Sunderland Debacle To Be Used As Motivation


We had wondered earlier in the week, what had happened to Cheick Tiote this season, since he doesn’t seem to be half the player he was at Newcastle.

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Cheick Tiote – in action on Sunday

Tiote will get another chance to get back to his old form at West Brom on Saturday afternoon, and we hope the Ivorian puts in a good (great) performance at the Hawthorns, where Newcastle need to get something out of the game, after the Sunderland debacle.

Cheick has talked today in the local press, and says the lads have to take some motivation out of the humiliating Sunderland defeat:

“I think it’s important the players do everything from now – and next season – to turn it around.” “We must use the derby as motivation. We don’t want to feel like this again.”

“I will do my best to stay fit until the end of the season.” “We have so many important games coming up.” “The manager needs every player fit to fight in the last five games.”

We expected the players and manager to come out this week and apologize for Sunday’s shambles, and say they would do a lot better this Saturday – much like the players did continually during our relegation season.

But we hope it will be different this season, and that we will do a lot better in the final five games of this term.

With a winning run, it’s still possible to get into the top ten in the league, but we need to be at or near our very best form to do that.

And we at least need to finish above the Black Cats – that’s the absolute minimum requirement.

Here’s hoping.

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209 comments so far

  • croftus5678

    Apr 18, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    Comment #1

    well…i do hope the french lads have learnt how much that game hurt the club and that if pards does get the sack for lack of effort from the team they will not have it so easy with another manager ect ect.

    as much as i hate to say it i’m really hoping that was the wake up call we needed to motivate the team into waking up.

    if we finish 9th/10th then it will do well to settling things down for the team/fans/players and pards.

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  • woolerbill

    Apr 18, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #2

    We do not want a fit Tiote, I’m sorry but he is a negative player. If you recorded Sundays game have a look at him. We have better than tiote, if not we are in trouble. I can’t see how he could be worth more than we paid for him.

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  • Sack Llambias

    Apr 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Comment #3

    Players can apologise over and over in the media but actions on the field need to change otherwise it’s meaningless. Please no Saylor telling us how much it hurt. We know we’re still suffering. Just do it!

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  • croftus5678

    Apr 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    Comment #4

    @2

    i know what you mean but in fairness i would take the tiote of last season back in a shot however as it stands this season its either perch or anita for me as starters ahead of him.

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  • numba9

    Apr 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #5

    agree tiote is far too negative , he recieves ball and looks for the negative option first turns his back on better options then does a 360 and trys the previous best ball only to hit a brick wall. id sell him

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  • Toonboy_84

    Apr 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #6

    Remember how good Tiote was against manure at SJP last season? Had Rooney in his pocket.

    There is a good player in there somewhere!

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  • jimiley

    Apr 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #7

    The minimum requirement is to avoid relegation. No point finishing above the Mackems if we both get relegated.
    Question: How do you go from 5th top to near the bottom is 10 months?
    Would we be relegation fodder without the 5 buys in the January?
    How lucky are we to be out the bottom 3 bearing in mind the number of last minute goals in the past half dozen games?
    We have fallen further down the league since the purchase of these 5 players. Why?
    Would the top half dozen teams put up with our manager with the form the club has shown this season?
    If we keep this manager, what does it show about our ambition?
    Is Pardew a good manager?
    Some points to ponder over.

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  • Markaccus

    Apr 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #8

    @croftus… agreed. Perch when we need a more solid mf, and anita if we want a bit more pace to break. Tiote is a liability this season.

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  • Sack Llambias

    Apr 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #9

    On Tiote. He needs to revert to what made him look a special player. He can be a high energy player but needs to play to his strengths. He should not dwell on the ball as much because his range of passing is limited. Pass and move which is a strength of Anita. Tiote suffered a lot earlier this season by doing too much in attempting to cover the likes of Simpson and Williamson. The red mist has featured because of this and we need a cool head. The question is can he function in a cool manner and still be as effective. Against the mackems we saw a pusssycat which was not good for Tiote or the team.

