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Have Newcastle Bid For Congolese Striker?

2:00 pm, Friday, April 5th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 192 Comments

There is news in the Daily Express today that an English club has bid for 27 year-old Anderlecht striker Dieumerci Mbokani, and while we’d be surprised if it was Newcastle – you just never know.

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Dieumerci Mbokani – Anderlecht’s 27 year-old striker

Newcastle are linked because we need at least one new striker in the summer to replace the departed Demba Ba, whom we failed to replace in January, after he had left for Chelsea, and we were linked with Mbokani last November.

Dieumerci’s agent Christophe Henrotay has now said that an offer for the player was made for his client in January, but it was turned down:

“Mbokani is having a great season and I can confirm interest from clubs across the continent.” “Juventus, Inter Milan and Fiorentina are all keen on him but nothing has been discussed as yet.”

“I can confirm that there was a bid from an English club in January. I will not reveal the name of that club.”

The first thing to realize is not to take anything seriously that an agent says, because they are simply trying to drum up interest and news on their client, so he can be sold and they can get paid.

Mbokani was brought in from Monaco in the summer of 2011 to Anderlecht to replace Romelu Lukaku, who joined Chelsea and is now on a season long loan deal at West Brom.

Mbokani has a very good goals record at Anderlecht, and in 45 games has scored 31 goals for the side, but how he would perform at the highest levels in the English Premier League is an open question.

Dieumerci is 27, so he may be too old for Newcastle, and he stands 6’1″ tall and has played 21 times for the DR Congo with 11 goals and was born in Kinshasa, Zaire (now called DR Congo).

We’d be very surprised if Dieumerci Mbokani arrives on Tyneside in the summer, but nevertheless it is possible we bid for him in January, since we also bid for both Loic Remy of Marseilles (he joined QPR), and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang of St. Etienne, who remains a Newcastle target in the summer.

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192 responses so far ↓

  • 1 G // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Cant say I watch much of that league. Is he any good?

  • 2 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Toon Prodigy…

    Lost our star striker.. End of last season Cisse was called our start striker..

    Collo played in nearly every game pre january

    Injuries happen, we bought in 5 players in January – We’re still in a relegation fight..

    SO it’s not the manager fault that the same team from last season, with 6 new players, losing 1 player, is in a relegation battle? It’s not his fault that we have lost games from winning positions due to bad calls tactically..

    It’s not his fault that he encourages a long ball out of defence..

    It’s not his fault that he plays the same 4-5-1 formation ever week against every team.

    It’s not his fault that our defence plays such a deep line that there is a constant 60 yard gap between the back 4 and Cisse

    It’s not is fault that he plays Ben Arfa on his return from 4 months out on a below freezing plastic pitch in Moscow – May aswell have took an axe to his hamstring himself..

    It wasn’t his fault that he has been relegated or sacked at his previous 3 clubs?

    It’s generally just not his fault

  • 3 Alan Pas-de-clue // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    a great striker who has been in form for most of the season. very similar playing style to demba ba, reminds me of lukaku (albeit without the potential). only problem is he isnt the most mobile.

    but with pardews hoofball he would be a good acquisition

    this guy is very similar to bony without the monumental price tag

  • 4 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    Bit like Batafembi Gomis in his playing style.

    Would be a step up from Ameobi.

    Would much rather have Mathias Suarez. Now that would be a signing.

  • 5 G // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    If it’s a choice, I rather still hope we are in for PEA, even if he is being linked with other higher profile teams.

  • 6 bzak12 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    toon252 Class post but you missed out the 16 defeats out of 31 matches, in our relegation season we lost 18.
    Reckon there are more than another 2 defeats on the way!

  • 7 Klatoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Good strength, excellent holdup, decent finishing but no pace.

  • 8 eplforecast // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    This dude looks like DROGBA

    We should sign him

  • 9 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Mathias Suarez just behind Cisse would be a deadly duo, even if Pardew was in charge.

    He was meant to join CSKA for £12 mill but failed a medical.

    I reckon we could get him for about £6 mill due to that and is certainly worth the punt.

  • 10 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:17 PM


    I wasn’t meaning that winning 50% from our last 8 games was us turning the corner….it might be a short term thing…but it could also be the sign of long term improvement, we just have to wait and see.

    I think the points we have got 50% from last 8 games is more important than wins/losses/draws in that time…its points not wins or losses that get you a place in the table and if that is over the season 57 points is a solid return.

  • 11 Alan Pas-de-clue // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    we arent playing any worse football than last season, our luck has just levelled out over two seasons rather than 1

  • 12 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:30 PM


    I see what your saying but you get 0 points from a defeat.

    57 points over a season would mean winning 19 and losing 19.

    A loss on Sunday would reduce your percentage further a win would take it higher. All I’m looking at is 7 points to get to 40 with 7 games left, and I’m not sure if we can either do that.

  • 13 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    * either? even

  • 14 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:32 PM


    Nail on head.

    Our whole focus is on being compact and stealing the odd goal.

    We got lucky last year, we’re unlucky this year but ultimately we are a poor team that relies on the rub of the green.

  • 15 stuart no9 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    beattie – or have teams just sussed us out this season and pards dosnt know how to combat that,????

  • 16 Jail for Ashley // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Toon 252,
    Ashleys a great owner ? Well he hung out the manager you despise to dry last summer and then bought in five players after the rot had truly set in as a panic measure against that golden pot next
    season, and because of that whopping 11M net spend in January a lot of people tend to over look that five stikers have been sold or let go since last summer and one brought in leaving us woefully short up front, a better manager may well have done better this year but then again a different manager may well have walked after winning a double award then being sh1t on by a wonderful boss.

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:40 PM


    Yeh i know…over such a small set of games (8) its difficult to amplify that over the who season…need at least 15 games i’d say to get a decent idea of whether its just a short term or possible long term improvement.

    So by the end of the season, that should be 15 games, so we will have a better idea, although still not complete.

  • 18 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Rob Lee on ESPN –

    “Newcastle don’t put in enough quality into the box”

    Alan Padrew –

    “I’ve seen Rob’s comments, I don’t think its our fault we’re not putting enough quality in, the opposition won’t let us put it in it”

    I agree with Rob Lee – Think our ball into Cisse has been a lot poorer this season than last. But then we don’t really have an out and out winger any more – Jonas and Marv arn’t really wingers, Gouffran is a striker playing on the wing. Jonas can’t cross anyway! I think Cisse would score loads more goals if we had someone who just beat his man and put the ball in the box!

  • 19 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:43 PM


    Bit of both.

    A lot of teams had us figured last season but couldn’t beat us. All teams had to do was watch Tottenham away, Wigan away etc… last year to see how to outfox Pardew.

    We have no luck and a manager who enters a gun fight with a notepad and pencil.

    If he became football adviser at the club he’d have my respect but he is not cut out to be a top level manager.

  • 20 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    beattie and stuart

    I think last season we got a lot of one goal wins…1-0, 2-1 a lot of the time we won.

    This was based us on us having minimal changes to the team week in week out as well as no distractions at all in cups.

    I think that if you are only winning by narrow margins constantly you leave youself open to be punished when things aren’t going 100% your way like whats happened this year.

    What we need though is to find ways to get through this, the poor run we went on before jan cannot be excused or put down to only injuries….we should have picked up more points in that time but we didn’t and now we are paying the price.

    I think we will beat fulham and sunderland and be safe though…then hopefully build for next year.

  • 21 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    I can’t help but feel that you’ve got it spot on there, the only thing that we can hope for in the transfer window in the summer is that past mistakes will not be replicated and those areas we are short in (mainly up front) are amply strengthened so that Pardew is not in the same position at the start of next season where he only has 3 (2 now after sale of Ba) recognised first team strikers to choose from, one of whom is well past his best.

  • 22 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM


    much the way martin o’neil walked out on villa when they stopped backing him…not all will put up with that.

    Although in europe a lot do as managers don’t always have a say in who comes in or clubs don’t have money to spend.

  • 23 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Jail for Ashley –

    Why is it you always mention net spend!

    Get over it – Carroll was sold ages ago, the £35 million has gone, we have bought in over 5 full internationals since Carroll ..

    We turned a profit this season.. One of a very few clubs in the full English league pyramid!

