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It’s An Uphill Battle For Newcastle Now

11:33 pm, Thursday, April 4th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 127 Comments

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew was pleased with the performance of his team tonight in Lisbon, when we were beaten 3-1 by Benfica, but he wasn’t too pleased with the actual result.

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Rodrigo celebrates after scoring Benfica’s first goal
Newcastle got off to a great start in this game when Papiss Cisse scored a great breakaway goal after 12 minutes, after good work from Danny Simpson and Moussa Sissoko.

But after 25 minutes Rodrigo equalized, and then two defensive errors in the second half allowed the home side to run out 3-1 winners.

This is what Pardew told ITV Sport after the game.

“We’ve done so much right tonight and got ourselves into a great position with Papiss’ goal,” “The away goal could come into it if we get the first goal at St James’ Park because if we can get that first goal, we are only going to need one more.”

“In terms of the performance and the players, I can’t fault them. We came here to have a go at them and we did that. They caused some problems to us just before half-time for ten to 15 minutes, but other than that we were in control of the game.”

“If it was 2-1, you would think we would have a good chance at home, but it is an uphill chance for us now. We can be proud of the performance, but disappointed with the result. “You have to say they are a quality side,”

“We have to give them respect and on the break they are going to be dangerous at St James’, but we showed signs tonight that if we are ambitious and we can hurt them.”

Newcastle played well tonight with Tim Krul and Papiss Cisse outstanding, but it’s now going to be a tough uphill battle next Thursday night at St. James’ Park,  if we are to get through to the final four of the Europa League.

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Newcastle fans in Lisbon Thursday night

Before that game we have to ensure we pick up 3 points against Fulham at home on Sunday.

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127 responses so far ↓

  • 1 yo-yo // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:37 PM

    Yes you can fault them for two schoolboy errors and I hope you do in private, whatever gloss you put on in public

  • 2 catchy in norway // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    for a team that trains with defending 4 days a week , week look very poor,

    you can tell we dont train attacking very much, there is only 1 or 2 players in any attack

    but defending,,, we have normally 9 back on our 18 yard line

    but hay hoe,, only 7 more years to go,, thats the bright side tonight,, almost 1 year gone

  • 3 leeb1982 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    utter b0ll0cks pardew. he says other than 10-15 mins in first half we controlled game. take those minutes out of game n look at stats n no we didnt controll game at all. we havent controlled a game at all this season we have always looked vunerable

  • 4 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    Funny how all the cheery folk only turn up for a chat after a loss!

  • 5 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    Tads

    From my perspective I am not talking about Santon on the basis of tonight, he has annoyed me all season, tonight I thought (back pass aside) he did OK. On tonight’s showing I am as annoyed with Taylor so you’re right.

  • 6 yo-yo // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:39 PM

    Hi Catchy,

    We must have lost for you to be on here. WUM

  • 7 northernirishtoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:42 PM

    Thought the tactics were good all the same. Good to see us actually press a team in their own half for a change

    Pardew said -

    “They are a quality side and we have to give them respect, but we showed tonight that, if we are ambitious, we can hurt a team.

    Shame he isn’t ambitious more often!

    That’s the most frustrating thing

  • 8 yo-yo // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    Guys – please separate what Pardew says for PR and public consumption and what he really thinks – it’s an instant reaction for the cameras with another leg to come – he said we ‘gifted them two goals’ – that’s code for unacceptable defensive errors in my book.

  • 9 Ben_BKK // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    slbfan

    Good to know we have fans over there, not all too surprising that it’s more than Chelsea and City as they’ve only really become ‘big’ clubs in the last few years.

    I agree that a lot of your players weren’t that good tonight. I expected more from Cardozo, Ola John was hardly in the game and Gomes didn’t really do much either, but then he is very young. I was surprised Aimar didn’t start. Rodrigo impressed me though, and Gaitan looked good in patches although I also expected more from him.

    I thought Benfica were quite far ahead in the league, you don’t need to go out of Europe in order to win do you?

    I’ve always liked Benfica as a team so it was a shame we got drawn together in this tie! It seems like we’d both be happy for Newcastle to win 2-0 in the 2nd leg though haha ;)

  • 10 leeb1982 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    yoyo why defend them. they are growin men n they f@cked up n should be big enough n man enough to take the sh1t.

  • 11 Mark the Mag // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    Benfica aren’t anything special, it all depends on the result against Fulham imo. If we win that then we can give everything in the second leg, it will be a bigger game than the scum imo if we beat Fulham we will be safe. Remember the year we went down when Bassong got sent off, if we can do them and duff, the horrible little *****, then we can go for euro glory, its what we deserve

  • 12 yo-yo // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    NIT

    Yes – we almost did it against Manure at OT, knocked in 3 at Gooners – so we can play aggressive pressing game – reckon we don’t have the concentration to keep it up which means lack of match conditioning IMO.

