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Sunderland Debacle To Be Used As Motivation

10:31 am, Thursday, April 18th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 209 Comments

We had wondered earlier in the week, what had happened to Cheick Tiote this season, since he doesn’t seem to be half the player he was at Newcastle.

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Cheick Tiote – in action on Sunday

Tiote will get another chance to get back to his old form at West Brom on Saturday afternoon, and we hope the Ivorian puts in a good (great) performance at the Hawthorns, where Newcastle need to get something out of the game, after the Sunderland debacle.

Cheick has talked today in the local press, and says the lads have to take some motivation out of the humiliating Sunderland defeat:

“I think it’s important the players do everything from now – and next season – to turn it around.” “We must use the derby as motivation. We don’t want to feel like this again.”

“I will do my best to stay fit until the end of the season.” “We have so many important games coming up.” “The manager needs every player fit to fight in the last five games.”

We expected the players and manager to come out this week and apologize for Sunday’s shambles, and say they would do a lot better this Saturday – much like the players did continually during our relegation season.

But we hope it will be different this season, and that we will do a lot better in the final five games of this term.

With a winning run, it’s still possible to get into the top ten in the league, but we need to be at or near our very best form to do that.

And we at least need to finish above the Black Cats – that’s the absolute minimum requirement.

Here’s hoping.

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209 responses so far ↓

  • 1 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    well…i do hope the french lads have learnt how much that game hurt the club and that if pards does get the sack for lack of effort from the team they will not have it so easy with another manager ect ect.

    as much as i hate to say it i’m really hoping that was the wake up call we needed to motivate the team into waking up.

    if we finish 9th/10th then it will do well to settling things down for the team/fans/players and pards.

  • 2 woolerbill // Apr 18, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    We do not want a fit Tiote, I’m sorry but he is a negative player. If you recorded Sundays game have a look at him. We have better than tiote, if not we are in trouble. I can’t see how he could be worth more than we paid for him.

  • 3 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Players can apologise over and over in the media but actions on the field need to change otherwise it’s meaningless. Please no Saylor telling us how much it hurt. We know we’re still suffering. Just do it!

  • 4 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    @2

    i know what you mean but in fairness i would take the tiote of last season back in a shot however as it stands this season its either perch or anita for me as starters ahead of him.

  • 5 numba9 // Apr 18, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    agree tiote is far too negative , he recieves ball and looks for the negative option first turns his back on better options then does a 360 and trys the previous best ball only to hit a brick wall. id sell him

  • 6 Toonboy_84 // Apr 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    Remember how good Tiote was against manure at SJP last season? Had Rooney in his pocket.

    There is a good player in there somewhere!

  • 7 jimiley // Apr 18, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    The minimum requirement is to avoid relegation. No point finishing above the Mackems if we both get relegated.
    Question: How do you go from 5th top to near the bottom is 10 months?
    Would we be relegation fodder without the 5 buys in the January?
    How lucky are we to be out the bottom 3 bearing in mind the number of last minute goals in the past half dozen games?
    We have fallen further down the league since the purchase of these 5 players. Why?
    Would the top half dozen teams put up with our manager with the form the club has shown this season?
    If we keep this manager, what does it show about our ambition?
    Is Pardew a good manager?
    Some points to ponder over.

  • 8 Markaccus // Apr 18, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    @croftus… agreed. Perch when we need a more solid mf, and anita if we want a bit more pace to break. Tiote is a liability this season.

  • 9 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    On Tiote. He needs to revert to what made him look a special player. He can be a high energy player but needs to play to his strengths. He should not dwell on the ball as much because his range of passing is limited. Pass and move which is a strength of Anita. Tiote suffered a lot earlier this season by doing too much in attempting to cover the likes of Simpson and Williamson. The red mist has featured because of this and we need a cool head. The question is can he function in a cool manner and still be as effective. Against the mackems we saw a pusssycat which was not good for Tiote or the team.

  • 10 jimiley // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    Pardew uses the excuse of Europe every time we lose a league game. Tiredness. Man U have played countless games in Europe over the last 25 years. Ever heard Fergy use that excuse. Hardly ever and only when they have loads of games in a few weeks because they are in every competition. Thats the difference between a top manager and a weazel.

  • 11 Mark the Mag // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Tiote was one of my all time favourites. Sad to see what happened, never been the same since his red card at mackems. Pardrew said then he would have to change his game but he needs better coaching and support. Players like him need to play their natural game, and act on instinct not be told to hang back. Unforgiveable what he done against stoke cud have relagated us and he was to blame for 2 goals against the filth on Sunday, by charging in and the other backing off, brainless.
    Toonboy
    Yeah he was world class v manure, look on YouTube at the highlight was best dm in prem ahead of song imo. PLEASE COME BACK TIOTE WE NEED YOU. Untill then perchinio or Anita who is struggling coz he’s in a poor team.

  • 12 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Jimiley Ferguson also usually has 20 or more players interchangeable in the first team

  • 13 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    and Ferguson has been doing it for 25 years.

    I’m not saying the excuses haven’t become tiresome before I get shouted down, but there has to be some give and take, both our manager and team are new to this and it was always going to be tough. I appreciate we’d all prefer to hear less about it, but there needs to be some middle ground not filled with hate and these comparisons to teams who have been doing it for years and are already well equipped.

  • 14 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    On Tiote….What is the vote then? It seems Tiote’s “loss of form” is partly down to him being told to reign in his style a bit, which is fair enough, we all wanted him to do the same, but it is seeming that he can’t do it without if hampering his play.

    We either give him:

    1. Free reign, where he plays well and does his job but misses large chunks of the season due to suspensions etc.

    2. Keep it as it is.

    3. Sell him.

    Personally I’d go for option 1.

  • 15 Toonboy_84 // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Mark

    Just watched them highlights and it completely backs up what I said. I remember his debut too. He was pretty awesome.

  • 16 Mark the Mag // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Let’s give Pardrew a chance with no Europe, some transfers and hopefully no injuries.
    He was BADLY let down by ashley in the summer, despite awards in the poisoned chalice hotseat. Why is ashley not taking stick anymore ? If he got the transfers last summer this wouldn’t have happened. ASHLEY is to blame, yeah targets we wanted were to expensive and we got them cheaper in January

  • 17 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    If the defeat against the Mackems does not motivate them – nothing will – and that spells TROUBLE

  • 18 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    So losing to Sunderland is the inspiration for the next game.
    What the hell was the inspiration for the Sunderland game?
    Home crowd, local derby, 52000 fans but the most de-motivated team I’ve ever seen.

  • 19 martoon // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Very quiet this morning – people must have work to do this morning – even Markaccus hasn’t wound anybody up yet ;)

  • 20 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Ibiza I vote 1

  • 21 Phatoon // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    I do find people’s view interesting.

    If we win games/score last minute goals: it’s because we are lucky.

    If Man Utd score last minute goals: it’s because they’re world class.

    If we concede a last minute goal and drop points: it’s because Pardew is awful tactically and a rubbish manager, not the other team being lucky.

    This season was always going to be difficult and we couldn’t have predicted having this many injuries (well actually we should have known, this is Newcastle! ;) ).

    I think the main cause for our position has been the lack of investment in the summer window. Europe takes a lot away from Premier League performance, the reason teams like Man Utd can somewhat cope is that they have a world class squad and not just a very good first team.

    I do agree with some of the views on Pardew (pro and con) but I don’t realistically see who would come here and do a significantly better job with what we had this season.

  • 22 Mark the Mag // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Ibiza
    Good 3 options, id go for 1 aswel.
    With hindsight the key would have been to sell at peak value, in the summer for 15mill, but we wouldn’t get that now so keep him, and have perch as back up for his suspensions, that’s if he regains form.

  • 23 Shane // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Tiote’s form went tits up when he was arrested on suspicion of fraud relating to driving offenses in his big fat customised Chevrolet Camaro.

  • 24 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    martoon…It’s never far away though :)

    PPB…”It’s good enough for you, it’s good enough for me, it’s good enough for two, that’s what I wanna see”

    Mark…That has been my feeling all the way through. Phatoon expands on it further and he is right there are of course good arguments made for both pro and con, but going back to basics, he was let down and before that showed he could do a decent enough job. Many of the same people who want him gone, did in fact foresee this season being difficult and Ashley seems to be getting away with little flak.

    On the other hand, if a better manager was available, should we have them? It is a valid point, but not based on reflecting on Pardew imo.

    Rotonda…What do you expect them to say? I get we don’t want words, we want action. All players and managers do the same though, so until the game where they have an opportunity to show they mean it, I’m not sure what else we can expect so shouldn’t we try to not let it wind us up? Hope this doesn’t come across as me trying to dictate, just trying to help.

  • 25 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Mark the mag

    Blame has to be shared. Our manager pandered to Ba to play a system that benefited him but not the team, although both top scorer Ba and captain Colo said they didn’t enjoy the hoof ball tactics. Is it a co-incidence our 2 most influential players left / are leaving.

    I’ve bored myself rigid about the manager’s shortcomings and the fitness / medical people etc but if people want the same manager and Carrol (because he’s a geordie) next season to go the manager’s preferred route 1 approach, then I can’t see us going up a level or being a good watch any time soon.

    The tragedy is we now have the best pool of flair touch players we have assembled in years. We are in the top 20 richest clubs but still employ the likes of Allardyce, JFK and the current manager. More than tragic, it’s criminal.

