’t really believe the gambling debt rumours so the reason was more like he buys into Ashleys “vision” for the club and doesn’t mind being publicly hung out to dry.

  • 156 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    yo-yo

    His stubbornness has cost us all season and continues to cost us.
    We can’t look back at last seasons finishing position and use that as the yard stick on how we view him now.
    He changed a winning formation to accommodate Ba in a central role when every man and his dog knew that if enough money was offered he’d be off without a backwards glance.
    He’s played striker’s on the wing while leaving wingers on the bench and is now playing Cabaye in a deep laying role where he becomes inefective.

    For me good managers get the best out of their players irrespective of injuries and improve their players, neither of which Pardew has done.

    come the summer we need to make the change as I no longer have the faith in him to take us forward next season

  • 157 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    @ JFA

    God knows m8. I’m not great on potential managers. Then again Laudrupp came out of nowhere (to me) and has done well with Swansea so maybe a more obscure man may be the way to go rather than the same British based candidates that seem to be banded around every time someone gets the chop.

    However I would say we should not sack Pardew unless someone is lined up to come in straight away. We don’t want to do what Wolves did last year. That was ridiculous :)

  • 158 Fridge // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    I dont follow the championship but Is there a manager in the championship who could fit the bill? Another bargain for ashley? A manager who could take us forward?

  • 159 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    JB

    As I said these are tweaks – not that I agree 100% with your analysis. Not going into all the details but the Ba situation was a very difficult call and tbh I reckon he hoped they would click as a unit – and kept trying it as we had few other options at the time – as we had weaknesses elsewhere the 4-3-3 wasn’t always the best option so I can see both sides of that argument.

    Anyway more positively on tweaking TS put a real interesting 4-3-1-2 lineup @9 that I’d give a good try – with Cabs as playmaker as you suggest – mind you I do feel we need more striking options come summer and maybe a left sided LW so we can play a straight 4-3-3 too – though I don’t know why Benny might not relish the LW role

  • 160 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    Fridge

    for me there’s only Lee Clarke, Poyet or Zola, but I’d prefer to see Blanc or Rudi Garcia come here

  • 161 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:43 PM

    On alternative managers I suspect Gus Poyet will prove to be a successful EPL manager, but the lads looking enviously at the mackems are dreaming

  • 162 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    yo-yo

    Thats what I love about this blog, the differing opinions that we all have on the same subject. the opinions always vary but we all crave the same thing :D

  • 163 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    JB

    Another Grand Slam for Wales in 2014 :)

  • 164 darrenfletcher88 // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    Dreading playing Fulham, tell me one player in are team that can do what berbatov can do?? Benny yes when fit, are forward set up is simply awful!!

  • 165 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    JB
    Completely disagree that Cabs in a deep lying role makes him ineffective it’s the best place for him imo just needs to comtrol games better and show for the ball more often

    On a different topic Fulham vs QPR scouting is ongoing but at half time I’d like to report Fulham have a very strong back 7 wingers are nothing to shout about Ruiz is out more than he’s in the game but Berb is still great

    QPR are making them look good by being a team of individuals without a defence

  • 166 Fridge // Apr 1, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    I dont know how much Of an marquee manager we could attract under the current regime we have. Thinking Of how much influence and power in decision making the manager we will have. Whats your opinion on This JB?

  • 167 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    WWYCD

    Mate for me have little to no creativity without HBA and Cabaye playing so deep. He created more goals than anyone else in France during his last season with Lille.
    We need his class and vision further up the pitch as we are seriously struggling to create for Cisse

  • 168 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Yo

    I’d play Cabs in front of Anita. He has pretty good vision too. The two of them working an understanding could be a great double playmaker act. Can take it in turns to play the deeper role but I think Anita plays deeper more naturally.

  • 169 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    Fridge

    I think the way the club is being run has change a great deal since Pardew’s appointment. If you look at our stadium, fan base and squad there would be no shortage of taker for the role.
    Everything comes down to Ashley’s ambition

  • 170 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:06 PM

    JB
    He can’t keep possession when put under pressure and his pace isn’t great his best passes come from his vision and that’s better when allowed time on the ball, he needs to put more effort in for me and have players giving him more options

    yo-yo
    Not keen on Anita personally don’t see him as a play maker or a starter tbh rather have Tiote breaking up and Cabs taking over when the balls won

  • 171 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Yo

    Part of the problem is that we rely too heavily on Cabs. If he disappears there’s no creativity. Anita can deliver that. He has a good track record but hasn’t been able to settle into a role. Those two with Benny No10 is a good option.