    Gouffran, Cisse, Ameobi, Campbell – All strikers, we only play with one striker, how many more do you want!

    He tried to sign Remy , we got screwed over in that department.

    You’re living in the past!

  • 24 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    For me investment comes second to the quality of the manager.

    A great manager will get points on the board with or without investment.

    A poor manager hides behind it or can only win because of it.

    What’s the point in backing Pardew with great talent if he is going to waste them?

    If we are going to invest it must be with a new manager at the helm.

  • 25 Krul to be Kind // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    this lad is not the top drawer ‘younger’ striker we need

    In fact, I think this lad is gash and is just bullying his way through the Juniper league, he will be found out if and when he goes to a big boys league, I’m almost certain that was the case when he was at Monaco

  • 26 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    People say Pardew did great last season and that he won the award and blah blah blah.

    What’s to say a better manager wouldn’t have got us into the CL last season or a manager with more balls would’ve forced Ashley to invest due to the success?

    Those scenarios are equally as likely as another manager walking due to lack of investment.

    I’d rather have a manager expose the real Ashley than listen to the organ grinders monkey every soddin week.

  • 27 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Alan Padrew –

    “I’ve seen Rob’s comments, I don’t think its our fault we’re not putting enough quality in, the opposition won’t let us put it in it”

    That has to be Pardew`s most stupid comment to date
    maybe next it will be the opposition wont let us tackle em or Cisse is the only player they will let into the penalty area

  • 28 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM


    Spot on, David Moyes is testament to this.

    We have 4 recognised strikers, we only play with one..

    The start of the season we had BA/Cisse/Ameobi

    How many more people want? Only one striker plays!

    These people are still hurting over Carroll – They are the ones who call us a selling club although we’ve only sold 2 big players in the past 3 years!

    One for £35m and one because of a clause!

  • 29 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:53 PM


    There is a balance to be had though….sir alex ferguson wouldn’t have wiagn at the top of the league and pardew wouldn’t have man utd in our position.

    So that shows there must be some balance to be had. There are two questions we need to ask if pardew’s position is to be considered.

    1. who is the best manager we will be able to attract

    2. how much more could he get out of the squad than we currently are getting.

    I don’t know the answer to question 1…but i do think a better manager could get a lot more from this team.

    Doesn’t mean I want Pardew out, wouldn’t really complain if he was replaced by a better man, but I’d strengthen in the summer, give him next season and see what happens…see if he improves our play to the level it could be (not world beaters, but better than we currently are)

  • 30 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:55 PM


    I know mate – I was in stitches when I read that! Like you said, what’s he want, Risse in next game just to stand by and let Jonas cross the ball!

    We haven’t scored from a set piece in over 60 games!

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:56 PM


    we are light up front though…we have cisse, gouff and ameobi

    ameobi is not good enough, great lad just not what we need as a starting option….cisse is a good player but has no real competition…..gouff we haven’t seen as a striker yet but he is needed on the wing currently so not much of an option up front.

  • 32 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:57 PM


    What happens if we are in the Championship next season?

    Would you give Pardew another year then?

    If we stay up, does he deserve recognition for fighting off relegation?

    My answer is no to both!

  • 33 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 2:59 PM


    Well if we go down he must go…i cant see that happening…might be naive but i just don’t think it will happen.

    And it all depends, I’m not for or against pardew staying…if we can get a better manager go for it…if not then stick with him for the time being and see how much we can improve.

    A lot depends on the last 7 games….0 wins and he must walk…7 wins and we do quite well.

  • 34 Jamiemac // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:00 PM


    No it’s not his fault

  • 35 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:01 PM


    We do need to replace Ameobi, 1100% right on that – I still think people have over talked the striker debate this season.. When Pardew had Ciss/Ba he still played Cisse/Ba on wing over Marv! If we bought Remy i think he’d be on the wing!

  • 36 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    People say judge Pardew when everyone is fit.No manager has his best players available week in week out and what we think is his best 11 is not what he see`s as his best 11.Jonas would be in his first 11 for starters and most people don`t even want him anywhere near the first team.
    One player he has to find a place for is Marv even last night he found Cisse with a killer pass

  • 37 Alan Pas-de-clue // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    i dont see why people persist to back pardew by pointing out ashleys failures in the summer transfer window.

    everybody is allowed to make mistakes as long as they learn from them.,

    ashley realised his mistake and rectified this in the summer.

    pardew makes the same tactical mistakes week in week out yet pardew lovers are happy to back him

    on the pitch, i do not condone hanging santon out to dry for one mistake last night.

    however he doesnt track back after running forward leaving us monumentally exposed and it is this that he hasnt learnt from that grinds my gears.

  • 38 Alan Pas-de-clue // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    rectified this in january*

  • 39 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:04 PM


    I understand what you are saying but if Pardew was in charge of Man Utd he’d wouldn’t be anywhere near top 4.

    Man U are a team of over achievers with an amazing manager. Pardew couldn’t handle that job.

    Sir Alex at Wigan would have them considerably higher than bottom 4 where as Pardew would have them bottom.

    That’s the difference. Of course investment is important but not as important as the right manager.

    No investment in the Summer and an average manager equals relegation scrap.

    If Ashley wants us to be a top 10 team we will have to invest heavily into the team because we have an average manager. Alternatively if he wants to have a stable ‘top 10’ team and not invest in new players, he needs to invest in a new manager.

    If he wants success (as we all do) we need investment into the team and manager or else we’ll be the epitome of mediocrity.

    As for which managers we could attract. I think managers in the top 6 of the French, Belgian, Dutch, Portugese, Norwegian, Swedish leagues could be interested and perhaps top 8 Spanish, German or Italian club managers.

    I’d go for Frank De Boer. He might want to prove himself in the PL but won’t be offered a Manchester or top London job yet.

  • 40 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    Alan pas de clue

    Yeh that is an issue with santon.

    But Ashley hasn’t shown he has put it right yet. He has corrected the symptom but has he corrected the source of the problem?

    He needs to show this summer that he will invest, not bothered how much but we need 3/4 first team players. Whether they are 1 or 10 mil each I don’t care, as long as they are good.

  • 41 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:06 PM


    I just think if we wan’t to go to the next level Pardew can’t be here next season!

    I think this year has proved how out of depth he is! Not just tactically but in the press as well –

    He constantly says how other teams are a lot better than us! Last season he said we are past where Everton are, this season he said they are a better team.

    If he believes what he says in the press, then he’s a madman, he says things like we controlled the game but they got some luck (Most games this season he’s said this), in reality we got hammered and only played well for 15 minutes!

  • 42 beefman13 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Winnable games coming up, yes! loseable games coming up yes!

    Fulham are dangerous because they can play with a freedom without anxiety because they are safe, we of course cannot and have played with anxiety all season IMO, we can start the game and go hunting for the opening goal, we can get the goal and we need to seek the second if this happens, if we di the usual it is going to be one hell of a tense afternoon, whatever it is going to be tense in my view.

    The benfica game speaks for itself, we have nothing to loose, we turned a potential fabulous situation in to an uphill task, we can give it a real go of course, WE HAVE TO, AP has moaned all season about Europa causing problems with the premiership form and injuries sustained in it, he may now get his wish and we could go out lets wait and see.

    The mackem Game with the arrival of benito mussolini on the touchline is going to be tough as well no doubt, he will have them fired up no doubts, its all been said injuries and Europa etc, we still had the staff to be no where near were we are the manager picks the team and tactics, the buck stops with ALAN PARDEW!!!!

  • 43 wreker16 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    To be honest I thought its such a shame that we didn’t invest last year. After finishing 5th we could have attracted so many good players and… ARGH!!!!!!!

    With regards to transfer sages point, I believe we might struggle a bit to attract the kind of coach that we could have done last year. Whilst you can’t sack a manager after he’s won manager of the year, no matter how jammy he was, our position has altered massively.

    We are now relying on the supposed quality of our squad for a better manager as opposed to a team that finished in 5th.

  • 44 Alan Pas-de-clue // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    transfer sage i agree

    the real proof will be in the summer, but by all accounts pardew will get backing. however with no europe next season, aside from a st and winger and replacing anyone that leaves our squad is big enough

    our biggest signing we could make would be a new manager. one with some tactical sense. personally i would like a young french manager

  • 45 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Pardew got backing in January though – He had 5 new players brought in!

