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Tim Krul Dislocates Shoulder – Out For The Season

3:10 pm, Sunday, April 14th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 88 Comments

On the back of a stunning 3-0 loss to local rivals Sunderland – the news gets even worse for Newcastle, as Tim Krul is out for the season.

tim krul dislocated shoulder

Tim Krul – in pain this afternoon – out for the season

The Newcastle manager Alan Pardew has told the press that Tim Krul has dislocated his shoulder , and after being back only four games from his ankle injury he sustained against Metalist Kharkiv – - he will miss the rest of the season.

Tim fell awkwardly when trying to get to a cross after 55 minutes of the game this afternoon against Sunderland, and it seems he fell on his shoulder and it’s dislocated.

Rob Elliot will come back into the side in place of Krul – for the remaining five league games of the season – and Newcastle still have some points to collect to be safe from relegation.

We are 5 points clear of the drop zone but third bottom Wigan now have two games in hand on Newcastle – and two wins will take them above us in the league table.

It never rains but it pours. :(

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  • 1 toonking // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    manxpie what i am blaming him for is the constant defensive st up he is doing to our team can’t you remember when england failed to qualify for the euro 2008 when macclaean was manager, he did the same thing himself where every time a goal got scored he then defended which caused so many lead to go into draws.

  • 2 hatem786 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD NEWS

  • 3 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    it’s a shame but elliott is a decent stand in. The keeper is our smallest problem i believe.

  • 4 Bambams // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    @kevymartins…

    Fella i have not seen a moment of the match, i managed to keep having a look at the blog and read what you lot were blogging in between my job.

    I do hear several of the boys re we just played on thursday, i am at work now with a former Toon goalkeeper who you can imagine is furious and had seen the match prior to coming to work. from what i gather we were second to everything and saylor did not do too well.

    My biggest issue, no worry is that we are all so crackers about our club do we see more in some of our players that really is not there. I hope i am wrong, this season has been truely woeful and it shudders me to think it will be similar next season.

    re your local team, have they any decent pacey strikers ?

  • 5 newcastle10 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    repost
    That was absolutely SHOCKING!! we are going backwards under Pardew he does not know how to get the best out of the players that we have.all he does is play long ball bypassing our creative midfield players. what kind of a manager plays a centre defensive midfielder left wing its absolutely disgracefull!! we have no spark in the way we play. we cannot score from set pieces we cannot create chances for our stikers and we cannot link up play which begs me to question what we do on the training field. and as for the defence very poor. look at southampton they changed their manager they improved same with sunderland. we need a manager that goes to win games. he plays cabaye far too deep he would be more benefical further up the field with sissoko dropping back. if pardew was managing barcelona he would have them mid table. PARDEW OUT i hope ashley was at the game today. selling out 156 k in 3 games we deserve way better then that crap we are getting on the field. and for the people blaming the players pardew is the one that sets out the players he motivates them and tells them what they should do pardew has to go

  • 6 manxpie // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    well done for mocking the disabled beattie!!

    so were you there today then or were you watching it on an illegal stream by the way i can afford sky sports!!
    you’d also think a true supporter that “obviously” watches every game live would realise the troubles THE MANAGER OF THIS CLUB!!! has had this season but hey!? the EASIER way is to just slate him and not use your brain to actually see the much bigger picture!!

  • 7 do the hatem shake // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    we need a striker a cam who has great vision and can get 10 goals a season de jong would fit the bill

    a striker with pace and good header.

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    manx

    I think if you look at the majority of clubs you wont find many, if any, who have had the same team out two weeks in a row.

    I do understand injuries have prevented us getting near to last season, i accept that, it hasn’t helped pardew at all.

    But if we didn’t rely on the brilliance of one or two players in a game and we played better as team we would be higher up.

    This was our team for man utd away

    01 Krul
    02 Coloccini
    03 Santon
    05 Simpson Booked
    06 Williamson Booked
    14 Perch
    08 Anita
    20 Bigirimana (Obertan – 65? )
    22 Marveaux
    09 Cisse Booked (Sa Ameobi – 79? )
    19 Ba (Sh Ameobi – 71? )

    No taylor, cabaye, tiote, ben arfa….4 huge players for us and it was arguably our best display of the season.

    We have had better teams than that our at home to west ham, swansea, reading, sunderland, villa…and frm those 5 games we got 1 point, thats with a better team.

    It’s all about how we approach games, we attacked man utd and although we lost, we really threatened. Now those sides above i mention haven’t got van persie, rooney, hernandez, wellbeck, valencia, nani, carrick…to score 4 past us like man utd did that day. We should have been more positive in a lot of games, even with a weakish side.

  • 9 daztoon // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    @Transfer Sage
    the man u post spot on mate

  • 10 manxpie // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    and oh look another injury that doesn’t matter and is all pardews fault it really doesn’t matter that our no1 keepers out for the season hey?