  • 172 nick_9 // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    I remember Anita doing real well around the box but he certainly
    Isn’t up to the physical standards to be a defensive midfielder in this league just like cisse isn’t suitable to be a lone striker.

    QPR go down, Remy leaves on a free would you sign him? Just watching the Fulham QPR game and thinking about our woeful striking options.

  • 173 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:14 PM

    yo-yo
    I don’t think Anita is half the player Cabs is tbh he’s had chances to make a mark but he’s too defensive and easily knocked off the ball. If am honest I don’t see why we spent so much on him as far as am concerned he’s a back up player

  • 174 Fridge // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    JB

    You may be right and i hope you are. You dont know anything about this second commercial deal we supposedly have made? I am thonking it is the advertisement on the seats in the dugout, because ashley cant front his Sports Direct on them in Europa games because Of europa league commercial control

  • 175 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM

    WWYCD

    The issues that Cabaye has is that everything in front of him is either far too static or just plain wasteful, also the fact that he has an average Tiote next to him which hardly help’s matters, but I still prefer to see him play higher up the pitch.

  • 176 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    Yo

    He’s one of Carr’s. He really hasn’t had a chance to establish a consistent role. Agree he’s not as good as Cabs but he’s not just an expensive utility player either. Ajax aren’t a low or mid ranking team.
    He does need to be balanced out by the ‘hardman’ behind him but would fit well with a sweeper.

  • 177 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    JB
    I agree everything in front of him does very little to aid him but moving him up the pitch just takes away our building from the back and removes his ability to control the centre

    I’d also argue when Tiote has played alongside a fit Cabaye he’s been very solid and looked back to near his best

  • 178 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    Anita has shown some flashes this season but overall I think he’s found the league tough to get to grips with. Hopefully next season will see him step up but finding his best place in the starting 11 is going to be a tough one

  • 179 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:25 PM

    The wild card here is Benny – he gives more options for the killer pass to the midfield

  • 180 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    yo-yo
    U must of seen more of him than me mate I’ve just seen him in our colours not Ajaxs (though I’d argue in their league they are THE big fish). I think he had a chance when Cabs was out and he looked ok but nothing special hes played Europa as well and never looked all that great for me. I’ve been more impressed with Bigi than I have been with Anita

  • 181 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    JB

    You’ve hit the nail on the head – the key word is static. No ball playing pass maker can function effectively without movement.

  • 182 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    WWYCD

    Tiote has shown glimpses of his former self of late I agree, but for the most part he’s been a yellow card liability this season.
    As for building from the back surely thats what Sissoko should be doing more of?
    But if Cabaye did actually have the movement and options infront of him things may be different

  • 183 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    Bennys not around and most likely wont be for quite some time plus when he does get physically fit he will have to shed all his his holiday weight before he will be starting game…I won’t be pinning our survival on him

  • 184 JackButler // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:32 PM

    We’ve seen HBA brought too early twice and have lost him as a result, it would be just like us to bring him back in again this season and out him out of pre season

  • 185 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    JB
    I don’t mind Tiote getting yellows I have accepted that’s what he does stop him getting them is to stop him giving 100%
    On Sissoko he’s learning the no 10 role atm so I wouldn’t expect him coming all the way back to the defence too often had to keep his energy levels to where he can make the biggest impact in attack Gouffran should come looking for the ball more as should Marv and Jonas

  • 186 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:35 PM

    Yo

    I’ve not seen that much of him, but checked him out last summer before we got him.. He’s played in short pass and move style most of his career. But a lot of our new players have, Against Brighton he was always looking to release the forwards, did some neat chipped passes, but they did nothing. If we played a pass and move style instead of pass and stand still he and Cabs would both have loads more options – it’s the whole side really needs drilling imo. We can do it but it’s just so inconsistent.

  • 187 LeToonARMY // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    ___Eliote____
    Perch__Taylor__Yanga__Santon
    _Cabaye___Tiote__Gutirez_
    Sissoko___Cisse___Marveux
    Subs:-
    Krul
    Anita
    Simpson
    Campbell
    Bigi

    Mu team for fulham Game

    ___Krul____
    ______Perch__Taylor__Yanga__Santon___
    _______Cabaye______Tiote_____
    ___Gouffan_Sissoko_Marveux__
    _________Cisse__________

    Subs:-
    Eliote
    Anita
    Guttirez
    Haidra
    Shola

  • 188 Novocastrian66 // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Sidwell out for Sunday. Cannot stand the bloke.

