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Restoring Geordie Pride – Easier Said Than Done

11:15 am, Tuesday, April 16th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 382 Comments

After the disaster on Sunday we could have guessed that when the players returned to training today we would hear talk that it’s time to restore the Geordie pride, after it was harpooned and almost killed on Sunday.

alan pardew in contemplative mood

Alan Pardew will now be under considerable pressure

That must be the mission of Alan Pardew and the Newcastle players in the last five weeks of the season, but after the worst defeat in 34 years on Sunday – and at home too – and against a Sunderland side who had only 3 points in the previous 27 they had contested that will not be easy – by any means.

This is some of what Pardew told the Evening Chronicle today:

“Next year we have to prove that we’re a bigger and better club.” “That’s in terms of our Premier League position by finishing well above them. “

“That’s what we are going to try to do next year.” “But first we’ve got to make sure we play well in the last five games with good, solid performances.”

We wouldn’t talk too much about next season until we’re mathematically sure we will be in the Premier League next season, because anything can happen with just five games to go, and Newcastle simply pathetic against the Black Cats.

After the complete humiliation and shame of Sunday’s defeat, there will still be 3,000 faithful Geordies travelling to West Brom on Saturday to support the lads, and great credit must go out to those fans who are travelling to the game.

It will take a win at the Hawthorns for Newcastle fans to start feeling better about our side – anything less than that will not hack it on Saturday.

Call me negative – but I’m simply being pragmatic.

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382 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Re post time mutha effers:

    Tai rid

    The chants are part and parcel of football. We can’t sing about colo shagging my wife all the time.

    I do think it is born out of respect for last season but I think those chants will dry up on reflection of this.

    Is that fickle? I don’t believe so. I think it’s a desire to support a manager who many felt could bring something to the table and unfortunately hasn’t.

    Many had excuses for the poor football matches of 2011-12 season but this year is the same football different results and that same football mentality, despite absolutely everything that has happened this season, is why we are where we are. We had teams beat more often than not and anti football came into the equation and now we are relying on other teams to get beat to stay up.

    Yet this man may keep his job.

    Pardew on a nutshell is Reading at home. Go for the kill rather than protect your 1-0 lead you moron.

  • 2 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Tai rid?????

    Rainrix

  • 3 Guj NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    Is it wrong to wish for a manager with artistic flair in his management to match the caliber of his players or am I just greedy! :(

  • 4 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Sadly Pardew has go himself very thick with llambias and ashley so I fully expect him to still be here next season.

    What finally did it for me with pardew was when we were comfortably leading bottom club reading at home 1-0 and he took off marveaux and put on perch I think. The whole momentum was surrendered and lost. Just one example but there are many.

  • 5 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    What were we meant to be doing this year.

    Here he come with his own self deluded poppy cock setting his stall out to remain in charge next season!

    Maybe he shouldn’t talk about next season yet, this ones hardly a forgone conclusion.

    My God this man makes me want to vomit.

    We shouldn’t have to prove we’re better than a bottom 6 team, surely the players, stadium and fans do that.

    Only the manager is the bottom 6 quality dragging us down.

    Go back to Leauge 1 you smarmy git.

  • 6 Guj NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    PSG’s director of football Leonardo says he wants to bring #NUFC midfielder Yohan Cabaye back to France in the summer
    “It would be beautiful if we can bring Ribéry, Nasri and Cabaye back to France in the summer”
    Well..

  • 7 Rainrix // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Beattie… I guess we’ll have to disagree on that one. Considering it was only our 2nd season back in the PL 5th was astonishing. Theres no guarantee that if we did attack more we’d have more points we could’ve easily conceded more goals and drawn or lost games. Maybe we would’ve got 3rd maybe not.

    Besides i have no doubt if we hadn’t lost taylor and colo in one fell swoop against chelsea we would’ve got 3rd or 4th as we wouldnt have had to play willo and simmo at CB against norwich and swansea. if we got 6 points there instead of 1 that would’ve been enough for 3rd.

  • 8 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Were? Where!!

    Arregghhhhhh iPhone I hat you

  • 9 Rainrix // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Beattie… Thats a really weird autocorrect is tai even a word? Can it not spell thai correctly. :)

    Also i think you grabbed the wrong post 😉

  • 10 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    Alan Pardew could take a better corner kick than cabaye and Marveaux.

    It’s criminal that we don’t score any goals from corners. The corners are terrible and when we do manage to get it past the first defender Steven Taylor has missed to many headers.

    Our midfield and defenders need to chip in with goals over the season, they haven’t.

    We basically rely on Cisse to score every game.

    Is this Alan Pardews fault? No. The players have had ample chances and shots at goal so we can’t say they’re not getting in the positions because of Pardews tactics, because they damn well are! Every game i find myself more than once screaming oh for feck sake, place the ball, have a bit more composure, stop trying to thump in a screamer!

  • 11 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Have to love a post correcting your own spelling (or auto correct) just to make another one.

    Beattie…I take my hate off to you :)

  • 12 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Troy

    Thee were a lot of extenuating circs in finishing 5th last season and a complete one off in his CV over nearly 15 seasons.

    While I don’t think we could get a top manager we could surely find a young up and coming one used to winning which is something Pardew has never been despite his ridiculous ”I’m a winner” claim!!!.

  • 13 BandB // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    I go out through the park, and only got to see the full extent of the trouble for the first time today. I find it hard to believe all, or even most, of those people had come up from the pubs.
    Too much testosterone around lads. It’ll take more than a couple of wins to restore my Geordie pride. Don’t want to talk about football now. It just seems like an excuse for a fight.

  • 14 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Rainrix

    Last season was a piece of shit polished, wrapped and presented in a gift box with a nice little pink bow wrapped around it.

    Speaking in footballing terms it was awful, almost as bad as this season.

    We finished 5th due to individual brilliance of the players, other teams being shite and huge amounts of luck.

    Pardew stood there fist pumping and taking all the credit and most looked at the table a d forgot about the 38 games. He won you over because you all thought and I quote ‘he knows how to win’.

    Eff off. He thinks he knows how not to lose but that’s about it. Wide boy chancer who took credit for a lot of things he didn’t do

  • 15 John Tudor // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    lets have a tirade of abuse befall pardew

  • 16 boater // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    I can’t see how we can turn things around under his stewardship. We aren’t as good a team as people make out, but we haven’t looked like we knew how to win a game all season, no matter who we played.

    The offensive tactics aren’t working. Sissoko behind Cisse is the latest pallid looking forward combo. It worked for 2 games, then stagnated for the following 6, but still we are sticking to it.

    No point lambasting Jonas or Tiote or whoever. The problem is with the team-mind set going into games.

  • 17 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    BandB…A couple of wins is needed, but you’re right it wont restore anything at this stage in time. A lot of damage has been done and everyone needs some time.

    We however, do need some points first before anyone can have a chance to reflect -otherwise that reflection period will be really painful work, more so than it already is.

  • 18 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Before Raylor got injured Benny couldn’t get a game.
    Pardew was forced into playing a system to accommodate benny, ba and Cisse and it worked spectacularly.

    But then what a moron for turning his back on it when we could have got a CL place. he pandered to ba for over half a season and never rotated him and cisse or played someone else left in a front 3 like Marveaux. Pardew basically has a huge imagination deficit

  • 19 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Ibiza

    I want to kiss you

  • 20 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    * kill you not kiss you

  • 21 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    * kick you not kill you

  • 22 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    * pick you not kick you

  • 23 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Beattie…Could this be the start of a Romeo and Juliet thing? How do you look in a nice frock?

  • 24 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Alan Pardew could take a better corner kick than cabaye and Marveaux.

    It’s criminal that we don’t score any goals from corners. The corners are terrible and when we do manage to get it past the first defender Steven Taylor alone has missed too many headers.

    Our midfield and defenders need to chip in with goals over the season, they haven’t.

    We basically rely on Cisse to score every game.

    Is this Alan Pardews fault? No. The players have had ample chances and shots at goal so we can’t say they’re not getting in the positions because of Pardews tactics, because they damn well are! Every game i find myself more than once screaming oh for Christ sake, place the ball, have a bit more composure, stop trying to thump in a screamer! This is not Alan’s fault.

  • 25 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    With Pardew it doesn’t matter if you come in and play well,you still don’t keep the shirt over his favourites

  • 26 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    :)

  • 27 Jackel001 // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Guj NUFC

    He’ll need to spend around 70-80 mil at least on just those three. And the amount of quality players, would cabs get a game?

    On the West Brom game, i’d be happy with a point with our away record being so poor. I honestly believe we could get all 3 points when the scousers come up here

  • 28 Rainrix // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Beattie… Sorry i would like to continue this debate but i actually have to do some work for once. Can ibiza take up my point and you can debate with him seeing as you’ll be visiting brokeback together soon? Thanks you’re a darling toodles :)

  • 29 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    shane

    we are where we are because of poor tactics devised by our manager

  • 30 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    maybe if he worked a lot more on attacking rather than shutting up shop the chances would be going in. lots of luck last season, found out this, as per his CV

  • 31 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    why cant we follow chelsea fans. make a point ( the chelsae way) in letting pardew know he is not welcome at our club any more. the chelsea fans do it relentlesly every week , and hes not doing to bad.- imagine pardew in charhe of – chelsea- man u – liverpool , he wouldnt be there by 5 mins , those fans would have him out before he f…cked their club up, and why? because they care, – i really think , most newcastle fans are quite happy to meet up with their mates on a saturday . have a few ,- go to the game, win or lose- it dosnt matter, at least theyve had a good day out, maybe that is why we havnt won anything for 55 years, we dont voice our opinion s as much as we should. all the big clubs are gutted when they havnt won a cup in 2 years , we give our support to a manager who is totally – totally fu///cking useless,- so maybe we are to blame as well.

  • 32 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Why are NUFC supposedly taking it easy with Colo when he’s going to leave next month?

    Play him now, play him every second of every match. I love the bloke but if we’re going to get peanuts for him from San Lorenzo then why protect him anyway?

    NUFC’s need is greater than his right now and I’m sure his monumental salary can appease him for a few games! Get us to safety for next season first then he can go wherever he likes if that’s really what he wants.

  • 33 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    pardews basic mistakes, im sure i will have missed a few but these are my main gripes with him.

    1) if you keep saying you’re tired you will become tired, its a mental thing.
    2) stop inviting teams onto us.
    3) the only person to think jonas is a left back is maradona – and he’s high as a kite most of the time.
    4) sissoko is not an attacking midfielder, even the france manager took the mick out of this.
    5) stop giving shola new contracts.
    6) do some fitness exercises with your players, these are handy when playing for 90 mins, strengthening training will only hinder the speed of your players and increase the chance of injury.
    7) do some more passing and moving training.
    8) do more attacking training.
    9) find someone who can actually correctly assess the quality of out youth players, either you cant do it or you have been misinformed – see sammy’s at boro doing nothing at championship level.
    10) practice alternative set plays.
    11) find a way to play ben arfa and marveux together, shouldn’t be too hard if you only play with one up top.

    most of these issues have been obvious to me for 2 seasons but have not been improved upon meaning that he can’t train the players to become better players.
    since mike ashley is all about adding value to players purchased this is not what he wants and i feel will be the real reason he gets sacked in the end.

  • 34 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Rotonda heights

    We are not!

    We are where we are because of a whole variety of reasons, yes including Pardew’s decisions but not solely so!

    The negativity towards Alan Pardew is warranted but he is not the reason we are where we are, he is just 1 of the reasons.

  • 35 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    And why is Beattie trying to kick, kiss and kill everybody today? 😀

  • 36 boater // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Shane – I would say it is Pardew’s fault. In the absence of an attacking tactical system/approach, the players are taking frustrated punts from distance. Shite teams always resort to it.

  • 37 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    @stuart

    Talk sense please.

    We’ve just managed to lose our tag of hounding managers out their posts!

    You must be young if you can’t recall the vitriol shown towards Souness, fat Sam and Gullit, not to mention the earlier years of Gordon Lee, Richard Dinnis, Jack Charlton.

    We have a long history of persuading our chairmen to sack out managers.

  • 38 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    I get the negativity aimed at Pardew, i really do.

    However, you have to accept it is not entirely his fault where we are!

    People always want someone to blame.

    We sold our top goal scorer mid way through the season ffs. We didn’t strenthen in the summer after such a good season! Are these Alan Pardews fault???

  • 39 BandB // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Ibiza

    When I was a kid, I had uncles and cousins who worked in the pits on the other side of the river and had lived in and around Durham for a couple of generations. Some of them supported Sunderland. A lot from pit backgrounds had relatives over the water. We didn’t call them Mackem Scum, because they were no poorer than us. They died just as easily as us.
    There was no need for football to create a false sense of jeopardy. Life WAS dangerous. What I REALLY can’t understand is people buying into this tribalism who have selected our club to support off the shelf (and I am NOT saying that’s you. Really not.)
    Keep your spirits up, til mine are restored.

  • 40 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    shane, he was the one assessing the squad, he didnt highlight how poor our squad was, either that or he didnt know.

  • 41 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    You don’t sell a player like Demba Ba and expect to finish up the top of the table.

    Alan Pardew is not to blame for this.

  • 42 boater // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Shane – In any situation where a manager is ousted, it’s a combination of reasons, but often the only hope of changing the atmosphere back to a winning one is with a managerial switch. Even with more signings in the summer, I just can’t see Pardew restoring his position with players – or inspiring us to win after win.

  • 43 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Pardew has no say on who we bring in or when, it’s down to Carr and Cashley.

  • 44 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    shane, if that happens you need to change the team or the way the team plays. he hasnt, ba and cisse are different strikers, its like were still playing to ba’s strengths after he has left.

  • 45 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    God I hope this smug git isn’t our manager next season.

    Probably only Saylor and Shola feeling the gut twisting agony.
    Pardew’s on a PR mission to save his job, blaming everyone and anyone.

    Rotonda is spot on. How many games have we played with style and flair in the 2.5 seasons the muppet has been in charge?