  • 13 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:48 PM

    Dark side
    I thought santoon actually had a decent game barring the back pass, agree that he’s been inconsistent this season but he’s till young and if you go down the route of buying a developing young players you need patience not just flog em because they have been inconsistent in an unsettled back 4 this season (not suggesting you want the lad sold just seems to be the usual knee jerk reaction from some)
    Remember last season in a settled back 4? One of our most consistent players
    But tayls for me tonight, well tbh furious with him like and think the mob blaming him for the loss are wide of the mark

  • 14 manxpie // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    transfer i thought santon played much better as a defender 2nite he made alot of good cut outs especially in the 1st half !
    but he obviously made a horror pass back which we obviously didn’t need! to be honest tho he didn’t in my oppinion look match fit but we didn’t have much choice!
    i seriously think we’ve got a great chance in the next leg because we could have scored 4 there and i hope cisse looks as lively at fulham and i also hope marv gets a game even if its just the 1st half because he does seem to fade but has unbelievable moments of skill that creates something!
    at the end of the day we’ve been done by 2 stupid errors (and i blame sissko for duckin out!) n santoon and the wrong spin on the ball on both occasions which is unbelievably unlucky!
    cisse tonight for me was the player who looked ultra hungry and i hope he brings that home on sunday n puts fulham to the sword!

  • 15 leeb1982 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:49 PM

    yoyo no point in pressing n scoring 3 if ur conceding more the other end

  • 16 manxpie // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    tads for me it was sisskos fault why did he duck like a girl it was his ball all day!!
    staylors reaction was totally natural and unfortunatly the official on the goal line actually seen it (is that the 1st time them officials have actually done something!)
    we were unlucky 2 nite we are owed some karma in the second leg and i think we’ll do it can’t wait now!

  • 17 catchy in norway // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    yo-yo

    say what you like,, i really dont care,,

    until ppl like you wake up and see us for what we are, ( a joke) things will never change

    we have poor game after poor game, and then we win 1, you all go see its getting better,, its not, from the day he took over , our game play has gome backwards,

    last season was a fluke, we played shit for the most part, but got results, poor results normally follow poor play

    they had 20 shots to our 7

    they had 11 on target , we had 4

    they had 12 corners we had none, and even if we had 1, would we have scored, noooooooooo

    WAKE UP PPL

    HE NEEDS TO BE SACKED ASAP

  • 18 alex84 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    This tie is no where near over! Jesus we were unlucky tonight, 2 errors that was it against a team with such an impressive home record I thought we were going to be battard, good to see Cisse look so lively

  • 19 catchy in norway // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:52 PM

    off home to me bed for 4 hours :(

  • 20 Troy Stavers // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:53 PM

    Absolutely beaten by a better team. I can’t see how anyone can argue.

    These mistakes by us have been my us all season.

  • 21 Troy Stavers // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    These mistakes have been made by us all season

  • 22 leeb1982 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    manxpie@16 100% right taylor was complete instinct sissoko ducked it so he had to react . yes he wil regret it now but at hat moment when he had no time to think his body took over and reacted exactly as any other would. cant believe people blame taylor yes it was a handball but its a natural reaction n he would die for nufc on that pitch n when sh1t hits fan he is one player id wanna be standing beside

  • 23 yo-yo // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    leeb

    agree – the lads need to take responsibility for their mistakes

  • 24 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:56 PM

    Manxpie
    Soz mate but he moved his arm across it was blatantly obvious, as for sissoko i imagine he ducked as when the ball was played in he got a shout no other reason to duck
    Sorry mate but no excuse for that and it’s the one habit tayls hasn’t been able to shake, the bugger always gives away pens for handballs!

  • 25 yo-yo // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    catchy – just keep banging yer drum you WUM. You’ve got nothing remotely constructive to add to any debate

  • 26 leeb1982 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:58 PM

    then why defend them yoyo. you balls up you accept it n take the criticism n make sure you dont do it again. not have ur manager make remarks for you to hide behind

  • 27 Mark the Mag // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    Yo Yo
    Yeah think the team needs some viagra. We can play well but as you say we can’t keep it up. We can’t keep possession, even quality like Cabaye struggle, can u imagine him in a manure team ? Short passes build momentum and but its not pardrews objective, he is a realist and thinks we have to hang onto games rather than match the big boys. Who knows if he is given the right tools he may try to and then we can judge him.

  • 28 catchy in norway // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:59 PM

    yoyo

    like you have to

    all you do is kiss hoop :)

    yo-yo // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:55 PM

    leeb

    agree – the lads need to take responsibility for their mistakes

  • 29 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:00 AM

    troy

    Unforced errors and loss of concentration is why we’re scratching away in the relegation zone. Toon have made daft errors as long as I can remember (Hereford FA Cup). Separates winners from losers.

  • 30 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    and also transfer i’ve got to pull you up on 1 of your earlier posts 2day!
    you said you stuck up for catchy because he’s a “passionate” fan!! load of bollicks
    tell me when he was contributing to this blog when we were playing well or at least winning?? he’s an arse mate and some1 who sets his own example so so low that eventually he’ll be able to spout his bile!
    put it this way if we were doin well we wouldn’t even know who catchy is at least rotunda had sum support for the team selection and imo pardew has no fault in this loss tonight and for once i think rotunda would actually agree!!
    i’ll wait and see tho lol :)

  • 31 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:02 AM

    Tads

    I wouldn’t advocate selling him, and you probably have a point that in a settled back four he would be much more solid. It will be interesting to see how far Haidara pushes him for a starting spot next season and if he does dislodge him, how effectively Santon improves upon the flaws in his game to regain his spot as he has had it all his own way since he dislodged Raylor at the start of last season.

    Patience is needed but it is hard given how poor he has been this season as a whole, some say one of our best, personally I would say one of our worst.

  • 32 northernirishtoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    Leeb

    Get a grip pal. It’s not a natural reaction to stick your arm to the ball. Especially in a game as important as that.