  • 189 JAMSHA // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    These refs are cu*t…. was not a red card

  • 190 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    yo-yo
    Fair one I am accepting Cabs faults because of poor movement around him but I know am not giving Anita the same acceptance which is unfair, I hope to see more and better from Anita next season

    I stand by what I said about Bigi though I have not been unimpressed with him at any point in his career (saw a few Coventry games as well and he was cracking)

    Sidwell red carded for our game good news

  • 191 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    YO

    Yes great hopes for Bigi – the cream of our younger players. I see him as world class in a few years time and a sound head on his shoulders. Hope he avoids injuries during his formative years – unlike Gosling as it has done for him I reckon

  • 192 Jail for Ashley // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Damian Duff straight red wouldn’t go amiss either while he was putting Remy out for the next six games.

  • 193 NUFCarter // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Sidwell seems to play quite good against us too. Emmanuelson came off injured but that didn’t look bad at all
    Plus he’s been poor today. Reckon frimpong will replace sidwell on Sunday

  • 194 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    yo-yo
    I hope for world class mate he seems well grounded and very hard working if, as u say, he avoids injuries he could be a huge player for us. I still have hope for Sammy and little Shane as well not the same level as Bigi but solid players some day I hope

  • 195 Novocastrian66 // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    If Sunderland waited 24 hours they could have got Warnock in as manager. Now there’s a match made in heaven.

  • 196 yo-yo // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM

    Reckon Shane will come good but worry Sammi not grounded and enough of a grafter. Seems to want it to come to him not him take his chances

  • 197 WWYCD // Apr 1, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    That Greek Fulham have is a right soft little tart

  • 198 marcotoon // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:01 PM

    The other five can go, especially Williamson as he is mince but I hope Colo stays. Obertain is an enigma because Fergie paid the money for him and Fergie doesn’t pay money for anyone, everytime he gets the ball he looks as if he doesn’t know what to do and it takes him a long time to do anything and in defence he is non existant, a player with so much potential yet in reality is pretty average.

  • 199 toonLYF // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    Krul

    M’bwia Taylor Perch Santon

    Tiote Cabaye

    Sissoko Marveaux

    Shola Cisse

    I would like to see this if possible.

    a centre back partnership which can communicate fluently is vital in this type of game. Where we will most likely set up to defend and have to absorb pressure. This is a very strong set up with pace, strength, height and plently of ability.

  • 200 BDin9 // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:20 PM

    I like Warnock but hate Leeds. Problem solved.Still think we are a better side with Tiote in the middle

  • 201 JTOONJ // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    we have to beat fulham for a good basis against the scum!!!!!!!

  • 202 HBA Blood Twister // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    Any chance someone can mock up “Arbeit Mach Frei” above the the Stadium of Light. I’m useless on photoshop. Ha!

  • 203 BDin9 // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    HBA time to log off I think. That is not an lol

  • 204 geordie157 // Apr 1, 2013 at 10:59 PM

    My summer clear out would be, Williamson, Obertan, Tiote and Gosling, Simpson, Harper and Coloccini.

    Plus Abeid and Richardson.

    Give new 1yr deals to Inman, Dummett and Newton, loan them to championship sides if possible.

    Bring in Aubameyang,
    Carroll or Benteke,
    Alderwiereld,
    Capoue or Nainggolan and
    Ince or Wijnaldum.

  • 205 manxpie // Apr 1, 2013 at 11:32 PM

    to all the pardew slaters i.e rotunda, catchy n jack butler how long are you gonna give the next manager with his own team??
    remember pardew got us 5th last season ( and won double manager of the year!) and should have replaced the players who we all said weren’t good enough in the summer but guess wat the owner n lamearse thought we’d be alright!
    not pardews fault! and i agree with JFA the hangover of that summer business or lack off ruined the season before it started!
    it must have been demoralizing after workin so hard all season for the players and manager and then add the injuries it was a recipe for a bad season!
    but since pardews got the players we should have got in the summer we’ve improved!
    imagine the kind of team ethic n understanding we’d have at this poin’t if they’d came in the summer?
    how many new defenses have we put out this season?
    i’d probably guarentee no other team have had to change there back 5 as much as us!
    so you pardew haters tell me another viable manager that would cope with a season like ours!!?
    also on the demoralizing bit the players who won the right to play in europe hardly got a game for most of the group stage due to our very undersized squad n injuries again not pardews fault!!




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