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Portuguese Press Give Magpies No Chance – Good!

10:48 am, Thursday, April 4th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 82 Comments

It seems like the local Portuguese press have already written off Newcastle having any chance tonight at the Estádio da Luz in Lisbon.

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Alan Pardew – we haven’t come here to be beaten

So it looks like we already have the opposition exactly where we want them, and manager Alan Pardew is aware that if we start well tonight, then there could be concerns ripple through the Benfica side.

This is what Alan said about tonight:

“The local paper here has been quite bullish, giving us no chance.” “So that might bode well 25 minutes into the game.” “A lot of teams have come here waiting to be beaten. We mustn’t do that.”

“If we can shock them in that opening period, we might get something out of the game.” “We need to take some important lessons from Man City. For all the information we tried to put into the team, we got a negative reaction.

“We can’t build this Benfica team up too much. They’re 24 games unbeaten.” “It’s a tough call for us.” “We need to have ambition, and try to get ourselves a goal or maybe two. If we do that, we have a great chance.”

All the stats point to a Benfica win tonight, but in football you  never know, and with this Newcastle side, you just never know.

We have to hope for the best – but at the very least we need to be competitive in Lisbon, which we weren’t on Saturday in Manchester.

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82 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Bambams // Apr 4, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Hopefully we can put them on their back foot and surprise them, hopefully. ….

    They have runners all over the pitch and we must track them or we will have no chance.

    Still these games are the ones we all wanted ….

  • 2 yo-yo // Apr 4, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Well – they’re probably right. We’ve got to be underdogs in Portugal. Maybe it’ll kick our lads up the backside and we’ll get a result. A score draw would do nicely.

  • 3 Spoof // Apr 4, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    Benfica haven’t lost a game since October, it’s about time they did, and why not tonight.

  • 4 stuart no9 // Apr 4, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    judging by pards comments, he is not very confident. if this -if that , maybe this ,maybe that -nothing positive at all in what he says.- i feel a disaster coming on, maybe worse than saturday.

  • 5 barkel // Apr 4, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    I’m looking forward to the match tonight, no doubt it’s a tough game but I reckon we can do well and get an away goal. Benfica are doing very well in their league but there aren’t many teams in Portugal that can really compete, Porto and Braga maybe. We have to remember that they were knocked out of their Champions League group by Celtic so I dont see why most on here are being so negative

  • 6 Rake // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Long balls up to Shola tonight lads you heard it here first

  • 7 ichrisho // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    @Rake

    Shola stunning volley in the 25 minute will silence the Stadium of Light… Said it here first :)

  • 8 Grafton83 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    Our lineup has changed so much this year it must be hard for a team like Benfica to really know what to make of us. Cabs makes a huge difference as well as new recruits like Sissoko. If they just look at our domestic league position then they are underestimating us. I doubt they’re daft enough to be lulled into a complete sense of false security and throw on the B team against us but hopefully it might influence one or two small decisions in their setup.

  • 9 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    I’m just going to enjoy tonights game, win or lose. Hopefully we will attack to worry them too but if not i’ll just sit back and watch them play some nice stuff and watch our boys fight them off.

  • 10 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    yo yo

    I know I shouldn’t have let low fell get to me. But if I wasn’t a NUFC fan and my partner wishes I wasn’t!! why would I invest so much time in following them.

    His question was who I have ever liked as a NUFC manager and who had been more successful than Pardew.

    Well you can’t argue that KK and SBR were and played way better football and as I hate to point out Pardew hasn’t won any more than KK and SBR.

    Supporting NUFC and liking the manger aren’t mutually exclusive but not liking or rating pardew apparently makes me a mackem and a mouthpiece, It’s pathetic.

    I just want the best possible manager for my club. Hand on heart can anyone really say Pardew is that man.

    If Pardew can win a cup over a few games I’d be delirious sorry di- lirious.

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    grafton

    Last season we got 65 points.

    This season since the new boys game in for the villa away matchwe have won 4 and lost 4…50% points return.