  • 26 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Mark…In hindsight, you are probably right. At the time though I can imagine almost everyone being up in arms at selling one of our star players who had a great future ahead of him for £15m :) Can’t win all the time.

  • 27 Reverend Beattie25 of the Church of Epistemological Solipsism // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    C’mon guys.

    I’m sure you lot forget we’ve got 5 hard games with relegation on being a distinct possibility.

    If we were 12th having lost as many as we’d won, struggled and were safe I’d be all for giving Pardew another go.

    Fact is we’re 6 goals away from having the most conceded in a PL season in our history, 2 losses away from having the most amounts of defeats. Haven’t scored from a corner. Have players continuously playing out of position. Play negative, submissive and defensive football. Have international stars playing like part timers. Have a manager that never shoulders responsibility. We have played in 2 competitions in reality after being knocked out in the early rounds of the domestic cups. We have been beaten at home and away from awful opposition and have just lost the biggest derby in recent memory considering the pull and threat of relegation.

    Yeah sure lets put it down to injuries and tiredness and back the manager to lead us next season.

  • 28 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    PHATOON

    Consistency is the word. Manu are top and have been top for years. We are 15th.

  • 29 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    I still don’t get this give him another season talk. Yes he has had injuries-so do other clubs. It’s all down to his philosophy and his belief of how to play football. He is turning world class footballers into laughing stocks and that’s not all down to injuries

  • 30 Phatoon // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see us get in a top manager and go all out for trophies etc. However I would much rather us do it properly and gradually build up to it without just selling out like Manchester, Chelsea and Liverpool

    Arsenal, Spurs (without Redknapp) and Everton are trying to do it the right way. I have a feeling that is what we are trying to acheive, but are just a few years behind.

  • 31 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    When you take everything into account. Lack of investment, games played, injuries suffered, bad luck and poo officiating you, I and we know we shouldn’t be anywhere near the position we are in.

    The rest is down to the manager being poor, the football being crap and the players being incorrectly used.

  • 32 Mark the Mag // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Ibiza
    Yeah Pardrew has not helped himself this season, I try and want to.get behind him, cos I think he loves the club, but the set pieces make me so.angry its disgusting to keep trying the same thing, over and over for 2 seasons with no.success. But is I like him despite the negative tactics, he has his own spin on things which was successful last season.
    Keep him now for.stability, then change when an outstanding candidate is available. Who knows he might develop his tactics like moyes given time.
    Another change is not what we need, we d be laughing stock.again

  • 33 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    If our manager gave the air of authority as if he knew what he was doing and when to do it, great, fantastic.

    Our manager had half the French national team out looking absolutely static, clueless and bewildered as to what they were being expected to do Sunday.

    Our manager always playing the percentages waiting and hoping for something to fall our way. He is neither pro-active or reactive and has no method at all.

  • 34 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    @14 ibiza

    no point in selling him atm anyways so no1 is a no brainer imo

    the thing i’m in 2 minds with is if i was a manager i would be considering weather a team could afford to have a player “only” for his defensive duties in midfield !
    we have anita/cabaye/sissoko who can do everything so i tend to think 2 of either of those would be a better option than tiote/one other ! maybe !

  • 35 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    mark the mag

    Sorry don’t buy that. look at Swansea always changing and upgrading managers. They have plenty of stability. Chelsea change managers all the time and are European champions.

    I just can not see why anyone would want to get stuck with a negative defensive hoof ball manager when the possibilities for someone better are endless.

    of course it’s a risk appointing someone new but our manager got relegated with Charlton, nearly at west ham and look where we are now.

    If we were prepared to take a chance on someone who had 2 record losing streaks at 2 different clubs, why not on someone who has an actual successful and consistent CV? Novel idea I know. Don’t know if it will catch on.

  • 36 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Mark

    The tactics won’t change. Pardew has used them for over a decade at 5 different clubs.

    Moyes got Preston playing good football and immediately looked to implement it in the Everton squad. There was gradual but noticeable change in Evertons footballing style which warranted him another season after they finished 17th. The fans were for the most part behind him and the board were more than impressed in how he got the team, as poor as the players were, playing good football.

    Pardew has offered none of this. He has a wealth of talent. Going to waste. If we had the same starting 11 as Norwich then I’d be in the same position as all of you but we have multiple international stars under achieving due to an over achieving manager.

    He doesn’t love the club, he loves the fact he manages the club we love IMO.

    As soon as the season finishes we should sack him and take a good month to evaluate the many candidates from all over Europe that would be very very interested in managing the club.

    I don’t want someone who is a good man that we like at the expense of success and good football.

    I’d rather have a cock of a manager who takes us to the next level.

  • 37 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 18, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Moyes improved drastically when they appointed a top drawer assistant to operate alongside him, prior to that he hadn’t played anything like good football. This is the minimum that must happen for Pardew to stay. But also provides a good precedent and proof that with a top assistant and coach then a manager CAN change. Not definite, but nor is the success of a replacement.

  • 38 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Rotonda,
    People on here say they want Laurent Blanc as manager instead of Pardew. He had the ENTIRE french national team looking static clueless and bewildered.

  • 39 brian kilclines pony tail // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    for me the answer to our woes formation wise is to go for a 4-5-1/4-3-3 formation with ben arfa and marv both in the team.

    alas this will not happen or even be tried as it would mean having 3 forwards at times which could leave our defence exposed – this is pardews thinking.
    i feel it would create benefits, the extra time we would spend in the oppositions half would alleviate pressure on the defence, rather than the ball just coming straight back at them again and again we could actually gain some yards in games.

  • 40 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Beattie…I will start by saying I accept Pardew has played some part in our position and don’t want to appear to just defend, but seeing as others tend to mainly criticise I am providing some balance to the debate – not absolving him of all blame.

    I think most people thought with EL top 8 and a run in the EL would have been a good season and that was when many were expecting more players to arrive. We’re 8 points off that, so to some / large extent does that list you mention account for that?

    People can call that his style isn’t what they want, can’t argue that.

  • 41 Phatoon // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    @ Rotonda,.

    Exactly, consistency is the word. So why just sack Pardew after his first half supported chance at Europe and Domestic football?

    When we got relegated, we had a bit of a reset, we shifted out most of the big names and brought in some ok players to tide us over. Since promotion, we sacked Hughton (which at the time I was upset about, because he’s a nice guy). But does anyone think he was really going to take us to the “big time”? I do not.

    In our first season we finished mid-table (if we had beaten West Brom, it could’ve been top ten). Perfectly respectable for a first season back.

    Second season, we improved the squad in summer and went on good run and ended up 5th, was a good season results-wise. Was there some good luck, yes, did we deserve it, probably yes.

    This season was our first in Europe under the new management, they had a stab at what they thought was best, They have unfortunately got it wrong. Not by a huge amount, but it has cost us a lot in terms of the Premier League.

    If we stay up (which I think we will), then this season can be built upon and we can try and get back to the top 5-8 places and hopefully Europe or another cup run.

    I don’t think we can really judge Pardew etc until the end of next season. If we manage to hold on to the majority of our decent players this summer (not really seeing any reason we won’t – presuming we stay up), buy a few reinforcements, then have a bad season next season (without Europe), then yes, imo, we can start to be seriously concerned about what is going on.

    But the way I have seen it (since Pardew came):

    Achieved a solid mid-table finish with a promoted team (half a season – sold top scorer in Jan).

    Achieved a top 5 finish in 1st full season without extra commitments.

    Achieved a good Eurpean cup run, in his first ever attempt (failing on two bad moments away from home – 1 game), but suffered in the league due to inexperience with how to manage the squad in the two tournaments (and a few injuries).

  • 42 Mark the Mag // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    Rotanda, Ibiza and most fans on here
    Great points, fantastic insight, wish we could manage the club, we see so much through our black & white hearts, all we want is a team to be proud of and to be were we rightfully belong. It makes me sad that we are the best fans in the world we care so much and you s have great knowledge about the beautiful game.
    We deseve better but keep getting let down by so many times just when we think we are on a new horizon. Keep strong fellow mags are time will come and no one will be more deserving than us.
    Respect to you all
    HWL

  • 43 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    @36

    moyes would be the perfect fit as manager for us.

    he does not know about how to get good players imo (but with carr doing all the hard work) but he gets the best out of every player and gets them working as a team ! so imagine what he could do with our players playing at there best all at the same time ^^.

    @35 retonda

    i dont think we would be happy with being a swansea tbh i personally think we are better and even though this season is a muck up we still know our team have a plan to go to the top at some stage ! and chelsea can afford to change managers everytime they lose a game as they have most of the worlds best players there who allready play as a team and it would take more than 2 losses with a manager in control to destroy that.

    its manu/arsenal that i think most of us realise is the way forward for our budget and like it or not there managers have been there a long time ! and they never started off like they are now it took them a few years to adapt there teams first before they started doing ok.

  • 44 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Lilongwe

    Played 27 won 16 drew 7 lost 4 %59.26 for41 against 16

    thats his france record. how can you try and say he no better than pardew

  • 45 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    MarktheMag,

    God help us if this blog managed Newcastle!! There would be more punch ups then a Bellamy Dyer Bowyer and Shearer reunion!! :-)

  • 46 martoon // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    I have to admit I’m starting to be swayed by some of Beattie & Rotonda’s arguments. While I don’t necessarily think we should sack Pardew as Lilongwe suggests I think he definitely needs help to improve our play either with a new coach or assistant manager.