    10 out of 100+ games at a guess and then not for 90mins.

    Bye bye Pardew. Loser.

  • 46 boater // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Shane – Arsenal lose their best players every summer and still finish in the top 4. No one expected us to storm the european spots after Ba left – but not to capitulate to the weakest teams in the division week after week- without so much as a game plan of our own – is a reasonable expectation with this team.

  • 47 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    BandB…Rivalry in football can and does get taken to far. It’s a thin line between banter and abuse and it doesn’t even stop with rivals, but fans of the same team.

    I think you are referring to fans not born in to Newcastle? I think there are two huge factors in that, the first being Keegans entertainers, followed by Sir Bobbys reign. We were so many people second team at that time and I think many people fell in love with the club.

    For me, my Mum is a born and raised Geordie, so it’s in my blood…perhaps a transfusion is needed? :)

    I do hope your spirits are raised soon enough, despite mine surprisingly being in place, I do understand why others aren’t. It’s been one long and painful season with little to be happy about.

  • 48 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Shane>

    You are wasting your breath trying to argue with Rotonda on Pardew.

    Rotonda believes Pardew is THE anti-christ and will bring about the end of the world with his tactics.

    Apparently 11 players on the field have absolutely nothing to do with with this football lark other than a mere distraction for Pardew’s evil masterplan!

  • 49 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    @GeordieDan

    not that im sticking up for rotonda but can you answer this?

    why are these 11 players playing like this every game?

    the only common denominator is the manager.

  • 50 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    AND I must quickly add that I am no Pardew admirer-I think he’s punching well above his weight at our club (and having the snot beaten out of him).

    But I see no point whatsoever in having a go and blaming him for absolutely everything gone wrong with our club in EVERY SINGLE post as Rotonda does.

    Honestly why even bother?

  • 51 Jackel001 // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Pards is one of the reasons are season has been abysmal but for god sake there have been a whole host of problems.

    High horse OFF.

  • 52 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    I just dread the start of the boos at St Jame’s Park. It will actually break my heart.

    Any banner saying “Pardew Out” is just disgusting, i don’t agree with any of that and hope we don’t have to see it. The man is trying his best in a job perhaps he isn’t cut out for but he is trying his best.

    If Ashley decides to sack him in the summer and has a plan then by all means i’m for it.

  • 53 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    Kilkine>

    See above mate…

    Pardew is NOT a great manager, he is deservedly average at best but talks a marvellous game.

    If we got a new top manager in come the summer nobody would be happier than me but I don’t like and will not support anyone who constantly barracks our current manager whoever that might be.

    It does nowt and nobody any good.

  • 54 toonbrother // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    Only way any pride can be restored is by us winning all our remainining games this season. It is POSSIBLE if Pardew chooses the right team and leaves poor performers like Gutierez on the bench for a change

  • 55 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    What a nightmare season.

    So much quality in the side.
    What a crap coach, hard to believe anyone wants him for another season.

  • 56 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Hatem’s better than Messi

    I don’t think anybody has said they want him for another season, just back him while the man’s here trying to do the job.

  • 57 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Toonbrother>

    Well Mr Pardew is about to lose both of the excuses he had clinged to all season:

    1) “European games mid-week have us too tired to play at the weekend” (not an issue anymore Alan) and,

    2)”Too many injuries have cost us dearly”-Admittedly Krul is a new exception but pretty much everyone else is now back to pick from.

    We’ll see what happens with our new fresh and rested team-surely Pardew will now win every match?

    Right??? 😀

  • 58 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    About as hard to believe as a decent poster feeling he doesn’t want to post anymore due to someone venting at him when he hasn’t actually done anything wrong.

  • 59 magpie6699 // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    GeordieDan (52). I’m with you. I don’t blame Pardew for all of Sunday’s debacle – tell me one player who performed as we and the manager would have expected them to? We need to get behind the WHOLE team now till the end of the season and take stock.

  • 60 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Pride can’t be restored until the next derby.

    We can win every game for six months but pride won’t be returned until we beat them and beat them well.

  • 61 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Ibiza

    The scumbag attacked me first post and btw what is it to do with you?

    Butt out you shit stirring twat.

  • 62 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    @geordiedan – yeah seen that after posting.

    shane, i know what you mean but at the same time the people who pay to go and watch this tripe have every right to voice their opinion.

    i was in jesmond a couple of years ago standing outside of osbourns slagging shola, my mate said ‘he’s behind you, you know’

    so i turned around and told shola that was what i thought and as a season ticket holder of 20 years i was entitled to my opinion as the only reason he gets paid is because of people like me.

    if we accept average performances that is exactly what we will get, or should i say are getting.

  • 63 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Stuart

    I agree. If it comes to a star striker then watch oot cos we’ll get mad like.

    If its the single handed dismantling of a wealth of talent most are like ‘well Alan is a top geezer like. Yeah he got us 5th last year and we never do that like’.

    Absolute misplaced loyalty has always been the embodiment of a majority of hardcore toon fans. I’m hardcore but (as often is pointed out as an insult) I’m not from the area.

    That may entitle me to a more objective view as I’m not caught in the bubble as much, but I’m reality we always put all the passion into one thing. Toon fans I’ve met are synonymous for not seeing the wood for the trees.

    Take for example sir Bobby. A small collective blamed him for missing out on Champions League and so campaigned to get him removed (even nufc.com were part of it).

    Most fans couldn’t see that the season was a success and Bobby was the right man to take us forward so when he should have been passionately defended the short sighted fans amongst us saw the league finish, turned their backs and allowed him to be fed to the lions. Something I have never forgiven my fellow supporters for. He wasn’t to blame, the board was and we should have fought against them instead of ignoring Bobby.

    Learning from history this time I believe Pardew is the man that needs to go.

    We have a habit of concentrating of disapproval in the wrong areas. Fan power is very real but it only succeeds when we all aim for the same thing.

    Even those that like Pardew submit that a better manager and an upgrade would be in the best interest of our club. For me there needs to be a shift back centre from the fans because we are far from united.

    We only come together in times of crisis and we should’ve been having these discussions a year ago. The only way to be better supporters is to debate, discuss and find direction we can commonly agree upon. That’s hard but it saves the hardcore fans trapped in a bubble of self importance dictate the future of the club.

    They need to stop blaming injuries and investment in a way to recompense what they did to Bobby and they need to be vocal and true to what’s direction we need to take!

    Step 1 for me is a an upgrade in manager. We need to stop short of angry protests and take a more sensible approach of peaceful discussions and highlighting through social media that we want better.

    I think the vocal louts that had bobby thrown out need to channel their emotions, forgive themselves and look long and hard at the situation to come to the conclusion that Pardew is a decent manager but not decent enough for us. We deserve better.

    He is the manager that Gotham needs but not the one it needs right now.

    That made no sense.

    The future of this club isn’t 50 Geordies gathered in a corner shouting abuse at Ashley it’s you, me, Ibiza , markaccus, rotunda, ruddy, torq, catchy etc… Debating and taking our view points to matches and discussing it with other fans until enough of us believe that’s what’s right and then moving us forward through discussions with the board.

    Essay over.

  • 64 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    Ibiza>

    We missing something?

  • 65 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Hatem…What does it have to do with me? Well you have made a poster whose opinion I personally value not want to contribute anymore.

    You say he attacked you, when really all he said was something to the effect of “we all know peoples opinions on Pardew, can we talk about something else”.

    If you felt aggrieved you could have said something like, I’ve just got here and want to have my say. But no, as per usual you went on the attack when there is no need. We’re not just virtual punch bags for you.

    Scumbag? For wanting to change topic? Absolutely brilliant.

  • 66 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Well I have calmed since the derby day, enough to come back and have a gander on here and its, well, as expected shall we say

    The standard after loss comment makers are out in force with added bile because it was a derby we lost.

    I (like a lot it seems) am neither hugely pro Pardew or hugely anti Pardew though I suppose I am more pro than anti. Blaming him for the derby result is odd imo the team he put out was more than able to rip the team that PDC put out apart but our PLAYERS were gutless, heartless, asleep and muck no player in black and white came out with a shred of dignity for me.

    I wont turn on my team though it will be the wake up call to our players hopefully u dont work for the win u wont get the win and hopefully a wake up call to Pardew, Carver and the coaching staff because come summer they will have a lot to answer for and Id imagine our chunky owner will have plenty of questions. I still believe we will stay up even if it is by the skin of our teeth and next season we begin fresh start from the basics and stop relying on our apparently world class players

  • 67 Jackel001 // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Scumbag is out of order.

  • 68 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    lol bunch of tarts

  • 69 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    Ibiza doing his blog police bit … again

  • 70 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    GeordieDan…You may well be :)

    Just a conversation between Hatem and Torq earlier today.

    Beattie…An inspirational post, top job, even if I don’t agree with all your points, great approach.

  • 71 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    magpie6699>

    Yep, totally agree not one player was up to scratch. I mean even BASIC stuff like knowing Adam Johnson prefers his left boot !! (as he showed by smashing a goal in against us at SJP when playing for Man City for example!).

    You can see Tiote in particular just watch him breeze by in to acres of space to pick his spot.

    And as for their last goal, fantastic strike or not, how the hell did he get the time to even attempt it?

    Lazy, amateur performance in a derby-INEXCUSABLE!

    Aaaaarrrrgggghh I’m getting angry again. 😀

  • 72 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Hatem…The flip side to that is not to abuse other posters then nothing would need to be said. Is it that you’re not capable of having a reasoned discussion?

  • 73 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Yo…Welcome back to the mix. Talking just about the Sunderland game, I do agree. We can pick apart Pardew like we do each and every week, but not even one of the players really showed up on Sunday and that is pathetic.

  • 74 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:21 PM

    Ibiza

    What don’t you agree with? That’s unfair to say and not give me pointers

  • 75 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Hatem,
    Give it a rest mate. Most people on the blog enjoy Torqs contributions and his insights. Can the same be said of your posts?

  • 76 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Everyone is allowed to express their opinions how they want. If they want to hold banners up calling for Pardews head then they should be allowed to without being targeted by those who support him.

    I want Pardew to be given time, mainly cos I don’t see us attracting a top manager but I’ve no problem with those who want him sacked.

    That’s football.

    The ones I cannot understand are those who criticise everything he does but want to give him time. What’s that about.? You either want him out or you don’t.

  • 77 wolfshead@toon // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    kilcline cheered me up lmao @number 3 :-))

  • 78 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    troy – as for being young , your way off the mark make, my first game was jackie milburns testamonial , do you remember it? talking on managers we have got sacked. what did we do to get jackie charlton the sack? nowt . the board sacked him coz he was sh<t
    souness- i was at wigan that night we got beat 1-0 after the game we stayed back shouting souness out, i think that was his last game.but again it was simply because he was sh/t he got sacked – not because a few fans stayed behind shouting at him to leave, gullit got sacked for getting beat off sunderland , and for his dislike of shearer. ok the fans wernt happy with his descision , but he didnt get the sack because of us.
    fat sam- was here before ash, he was going anyway regardless if he won the league, champions league, or the world cup , he was gone.
    gordon lee at least took us to wembley, cant remember all the rants about him at the time, what were they .?
    richard dinniss. far as i can remember he wasnt a proper manager, not sure , more of a caretaker manager at the time i think, however cant remember any full on riots to get rid of him. so yeah managers have been sacked , but only coz they were cr.p and were going tobe sacked anyway.

  • 79 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Ibiza
    Cheers mate though I may not be in the mix for too long judging by the comments on this article. Purely on derby match the fans have been let down by every single player at NUFC imo its was easy for Sunderland to walk into our house and run all over us however some fans then followed suit and let themselves down afterwards

    Newcastle made a tit of itself all over that day. Still its time to pick ourselves up dust ourselves off and carry on

  • 80 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Beattie… Sorry, would have thought it obvious given our many discussions in the past :)

    In principle I agree with your whole concept there, but the issue still comes down to agreeing that the trigger needs to be pulled on Pardew.

    Your argument is really down to “because we can do better than him”, which on the face of it is extremely hard to argue with as if we can get better then we should. But to actively try and out a man who has done well given his parameters I don’t completely agree with. Obviously it’s a huge grey area and at some point it was likely Pardew would need to be changed and how do you approach that reasonably? You can’t really, so your approach is probably the most reasonable at the end of the day.

    Failing that, as others have suggested, “promote” Pardew as more of a director type figure and replace all below him with a different style. Whether it’s manageable I don’t know, nor do I think we must be that sentimental about it.

    Yours, the fence sitter.

  • 81 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    I’ll change topic.

    Can we really achieve any level of continued success with the tiny investment of a multi billionaire?

    Pardew out will perhaps give us short time success but ultimately we need to have bigger and better sponsorship and massive investment into grass roots football and start a proper academy that can rival bigger clubs.

    For me, without that, we might as well just give up.

    Do you think Ashley will ever invest massive money into the areas that need it or will we always scrape by doing what we can for the least we can?

  • 82 BandB // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Torq did call Hatem’s article “very silly”. So it’s not quite how Ibiza paints it. And WWYCD kicks off with an equally gratitious and equally predictable jibe at the post-defeat crowd.
    Do you think you are some pure-breed, master race among fans? Marked out by your superior loyalty?
    It would be far better is there were a few more matches and results for people to celebrate.
    I’m off to join Torq. I’m sure I’ll get a state funeral too.

  • 83 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    ibiza

    you say

    ”We can pick apart Pardew like we do each and every week”

    Doesn’t that kind of say everything. Don’t think we had this with KK and SBR

  • 84 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Yo…Spot on, word for word. Hard pill to swallow, but we do have to move on, what’s the alternative?

  • 85 BandB // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    And Ibiza,

    You don’t get it mate. My disillusion meant and shame is NOTHING to do with how many points we have on the board. It’s about abuse, including the kind of response aimed at Torq.

  • 86 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    bandB

    wwycd has always had a superiority complex. Based on what I’m not quite sure.