  • 11 beefman13 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    Fair result, we maybe put the worst crrosses and corners in prem hiistory, 307 corners without a goal, any bookie woul give u 10,000/1 on that, no kidding!!!!

  • 12 Beattie25 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:14 PM

    Ibiza

    I love you and know it is futile to ask you to join the ‘out’ campaign but how can you not look around Europe and think “he’d be good and we can certainly attract him!”?

    Further to add to someone who mentioned Fran De Boer, he might’ve said he want’s a top European job of which there are only about 8 clubs that could be considered a top European job, but like Tiote, M’biwa, Cabaye, Sissoko, HBA etc… they knew the best way to get noticed isn’t to win the league in France of Holland but to do well week in and week out in the PL. it’s the only way to get noticed. That’s why they are here and that’s why we could attract Frank De Boer. Not because we are bigger than Ajax or CL football but because you get noticed in the PL.

    If he turned us into a top 4 club playing, attractive football and dare I say winning silverware he would be closer to a top European club. His stock would rise as would ours meaning it would be easier to replace him in the event that he leaves to manage Man City.

    It’s the exact same method we have with the playing staff so how could it not work with the manager?

    How far away was Laudrup at the beginning of this season to managing a big European club?

    How far away is he now?

    Laurent Blanc, Frank De Boer, Ole Gunnar Solksjaer, Rudi Garcia, Allain Casanova god even Sammy Hyypia!

  • 13 Beattie25 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Manx

    I wasn’t mocking the disabled I was mocking you

  • 14 kevymartins // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Laurent blanc is are man

  • 15 daztoon // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    We can`t defend or attack corners so what do we work on in training.

  • 16 toonking // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    @ manxpie well you could say yes because TBH all this season krul has been very important to us with the amount of saves he has had to make what reason you may ask, well quite simple because pardew has had us defensive allowing the opposition to get forward more often.

  • 17 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    manx

    was that keeper comment aimed at me?

    if so not sure why….i think it doesn’t help but elliot is solid enough, a god number 2. He does all the basics you want from a keeper, not special like krul but good enough.

    Our problems are at the other end of the pitch, that was what i meant. It’s more getting goals not stopping teams that hinder us.

  • 18 Beattie25 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    Geordieracer

    Been to 8 home games this season and 7 away. Not as much as some but more than others. Where your from doesn’t entitle you to a better or bigger say you weasel faced goon!

    And if you had actually read my post you would have seen that i said Guti losing the ball wasn’t Pardews fault but the positioning was.

    I swear there is so many retards on this blog that it is losing any semblance of credit.

    You can find good discussion, debate and ideas from lots of bloggers but this site is being destroyed by these imbeciles that continuously miss the point or lack the intelligence to form a strutted opinion!

  • 19 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    Pardew’s Pussies 0 DiCanio’s Warriors 3

    Gutless hoofers.

    Pardews record sucks. Even with last seasons 5th it sucks.

  • 20 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    Beattie…I feel the love, as I hope you do too.

    Who knows? For me, Ashley isn’t a mug and he will always be looking at options. I don’t buy the whole 8 year contract, there will be ways if he wants.

    We will get a new manager as and when Ashley sees fit, not when we tell him too. Whenever he’s bowed to fan pressure it’s gone badly, if I’m not mistaken.

    Do I think Pardew is here for a long time? Probably not. I don’t think we, as fans, will have too much say on what happens. I think Pardew gets a pretty raw deal on here, as you know. Personally I will support him to the best of my ability, even though I do recognise his weaknesses, of which he does have.

    Joe..Sorry, are we finished with the re-build then? Everyone at the club should give themselves a big pat on the back for a job well done.

  • 21 Beattie25 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    It is also being ruined by predictive text

    * strutted = structured

  • 22 do the hatem shake // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    i want to see this against west brom
    elliot
    deb saylor collo/mbwia hairdryer

    cabaye sissoko
    marvuex
    ben arfa cisse gouffran

  • 23 Bambams // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Dont know why he does not try and play Marv up with Cisse, he has the close control and would be a decent foil for Cisse.

    I cannot see us picking up more than 5 points

  • 24 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Elliott’s distribution is so much better than Kruls.

    Elliott actually makes long passes where Krul just hoofs into an area.

  • 25 toonking // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    @22
    that team looks almost perfect the only differance i would have is make cabaye and marvo play in from of sissoko otherwise it is just another waste of cabaye who is better off as an attacking midfielder.

  • 26 toonking // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    front*

  • 27 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    beattie

    I understand the jonas comment. He isn’t a left back, he did ok against a fulham side who barely attacked so wasn’t tested at all.

    It’s a bit like santon playing their, he is very right footed so comes inside, when he loses it he doesn’t just have to get back the 50/60 yards down the line, he also has to run the 20 yards from the centre back to the outside as he has drifted in with the ball.