    He will have had over 15 games with the new players since then!

    How much more backing does he need?

  • 46 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:10 PM


    In not sure pardew wouldn’t have man utd in top 4…they have an amazing squad…best forwards in the country, solid defence, and a decent midfield with good wide men.

    I see you point but think you have taken it to an extreme.

    In general I agree though…spurs sacked Harry redknapp to go for top 4 after feeling he had a poor half season.

    For every time replacing a manager fails it also succeeds somewhere so if we scout a manager as well as players we could be onto a great thing.

    I’m not attached to pardew the same way I’m not attached to players…appreciate what you have but never be afraid to upgrade of you can.

  • 47 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM


    I still think we could attract a top manager because of the quality of the players we currently have and the fans passion which is world renowned.

    Also a better caliber of manager attracts better players. Imagine Laurent Blanc coming in, lots of players would be attracted by his arrival.

    I’m sure a lot of foreign players think Alan Pard-who?

  • 48 Jail for Ashley // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Alan pas de clue ,
    I don’t think that there are many Pardew lovers on here at all but a good few that think the stick he gets is a little bit unfair.

  • 49 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    End of the day, we are all Newcastle United fans – We all want to win things, we all want to see good players at our club, we want to see attractive players..

    Personal views aside, i wouldn’t care who’s in charge as long as the above things happen, whether it be Pardew or any other manager in the world!

  • 50 Alan Pas-de-clue // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    i think cabaye and benny could have a massive influence on potential managers, for all of our good players these are the ones you think, yeah these are a cut above (and arguably krul)

  • 51 toon252 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    LOL @ when Pardew was talking himself in the role of England manager HAHAHAHA

    I remember one press conference and he was like, is it right that I am considered, definatley, should I get the job, not yet, maybe in the future, it should go to Harry!

    Again hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    Look at Swansea…got laudrupp. He might not be a hugely experienced manager but I bet he wasn’t short of offers.

    I’m sure a lot of managers would come to work with our squad in the premier league. I don’t think lack Of options will be out problem

  • 53 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:19 PM


    Man Utd have no target men, how would Pardew get them playing fast counter attacking football?

    He would ruin Man Utd as the players there do not suit his footballing ethos.

    They are a good team and have several great players but there is a reason why most Man Utd fear for the future when Fergie leaves.

    Redknapp is another half decent manager that only finds success through solid investment. We can see that at QPR.

    What we need is a young manager who can change our footballing style and bring the best out of the players.

    All I can say is that if we played like Swansea, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea etc… the whole keep the ball, attack, pass and move then with the players we have we’d be top 6.

    With more investment alongside a new manager who knows where we could be?

  • 54 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Much better for stability is to use APs positive skills and abilities and bring in specialist coaches who know the modern game. The critical weakness is that Llambias isn\t a football man so doesn’t have a depth of knowledge of the game that can challenge Pardew. When Laudrup was brought in at the Swans they knew what they wanted – Huw Jenkins has been with the club over ten years since the 2001-2 takeover when it nearly went under. He is very hands-on. They know they’re not going to keep Laudrup for long and we can’t be in the same mould of bringing in guys with something to prove who move to bigger clubs after two years or so. IMO Carr should be scouting for skills and tactical coaches too.

  • 55 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    This is Pardew only skill to talk shite

    Alan Padrew –

    “I’ve seen Rob’s comments, I don’t think its our fault we’re not putting enough quality in, the opposition won’t let us put it in it”

  • 56 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:34 PM


    I think you’re wrong in your assessment of Pardew – he knows what he wants in terms of passing game but not quite how to get it. He is a classic nearly man. He doesn’t have the full suitcase of coaching skills (or even a coaching team at the club) to get 100% out of the players – he can get 85-90% but that isn’t enough in this league.
    I don’t have your anti-Pardew baggage but still recognise we’re a ‘close but no cigar’ side at present.
    There’s more than one way of skinning a cat and we need better technical coaching – and probably conditioning too. Personally I’d want a top sports psychologist as the lads’ concentration is shocking at times. Think we have a role for Pardew but need to bolster first team coaching as a priority – I don’t believe as you do that we are a big enough club yet to get an absolute top draw manager in but might find some great coaches. It is not just one man who is the problem – it is bigger than that

  • 57 belgrade fan // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Fulham will be without Sidwell, De Jagahk, Diarra, Petric maybe and 1 or 2 more players. If we cant beat f…ng Fulham on SJP who will play without several players and without motivation, then f it. But with out manager of the universe- everything is possible. Cant see us reaching higher level with this man

  • 58 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    At what price do we achieve stability?

    For me the key to stability is keeping the owner, MD, backroom staff and best players at the club. It’s about growing the youth infrastructure and building foundations from first 11 to grass roots.

    Ridding ourselves of Pardew would not make us unstable. Much like selling Colo in the Summer won’t.

    Better to fire Pardew this Summer and bring in a young manager who we can all get behind and allow to grow the football team we want NUFC to be than have stability for 8 years that consists of a man we never wanted, forcing us to watch football we all hate and watching some of the finest players to grace our club look like amateurs.

    If stability meas missing out on the opportunity to rebuild the club into the great club we know it can be then I’d take instability every time.

    Everton fans gave Moyes a chance because they saw a change on the field, the same with Man Utd and Ferguson all those years ago.

    Have we seen any progress in 2 1/2 years? What do we think we’ll look like in 5 years under Pardew?

    Sack him and bring in a modern manager to make the club a modern team.

    I’m sick to death of watching this carbon copy of the 2000’s West Ham team, the 1990’s Wimbledon club, the 1980’s Crystal Palace squad, the 1970’s Milwall team, the 1960’s Leyton Orient squad etc……

  • 59 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Personally I think Pardew gets a raw deal, it seems to have transpired that no matter what Alan does he will be annoying one section of supporters over the other, and vice versa if he does opposite.

    We have Pardew for the foreseeable, I prefer to think that with the right backing he could do very well and he was let down when he needed the board to back him.

    Comparisons with SAF (the greatest manager of all time) would make any manager look poor. Is he the best manager we could ever get? Not by a long shot, but he is the man in charge right now so I think we should support him.

  • 60 belgrade fan // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Fulham without Sidwell, De Jagahk, Petric maybe, Diarra and 1 or 2 more. No motivation, we play on SJP. but with our manager of the universe- not sure even for a point. really cant see us to reach higher level with this man.

  • 61 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM


    One man isn’t the problem but you have to start at the heart of the issue.

    If we are to become a top club that has top coaches, sports specialists and more then we need a modern thinking manager who has dealt with this already and knows European and world football to take the helm and run the show.

    Otherwise Pardew will be like a deer in the headlights and won’t have a clue whats going on.

    Ferguson has had to relearn his trade but he is a special kind of manager.

    Successful English coaches are a dying breed because they have lived in a footballing bubble for so long.

    The landscape has changed and managers like Alan are about as useful as Cabaye with a corner and less successful.

    Simply bringing in new coaches won’t work unless they have a manager to manage them.

  • 62 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    We can all see in patches what a good side we have but we need someone to take those players where they should be not where they could be

  • 63 Toon-Prodigy // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:44 PM


    Cisse, your not blaming Pardew for a striker not firing this season? All strikers go through poor spells? Cisse has had the chances to have had bagged 20 goals by now. He’s been poor.

    Colo has been poor by his standards. Again, nothing to do with Pardew. He has had his own issues. Thats when he has been available. Perch and Williamson are useless playing CB.. Thats the quality we have had to cover. Again, I point out the quality in our squad and lack of sufficient cover since the start of the season. No consistent back four. Anita, ferguson, williamson, colo, perch, simpson, santon have all featured and been involved.

    “Injuries happen”.

    They certaintly do, but no where near what we have sustained and the timing of the key players being unavailable. The cover has been shocking and we have had to delve into the youth setup. Graham Carr has even spoke how it is a total one off. Pardews Fault?

    So why do we expect amazing results and performances with players out of position? Or the likes of Obertan, Ferguson, Sammy Ameobi slotting in for Ben Arfa. Or Perch standing in for Taylor, Colo, Williamson at CB? I mentioned in January we had 56 injuries in the first 6 months of the season. Key players, reserve players where we had to delve into our youth to fill our bench. Is this Pardews fault?