    Over a season thats 57…so not hugely far from last year…still would have been enough for 6th last year.

    So i think our form since then, although defeats to wigan and swansea are annoying…..the general form has been decent. Just the performances haven’t been fluid…but then they weren’t last year apart from the off game when things seemed to really click.

    I hope benfica think they can turn us over, it will shock them. Even if we lose i think they will have to work extremely hard, they have some good players but in europe no games are easy…they struggled against celtic…narrow win and draw so not unstopable.

  • 12 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    grafton

    cabs only makes a huge difference played further forward

  • 13 Grafton83 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    When Mourinho won the CL with Inter he would regularly say to the players everyone has written you off, the press is against us, the refs are against us, the whole world thinks we’re going out type of rhetoric.

    It had a huge impact and made his players a very tight and highley motivated unit who felt like they were defying the odds and that helped produce the results which won them the competition.

    When we were chasing a CL spot last year it felt the same, Pards saying they’re a 10th place team and we’re not as good isn’t quite creating the same atmosphere

  • 14 ichrisho // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    3-1 loss tonight and 2-0 victory back in St.James’ give us a hard fought away goals victory… thats what I reckon…

  • 15 ichrisho // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Aye – Grafton… Pardew most certainly is not a Mourinho – not is Brendan Rogers for that matter – for all the philosphy BS they come out with…

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    rotonda

    Depends what people count as success…trophy wise none of our managers are. But is getting us to challenge for the league and spend a couple years in champs league a success? its certainly more than pardew has brought so far.

    Style of play is something i like to see. I pay money I want to be entertained….yes a tense 1-0 is entertaining but not every game, it does become tedious after a while. Can accept it in a cup but in a league you want to see some free flowing stuff.

    I think you and catchy are as much a fan as any other here, you support the club. We all here are fans of newcastle for life….we only support pardew and players whilst they are with us (obviously some who do great things for us are supported where ever they go, but in general its just while they are here).

  • 17 ayecanny // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    —————-Krul————— Simpson-Taylor-Mbwiwa-Santon. —————Anita—————- ———Cabaye—Marv———- ————Sissoko——— ——————Cisse——— —–Campbell——

    Front three have speed, middle three can pass.. Not much width.. But could work?! Any thoughts on the line up?

  • 18 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    I just find Pardew’s mutterings very strange.
    At city I’ve never seen a team so beaten before they had even got on the pitch.

    It would be nice if we had a manager who gave the impression he really enjoyed working with and developing this group of players and was genuinely enthusiastic rather than give off the vibe of misplaced arrogance and always revert to excuses,

  • 19 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    An away goal is crucial tonight. I really can’t see us shutting them out in the games…i think they will get at least 1 in each leg. Hopefully we can shut them out but i wouldn’t bank on it.

    We need 1, if not more goals to bring back to the home leg.

  • 20 ichrisho // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Pardew said that the press being so confident – lets see how they are after 25 mins… what does that mean? Does that mean they will relaise that we have taken them on the counter and are 2 up… or that we are going to park the bus and have Shola trying to win the ball from three centre-halfs… all game… no mind after 25 mins…

  • 21 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    has there been anymore on the benitez rumours today?

  • 22 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Sage

    I appreciate that. You know where we’e coming from.
    Maybe we got spoiled with KK (first time) and SBR
    but as you say it’s an entertainment as well as results business and if it’s same old, same old every time you get pretty fed up with it. Doesn’t mean you’re not a fan.

  • 23 ichrisho // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Sage

    Whats the story with Benitez?

  • 24 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    rotonda

    I always tried to defend catchy on here. I never agreed with him, i think he had some points but the action he would take was different from how i would approach it. But there was a love for the club which causes his dislike of pardew…it wasn’t a blind hatred…although it was stronger than I felt he deserved.

    Id love pardew to succeed, he needs help though. He has never played or coached in a technical team made of mainly overseas players as far as I am aware. How is he expected to know the best way to get them playing to their potential?