    Pardew could never had known jonas would make a mistake leading to a goal, but he could have know he was more likely to than a natural left back in haidara.

    It’s all about the percentages, you need to make sure we pick the players and the system with the right intent for the opposition you play to make the odds as much in your favour as possible.

    Jonas and haidara is a close example of this, talking maybe 5-10% (hard to say exactly) but the extreme example would be saying do you play cisse or williamson up front (one might be you a 70% chance of a goal, the the a 5% chance)….that highlights your point on jonas using the extreme example.

  • 28 do the hatem shake // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    can you really see pardew going with two cams

  • 29 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    The WORST game I’ve ever witnessed in my life.

    I mean where do I start.

    We lacked passion
    Hugely under performed especially cabaye he’s really starting to piss me off now tbh.
    No motivation somehow
    **** tactics
    We lacked that British spirit and Geordie passion

    I’m sick sick sick sick sick suicidal

  • 30 manxpie // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    but transfer that doesn’t mean anything really lets face it it’s a game that we expect to lose plus your post didn’t show the team we played before man u its just 1 stat that you’ve posted to prove 1 point over the whole season my point is this season we haven’t had a settled team ALL season how can you blame the manager for not bein consistent with results in all comps when we havent had a consistent team and also most of the time its different positions that have been injured
    you’ll prob say that all teams have injuries next but tell me the other teams this season has had the same volume plus which other team has changed there defense as much as us this season!??
    its been a shocking season from top to bottom so how is that 1 mans fault and btw how often as pardew actually fielded HIS team (you know the team that a manager builds and wants to see play together)??

  • 31 NUFCarter // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    repost

    The match was an utter embarrassment and that’s an understatement.
    I would love to know who thinks who played well today. Ok HBA made a difference but the players around him offered nowt and just stood around at 3-0. The only players that know the importance of this game are Taylor and shola and they were shite today.

    On Pardew, I fail to see how yet another loss is due to Pardew yet again. It’s not like Pardew says don’t give it your all, sit back hoof it up to field. He doesn’t like that. It’s the players mentality. Their attitude was appalling. Ok if we had a different manager he may of gave them a kick up the ass. I’m not a Pardew lover and I always said after PDC left Swindon he would be a great manager in the prem – even for nufc. But to blame Pardew after every loss is pathetic.

    Sunderland deserved the win, credit to them and to Paulo di canio. Whats more frustrating is everyone were predicting 3-0 wins to toon and it ended up the other way and the 3% who voted for Sunderland to win were right ( who surely were mackems). Luckily there’s not a mackem in sight where I live. And we’ve got just less than a week to our next match. So this loss is gonna be on my mind all week.

    There’s times where you love supporting the toon like last week against fulham but then there’s times where you become so depressed because of the performance and result today. FFS!!
    on paper you look at the game and you think with the quality of our players we would smash sunderland and no one showed it today.

    agree with above summer clear out. Jonas out, obertan out, tiote – if we can get an overpriced offer than sell him. otherwise drop him below perch and anita. williamson out, simpson out, and get rid of some of our overrated youngsters like sammy ameobi who will never make the cut. replace every player with quality players who have fight and passion! which we definately need atm. Taylors been showing that lately but wasnt at his best today.

  • 32 dcro1 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    Pardew played Bigi an inexperienced 19 year old defensive midfielder wide right on Thursday who had to be taken off at HT he was so poor. but somehow was widely praised for his “game-plan”

    Today he played Jonas out of position at LB and he was appalling.

    For the longest time he preferred Obertan over HBA.

    He picks Jonas regularly ahead of Marveaux.

    He persevered with Cisse and Ba together with Ba in the middle and Cisse wide when everybody could see that it had to be the other way around to have any chance of working.

    He keeps playing Sissoko a CM into wide positions.

    Cisse is left far too isolated in a 4-5-1 formation at home against poor teams inviting pressure.

    Cabaye is often positioned way too deep to influence a game where it can hurt the opposition.

    How many more bad tactical decisions does it take for people to wise up that Pardew is out of his depth?

  • 33 kevymartins // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    Here is a thought? why not just get last years tactics book out and play the way we did then?Instead of pardrew trying all this 4-2-3-1 4-2-3-1- bullshit…Why on earth did he even mess with the formation/tactis in the first place when we were playing amazing football and winning

  • 34 TurkishFan101 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Repost:

    Ok sorry for the caps I will retype it on a serious note and really want you’s to read and reply thanks.