    Encourages long balls out of defence:

    This is false, I’v personally seen him go mad when this has occured.

    “Plays the same 4-5-1 every week.”

    Up until January, we played what we could and to our strengths with what was available. What we had available pretty much dictated our tactics. We never had the luxury of tinkering. We simply played to what we had. Who could argue that with everyone available and ready to play, coupled with a run in a consistent starting 11 we would be sitting where we are watching better football? We would be sitting pretty. A number of circumstances have prevented that. These have not been no bread and butter injuries either. Key players have been missing all season for extended times. Not that it matters, because if your missing one, two, three players at a time with no experienced quality to come in of course your going to struggle. Or at least not perform to your best.

    Ben Arfa, c’mon now. Do you not think he was given the green light to play him? This is professional football man. He was passed as fit but had a relapse. This is nout to do with Pardew. Thorough checks would of been made first.

    Sacked, relegated. How many other coaches have suffered the same fate? does it mean they are bad coaches? What about exceeding everyones expectations last yr and finishing 5th? Narrowly missing out on CL football? Manager of the year? Quarter finals of the Europa League?

    No one is saying he is amazing or perfect. He is just not to blame for our current predicement. There are a number of reasons.

    Players not being good enough is rising to the top of my list now.

    Ben Arfa

    Not good enough this season on the pitch when available. You can change all the tactics you please, but when players are not performing and so many of them at once your going to hit problems.

    As for last season and the team we had. We were lucky with injuries. This proves how important it is to have rythmn and a winning formula. Something we have lacked and been unable to achieve this season.

    Im off for today lads, work tonight. Catch ya’s in a bit.

  • 64 stuart no9 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    have to agree with some on here ” the opposition wont let us ” had me soiling myself. i mean how selfish of them! we let them put perfectly good crosses into the box for their attackers to score , the least they could do repay the compliment<haha. i wonder if pards knows thats where we maybe going wrong.
    an all time classic.

  • 65 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:50 PM


    IT could go back and forth for all eternity.

    You say these players aren’t playing well, we say why arent they playing well?

    You say Cisse has missed 20 sitters and has been poor, we ask why has he missed those 20 sitters and been poor?

    People try and absolve Pardew but to me Cisse (like the others) looks like he has been damaged by playing out of position, looking unfit, not having confidence and having too much pressure put on him.

    It is a strikers perogative to get into enough poisitons to miss 20 sitters a season.

    The problem is that if Van Persie misses 20 sitters he has another 40 chances created. Cisse has 1 or 2 chances every 2-3 games.

    All things that are down to the manager.

  • 66 John Tudor // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    he is not equipped to manage h/pools

  • 67 Ben3arfa // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    It was Fullham not us that bid for him

  • 68 stuart no9 // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    dark side @57—” i think pards gets a raw deal ” an 8 year contract for some one who has won jack sh/t is the best deal any manager has on this planet.

  • 69 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    someone should have a word with Marin Jol if he wouldn`t mind letting us get some crosses in please.
    How the hell can anyone back a manager who comes out with stuff like that.The only person he doesn`t blame his himself

  • 70 The next Mike Williamson // Apr 5, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    It’s funny how Pardew’s always harping on about a period of the match we played decent in, like we played brilliant for 20 minutes. He never mentions the oter 70 minutes where we played rubbish.

    When we get thumped it’s no good coming out and saying we were as good as anyone for a 15 second spell. Have we even played good for a full match this season? perhaps Bordeaux when the reserves won 3-0 or when we beat a dismal Wigan at home.

    I think it’s time for a vote on Pardew

  • 71 stuart no9 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    how is any critisism at pardew unfair ? we are talking about a guy who has got the single longest contract inworld football, and has never won ANYTHING. think about it lads.

  • 72 John Tudor // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    whats the point he is a cack plum

  • 73 Earl // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    lets be fair lads, Whether you love Pardew or hate him, he is more than likely going to be around for the foreseeable future. Hes kinda like Shola, but certainly not as loveable! What i’d like to see is a direction of the way we are going to play. I’ve seen too many changes in a game where as a team, we don’t know whether to play direct (hoofball as we call it ) or possession or even counter. If you watched yesterday, the commentator was right in saying there were huge gaps between defensive line and midfield, where their player Rodrigo was finding loads of space. first 20 minutes couldn’t have gone better, soaked up early possession then killed them with pace on the counter. Then for some reason our midfield pushed up while our defensive line got deeper, leaving huge gaps in between, which I thought caused the equaliser. Its that kind of discipline which we need to work on, as we are shipping to many goals in this fashion (okay last nights goals were mostly self inflicted). I’ve seen too many games this season, where there is a lack of tactical awareness on the pitch, and it’s not just our manager either. its equally the players responsibility

  • 74 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:07 PM


    Pardew was rewarded with a contract for guiding us to European football for the first time in 8 years, for our highest finish since 2004, all in only our 3rd second season back in the top flight.

    The “raw deal” I referred to was the intensity of the criticism he has received this season despite the fact that even with injuries plaguing us the entire season he has still managed to guide us to the last 8 of the Europa League which is a fantastic achievement.

    We have under-performed in the league but I personally think that there are other factors that are as important as Pardew in determining why we are where we are.

  • 75 beefman13 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    We have such a sticky run in, not one banker game, even QPR who may be down by then, will then have all the shackles released and can play with a fluency, if we are not safe with two to go, and the gooners the last game, the coins in the air, we need some of last seasons luck to pull us through, I think the negativity we have shown deserves some of the bad luck we have had, fortune favours reams that keep pushing, not teams that pull the reigns in when they think they have done enough.

  • 76 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Alan Pardew recent quotes:

    (After the Benfica loss) ”I’m overjoyed with the performance but not the result”

    (Before Benfica here is his rallying cry) ”Mission impossible? There is never a mission impossible!” Pardew said.” But we know it is a tough ask.”

    (Talking about Danny Simpson before the Man City match) ”Trust me, he’s motivated to play well.”

    (Talking about relegation after City defeat) ”Until you get to 40 points you are never out of it. We haven’t really looked away from that. ”

    (Talking about Premiership survival and the game against Anzhi) ”That’s done, we won’t worry about that now. What we’ve done is set ourselves up for what I’m hoping is going to be a special night for us.”

    (After the Stoke win)” It was a very important win for us, because it jumps us right up the Premier League and gives us a chance to attack the top ten.”

    (About Colocinni before a broken back was confirmed) ”I don’t think it’s that worrying, but it is a back injury, so we have to be careful. I think a couple of weeks”.

  • 77 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:20 PM


    I think out run in is pretty good. No games are easy but we don’t have any of the top 4 to play and with home games against Fulham and Sunderland we have a great chance to pick up a few points. At least 4 in the next two games I think.

  • 78 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    yeah and broke records for the wrong reason too.
    Southamton were doing ok by their standards and were slated for sacking adkins and bringing in a relatively un-known manager who couldn`t even speak english.Look how he has got the same bunch of players playing

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:22 PM


    I can’t be bothered to investigate so fair enough if you don’t believe me.

    But if you look through all mangers comments throughout a season there will be tons of contradictions from week to week.

  • 80 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    Classic Alan Pardew quote from his time at West Ham:

    ”I enjoy big games and I usually win them.”

  • 81 Jonny // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    Since when was 27 too old? How old is debuchy? 28? Experience is invaluable, something we have none of. Look at man utds spine. Vidic, carrick and van persie. All over the age of 30. Can’t just sign loads of kids.

  • 82 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Of course managers makes mistakes, some even say they’re fascists, however you must agree that Pardew says more wrong than right.

    If not then I must accuse you of blindly defending the indefensible.

  • 83 Williamsonsuks // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Ed have you thought about releasing an andoid app for the blog?

  • 84 Williamsonsuks // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:30 PM


  • 85 stuart no9 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    darkside – so what about now when he is steering us towards relegation ? does he still deserve that 8 year contract or was ash being a tad premature.?