    Saylor has been immense since he has come back but that truly was an awful mistake and its not the first time he’s done it. You’d think he would learn

  • 33 leeb1982 // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    mark the mag- start of the season pardew said he was happy with what he had. he then had it strengthened with numerous players in january yet he still cant do a thing with them. he is hopeless he needs sacked and he needs it quick

  • 34 reccerobbo // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:04 AM

    Lets forget about to nite, and get behind the lads on Sunday massive game anything less than 3 points n we will definetly be in the sticky stuff!!

  • 35 catchy in norway // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    manxpie
    yeh yeh yeh

    yet another one blinded by the light shining out of pardews ass,,

    winners dont accept defeat, they hate losing full stop,,

    fans like you, just sit back and say , im a supporter me,, love to hear the words,,

    who do you support? cos right now, its pardew not NUFC,

  • 36 leeb1982 // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM

    irish it is a normal reaction if i throw a ball at u. u will react towards it. he was on the back of sissoko when he ducked so how much time do you think he had to react.

  • 37 Mark the Mag // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    Leeb
    He has to be a politician and back track on himself by saying he was happy with the squad when we all know he needed the players he said he wanted i.e. goal scoring CB he harper on about. He had a cheap skate chairman who didn’t back him when he was awarded manager of the year in the poisoned chalice of a hotseat. Everyone can see his weaknesses but we need stability.

  • 38 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    tads i’m not disputing him doin it deliberatly but its natural to him to try n get a block on it and to b honest it was defo sissoko’s ball all day and the replay didn’t look like he shouted tbf

  • 39 catchy in norway // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:10 AM

    http://www.statto.com/football/teams/newcastle-united

  • 40 Spotlight Kid // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    NUFC looked the better side for long periods of the first 45, but unlike top sides lack the concentration / motivation / discipline / professionalism (delete where applicable) to sustain this standard over the whole of a game.

    For newcomers, Taylor has been doing the ‘stiff arm accidental handball thing’ for several seasons now – he made a feature of it when we were in the Championship (I remember commenting a couple of times about it), and it’s probably followed him through from youth football. Unfortunately it has now become a daft reflex action, that is destined to fail with a touchline official. Problem is, he now seems to do it in spite of himself. Maybe hypnotherapy is needed?

    Santon’s backpass was, however, just sheer, unthinking, Sunday league madness. The only effective therapy for this involves spending the remainder of the season in the U21 team, and repeating K.I.S.S. tens times on rising and retiring.

  • 41 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:11 AM

    catchy – Post 25 – nothing to add to that as far as you’re concerned

    Leeb

    I’m only defending the manager against guys slagging him on here for mistakes made by individual players. I do blame him for lack of match conditioning in the sense we always lose concentration for periods in the match which superior sides like Benfica take advantage of. Mind you Bramble was a classic Toon player in that sense. It’s Bramble syndrome we need to escape. Is Alan the man to do it ? Dunno.. tbh… he’s not that far off but he may not be ruthless enough to succeed. This is why guys like Rafa have been successful – just more ruthless imo.

    It’s bad psychology to slag yer players publicly and its not AP style, so I’m not going to haul him for that

  • 42 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    Catchy back under yer bridge with them billy goats . You really are the sphincter end of football supporters but I suppose all teams have them.

  • 43 Troy Stavers // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    @Yo Yo

    Ha! You sound naive.

  • 44 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:16 AM

    For what it’s worth I actually agree with what yo yo is saying, what AP says privately would be very different to what he says publicly.

  • 45 northernirishtoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:18 AM

    Leeb

    I understand what your trying to say I just think your wrong. How anyone can blame sissoko for Taylor’s hand ball needs to see a psychiatrist.

    He’s got a lot of history doing this. How can u not see that

  • 46 pawl250 // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    Its unbelievable how many fans suck up to STaylor, he was in the wrong tonight! FACT!

    Sissoko looked like he lost his footing too me, but he reacted and knew what he had done! Then he disgraces himself holding his nuts, its just cheating, and he knew what he did!

    People need to understand STaylor is one of the reasons to blame.

    Krul, although excellent tonight, the first goal was arguably his fault, I mean why didn’t he push it away rather than into play. My argument for him though is only Mbiwa reacted to that, but not before the Benfica player! Where was Santon?! Or STaylor? We are just static in defence!

    Second goal, no quarrels santons fault, but watch the replay he didn’t lift his head up! People saying he passed knowing the Benfica player was there are sad. Looking for a scape goat from beloved STaylor. Look Santon had a decent game, he made and error, one I think he won’t make again.

    STaylor on the other hand! He has done this 3-4 times now, he never seems to learn! Look he has heart and desire for the club but if I was paid 500k a year for a “loyalty bonus” ontop of my extravagant weekly wage, I would have the same desire! Not good enough and too me that was a bigger mistake than Santon.

    At that point in the match, you look at these experienced players. Yet we panicked and Ultimatley STaylor made the mountain for us to climb.

    Its not just his fault, but I find myself more angry at him than any other player, probably because this has happened on several occasions. He needs to get that out of his game because based on his pathetic acting skills after, if I were England’s manager he wouldn’t even be on my radar now for being that pathetic, then to protest the way he did makes the whole thing look even worse!

    1st goal is everything next week!

  • 47 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    catchy out of all the times ive called you out you’ve finally replied my god i’m honourd
    so tell me who was our best manager since sir bobby’s time n tell me why o why do you only turn up when we lose!!?
    i mean when we played well after our new signings u were no where to be seen!!
    is that a sign of a fan??
    or is that a sign of person who only wants attenssion when things are goin wrong!!!! mmmmmmmm!!!!