    I’m sure guardiola would struggle to get a team like stoke to play effective hoofball….he wouldn’t know all the little details you need to know to get it to be as effective as it can be.

    I have been saying for months pardew needs a cood coaching set up, not just local guys, to work with him and the team and introduce him to a more modern game, and let him see first hand how it can be effective at both attacking and defending.

  • 25 Alan Pas-de-clue // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    after a separate rumour linking us with torres, there is one saying ashley is looking into the opportunity of appointing benitez.

    usually i think all of us would dismiss these as rubbish, but for anyone that uses twitter a lot they will know the source @indykaila is one that is very very reliable

  • 26 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    ichrisho

    somebody just mentioned last night a fairly credible source on twitter said he might be considered for our manager next season to replace pardew.

    Then I saw sky sports running a story about how he would consider another job in england when he leaves chelsea in the summer.

    made me think where would he go? chelsea again? no….man utd, liverpool, city, spurs? no….arsenal? no…doesn’t leave many clubs for him to consider.

  • 27 ichrisho // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Sage – what do you make of that? I will say that Rafa does now how to coach and seem to have the Midas touch in Europe… also seems to know how to beat Ferguson teams… Pardew has looked jaded if im honest… Spurs Swansea and Wigan… never 9 points but at least 4… we get none… I dont know… I have only started to realise the sh1te we are in… the matches Vs. Fulham and Scumderland seem to be the biggest (in terms of what we will lose) the biggest games in the last decade…

  • 28 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    ichrisho

    I’m not sure. I’ve never been a huge benitez fan, he seems to buy bad players if given time, although some gems too. I think if he was left to coach and manage the players we have and carr and co brought in the players for the positions benitez wanted then it could work.

    He gets a lot of stick, and hasn’t been great at inter or chelsea but he still has the chance of two trophies this year.

    He has been liverpool’s best manager in a long time, made big decisions (played gerrard out on the left, right or wrong not scared to do what he thinks is best for the team even with the biggest players….Ba getting a central role is opposite).

    He has won the league with valencia, runner up with liverpool and won 2 champs leagues plus reached a final.

  • 29 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    sage

    it would be a great starting point to get a technical coach in to assist pardew if his arrogance would allow it. Let’s be honest though if pardew was chocolate he would eat himself and he probably thinks no one can teach him anything.

  • 30 ichrisho // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    We should do a poll on the blog… Would Benitez be the man to replace Pardew? If we lose to Benfica and Sunderland… I would say that the % might be quite high in favour…

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    rotonda

    no idea on pardew…he has a lot of faith in his ability. Not sure if its to the extent he refuses outside help though, i can’t say i know either way.

    I think if he was told he had to have some coaches in to improve results/style then he has no choice…and if he didn’t use them properly he would be replaced.

    I think he would work with them in that situation as he won’t get a bigger job than us…we are about his max level i think….he wouldnt get a man utd, chelsea, city…not even spurs either.

  • 32 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    fulham is out biggest league game….its the weakest team we play at home…after sunderland but derbies can go either way so never as clear cut.

  • 33 Grafton83 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    My Sunday league team haven’t pinned down our manager to a contract so he’s a free agent if we’re looking for an upgrade, I would prefer Rafa but if he’s unavailable this guy knows more than 1 tactic, often plays players in thier best positions and when he assaults a referee he doesn’t just knudge them of balance momenterily

  • 34 daztoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:46 AM

    As usual Pardew spends more time talking of how good the opposition are so he don’t look to bad after a loss.Lets just work on how good we can be and let them worry about us.Annoying all his tripe put the work in and let the football we play do the talking.

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    daztoon

    It does get annoying but he will get asked questions about them. And if he says they aren’t good or we will beat them easy it can fire them up.

    I think he praises too much but i’d rather that than him insult them all and get them fired up.

  • 36 ichrisho // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Team for tonight?

    Krul
    Jonas Taylor Yanga Santoon
    Obertan (Not my pick) Cabaye Perch Marv
    Sissoko
    Ameobi

  • 37 daztoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    @transfer
    All he has to say is no comment about Benfica I just focus on working with my players.The guy just loves to hear himself talk.The crap he comes out with like the opponents won’t let us get quality crosses in is just a joke.