  • 86 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    @Transfer Sage
    yeah there are comments and then there`s Pardew`s were not being allowed to get quality crosses in ive never heard anything so stupid like that before have you

  • 87 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:35 PM


    I’ll give you that one, its a classic. Maybe that’s why santon and simmo allow everyone to cross the ball? Haha


    Yeh he does talk rubbish in the press but it doesn’t concern me. The stuff he says in private is more important and sadly we don’t know what he says there. I think he just tries to play mind games/act clever but it doesn’t work.

    For me this is all a sideshow…our form, even with all the problems to the squad, has been below the level it should be. That’s the one and only issue that concerns me.

  • 88 stuart no9 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    darkside also dont you think it would have been wise for ash to have hung onto that 8 year contract untill the 2nd season just in case the 1st one was a fluke , which incidentally it has turned out to be.?

  • 89 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    It’s easy to use comments to make your point when you only put up half of them!!!
    Every manager in the league contradicts himself throughout the season
    Christ wenger n ferguson make tw@’s of themselves everytime they open there mouth

  • 90 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:38 PM


    And in fairness if you know you have made mistakes and are struggling to correct them, especially in a cut throat business like football management, I’m sure you would try and shift blame elsewhere too. Well not sayin you personally but people in general.

    I imagine where you work is like most places, you have people who aren’t very good at their job always making excuses.

  • 91 beefman13 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Sage, of course on paper we are looking at getting the three, tomorrow, but ive mentioned all the pressure is on us, I reckon every team will be looking at us with a chance of getting three points during the run in, we are not mixing tactics up enough, teams just know for sure how we are going to play, they know that our wide men have no assists and are not a real danger, I mean Jonas, come on, yet again no assist, decent first twenty mins then did not touch the ball after that yet gets the full 90 mins, young Campbell maybe the fastest of the last man in the prem, I have seen him many many times and would have been perfect for the high line yet Pardew pulls Marv off ( he only had a touch of cramp) marv kep on and campbell coming on could have provided us with a lovely second goal and a massive chance next Thursday.

    Pardew has not changed tactics no where near enough at any time and his cautiousness has been beyond the joke on many occasions, this has virtually always resulted in negative results this season.
    Teams hyave us sussed this one up front is sopredictable and so out of order, teams have a head start when they get here, Pardew has been found out, but he always gets found out were ever he has been, and that’s a fact.

    If he aint going to get the sack and keep carver as well then we need to bring in a really experienced winning tactically sound foreign coach to work with our foreign players, we cant have another season of Pardew excuses, I cant take them and neither can a lot of other fans.

  • 92 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:43 PM


    I didn’t only put up half, I just put up the ones I saw first from the thousands online. It would years to list all his funny quotes.

    Difference is is that Ferguson and Wenger can afford to make contradictions pertaining to their teams standings and results.

    We can’t be out of the relegation battle one minute and in the next, that’s just stupidity and more backtracking from PL manager of the year 2011/12.

  • 93 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    @Transfer Sage
    Excuses only last for so long though before you get found out.Everyone gets tested in what ever profession at some point and can blame not having the right tools or materials but its how you cope with what you have available that makes you stand out or not

  • 94 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:44 PM


    Yeh I know what your saying, I just think we will beat Fulham…they haven’t impressed me a lot. Rely on berbatov too much so an off day from him or if we mark him well we stop them.

    And yeh I agree on Campbell. I’ve wanted him involved all year. However I think not playing him last night wasn’t a bad call, I’d have played him more this year so he had experience. With only minutes of first team experience last night could have been a huge gamble so I see why he wasn’t played.

    But he shoul have featured more by now so he would have been used to the first team and therefore less of a gamble.

  • 95 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    I wish we going after 26 year olds or younger, I know there’s only 1 year different between mob kanji that is 27 , but soon he’ll turn 28 then he’ll have a couple of years before he’s no good

  • 96 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    How does mbokani turn out to say mob kanji?? This auto correct is bollocks

  • 97 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:51 PM


    Management in a ‘normal’ job is not too dissimilar to Football management. Yes the arena is incredibly different but the fundamentals are the same.

    A manager must lead, pick the right staff for the good of the team, put those staff members in the positions they are best at, face backlash if things go wrong, hold their hands up and aim to do better in the midst of criticism, show progress, know how to get better results than other managers, maintain the respect of the punters, adjust things when circumstances change the environment, be professional and be the face of the company, truthfully pass on the word of higher level management so the team and the punters fully understand what’s going on, not make false promises, motivate the team in order to hit targets, be fired if the results are continuously poor etc….

    It’s not that different.

    Many think I’m saying Pardew is a bad man, I’m not. I’m saying he’s a bad manager.

  • 98 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Lol bet you checked twice when you put Leazes end

  • 99 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    Quick question to TADS, Transfer and whomever else thinks Pardew should be given another year, if a manager like Frank De Boer was interested would you rather give Pardew that year and miss out on De Boer or go for Frank and dump Pardew?

  • 100 Transfer Sage // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM


    I’ve said all along If a much enter manager was available I’d go for him. Same way I’d dump cisse if it meant we got Suarez.

    Not excusing his behaviour just saying people make excuses in all professions

  • 101 NobbyNolano // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Doubt it. Need at least a striker and another creative midfielder in the summer though.

  • 102 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:10 PM


    So considering how many good young managers there are out there in Europe would you not actively look to upgrade Pardew sooner rather than later?

    If Pardew was a player he’d be a Simpson. Sturdy, good to call on but often makes errors.

    We didn’t settle for Simpson and we went out and upgraded for relatively no money. We didn’t sign Danny Alves but we signed one of the better RB’s in Europe.

    That’s my point. We need to upgrade now rather than later. What’s the point in waiting if you’re going to upgrade anyway.

    We tried to wait for a season with Simpson and look at how that worked out. If we had got Debuchy, Sissoko, Goofy etc… earlier where would we be?

    We shouldn’t have to wait until we’re in this position again. Give him till June and then get rid of Pardew as soon as a replacement is in place.

  • 103 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:16 PM


    You could say that maybe Ashley was a bit premature but it’s an indication that he is willing to support his manager when things aren’t going well, mainly because them upstairs didn’t back him after he guided an average squad to 5th.

    Also in relation to Southampton, yes their play may be somewhat slicker but form wise it is about the same under Pochettino, maybe slightly better with a couple of great results thrown in their. I wouldn’t base any conclusion as to whether it would be right or wrong to sack Pardew on the sole basis of Southampton.

    Nigel Adkins was treated horribly and would definitely have kept them up in my opinion, perhaps even done better than Pochettino. Adkins’ Soton played very good football too.

  • 104 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:16 PM

    *thrown in there

  • 105 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:21 PM


    Have you seen a Southampton game Pre Pochettino and Post Adkins?

  • 106 John Tudor // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    pardew was a player and was crap

  • 107 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    maybe he would have kept them up but they saw a manager that would take them to next level and went for it and it has worked.I would swap him in a heartbeat

  • 108 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:37 PM


    I don’t dismiss that he has improved the style but it remains to be seen whether over the course of a season that he will turn them into mid-table team.

    Let’s not forget that Pardew came into Newcastle while we were a mid-table team and in his first full season got us to 5th.

    If a manager was available that could take us up yet another level then we’d be foolish not to look at those options but comparisons to Southampton’s situation are premature as Pocettino has not even been in charge for half a season never mind a full one.

  • 109 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:37 PM


    Alan Pardew –

    “I’ve seen Rob’s comments, I don’t think its our fault we’re not putting enough quality in, the opposition won’t let us put it in it”
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Is that a true story?

  • 110 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    The only noise on here is axes being ground and agendas being hammered. I hadn’t realised Catchy has so many disciples or so many bloggers on SSRIs. This is just pure depressing, a counsel of despair, hyperbolic exaggeration… anyone want to talk about the Toon and not just the pathological defects of the manager ?

    Any opinions on these rumours about new strikers ?

  • 111 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Have we improved as a side though no.Is Pardew getting the best out the player`s available no.

  • 112 Mister Tuff // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    Percy says he’s a winner.
    Percy says we’ll be ok this season.
    As for the Fulham game I think we’ll put a spoke in their sails or something like that -well you know what I mean.

  • 113 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:44 PM

    Southampton were playing some decent football under Adkins but Pochettino has amplified that hugely.