  • 48 Troy Stavers // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    @darkside

    I do as well. I’m just laughing at how he’s biting. Its naive. :-D

  • 49 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    @Troy

    Somewhat naive of me not to gather that that’s what you meant haha

  • 50 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    Troy – explain.

  • 51 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    Troy

    What I really think about some on the bloggers on here would get me in court for libel/slander but I’m not so naive to put it in writing…. :0

  • 52 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    pawl well you n facts need to understand one or the other!!
    how can you say that staylor ment that in less than a second i can understand if sissoko ducked and there was 10ft between them but the FACT was there was inches n 100ths of a second between them!!
    it was sissoko’s ball to clear and anyone who doesn’t see that is wrong imo!?

  • 53 pawl250 // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:29 AM

    Leebs, u seriously need to step away from the whole “the lad is a Geordie lets defend him” act.

    Shola was woeful upon coming on, I think he gave more fouls away in 10 minutes than our entire team did over 80 minutes! Call it eagerness but he was crap.

    Cisse by far MOTM, Mbiwa arguably to follow and Krul had it not been for his (maybe harsh) 1st goal error.

    Cisse should have shot around the 80 mins mark instead of squaring to Sissoko though…. He’s a striker! Infront of goal! Shoot! I mean he isn’t shy he has tried more outrageous efforts that have seen the net, too me he could have scored from that angle if he drilled it hard towards far post

    …… Still we need 1st goal now, I would have taken 2-1 loss before the game. I probably wouldn’t have taken 3-1.

    I can see us scoring 2 goals at home, but I cannot see us keeping a clean sheet so 2-1 would have been ideal, even to take to extra time/pens. 3-1 ….. Unfortunately is probably out of our grasp!

    —————- Krul
    Santon STaylor Mbiwa Haidara
    ——— Cabaye – Tiote
    Jonas —— Sissoko — Marveaux
    —————- Cisse

    Early goal is vital, then to just aim for 1 more and clean sheet! Am hoping it happens but its unlikely!

  • 54 pawl250 // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:33 AM

    Manxpie -

    Please …. Look at the replay he deliberately sticks his arm out! It was on purpose! His eyes track the ball!

    Then he whinges and protests holding his nads…. What a joke!

    He knew what he was doing! Just takes a real man to admit it than lie and attempt to deceive by play acting!

    Geordie or not…. It was a disgrace….. Had that been Williamson or Simpson the lynch squad would be in full force!

  • 55 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:34 AM

    catchy are you there or have you dissapeared till we lose again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    come on catchy lets see your full support of the team or are you looking at google n looking up the history of us since sir bobby!!??????????????

  • 56 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:36 AM

    pawl

    yeh I’d go with that. Bit of kip calls

  • 57 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:39 AM

    pawl

    You are spot on about Saylor simulating the broken arm from the short arm tackle with the ball. It wisnae me !! It wis the ball….and the blog executioners.. good call

  • 58 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:40 AM

    pawl look at my comment at 38 and 52 and tell me why sissiko wasn’t at fault which was my point!!
    taylor took one for the team which every defender should do but the FACT is sissoko should have cleared it! simple as!!

  • 59 pawl250 // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:44 AM

    Yea yo yo me too! Off to bed.

    Just had to come on voice my views for the lack of criticism for STaylor yet everyone else, including Pardew was too blame.

    I think people need to realise just because you criticise a home grown lad, doesn’t mean anything.

    I think if you asked STaylor tonight, right now he would look back and say he made a mistake. Not I didn’t see it, or blah blah whatever. He probably would want to take it back….. Knowing he could! I have no doubt it was instinct but he could have left it really, am not asking him to overhead kick it away! Just leave it.

    Anyway, I don’t comment loads but I do visit the blog daily, and read views. I tend to comment when something needs to be said…. Tonight STaylor for me, is more to blame than Santon.

    Think people need to be honest, and look at back. Santon unknowingly passed the ball back (look at replay his head does not go up) …. As STaylor deliberately hand balled it.

    Which is worse? Its a game of opinions, I’ve shared mine.

    Goodnight gentleman, and ladies (if any)

  • 60 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:46 AM

    anyways where’ catchy ive called him out many many times now and he doesn’t reply!!
    it must be dozens of times now n nothing except 2 nite and still no reply!!
    lets guess he’s busy which he always is when where playing well!!??

  • 61 pawl250 // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:48 AM

    Manxpie

    My view on the replay is Sissoko tripped, as he was holding his ankle when the desicion was given. He didn’t “duck” he was concerned for some reason or other.

    If it hit STaylors forearm, and Sissoko is 6ft plus he would have to “duck” arguably half his height! That’s not ducking mate, its as though he was falling over, I don’t think he ducked intentionally!

    I do think STaylor (arguably his passion caused him to do it I won’t deny that) deliberately handballed it, and he knew it was coming cos his hand moved too the ball! It wasn’t like he just got hit.

    My opinion! We agree to disagree.

  • 62 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:49 AM

    pawl have a look at the slow replay and tell me who did there best to stop the ball in the position they were in!?
    and then tell me your honest answer!???????????????????