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  • jimiley

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #10

    Pardew uses the excuse of Europe every time we lose a league game. Tiredness. Man U have played countless games in Europe over the last 25 years. Ever heard Fergy use that excuse. Hardly ever and only when they have loads of games in a few weeks because they are in every competition. Thats the difference between a top manager and a weazel.

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  • Mark the Mag

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Comment #11

    Tiote was one of my all time favourites. Sad to see what happened, never been the same since his red card at mackems. Pardrew said then he would have to change his game but he needs better coaching and support. Players like him need to play their natural game, and act on instinct not be told to hang back. Unforgiveable what he done against stoke cud have relagated us and he was to blame for 2 goals against the filth on Sunday, by charging in and the other backing off, brainless.
    Toonboy
    Yeah he was world class v manure, look on YouTube at the highlight was best dm in prem ahead of song imo. PLEASE COME BACK TIOTE WE NEED YOU. Untill then perchinio or Anita who is struggling coz he’s in a poor team.

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  • Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #12

    Jimiley Ferguson also usually has 20 or more players interchangeable in the first team

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #13

    and Ferguson has been doing it for 25 years.

    I’m not saying the excuses haven’t become tiresome before I get shouted down, but there has to be some give and take, both our manager and team are new to this and it was always going to be tough. I appreciate we’d all prefer to hear less about it, but there needs to be some middle ground not filled with hate and these comparisons to teams who have been doing it for years and are already well equipped.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Comment #14

    On Tiote….What is the vote then? It seems Tiote’s “loss of form” is partly down to him being told to reign in his style a bit, which is fair enough, we all wanted him to do the same, but it is seeming that he can’t do it without if hampering his play.

    We either give him:

    1. Free reign, where he plays well and does his job but misses large chunks of the season due to suspensions etc.

    2. Keep it as it is.

    3. Sell him.

    Personally I’d go for option 1.

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  • Toonboy_84

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #15

    Mark

    Just watched them highlights and it completely backs up what I said. I remember his debut too. He was pretty awesome.

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  • Mark the Mag

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #16

    Let’s give Pardrew a chance with no Europe, some transfers and hopefully no injuries.
    He was BADLY let down by ashley in the summer, despite awards in the poisoned chalice hotseat. Why is ashley not taking stick anymore ? If he got the transfers last summer this wouldn’t have happened. ASHLEY is to blame, yeah targets we wanted were to expensive and we got them cheaper in January

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #17

    If the defeat against the Mackems does not motivate them – nothing will – and that spells TROUBLE

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #18

    So losing to Sunderland is the inspiration for the next game.
    What the hell was the inspiration for the Sunderland game?
    Home crowd, local derby, 52000 fans but the most de-motivated team I’ve ever seen.

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  • martoon

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #19

    Very quiet this morning – people must have work to do this morning – even Markaccus hasn’t wound anybody up yet 😉

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  • Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #20

    Ibiza I vote 1

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  • Phatoon

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #21

    I do find people’s view interesting.

    If we win games/score last minute goals: it’s because we are lucky.

    If Man Utd score last minute goals: it’s because they’re world class.

    If we concede a last minute goal and drop points: it’s because Pardew is awful tactically and a rubbish manager, not the other team being lucky.

    This season was always going to be difficult and we couldn’t have predicted having this many injuries (well actually we should have known, this is Newcastle! 😉 ).

    I think the main cause for our position has been the lack of investment in the summer window. Europe takes a lot away from Premier League performance, the reason teams like Man Utd can somewhat cope is that they have a world class squad and not just a very good first team.

    I do agree with some of the views on Pardew (pro and con) but I don’t realistically see who would come here and do a significantly better job with what we had this season.

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  • Mark the Mag

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Comment #22

    Ibiza
    Good 3 options, id go for 1 aswel.
    With hindsight the key would have been to sell at peak value, in the summer for 15mill, but we wouldn’t get that now so keep him, and have perch as back up for his suspensions, that’s if he regains form.