  • 87 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Beattie
    Change of topic I am all for mate haha

    I firmly believe Ashley wont invest heavily however that doesnt mean we wont get the academy, medical upgrade and grass roots footballing the huge sum of money coming in next season is all for the club (possibly once we pay back fat Ash his loaned in money but that should be taken over a period of time if hes in it for the long run)

    Now hes been after a self sufficient club since he bought us and that will go a long way to making us just that and once we are making money we dont need his investment we just need him not to be taking too much in dividends…which could prove a issue

  • 88 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    Ibiza>

    Torq is usually great on here. Got a lot of time for his posts in general.

    Not sure whats been said but hope he gets back on here soon. Sometimes people just come on here to pick a fight or wind others up and occassionally it gets to the stage where you just think f**k this why am I bothering to contribute when I’m not enjoying it.

    I’ve got a short fuse sometimes and genuinely had to leave this blog alone for a while after Rotonda really really pissed me off a few months back.

    I come on here to talk football not b*****t and thats why I don’t post much myself now coz there too much hand-bagging going on for me.

  • 89 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Ibiza

    I understand but I am not saying we should go and boo him or campaign violently for his removal.

    I’m saying like we did for the right back.

    Simpson was solid, of that there was no doubt, but we all agreed we needed to upgrade.

    That little seed started in a forum, it spread to the terraces, then to journos and then to the club. We knew we needed better to go forward and without booing, complaining or insulting we managed to highlight that fact to the board.

    Now the board failed to do anything about it and whilst Simpson wasn’t at fault for lots, his lack of quality showed through many times. The board realised the fans were right and brought in Debuchy, far too late though.

    This indicates a lot of similarities. If we talk about it, the journos feel the mood, this gets back to the club and perhaps this time Ashley thinks ‘well why wait? look where it’s got us before’.

    I’m not asking for Pardew to be shot I’m just asking for better and offering to you that why wait?

    It’s like waiting to see if a dying cat will suddenly leap up and be all better. Take it to a vet man.

  • 90 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Rotonda> Post 85

    Now that’s frickin’ hilarious! Talk about hypocritical. 😀

  • 91 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    BandB…I really am not trying to start anything, but here is exactly what got Hatem wound up

    “Hatem – I think we know many people’s opinions on pardew, but he isn’t going anywhere until at least the summer. So can talk about something else…it’s like groundhog day on this place at times. :-)”

    Where is the issue?

    Not sure if the superior comment was at me or WWYCD, but either way I think you’re off the mark, we like everyone else are giving our opinions, I’ve had a fair few calling me out the past few days and looking for me to apologise for my previous / current views – I didn’t notice too many calls for all fans being equal then.

    Anyway, I hope you enjoy your day and don’t leave us for too long, I have enjoyed our discussions recently.

    Rotonda…Can’t really comment tbh, I was never on here during those times, but from my time here it’s a week in week out thing to do. Analyze. It wasn’t meant as a dig, more that Pardew didn’t really do any different in his set up but the players were more woeful than I’ve seen them in a good long while.

  • 92 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Wwycd

    I think that Ashley is making us an attractive club to buy for the future without putting massive money in. I think he thinks he can triple his money in the next 5 years and get his debt paid back but only by doing the least he possibly can.

    He’ll lay the foundations and hope that a richer man or big consortium will by him out for a good price.

    I think that’s been his plan all along.

    I hope that happens soon though because I look ahead in 10 years and see nothing but darkness if I’m honest.

    All around us clubs are getting category 1 status (even the scum on wear and the scum on Teesside), some are investing fortunes into the next generation of children and we are penny pinching and teaching them how to play hoof ball and not lose.

    God I wish I founded Facebook, we’d never struggle again.

  • 93 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    Beattie…Fair enough. To be honest not sure how much more debate I’ve got in me for now.

    What I will say is why wait? Because we are not in control is Ashley has his plan, whatever that may be.

    You claim it was likely from disgruntled fans that made the the choice to upgrade Simpson, when really we have no idea. He was an obvious weak link in an improving team (well player for player at least).

    On your change of topic to Ashley. I really don’t know what to think about him. He’s done some good and some bad and i want to believe his intentions but there is always a little cloud of doubt. Huge summer for him as far as showing the fans what he wants and I am reserving any further judgement until then.

  • 94 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Beatbook?

  • 95 PardewsBeard // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    I really don’t know which manager people expect to work under ashley, so far I haven’t seen many realistic options.

  • 96 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Beatbook is the dream.

  • 97 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    Gerodie dan

    Why bother? Because I’m sick of it man. match after match, same old same old with some really good players out of position , de- motivated, c–p negative hoof ball tactics and not one time has Pardew held his hands up.

    He’s blamed everyone from the youth, refs, injuries, Europa blah blah. It’s always someones else’s fault. He’s so up himself he banned people from watching his one tactic training sessions.

  • 98 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    shane @51 so pardews trying his best! – sadly thats not good enough. weve had loads of managers who have ” tried their best ” but if your sh/t , you have to be sacked .
    no sentamentality in football i,m afraid.

  • 99 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    we all assume ash won’t appoint anyone good given his record but in reality I’m not sure that is necessarily the case the longer he stays with NUFC

  • 100 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    BandB/Rotonda
    Fair enough

    Beattie
    I dont think Ashleys in it for the long run, dont think he ever has been tbh saw a quick profit to be made and got stung because of his naivety, but now in the medium future I dont think anyone will be looking to buy a club unless its a super rich which I doubt we are lucky enough to get (different question to if we would actually want that)

    Its embarrassing that we didnt get category 1 status and I agree its very disheartening how little we have done to build from grass roots but thats not entirely down to Ashley NUFC has taken little to no interest in developing players for a while now which is a shame.

    Haha would u buy NUFC if u had founded facebook?

  • 101 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Geordie dan

    not sure why you felt the need to get involved with my comment at 85. Don’t think it was directed at you was it.

  • 102 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    WWYCD didnt we get gategory 1 status on appeal or 2nd attempt or something ??

  • 103 toonbrother // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Pardew’s fresh out of excuses. A squad as good as ours should be able to get 15 points from our remaining games this season. If he cant deliver he should find another job this summer

  • 104 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    @Stuart

    You surprise me. You are older than your judgements suggest.

    Since when do fans rampage if a manager is good?

    You must have had your head in the sand if you don’t recall the Demi’s against Fat Sam, Souness and Gullit. I thought you must have been young and never witnessed these events but now you’ve told me you are old, I’m now thinking very old and your memory has faded.

    Jack Charlton went ballistic with the Toonfans who openly criticised him pitch side for his long ball style. He resigned because of it after a year in charge.

    Don’t talk bollox fella.

  • 105 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    stuart
    Are we not still waiting on the decision? Am sure we were going to fail the appeal and they agreed to put the decision back so we had more time. I cant remember if it was resolved

  • 106 Toon-Prodigy // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    Now this is just becoming pathetic.

    Last season was sh*t?

    Peoples hatred towards Pardew is making some people look fools here.

    Have people really dismissed a whole course of last season down to luck and sh*t football last season? Well, it’s true to form you cannot give Pardew any credit for it?

    Have people forgot our 11 game unbeaten run at the start of last season, equaling a record I do believe?

    Have people forgot we took four points off Man U and in the process smashing them 3-0 at home?

    Or beating the Makums 1-0 away? Over the wall.

    How about taking points from Spurs and Arsenal?

    The cracking performances away to Swansea and West Brom?

    15 clean sheets in one Premier League season is excellent. That is not luck.

    Ba and Cisse’s form?

    Ben Arfa’s wonder goals? His great season returning from a horrendous injury?

    Pardew has had one cracking season and one which he couldn’t do much more with this season. Any reasonable headed football fan would say he will be judged next season given the problems that has surfaced this season. So many problems I just can’t be bothered to list anymore. This hatred has spanned back to November from a dip in form. It was knee jerk then and is still knee jerk now.

    Nobody has been proven right in anway in any of this because we still have not had anywhere near the quality out on the park for any success of games we would like. We have 5 new players who have only been here for 10-11 weeks? No one can possibly judge Pardew correctly until next season. It’s impossible. Even judging him on this season and saying our football last season was sh*t and undeserved is border line lunacy. We had a fantastic season, all of our players hit decent form. Believe it or not, that is down to Pardew and our coaching staff who you deem to be useless less than 12 months later. THEY did it. They ACHIEVED it.

    We have just got to the quarters of the Europa League.

    No wonder we never see any stability here.

    Absolute lunacy to even judge a manager by saying last season was sh*t and lucky and then trying to judge him on a season what has been set up for failure since day one.

    Sorry lads, but im not with u’s. im the complete opposite and I have no problem with that. I’ll keep the faith until I see some real wrong doings that warrant a change of manager. For me that time is not now.

    You can always upgrade to better. Upgrades are always good. But knocking a manager and judging him when his hands have been tied all season is wrong. Especially when the coaching set-up did brilliant last season. Next season is where you can rightly judge the man.

  • 107 DokToon // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    ibiza @ 46 (and BandB too)

    just because one is not born a geordie, does not 100% mean that one cannot follow and love the club the proper way… i believe i follow the club and support it well, even though i seem to be the only toon fan in texas that i know of…

    if i had feelings, theyd be hurt… :(

  • 108 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    Love or Hate Ashley he has a plan and looks to be learning from his mistakes.We won’t really know until the start of next season weather he shows ambition to push on or weather the January spending spree was to safe guard his investment.Hopefuly this also includes investment in a new manager and coaching set up

  • 109 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Toon-Prodigy

    Spot on, great post!!

  • 110 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    I believe the players are overrated. This is as much to blame as the average talent of Pardew.

  • 111 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    @stuart – no we didnt, we have allegedly corrected the things that stopped us getting the top grade, we were never made aware of what those problems were.

  • 112 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Rotonda>

    Actually completely agree with you that Pardew has used every excuse going to take the blame off himself but why do feel the need to express your frustration (that we probably all share to an extent) in EVERY SINGLE post?

    As I said before Pardew is not a great manager but there is no benefit from hammering him constantly because:

    a)The players themselves are very much to blame themselves this season and,

    b)We will not be getting a top manager in while Mike Ashley is the owner. No decent manager would operate under him, not one. That’s why we scrape the “Kinear barrell” when we appoint manager over the last few years.

    Cheap, yes men who will put with being manipulated by Ashley who are actually great managers a hard to come by!

    Ashely had a very decent one(and a great man) in Chris Hughton but opted to choose Pardew’s “experience” instead.

    Unfortunately your Pardew out chants will fall on deaf ears regardless until Mike eventually sells up I fear.

  • 113 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    @Toon prodigy

    Good post.

  • 114 GoalsBringSmiles // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Beattie @ 80

    I realise the following has been said before but for me this is the real issue at our club. Does Ashley have any real ambition besides commercial sustainability? His reactionary transfer policy would suggest not. In which case, Pardew is the ideal man for the job, as he will not challenge the owner’s policy in the way that a truly passionate manager might (though I accept that it may not be a lack of passion but rather Pardew’s ‘debt’ to MA and DL which makes him such a Patsy)

    The ‘worst defeat in 34 years’ has to come down in some part on the owner however, given the limitations he has put down on Pardew. Equally, Pardew does seem to have an uncanny knack of draining all creativity and fluency out of our team. Newcastle United have been awful to watch this season, really painfully frustrating. We lack discipline, organisation and most importantly, flair. Our set piece play is abysmal. All of these issues have to come down on the manager and coaches of the club. Combine this with a lack of investment in the squad in the summer and no replacement being brought in for Demba Ba and we have a recipe for mediocrity, a dish I am tired of being served.

    I can’t help but wonder where we’d be now had we kept the likes of Nolan and Barton, REAL leaders on the pitch and added to them the players we have recently bought. That to me would have been truly progressive and ambitious

  • 115 DokToon // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    toon prodigy…

    well said, hats off!

  • 116 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    kilclines, so as yet we are still gategory 2 ??, bit shocked at that.

  • 117 John Tudor // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    at the end of the day pardew picks the team tells them how to play if it goes well hooray if it goes wrong hes clueless .if the players know hes clueless they cant play

  • 118 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Prodigy…How can you say that? Pardew is rubbish 😉

    Dok….Ermm, if I said anything to make you think people from outside of Newcastle cannot follow or support it then I apologise. Couldn’t be further from what I meant or feel.

    Yo & Stuart…Last I heard is we were being given more time, but that was a hood while back now, not heard anything since.

  • 119 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Dok…Nor do I think that’s what BandB was saying, incidentally.

  • 120 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    There must be a clause in Pardews contract in which ashley can sack him. maybe he can only sack him at the end of the season when he reviews his performance throughout the season. maybe thats why we didnt sack him during the season.

  • 121 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    stuart, yeah i dont think they review and change the classes for a couple of years to give clubs time to implement change.

  • 122 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    To be a self sustaining club we have to be successful on the pitch and that will never happen with Pardew.How can we expect to bring in big sponsors with mediocre football hence Wonga

  • 123 GeordieDan // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Toon-Prodigy>

    Goods points well made. :)

  • 124 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    troy- try to keep the insults to yourself fella it only makes you sound like you dont know how to debate , or your lost for words in the argument, and need to throw a few insults around, dont worry your not the only one.
    all i am saying is that all the managers who have been sacked since the 70, have brought it upon them there selfs, we wernt the cause for every manager getting the sack. – and not even 1 insult, try it !

  • 125 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    @daztoon, exactly we have to be attracting fans, and that only happens if you win something (shame but i cant see it any time soon) or you play good passing football, which we have seen in the past and made us a lot of peoples second teams back then.