  • 63 Mark the Mag // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:52 AM

    At the start of last season we had a solid 442 and Tiote and cabaye were a match for most 3 man midfield. Leon Best contributed a lot of hard graft and aided ba to score goals. Obertan gave us a escape route on the right, but when Cisse and HBA came in we went to 433 and it was special. We had a great defensive record, were solid and didn’t lack concentration and make the mistakes we have this time even tho we now have better players. El has been a distraction but let’s hope AP can get it right again next season and shut you negative doubters up. Or we could always sack him and be the laughing stock of football again and again. Let’s get some stability and get behind the manager untill the club as a whole can progress.

  • 64 pawl250 // Apr 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM

    After reviewing the highlights again…. I urge you to watch the same highlight on the blog after the pen, it shows the replay.

    Watch Sissoko he has lost footing and falling over and even HOPS away, he hasn’t “ducked” …. It also shows STaylor putting his hand in the way of the ball!

    You could argue Sissoko is in his way, but he moves his hand onto the ball. I don’t think Sisssoko even knew the ball was coming, or had a chance of stopping it.

    Please Manxpie step out of STalylors a*s …. He isn’t going to give u anything for it!

    God!

  • 65 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    so sissokos ankle injury was so bad that it made him dive out of the way and staylors split second desicion to try and defend the ball is a bad thing is wrong then for me means you’ve never played the game yourself!!
    you sound like staylor made the decsision to handball it on purpose which is very very much not the case!!
    he had a split second to get some part of his body on the ball to defend!! and that is because sissoko didn’t do his job!!

  • 66 ginola_tonic // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    We got beat by a better side. Forget the EL. We weren’t ever gonna win it anyway. Let’s concentrate on the PL. because honestly I can see us going down. Had a dream about it. Last day of PL and we go down. At least we tried today. We desperately need a striker. I thought marv had a decent game. He always looking to pick out cisse. Dunno what’s happened to Anita. Poor guy just looks lost. Anyways onwards and upwards. Hopefully no more dreams tonight.

  • 67 ginola_tonic // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:03 AM

    Well said mark the mag

  • 68 pawl250 // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:05 AM

    He put his hand in the way of the ball, not the ball hit his hand.

    That maybe a split second and admittedly a passionate desicion to stop the ball at all costs! But he made the wrong one! And was conscious of it by moving the hand to the ball.

    To me that’s his fault. Sissoko is off balance even nearly falls over, he arguably, if he been fully upright the ball would have hit him, but that’s not the debate he was falling over, Steve Taylor did handball it and we lost 3-1 from that pen, instead of a much stronger positioned 2-1.

    He should have left it, atleast then whoever had a lot to do, or another player would have dealt with it! Who knows…. All I do know is STaylor caused the penalty that made it 3-1 for handball, a hand ball he moved his hand too…. That in definition is deliberate….

    Now good night! I won’t reply I have work tomorrow so need some sleep!

    Take care!

  • 69 NewcastleMole // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:07 AM

    I think our problem is Tactics/Formation.

    I think we are playing last seasons Tactics with this Seasons Formation.

    4-4-2 served us well last season when we went on the good run at the beginning of the season. Two banks of four which kept in a line and it was difficult to penetrate, we played very disciplined defensively and got our goals when the chances presented themselves.

    Fast forward to now. We’re playing 4-2-3-1 and still trying to play that disciplined approach. The 2 Wide Midfielders is where it is falling apart, as they are being instructed to sit deeper than the tactic requires and play a counter attacking style. So you now have a deep 4-4-1-1. But the problem with the advanced midfielder is that he isn’t close enough to the striker.

    It becomes congested in our own half which increases the errors made, as when the opposition push forward confusion occurs as to who is picking up who.

    I could be wrong this is just my view but even if i am wrong why with the players we have, have we been performing so poorly?
    Why haven’t we changed our style?

  • 70 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:09 AM

    pawl, your embarrasing yourself sissoko was to blame man what the hell is the difference between “hopping” away or ducking!?
    at the end of the day he didn’t play the ball in fact he put staylor off which led to him trying to stop the ball!!
    the FACT is if sissoko did his job as the leading defender in that position we wouldn’t have conceaded simple as that!!

  • 71 true toon // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:14 AM

    Teams at this level that wins competition usually have this two qualities

    1) Never made school boy errors in defending
    2) Clinical finish when the chance presents itself.

    Both qualities NUFC never have and never will get unless we make drastic changes in Players and Management.

  • 72 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:17 AM

    manx

    Saylor did a very naughty handball. It was clearly deliberate. Yeh Sissoko screwed up too. But saylor doing the dying swan act was OTT and the mark of a guilty man.
    Bottle empty off to bed.

  • 73 Williamsonsuks // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:18 AM

    After 20 mins we were pathetic. I put that down to the midfield. We didn’t have one tonight. From 10 yards in their half till 30 yards in ours it was no mans land for us. It made the defence look a lot worse than it actually was. We should’ve protected the lead at 1 0 up, sure there would’ve been a few moaners but Chelsea won the CL playing that type of s@it. I’ve slagged Tiote of for his recent performances but if we had him on with last years form we would’ve left with something. Just his presence was enough to put the s@its up any midfielder. TBH Benfica were there for the taking tonight but we through it away again. We have to question the coaching staff. What were the tactics after we scored? No cohesion, understanding, shape, direction. Maybe it’s the language barrier but you dont have to speak the same language to pass the ball or no when to press, close down an opponent

  • 74 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:20 AM

    i hope ya reply in the morning PAWL otherwise i’ll except your defeat :)

  • 75 Mark the Mag // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    Ginola
    I think we need a striker aswell, a big targetman to hold it up, take pressure off, and bring our midfielders into the game. Also score a few from set pieces, Carroll ?
    Mole
    Great insight, hope Pardrew is reading this lol.