  • 47 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Mark @42…Nicely said.

  • 48 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Leeb,
    At what point did I say that he wasn’t better then Pardew. A few times I’ve seen them they have been poor but won. Remind you of anyone last season? The comment was more tongue in cheek then seriousness.

    I do however doubt very much that he would join Newcastle.

  • 49 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    llongwe

    funny how they don’t mention his record 23 game unbeaten winning streak with the national team before the euro finals and his phenomenal success with Bordeaux and his playing career with Barca and Manu.

    Our manager played for Palace

  • 50 puli // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    Hi! We are coming to watch Newcastle-Liverpool game 27th of April.. Could someone give us some tips where to go and what to do at the area? What pubs to visit before the game and maybe some places what tripadvisor doesn’t tell you..we are coming from Finland so any info is a good info! Thanks

  • 51 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    croftus

    our manager is 52. he’s never won anything. why have so much faith after one good season. by the law of averages he has one every 8/9 years!

  • 52 JackButler // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Using Sunday’s debacle as motivation in an interesting concept especially when the cause of that debacle will decide the team formation, tactics and all other major decisions.

    In short, the debacle wears a shirt and tie and stands in our dugout

  • 53 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    lilongwe yes reminds me of us last season. so your happy if we have a lucky season and finish 5th and when we arent lucky and get what we deserve we are relegation fodder under pardew.

  • 54 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Rotonda,
    Ha, since when does a great playing career make you a good manager. Let’s get Shearer back again, or maybe Roy Keane wants the job.

    If you notice further up, my Blanc comment was tongue in cheek, they were awful to watch in a lot of his games, similar to Newcastle under Pardew last season though, they got results. I didn’t say Pardew was as good as Blanc

  • 55 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Ibiza

    It sounds like the exact same rhetoric you used last season.

    Forget about everything and look at the positive points of the league table.

    Well if your saying we are only 8 points off 8th (although we have played a game more) as a way to balance the argument then how do you respond to us being 5 points away from relegation (although again we have played a game more).

    It’s not just style Ibiza young man, it’s how close we are to falling of the side of the mountain when she shouldn’t be anywhere near the edge of the abyss in the first place.

    It the possibility that giving 6 more moths to the man could set us back years. It would be a massive risk to sack him now but an even bigger one not to sack him in the Summer.

    He hasn’t coped, failed at almost everything and for the sake of providing a balanced and positive outlook you are not seeing the direction we are heading.

  • 56 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Phatoon

    consistency is ie like SBR
    3.4.5 place finishes 3 seasons running

    our manager 12, 5, 15
    where is the consistency there and in the rest of his career?
    No point being good for one year then always get spectacularly found out a year later.?

  • 57 jayphoto // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Not calling for pardew to be sacked, but seriously worried about what he gets performance- wise out of certain players! Namely Vernon Anita who by all accounts is the best technical player in the squad! Tiotes performances have dropped significantly this season and Tim Krul when fit has been well off form! Id also point to Marveaux being crazily under used and HBA being a mile off playing to his potential! Also if anyone saw cabaye at lille, or for france, he takes a hold of the whole game, where for the toon he rarely does this! Theres also far too many times a player is out of position to accomodate another player! Jonas has played all over the pitch out of position just to keep him in the side….

  • 58 boater // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM

    Roy Keane, Ince, Steve Bruce also played for Man U. Mourinho and AVB didn’t even play. Glorious playing career means zilch when it comes to management.

    Pardew has been very unlucky with injuries this season admittedly, but now we have a damaged and defeatist atmosphere surrounding the team before a ball is kicked, I can’t see how that could improve without a change.

  • 59 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Is anyone else going to take advantage of the 8 year season ticket price freeze.

    8 more years of Pardew and 8 year season ticket deals on the cheap.

    Coincidence?

  • 60 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    JB

    How very true

  • 61 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    I mean more playing for Manu gives him an insight to the EPL and working under a very successful manger.

  • 62 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Boater

    Mourinho and AVB worked under Sir Bobby at massive European clubs.

    There has to be some form of pedigree attached or some success attached to a manger at smaller clubs in the early part of their career.

    Mourinho wasn’t working in Burger King and found himself in the Porto job.

  • 63 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    @51 rotonda

    hehe faith in the manager is going a bit too far ! however most of the blame thats forced at him on here is beyond joking point tbh as pointed out by friends who support liverpool and grimsby town.

    and i would like to ask as was asked me why we think we deserve the worlds best managers ?
    do we think we are a bigger team than arsenal/spurs/everton even west ham who tend to have a better reputation from the past in being a better football team ! maybe blackburn who have won more than us !
    the thing is we are “trying” to be better which means we “will” fail more then once !

    at the end of the season if we finish 10th or near we will not have gone backwards considering we got so far in europe which did well for our world reputation and we got better as a squad and youth teams with the quality of players we bought in.

    he’s not the best manager but we do not deserve the best manager either and even though i hate some of the things he does the players must take blame also ! but i will always support and back him while he’s our manager as i honestly want him to do better and never want our team to do bad at any time.

  • 64 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    Crofts

    Most people like yourself are so naieve.

    You think we’re moaning for moaning sake. You think we want the best manager in the world. You think we want to win the league. You think we think we should be playing like Barca.

    All these things are dreams that you think we believe are attainable. None of us are that stupid and you’re stupid for thinking that.

    We just want better. Better for the club, better for the supporters and better for the actual quality of the PL.

    We don’t deserve the best manager but we do deserve a better one. If you don’t think that we deserve better than I don’t know why you support our club.

  • 65 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    so croftus you say most of the blame forced on him on here is uncalled for. then who do we blame for negative tactics, players played out of position, set pieces, players under performing because of tactics.

    1 win away all season says it all really

  • 66 blew // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:41 PM

    Rotonda@25
    Brief, concise and exact.

  • 67 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Beattie…Then shouldn’t we all just drop our reasons then and just say what we feel? I did try and say that it will appear that all I am doing is defending, but that is to balance the fact that many are just criticising.

    The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    At the end of the day, you see pending doom, I see pending mid-table plus.

    I do and have accepted that a new, but better manager would of course be the right direction but given the proper tools Pardew can keep the job for now.

    Do I think he will have us winning the league or even competing for it? Unlikely, but when was I expecting that to happen? Not now. I have always seen this as a transitional phase for our club and we’re still in it. I do accept we are way too close to relegation and if we go down it’s a disaster. Some of that will be down to Pardew, however some of it wont.

    If Ashley appoints a better manager during the summer I will be happy.

    If Ashley backs Pardew in the summer as he should of last summer, I will be happy to see what he does with it up until Christmas.

    I would be even happier with that second scenario if he also added some new coaches to the team to assist. It’s not about just one man all the time, so if we’re not changing let’s help him to improve himself and the team.

    On the “who the manager played for before becoming a manager” – people are only saying that as people keep throwing the fact Pardew was a Palace player as some form of reason why he isn’t a good manager. It’s silly and has no real bearing on anything at the end of the day. For me, it’s even more ridiculous that you claim injuries as an excuse are…but that’s me.

  • 68 Grumpy // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Like it or not, Pardew will be manager next season. This season was a cluster fk but I’m pretty sure we will survive to fight again. Somehow it could be a lot worse

    .Howay the Lads

  • 69 JackButler // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Perch aside, there is not a single player in our squad that has improved under Pardew, not one.

    A basic fundamental of any manager is to take the players you have at your disposal and through good coaching, an understanding of who fits what role, whether a player needs a foot in his arse or an quiet word in his ear to get the best response out of them. To be able to motivate and inspire as individual’s and as a collective .To then set the team formation and tactics around these attributes in order to get the performances and results on the pitch.

    Alarmingly, Pardew and his staff are failing with all of the above and as a results of this we are sliding backwards. With the amount of quality we have in our squad we should be pushing for top 6-8, and easily so, and not fighting for survival and on that basis Pardew could and should be sacked for gross misconduct.

    Over to you Mr. Ashley!

  • 70 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    @64

    think you have that the other way around when you say i should not be supporting the team ! if you read the comment i say i never want our team to do bad and will always want every part of our club to do well ! how is that stupid ????

    so when in the championship 1st season /mid table 2nd season / 5th 3rd season / quarter europe-whatever possition so far 4th season ! what better would you like at this stage and what should we be going for next season ?

  • 71 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Pardew has been here for 2 1/2 seasons now and we are going backwards. in this time set pieces are the same week in week out with very little if any impact. how can can 2 1/2 seasons not be enough to improve on this front. our squad and quality of players has improved yet the football has not.

  • 72 Markaccus // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Well theres a fkn change. People arguing over pardew and posting the same sht about him. There is no point coming here any more. I might try next week depending on thw result with the hope of a new subject being discussed. (I doubt it though) Enjoy your scratched records, everyone.

  • 73 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    We’re naive because you think we think you want to be winning everything and to be like Barcelona, you’re naive because you think we want Pardew forever and think everything is wonderful or what we deserve.

    None of that is true imo, once again…the truth most likely is in the middle.

  • 74 Mark the Mag // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Lilongwe
    Haha, that wud be good fight to watch, shearer bellamy dyed and bowyer, jfk as the ref, carver as the cornerman and lambass doing the don king promoting haha

  • 75 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    @65

    tactics is pards and out of position is pards/injuries depending on the players fit for it but the players are grown men not kids and someone stood behind whipping them is a thing of the past (sunderland game for example if the players are not motivating themselves imo they are the ones who do not care what the fans think as they do not even attemp to win).