  • 126 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Toon-Prodify
    Ah it was all luck u cheeky mare 😉

  • 127 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Toon-Prodigy*

  • 128 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    The foreign players we have are brought up with playing the ball on the ground and pardew cannot see that.pardew is more suited to managing players like carroll. we need a manager that plays the ball on the ground to get the best out of our players. someone like rodgers but gets the ball upfield quicker. pardew is oldfashioned we need a young manager with fresh ideas just what liverpool done by getting rid of dogleash and replacing him with rodgers.i am all for stability but with a proven manager that likes to attack

  • 129 Spotlight Kid // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    Toon-Prodigy@105

    Pardew inherited a solid team (and more importantly team spirit) that was going through a minor blip following an exemplary series of results under Hughton. That team was the backbone of his initial full season. However, the signs were already there all last season that something was going wrong with too many lucky results masking the poor performances – and let’s not forget the abject failure to finish 4th when it was there for the taking.

    This season the lucky results changed, the number of games increased, and Pardew was found out. He is not a Premiership manager.

  • 130 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    troy – so are you saying the next home game we just verbally abuse pardew for 90 mins, on monday hell get the sack ?. well if your theory works , and by the sound of it , it does – i,m up for giving it a go, so next week he,ll be gone ?.

  • 131 DokToon // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    ibiza

    no worries at all… i do have two friends here, one a blackburn supporter, and one a brad city fan, both from those respective cities, and they watch much of the matches with me. both have said when we all go to st james, i will fit right in, so i take that as a huge compliment :)

    i was trying to be a little funny and sacastic, i know you mean no ill will… BandB, keep your head up :)

  • 132 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Dok…Glad to hear it :)

  • 133 iggystinger // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    I think for the quality of players and squad we, ve got we need a higher calibre of manager and I would change pardew in the summer, he, s done a decent job but time for a new guy and new ideas a manager whos had the experience of winning trophies and a winning mentality who can get performances from the players week in week out , pardew just cant seem to get the players motivated or disciplined enough in his formations during games at times were all over the place nobody knows what there doing the defensive unit has been shocking, so a change in the summer for me is necessary.

  • 134 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    chant “you dont know what your doing” and then he will get the message

  • 135 tunearmy // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Is Pardew is the opposite of King Midas?

    When players first come here they look so good but quickly fade.
    Either playing out of position or being stifled by playing defensive and cautious, which by its nature this will have a negative effect.

    Occasionally we have seen the team really attacking and you can see the players being lifted as they pass, move and run with fluidity and creativity and seem to be having fun.

    One of these ways of playing makes us jump about and sing our hearts out, the other makes us bite our nails and watch the clock.

    One lets the players do what comes natural to them and is what newcastle fans expect, the other is not working.

  • 136 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Under kk in the 90’s we were everyone’s second team and everyone enjoyed watching us play.Now it’s even hard for our own fans to watch never mind anyone else

  • 137 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    WWYCD – think i recall we had something like 6 months to put it right, cant remember when that was , will have to do some digging.

  • 138 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    an article from frank de boer on anita before he joined http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/frank-de-boer-backs-vurnon-1369506 just goes to show that pardew hasnt a clue

  • 139 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    on the topic ‘what happened to tiote’ simple as this.

    pardew has ruined him.

    on this topic.

    finish above sunderland should restore a bit of my pride then beat them at the start of next season should be fully restored

  • 140 Toon-Prodigy // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Give him the time and give him the fair shot him and the coaching staff rightly deserve.

    This season has not been a fair shot.

    If he dosn’t live upto expectations change it up at Christmas.

    That is the reasonable outlook. Not name calling or shouting hate from November. I get it where wounded, but be reasonable and don’t lose perspective of the good we have seen over his reign

    Got to go lads.

    Have a pleasant evening. Te roo

  • 141 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    I really don’t see how people can’t see when curnch time is called upon Pardrew really lacks Enthusiasm and Sophistication.

    When you look at it he never has a plan B basically does not know what to do with the team. Never has a bright idea for the team to play it’s just the same old boring bu**sh*t every week.

  • 142 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    tiote had his best games for us under hughton

  • 143 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    stuart
    Seems the decision will be made at the end of the season judging by this

    http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/10187334.THE_INSIDER__Newcastle_could_still_achieve_top_academy_status/

  • 144 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    pardew has us in a worse position then hughton had us in so pardew should get the sack in the eyes of ashley

  • 145 chris_g // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    Just getting back on topic for a moment, I was gobsmacked when I read those latest comments by Pardew. When he talks about next season he says nothing about aiming for another top 5/6 finish or, heaven forbid, actually trying to win a trophy! The height of his ambition seems to be to make sure that we finish above the scum in the league, so presumably 16th would be acceptable, as long as they finished 17th.

    I can think of much better ways of trying to restore a bit of Geordie pride, and I’m sure Pards can as well, so I’m a bit surprised that he didn’t mention them.

  • 146 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    And on a side note he is prob doing santon’s woman…What we could have achieved with someone like AVB is just so unpredictable.

  • 147 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    He’s had nearly 2. 1/2 years to get the coaches he needs it would be like starting again so why not change the manager too

  • 148 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Prodigy

    And the same repetitious words came asunder. What a load if rubbish.

    That was the kind of misdirected, self indulgent crap that only I’d be proud off.

    If you read my posts I said Pardew took more credit than he deserved for last season and a large part of it was down to luck, individual brilliance and other teams being crap.

    Pardew masterminded 3 or 4 goods performances and even less over 90 minutes last season.

    Fans like up you serve to only stoke your own fire with the putrid gas that escapes your mouth.

    What a joke. I dare anyone to give me 5 games last season we were 100% deserved winners. 5 games we controlled from start to finish. 5 games we were at our peak.

    You can’t, it’s impossible as it never happened.

    The team deserve most of the credit for overcoming the horrible tactics, negative methods and desire not to lose.

    The season to the untrained and lazy eyes was a success but to me in terms of footballing quality it was shit.

    I could bake a cake a post a photo making it look amazing. But if the way I cooked it was wrong and it tasted shit then surely it was shit.

  • 149 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    kilclines– every 3 years i believe. just been in touch with my son , hes a physio at millwall and they have just gained gategory 2 status for the first time. with newcastle it was minor thing that needed tweeking and i think thats why they were given 6 months.

  • 150 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Prodigy

    This season hasn’t been fair?

    Ha ha ha ha ha

    How jovial is that? It hasn’t been fair! God almighty give me strength

  • 151 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    @Stuart

    What on earth are you talking about?

    You have simply said we don’t hammer managers enough to get shot of them.

    I have given you examples and there are many more in our history where managers have been hounded out. We have just got rid of our tag for chopping and changing.

    I have said earlier, I have no problem with fans chanting for his sack. That’s their prerogative. Being your banners. I won’t stop anyone.

    I’m actually supporting Pards at this time. For the reasons I’ve gave on the previous thread.

    Bring your banner along Stuart and others might follow. If they do, I have no doubt Ashley will take action like previous chairmen have in the past.

  • 152 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    @WWYCD – that is the only report i can find that says that, everything else is to the contrary.

    besides, it says later in the season, there is not much later you can get in the season, only 5 games plus cup finals to play.

  • 153 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    @troy, just to be an arse, you were wrong about gullit, he walked and saved us a small fortune.

  • 154 tunearmy // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Jesus! look at that picture, I’m starting to feel sorry for him. wtf

  • 155 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Beattie25 – Anti Pardew Crew

    i completely agree with your view on pardew. he makes all our new players look like shite after 2 weeks. what kind of a manager puts a defensive midfielder left wing its absoutly disgraceful and why does he have benarfa tracking back as if he is a defender you dont see hazard , suaraz or messi doing that he really dont know how to get the best out of our players. we cannot score from set pieces which begs me to ask what we do on the training field. i want to see the ball being played on the ground and to win 2 or 3 more goals. who would you like to see in charge??

  • 156 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Troy

    You talk like Pardew hasn’t already faced vocal demonstrations for his putrid efforts.

    I’m sure I recall 2 situations already this season where a lot of supporters cried ‘you don’t know what you’re doing’.

    The discontent has already started but I actually disagree with demonstrations whilst the manager is in charge this late into a season as it will only serve to make the players worse.

    When the season ends the real discussions begin.

  • 157 John Tudor // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    hes looking at a loaded gun left on the table

  • 158 JAMSHA // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

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  • 159 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    WWYCD – yeah remember now. still a shock really,. tou would just automatically think we would be up there!

  • 160 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    At least all of these pots show we all still care… I wonder if Pardew an’ his crew of Joker-Coaches are analysing it as much… I agree with the post above – Until we beat Sunderland well in the next game… Pride will be hard to come by…

  • 161 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    brian
    Thats the only report I could find mate haha all the other reports I could find were from the back end of last year, nothing seems to of been mentioned about it since Jan

  • 162 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    also people criticizing santon tiote anita etc its the way they are being coached and what they are being told to do

  • 163 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    stuart
    Yeah it annoyed me a fair bit when it came out we had missed out on it its embarrassing for any PL club to miss out on it specially one “building for the future” like we are meant to be

  • 164 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    I’m a psychology graduate and have worked as a criminal profiler and can tell you that in the above picture Pardew is worried only for his own well being. He is nervous, uncomfortable and lost in his own thoughts. He displays insecurity and is slightly panicked and is trying to think of what to say to someone he is about to talk to.

    He is self cantered and not one emotive feature conveys any sense of sadness for others only concern for himself.

    Therefore it is safe to assume he doesn’t care about the 52 000 people that had hearts broken on Sunday. He only cares how they perceive him and how it reflects on him and his future.

  • 165 BandB // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Forgot me keys (ahem)
    Just didn’t want to take a break without telling Ibiza that it was the second comment addressed directly at him, and I wasn’t having a personal dig at anyone. I wasn’t having a dig.
    When I first started posting (to get noticed…..PidgeonMole…welcome to the board, being ignored isn’t the worst possible start) I took a swing at a few of the bigger lads. I regret that. Banter is fine, but ending or starting a post with “moron” isn’t. I never used words like that, but I was still a mouthy smart-arse. Now I try to stick to worries about the club, and hopes. I kept my fears about the manager quiet until I began to see him as part of the problem. I don’t have a go at players, until, like Stevie Taylor recently, they need to give their heads a shake. So I’m surprised, Ibiza, that you seemed to think I was attacking you. As I said yesterday, I’d rather you were right and I was wrong about everything.

    Dok, I’ve been a supporter for a long time. I’ve been round this roundabout before. It’s not about the performance. The Newcastle-Sunderland rivalry started over which 17th century aristocrat controlled the coal trade. Well there isn’t a coal trade now, and football isn’t a good enough excuse for this kind of contempt and hatred. I came from watching those scenes this morning to seeing fans on this board being called “scumbags.” Only Toon fan in Texas eh? Now THAT’s a name worth having :)

  • 166 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    BanB

    I feel you homey.

    I started off by calling everyone cocks to get noticed and haven’t stopped since.

  • 167 Ketsbaia9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    We have to appoint Sven. It’s a no brainer really. He has one of the best managerial records ever. We need to make 5 first team additions in the summer. These would be ideal:

    Alderweireld
    Douglas
    Belhanda
    Remy
    Benteke

  • 168 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    exactly, the northern echo are akin to the chronicle in the sense that they are told what to write about newcastle otherwise they dont get interviews, which is the main reason they sell papers.

    ashleys PR machine rolls on and on.

    its been this way for decades, a good friend of my dad used to regularly win the prize post in the sunday sun back in the pre ashley days, he ended up getting threats from gangsters about what he was saying in a opinions page and the sunday sun told him they were not going to print any more of his comments. that was from shepard and i bet you that ashley will be worse quite simply because he has more money to be greedy with.

    these people dont get rich by being nice or honest.
    they get there by being complete twats to their fellow man…

    erm, what was my point again? 😉

  • 169 BandB // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    Vive la difference, Beattie.

  • 170 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Kets

    Love you but seriously Sven? As in Goran Erkkison?

    No no no no no no no no no no

  • 171 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    @Beattie Ive never been called a cock by you

    Am I not on the naughty list?

  • 172 WorJordi // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    We need a total overhaul of management in the summer to set ourselves up for a new season and a realistic target of say top 6 and a cup run.

    Going on from this, were AP to stay and we achieved this, the following season we would be in Europe again in some form and the same old excuses and blah blah blah would be flowing from AP

    Look at it, see the cycle and remedy it. Sorry but I think he has had enough time and he must move over/leave in the Summer, along with his underlings

  • 173 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Pony tail

    If you lost anything like that again ill destroy you.

  • 174 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    * lost = post

  • 175 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Kevy

    Are you sure? I thought I had. Oh well maybe you’ll get it soon.

  • 176 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Kevy

    Not get it in a literal sense just verbally.

  • 177 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Kevy

    Cock

  • 178 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    brian
    Are u suggesting a cover up? Haha

    Fully agree mate we are fed what we are by the club and if anyone goes against that they are black listed but nothing can be done about it

  • 179 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    People talk about how well we’d have done this season if such and such was our manager instead of pardew.
    The thing is, you don’t really know that, it’s just speculation. There are cases of good managers not being able to turn a club around too.

  • 180 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    Do any of the posters remember Beatties black list?!

    One of my finer moments on the blog.

    I should bring it back.

    I’m so self indulgent ha ha

  • 181 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    @Beattie25

    im in desperate need of a proxy server ha

  • 182 DokToon // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    BandB,

    thanks, i will be changing my name to reflect that, and not to create a differetn identity :)

  • 183 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Managers in order of prefernce to come join us in the fish bowl,

    Rafa
    Di Matteo
    Solskjaer
    Ruud Gullit 😉

  • 184 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    PPB

    True right enough.

    But it’s a percentage game. You have to give yourself the best possible chance to do the best you can do.

    No good running against usain bolt in a pair of flip flops. You might not beat him in trainers but you’d have a better chance.

  • 185 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    @ Brian

    Ha

  • 186 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    @Beattie maby you have and I can’t remember. But anyhow I like your style a straight forward upfront guy.

    The only thing I hate about this blog is fans living in denial think they are better than other fans like those riots people will come on here and say there not worthy off being fans even though them people are paying there money every week while people on here probably havn’t even been to a game …There not scumbags its part of the newcastle culture ..Look at celtic and rangers I don’t recall them giving out any permanent lifelong bans for alot worse.