    I dont know why we cannot blame pardew? At the end of the day the players are following the instructions of pardew and the formation otherwise the players would play anywhere. The thing is pardew needs to go, his tactical negativity has sincked into the club and you could see from jonas’s face that he didn’t want to play LB but pardew forced him or he was going to get dropped. pardew is at fault, he needs to go he adds nothing but negativity and anyone questions otherwise well what can you question? As pardew is the manager here and we have not scored one set piece, corner in our whole career with pardew. We aimed it at williamson in benfica just like we used to and we aim it to steven taylor hoping for a goal. The whole staff needs to get checked and sacked. The medical, assistant, youth head coach everyone. Another injury today to krul we are f**ked!

    Another thing is the whole formation is a mess, what happened to 3 in midfield with cabaye, Anita, tiote which I see as an excellent choice. The whole Sissoko behind Cisse thing does not work at all, Sissoko looks clueless and has been ever since that game with Chelsea, he suited on that role because Chelsea didn’t know we would play a midfield player like him too deep behind Cisse but we are predictable every game due to Pardew’s common sense and tactical philiosophy he as intergrated into our team and I hate watching us play every single game but I watch and support my team and never missed one game cause I love the club, the players and the history which made us today of who we are. Why is Marvo not Sat behind Cisse? He has showed us all that he can create and open opponents up, he has the most assists in our team for the season, what does that say about us? The lad barelys gets to start due to Pardew’s mentality. Im telling you negativity after negativity every game, always defensive, defensive, defensive nothing else “we will catch them out on the counter, and this has worked for us in previous games” he has never took the problem for himself and said its his own fault, this guy as a huge ego for a shite manager but he will only make us play worse and even more worse over time, We need to get rid of him, we need to sort out our staff, sort out the youth academy, sort out the the assistant manager, medical team, coaches everything we needs to from deep roots to start a new philiosophy if Mike Ashley which indeed wants this aswell is working on something right now I hope as he said and Derick Llambias has said we are following Barcelonas foot patch and will invest heavily in the youth and staff.

  • 35 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    ibiza

    I might criticise pardew here, but like you say, when i get t games i never boo him or moan…i cheer the lot of them, manager and players on and sing my heart out.

    But i do think people on here seem to confuse complaining here with being a rubbish fan and voicing that mid game. I never hear the fans turn on the team, maybe a moan when somebody wastes a chance, but in general its pretty positive, maybe just a bit quiet.

  • 36 Beattie25 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    Ibiza

    I don’t think Ashley has ever given into fan pressure! Perhaps only when he put the club up for sale. If he had given into pressure we might be better off today for it (especially if he listened to me).

    I agree there will be a get out somewhere in that contract. It has been reported that if sacked Pards will get 1 years pay.

    I’d much rather see a man with flaws that has the team playing well than this drivel served up to us every game. There’s no accounting for taste but I’m not demanding stake. Just a beef burger with some relish and spicy sauce rather than this damn corned beef hash,

    Even you sir cannot honestly say that a better manager wouldn’t get this team playing better football.

    Moments of individual brilliance can become long term form for a player if given the opportunity.

    I fear a Ben Arfa mazy run, a Cabaye assist, a Sissoko surge or a Cisse wonder strike will become things of rarity as they are now rather than hallmarks of their ability.

    That is down to Pardew in my opinion!

  • 37 JDdubai // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    I dont see what the argument is for pro pardew? Ignore today, but what is the defence of the poor poor quality of football ALL season???

    The best we played in my opinion was manu away and arsenal for the first 70 mins, had Anita, cabs and marveaux in the middle AS PARDS HAD NO CHOICE and we played so well, kept the ball and scored 6 goals away to thos 2 teams.

    Then when pardew has options he messes around too much, chooses Jonas/Tiote etc regardless of form and creativity and we go back to useless. When he has had a choice to make, for me anyway he has chosen to make us poorer.

  • 38 NUFCarter // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    whos to say we getter a better manager after pardew. i wouldnt be to fussed if he goes but he doesnt deserve all the blame most are putting on him.

  • 39 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    What a deflating and gutting result, was feeling so positive not only about this game but about the rest of the season feel gutted

    The easy thing today is flat out blame pardew, and he shoulder some blame he’s the manager
    But the players were gutless today, honestly think we needed playa years like simmo or perch today players who know what this fixture means to the club the city and the fans, there was no effort no commitment no fight we just rolled over and let the fcuk us awful game

    Krul
    Made a good stop, but that doesn’t make up for his continued p1ss poor distribution the ball comes to him and he aimlessly punts it wildly up the pitch even with Taylor and mbiwa offering the short ball, also think he should of got a hand on sessegnon’s goal

    Debuchy
    Probably the only player who looked to make something happen today, unfortunately rose had the beating of him on cabs wild long range punts, unfortunately the lads seemed happy for him to attack but no one could be bothered to cover when he did

    Taylor
    Gave a master class in why he will never be a top CB today, and why he’s been overlooked nationally for 10 years
    Absolute sh1te, hot headed idiot today, got lucky the ref blew when he fell over, got lucky not to give away a stone wall pen, got nowhere near sessegnon for the first goal just skipped like a chubby ballerina across the edge of the box and didn’t put him under any pressure at all