    They are a more offensive ball playing team. He is a tactical thinker and can see a teams weakness within the game.

    He is a top manager and you’ll see that his record against English managers with generic stubbornness and conventional thought processes will come undone.

    The premier league improved when foreign players came into the game. For me the national game and team can only improve by there being more young foreign managers being here forcing te likes of Allerdyce, Pardew and Pulis to crawl under a hole and stay there.

    The next generation of English managers need to think continental. Ferguson had to up his game against Wenger, Mourinho, Ancelotti and Mancini and he knew he had to. Problem is that the managers I’ve already mentioned are arrogant and stubborn.

    I wan’t our league and more importantly our club to play wonderful football and become exciting again.

    The answer is young foreign managers with experiences all over Europe as players and managers. That is the future, tactical battles on the touchline, exciting fast paced football and technical players.

    We need to move forward and not sit still. We saw what happened by sitting still last Summer.

    Pardew out.

  • 114 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    * will not come undone

  • 115 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    I apologies for my complete abuse of the English language.

  • 116 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:48 PM


    If you study Pardew’s history he generally has a good initial season then is spectacularly found out the following one with disastrous results, ie 2 record losing streaks in 2 different clubs history.

    His daft comments, unfounded arrogance, weak decision making and ultra defensive mindset will not achieve the results required with the great players we have or give us what the fans deserve to see.

    A manager should be able to oversee all aspects not concentrate solely on defence which still leaks a lot of goals and offers us a woeful goal difference in the goals for column.

    Last season largely happened due to the individual brilliance of Ba, Cisse and Benny who created goals out of nothing plus a huge amount of luck. But increasingly last season looks a complete one – off.

  • 117 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:48 PM


    You’re claiming that we don’t play better football now under Pardew than we did under Hughton!? Well I know this is a game of opinions but if you truly believe that then you have a hatred of Pardew that makes it hard for you to see the nose in front of you.

    Yo Yo

    Big game coming up this weekend, don’t like the phrase “must win” game, but if we could manage 3 points then it would alleviate these lingering fears of the R word once and for all as I think 2 wins/6 points between now and the end of the season will be enough.

    Fulham are poor on their travels and our home form is improving so I think we can do it, I’d go 2-0 Toon

  • 118 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:50 PM

    Its called having an opinion as it is a blog for everyone not just the usual arse lickers like yerself.What is depressing is knowing people like you are prepared to put up with mediocre football at best with some of the most talented footballers we have had at the club in years

  • 119 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    Actually it’s defensively where we have lapsed this season, in terms of goals scored we have scored 41, which is the same amount as West Brom in 8th, same as Swansea in 9th, 2 less than Fulham in 10th, 6 more than West Ham in 11th, 3 less than Southampton in 12th, much more than Stoke in 13th and much more than Norwich in 14th.

    The poor defensive record could be attributed to the constant chopping and changing at the back, Krul has been injured a few times this season and we haven’t played the same back 4 for 10 games in a row all season.

    This myth that we don’t/struggle to score goals is exactly that. A myth.

  • 120 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    One thing i don`t hate Pardew i just think instead of making stupid excuses he should be getting more from the players he has available.Also the players he has available as apose to Hughton no we havn`t improved

  • 121 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:56 PM


    You don’t think we played better under Hughton?

    We had a +55 goal difference in the Championship.

    In the Premiership we had notable victories that included 6-0 vs Villa, 1-0 away at Everton, 5-1 against the Mackems and a few others.

    Yeah we had some bad results and the football wasn’t pretty, but it certainly wasn’t as bad as this shower of shit we have to watch every week.

    Hughton used tactics based on the qualities of the team, Pardew uses his tactics based on his history as a second rate manager and a no mark 1980’s south London footballer.

  • 122 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 5:59 PM


    You could argue that Hughton might not have been able to draw players of the calibre that we now have to the club. He may not have wanted to sign the same players that Pardew had wanted to sign etc

    For all the slack that Simmo gets it was Hughton who signed him, Hughton signed Willo, he signed Perch (who was deemed useless until Pardew came to the club), he did sign Tiote (who at his best is brilliant but is still poor technically)

    Pardew signed HBA on a permanent basis, he signed Cabaye, he signed Debuchy, he signed Santon, he signed M’biwa, Sissoko etc all the flair players we have at the club are all Pardew signings. Despite what some feel, Pardew was key to bringing these players to the club.

  • 123 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM


    Short answer, no. We didn’t play good football under Hughton, not by any stretch of the imagination. I am thankful for what he did but with the players we had in the Championship, anything other than romping home with that league would have been a travesty.

  • 124 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    dark side

    Everyone gets a bit sick of the injuries excuse after a while. All teams have them. Wigan had 9 first teamers out one match.

    We had 5 top new players in January with still nearly half a season left to play yet we have still lost the last 5 away games and are 3 points above the drop zone.

    Some people want things to drift but Pardew should have gone before Christmas. I am really really scared we could go down and we should never been in this position with our squad.

  • 125 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:03 PM


    You have no proof of that.

  • 126 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:03 PM

    yeah they are Pardew`s signings scouted by Carr but So is Obertan in place of Routledge so your point being

  • 127 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    I think you`ll find Cabaye had more to do with bringing in the likes of Debuchy etc than Pardew`s influence

  • 128 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    That’s a fair question mate
    I’ve said many times that in the summer the squad needs to be improved, needs to keep heading in a forward direction
    Whether that be through players the academy improving supporting coaching staff or indeed a new head coach then I’ll fully support it as long as it is a forward step not sideways or backwards

    Gotta shoot got a game tonight but good having you back Beattie!

  • 129 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM


    Wigan aren’t exactly coping too well so I fail to see where the injury ‘excuse’ falls on that basis

    We had 11 players out injured at one point and were consistently top of the injury league, disjointed back 4 and key players out missing, on top of the Ba/Cisse crisis in the first half of the season I just don’t see how people can dismiss this as fundamental as to why this season has been a train wreck.

  • 130 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    I’ve always maintained that Simpson, Williamson, Best etc… were signed as a contingency plan in case we found ourselves in the championship again.

    Hughton didn’t have the resources available at the time to sign any better and was never given a chance to see what he could do.

    Look at whom he has signed at Norwich and tell me that they play the football we once did? He is shaping a decent little 4-4-2 on east anglia and they play some decent stuff.

    Better than the battering rams of Steve Morison and Grant Holt under Lambert.

    Yes sometimes they play it long but they are a better footballing team this season than last.

    Saying this I never thought Hughton was the man to take us forward. Pardew isn’t either.

    We all know that a democratic vote takes place on Tyneside when it comes to signing players.

    To credit Pardew totally for them is naive, shortsighted and spinning an argument to suit your cause.

  • 131 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:12 PM


    See you later!

  • 132 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:12 PM


    You’ve no proof for a lot of what you claim, you claimed that it is offensively where we are weak yet the stats seem to prove otherwise.


    And if Cabaye wasn’t convinced by Pardew’s plan for the club would he be trying to bring players such as Debuchy to the club? No, he would be warning them off as well as trying to get out of the club himself.

    Am I alone in this train of thought because I am beginning to feel bombarded by a wave of anti-Pardew sentiment.

  • 133 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM


    Who formulates the squad? Who decides the playing style? Who is the man in charge of tactics? Pardew.

    So would Pardew sign a player if he felt he didn’t suit the needs of how he wanted to play the game? Yes Carr does the scouting but the player must meet certain criteria.

    To dismiss the significance of Pardew’s involvement as anything other than paramount is what some would call naive.

  • 134 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    dark side

    just a thought but do you think he may have told cabaye some porkies !!

    For the first half of this season as Ba and Colo alluded to we played more long balls than stoke. Trust Pardew. hmmm……

  • 135 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    Where did I say offensively we are weak? I said that we don’t create enough chances!

    Also what I speak is opinion, I don’t need proof to spout that. I don’t claim that ‘Pardew was key’ pretending that I know anything about the transfer dealings inside the club.

  • 136 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Who says Cabaye is convinced by Pardew`s plan he hasn`t looked to happy last couple of games and he was captain at that.
    How many people on here have cried out for Guti to be dropped but Pardew still insited on playing him in front or Marv and Anita

  • 137 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:18 PM

    Darkside….You’re not alone, but I’ve had a complete sh*tt*r of a day and wont be diving in to debate today 🙂

    Good luck and enjoy.