  • 76 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    @72 marcus

    unfortunatly you are right and i opologise :-(

    i got sucked into the emotion of things and i should know better.

    just to change the subject i do hope we start scouting holland next season as they have some great youngsters coming through atm.

  • 77 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    Starting to seem like groundhog day, I’m pretty sure I read pretty similar posts yesterday, and the day before, and the day before :P

    Just kidding lads, I know we NUFC fans have such a fountain of football knowledge and passion that it just spills out, so keep on spilling, if only we could get our players to show half as much intelligence and passion on the field we would be much higher up the table.

    But as I alluded to yesterday I feel we should let the chips fall as they may with regards Pardew’s future, the one thing we can all be fairly certain of is that he will be in charge of the club for the next 5 games and the next 5 games are more important than any other discussions about his future.

    When the final whistle blows for the final game then let’s go hell for leather in discussing his future but right now I am going to focus my attention on WBA this weekend.

    So do we think we will see a positive reaction from the players this weekend?

  • 78 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Ibiza

    I have never avoided the fact that injuries are a part to play. I agree that he has been hampered by many things but when all that dust settles he isn’t good enough for this football club.

    I said it last year 5th from top and this year 4 places away from relegation.

    By virtue you think that all my criticism is so harsh that you have to offer middle ground to balance an argument. That is far too diplomatic. In my eyes I am not being over the top with my criticism. My language may be colourful and my words may sound harsh but I’m not trying to find the middle ground for the benefit of all parties involved. I’m trying to offer my opinion on how to better the football club.

    At the end off the day you fall in one of 2 camps. Those that think Pardew can be successful and those that cannot. If you’re not sure then you have the right to reserve judgment but you yourself have said if a better manager is available we should get him.

    Why then find the middle ground? Why not agree that we are underachieving massively and the Pardew should, by right of his own call of duty, be held accountable. Not accountable for everything but for the things within his control that he has mismanaged.

    I don’t wish to sound critical off you after our love in yesterday but I just don’t get why on the one hand you agree but on the other you try to defend. I suppose it comes down to diplomacy born out of having an objective point of view.

    But if the man has failed then say he has failed (which you have). If there is a chance to get better then say we should get better (which you have). If the man has failed and we should get better then say he deserves to be fired (which you haven’t).

  • 79 JackButler // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    @72 marcus

    Its impossible to have different debate when nothing is changing with the club

  • 80 clinath@ed // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    ibiza@73….your wasting energy on someone who is only spoiling for a fight. I used to like reading his (Beattie) blogs but when he resorts to insults he dilutes his arguments. Dont let him drag you down mate…you have the most balanced view on here imo.

  • 81 Phatoon // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    @Rotonda,

    I think you’re missing my point. Pardew has had 1… 1 go at Europe, he did well in Europe. But unfortunately not the Prem at the same time.

    You can’t just come and go “SBR is consitency”, as he was a vastly more experienced manager in that field. Pardew is not and never will be if no one lets him.

    That’s why we should give him next season. From our side, we know that (with NUFC) if he only has the Prem, he does pretty well (5th).

  • 82 Mark the Mag // Apr 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    We should be in the semi finals of el 100%, 2 stupids mistakes cost us and we hit the post twice away, his tactics were spot on in both games, overlapping fullbacks in first 20 mins, had them rattled, against a very very inform team. They were on the ropes in the last 20 mins his exact game plan, I dreamt all night that HBA but his chance away, we would have had a very winable game against the Turks and possibly ended our wait for silverware, despite his shortcomings he wud have became Legend FACT.

  • 83 Mark the Mag // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    We should be in the semi finals of el 100%, 2 stupids mistakes cost us and we hit the post twice away, his tactics were spot on in both games, overlapping fullbacks in first 20 mins, had them rattled, against a very very inform team. They were on the ropes in the last 20 mins his exact game plan, I dreamt all night that HBA but his chance away, we would have had a very winable game against the Turks and possibly ended our wait for silverware, despite his shortcomings he wud have became Legend fact

  • 84 maximan23 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    very interesting read is this article…
    http://soccerwithoutlimits.com/pard-lines-with-the-off-cisse-rule-or-something-more-sinister-the-irrefutable-case-for-full-technology-in-the-game/24003/

  • 85 Shane // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    We haven’t scored a single goal from a corner in 288 consecutive corners!?

    I blame Pardew.

  • 86 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Ibiza

    Come on man. If you think we deserve better and don’t want Pardew here forever then why aim for the centre?

    Why accept mediocrity? Why try to negotiate a middle ground you yourself support the views of the majority but with half as much harshness attached?

    It doesn’t make you a bad person by agreeing with people who are far too strong in their opinions if what they are saying rings true.

    You agree with a lot with what is said but not half as strongly as some people put it.

    I’m not asking to join us in the badlands of anti Pardew hysteria but call a spade a spade not 1 suit out of 4 other suits each of which have equal value.

  • 87 always look on the bright side of life // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    tbh im now sick of the whole blame game, were Newcastle UNITED and to me thats what we need. I personally think we will stay up.. Ive got a feeling that Reading, QPR and Aston Villa will go down.
    Either way though, the result and performance we terrible on Sunday but its only 1 game and like all other games its only 3 points.
    We need to regroup and get through till the end of the season and the re-evaluate everything. Just decide on a way forward, if thats with or without Pardew, that decision is out of our hands but whatever the outcome, we need to remain UNITED.

  • 88 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    clinath…Thanks, it says something about my mental state, but I enjoy my banter with Beattie – a little sick perhaps :)

    Beattie…For me it simply boils down to expectations and timelines. Do I think we’ve hit that point where we “need” to upgrade, no I don’t. I didn’t expect it to come at this seasons end before and I don’t now.

    Granted if we do get relegated I will be shown to have been wrong, whether that would all be down to Pardew or not wont be important anymore and I accept that.

    He is an okay manager, on low wages, who is there to do a certain job whilst not upsetting our owner. He can continue to do a job on a budget, which seems to be the manifesto, so why drive ourselves insane in the meantime? The football may or may not have been better with investment in the summer, the results may or may not have been better. I know his job would have been a lot easier if he had gotten what I assume he was told he would – I base that on the fact we actually pursued certain players.

    You say that is far too diplomatic, well it is for you. That’s generally how I see things in life – it doesn’t work for everyone.

    You say there are only two camps. Not completely true. Pardew could fit in the middle of that for now and provide a stepping stone to the next step, something I think most agree with, once again we come back to timing, when do we take that next step.

    Ruddy…Starting to seem? :) I don’t know whether we will, but it is what I am wanting to see on Saturday. They’ve had a normal footballing week to prepare, a few injuries but nothing too far out of the realms of what can be expected, it’s an open playing field. I want to see some fight.

  • 89 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    7 mil for carrol is a bargain also if we can keep him fit.
    him and amido balde for 3 mil and our striking options will be a hell of a lot better :-)

    just need to find my fantasy wingers now !

  • 90 Phatoon // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    @maximan23 (84)

    Interesting read. I feel the refs this season have concentrated way too much on Red Carding for bad tackles (except McBANaman), but get loads of other really basic decisions wrong now…..

  • 91 Mark the Mag // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Sorry I posted that twice

  • 92 clinath@ed // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    is Beattie25, Catchy with a thesaurus and access to spellchecker?

  • 93 JackButler // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    7 mil for carrol is a bargain also if we can keep him fit.
    ——————————————————————————-

    We can’t keep the players we have fit let alone someone with the injury record of Carrol

  • 94 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    Phatoon

    if Pardew is not or never will be why is he at a BIG club?

  • 95 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Beattie…Do you know what I absolutely hate about modern football? It’s this attitude of clubs like Chelsea and Man City. It does sicken me and whilst if it did happen to us I’d probably go along with it, it doesn’t seem anything to be proud about imo.

    I’m not suggesting that is what you’re proposing to be clear.

    I am happy to back what we have for now as I see it as a step to progress. We may not have done so this year, but nor were we set up to really. That is where I am at, sorry if you think that is the wrong approach mate, but you’re starting to waste your time a bit. I’ve called this spade the best way I can, I think it’s fairly clear what my views are – I’m not trying to be tricky to save face.

  • 96 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    Clinath

    I agree 100% with your post.

    Sometimes I am good at posting sometimes I’m just rude and self centred. Totally old my hands up and accept that criticism.

    I also agree that Ibiza is by far the most balanced and unselfconscious poster. He has no air of arrogance or self loathing and tries to be diplomatic in everything.

    My point today is that diplomacy works 2 ways. You’re supposed to have a side to fight from both points of view.

    Ibiza is right to criticise me for my insult of crofts but by rights he should have also had a similar if less insulting thing to say to crofts if he is being in the centre.

    He could have asked croftus if he thought we deserved better rather than criticise me for something that I said to another poster.

  • 97 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    @87 we re united in wanting the best for the club. the thing is they is a differnce in views on how we can achieve that. personally sacking pardew is the only option. he has been here 2 1/2 seasons and has not shown that he is going or willing to change set pieces or tactics. and how can you say its only 1 game. its only 3 points but its not just one game. also we said the same against reading, west ham, swansea. so its not just 1 game is it

  • 98 Fridge // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    When it comes to upgrading players and transfer talk everyone gets exited. But when talk Of upgrading the manager, they will not have it. Why is that??