    Yanga
    Just looked lost today can’t really remember him doing anything tbh

    Guti
    Had a mare today, terrible pass for the first goal, although tbf we had plenty back and should of dealt with it, kept getting caught on the ball and looked panicked today

    Tiote
    Fcuk man utd coming in for him he’d be lucky if Macclesfield were interested, absolutely pathetic, can’t pass can’t tackle can’t run can’t shoot, how did he get the armband ffs? Watched Johnson for the second goal no attempt to close him down and the third he let sessegnon skip past him in midfield got back and let Vaughan walk past him and pull the trigger with out pressuring him at all, would gladly see the back off him

    Cabs
    Useless today, rash in the challenges passing was all over the shop worst game in a toon shirt tbh

    Gouffran
    Lucky to stay on the pitch all I got to say about him today he done nout else

    Sissoko
    Frustrating, ran round like a headless chicken, never got his head up never passed it just ran until he hit a wall of defenders
    He was like forest gump with a football

    Marv
    Done okay some good set piece deliveries but didn’t get involved enough, have to question his fitness really

    Cisse
    Fed up of seeing him stroll round, grinning like the Cheshire Cat but apparently he can’t look up the line to stay on side?
    He needs to sort his sh1t out and quickly

    Elliot
    Can’t fault him couldn’t do anything for the 2 goals solid performanc

    Shola
    Couldn’t get into the game, whenever he got the ball no one gave him an option

    Benny
    Not much he could of done the lads seemed happy to just watch him

  • 40 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    @turk

    Yes. Yes we can blame pardew and I personally will so, sissoko needs to be dropped deeper and why wasn’t haidara playing :s

  • 41 manxpie // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    beattie but guess wat i’m not disabled and the fact you used disabled as a derogatory term means actually you are using it as mockery!

  • 42 toonking // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    i don’t expect him to go with two attacking midfielder but can you see him playing 3 front me?
    this has been the major problem we are saying he just keeps wasting players by playing them OOP
    cabaye CAM playing CDM
    jonas winger and santon RB playing LB hadaira Lb on the bench
    cisse CF playing out wide
    sissoko CDM playing wide and forward
    HBa left footed playing right wing and has to come in
    the team is such a mess at the minute.

  • 43 manxpie // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    transfer it weren’t aimed at you just the other people that don’t think injuries change seasons!

  • 44 geordieracer1980 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:31 PM

    And how was Jonas positioning when he lost the ball pardews fault? Jonas cuts infield every single game, so I fail to see how today was any different.

    Also, your reference to disabled people is very inappropriate. I work with adults with aquired brain injuries do please don’t make.un of disabled people. You are not as funny or as clever as you think you are.

  • 45 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    Transfer…I hope that didn’t come across as me saying that. Was really only commenting on my feelings about Pardew, not who was the better fan – that is an argument I really don’t want to jump in, we are all fans of this club and chose to do things differently. Whilst I may not agree with some or their approach, it is their right and doesn’t make them any less of a fan imo.

    I would expect people who were at the game today to be royally p*ss*d I was. Terrible performance with no fight in them. That for me, cannot just fall to Pardew. People can argue zonal defending methods, but sorry, surely they should still be trying to get in between the player and our own goal, not the other side? Plain stupidity.

  • 46 kevymartins // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    @dcrol Bang on …As much as I hate to see him go I just can’t see anything in him anymore. He does not deserve the job…Look at the top teams for instant

    Alex ferguson great=man u great
    Arsen wenger great=arsenal great
    David moyes great=everton on the verge of something
    villa boas great = spurs on the verg of something

  • 47 NUFCarter // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    i agree pardew is piss poor tactically but the players were more to blame today. no fight!

  • 48 5Danny94 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Looking at Transfer Sage’s Man Utd team, it really hits home how important Ba was for us. We miss him. Imagine how we’d be faring if he’d left during the summer. I’ll stop short of thinking how we’d be doing if he’d stayed…

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    Newcastle reserved their worst performance of the season for their most important game, as the Tyne-wear derby ended up in home humiliation for United.It was a day when nothing went right for Alan Pardew’s side but they did very little to help themselves with a worryingly gutless performance, not aided by some baffling tactics.
    From NUFC.com.

  • 50 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    manx

    I appreciate that, here’s another example then.

    01 Krul
    02 Coloccini
    03 Santon Booked
    05 Simpson (Ferguson – 82′ )
    14 Perch
    20 Bigirimana (Sh Ameobi – 82′ )
    22 Marveaux (Tavernier – 88′ )
    24 Tiote
    25 Obertan
    09 Cisse
    19 Ba

    Arsenal away, lost 7-3 but we showed up until they went head in the 75th minute, then caught on with 3 very late goals, that we were in the game.