  • 38 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    grafton

    a manager with more than one tactic. sounds good to me. sign him up!!!

  • 39 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Daztoon

    We should write a chapter of Pardewisms !!

  • 40 Beattie25 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    I don’t see why we should get a coach in to help Pardew do the job he should already know how to do.

    We owe him nothing so if he can’t do the job and get the team playing then we should get a manager who can.

    Pardew has had 2 1/2 years and there has been no footballing progress in terms of quality. Anybody who says there has is foolish.

    We haven’t played decent football since Glenn Roeder and haven’t played good football since Sir Bobby.

    We now have the quality that we’ve been crying out for. Technically amazing players. Look at Cabaye’s highlight reel from when he was playing more forward and look where Pardew plays him. We’ve seen Marveaux play excellently and yet can only get on the bench. Anyone who knows Dutch football will vouch for Anita and his ability yet he can’t get a game. Cisse is one of the deadliest predators in Europe, absolutely ruined this season by becoming a target man/right winger.

    It’s the fundamentally easy things Pardew is getting wrong and he is doing it to make his team sturdy and hard to beat. It doesn’t work with these technical European players.

    I’d rather Pardew play Simpson, Williamson, Perch and fecking Ameobi if we are going to play those tactics game in and game out.

    He is totally lost in his own mediocrity and hiring a new coach to help him is not the answer.

    A new manager who can do a better job without the help Pardew needs and would reject anyway is.

  • 41 daztoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    The only way to use Obertan is in a high tempo pass and move game so the guy doesn’t have to think about what he’s doing

  • 42 Beattie25 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    I don’t see why we should get a coach in to help Pardew do the job he should already know how to do.

    We owe him nothing so if he can’t do the job and get the team playing then we should get a manager who can.

    Pardew has had 2 1/2 years and there has been no footballing progress in terms of quality. Anybody who says there has is foolish.

    We haven’t played decent football since Glenn Roeder and haven’t played good football since Sir Bobby.

    We now have the quality that we’ve been crying out for. Technically amazing players. Look at Cabaye’s highlight reel from when he was playing more forward and look where Pardew plays him. We’ve seen Marveaux play excellently and yet can only get on the bench. Anyone who knows Dutch football will vouch for Anita and his ability yet he can’t get a game. Cisse is one of the deadliest predators in Europe, absolutely ruined this season by becoming a target man/right winger.

    It’s the fundamentally easy things Pardew is getting wrong and he is doing it to make his team sturdy and hard to beat. It doesn’t work with these technical European players.

    I’d rather Pardew play Simpson, Williamson, Perch and Ameobi if we are going to play those tactics game in and game out.

    He is totally lost in his own mediocrity and hiring a new coach to help him is not the answer.

    A new manager who can do a better job without the help Pardew needs and would reject anyway is.

  • 43 Grafton83 // Apr 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    “It’s the fundamentally easy things Pardew is getting wrong and he is doing it to make his team sturdy and hard to beat. It doesn’t work with these technical European players.”

    +1

  • 44 daztoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    @Rotonda
    Mate I’m just sick of hearing all his waffle and blaming everyone and everything.He just needs to do what he is paid to do and get the team to play good football with a passion not like the dross he serves up week in week out.

  • 45 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    I think pardews got a point when he says ‘don’t build them up too much’, because hats exactly what we did for man city.
    I just hope we don’t underestimate them and pardew sticks o his word when he said ‘we will attack from the start’.

    Has anyone ever noticed pardew has spent more time talking to journalists and reporters more than he is on the training pitch helping players out

  • 46 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Beattie

    I’ve been struggling to sum up in words my frustrations and anger with Pardew, but you have just absolutely nailed it there.

  • 47 Grafton83 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Pardew needs to improve we all knew that before christmas.