  • 99 ErnestHemingway // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Lilongwe

    I was just about to post the same thing about the French national team. They’ve looked clueless and appalling for the vast majority of the last two years.

  • 100 clinath@ed // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    ibiza…normally i like a heated debate, but I’m in bad mood so getting p!ssed off pretty easy today.

  • 101 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    phatoon

    so on that basis if we get 5th again next season we’ll be rubbish the following year again

  • 102 ErnestHemingway // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    And they eat pigeon. The dirty sods.

  • 103 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    Beattie..Ahah! Now I see what you’re saying :) You think I question your views more than people who are pro-pardew and for a fence sitter that is unreasonable?

  • 104 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    @93 jack

    hehe so true but we have almost always been injury prone but atleast we have a bigger squad nowadays so 2 main strikers is not enough (when 1 or 2 are injured lol)

  • 105 JackButler // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Ibiza

    You are going to end up with a lot of splinters you spend so much time up there on your fence ;)

  • 106 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Ibiza

    Just trying to go for some variety here….bad idea? :P

    Fight is all I need to see, because if we show more fight than the opposition then the sheer fact that we have more quality should be enough to see us through.

    If we fight more than WBA, Liverpool, West Ham, QPR and Arsenal then we should get enough points to stay up.

    But if I see another gutless display like the one on Sunday then I will find it hard to forgive, find it hard to reason, find it hard to understand how our gaffer cannot motivate a team that is in the pits.

    We deserve better and personally I think we will see better this weekend.

    “I find the harder I work, the luckier I get”, we haven’t got a lot of luck this season, so let’s work for it!

    I’m feeling more positive, I don’t care about managers, new signings, injuries, bad luck, poor refereeing, out of form players blah blah blah. As long as the XI on the field give blood and guts for these 5 games we’ll be ok.

  • 107 clinath@ed // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Thanks Beattie, I think I have brought two beautiful people together….cheered me up immensely.

  • 108 Rotonda heights // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    markaccus

    If you don’t want to reasonably debate on a forum on the current hot topic what exactly are you bringing to the table but an endless whining drone?

  • 109 Phatoon // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    The one thing I will admit with this management/coaching team is this set-piece business!

    I know Cabaye (and R Taylor :( ) like to bang em in directly. But we should be scoring more from headers etc.

    I remember we tried a few nifty tricks, like the one where Coloccini ran in from outside the box for a free header and had it clearer off the line/ But that seems to have stopped. Some sort of set piece expert needs to be brought in I think (Coach that is).

    I also don’t think we really have the players for it either. S Taylor is the only one who seems to come close. Shola is the only other one I could see scoring from a set piece…. which is concerning.

    This is why (if the money side is right) I would love to have Carroll back. He would offer a lot for set pieces, headers, knock–downs etc

  • 110 Jail for Ashley // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    I keep reading on here that we were aiming for a top eight finish this year,no wonder a lot of players are under performing being told to aim for a lower league position,if we are lucky enough to finish fourteenth this season shall we aim for seventeenth next year.

  • 111 Fridge // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    If we stay with pardew longer than current season i have a feeling it will backfire on us. For players to show ambition the leaders Of This club must do the same. A lot Of us has lost trust in pardews abilities. Just a matter Of time before the players will, unless they already have and the results of it Are there for everyone to see on the pitch.

  • 112 ErnestHemingway // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    This thing about scoring from corners…..I agree its a pathetic record we have, I can’t argue with that. But do yous not think a large part of it is down to the fact we only have Steven Taylor and mike Williamson who are any good in the air? Colo isn’t great in the air, he hasn’t got a great.leap and doesn’t attack the ball, from what I see from mbwia, the same can be said of him. So I can see complete sense in rhis Carroll link.

  • 113 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    clinath…Shows some great restraint. I think many people come on here when they’re in the mood to vent which causes a fair few of the arguments. Remember, breathe :)

    Ernest..Does that fall in to that French fine cuisine category?

  • 114 JackButler // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:23 PM

    @104 croftus

    Our injury issues seemed to rear its ugly head when we moved to our own training ground at Darsley Park in 2003.

  • 115 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Ibiza

    I agree 10000000000000% in your hatred for modern football. It makes me sick how a club a,ways in the shade of its neighbour can get billionaire owners and turn overnight into one of the biggest clubs in the world. I hate how a small London club still playing in a shed can spend over a billion in 10 years and have success so undeserved. I think we all hate it.

    But it is the game we watch and therefore are a part of. We can’t change that and if you can’t beat them you have to join them in some way. I think sacking Pardew wouldn’t hurt our already badly damaged identity but it could possibly help it.

    We talked at length once how having a successful team with spending relatively no money could change the landscape of football, showing the world you don’t have to spend loads of money to have success. But you do need quality in all areas.

    To change the world you need the right people. This is the only chance we’ll get in the near future. We are a few players and a decent manager away from changing the landscape of football. It’s very dramatic but I truly believe it.

    That’s why I don’t want him here. I want our club to be the club that changes football for the better. We can do it. Not tomorrow but maybe next week or the week after.

  • 116 Phatoon // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    @Rotonda,

    No………

    I’m saying, that he has to be given oppurtunities to learn. If we finish 5th next season then I think we can agree that we have an idea of how to handle the Premier League without Europe. I think this one (to confirm ONE) chance we have had with our current setup in Europe has shed some light on what we need to do, eg: buy more players. I don’t think they would make that mistake again.

  • 117 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM

    @96 beatie

    i can answer that but i thought i had allready done that but it was miss read ^^

    pardew is our manager “now” so i personally will allways back him !
    i have said many times before he is an avg manager and we are an avg team atm (my expectations this season was prematurely 6th so i myself was wrong) however we imo are still progressing as a team and while (importantly to me) the team is getting stronger than it has ever been before i will not call for his head unless it is written in stone that we start to go backwards or as a team we go above and beyond what pardew can offer us !

  • 118 clinath@ed // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    ibiza…think your being a little too kind on the resident looons…!

  • 119 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    JB…True, but it gives me a good excuse to get a good looking nurse to play with my bottom – so it evens itself out :)

    Ruddy…For me, a welcomed idea. As far as the players go, all I can ask is they give 100%, win, lose or draw. After that we can then start on the manager etc, but that for me has to be a given that the players try (as should the manager…of course).

    It would be fitting of Newcastle to pull out a great performance this week as the doubt reaches critical mass – just to leave us all more confused :) I hope they do, we need it.

    Jail…I’m not sure what was said to the players, I think that lower place expectation is what the fans were saying back then given we had EL to contend with….then add the lack of investment. Next season we will clearly want to improve on our position and if the target is lower than our finish this season then everyone at the club needs changing.

  • 120 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    patrice evra scored from a corner against us.its not about height only. its the movement. opposition know if taylor or williamson are on the pitch then they are the one who we will be aiming for. no variety no invention and in general poor crossing

  • 121 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    Ibiza
    Pushed for time but just wanted to say that I broadly agree with your line. It’s always easier to say in the case of football what you don’t want than to say what you do. Fundamentally, it is a timing issue and why should you feel the need to come up with a definitive view at this time. It surely is all important to judge a team and indeed a manager following humiliation against your hated rivals. I would have more sympathy with the anti group if they had a more logical and intelligent approach to the issue rather than giving the impression of having aching testicles. It is just like a loop and the thought that a war of attrition is the answer. Your made of sterner stuff. They would have a better chance of winning the argument if they tried recognising that Pardew does have some quality rather than just a nerd clueless manager. The line that he played for Palace is adolescent thinking.
    Bobby Charlton played for Man U.

  • 122 Jail for Ashley // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    It was interesting to see us listed as 20th most valuable club despite Mike Ashleys minister of propaganda Alan Pardew continually telling us we can’t compete with the big boys.

  • 123 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Ibiza

    It would be a strange one wouldn’t it, don’t bet against it. I think it would serve to infuriate many given how the team has underperformed all season but hey ho if we get the 3 points it will go some way to healing the hurt.

    I think I’m going to bow out early today, haven’t got the energy! haha

    Enjoy chaps!

  • 124 JackButler // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    Is it really that surprising that we haven’t scored from a corner yet???

    Our crossing ability is beyond pathetic while our movement is slow, predictable because its repetative

  • 125 jimmysmith // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Pardew wasn’t given the squad to back up what was achieved in the league the season before much less cope successfully with the added demands of Europe.

    The best argument I can think of against Pardew is that he perhaps didn’t do enough to force the owners hand in the transfer market when it was needed, being the football man at the table.

    Beyond that I think the die was cast. Or at least seems so, so sacking him would seem a bit of shitty thing to do assuming we stay up.

  • 126 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    clinath…As one of the resident loons it is more than fair ;)

    Beattie…We’re so close….I can almost feel it :)

    Basically I think we can afford to wait with the manager we have for now, you think it needs to happen this summer.

    Both plans can work in theory, the issues with my plan are if we get relegated or the players have no faith in Pardew (which has in no way been proven) and want to leave, giving us a major job and making us start again.

    Whilst you may view it as another year wasted, if we get in the players we’re supposedly after, we get another top 6 finish, which is plausible with no EL, the clubs finances are in even better shape where is the damage? We’d be in an even better position to get the man to take us forward.