  • 76 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:28 AM

    yo-yo i never denied that but sissoko should have cleared it before but all he actually did is put staylor off and i’ll repeat it’s a natural possition to react as a defender and if you’ve ever played football you’d understand!

  • 77 Williamsonsuks // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    Everyone’s going on about their 3rd goal. We weren’t gonna take anything from that game after the 2nd went in. We could’ve played 180mins and not got a 2nd goal, it was a complete embarrassment.

  • 78 Guj NUFC // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:35 AM

    Marveaux played some really nice passes through to Cisse. If only his 2 shots which had hit the post, had just crept in, he could have had a Hat-Trick! Luck wasn’t on our side the night and 2 silly mistakes cost us the first leg. Other than that, I thought we played well. Benfica did their best to rattle our cage and unfortunately we cracked.

    Onwards and upwards, I believe we can beat Fulham this Sunday to put us in a good mood for the next 2 games.

  • 79 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:36 AM

    i’d personaly love carroll back he belongs at home n tbh he looked as fit n healthy as he has done since he left us last game!
    2 have him fighting for us n cisse feeding from every of ball looks amazing combo!!

  • 80 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    and even if we payed 17mill we still got a 17 mill profit and for me thats a win for ashley!!

  • 81 boater // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:39 AM

    NewcastleMole @ 69. Best post I’ve read in months.

  • 82 Guj NUFC // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:41 AM

    I agree on the Carroll situation, I would take him back for less than half of what we sold him for.

  • 83 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:42 AM

    still waiting for catchy btw come on man reply or you look like an absolute dick!!!!!!!!

  • 84 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:44 AM

    boater your saying 442 is the answer??

  • 85 manxpie // Apr 5, 2013 at 1:54 AM

    just seen paulo diCanio’s 1st scumderland teamsheet!
    looks really really weird ………………
    ……….he’s picked 11 right wingers!! :)

  • 86 davis_toons // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:34 AM

    NO matter what teams we play (even lower legu teams) we will have to slow the game down, waste alots of time.

    Thats is why AP always wanted AndyC, so that the game can be slow down even more. While he holds the ball upfront. Push forward the rest of the team.

    Thats Pardew Style.

    Baca feels that this style is causing the rest of the team so they decided to sell away Zlatan ibrahimovic.

    Maybe with the manager like Pardew and our team we might need Andy carroll, who knows.

  • 87 terencelim // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:01 AM

    Winning a cup? We’re fighting for relegation almost every season under Ashley. It’s just sooner or later each Ashley axx licker got to wake up, one by one.

  • 88 davis_toons // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:28 AM

    With Carroll back maybe Stylor will keep his hands off the ball more and concentrate more on the game.

  • 89 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:53 AM

    Morning lads!

    …so Pardew has a style now? ;-) lol

    Are people still licking their wounds from last night or have most people comed to the conclussion that Benfica was the better side which they clearly was!

    I would have taken a 2-1 defeat, but are really sadden that Saylor had to pull that stunt in the penalty box :-(

  • 90 Assam Toon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:19 AM

    We will put up a spirited display in SJP and bow out winning 2-1 on the night. And that will be the last Euro action we will see for some time. And if we don’t have a good start to the next season, then we are screwed in January 2014 transfer window. We have players who can walk into a top 4 team and yet end up in a 15-16th place side. Why do you think good players keep leaving Arsenal?
    It’s time Ashley hired a man with a vision.

  • 91 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:22 AM

    Taylor – a bloody liability with his arms/hands – its every game corners free kicks he has his arms around opposition players and got away with at least two hand balls this season – seems to get caught with his weight on wrong foot. Good defender if he got this out of his system.
    On the goal Sissoko’s ducking the cross – I wonder, did he get a shout to leave it from someone? – seems strange to duck.

    Anyway the best worked goal we have scored in a long time. Like to see more of that.

  • 92 cyprus // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:33 AM

    Taylor: reminded me of his several schoolboy errors when we went down.
    Santon: what were you thinking man?

    Both of you, snap out of it. If this had been one of the two fans’ pet hates (Simpson, Williamson) we’d never hear the end of it, good job it’s the golden boys…

    Goalie: why change an in-form one?

  • 93 cyprus // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:47 AM

    And the dude above accusing other posters that they haven’t played football so that’s why they don’t understand Taylor’s ‘instincts’… you sound like that person in a pub team who can’t resist grabbing at the ball as it flies near him… these are pros man, totally unacceptable by Taylor after so many years on the scene.

  • 94 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:48 AM

    Not the worst display but silly mistakes cost us overall. Give a team 2 goals and you will rarely win a match.

    We did show we can create chances so the tie isn’t over…we could turn them over at home. Keep believing it can happen.

  • 95 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:50 AM

    cyprus

    Yeh it was a poor mistake by both santon and taylor, a mad 5 mins where we chucked the match away.

    But if sissoko hadn’t ducked out of it then saylor wouldn’t have messed up. Not an excuse for him, but he wasn’t the only one to blame.