  • 187 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Beattie25 – Anti Pardew Crew

    i completely agree with your view on pardew. he makes all our new players look like shite after 2 weeks. what kind of a manager puts a defensive midfielder left wing its absoutly disgraceful and why does he have benarfa tracking back as if he is a defender you dont see hazard ,
    suaraz or messi doing that he really dont know how to
    get the best out of our players. we cannot score from set
    pieces which begs me to ask what we do on the training
    field. i want to see the ball being played on the ground
    and to win 2 or 3 more goals. who would you like to see
    in charge??
    The foreign players we have are brought up with playing the ball on the ground and pardew cannot see that.pardew is more suited to managing players like carroll. we need a manager that plays the ball on the ground to get the best out of our players. someone like rodgers but gets the ball upfield quicker. pardew is oldfashioned we need a young manager with fresh ideas just what liverpool done by getting rid of dogleash and replacing him with rodgers.i am all for stability but with a proven manager that likes to attack

  • 188 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Get Rafa in – He s an actual manager who knows what tactics means…

  • 189 stuart no9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    beattie25 @ 155 — pity there wasnt a picture of ashly with him , then you could of told us if he was getting sacked next week.

  • 190 Eddie // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    I’m tired of criticizing Pardew. I want a new manager to criticize!

  • 191 WorJordi // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    @Shane
    Rafa No – too old/ 5 years ago deffo
    Di Matteo NO – too HUOA
    Solskjaer – Yes – Yes -Yes ( I quite like this suggestion)

    Ruud Gullit – WTF !!!! LOL

  • 192 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Also when it comes to mangers I’d look at the Greek and Turkish leagues.

    How hold on a minute, I ain’t popping crap just yet, here me out.

    We need a man who can handle the pressure of football being the be all and end all of life in the region. A man who know what it’s like to have so many judgemental eyes fixated on your every team sheet. A man who knows how to translate fans passion into a team.

    Greece, Turkey, the Baltic states and even Russia is a pressure cooker of pure intensity and that could suit any manager coming here as many just don’t get it, like it or are suited to it!

  • 193 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    BandB…We did certainly get off to a shaky start, but I believe that is water under the bridge. Whilst I love this club, it is only football and people do matter more.

    Forgive me for thinking there was a dig in there at me, the post wasn’t really clear, but you did accuse me of misrepresenting what was said and for a second I thought I may have – having looked back I really don’t think I did at all.

    Anyway, we all do better with constructive debate rather than name calling, as Beattie can demonstrate 😉

  • 194 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    solsjaer seems to be a popular choice

  • 195 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    @Ichrisho rafa’s record shows he is useless in the premier league he is all about european football don’t you think that would be quite ironic since were not in europe next season.

  • 196 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Kevy

    Nail on the head.

  • 197 Eddie // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    What about Moyes?

  • 198 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    what about a cheeky move for pochetino

  • 199 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Lol, we love Ruud Gullit right?

    Seriously though, I would love Solsjkaer.

  • 200 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    moyes wants to go to germany as its a financially fairer playing field.

  • 201 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    geordie dan

    As far as I know Pardew is still here, we are still dross.
    We lost again, no make that we were humiliated at home by our bitterest rivals. Would love to move on but what to exactly?

    It’s a forum. The topic seems to be a better manager is needed.

  • 202 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    I was quite young when this guy was in charge and don’t remember who it was but he go’s by the nickname of sexy football would that be ruud gullit?

  • 203 WorJordi // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Beattie 25 @ 191

    Good point.
    I know he’s a nutter but PDC on Sunday showed he knows what its all about in 1 game than AP has done in 2 seasons.
    Oops sorry I forgot about his “passion” in the Fulham game.
    A run and jump over a hoarding and a hug from what I bet was a strategically placed member of the crowd.
    I am so fed up of reading what 99% of us feel
    AP please leave. take your coaches with you and lets give the job to someone who can show passion, flair AND COACHING ability. FFS please……….please………………..please……..

  • 204 WorJordi // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    please
    ……………….
    please
    …………..

  • 205 Jackel001 // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    We can argue the toss but end of the day we have pardew and he doesn’t look like he’s going anywhere anytime soon. So get behind the lads, get something on Saturday and maybe things will be looking a little better!

  • 206 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Ds

    So true.

    The landscape of football is changing. Clubs are buying continental players and have continental managers. Soon it’ll be the norm to have a 40 year old European manager.

    The exception is Moyes and ferguson but they are special talents who get the European game.

    There’s a reason why England was left in the dark ages of football. The European players of the 80’s and 90’s started to develop technical skills and abilities above and beyond the English.

    Now these players are all grown up and are managers who instil that ability into their teams.

    Most current English managers were brought up in the hoofball world of 80’s football and most didn’t ply their trade abroad so have no experience if such things.

    How can Pardew put together a wonderful ikea wardrobe without prior experience or a instruction booklet. He can’t.

    He’s an 80’s player who never played outside of London never mind England and has no knowledge of modern football.

    It’s the same for fat Sam and Pulis. They are a dying breed but we have one poisoning our waters.

    It’s time to modernise and get a young European manager with experience as a player playing all over Europe with many various styles.

    I don’t know who but there are many many gifted managers waiting for a bigger bad bet job.

  • 207 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    I wonder if wor shearer has been taking managing courses lately? Maby he could be worth a look .The last time he was in charge he was just through into the job perhaps he could have learned a lot since then?

    I still believe shearer has a big part to play at are club just don’t know what it is yet.

  • 208 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    I still think if Gullit had been able to take the pressure and had a better team opposed to the one left by Dogshit then he might have done better.

    He wanted decent football but didn’t have the time or the patience, he did have the know how but it was too early for him.

  • 209 PAULNUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Ibiza its not justs football to those who have to live and work in the newcastle area. The full city is down after that a lot ov peaple will work with the scumberland fans on site in factorys ect and it is hard to takewhen you cant just turn awayfrom it. Its not just football.

  • 210 John Tudor // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    you have to get behind the lads cause the man in charge is clueless

  • 211 DS_NUFC // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    it seems to me that most peple are fed up with pardew and would like a change,but the question is what does ashley want?

  • 212 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Kevy – its ironic you used ironic in the wrong context… :)
    I think we need someone who can handle the day to day as I do think that Pardew is super tired… have you all senn him in the last few interviews…? ? He looks absolutely on his arse… Ben10 is running the club… I mean he flirts about on the wing for 25 mins and we all think he is a god… he ain’t… With some obvious players out of this squad… Cabaye, Taylor, Krul, Marv… there are squads in the championship better than ours and trained harder…

  • 213 John Tudor // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    he sign one up to play cb now he is peeling tatties in resturant @ training ground

  • 214 Thump // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Pardew seems deflated and has been for a while. In all honesty, I think HE’S the one who needs the break. Give him the season off and let Carver take charge… or anybody else, for that matter.

  • 215 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    Paul…I don’t think I made myself clear. I’m talking about when it turns to violence or abusing other people, in the name of football that is simply not good enough.

    I know how huge football is in peoples lives.

  • 216 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    @ich I would much rather prefer a good young manager but tbh I wouldn’t want rafa but over pardrew I would take that anyday of the week.

  • 217 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    DS – Ashley wants to sell up to the highest bidder.. and anyone who doesnt think that and suddenly he is loving it in newcastle is as dumb as those so called fans on Sunday..

  • 218 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Beattie,
    Gullit straight after KK, totally different story.

    Kevy,
    So because people pay to go to the match every week, they can riot in the city when we lose? And Shearer, please god no. Let him stay comfy on the MOTD couch. There is probably a very good reason he has interviewed for several jobs since us, and none of them have taken him on.

  • 219 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Solsjkaer perfect choice.young,modern style knows the prem league and most of all winner.
    Even Ashley must see the true potential of this great club.If we were playing football the way we were mid 90`s we could attract far better sponsership deals than wonga

  • 220 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    @Lilon
    The 50k fans that go to the match’s every week whom most of the time I would say are 90% geordies run this club end off.

    And them being called scumbags is just wrong …They don’t say we have one off the best supported clubs in england for no reason. Are fans are so passionate and to see the club be shit on by pardrew is hard to take in my eyes.

  • 221 Ashton // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    It would be very stupid to sack Pardew now. It would make our season even worse than it is right now.
    If we secured a PL for next season then by all means we should upgrade our manager and the medical team (most incompetent bunch of morons in all the world of sports).

    I personally would love to have Jupp Heynckes but he is not realistic I believe. Ernesto Valverde plays a very good and attractive football and he is leaving Valencia at the end of the season I think. So he would be a great choice. He is young and tactically very sound he would also be able to bring some Spanish players with him.

  • 222 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    kevy

    shearer couldn’t motivate his best mates owen, Duff, Butt and Given when we went down. In 8 games under him we had a dismal return.

  • 223 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Kevy,
    But that doesn’t mean they can go rioting outside of the club in the city mate. It is hard to take for all fans, but 50k didn’t go rioting just some idiots. I can guarantee I spend more going to Newcastle games then 90% of the fans each season, but I wouldn’t dream of setting fire or smashing things afterwards, not matter how galling the result.

  • 224 Fridge // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    For all Of your guys takling about Solskjær. Here is some info. Yes he has won the title 2 years in a row. This year he has lost the first 4 opening games Of the campaign. He is also getting backed finacielly Of the two norwegians who owned Wimbledon some years back. His staff was brouht with him from manure and the Norwegian league is shite. Just saying. But he gets hi remarks from fergie though????

  • 225 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    Little Ole sounds a good choice but has anyone seen his team perform under his management? (not having a go I just havent) his win % with Molde is 60ish…is that good or expected? Are Molde the dominate club in Norway?

    Plus he turned down Villa because he didnt want to up root his family or leave Molde are we that much of a better option for him in the long run? Would he work under Ashley having limited money to spend and even less impact on player brought in?

  • 226 ToonTitan // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Afternoon Gents

    Long time reader, first time Poster (will avoid the usual opening intro and associated rhetoric!)

    Something has been touched upon here that I wanted to reiterate. I am born and bred in the North East and frankly other than football (and beer) there isn’t really much to do or talk about. I come from a working class family (mines etc.) and since I was little the only plus side to the north east was the passionate football fans and the generally “friendlier” people.

    Until we have a management / owner set up that comes from a similar ilk, they will never be able to live up to our expectations.

    We are a top 10 team but we have to be realistic that beyond that (breaking into the top 6 on a regular basis) we are just not there yet.

    I have been patient with Pardew but I do feel the end of the season is the best time for him to go. His management is average at best and his arrogance has not done him any favors.

    The team needs belief, a reality check and above all a manager who can provide both consistency and growth

    4 years ago I said “nah, we won’t go down” – but we did and it may happen again. Even if we stay up, its time for a new manager and a new approach

  • 227 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Fridge
    Answering questions before I ask them…impressive haha

  • 228 Toon-Prodigy // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Beattie,

    You brake my heart.

    God help anyone who has a difference in opinion to you or who presents facts instead of if’s and buts. I don’t know one Newcastle supporter who did not enjoy last season.

    Seriously, the bitterness from you in regards to a different opinion on a football blog is astounding.

    It’s OK to hold a different opinion without retorting to such behaviour.

    Cheer up Beattie and try not to be so uptight.

  • 229 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    @Lilon I’m not saying they should have went and started riots.

    I’m just saying clearly the loss upsetted them big time I would say there local lads from newcastle and it ment alot to them .You see living in newcastle it would have a huger effect on them its not nice to be embarrassed and humiliated then getting it rubbed in your face so of course there going to react. I don’t blame them I blame the club they let us down when it mattered the most.

  • 230 Ketsbaia9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    What about Ketsbaia? Think Sven has the experience to get the job. Mathias Sammer would be a good coup as would be Dunga.

  • 231 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    @Brian kilcline

    I wasn’t wrong about Gullit. My point has been we are renowned for hounding out managers. Stuart implied we weren’t.

    The example I gave regarding Jack Charlton leaving cos of the crowd was the same. He resigned and stated it was because of the criticism from the fans. Gullit walked cos he new the crowd had turned on him.

    Not wrong at all 😉

  • 232 Shane // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    I will leave you all with this to ponder…

    We should sign Robbie Fowler in the summer as Player/Manager and appoint Laurent Robert as Assistant Manager.

    x

  • 233 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    Everytime someone mentions laurent robert I just picture someone getting knocked out by a football haha 😀

  • 234 Ketsbaia9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Could go for Franck Dumas as manager with Robert as his assistant. Robert would even be good enough to make a few first team appearances. He’s the best ever player to play for Newcastle, based on his skill and technique.

  • 235 Ketsbaia9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Laurent Robert would be good in a fair. Would win you loads of prizes.

  • 236 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    @Stuart

    When have I said that bringing along your “sack Pardew ” banners for the next game would result in his sacking on Monday morning.

    My simple point is, prolonged and vocal disgruntled Demo’s and chants against a manager always brings the inevitable.

    Stop trying to squirm away from your first statement that Toon fans are more contented to turn up on a Saturday for a few pints with their mates than protest about the plight of the team and management.

    That couldn’t be further from the truth.

  • 237 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Kevy,
    I was born and lived in Newcastle for most of my life, had a season ticket for 26 years, unfortunately work took me away a few years ago, but still get back when I can. I have been to 6 games this season, would love it to be more, but each one costs me in the region of £1200 in travel, accommodation, booze etc.

    I have lots of old friends and colleagues who are mackems, and spent a fair part of my Sunday evening responding (drunkenly) to their taunts and jibes. I agree, the players Pardew and staff have to take the blame. Trust me I didn’t enjoy it one bit. I am off to play 5 a side this evening, will have my Newcastle top on and am already preparing myself for the stick that will come my way.

    It hurt every fan, no fan has the right to say someone else isn’t atrue fan, that is ridiculous, each supports in their own way, just like we have different opinions. I wouldn’t say the people who rioted aren’t proper fans, but they are idiots.