    I just can’t see MA ever getting rid of him though, he’s a perfect yes man to work with, all they want is someone who’ll do as they’re told wihout causing any trouble and that’s pards all day long.

  • 48 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    ”mouthwatering ” and we will attack from the start’ Jeez this guy is full of it. Zero class, polar opposite of SBR.

  • 49 Alan Pas-de-clue // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Beattie25 cant really argue with that
    a team of

    krul
    debuchy mbiwa taylor santon
    anita sissoko
    hba cabaye marv
    cisse

    with likes of gouffran tiote colo jonas on the bench

    should by all accounts get results looking back on past club/international form. but under pardew i cant see it

    just tentative defensive old fashioned tactics

    i will support pardew as long as he is manager of nufc, but when he goes i wont shed any tears, and i think his position must be formally reassessed in the summer.

    bottom line is i actually trust mike ashley

  • 50 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    beattie

    Maybe the club like pardew and he has some good qualities too. They might think he can improve with help and his qualities mixed with others would be a good balance.

    I know when you hire somebody you might want them but then have to train them to do the role how you want it doing.

    But saying that if they replaced him I wouldn’t be bothered, especially if it was benitez.

  • 51 daztoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    It’s like the HBA injury a blind man and his dog wouldn’t have risked a player who has suffered all season with hamstring injuries in sub zero conditions on a plastic pitch.yeah the docs may have said he’s 100% but that’s just common sense

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    grafton

    I’m not sure..plenty managers in europe work with much more restrictions than we have. No say in who comes in and much less money to spend. Look around spanish and italian leagues, this is the norm.

    Surely we could get plenty who’d be happy.

  • 53 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    daz

    I see why he risked him, he thought he could have done something special for us….but after 3 months out he clearly wasn’t match sharp….would love to know why we never give long term injured players a game or two in reserves first.

  • 54 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    daztoon,

    That was stupidity on another level playing Benny from the start after 3 months out in the worst conditions possible.
    Anyone looking in from the outside just wouldn’t credit it.

  • 55 Troy Stavers // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    @Bambams

    You’re right fella! We can think of all the positives Benfica have and the negatives on our side. But at the end of it all, this is what you expect when you reach the latter stages of a European competition. This is where we all wanted to be.

    Lets enjoy it. !

    We were 5th last season and quarters of the Europa this season! Lets be positive and appreciative.

  • 56 daztoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    @Transfer
    Is that not what the reserves are for to get players who are coming back from injuries to get match fit slowly.As well as keeping our squad player match sharp if needed.Something is very wrong with the whole set up

  • 57 alex84 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Beatie, I have to agree with that…I have tried to give Pards chance after chance, but I think he has taken us as far as he can

  • 58 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    If Swansea and Southampton can get modern managers like Laudrup and Pocchettino out of the blue there must be any number out there could do the same for us. Blanc, Garcia etc,

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    daz

    its for developing young players too now…but i don’t think it helps youngsters too much.

    Much rather our players have a bit of a run in these games if they are injured, makes more sense than chucking them right into the game at a high tempo.

  • 60 Beattie25 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    I think Ashley can get a quality young manager from Europe who would understand the ethos of the football club.

    Ashley needed a yes man until the fans came round to the business model he was trying to run. I think for the most part we are starting to appreciate most (but not all) the decisions he makes.

    Does he need a yes man now? I don’t think so. I think he just needs someone who can come into the club and get the best out of the players we have.

    We don’t need to spend £15-20 million this Summer to turn the team into a top 6 side. We need a few more players for depth and to add a bit more quality but whilst Pardew is at the helm we will always see a team that goes into a game with the wrong attitude.

    Great teams don’t head on to the football pitch hoping not to lose, they go on to ensure they win.

    I like Pardew the man. He is obviously passionate and seems to love the club, but that isn’t enough for me.

    I ask myself what is best for the team and the 2 options I have is to submit to Pardew, buy players that suit his level of management and make do for the next 8 years. Under this strategy we’d have a similar style to Stoke and Bolton of a few years ago and we will never be in danger of relegation but we may not ever break into the top 4. Who knows, we may even get a bit of silverware but it won’t be pretty.