    And again, from those home games i said, none of those had half the quality of that arsenal team.

    My point is not the results. I think the results could be better, and should be really, its more the performance.

    Not just this year, last year also (where we just had 1 long term injury and no europa league).

    It’s the fact that, in my view (i can’t prove this so wnt claim it as fact) that if we approached those home games, with the same attacking intent we did for that man utd game we would have got more than 1 point from those 5 home matches (west ham, swansea, sunderland, villa and reading).

    All teams get injuries, and i accept we have had long term injuries to key players, ben arfa, cabaye and taylor the main ones. But we should still have done better in some, not all, of the games this season.

  • 51 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    Beattie…I wouldn’t argue that and certainly aren’t. Of course a better manager would do better, that is not in question.

    Tads…My thoughts…almost exactly.

  • 52 daztoon // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    Let`s face it Pardew has his favorites and will play them out of position or bring them straight back in after injury rather than play player`s who have worked hard and deserve a starting place Anita,Perch for example

  • 53 Sazzer // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    Our guy is Jupp Heynckes. He have said he would consider working in England before retiring. Current Bayern M manager. Let Pardew step down to be assisting coach for three years.

  • 54 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Saddens mw to say WE WERE OUTCLASSED BY A TEAM THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE WORSE THAN US.

    We were SHITE, SHITE, SHITE F***IN CLUELESS
    WE WERE OUTPASSED, OUT EVERYTHING
    Except
    Giving the ball away STUPID needless freekicks.

    We didn’t look interested at times – maybe Thursday Sunday Thursday Sunday has got us tired – but I expected a lot more than the crap served up today

    As for the manager show some passion like di’Canio he was pumped up and so was his team unlike Pardew – just stands there with his pen and paper or hands in pockets.

    Starting to see it like some of the other bloggers on here seems clueless with tactics and teams set up

    PLAY LIKE THAT FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON THEN WE ARE DOOOOOOOOOOMED.

    It was SHITE – still be playing till midnight and not score

  • 55 Sinner // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    There’s no way we should have lose tonight and conceding 3 goals at home against a struggling team is just f**king brilliant.I blame Pardew simple, his mind boggling team against Benefica and now this sh*t, the fact we’ve got so many quality players and yet we’ve never been able to play good football is the proof of Pardew’s incompetence. I take a look at our remaining fixtures and we have Liverpool and Arsenal at home and i wont even go in our away fixtures considering we’ve only won 1 this season, i just hope we don’t f**k this up!

  • 56 Guj NUFC // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    We have lost the same amount of games as QPR this season…. :( 17/33

  • 57 BandB // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Ibiza

    Missed the enquiry about the champagne the other night. Pleased we didn’t keep it for today, as we’d planned.
    One of the things you and Jail seemed to have in common was that, while not feeling any particular confidence in Pardew, you feared what would be brought in instead.
    Bills-son argued earlier today that the decision to appoint Kinnear was that Ashley felt he’d been boo-ed out of the club and didn’t want to lumber the selling process with a manager on a big contract, as he inherited. You’ve been pretty positive. Do you really think he’d employ a yes-man if he were to re-employ soon. I also wonder whether you think Pardew deserves another season, regardless?

  • 58 Beattie25 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    You cannot play a lone striker when the service is crap and he is not 6’4″ of pure muscle.

    4-3-3 last season with Cabaye up top behind the cutting in of Ba and Benny supporting Cisse was the one time I thought ‘wow we can actually play”.

    Why is Gouffran playing LM when he should be taking up that Ba position when we steamed past teams?

    People can say he’s poor or expendable all they want but it’s another mark against Pardew for me.

    Players playing in the wrong position. Today there were a total of 6 players out of position.

    Guti is a LW not a LB.
    Cabaye is a CAM not a CDM.
    Sissoko is a CDM not a CAM.
    Marveaux is a CAM/RF not a RM.
    Gouffran is a CF/LF not a LM.
    Cisse is a CF not a lone ST.

    There is your answer. Not form, not individual error, not lack of service but all combined due to Pardews tactics bringing out the worst rather than the best.

  • 59 jesperfuglsang - captain of the lemon crew // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    I have been to the bathroom 3 or 4 times this afternoon…maybe it was a bad game I watch! :(

  • 60 SupaToonKid // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Pardumb has to go, he’s well out of his depths & is tactically inept. We need a manager in the form of a Laudrup, Martinez or de Boer who knows how to play good passing football & can benefit the players’ attributes to the maximum. Pardumb has lost the dressing room. The board & scouts have provided him with the players but he has failed to utilise them. Time to switch up MA!