  • 96 cyprus // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    Transfer, can’t disagree with that, only it doesn’t make Taylor less guilty. Look at the scene again, it’s very deliberate and silly, unfortunately. Like you said, a crazy 5 minutes…

  • 97 mindshaft // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    Amazed people defending Taylor’s pathetic error whilst Santon is (rightly) slated for his horrendous back pass
    Taylor does it time and time again, I’m getting fed up of seeing his ‘it hit me in the bollocks/stomach routine, he knew exactly what he was doing and it was blatant, I love his passion but think we need to sign a better CB for next season or partner Collo / Mbiwa if we can get Collo to stay

  • 98 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:02 AM

    cyprus

    Yeh. In no way am I defending taylor, it was a complete stupid thing to do. Just saying sissoko doesn’t come out of that great either.

    Saylor has done this a few times now, its something he needs to really cut out of his game.

  • 99 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:04 AM

    mindshaft

    I like mbiwa but he made an error or two last night as well, one should have been punished with a goal when squared across the goal.

  • 100 martoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:22 AM

    I was pleased with the performance but very disappointed with the result. Some people on here expect us to go to the SOL against a CL team and dominate for the full match. If you try to debate they resort to name calling!
    I always try to be positive but it s dfficult to see us going through now, while a 2 – 0 win is possible it is unllikely.

  • 101 TorqToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:23 AM

    Morning gents.

    Not having read the blog from last night, I can only assume it was full of negativity and calls of ‘Pardew out!!’

    Same old same old

    On last night, we came up against a VERY good benfica side, and gifted them 2 goals. Hitting the woodwork a number of times in the process. It was toughest game of the British sides and could’ve been a very different story.

    That away goal could be vital lads, 2-0 home win, and it’s job done!!!

    I remain confident! :-)

  • 102 Wandering Geordie // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:25 AM

    Although Krul had a reasonable game..It still boils my P…s that He punts the ball up only for it to quickly to return putting our defence under pressure immediately.

    Yes there was errors and the ball hit post twice.But We are at home and It could be turned around..I live in hope.

  • 103 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:29 AM

    martoon

    Exactly, people expect us to go, play our game and stop them without them being able to do the same to us.

    They are a better team and therefore the fact we dominated about 30/35 mins in total of the game so comprehensively is pretty impressive.

    I don’t think we sat back, they just played well got on top of us and we couldn’t get out. Not bad tactics just great play by benfica.

  • 104 ajcrawfs // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:39 AM

    My prediction came true! wish i had a bet on it now!

    Anyone else get really nervous when Cardozo was on the ball? They have some great attacking players, but their defense and keeper leave a lot to be desired. I think if we don’t make any of those stupid errors in the next leg we can get the result

  • 105 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM

    after seeing how the team tires if they graft in the first 3-0 mins says it all really.

    20 shots to 6
    12 corners to 0
    31 crosses to 7

    they put the ball from wide positions 43 times, thats almost 1 every 2 mins which can not be maintained for 90 mins.

    at half time when we were obviously on the back foot the manager failed to change it (I am sure he did something) at least correctly.

    im not saying sack him, im just saying i hope he quits.

  • 106 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    crafs

    exactly…the tie isn’t finished yet. It won’t be easy, we need to play well and not make mistakes but we can still go through.

  • 107 alex84 // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:46 AM

    Im not angry just disappointed ha, at least we go into the 2nd leg knowing what we have to do, I think with there defense we can get goals, like what poyet said controlled attacks at tempo, I’d be tempted to go 442 and utilize the space in behind there back 4

  • 108 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:48 AM

    brian kilclines pony tail

    not 100% convinced on pardew but its a weird situation.

    When behind we play some great pressing stuff. Also last season we did the same towards the end of the season, we let the shackles off and got at teams…cabaye feeding cisse, ba and hba was brilliant to watch.

    However too often we sick back defensively and don’t create enough, especially against weaker teams we should take the game too.

    Last night was different, we attacked but they did very well, they pinned us back, good subs and it showed. We had to make 2 enforced subs through injury and also our bench wasn’t very strong, nothing better on their (other than campbell instead of shola, but thats no guarantee with the young lad barely having played for the senior team).

    I know pardew can succeed and get us playing good stuff, it has shown at times…he just needs to be braver more often and get a few more in during the summer window.

    Saying all that if a better manager was available, i wouldn’t complain if he was appointed….basically i am sat on the fence, don’t mind either way.

  • 109 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:49 AM

    Brian
    Clearly on the back foot?
    We came out and attacked them straight away in the second half and got behind them twice in the first 5 mins with cisse hitting the post
    Not sure how to massive defensive errors are being pinned on pardew

  • 110 bzak12 // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:52 AM

    Pardue chasing 2 new targets!
    1) losing streak in league, 4 this season currently standing at 2.
    2) Most defeats in a season, 18 in relegation season currently standing at 16 with 7 gasmes to go.
    Both likely.

  • 111 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    tads

    The thing is in general this season, and some of last, i can see why people think we are too defensive…makes sense for me because we do play a bit too cautious.

    But last night we attacked well, just didn’t get the luck with the finishing and gave away two sloppy goals. They just pinned us back, more than us sitting back.

  • 112 alex84 // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:56 AM

    Sage – you speak a lot of sense, I am baffled to what people expected, there full backs push so high up the they are basically wing forwards, that pinned us back anf would pin any team back, we took the game to Benfica in a smart way, you can’t commit everyone forward they will pick u apart. What was pleasing to see was us more than compete with a team only to lose to Barca at home and score over a 100 goals. Some people on here are actually clueless.

  • 113 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:10 AM

    alex84

    I wouldn’t say people are clueless…but i think people expect too much.

    We have some good players, cabaye, sissoko, cisse…etc but they aren’t world stars…they are in the same league as benfica players but in general they have a better team.