    The other option is to value the players we have more than the manager. We hire a young manager with tactical ability who can bring out the best with what we have and send the players out to win. We might not be successful but I truly believe if we play better football, we get better results. We have all the passion we need from Carver and add a intelligent modern manager into the mix, with the players we have in the right position there is no reason why we can’t break into the top 4.

    Either back him or sack him.

  • 61 croftus5678 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    the players we have are great ! no question
    but i think a lot of these “its pards fault for being defensive” are not that true tbh ! its just a case of our attacking players i.e. cisse (and erm thats about it ^^) not getting enough help.

    sissoko was a defensive player yet pards is playing him well advanced because he has no choice and he’s the best suited player we have to play that position (that alone is not defence minded) our wing play is rubbish and only arfa (injured) and goofy are any good on the wings unfortunatly hence no one bothers running into the box as no one expects a cross.

    marv /cabaye / sissoko are not strikers and you can not expect them to be ! cambell too young and still learning and ameobi is (no comment) which leaves an off form cisse as the only option so i dont see too much negativity in his tactics tbh.

  • 62 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Troy

    Everyone will still be behind them when the match starts.
    Realistically however, if Pardew was a supposed improvement on Hughton, then nearly 3 years on we need the next upgrade.

    If the football is s…e and you’re winning that’s another rmatter. If the football is s…e and you’re losing, ie 3 points off the bottom despite 5 new players, then …….

  • 63 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    beattie

    To get top 6 we need a couple high quality players…along the lines of suarez and bale….a striker who can score, create, do everything as well as a very good winger/wide forward to work the other side to ben arfa (the more i see of gouff he should be a central striker).

  • 64 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    Swansea have been lucky in a way. They have a solid plan on how they want to play and where they want to be but the way managers have left has helped them.

    Martinez left…eventually leading to rogers who is an upgrade, he left leading to laudrupp, another upgrade.

    I think you need to be realistic….if you can improve the manager why shouldnt you? nobody would complain if we signed david villa to replace ameobi, or messi to replace ben arfa, or ronaldo to replace obertan etc.

  • 65 daztoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    @Transfer
    Pardew isn`t alone in mis-managing our youth players thats gone on for years.

  • 66 croftus5678 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    @62

    agree 100% m8 ! on the goofy up front part the only way we will find out how good he is as a striker would be to see him play there and thats not to say he’s rubbish on the wing as i think he’s great there but i do think he comes back to defend too much instead of looking to use his speed to break forward and as a striker he would be perfect on the shoulders of defenders imo.

  • 67 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    croftus

    I have never seen a team pass and move less than we do under Pardew. There’s no triangles, no one- twos. No one moves to support the man in possession.

    As a Eufa b coach who has been involved with futebol de salao and coerver coaching it’s criminal the lack of cohesion and playing as a unit.

    We had it briefly for our best spell ever under pardew in a 433 but it worked so he had to fix it !!!

  • 68 Beattie25 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM

    Transfer

    I agree 100% but lets not forget that there is an illusion to the quality/price for those 2 players.

    We might sit here and say ‘we’d have to pay 40-50 million for those players’ but this simply isn’t true.

    Tottenham paid £7 million for Bale and Ajax paid less for Suarez.

    We need to beat other people to the punch for some talented young players and watch them flourish under a talented manager, and the cost won’t be astronomical.

    What would be the point of Bale and Suarez in a defensive 4-2-3-1?

  • 69 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    daztoon

    Our youth set up has been pretty poor since keegan disbanded it…not sure before that as was too young to remember really.

    I think the issue is our players come back into the first team with no warm up reserve games just to give them a run out, that was my main issue.

    croftus

    Especially when cisse is underperforming..be nice to see him on the bench just to let him know he isn’t untouchable.

    The only problem is, we like to use wide men…and if not gouff that leaves jonas and obertan as other options…might as well stick two cones on the pitch instead of those too.