    We haven’t established ourselves anywhere yet and maybe another manager could do it better or quicker, but it’s all stepping stones for me and I don’t think Pardew will do any major damage in the meantime – that last line is where I am leaving myself open to being completely wrong down the line and that I accept.

  • 127 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    Croftus

    I will support Pardew every time I watch the club. If there is one things that winds me ip more than a defeat its bad tempered idiots at football booing their own team and manager.

    Ill say it in the pub after or on the blog that Pardew is taking us nowhere, but I won’t ever shout it at the match.

    For me if you’re not going forwards you’re going backwards. Even when you’re standing still. We saw that in the transfer window last summer.

    For me Pardew is an indication of standing still. My argument if he is just steadying the ship whilst a better man comes along why is he even here?

    If he is never going to takes us to the next level why is he here?

    I don’t understand why people can sit back and say its ok, I can wait a few more years because there will be more Ben Arfas, Cabayes and Sissokos.

    Not for me. This is our chance. We have such an amazing team and with a few more additions including a manager, not only can we play good football we can win something and deserve to win it.

    We are 5 players (2 first team and 3 subs) and a manager away from being a Dortmund. Honestly I believe that. So why wait until 3 seasons down the line when we could’ve lost all our potential.

    Strike whilst the iron is hot. Surely even Ashley has learnt that from this season?!

  • 128 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Sack Llambias

    Bit arrogant to claim that reason and logic only exists on the side of those who are pro-Pardew, also defining the discussion on Pardew’s future as an “argument” is incorrect in my view.

    It’s a toss up of ideas, with both sides posing their respective opinions in a manner of debate.

    You remind of someone….hmmmm wonder who that could be?

  • 129 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    @114

    we changed back ?
    i could be wrong here but i thought fat sam when he took over his mission was to improve our injuries so he moved training grounds back in 2003 !
    i’m getting old now though so i probably am wrong.

  • 130 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    Sack llambias here i go with a few points on why he needs to go
    *boring negative football
    *players out of position
    *tactically inept
    *set pieces
    *not getting anywhere near the best from players
    *tired of excuses same 1′s week in week out

    now how about listing a few as for why to keep him coz i cant think of 1

  • 131 JackButler // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    @jimmysmith

    The club failed to back Pardew in the summer, something that everyone would agree with but………………………….!

    He has failed to get the best out of the players he has had all season long, including all the new players he WAS given in January.

  • 132 DokToon // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    gmorning all,

    i see were still grinding the “pards in, pards out” debate… so pardon me if i ask a simple question of you Beattie… say we win 3 or 4 of our remianing matches, and avoid relegation by a comfortable margin, will you still be so anti-pardew? or willl it be like this all thru the summer, hating on him incessantly?

    my stance is yes, we may get better with a new mgr, but by releasing him, we can get worse too, new mgr, new system, etc…

    just seems a lot of negativity here lately, so mind me putting my two cents in and say, just back the club for the rest of the season, and that includes pards…

    not everything was his fault, imo, yes, some substitutions were baffling. he plays defensively (which is frustrating), but, and im taking a liberty here, and being american,(which im sure will be used against me), we all support the greatest club out there… NUFC… so, for the love of mary, joseph and all the saints, back the lads, and try not to be so negative, esp to one another, who may have a differing opinion… to each his own, but we are newcastle, and that oughta bind us together, thick or thin..

    sorry, rant over…

  • 133 toonluvva // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    When the Toon were near the top last season Pardew was happy to take the plaudits.
    This season we are deep in the mire so by the same token Pardew has to take the flak.
    As a season ticket holer I have sat in the stands for some matches wondering just what has happened to my team this season.
    IF we avoid the drop this season then I’ll wait to see who Pardew can attract in the summer and give until at least December to turn our playing style around.
    By January 2014 we should have got a decent idea of whether Pardew is taking the club forward or not. If he’s not, then time for a change.

  • 134 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Sack Llmabias

    I agree that we anti Pardew types get swept up in the fury and hatred side of the argument and that does therefore make our position weaker. I also agree that some arguments are ridiculous but part of the beauty of it is that we can also see some ridiculous arguments given for pro Pardew types

    In war people lose themselves in their beliefs, become irrational and sometimes miss the point. But it does happen on both sides.

  • 135 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Ibiza
    Finally forgive me it’s a but…..
    Beware of Beattie 212354 or whatever, re stating your case and then arguing on that basis. It’s the lame politician approach. When he starts throwing up totally illogical points aoh and being abusive that you can pull over to the layby. He does tie up the blog with that sort of fatuous
    spiel. I read back as I don’t come on that often but his garbage exceeds
    Catchy’s. Fortunately fast forward helps.

  • 136 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Jimmy…Good point and the one that makes me constantly question who this next manager would be. Do we think Pardew would still have a job if he started demanding the players and kicking off? I do doubt it. He has an enormous task balancing and I don’t think many managers would stand for it or last.

    Jail…Still my concern with Ashley. I’m all up for building the clubs stature, but at some point he will have to then start using that stature to really kick us on. There have been excuses and reasons for our approach in the past but we are fast approaching the time where that will need to be kicked on – not in a stupid way, but in a way that matches said stature. Huge summer coming up, PL survival first though.

    Sack Llambias…One of the most frustrating questions I’ve been asked on here which I simply haven’t been able to answer is “when does his time run out then?”. I think I can and have answered that now. With proper investment this summer I’d want to see some real signs of improvement by Christmas. However, that is a long way off and there may be other circumstances, I do think that is reasonable though.

    Ruddy…Before you go, how was the play?

  • 137 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Ruddy

    Exactly.

    What you were saying is that I’m right! Is that right?

  • 138 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    Hope the players show us at west brom they are sorry by putting in a performance and 3 points.would bring in Anita for Cabs as he looks spent

  • 139 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    doktoon 132 say we lose 4 or 5 of our fixtures and go down. do you stick with him. i support NUFC not AP

  • 140 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    doktoon

    You should’ve been here last year when I was saying the exact same thing despite us being 5th.

    I’d have really wound you up then! Ha ha

  • 141 DokToon // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    leeb @ 139

    if we go down, no i dont.. but i will support him for the rest of this season… if he keeps us up, i give him til the jan window…

  • 142 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    @127 beatie

    i’m thinking that top managers would not join us over the past 4 seasons -till date which is my personal reason why i dont mind if we keep an avg manager atm.
    and do not get me wrong but most of the managers around that have been linked are either avg managers (benitez ect) or inexperianced and are doing well for 1 maybe 2 seasons but are not proven to do it over some time (same as pards) but pards is still getting stronger players and evolving us in that way so i do not see the point in taking the risk of appointing a new manager who could upset that.

  • 143 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Sack llambias

    I am worthy off all your criticism but some of what I say is correct non?

  • 144 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    Beattie

    I happen to think that even with your irrationality at times, which as you stated, exists on both sides, you happen to make well reasoned points.

    While I don’t think we should sack Pardew in the summer, I wouldn’t be up in arms in defense of him if we upgraded upon him in the summer.

    Just think it is very unfair to suggest that reason exists solely on one side of the discussion and irrationality solely on the other side.

  • 145 ErnestHemingway // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Ibiza

    Yes, it does! The french have an awful habit of eating anything that flies.

  • 146 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    why january. look at what he has done to the new players. since the initial lift the gave us and pardew got his hands on them he has took them back. look at sissoko

  • 147 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Ibiza

    It was a play written by Richard Dormer called Drum Belly. Set in 1969 about the gangster community of the second generation Irish who emigrated over.

    It was, in short, brilliant!

    Thank you for asking :D

  • 148 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Toonluvva…That is correct, he did take the plaudits last season…at the time at least. Now it was apparently all down to luck, that is a big part of where I think this fair and reasoned criticism gets lost. People want to pull apart this season and rightly so, but then just throw last season out there as lucky. Just not right imo.

    Sack Llambias…I do have to agree with Beattie and Ruddy here too. I have been guilty in the past of being extremely one sided, to the point of being accused of bullying with optimism. Both sides of the camp do it from time to time, so I try not to let it bother me so much – it’s hard to cover all the points on each post so people tend to focus on what their point is and a lot gets left out. I can take it on the chin as I hope people do when it comes from me.

  • 149 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    *over to America that should say

  • 150 DokToon // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    im not trying to be bullish… i hate to say this, but im not one to shy away for speaking my mind… most everyone here is from the other side of the pond, me, im from NYC, residing in houston now… i have to plan my weekend around when i get to see them on the television… and believe me, i do just that, have the wife trained to accept my passion for toon… i just wish people could see how fortunate they are to go to these games, and support the lads, wholeheartedly…

    sorry for my ranting…

  • 151 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    so ibiza he takes the plaudits when things go well. then why should he be immune from the flak when the sh1t hits thefan

  • 152 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    Ruddy…Sounds delightful :) Glad you enjoyed it. Catch you later.

    Ernest…Maybe there is an argument that it’s better than eating things off the floor? Not much of an argument I admit :)

  • 153 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Ruddy
    Your misquoting or deliberately misunderstanding. I signed the petition to get you back mate . Unfortunately your at the phase where you feel you need to ingratiate yourself. I prefer you when you say what you really think. You are a tease. I really have to go.

  • 154 sean667 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    So what did i miss?