  • 61 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Anyway, I am off guys. Try and see if I can get any joy out of this Sunday.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    ibiza

    No it didnt come across as that, don’t worry :)

    I was just adding to what you said, trying to defend the critics of pardew as they are still fans despite what some say about them (not you by the way)

  • 63 NUFCarter // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    i would love to know how many dissallowed goals cisse has had this season. wrong or right.

  • 64 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:40 PM

    Oh dear the resident numpties are starting to fight … what a surprise.

    We were shite … end of.

    Who’s next? We need to start getting a few points.

  • 65 manxpie // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    again transfer a game we expected to lose and AWAY no pressure really there is there also the same as man u so i see you don’t take pressure into consideration!?
    if you dont have much to lose then its much easier to play without worries its a totally different prospect with presure and you know that!?

  • 66 NUFCarter // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    west brom away. these games are becoming more important and more difficult

  • 67 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    BandB…I’ll stay to discuss that, could use some rational discussion for a minute or two :)

    I’m not sure Ashley could handle an outspoken manager. He likes things to be kept in house and imo will not tolerate someone who would bleat on, someone like say Di Canio.

    I would fully expect any new manager to toe the line, at least to some degree, it seems to be the Ashley way.

    What are your thoughts?

  • 68 Partizan // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    I agree about the British spirit with the blogger above,,just how badly we miss players like Nolan and Barton in matches like this.

  • 69 nufc786 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    absolutely gutless performance to day… gutless where was the passion and fight from us

  • 70 toonking // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    the chances are our luck could be help thanks to wigan vs aston villa being on the very last day of the season.

  • 71 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Transfer….Glad we cleared that one up :)

    Emotion can get a little out of hand on here, especially on a day like today – keep being the voice of balanced reason.

  • 72 Novocastrian66 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Beattie correctomundo.

  • 73 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    manx

    Yeh i fully understand pressure involved….but these guys have shown they can handle pressure in big games, came back against chelsea and southampton at home. We have handled ourselves well in some big european games this year.

    I don’t think it’s just pressure that held us back in those games. I think it was the game plan to sit back and absorb pressure (that view comes from that being what we do in most games and before the man utd and arsenal game pardew said we would have a real go). So why can’t we have a go at home against a newly promoted team?

    If we had a real go at those homes games could we have done much worse, no seeing as we only got one point.

    My issue isn’t the results, we could get beaten attacking sides. I just think when we attack we look much better than when we sit back and that over a season an attacking game would see us win more points that a defensive game.

  • 74 Guj NUFC // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    Thought if we could win this game (39 points) we would be safe, but it looks like even QPR can beat us! WHU away next, I’m not looking forward to it.

    We should just go 4-3-3. 4231 doesn’t work with the RM/LM (Marv + Goofy) tracking back, they are getting lost.

    Elliot
    Debuchy Taylor M’biwa HAIDARA
    Cabaye ANITA sissoko
    BEN ARFA cisse gouffran.

    Jonas was playing well untill this game, but he shouldn’t start, play a LEFT FOOTER at LB Pardew. I have defended Pardew all season but we have a near full strength squad and we lost 3-0 at home to THAT team! I’m afraid his days as Newcastle manager are numbered! I really thought we had something steady and to build on after last season but it turns out it was a fluke.

  • 75 daztoon // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    @manxpie
    So is it not Pardew`s fault for leaving a fit LB who isn`t injured on the bench who started midweek and playing Guti out of position who gave the ball away playing from that position for the first goal

  • 76 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    manx

    we turned up at sunderland, away (huge pressure as a derby, pressure home or away) and we thumped them early season. Until tiote was sent off we dominated, got at them and they couldnt stop us.

  • 77 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Ibiza
    Glad you agree! Reading it back it may be just blowing off steam but I genuinely feel that is the most gutless display I’ve ever seen from a Newcastle team

  • 78 Beattie25 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Manx

    I wasn’t being derogatory to disabled people just being derogatory to you.

    What I pointed out was that someone with disabilities of the mind may not be able to convey certain points as easy as someone who is not affected. That isn’t being rude or abusive to suffers its pointing out a fact.

    Much like if I was to say you hit like a girl. That isn’t being offensive to women, it’s being offensive to you as it is widely considered that women, for the most part, do not hit as hard as men. Are women offended by that? I doubt it. Only you would you ignorant prick.

    It’s as people say if a white person is offended by a remark they claim to be racist but not relating to their race and not presented in a racist way then when who is the racist? The abuser or the abused?

  • 79 newcastle10 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH0Mqc2CYAAje42.jpg

    MIKE ASHLEYS FACE SAYS IT ALL

  • 80 toonking // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    as much as carroll is not the best of forward their is one thing i see him having that most forwards don’t have and that is localness because he will be much more determined to avoid getting a defeat than a foreign player. foreign players don’t know how the fans feel like the british lad do. beside giggs and scoles are nowhere near the quality they used to be but they still are in the manure team because of the attitude they have the same thing with terry and lampard at chelsea and gerrard at liverpool. that is why i would love to see carroll come back.