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  • Shane

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #23

    Tiote’s form went tits up when he was arrested on suspicion of fraud relating to driving offenses in his big fat customised Chevrolet Camaro.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #24

    martoon…It’s never far away though 🙂

    PPB…”It’s good enough for you, it’s good enough for me, it’s good enough for two, that’s what I wanna see”

    Mark…That has been my feeling all the way through. Phatoon expands on it further and he is right there are of course good arguments made for both pro and con, but going back to basics, he was let down and before that showed he could do a decent enough job. Many of the same people who want him gone, did in fact foresee this season being difficult and Ashley seems to be getting away with little flak.

    On the other hand, if a better manager was available, should we have them? It is a valid point, but not based on reflecting on Pardew imo.

    Rotonda…What do you expect them to say? I get we don’t want words, we want action. All players and managers do the same though, so until the game where they have an opportunity to show they mean it, I’m not sure what else we can expect so shouldn’t we try to not let it wind us up? Hope this doesn’t come across as me trying to dictate, just trying to help.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #25

    Mark the mag

    Blame has to be shared. Our manager pandered to Ba to play a system that benefited him but not the team, although both top scorer Ba and captain Colo said they didn’t enjoy the hoof ball tactics. Is it a co-incidence our 2 most influential players left / are leaving.

    I’ve bored myself rigid about the manager’s shortcomings and the fitness / medical people etc but if people want the same manager and Carrol (because he’s a geordie) next season to go the manager’s preferred route 1 approach, then I can’t see us going up a level or being a good watch any time soon.

    The tragedy is we now have the best pool of flair touch players we have assembled in years. We are in the top 20 richest clubs but still employ the likes of Allardyce, JFK and the current manager. More than tragic, it’s criminal.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #26

    Mark…In hindsight, you are probably right. At the time though I can imagine almost everyone being up in arms at selling one of our star players who had a great future ahead of him for £15m 🙂 Can’t win all the time.

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  • Reverend Beattie25 of the Church of Epistemological Solipsism

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #27

    C’mon guys.

    I’m sure you lot forget we’ve got 5 hard games with relegation on being a distinct possibility.

    If we were 12th having lost as many as we’d won, struggled and were safe I’d be all for giving Pardew another go.

    Fact is we’re 6 goals away from having the most conceded in a PL season in our history, 2 losses away from having the most amounts of defeats. Haven’t scored from a corner. Have players continuously playing out of position. Play negative, submissive and defensive football. Have international stars playing like part timers. Have a manager that never shoulders responsibility. We have played in 2 competitions in reality after being knocked out in the early rounds of the domestic cups. We have been beaten at home and away from awful opposition and have just lost the biggest derby in recent memory considering the pull and threat of relegation.

    Yeah sure lets put it down to injuries and tiredness and back the manager to lead us next season.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #28

    PHATOON

    Consistency is the word. Manu are top and have been top for years. We are 15th.

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  • leeb1982

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #29

    I still don’t get this give him another season talk. Yes he has had injuries-so do other clubs. It’s all down to his philosophy and his belief of how to play football. He is turning world class footballers into laughing stocks and that’s not all down to injuries

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  • Phatoon

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #30

    Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see us get in a top manager and go all out for trophies etc. However I would much rather us do it properly and gradually build up to it without just selling out like Manchester, Chelsea and Liverpool

    Arsenal, Spurs (without Redknapp) and Everton are trying to do it the right way. I have a feeling that is what we are trying to acheive, but are just a few years behind.

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #31

    When you take everything into account. Lack of investment, games played, injuries suffered, bad luck and poo officiating you, I and we know we shouldn’t be anywhere near the position we are in.

    The rest is down to the manager being poor, the football being crap and the players being incorrectly used.