  • 155 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    DokToon

    Love how love of the Toon has crossed the pond, and believe me you’re not alone in your envy of those who can get to games. Me, I’m from Northern Ireland, not even that far from Newcastle and I cannot get to games as often as I can so I totally understand how you feel.

    Ranting = passion.

    Keep it up good sir ;)

  • 156 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Croftus

    I think it boils down to how cautios or risky you are.

    If we sack Pardew there is a chance a new manager could ruin us, relegate us and be an absolute failure. There is an equal chance he could come in and transform us and make us a force of footballing nature. Regardless it will change us.

    Keeping Pardew for me is a bigger risk. I don’t see him taking us forward at all but there is a chance that could happen. The chance he could keep us static and the chance he could take us backward is more likely. Keeping him here for me will keep us at this level or take us backwards.

    Keep moving forwards.

    Newcastle Untied is an entity, Pardew is a man. If I thought the fans were holding us back I’d ask for them to be sacked too.

  • 157 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Beat’s
    You understand football but please don’t bullshit a bullshitter would be my recognition. You can fool some of the etc etc.

  • 158 ErnestHemingway // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    leeb1982

    While it can’t be argued that Sissoko has a great deal of potential and can become a fantastic footballer, at the moment, that is all it is. We signed him from a mid table French club where he was highly thought of. We haven’t signed the finished article. So to say “look at whats happened to Sissoko”, I would say, he is playing at his level at the moment. Very good, but inconsistent, which is how young players with potential play. But I am certain he will find that level of consistency at Newcastle and under Pardew.

    As I’ve said before, being thrust into a relegation battle in a foreign country with the expectation of the Geordie nation on his shoulders is a massive burden. I think Sissoko has been very good since he came in and was our best performer against the Scum, carving out two very presentable chances for Cisse, one of which- at least – he should have scored.

    Out of the January transfer signings, only Debuchy can be thought of as being “the finished article” as he was won the league with Lille, played European football etc. And he – to me, at least – has hit the ground running at Newcastle and in England and looked the pick of the January transfer signings.

    Only my opinion like.

  • 159 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    leeb…I’m not saying he shouldn’t – he certainly should. Much like I don’t think we can credit Pardew with all of last seasons success, which I didn’t, I don’t think we can put all this season down to him either. We can argue that last season everything went well for him, which is fair enough, at the same time though, everything has gone against him this season.

    Maybe a solution is to deduct some years off his contract that he earned for last season? ;)

  • 160 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Recommendation

  • 161 BigKirky // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Read an interview with Barton as he talks about French football and differences between England. Was a good read. Interesting as our players are coming from there and it might give a bit of an insight into a few things from our incoming players points of view. Here’s a snippet:

     Certainly when I came at first, the first few times I remember bombing on in training sessions, and it was like “what are you doing?” I was like, “I’m getting in the box, the ball’s gone wide!” ” “…that’s not what we do. Not here, you have to sit back in.”

    Here’s the article:
    http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2013/04/17/interview-marseilles-joey-barton-i-dont-want-to-play-for-any-other-football-club/

  • 162 ErnestHemingway // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    The way people talk on here, you would’ve thought we had signed Yaya Toure and now we have Carlton Palmer.

  • 163 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Sack Llambias

    Uh huh, let me guess, you know a thing or two about psychology do you?

    Ingratiate? Not saying what I feel?

    Think I’ll swiftly sweep over this gross act of misconduct on your part :P

    Might stay for a while maybe Ian, I mean Sack Llambias will reply.

    Ibiza

    If ever you get the chance to see it (don’t know what the theatre scene is like in Ibiza) then I would highly recommend it.

  • 164 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Ruddy…Not a great theatre scene over here, lots of theatrics though…mainly from me.

    Right I am off. Said what I have to say for now and can see this going south pretty soon.

    Play nicely one and all.

  • 165 Shane // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    Anybody who declares Alan Pardew as tactically inept clearly didn’t watch any of our football last season.

    You don’t go from LMA Manager of the year to a tactically inept, clueless manager in the space of seasons.

    Plagued by injuries and under performing players, let’s not forget it takes time for new players to gel as a team and we’ve had a huge influx of first team players learning to play together. Yes, tactically Pardew has made mistakes in this season and the last, mangers get it wrong on occassions. Sir Alex dropped Rooney against Man City and ultimately lost the game… It happens.

    Pardew deserves another season! Get off the mans back, support the team.

    (The point about the players needing time to gel is a rather important one i’d like some of you to ponder.)

  • 166 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // Apr 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    If Pardew stays he needs to find a leader on the pitch.I don’t see one in the club at the moment.People say Cabaye but he hasn’t shown as one with armband at present

  • 167 DokToon // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    ty ruddy, i appreciate the kind words, as ive told ibiza, (gmorning ibiza), its hard to be one of the few toon fans here… most are manure or chelsea ones, and i dont speak to them… but ive been following toon since at least 96, if not earlier, when i really deveoped a love of the game…

    i actually started to follow them as newcastle brown ale was very easy for me to “borrow” at my place of employment, and fell into love with the team, i mean, underage, and a beer named for the club was impressive, in my young inebriated mind… :)

  • 168 sean667 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    oooh i see.

    Guys if you were all sat in the pub discussing the Toon would you be treating each other so poorly?

    i think not :D

  • 169 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    @151

    ibiza only means that if those pro-pards think he’s great last season look at his bad points this season and vice versa if they believe pards is that bad this season look at the good stuff from last season ! in other words be realistic and not tempramental.

  • 170 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    think thats for me ernest. sissoko has the potential to be as good as toure but pardew will not get him to reach his potential. how many players has he developed. please dont say perch although he is a good reliable stand in. he is not a starter or the potential to be world class

  • 171 always look on the bright side of life // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Even if Pardew was to go, weve had no great success in people wanting to be our manager, I honestly couldnt see any “big name” managers wanting to work under Ashley and Llambias no matter if theyve improved or not.
    There are unproven people like Ole Gunnar etc but untested in english game management, there are lower league managers who I like such as Uwe Rosler but once again no experience of top level management, Benitiez will be out of a job in the summer but no way would he work under Ashley I wouldnt have thought.
    Unless there is a better option in place and available and wanting to come, I wouldnt rock the boat because were just as likely to end up with another JFK or Souness situation.

  • 172 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    To all

    I apologies to all for the strength of words that I use, my bad language and ill temper. I am sorry for insulting you if I have and I shall say sorry now if I do in the future.

    I will not apologies for my opinion but will try better to respect yours. I do not think my view point is the only one that should be heard but I believe it is the right one. I believe this not because I am tired of Pardew, I am tired of our club always being runners up. What I say isn’t in attempt to destroy the club or to make people angry, it is an attempt to make the club we share better.

    You cannot chose in life what you love, it just happens. If you love something you want the best for it.

    If Newcastle was my daughter Pardew is the horrible boyfriend. He might be good with her but her standards have dropped whist she’s been with him. I am just the father hoping she finds a prince who will care for her,, look after her and when I’m dead and gone, make sure she’s in a good place.

    I think the one thing we all agree on is we want to see our club be the best in the world. Everything else is just an idea on how we get there.

    Lets agree to disagree and forgive me for my weakness and accept me for my strengths.

    Now that’s over, a new subject, and one from earlier. What to do with Tiote???

  • 173 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    croftus i am. i want us to be moved forwards and all i here is we had europe and injuries. so take away those 2 can you show me how he has taking us forward

  • 174 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Beatrice

    Oh how I love your analogies!

    Magnanimous approach though I do love when you’re throwing c*cks around the place like a monkey who’s gotten tired of his faeces :P

    How do you see WBA game going?

  • 175 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Tiote sell him use the money and try and get Erikson from Ajax.Shit but then we get back to Pardew as he wouldn’t use him right

  • 176 sean667 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Beattie25 @172 That brought a tear to my eye, and feel even tho i’m behind pardew at the mo, i should have a word for your daughters sake.

  • 177 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    @166

    yep i completely agree cabaye imo no leader on the pitch (as much as i wanted him to be captain over colo i can see i was wrong again) for my 3rd time lucky my vote would go to mbiwa on the thinking he’s been a proven good captain before !

  • 178 cockneymagpie90 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Beattie is totally right in what he says and the same goes for anyone else doubting Pardew.

    Hes a joke of a manager that has got so much wrong this season in terms of tactics, formations, line ups, subs, playing shola guti and tiote and not playing anita, and campbell.

    Hes won as much as hes lost and and the team has let in on average nearly 2 goals a game and scored on average only 1 goal.

    He needs to do one before its too late!

  • 179 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Ok lads, been a pleasure but I actually need to go.

    As Duncan Bannantyne would say, I’m oot ;)

  • 180 cockneymagpie90 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Anita, marvo and campbell*

  • 181 ErnestHemingway // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    Leeb

    I think since Sissoko has came into the the club, he has shown in glimpses what he is capable of. Whether he will or won’t find the consistency while Pardew is manager, neither of us know for certain. I think he will, you don’t. Time will tell. Well, thats if Pardew remains manager for the foreseeable, which may or may not happen.

  • 182 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Sack Llambias

    If I could recommend anything to you it would be to aim all hostility and insults my way. You have a chance of beating me in a debate or a battle of wits.

    Against Ruddy you haven’t got a chance. Not to say that Ruddy is unmovable, unshakeable or so cemented in his own thoughts that he is never wrong, but as I and many others can testify the young man is an intellectual behemoth.