  • 81 breno95 // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Very infrequent poster but i have for a long time stated Pardew is not a good enough manager.
    Persistently plays square pegs when he has available the right options.
    Good players turned to poor players is not good management skills.
    He also lacks tactical skill but more importantly the balls to win. He hides behind factors that all squads encounter. Just wait for his post match excuses after this shambles.
    Sissoko is NOT a CAM. He is a CDM capable of doing box to box.
    Anita is miles better than tiote.
    Cisse needs to learn the offside rule.
    HBA should have started today.
    Shola is way past PL elvel of football but yet AP believed and bought into the stupid hype of the mackem slayer bull. As fior the subs. What affect will hooking Gouffran have on him as a new player to NUFC. Not exactly good morale boosting management skills shown today.
    Now its all about opinions and there are AP believers posting but seriously though AP is simply crap. Considering why he was brought in the football has NOT improved and anyone who thinks otherwise obviously does not know football.
    Overall the current squad is the best assembled in a good long while and is good enough but the management of it is woeful. Injuries or not.
    Relegation still hangs over the club like a sickness and MA must act and terminate AP’s job at end of season and install Blanc.
    Another point is can anyone on here whomis pro Pardew tell me why he should remain charge and list the skills he has to take an excellent squad to the next level and perform to the maximum. List the Pro’s for Pardew to stay. There won’t be many.
    As for Ibiza – please come off your fence for once. You are not working in the Foreign Office where diplomacy is key.
    Blanc is the available option for me to deliver results and here’s hoping MA realises AP is not the man for the job.

  • 82 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    BandB…I didn’t comment on whether Pardew should be given another year, regardless of how we finish the season.

    I have always felt that yes he should. Whether the football was beautiful or not, I thought last season was magnificent and Pardew really won me over. I have and can excuse a large part of this season and how it has turned out. I do not come to the conclusion that it is down to Pardew, but that is not to say another manager wouldn’t have done better.

    What I am against is changing managers just for the sake of it or under the idea that Pardew is the worst manager ever because of this season (as that can be argued with the successes of last season).

    To try and not keep rambling on and to actually answer the question (yes, you can all let out a sigh of relief), if Ashley were to bring in a better, forward thinking manager then I’d be all for it. Whether that is this summer, next January, whenever, I don’t want to be one of those teams that just change like for like.

  • 83 manxpie // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    transfer its all good sticking up for pardew haters but all of my points have shown that really its been a managers nightmare of a season and the much bigger picture that most of the haters don’t take into account he’s made mistakes yes! offcourse he has but by no means is this season down to him again i’ll say since hes been here has he played HIS team even once??
    no imo and next season he’ll have that opportunity thats really when we should judge isn’t it?

  • 84 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Breno…It’s not about me being a fence sitter, I say what I feel. Apologies if it’s not extreme enough for you.

  • 85 manxpie // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    wat ever beattie you know wat you were implying and you were mocking people with a disability!
    simple as that read through it again lad and then apologize for saying it
    instead of trying 2 cover yourself simples really!?

  • 86 Transfer Sage // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    manx

    Yes and no. Will he do better with his team? or course he will, any manager would.

    My argument is mainly that he is to afraid to fail so he will never succeed to the level he should do. He is too cautious in the approach of the team, we are so concerned with stopping the opposition we never seem to think of him to start ourselves.

    Those games, away to man u and arsenal, no pressure, not on the players but no pressure on him is the key. We expect to lose so does he, therefore he lets our boys attack, and even a weak team for us did well in those games.

    Not if he let his strong team attack we would do better.

    We look good when we go a goal down because he spur them on to attack, Our movement, passing, commitment, all gets better which is something he needs to find a way of doing to start with.

    Another example, expected to lose to benfica away, so we attacked, as soon as we went ahead we went into our shellsa bit, benfica stepped it up but we let them by easing off, we went behind then upped it again.

    We need to get the balance right between attack and defense and currently we are way to far in favour of defence which isn’t good enough.

    Pardew has shown, especially last season near the end, we can attack and still be slid/organised (stoke home and west brom away being perfect examples).

    He needs to get that from the team more….he can and has got it from his best team, but he has also got it from his weakest team (man utd way this year) he just needs to make sure he can get it on a more regular basis.

    If he has a crack next year i wont be too annoyed, just think, like simmo/willo, we can upgrade to better and if we do i wont be annoyed but will thank him for the work he has done.

  • 87 manxpie // Apr 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM

    and also because i’m not disabled i can’t be offended!!?
    jesus well believe it or not beattie i know a few disabled people including family so yes i was offended by your comment!!
    maybe you should widen your mind a bit on such issues!

  • 88 Talentet // Apr 14, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    http://www.facebook.com/SackAlanPardew




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