    I’d like to see 2 up front with a midfield of anita, tiote, cabaye and sissoko….let the width come from the full backs and have tiote sit, like he used to and cover, he is wasted going forward, not hsi game.

  • 70 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    beattie

    I know we wont spend 30+ mil on a player….but we still need to spend around 7-10 mil for those kind of players, even as youngsters…unless you get them aged 14/15 (can we do that if foreign players, not sure).

    thats why i meant we needed to spend the 15/20 mil you said we didn’t need to…chances are 3 quality players will be around that mark, even if young.

  • 71 daztoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    We had an attacking manger in KK which Ashley got right.Its just Ashley thought he knew better how to run a football club than KK did.

  • 72 Rotonda heights // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    sage

    exactly. Sousa as well in that list.

    swansea have moved seamlessly and still have stability and as you say an upgrade each time on their template of playing good football.

    You can have stability with a mediocre mid table manager like Pulis and allardyce (and Pardew,) but surely stability with a good footballing manager is more desirable.

  • 73 geordieracer1980 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Beattie……..Glenn Roeder had us playing decent football? Anyone who thinks that is foolish, lad! He was a really poor appointment.

  • 74 Transfer Sage // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    daztoon

    at the time ashley didn’t know better but now he does i think. Keegan is all about signing top players and not developing, not good with FFP and our lesser budget.

  • 75 Beattie25 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    The simplest form of management is that a team should always be set up to play to the players strengths not to compensate for the managers weaknesses.

    That applies to all walks of life. It is the manager that must adapt his tactics to suit the team rather than the players having to adapt their style to suit the tactics.

    Of course there has to be a little give and take but the likes of Cabaye will always be a good player not a great one whilst having to sit so far back and see the ball hit over his head.

  • 76 Beattie25 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    geordieracer

    It was decent enough. It was never good, it bordered on awful but it wasn’t as bad as what was to follow.

    I’d rather watch a Roeder team than Pardew, Kinnear etc…

  • 77 croftus5678 // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    kk was a good manager when teams did not know how to attack and most looked at arsenals defensive game as there structure (he’s not that great a manager in todays game)

    personally i love the fact our defence is sorted out for probably the first time in 20 or so years (before kk’s entertainers)

    its only our final third thats missing now due to injuries/loss of form and lack of players ! my thnkings like transfers we need fast skillfull wingers (like arfa but not injured) with a good cross and a striker or 2 who can score but like transfer say’s they dont come cheap even the young ones (which is prob why they gambled on amalfitano)

  • 78 low fell mag // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    What a lot of ngative crap been wrote on this site.You seemed to have forgotten we are in the QF and all you can do is slag the manager the coaches the players.I would hate to be in the trenches with you lot .Support your team not slag them you sad lot.The Chav.

  • 79 daztoon // Apr 4, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    @croftus5678
    Are you kidding how many goals have we shipped this season and Saturday could have been more than four.When we should have won the league 96 our defence was pretty good for the attacking we did

  • 80 Graeme // Apr 4, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    “If we can shock them in that opening period, we might get something out of the game.”

    Errr, just exactly when was the last time we actually started a game in such a manner?? If we are really lucky, we usually start about 20 -25 minutes after the game starts, most games its actually after half-time before we decide to “turn up”.

    If we follow Pardeaux’s usual pattern, we could be 3 – 0 down by the time we wake up.

    He truly needs to get a grip on this game, with every player fully committed to a battle, from whistle to whistle. Can he do that?

  • 81 croftus5678 // Apr 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    @78

    to be fair half of the season was a different defence than it is now and yes i know about last game but if said to me the names hairdryer/santon/collo/saylor/mbiwa/debuchy i would call that a lot better than avg defence so i do think our defence is a hell of a lot better yes.

    and kk had attackers for defenders not defenders themselves (howey=used to be striker/albert=10+goals a season for a defender/watson=also played as striker/peackock=bloody useless unless scoring from a corner)

  • 82 toonicle // Apr 4, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    We just need that one all important away goal. A 2-1 loss would be fine with me.




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