  • 114 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Sage
    Tbh I can understand the defensive stance this season given injuries form etc but that wasn’t the case last night so can’t understand the criticism of pards last night

  • 115 Rainrix // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Are people blaming pardew for individual errors? Missed all the fun last night, might as well set my stall out for some pardew bashing. :)

  • 116 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM

    tads

    Thats what I am saying…last night i think we attacked well….it just got to a point where they were keeping the ball really well and finding little passes and we struggled…not through bad tactics, just outplayed….some people think it can’t ever happen to us.

    I sort of understand the cautious approach…but in home games against reading, swansea and west ham we just sat off way too much and let them play…if we attacked i imagine we would have gotten at least 6 points…never certain but just my view on it.

    The way we attacked man utd at old trafford (with quite a weak team, missing a few), we could have done the same to teams like west ham etc…thats my big criticism of this season.

  • 117 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    @TS agree completely, the only problem is do we have to go and spend £18m to get pardew to win 3 games?

    @tds

    the squad has lost its fitness, by the time we were 3-1 down they looked shattered, from 2 periods of 15 mins and 5 mins of our attacking possession. its been this way all season 20-30 mins per game of us attacking, usually at the end of matches.

    there seems to be a lot of obvious areas improvement for me, if its a case of pardew not seeing them then he needs to leave, if its a case of the players not listening to him then he needs to leave.

    it may seem harsh but its been like this all season and not one area from corners, creating chances, passing to fitness have been improved upon.

    its a shame but pardew caries the can for his team of staff who in my view are not getting the best out of these players.

  • 118 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    rainrix

    I think people are blaming pardews game plan/changes as oppose to the errors on him….but i think the game plan was good, just we gifted them the game..

  • 119 alex84 // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:19 AM

    I think Pards has had his tactics spot on in Europe, not sure Id say the same for the prem, but tactics also depend on the personnel you have at your disposal.

    if you look at the players missing from yesterday, ben arfa, colo, tiote…any team would suffer from that.

  • 120 ichrisho // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    ….It was just one of those games… we got have been 3-1 up ourselves and to be honest we should have been… Cisse should have scored a hat-trick last night… Pardew set the team wrong in the 2nd hald ala Newcastle Mole’s excellent post up above… we were totally on the back foot from 46mins onward… I think we did well to keep it at 3-1… it could have easily been 5-1… and that would have been that… Its friday – lets stay positive and aim for a 2-0 or 3-0 win at St. James’ ….. its down to us – the fans – now…

  • 121 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    ichrisho

    what would you have changed in the 2nd half?

    we had 2 enforced subs through injury and a weak bench…i dont think there was too much we could do.

  • 122 Rainrix // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:25 AM

    Sage… I i dont think he got too much wrong either, the game plan was sound we just lost steam in the latter stages of the halfs. I didnt think he subs were bad either, given we didnt have much on the bench.

    I just see it in my head after santons back pass someone on here immediately shouting PARDEW OUT! :)

  • 123 ichrisho // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:29 AM

    Sage

    I would have made it 4-4-2 with Sissoko up with Cisse and just gone for it… The counter attack approach just doesnt have the legs with our team… Marv and Sissoko can move up fairly swift but they seem randomly running up the pitch – they need more support. I get that we have some enforced subs but thought we could have had a better mentality in the 2nd half – I thought we should have been 3-1 up by halftime…

  • 124 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:30 AM

    rainrix

    I think there is a lot of genuine criticism for Pardew to answer this season. Giving Ba a central role to the detriment of the team (well the good 4-4-3 that worked last season near the end), having us set up too defensively in games where we should be on the front foot…and a couple others. (set pieces to name one).

    But last night i think there wasn’t much more he could have done.

  • 125 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    ichrisho

    I don’t think its pardews fault we weren’t 3-1 up at half time (dont think you implied that, just wanted to be sure).

    But yeh that could have worked, but they were getting at us so i see why he tried to pack the midfield more to stop them playing through as easy.

    It’s a difficult game agianst a good team, at least we showed the fight we lacked at man city.

  • 126 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    Rainrix

    I have been one of Pardew’s fiercest critics but for a 20 minute period yesterday we were absolutely fantastic when we took the game to them and they looked there for the taking.

    Desperately unlucky with Cisse hitting the post twice, a moment of madness from Santon and Saylor reprising his handball – fake injury – routine at the worst possible time. Even with Sissoko partially ducking in front of him, Saylor inexplicably dramatically chucked out his arm again

    Despite a cameo from Marveaux with 2 great runs and passes we sadly seemed to run out of legs and ideas as the game wore on and it started to show how little we practice passing and moving in training.

    Sadly it also looks increasingly like we are looking for a Carroll type figure again so I don’t think there will be any emphasis on passing and moving any time soon with a return to hoofball looking on the cards.

    So in short, superb for 20 mins and we had a tantalising glimpse of what could be, then same old same old and for a team that works almost exclusively on defence we still leak a lot and our goal difference is woeful.

    Rodgers has his critics but you can’t help feel they are going the right way footballing wise and even further if they swap Carroll for Benny with Pardew ending up as the long ball 3rd wheel with Pulis and Allardyce.

  • 127 ichrisho // Apr 5, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Sage – Yeah I was proud of the guys last night – bar two silly can-happen-anytime mistakes… we did really well against a seriously good side… I was happy with what pardew did just wish we had some luck last night… we’ll have it next thurs… Sissoko and Cisse (2-0)




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