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  • Mark the Mag

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #32

    Ibiza
    Yeah Pardrew has not helped himself this season, I try and want to.get behind him, cos I think he loves the club, but the set pieces make me so.angry its disgusting to keep trying the same thing, over and over for 2 seasons with no.success. But is I like him despite the negative tactics, he has his own spin on things which was successful last season.
    Keep him now for.stability, then change when an outstanding candidate is available. Who knows he might develop his tactics like moyes given time.
    Another change is not what we need, we d be laughing stock.again

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #33

    If our manager gave the air of authority as if he knew what he was doing and when to do it, great, fantastic.

    Our manager had half the French national team out looking absolutely static, clueless and bewildered as to what they were being expected to do Sunday.

    Our manager always playing the percentages waiting and hoping for something to fall our way. He is neither pro-active or reactive and has no method at all.

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  • croftus5678

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #34

    @14 ibiza

    no point in selling him atm anyways so no1 is a no brainer imo

    the thing i’m in 2 minds with is if i was a manager i would be considering weather a team could afford to have a player “only” for his defensive duties in midfield !
    we have anita/cabaye/sissoko who can do everything so i tend to think 2 of either of those would be a better option than tiote/one other ! maybe !

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  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #35

    mark the mag

    Sorry don’t buy that. look at Swansea always changing and upgrading managers. They have plenty of stability. Chelsea change managers all the time and are European champions.

    I just can not see why anyone would want to get stuck with a negative defensive hoof ball manager when the possibilities for someone better are endless.

    of course it’s a risk appointing someone new but our manager got relegated with Charlton, nearly at west ham and look where we are now.

    If we were prepared to take a chance on someone who had 2 record losing streaks at 2 different clubs, why not on someone who has an actual successful and consistent CV? Novel idea I know. Don’t know if it will catch on.

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  • Beattie25

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #36

    Mark

    The tactics won’t change. Pardew has used them for over a decade at 5 different clubs.

    Moyes got Preston playing good football and immediately looked to implement it in the Everton squad. There was gradual but noticeable change in Evertons footballing style which warranted him another season after they finished 17th. The fans were for the most part behind him and the board were more than impressed in how he got the team, as poor as the players were, playing good football.

    Pardew has offered none of this. He has a wealth of talent. Going to waste. If we had the same starting 11 as Norwich then I’d be in the same position as all of you but we have multiple international stars under achieving due to an over achieving manager.

    He doesn’t love the club, he loves the fact he manages the club we love IMO.

    As soon as the season finishes we should sack him and take a good month to evaluate the many candidates from all over Europe that would be very very interested in managing the club.

    I don’t want someone who is a good man that we like at the expense of success and good football.

    I’d rather have a cock of a manager who takes us to the next level.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 18, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #37

    Moyes improved drastically when they appointed a top drawer assistant to operate alongside him, prior to that he hadn’t played anything like good football. This is the minimum that must happen for Pardew to stay. But also provides a good precedent and proof that with a top assistant and coach then a manager CAN change. Not definite, but nor is the success of a replacement.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #38

    Rotonda,
    People on here say they want Laurent Blanc as manager instead of Pardew. He had the ENTIRE french national team looking static clueless and bewildered.

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  • brian kilclines pony tail

    Apr 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #39

    for me the answer to our woes formation wise is to go for a 4-5-1/4-3-3 formation with ben arfa and marv both in the team.

    alas this will not happen or even be tried as it would mean having 3 forwards at times which could leave our defence exposed – this is pardews thinking.
    i feel it would create benefits, the extra time we would spend in the oppositions half would alleviate pressure on the defence, rather than the ball just coming straight back at them again and again we could actually gain some yards in games.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    Apr 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Comment #40

    Beattie…I will start by saying I accept Pardew has played some part in our position and don’t want to appear to just defend, but seeing as others tend to mainly criticise I am providing some balance to the debate – not absolving him of all blame.

    I think most people thought with EL top 8 and a run in the EL would have been a good season and that was when many were expecting more players to arrive. We’re 8 points off that, so to some / large extent does that list you mention account for that?

    People can call that his style isn’t what they want, can’t argue that.

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