  • 138 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:19 PM


    Horses for courses, in order to play any sort of fluid football we would have needed Cabaye. Anita struggled to get to grips with the physicality of the league and Tiote seemed incapable with a ball at his feet.

    In the midst of this disaster I am not surprised Pardew opted for a long ball strategy, perhaps not what he wanted but what he felt was necessary with the players available.

    I think the signings that have been made i.e technically excellent ball players shows at the very least a willingness to try and play technical football when we have those 11 on the field.

  • 139 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    dark side

    wigan have way fewer resources than us

  • 140 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    lol enjoy

  • 141 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    dark side

    horses for courses. Hilarious Anita can’t get a game in Europe because Perch gets ahead of him. Says it all. Marveaux is largely benched, Cabaye is played too deep and Cisse was used as a winger !!!!

    Many of us are us are just ”the man on the street” but the guy in charge paid the big bucks can’t see the obvious.
    We are vastly more resourced than all the bottom 10 teams.

  • 142 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:25 PM


    Not creating chances could be construed as an implication that we are weak offensively. If we didn’t create chances we would not have scored 41 goals this season, my point being that it is our defence, not offence that has been the problem.

    But like yesterday you’re throwing your toys out of the pram, which is why I was ignoring you when you first replied earlier, and only convinces me further that you’re a petulant young man.

  • 143 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:29 PM


    We have the resources, but the players at our disposal were not of the standard required. Bigirimana has played 18/19 times for us this season, Perch was largely a starter (perhaps because Pards wasn’t convinced by Anita) Jonas works very hard, harder than Marv ever worked, and perhaps Pardew valued this more so than flair when we were struggling.

    I disagree about Cabaye playing too deep, I think he is an excellent deep lying playmaker and I fully expect him to be playing there when HBA is fit and playing the No 10 role.

  • 144 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:31 PM

    Cisse on the wing was ridiculous though

  • 145 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:33 PM

    We don`t create many chances because we sit to deep how many players get into the box to support Cisse.We create the pressure on ourselves by dropping to our own 18yard box as soon as we lose possession.

  • 146 yo-yo // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:35 PM


    Predictably no chance of reasonable and informed blog discussion with you then

  • 147 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:36 PM


    For the first 20 minutes of both halves last night we pressed them high, we maintained a higher line than the 18yd box for most of the game.

    I agree that in some games we do sit too deep which invites pressure onto us though. I remember the Southampton game where defenders were retreating to the 18yd box and Pardew was screaming from the touchlne for them to push up, he was livid.

    Defenders sometimes retreat on their own accord, not the manager.

  • 148 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:36 PM

    And I’m convinced your a stubborn old man.

    Your defense of my criticism that we don’t create enough chances is that we have the 12th highest goals scored in the premier league?

    Perhaps our strikers have a better conversion rate or the 9 goals scored from set pieces is above average or the 16 goals we scored in 5 out of the 31 games is point of contention.

    Either way we do not make or create enough chances.

  • 149 Novocastrian66 // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Time and the excuses are running out for Pardew. This week is the biggest week of the season two wins are a must against Fulham and Sunderland. Progression in the Euro league would be a bonus but not essential.
    Pardew needs to get it right or the knives will be sharpened. I’m getting a bit sick of his bull shit excuses for our poor performances.

  • 150 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM

    Maybe if you don`t class someone who has supported the toon over 30 years as a negger or a sheep.

  • 151 Toon-Prodigy // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:40 PM


    Your not alone, keep on keeping on.

  • 152 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    First half yes we were higher up thats why we were in control and if the defence keeps dropping deep then thats Pardew`s job to tell them which last night he didn`t

  • 153 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:43 PM

    Whatever way you look at it Beattie is that you showed your impetuous side yesterday and have done so today. You hammer your opinions down people’s throats and are up in arms if they disagree with you.

    This is only my second day on this site and already I know that I do not wish to discuss things with you because you seem unwilling or unable to do so in a rational way. You begin your summations with the assumption that you’re right, therefore anyone who disagrees is wrong.

    That is no way to enter into a debate, that is probably why you seem so poor at doing just that.

  • 154 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:44 PM

    dark side

    you’ll find cabaye was best when we played 433 before pardew ditched it to keep ba happy. all those through balls to cisse are almost non existent now when he’s so deep..

  • 155 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    I am just wondering if dark side is another alter ego of Ian Toon. Spooky similarities

  • 156 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM


    Playing a high line against attacking players such as Gaitan, Cordozo, Ramos and Rodrigo, would have played right into their hands, there are times to press and times to sit deeper.

    We defended manfully, it took two individual mistakes for them to win the game. From a defensive stand point I thought we did well

  • 157 breno95 // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM

    NUFC v Fulham – line up to play to ensure a win IMO should be
    Anita Taylor Mbwia Haidara
    Tiote & Sissoko
    marveaux cabaye gouffran

    Injuries & form play a part in that line up however it is only 3 players short of the best 11 that we could field in terms of HBA, Debuchy & Colo.

  • 158 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:46 PM


    It’s like arguing the possibility that religion may be fantasy with a creationist, no matter how often I say that it may be true that Pardew isn’t God, you’re going to blindly follow your own version of monotheism.

    Pardew is your God and he cannot do no wrong.

    I want a debate not a lecture based on unoriginal views strengthened by manipulated facts.

    If you think he is the best manager in the world (or even the best manager we can get) that’s your own burden to carry. For me I cannot talk you anymore because like a zealot you cannot open yourself up to others opinions.

  • 159 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM


    And Ian Toon is who exactly? I am not an alter ego of anyone, what exactly do you mean by alter ego? I happily stumbled upon this site yesterday, quickly registered and have blogged/debated like a good un since 🙂

  • 160 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM

    Dark side

    How is it you’re rational and Beattie’s opinions aren’t?
    What makes you any more right and him wrong?

  • 161 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    Dark side

    Fair enough. There is a guy who posts as Ian Toon / Carl / Pushy Pardew with his constant he can do no wrong Pardew love-ins.

  • 162 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:50 PM


    You made an interesting allegory involving a woman yesterday, and now you try to dismiss me as treating Pardew as a deity, which is wholly unoriginal.

    So if I don’t agree with you that Pardew is doing an OK job and that he doesn’t merit the level of criticism levelled at him then I am, in actual fact, worshiping him?

    Ludicrous thought process Beattie.

  • 163 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    Mate was more that two mistakes they pressed us high leading to Santon`s mistake.Krul made some great saves and they missed a couple of sitter`s.How many corner`s did they have around 12 i think to our 0 and we were woeful defending them.Playing deep gave them all the room they needed

  • 164 Toon-Prodigy // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    You got to love this blog 🙂

  • 165 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:53 PM

    When all fit 433


    Debuchy / Santon
    Colo / Saylor

    Anita / Tiote


  • 166 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:55 PM


    I don’t think my opinions are rational and his aren’t, I just believe that he isn’t open to a rational way of discussing the merits of both sides of the same argument, which one needs to do if you are to debate.

    I am understanding of the criticisms Pardew gets, I don’t think they are correct to a degree and I think there are other factors at play, but do I run someone down if they disagree with me and accuse them of some form of pagan worship? No, because that would be irrational.

    On the Ian Toon alter ego thing, well I would like to distance myself from both the many faced blogger and the “Pardew can do no wrong love ins” because I believe Pardew is culpable in many ways, I just happen to think the intensity of the criticism is unmerited, not the criticism itself.

  • 167 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:57 PM


    When have you said he is doing ok?

    As far as I can see anybody who expresses a criticism towards the silver fox is being opposed by your fine self. As far as I can read you are devoutly defending him when people are critical toward him.

    That reeks of worship.

    And who is it that is offering unfair levels of criticism to him? You say you’ve only been on the blog 2 days and as far as I’m aware the local press, players and coaches haven’t said anything untoward. Just faceless names on a computer screen yet you feel the need to disagree with every critique.

    If you are not blinded by the light bouncing from Pardews silver bonce then tell me a criticism you have of our manager and answer the question I put to people earlier.

    If an upgrade comes along in the summer, should we replace Alan?