  • 238 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    @Beattie

    You seem to be defending Gullit to a degree. Did you follow his managerial career post Toon?

    Clearly not me thinks. 😉

  • 239 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    Woah woah woah, Kets. Laurent Robert the best to ever play for Newcastle. I thought your Sven comment was outrageous, but that is taking the biscuit! On Ketsbaia back as manager, would be a very interesting one. I haven’t heard much recently, but he started off reasonably didn’t he, and he will know what this club is about.

    Ketsbaia, with Dabizas, or maybe even Solano, had relative success over in Peru. The problem with almost all the suggestions is their is no guarantee, and each is potentially just as big a gamble as the next.

    Shane, Robbie Fowler????

    Is Robert coaching somewhere at the moment? I heard Ginola wants to move into coaching. An old boys reunion? :-)

  • 240 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:48 PM

    @Lilon Agreed 😉

  • 241 Fridge // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    WWYCD

    Yes and i am a genius. Thats the answer to your second question? Hehe. Regarding Solskjær he is very well liked and respected in norway. And many People feel he has what it takes. Although it is a BIG step to go from Molde to England, but he knows more about that than me i would think.

  • 242 WWYCD // Apr 16, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Fridge
    How do u do that!? Haha
    I have always quite liked Little Ole in his playing days but didnt bother following him through his management career though he is always touted as the next big manager to come to the PL (which could just be based on him being a former PL great tbf)

    Time will tell, there was rumours not too long ago that Pards was destined for a move upstairs and a new manager brought in this summer so who knows

  • 243 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    yeah that robert comment is insane, he had an average toon career for me, no matter who you are 40 yard shots hardly ever go in, plus he couldnt cross a ball or dribble. if he was your best player what about ginola who could score, dribble and cross.

  • 244 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    @Brian those 2 goals against spurs where worth every second he was on the pitch making blunders.

  • 245 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Also Guys – Has anyone noticed that Tiote is a non-existent player nowadays plus and more worryingly in fact… Sissoko looks like he has no idea what he is doing in the last 4 games… his touch and control is awful… I think, personally, that they look to Pardew for Calm but the issue is he aint giving any back… they seem to look at him everytime they do anything… he seems to have created an odd atmosphere… I mean Haidara? Why wasnt he playing? Didnt think he could handle the intensity says Pardew… Way to go AP… not that the lad needed that kick in the teeth… I love Jonas like the next man but not as a player… 241 games and 11 assists… I mean honestly… sorry theres so much wrong here – its hard to concentrate…

  • 246 John Tudor // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    at least he shot

  • 247 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    Brian,
    Agreed, I loved Laurent Robert, don’t get me wrong. You always felt that something magic might happen when he was lining up a free kick. But I’m not sure he was the best player in that 11, let alone all time. Ginola was a special player magical with the ball at his feet.

    Pair of them were lazy bast@rds though! :-)

  • 248 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    Talking about great goals this is probably one of my best .What was it like 84 mph

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbvImSXWcQU

  • 249 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:16 PM

    its the good old roberto carlos is class at free kicks mentality because he scored a good one, once.

  • 250 Black and White with an army lol // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    in my opinion Mike has got to think well should i pay the 1 year contract compensation maybe about 500k to 1 mill OR lose 70 million in tv rights because he’s going to get us relegated.

    it’s just that simple.

  • 251 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    @brian kilclines pony tail
    Ginola`s goal v Ferencváros was one of the best i witnessed

  • 252 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    @Black and White with an army lol

    everything comes down to money, the only way fans can influence ashley is to not renew season tickets and not to buy tickets or merchandise as this will hurt him financially.

    but we dont want that as its to the detriment of our club, so we’re between a rock and a hard place. and the only thing left we can do is voice our feeling at matches, which is bad for the lads but being between a rock and hard place isn’t supposed to be easy

  • 253 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    I’ve got a great idea!! Lets sack Pardew and choose between Kinnear or Shearer! Or put Carver in as caretaker like they did with Hooters as a last desperation resort cos nee one wanted to manage us!

  • 254 Black and White with an army lol // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    i fully understand mate, but somewhere in Mike’s mind he must be thinking what iv’e just said i’m sure all Managers do to some extent.

  • 255 catchy in norway // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    http://www.nufcblog.com/2010/12/09/pardew-promises-newcastle-will-play-attacking-positive-football/

  • 256 bettyswallocks // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Rotonda heights

    Your observations are spot on, and at the end of this season the club needs to decide which direction we are going in.

    As has already been pointed out whats the point finishing high up the league and qualifying for Europe if the players are too tired and the manager can t manage the extra games.

    As I said to Beattie yesterday surely there must be a way of communicating to the hierarchy that with the current tactics, team set up and lack of modern coaching the team will not achieve anything.

    I am like you, Beattie, Catchy and many others a purist who believes in the beautiful game.
    However I think we are all prepared to accept a compromise between Barcelona and the old fashioned one dimesional Pardew style.

    We have many skilful technical players now but we are not being allowed to see them show their quality.

    The fans who want to just see the team achieve good results regardless of the playing style are not being accommodated either and for 2 years we have been subjected to very negative predictable Pardewshite.

    We have listened to his excuses and tried to make allowances and Mike Ashley has strengthened his squad but deep down we all know that Mr. Pardew is too set in his ways and far too arrogant to accept help with the coaching.
    We are the fans and our voices should be heard.

  • 257 thepict // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    All the opprobrium being heaped on our manager is disgusting. Maybe the performance of some of the players on Sunday should be looked ?
    Cabaye not his finest hour. The same goes for Taylor, Tiote, and Gouffron . However, this would not suit the PIC brigade.
    To sack the manager with five games to go would be absolute lunacy.
    Maybe it’s time to get behind the manager and the team and support them

  • 258 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    @catchy in norway
    Well we all know he talks bollocks did then and even more so now.
    Its easy to be a good manager when you have got all yer player`s fit and had a fair share of luck.Shame he hasn`t shown as being any good when he`s needed to be under pressure

  • 259 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    @thepict – from what i have been reading on here no one wants shot of him now, at the end of the season. so we can take stock and have a good pre-season with a new gaffer.

    until then we just have to cross our fingers and hope for the best.

  • 260 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:50 PM

    Footie players are very adempt at picking up on negative vibes… I think Pardew really does need a break… If I was Ashley… I would straight out ask him… as his face looks like its about to fall off… I think the Club is too big for him to manage… last years 5th was to be honest the worst thing that could have happened for Pardew…

  • 261 Williamsonsuks // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Roll on may 19th 18.00pm hopefully still in the EPL when we can put this season behind us, complete and utter disaster!!

    I’ve always thought the players were behind Pardew with their interview statements about their relationship with the manager, suppose they couldn’t come out and say we hate him and his tactics suck.
    Just suppose they want rid, all they had to was not turn up at the Derby and expose his flawed knowledge. That performance could’ve been planned by the players to throw Pardew under the bus.
    Probably just a dillusion but no one can honestly say 100% it’s not plausible.
    I did sympathise with Pardew with all the bad luck that has stacked up against him, now my patience is at an end. Time for something new. We wont get a jose mourinho type, hopefully an attacking minded up and coming one like a laudrup.

  • 262 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:54 PM

    Why is everyone saying wait to the end off the season then sack him? A win away to west brom then sack him. 39 points with 3 games left I would like are chances.

  • 263 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Williamsonsuks – the only time i have ever witnessed newcastle players playing like this was under gullit because they wanted shot of him.

  • 264 Ketsbaia9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Hope Cabaye leaves. Think Marveuax is a much better player.

  • 265 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    I take that back …Ohhhh crap looking at that league table we are in big BIG trouble I mean BIG trouble considering wigan has 2 games in hand and next from that its villa who are 2 points behind us and are fixtures arn’t exactly easy to complete opposite arsenal going for 4th an all.

  • 266 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    This weekend is where wigan play city qpr play stoke villa play united and norwich vs wigan …This sat is a must win for us against brom or we are in deep deep trouble. I thought we were safer than that.

  • 267 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    *Reading

  • 268 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    @kevymartins
    We will be ok can`t see Stoke picking up many pts they are in total freefall

  • 269 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    kets they play in different positions, although its nice to see the LSD you necked about 2 hours ago is still coursing through your body. you be trippin.

  • 270 catchy in norway // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    bettyswallocks

    well said mate,,

    newcastle is my team, as it it many others,

    i know we dont have the players to play the barca way, and im not asking for that,
    what i would like is to watch us play a style that can be our own style, but under pardew all we have watched is how to stop the other team scoring against us,

    we have up graded the team since he came, and yet we can not pass a ball,
    players look tired
    players look like strangers on the pitch

    to me it seem like any player that shows some sort of skill is left on the bench,
    marv, gets a few games looks good , then dropped
    anita, omg he looked quality in nov dec, dropped
    fergy, the only good crosser of the ball we have, gets a few chances, dropped

    jonas, obertan , perch, simpson, all got good chances to shine :(

    sad times ahead if he stays

    just to make it clear,

    i want pardew gone for footballing reasons, nothing more,
    i am first and formost, a football fan,

  • 271 Williamsonsuks // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    @brian… Yeah the players divided to get shot of Gullit and Shearer headed the revolt. At that time I thought Shearer should’ve been booted, glad that didn’t happen though :D. The players are smart enough to know exactly what to do to get the fans screaming for the managers head and now there’s a clear divide widening!

  • 272 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Any of the older fans on here – ever seen a worse Toon performance than Sunday?

  • 273 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    Interesting reading through various media outlets. Lots of talk of relegation and who is a contender and next to no mention about Newcastle.

    I really hope they’re right

  • 274 noladonna // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    look at pardumb’s face on that photo makes me wanna hurl haha just looking at his face gets me mad hes so out of date its untrue hope ashley makes him walk the plank at the end of the season i think we will beat west brom and liverfool and stay up HWTL

  • 275 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    @Daztoon stoke we can’t rely on stoke getting beat knowing are luck they will prob get flukey …It’s the way were playing im worried about

    Brom (A)
    Liverpool (H)
    West ham (A)
    Qpr (A)
    Arsenal (H)

    we need to go all out for brom and west ham forget about the rest can’t see us getting abything..If we don’t get anything from brom or west ham we are screwed ..Will big sam carroll and nolan come back to hunt us? Possibility

  • 276 Williamsonsuks // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    @Ibiza… Hopefully all the teams below us are just as crap and get naff!

  • 277 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    @Ibizatoon
    Most pundits think we are to good to go down.On paper we are to good but heard all that before.

  • 278 Troy Stavers // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    The same hissy fitters will be clapping like seals if Pardew wins a couple of games. Incredible how fickle fans are.

  • 279 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    ichrisho
    Yup, Aston villa away, we dropped out the top flight in to the fizzy pop with a complete whimper

  • 280 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    Kevy

    Loss
    Draw
    Loss
    Loss
    Draw

    I am only being realistic with injures and current morale… Is 2 points enough? :(

  • 281 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    Williamsonsuks…It’s an extremely defeatist view, but one I will take at this stage.

    We can secure our own fate still and despite the negative feeling, we are more than capable of getting the points we need, but we have seen this before and I’ll take what I can. I’m sure we could all do with it not being decided on the last day against Arsenal.

  • 282 Williamsonsuks // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Carroll might send us down!!

  • 283 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    I say it will be

    win
    loss
    win
    draw
    loss

    And we will be well safe.

  • 284 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    @kevymartins
    I think Qpr will already be gone by the time we play them so we may pick up points there

  • 285 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    @troy – of course we will, we dont want the club to go down. im sorry but if you think we want the club relegated you are the most wrong that anyone has ever been in the history of everything ever.

  • 286 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Daz…I am extremely well aware of that and agree. They are giving us a bit too much respect in my opinion. Two weeks ago we were in that group as far as they were concerned, but now not?

  • 287 Novocastrian66 // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    That’s the worst performance I have seen in a Derby. We got beat 4-1 at home in 1979. I wasn’t at that match. Been to pretty much every Derby at home since and I have never seen us outplayed by Sunderland. I have seen us lose but never in that manner.

  • 288 toon kk // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    Its so plain to see we have no technical ability, terrible passing, lack of desire and if and when we get a chance to score usualy very poor end product, we desperately need a top striker with pace. We have to be realistic half the team arnt good enough. I know alot of it comes down to Pards poor old school tactics. As for a new manager coming in it ain’t gonna happen we all know alot of managers would have been sacked with our poor premormancas before now. Just proves Pards fits in with Cashleys running of the club. I am like a lot of others I wonder what’s going on in training and what makes us run around like headless chickens when we’re under pressure. Shame we can’t be more positive about our club but its so hard when we have to keep putting up with all the turmoil.

  • 289 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    @Ibizatoon
    For sure mate and going by sunday we looked like a team believing the hype we are safe already and preparing for their holidays

  • 290 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Not sure how to call “how many points will be needed” – Between 8th placed West Brom (44) and 18th placed Wigan (31 – with 2 games in hand) – 13 points, with 15 still available this season.

    and only 9 points between 10th and 18th.

    Take a guess really.

  • 291 catchy in norway // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    loving reading how i was so wrong about obertan

    http://www.nufcblog.com/2011/09/24/newcastle-3-blackburn-1-great-demba-ba-hat-trick/

    boy i got some stick,, but i think have been proved right

    i think i will be proved right about pardew too,, the guy is just not a football manager

  • 292 magpiemover // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    for me 1 away win all season is unaceptable pardew must go he even makeing good player look ,
    look what the man done to carlos teves at west ham
    he played marlon harewood ahead world class players that is the sort of idiot in charge of our great club , he persists in playing negative football at home
    when we should ob pressing teams , now come on would u see arsenal defending in numbers at home , he does not have a plan b , clueless he must go now b4 its 2 late , i would bring in laurent blanc straight away

  • 293 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Daz…You’ll probably know I’m very much so a silver linings type of guy and the only positive I can take from Sunday is that it gives EVERYONE a good serious kick up the backside for these remaining games. It shouldn’t be needed, but we cannot perform like that for the next 5 games.