    First rule of debate and discussion is know your level.

    Even in my own arrogance I wouldn’t take on that man for no reason. I

  • 183 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Ibiza
    Reviewing unanswered questions posed. It’s not a question of not making a decision and thereby not making a mistake. But, on the timing question:
    Clearly should we be relegated, clearly lost the dressing room, players in the team clearly discontented, when you watch the team and just can’t see them getting any better. As I said it’s always easier to determine what you don’t want than what you do. I really don’t see your line as being indecisive or the other group as being emphatic.
    It is a question of timing and keeping your nerve. For every fan who cites Sunderland you can cite Wolves. Shearer didn’t take us down because 4-5 so called players had lost it long before he came on board.
    Timing is everything in football. How can I be so certain only time will tell.

  • 184 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    Beattie, keep Tiote, and allow him to play his normal game. This season because of our poor performances Tiote is trying to do more than in the previous 2 seasons. That could be because Pards has told him to try to do more, but last season he won the ball and gave it simple. This season he is trying too hard and because of that exceeding his limitations.

    A Tiote doing the basics and keeping to his game is a wonderful thing, as we witnessed many times last year. I am not sure of the figures but he had an excellent pass completion rate last year, I would dread to think what it is this year….

  • 185 beefman13 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    Why, do we always have to use a negative to bounce back, why is there not sufficiant motivation without the negativity, av heard the same statement we let the fans down more times than there tired, it just wares so thin after a time.

    We have international players all over the park and they need to deliver, Pardew showed faith yet again in certain players, we all know who his sweethearts are, goals win games, defending they sat wins titles, but we now have no choice but to go for wins. Um totally embarrased that we should be hoping teams like wigan loose, to help save our skins, fed up with the quality we have served up this season, inconsistant is a massive understatement.

    No more bloody excuses managers or players, we are not having them, pull your fingers out and deliver.

  • 186 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    @173

    i think it was a general comment and not aimed at any one person m8.

    and yep i think we all want to move forward we just have different ideas on this season and how we move forward.

  • 187 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Ruddy

    Enjoy your day and we’ll draw 1-1 against WBA IMO.

  • 188 cockneymagpie90 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Beattie, f them and their opinion, they dont have a clue but u my friend do.

    Pardew will lose his next game and they will still support him and buy his bullshit in the press saying it was down to injuries etc but uand meknow what pardews about and thats clueless management.

    Theyll realise one day when we are successful under someone with a tactical footballing brain scoring goals for fun with world class players.

    At the end of the day i think Pardews gone in the summer because he is costing the club millions and ashley knows this.

  • 189 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    @172

    imo no point selling him as we would not get much for him untill he hits some sort of form but on the other hand i would niether play him as he is atm prefering perch/aita instead !

    i would tell him to sort his head out or get out and try get some aggression back into the lad.

  • 190 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    Beattie
    Thanks for the advice. I thought Behemoth were a Polish metal group.

  • 191 ichrisho // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    If we go down – I will fist a horse…

  • 192 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Lilongwe

    I still think Tiote has got ‘it’, whatever ‘it’ may be.

    I think the likelihood of him staying is now a lot better than it would have been previously (for better or worse).

    I think on reflection he will see how rubbish he’s been and return to normal next season so I hope we keep him.

  • 193 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    @beefman
    True said it to many times this season when once is enough

  • 194 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Sack Llambias

    They are and Ruddy is their lead singer.

  • 195 Beattie25 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    Sack Llambias

    Also that whole avoid Ruddy thing wasn’t an insult to you. I don’t even know you and you might be the fountain of all knowledge and a master debater but don’t go for the great white shark straight away when there are Tuna all around you.

  • 196 ichrisho // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    “…I think it’s important the players do everything from now – and next season – to turn it around…”

    Generic BS again!!!! AHHHHHHH – what happened to you…. where is the main man in the middle… what is the story… If I am to be proved right – I think Pardew had a word and said concentrate on keeping the midfield tight – no more tackles… “…duuuuhh OK BOSS….” :( Boo-Fu£k-U…

  • 197 ichrisho // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-newcastle-horse-puncher-cant-accept-that-hes-a-horse-puncher

    Hilarious!!!

  • 198 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Beattie
    Just what fantasy world do you live in. I really feel the pressure. A bit like being given a rallying call from Beefman and having to get out of the trenches in the First World War. Matter potentially of life or death you mean.

  • 199 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    @184 agree with that. I’d rather have a title that plays well for 28 games missing the other 10 through bans than a tooth playing shite every game

  • 200 Sack Llambias // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    Beattie
    I have read the blog for years. I also have been on a speed reading course. Till the next time and don’t look over your shoulder.

  • 201 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    @189 and a good one at that

  • 202 santonthenewmaldini // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    I really hope at the end of the season that Pardew and LLambas have another of those meetings with the fans at St James’s like they had before January and the fans can get their grievances heard

    Watching football over a number of years a familiar theme usually tends to happen when a team struggles and a manager gets kicked out the door one of the most common is constantly playing players out of position!!!Seems to happen to Newcastle quite a lot!!!

    Then what happens is the new manager comes in and puts the players in the proper positions and they get results !!For me Pardew plays at least 6/7 players out of position every game I mean how the hell can you expect to win games and function properly when this happens :

    Krul is a GK but for us plays the role of sweeper and takes all the set pieces in our own half = pointless we should only allow him to kick the ball in emergencies ad he should not be launching free kicks into the box!!

    Marveux plays on the wing where we never give him the ball – is a no 10 who has our most assists this season without playing

    Santon – People say he is a left back but he is wasted there the boy is one of our best attackers should be playing further up the field now with Haidara at left back – Should be taking Jonas place on the wing

    Jonas – Plays everywhere and does not excel anywhere his position should be on the bench

    Tiote – Is a water carrier trying to be the play maker either by Pardew instructions or is trying to do to much either way his position should left back on the bench

    Cabaye – Is being asked to be a defensive midfielder for whatever reason when he is a goal scoring play maker!!He is the one person you want outside the box to hit shots but is never near the edge of our box in open play looks tired and unhappy with how we play

    Sissoko – is being asked to play as a no10 does not have the touch or the passing ability to play there actually looks really good on the right wing as he can roast fullbacks with his power although should possibly be playing where Tiote plays as the defensive mid

    Gouffran – Not a winger!!!Is a striker!!!In fact is a great striker when played up front on his own for Bordeaux!

    Cisse – Not a winger, Midfielder or full back!!Also not really a lone striker !

    in fact there is NINE players out of position near enough every game!!!

  • 203 ichrisho // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Bravo Santon – Bravo… We all have had the blinkers on…

  • 204 croftus5678 // Apr 18, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    @202

    apart from cisse who is not played out of position he’s just simply cisse :-( i completely agree with all what you say about the players there.

    and imo we should cut krull’s legs off as he’s one of the worst goalkeepers i’ve seen for giving the ball to the other team from goal kicks ect (brilliant goalkeeper though)

  • 205 leeb1982 // Apr 18, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    @202 spot on- and who needs to take blame for this. coaches, injuries, me granny. AP

  • 206 bettyswallocks // Apr 18, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Ibizatoon

    Reading between the lines of your extremely diplomatic posts, it seems to me that you are worried that a better manager would put too many demands on the board thus causing more disruption.

    Of course Pardew is obedient and beholding!

    Where else will he ever find the opportunity to manage a massive club with a massive following in a fabulous stadium with a fabulous squad of well scouted talented players.

    Managing NUFC is no longer the poisoned chalice it once was.
    We have an owner who has paid for his learning but looking to take the club forward in a business like sustainable way and the best supporters any manager could wish for.
    Bringing in a new manager doesnt have to be a major upheaval and restructuring process.

    Southampton are a good example where just a fresh modern manager can improve things very quickly without huge changes behind the scenes,

    Show some ambition man!!!

    I m sure there are plenty of better managers than Pardew who would love to come to us.

    A few more additions in the summer and a better manager is all we need. The rest is already in place.

  • 207 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // Apr 18, 2013 at 3:11 PM

    Plans for the day have fallen through so I’m back :D

    Wow, it seems in my absence that Beattie has been saying some incredibly nice things about to say the very least. While I would say intellectual behemoth to be way above my station, I do feel a tinge of pride at the accolade so I thank thank thee kind sir but come one come all and let us discuss all things NUFC.

    And like many of you I’ve just done the BBC predictor, and I did it by being overly harsh on NUFC (I gave us 3 defeats and 2 draws) and even with a dreadful finish we still stay up with Stoke being the third team relegated, I struggle to think where they are going to pick up their points, (I was also very kind to Wigan giving them 2 unlikely victories in their last 6)

    I think we’ll pick up more than 2 pts in the last 5 games though so we should be ok.

  • 208 toon kk // Apr 18, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    I agree we have a decent team but with far to many players out of position. For a long time you don’t know which team is going to turn up sometimes were either really good but for far too many games we just seems lackluster, we can’t handle pressure nobody seems to know there proper roll and we look like headless chickens!!!! Like many have said our corners are terrible. Would probably take Andy Carrol back but would probably need Joey back to supply him. We desperately pace and flair. We’re very frustrating to watch sometimes. Mixture of bad management and some players simply not good enough. Bet if a new manager came in it would give them a shake.

  • 209 toonicle // Apr 18, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    Haven’t seen a good game all year by Tiote. Sell him and use the money to bring Gameiro in.




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