  • 168 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:58 PM


    Santon was closer the half way line than the 18yd line when he was pressured into that back pass, but at this level you must know how to cope on the ball if you’re pressed.

    Saylor’s mistake had nothing to do with opposition pressure, it was a mistake.

    In terms of clear cut chances Krul probably made about 4 great saves, but likewise we could have scored 3 goals. Benfica’s good play was down to their good play, not sitting deep, in my opinion anyway.

  • 169 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 6:58 PM


    Pray tell how is Pardew doing a good job this season.
    By any right thinking person’s standards we have been awful to watch and attained the worst losing streak in our history and could yet go down.

    If that’s doing a good job with the players we have I’d hate to know what failure looked like because if Pardew is the answer, what the hell was the question?

  • 170 Rotonda heights // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    dark @ 164

    very good post. can’t argue with that.

  • 171 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:03 PM


    Ha. I’m not open to rationally discussing the merits of both sides?

    This coming from a man who openly put that we need to strengthen our strike force in the Summer and then went on to argue the fact that scoring isn’t our problem it’s our defense because we’ve scored 41 goals this season.

    What is your merit and let’s discuss it?!

  • 172 Fridge // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:05 PM

    Maybe it is just me but when i see pardew in the dugouts he is always giving out commands. “Pass it here and there. Throw it This way. Look for sissoko”. Every other manager i see seem to take a step back and observe the game and then only give out tactical information and let the team play. It just annoys me. Has anyone Else picked up on This or is pardew just getting on my nerves:-)

  • 173 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:07 PM


    If you scroll up a little while earlier, or even paid attention what other people write you will see that earlier on I agreed that if a manager was available that presented a significant step up from Pardew that we’d be foolish not to consider him.

    I don’t disagree with people having criticisms, but it seems people are pinning on him the blame for an entire season that cannot solely be put on him. Injuries and lack of investment are crucial as well as making tactical errors have led to this position.

    He is not blameless, he is guilty for not attacking the weaker teams enough, especially at home, most recently home to Stoke it took good fortune rather than good play to win that game and it was incredibly frustrating, with the players on the field we should have had the ball on the deck, backline camped up by the half way line, pressing them for a full 45 mins and be 3 up by half time but he failed to do that.

    I don’t understand why he does that but he does makes errors in his attempts to be compact. Would I like him to be more adventurous? You bet I would, do I think he should be sacked? Not unless Frank de Boer, Laurent Blanc or AN Other top Continental manager is willing to take the reigns.

  • 174 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:09 PM


    I tell you one thing to say you’ve only been on this blog 2 days you have made my return to it fun. Even though you are contradictory, hypocritical and sanctimonious.

    Welcome to the blog.

  • 175 p // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    I think transfers are a moot point right now. It would not matter if we signed Messi.

    The focus is to get the team playing well and effectively. There just not seem to be a system in place to win.

    It’s seems a case of hope our pockets of undoubted class shines through and we hold on without conceding more goals than the opposition.

    I really do think there has to be be big questions marks over the coaching team. I personally feel they have the tools to do the job now and don’t appear to be up to it.

    But things can change quickly in football…

  • 176 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:11 PM


    I don’t think Pardew is doing a good job in the league this season, but post January we have been much better to watch than we were in the first half of the season, so that’s an improvement at least.

    Overall one great season, followed by one awful season would seem to cancel itself out (however our good progress in the EL is a positive spin on this bad season).

    Do I think Pards needs backing both in time and investment? Yes, give him that time and investment and examine him very closely next season.


    Just because we score goals does not mean we do not need another striker. Keep trying at nit picking my arguments, at least it means you’re listening.

  • 177 Jackel001 // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:12 PM

    What’s the thoughts on Rafa being our next manager if these rumors are true that Pards is going to be Director Of Football or whatever. Personally I would welcome him with open arms!

  • 178 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:12 PM


    I reject all your conclusions 😀

    It’s good to be here!

  • 179 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:13 PM


    And if you were to read a little more you will also see that I say that Pardew is not entirely to blame for the horrific season this cub is having.

    There are those of us that think Pardew deserves another chance and those that do not. One thing we can all agree on is this season isn’t down to him solely.

    My argument is that he isn’t good enough to go forward and that a lot of this seasons downfall and lack of major resurgance can be attributed to him.

    I have never said that it’s all Pardews fault, but I will say a better man would have coped a lot more in the face of all the difficulties and we should learn from that and find someone who can not only improve things but cope when they get tough.

  • 180 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:14 PM

    Not denying the mistakes Taylor`s being the biggest howler looked like he was marking Sissoko but 4 great saves and a few missed chances compared to Cisse efforts.We sat deep and more or less play with two fullbacks either side same in the city game.After 15 mins we stopped pressing and let them have the ball and invited them onto us 12 odd corners to 0 tells you how much attacking we did.
    Must say though i thought the ref had a decent enough game

  • 181 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:16 PM


    It is difficult to gauge how individual manager’s would have coped in the face of what Pardew had to face this season.

    I would say that a better manager would get more out of the players we have when we have a fully fit squad to choose from but until we give Pardew the same crack of the whip of having a fully fit squad to choose from and seeing what exactly he can do from it then sacking him would just be premature in my opinion.

  • 182 Beattie25 // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Rafa as manager?

    I can’t help but think that there are cheaper managers with more potential out there but I wouldn’t say no.

  • 183 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:18 PM


    Perhaps we invited them on to us by not pressing as much, but there was no way we could have pressed them like that for 90mins, we’d have been sapped of energy, and with a massive league game coming up we need fresh legs.

    Benfica’s class was always going to show, we nicked the away goal and beating them 2-0 is not impossible. I thought we gave a decent account of ourselves against one of the bigger teams left in the draw.

    After all, these big European nights are why we are in the competition isn’t it?

  • 184 Fridge // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Can someone tell me where these Benitez rumours is coming from please.

  • 185 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    We arn`t fit enough to press for 45 these days never mind the 90.Depends if we get an early goal then maybe there`s a chance but i do think they are more than capable of getting one

  • 186 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:25 PM


    Depends if we can get at Benfica, get that early goal, crowd makes it uncomfortable for them, if they under preform, if we preform like we can then anything is possible.

  • 187 Toon-Prodigy // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Don’t know about anyone else. But im more and more being taken a back by Marveux. He is looking very decent when going through the middle. He’s continuing to impress me. He’s really coming into his own, he’s getting that ball to Cisse and creating.

    I think we should swap him with Sissoko on current form, he will tear into Fulham

  • 188 Sack Llambias // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Dark Side
    I know precisely what you are getting at and feel the same way. This used to be a blog for well thought out debate and not the ill conceived rants regurgitated constantly and open hostility towards anyone with
    a counter view. The very last thing that’s going to persuade me is being importuned in the manner of men with microphones. It’s not a hard sell but a bullying manner totally lacking any humour or style which is shared increasingly by many. I read the Pardew is not demonstrative enough comments which is plain absurd as any fan who watches the games at SJP or on the road will testify. The armchair critic with imagined coaching badges abound. Let’s hope for reasoned debate and a return to former times which will mean were winning consistently. Had just one of Cisse’s post hitting efforts gone in we would now be favourites to go through but if we are to progress we’ll need to convert chances and not make daft defensive errors. None of which were down to Pardew. Looking for a good start on Sunday and with the crowd behind us a moral lifting victory.

  • 189 DarkSideofTheToon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    Ok guys, I know I seem to be ruffling a few feathers and believe me that was not my intention. I think Pardew deserves criticism, but calls for his sacking is a tad premature, that is unless we can make a considerable step up in “quaalitee” as Rafa would say it 😛

    Beattie I don’t think I contradicted myself, perhaps you construed certain things I said as either hypocritical, or contradictory because you were looking to do so but at the end of the day we all love this club, I happen to think Pardew can still do a job, you think otherwise. So be it.

    Happy hunting guys, no doubt I will be around again some time soon 🙂

  • 190 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

    For sure anything is possible look what spurs did at inter but we will need to keep them penned in their own half for most of the game

  • 191 daztoon // Apr 5, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    we gotta find a place for Marv for sure was a killer chip over last night and will always create something for Cisse

  • 192 JAMSHA // Apr 5, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Team For Sunday





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