  • 294 magpiemover // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    for me 1 away win all season is unaceptable pardew must go he even makeing good player look bad
    look what the man done to carlos teves at west ham
    he played marlon harewood ahead world class players that is the sort of idiot in charge of our great club , he persists in playing negative football at home
    when we should ob pressing teams , now come on would u see arsenal defending in numbers at home , he does not have a plan b , clueless he must go now b4 its 2 late , i would bring in laurent blanc straight away

  • 295 Williamsonsuks // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    I’d be ecstatic with 3 points from all of them fixtures, but do think Pards has hit a brick wall and Is’nt capable of bringing the football we deserve. I have to admit the views on here have swung my vote to Pardew out. I’m not a hater, it’s just he has proven time and time again he cant cope under pressure, when questions are asked on the park he has no answers. He makes the wrong substitutions at the wrong times, plays players in the wrong position and seems to make players under perform rather than over achieve. If he goes at the end of the season i’d still wish him a good luck and hope he does well where ever he’d end up.

  • 296 p // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Said it a fair number of times, Pardew is not particularly bad. He is mediocre.

    Sometime he gets it very right, sometimes he is very lucky and a lot of times he gets it wrong, sometimes very wrong.

    Anything can happen in any given game like Saturday. I am personally more concerned with the fact that we have had no genuinely commanding performances this season.

    A lot of our wins have been dramatic one goal affairs with a bit of brilliance e.g. Marveux picking out an excellent pass for Cisse to finish in an unbelievable cool, composed manner in the 93rd minute.

    For f$%&s sake we have lost to teams like Reading at home!

    Blame lack of Summer recruitment if you like, along with injuries but, do you think we would be in this position with this squad with Jose Mourinho, Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger? Not a chance.

    Unfortunately, we can’t attract managers like that. Only second tier or up and coming managers. Both are gambles. We do this our homework and takes gambles with players we probably need to do the same with a manager or, get some compromising photos of Jose and blackmail him to manage the toon.

    That is still where we are as a club.

  • 297 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    @286 – Thanks for the honesty…. 3-0 at home to Sunderland is haunting me most nights… if its not the Mackem 2 floors down in work who keeps “popping” up to say Hi… Weird I never spoke to him before… One of these minutes.. . Give him an Irish Kiss not a Glasgow one… (Irish one contains a swift elbow upward to nose region) :)

  • 298 Novocastrian66 // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    I reckon 39 points will be enough. Don’t where we will get them though. 38 with our goal difference will see us go down.

  • 299 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    ibiza – i have seen nothing from this team to suggest that things will improve in the last 5 games.

    to show you i will look out our recent league victories.

    fulham – relied on a injury time goal.
    stoke – relied on an injury time goal.
    southampton – 2 of our goals were really lucky.
    chelsea – complete freak result due to new signings.
    villa – although there was no last min goals we still struggled to keep villa from scoring a 2nd.

    for me 3 of these wins could have quite easily been draws! imagine how the table could of looked now if we hadn’t got the rub of the green?

  • 300 Jackel001 // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Novocastrain

    Look at the remaining games, we will get the 4. Tbh i think we’ll get a draw on Saturday and a win against the scousers. If that happens then I would say we’re safe! But still having to play QPR and West Ham which are defo winnable games!

  • 301 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    Here`s hoping Pardew has to play his hand and stop bluffing his way through.Only West Brom and maybe Qpr by the time we play don`t really have anything to play for as such

  • 302 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    P

    I don’t know why it became so bad for anyone to work for Ashley. I know it was probably the KK and Wise debacle but that was 5 years ago now. Hopefully Ashley is learning from his mistakes all the time.

  • 303 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    1 win in 6 matches then it is NovaCastrain66… Score attached… wish it wasnt…

    April 2013
    West Brom v Newcastle Sat 20 Apr 15:00 (0-2)
    Newcastle v Liverpool Sat 27 Apr 17:30 (1-1)
    May 2013
    West Ham v Newcastle Sat 4 May 15:00 (1-3)
    QPR v Newcastle Sun 12 May 15:00 (1-1)…. Just
    Newcastle v Arsenal Sun 19 May 16:00 (1-1)

    Thats the 3 points we need then… 3 draws… Just…. ouch… thats depressing…

  • 304 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:35 PM

    This is also a tad crappy… BA still joint top-scorer… hes been gone for near 4 months”!!!!

    Top Goal Scorers
    Ba 13
    Cisse 13
    Cabaye 6

  • 305 p // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    Well I think you can flip a coin.

    I think we will probably lose to Liverpool and Arsenal – but honestly who knows!

    The other 3 games are definitely winnable but I am sure they will be close and down to individual brilliance if we do win.

    Our best hope is 3 points at West Brom IMO. Get that and a bit of pressure is off.

  • 306 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    Brian…I’m not expecting a miraculous turn around in performances, but at least to get back to some hard fought games. My point is we can pick up points, obviously not so sure we will or in what style.

  • 307 catchy in norway // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:39 PM

    if pardew is as good at cards or what ever his habbit of choice was at the cassino, i can see why he was shit at it,, the guy is just not a winner at all

    shit footballer
    shit manager

  • 308 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Mystic Charlie’s Doom and Gloom calculator (worst scenario) Newcastle will go down on 36pts will go to the last day of the season
    1pt behind Wigan
    2pts behind Stoke and Aston Villa

    Wigan
    win v Swansea at home
    and Aston Villa on the last day = 37pts

    Aston Villa
    win v Sunderland
    draw v Norwich A =38pts

    Norwich
    win v Reading H
    draw v Aston Villa =38pts

    Stoke
    draw v QPR A
    win v Norwich H =38pts

    Sunderland
    draw v Everton
    win v Stoke
    Draw v Southampton = 39pts

    Newcastle
    loose all 36pts

    Yes – there will be a shock reult or 2 in the run in
    But – Goes to show if we had got a point at Wigan we could of been safe on my Doom and Gloom calculator

    A win in the last 5 ( cannot see it hope I’m wrong) will make us safe
    A draw would make it interesting
    I think 38/39 pts will make 1 club safe out of the above 6 clubs.

    ALSO I see Webb has been demoted to the championship along with linesman for next game for their many howlers.

    Is that the second or third time this season the ref has been demoted after refing a toon game

  • 309 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:40 PM

    Troy

    fickle is when it’s one or 2 games but be honest we have been s…e all season. We have not dominated one game.
    Winning a couple of the last 5 will only mask over the problems. It goes much deeper than that.

    If you ever want to see consistently good and attacking football again, we have to change because Pardew like Allardyce when given the opportunity to work with more technical players clearly can’t.

  • 310 Mister Tuff // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    An interesting point -a couple of threads back I think it was Charlie who asked whether any of the blog members get together before a match. I’ve thought about this before and would think if it ever did happen a likely scenario would be:-
    All attendees would turn up, presumably at a pub in Newcastle -the organisers would hand out user name badges. Initially there would be exchanges like “very pleased to meet you”, “how long have you supported Newcastle” and other such pleasantries. Facilities would be provided for Percy fans to “feed and water” their guide dogs. Then after an hour or so, after a few pints, I could imagine the tone changing along the lines of “who the F*** do you think you are calling me a co*k”……. splat. Or “you’re the arrogant t**t that took the plss out of me on the blog”……….splat.
    Eventually a mass brawl would ensue resulting in all the attendees being locked up and banned by the club for life.

  • 311 catchy in norway // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    Brian…I’m not expecting a miraculous turn around in performances, but at least to get back to some hard fought games. My point is we can pick up points, obviously not so sure we will or in what style.

    who ever wrote this

    have you not worekd it out,, this is waht we do, we scrape by, we dont command games, we dont look to crush anyone,
    i dread going in front , as he starts thinkg iv got my goal,, now defend
    i hate going behind, cos we never come back from it
    i hate playing away
    i worry when we are at home

  • 312 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    @Mister Tuff
    Sounds like the last meeting on Sunday

  • 313 p // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    Rotonda, I think Ashley has learned and I do think that the club’s profile was improving. Though the arrests on Sunday would not have helped.

    It’s easy for us to say Pardew out but, Ashley and co need to be a little more level headed.

    I don’t believe this “thick as thieves” bollox. If Ashley thinks he can make Newcastle more successful and profitable (I think Ash genuinely wants both – why would he not?) then, there will be no sentiment for Pardew.

    In retrospect, hopefully we will be saying that he was right not to be rash; a) because we stay up and b) because we show we give managers a fair chance and do not sack them prematurely.

    This Summer or next is the time to say goodbye to Pards unless a) you can attract a top tier manager or b) thinks go downhill from here or of course c) we see some progress and 12/13 can be chalked down to a bad season brought on by Europe, injuries etc.

    I agree, Ash is learning and the club is slowly getting a reputation around being well run, especially with the investment/backing in January. This combined with the support and stature at some point should be a place top managers do want to come to.

  • 314 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:47 PM

    Catchy…If you would like to start up our chats again all you have to do is ask.

    So, would you?

  • 315 toon kk // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:48 PM

    For some reason this season started and we looked flat and it has just continued all season. We just have to be thankful Demba Ba stopped fit wile he was here and got us goals or we definitely been relegated. I don’t think we’ll go down but hope it doesn’t come down to the last day of the season needing a win.

  • 316 bettyswallocks // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:50 PM

    Last season we managed to get some good results by relying on moments of brilliance from Ba, Cisse and Benny.
    We never had a settled formation and the concentration levels were very high to prevent the opposition playing.
    This season we have also got no consistent playing style .When the opposing team press us the ball goes backwards or to Krull and then hoofed hopefully forward.

    All the balls played from the wings result in nothing as the crosses are poor and Cisse is not a target man.
    We have not scored from any corners for the same reason.
    It has been this way for a long time despite the new recruits and Pardew and the coaches have not tried to change it.
    Is it due to not being aware of the actual problems, too stubborn and fixed in their mindset or no plan B in the locker.
    It has to be changed somehow!!

  • 317 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Mister tuff

    That’s what happened after the match on Sunday.

    Those weren’t thugs smashing Newcastle yo they were bloggers.

    Ketsbia punched a horse.

  • 318 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    Daztoon beat me to it. Touché

  • 319 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    Prodigy

    Not sure if you’re here but pot calling kettle mate.

    Don’t forget you insulted my opinion first sonny jim.

  • 320 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    Mister Tuff
    Lets do it !!!!
    Might let some of us let off sum of the steam that is building up before the the boiler blows.

  • 321 Jackel001 // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    Do people actually think we will lose 5 games in a row?

  • 322 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    I think it goes like this:

    Ashley doesn’t spend – outrage
    Ashley sells players – outrage
    Ashley advertises Sports Direct – outrage
    Ashley takes on poor sponsorship – outrage
    Ashley changes stadium name – outrage
    Ashley doesn’t say anything to the fans – outrage
    Ashley sacks Pardew – indifference

  • 323 ErnestHemingway // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    I can think of many, many worse performances than the game at the weekend. We had more possession, more shots, their keeper made some great saves, we were unlucky. Sunderland deserved their win as they wanted it more, outfought us and were first to every 50/50, but even when we were so below par, we still created enough chances to win 2 games, let alone one.

    Off the top of my head Middlesbrough away, last game of the 1989/90 season. We were battered 4-1. Dreadful. Away to Wolves the following year. Battered 6-2. Embarrassing. Being beaten 4-0 away to Wimbledon the year we went down in the 80s. Hopeless. Leeds away under Dalglish, got beat 4-1. Smashed. At home vs. Leicester in about 2000, defeated 2-0. Hardly had a shot all game. Beaten 1-0 at home vs Man City in the same season I think. I nearly fell asleep. Being beaten 2-1 away to Derby a few years ago. Being beaten 3-0 away to Derby in the promotion season under Hughton. Being beaten 4-1 away to Derby the year we nearly went down to the old Division 3.

    I can think of many, many more examples of when we were more of a disgrace than the game just gone. We have been much, much, much worse than we are now. In the last two games we have had 47 shots and only scored one goal. There isn’t a lot wrong with our team. The margins are very fine and someone is due a hiding.

    Keep the faith.

  • 324 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    @Daztoon – Oh… was that not what it was…. ??? :)

  • 325 Jackel001 // Apr 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM

    Beattie

    Is that sarcasm or was that actually him? haha

  • 326 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    If we go down
    Look on the bright side

    Ashley – will get a extra 12 million in the parachute payment – gone up from 48 million to 60 million

    Season Ticket Holders – those who bought 10 year season tickets will get a extra 4 games for their money

  • 327 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    @ichrisho
    Yeah was Ibizatoon sitting on the fence again when it was his round wouldn`t get down to go to the bar lol

  • 328 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    daz…All you have to do is pop up, I have a full bar always open up here :)

  • 329 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    @Ibizatoon
    sounds good mate

  • 330 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    Ibiza caused the RIOTS!!!! Its Official… Shame on him :)

  • 331 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    ichrisho…More shame? When will it end?

    daz…Saying that, I don’t recall any drinks being passed up to me either…

  • 332 Cisse's Big Toe- Not Quite As Anti Pardew As Beattie Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    5pt deduction for riots. FA really hate us. this could send us down. sad sad day for our club

  • 333 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    @Ibizatoon
    sorry mate you were that high up and we couldn`t agree who would climb the ladder some were for and some anti ladder

  • 334 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:09 PM

    Cisse’s big toe…Seriously? This season or next?

  • 335 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    Ibiza.. you know nothing of it yet.. you shamless shamster… .:) 5 point deduction!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!

  • 336 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:10 PM

    @Ibiza Getting a step ladder is to easy to hand you your drinks on your high fence. Members from the nufc blog will have to make a human pyramid to serve you your drinks 😉

  • 337 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    daz…If only Ed had been there to put a poll together!

    Okay, panicking now, Cisses Big Toe, give us some more info, can’t see anything anywhere yet?!?

  • 338 Cisse's Big Toe- Not Quite As Anti Pardew As Beattie Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    i heard it was this season but that seems so unfair

  • 339 Ian Toon // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    Is it arbitrary to seek to polarize opinion in being either for or against thinking Pardew is toast. Shouldn’t this wait until the end of the season for a post mortem. Just as bad as the thinking of one poster that if you score a late winning goal it really doesn’t count as winning the game. There has been much demonising of Pardew some of it arguably justified although ‘clueless’ is unfair. For me, he is not the most astute inspirational of coaches and unarguably prone too being overly cautious but this season should not be his death knell.

    I won’t go over old ground of being let down last summer in the transfer market, excessive injuries to key players allied to more games and under performing young players, because it bores me rigid.
    What I do want to factor into the debate or for some the inquest is the fact that the Premier League have dropped Howard Webb from this weekend PL games. An admission that he screwed up and cost us points. Likewise the ref in the Wigan game who suffered the same fate. By my reckoning, a strong case could be made, for in total depriving us of 4 points which would have already seen our tenure secured .. As it stands I see us being safe after the Liverpool home game.
    Just as fans argue last season was a blip couldn’t it be a blip this season? Come the start of next season when Pardew has ” his team” then we can judge him. I do share Transfer Sage( some months ago) and Tads thinking on bringing in new coaches to assist the Pardew team. At all levels from academy upwards we need to freshen things up. That being after we have secured our current standing. In the meantime let’s put the derby debacle behind us and get vocally behind the team starting at the Hawthorns. At the close of the window I plugged into the BBC predictor and came up with 43 points which I stand by.

  • 340 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    @Kevy
    I have quite a high horse if needs be… recently punched but still going strong… :)

  • 341 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    catchy

    it’s funny pardew is such a cautious manager you would never imagine him being a gambler and obviously not very good at that either.

  • 342 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    This is a good read from a neutrals pov:

    http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/5066?cc=5739

  • 343 Cisse's Big Toe- Not Quite As Anti Pardew As Beattie Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    our only hope is that the genuine fear of relegation sparks our team into life. dogfight now

  • 344 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    @338 – you must have heard it in your head as its not true…

  • 345 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:12 PM

    Kevy…I’m more shocked drinks or in particular empty glasses weren’t just hurled at me :)

  • 346 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:13 PM

    @Ibizatoon
    good one

  • 347 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    Some one mentioned earlier we have not dominated teams this season – true – but – not all the game.
    The parts of the game we dominate we have not scored or only scored 1 goal which always gives the opposition a chance of a equaliser or go on and win – This season go on and win

    Off the top of my head this season Fulham, Stoke, Swansea away
    West Ham, Reading

  • 348 Super Magpie // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    This is my first post since Sunday and I’ve settled on what was a simply shocking defeat. I’ve never seen such little effort from our players in a derby and we fully deserved to be beaten, regardless of the officials decisions.

    Usually, Pardew is a good motivator. But none of that was evident on Sunday. Tiredness is not an excuse. Taylor,Debuchy,Gouffran,Tiote and Marveaux all didn’t start on Thursday and were awful (Debuchy was our only ‘decent’ player). The others who did were all equally as bad too.

    His tactics were once again appauling and it was pretty obvious that Sunderland came here to counter, which he didn’t react to by tightening up. Yes, I know that we were 1-0 down due to Jonas’ mistake but he really shouldn’t have been playing LB in the first place.

    To cap it off, some mindless idiots decided to it would be suitable to smash the city up. If you have that reaction to a loss then you really shouldn’t watch Football. Those people are not fans at all, simply hooligans.

    Now we know what the 5-1 must’ve felt like. Have to say, some of our fans overconfidence has came back to haunt them, and deservedly so. They weren’t going to come here and roll over with Di Canio, he knew what this game meant.

    Finally, Pardew should definitely not be sacked now but depending on where we are at the end of the season he could go. It’s unacceptable that we are still in a relegation battle and the fact we have lost 7 home games and only win once away is appauling.

    I’m going to West Brom on Saturday and I expect a reaction from the players, otherwise we will slip further into the mire. :(

  • 349 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    I love cisse’s big toe’s name. Yeah!!

  • 350 Tinman // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    So bored of this Pardew out crack. I would sack him the second we finish our last game. Even if we win all of our final games (which we have no chance of doing).
    Blog banter is at an all time low, may as well drop the subject in the summer anyway. I’m pretty sure its now close to 50% to sack him but 99% to keep him till the end of season.

    Then Ashley should bring in:

    Keegan Manager,
    Shearer Assisstant,
    Ginola Director of Football,
    Robert attacking coach,
    Bernard defence coach,
    Harper GK coach,
    May aswell squeeze Gazza in there as well. (He can bring chicken and chips)

    Sign at least 10 pure class players.
    Then we tell Fergie we are coming after him.
    Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy.

    All at a knock down cost of what….a few million??
    Pffft. This is school boy stuff.

  • 351 ichrisho // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    Beattie – Is that why Cisse is offside all the time? Big Toe… now I get it… :)

  • 352 Super Magpie // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Oh, and before someone slates me for suggesting we should’ve tightened up. Sunderland were given far too much room and Tiote was really annoying me by diving in and letting Sessegnon beat him easily. This left us really exposed and it usually happened from our own corners which were once again disgraceful (unsurprisingly).

  • 353 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Big Toe…Was that basically just rubbish then or where did you hear it?

  • 354 Jackel001 // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    Cisse

    I mentioned this on the day and someone said that the FA wouldn’t deduct points because what happened was out of NUFC’s hands. Its surely down to the club on what they do with the individuals. Millwall fans kicked off inside WEMBLEY and they are just making arrests.

    Can’t see this happening.

  • 355 Cisse's Big Toe- Not Quite As Anti Pardew As Beattie Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM

    ok so none of you were as stupid as me to buy the 5pt deduction. i just thought i would share a terrible joke played on me by a ‘friend’ earlier

  • 356 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    good old Ian

    last man standing pretty much. Even pardew diehards are starting to see the cracks and his flaws now. You can’t keep defending the indefensible man.

    I don’t think we’ll go down but it’s deplorable we are anywhere near this position with the squad we have.
    where 6M Anita can’t get a game!

    Funny how many English / British managers are with the bottom 5/6clubs and Hughes and McDermott were as well before being sacked.

  • 357 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    @Cisse’s Big Toe
    You nearly caused another riot

  • 358 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    How do you do smileys?

  • 359 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:22 PM

    @Beattie that would be : D without the space and ; ) for the wink 😉

  • 360 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Cisse…Not going to lie, you gave me a right old panic.

    Beattie…By taking a more positive outlook on life 😉

  • 361 Jackel001 // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM

    Cisse

    Tbh you did have me a little worried, started to sweat the lot! haha.

    Rotonda heights

    One of my mate’s knows John Carver and he said that Anita is a much better player at RB then in the middle of the pitch, which I think we all can see.

  • 362 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    I wonder does anyother ones work on here O_o 😛 :putnam O.o

  • 363 Cisse's Big Toe- Not Quite As Anti Pardew As Beattie Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    i was pretty much at breaking point when i was told they were deducted points. needless to say was pretty angry after, he strung it out for over an hour! i couldnt see it past five mins such was the guilt!

  • 364 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    ( , :) , 😛 , :'( , :3 , :O , :* , :( , :/ , 3:)

    O:) , ^_^ , 😎 , >:o , 😉 , 8-| , O.o , -_- , :v ,

  • 365 John Tudor // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    we get 5pts off sland 6 for trying to burn down ground

  • 366 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM

    Evening ladies and gentlemen.

    How are we all? Done a lot of thinking over the past few days and I think Pardew’s days are numbered, and if Ashley doesn’t have it in his mind to replace him, then he should do.

    This isn’t because I think Pardew hasn’t done a good job, or has failed in his project, purely because he has now lost the majority of the fans, even those who once steadfastly defended him (like myself) are beginning to ponder life beyond him, in fact I am welcoming the prospect of a more astute attacking manager and think we should probably be looking to implement a manager of this ilk sooner rather than later.

    I’m feeling very low as a NUFC supporter, as low as I’ve felt since NUFC supporter, I’m from Northern Ireland but contrary to what some people have alluded to earlier I bleed for this club as much as Geordies, and it hurt me to have it suggested that myself, and other non-Geordies do not feel for this club in the same way, because we do.

    I think Pardew has done a decent job for what it’s worth, whether true luck or hard work he done what no NUFC manager had done for the best part of decade in bringing us to the EL and we performed quite well in it. He brought our highest PL finish since 2004 but that alone is not enough to ensure you have a job, and I will readily admit that even though we’ve been massacred with injuries, and had key men off form, there were games where Pardew did not set the team out with enough positivity to win, Reading, West Ham, Swansea at home to name a few. We scraped wins at home to Fulham and Stoke when we should have destroyed both teams.

    I’m going to call a spade a spade, it’s just not been good enough. I am not calling for his head right now, and even if he started next season in charge I think I’d accept it, but as far as I am concerned, his days are numbered.

  • 367 Cisse's Big Toe- Not Quite As Anti Pardew As Beattie Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    i was always under impression anita was a lb if not a cdm. could try him there to be more solid than santon

  • 368 Tinman - Catchy for Manager // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:29 PM

    Anyone else think we should sign Usain Bolt? He is bored of sprinting and will be available on a free contract.

    Agent fees shouldnt be too much because athletes get paid next to nothing anyway, he makes all his money in sponsors.

    Dont think he would command high wages as he isn’t yet proven in the Premier League.

    Think he would be an upgrade on Obertan.

    Imagine the publicity for the club? It would put us on the map.

    Also he is sponsored by Puma so I’m sure that could be used to our advantage in any deal.

    Could get Bolt number 9.58 on the back of our shirts.

    Thoughts?

  • 369 Cisse's Big Toe- Not Quite As Anti Pardew As Beattie Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM

    oh and for anyone who plays FIFA i did a player career with adam campbell, he is now a complete forward, speedster dribbler clinical finisher poacher

  • 370 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    Big Toe @ 368….Just not sure I can believe anything you say now :)

  • 371 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:32 PM

    @Cisse’s Big toe Santon on form is pritty Rock solid in there.

  • 372 Cisse's Big Toe- Not Quite As Anti Pardew As Beattie Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    hahaha this is gods honest truth XD

  • 373 Cisse's Big Toe- Not Quite As Anti Pardew As Beattie Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    kevy, i tend to question his positioning, a number of times we have conceded and ive just been thinking, where was he?? really want him to stay and succeed tho he has potential to be world class

  • 374 kevymartins // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    @Cisse’s Big toe. Buying scout future star from easfc catalog is much more fun than building players like campbell don’t you think?

  • 375 Ian Toon // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    Ruddy- everyone’s days are numbered. It just depends what that number is! Personally I think he’ll outlast SAF. Don’t take it personally but I have to go.

  • 376 Beattie25 - Anti Pardew Crew // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    :)

  • 377 daztoon // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    @Ruddy Marveaux-lous
    Evening and i take my hat off to you sir

  • 378 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    Ruddy…Not sure what to say to be honest. If faith is lost it is extremely hard to get back.

    No doubt you have monitored the comments on here and will have seen whilst fighting his corner, I too am failing to argue why he should be given much longer to put things right.

    For me, it still comes down to who we get in next, not when. I cannot accept change just for the sake of it and a lot of people believe Ashley will appoint someone better, that has to be seen before we’ll know whether it’s the right move.

    All for upgrading, but it best be an upgrade.

  • 379 Mister Tuff // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:37 PM

    Having to hope our survival rests on other teams being worse than us is really not a good position to be in. We clearly have a better squad than some of the teams around us. Having said that there are worse teams some of whom have some very tricky fixtures ahead. There are quite a few games when those around us are playing each other -so good potential for for points being lost ie draws. Other bottom teams have games against top teams so you would think no progression there. I think if we can get three points this weekend -we should be okay.
    Villa for example have the following games – Man U, Sunderland, Chelsea, Norwich and Wigan.
    So I still retain an element of survival because of what others have to achieve to catch us up but it’s going to be a close shave.
    Then in the summer
    I expect half a team of new players -5 at least -with at least an established forward/attacking midfielder.
    Then a decision on Percy’s future.
    Other point with the extra TV dosh a lot of clubs will be spending to improve their squads we need to be ahead in the quality of the new players. Stand still and we’ll be in the crap again.

  • 380 Rotonda heights // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:40 PM

    ian

    you said you wouldn’t go over old ground but then you trotted them all out again. You’re becoming as boring and predictable as watching this Pardew team.

    Anita can’t get a game, Marveaux is often on the bench and we’ve never even seen Amaltifano who Carr deemed good enough!. Even Pardew’s star buy Obertan has been banished even though available.

    Even all the lame excuses aside how do you account for the total surrender on Sunday because for me that was the lowest point.

    One bad result last season against Wigan made him scrap a fantastic system he’d found only after Raylor had been inadvertently injured and Benny finally given a game.

    We never went back to it and we’ve never looked the same ever since that wonderful 6 match run last season.
    Pardew could put a great team out on paper, certainly not one that loses 3-0 at home, but he’d choke off any creativity so no point in getting him any more better players as they go backwards under his tutelage.

    Solskjaer could be an inspired choice as he really is a winner as a player and manager.

  • 381 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 16, 2013 at 5:42 PM

    Ian

    Indeed all our days our numbered, imagine we were told exactly what it was? But you do know how I intended that phrase you cheeky sod 😛

    Ibiza

    Not for the first time I think we agree on where we’re coming from. I can use mitigating factors to explain certain results, but there have been games where he has shown where his priorities lie, admittedly I tried to defend him in these instances but it no longer sits well with me given the situation we find ourselves in.

    It is a matter of who we bring in, will he sufficiently represent an upgrade, will he have PL/European League experience, will he provide the football we want, will he attract quality players.

    If these questions aren’t answered properly, and the right manager is not available then let Pardew continue until the right manager is available.

    It’s a case of “when” rather than “if” now though.

  • 382 scotty9 // Apr 16, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    RDM or Poyet id take any of them right this minute agree?




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