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This Is Why Alan Pardew Will Not Be Fired By Newcastle

1:45 pm, Sunday, April 21st, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 207 Comments

We know there are a lot of fans who would like (love) to see Alan Pardew fired, after we were humiliated by Sunderland last Sunday, and after all, some Newcastle fans have just never taken to the man.

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Pardew – will be given chance to make Newcastle top six side again

But rather than get into the pros and cons of Alan’s attributes,  we think there’s just no chance that Alan Pardew will be leaving the club anytime soon, and that’s based on what his bosses think about the situation and the man.

Mike Ashley and Derek LLambias have (almost) admitted they made a huge mistake last summer, by not increasing the size and quality of the squad for Europe.

And the five Frenchmen we brought in during January almost proves that – and the five lads all started yesterday, so they were all good buys in our opinion – very good buys.

And with the extra 14 games we’ve had in Europe, where the lads are playing on a Sunday following the Thursday game,  that’s affected us in the league – definitely.

And then we’ve had all the injuries – and are still having them – poor Ryan Taylor is going to be out for almost two seasons now, Colo’s been out for eight weeks since he did his back in late February, and Ben Arfa has hardly been available, and will only be used as a late substitute in the remaining games.

Tim Krul, Yohan Cabaye and Steven Taylor and others have also been out injured for long periods this season.

And there’s a hint today that Alan Pardew is saying he doesn’t really care where we finish in the league as long as we are not relegated.

And it could well be there will be lots of comings and going in the summer – to rebuild the squad for next season – although we have some very good players right now – if only they were fit.

We’d be very surprised if Mike Ashley doesn’t want Newcastle to finish in the top six next season, and without the European games, and with the basis of the squad we have now – when all fit – we should be a decent bet to do just that.

And of course we’ll have two chances to hammer Sunderland next season, as long as we both stay up – which seems likely.

It’s been a terrible season in the league, an embarrassing league season, no doubt about it, but we’re almost 100% certain we’re reading the tea leaves correctly  - that Mike Ashley will want Alan Pardew to do what he did last season – and get us back into the top six next season – and Europe again.

And then we need to ensure our squad is big enough for Europe – and we cannot make the same mistakes again.

That’s what we think is going to happen at Newcastle.

What do you think?

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207 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    zzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • 2 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    He’s Ashley’s bitch so he won’t get sacked … until the terraces turn toxic …

  • 3 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    theres no point making excuses for him ED.
    The mans tactics are shite.

  • 4 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    If Ed was meeting gloating Mackems everywhere he went he might be less charitable.

  • 5 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    One of the reason that Pardew could be sacked is that after those quality internationals where brought in during the January window our manager has failed at every turn to get the best out of them or anyone else for that matter.

    It’s all well and good Pardew saying that our squad wasn’t big enough but it’s his job to get the best out of the player we did have, players that were hailed for taking us to fifth last season.

    It seems that Mr. Pardew wants the applause and adulation when things are going well but quickly shifts the blame when things go wrong

  • 6 microbar // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Sounds like the pardew book of excuses not good enough, move him out now.

  • 7 Novocastrian66 // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    I’m not that confident we will stay up.

  • 8 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    I fully understand Pardew has had a very difficult season, any manager would struggle and I will go as far as saying nobody would have got us top 5 again.

    I think with the quality we have we should be safely in the top 10…thats not asking form much, just another 9-10 points, and given some of our defeats then i think that would be a fair amount.

    I don’t think we have lost only due to injuries/weak squad, sure that cost us a few times i understand. But early european round we changed 8 players or so on a thursday so tiredness shouldn’t have been a huge issue for that, maybe later round when we went with the best team each time.

    I think our problem has been lack on intent, not even style of football, just the fact we sit so deep a lot of the time that we cause ourselves problems.

    Yesterday was a perfect example, a microcosm of our season. First half we played high, quick, closed down early, pressured a were winning and should have had more. Second half we came out to defend, sat deep, invited them into our half and paid the price.

    If we can cut that overly cautious part of our game out Pardew could be the man to lead us forward, if he can’t then we need to be looking elsewhere.

  • 9 Toondog2 // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Same old , same old
    He has no new tactics to change a game unless it is hoof ball and trying to protect a 1 goal lead after 20mins !!
    He is paid a lot of money to deliver .
    Look at many other managers who play without the so called top players we are supposed to have .
    David Moyes is a prime example of consistency with little money to splash out . I am sure there are many more .

  • 10 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    Sage

    He can’t cut it out.

    It’s who he is and how he’s managed his entire career.

    I mean its even how he played during his career.

    He is one dimensional because its all he knows and nothing else will change that. Not extra coaching, additional staff or better players.

  • 11 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    @Novocastrian

    We’ll be lucky to get a point v Liverpool (h) and WHU (a) both are playing well.

    QPR (a) is a massive must win.

    I can see us needing at least a point v Arsenal (h) on the last day. Squeaky bum time.

  • 12 Bambams // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    what’s to say the same thing wont happen again next season, there is no guarantee decent players will want to come to our club without Europe.

    If we do what has been stated and we look at a list of players and dont get the 1st,2nd,3rd….We will again be no better off.

    we have missed a great chance this season, its no good i suppose whinging now we all know it was during the summer we should have strengthened.

    Jan brought some good players and a bit of depth to the squad, my opinion is some of the players (Sissoko, Maps) could be absolutely fantastic with the right coaching set up, but we all know about that and people are split on this blog re the choice of manager.

    I genuinely cannot see Ash sitting back and watching another ten/twelve games next season similar to our last ten/twelve games this season.

    I am not in the know, does Pards pick our players or does Carrsy pick them initially then Pards gives his blessing, is Dennis Wise still texting ash after viewing Youtube! We all know we need to sort out what we have on the pitch already before adding more players that will again disrupt the team, class players will adapt but with Pards style i do not know.

    IMO

  • 13 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    Our best team when all fit IMO

    ———————-Krul———————–

    –Debuchy—-M’biwa—-Collocini—-Haidara–

    ———–Sissoko————-Anita————

    —–HBA———-Cabaye——-Marveaux—-

    ———————Cisse———————–

    Subs: Elliot,Gouffran,Tiote,Santon,Bigi,Perch

  • 14 tunearmy // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    .. and we just have to endure this cautious, dull and uninspired way of playing.

    Our defence has been comical in the past, I think MA took this to heart and is now taking it too far.

  • 15 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    everton do spend money, going from 04/05 season onward (all in £mil)

    10
    28
    19
    29
    22
    20
    1.4
    6
    19

    Thats a good amount of money they spent in that time.

  • 16 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    beattie

    It is ingrained into him, i agree with you there.

    with a more positive, attacking coach/assistant he might change. He is a stats man from what i read and if we can change and he sees all the stats go in our favour he may change.

    I personally agree and don’t think he will, but if new coaches were brought in to help i’d willingly give him time as it shows he would want to change. But crucially he needs to see the problem, or at least accept it if it’s pointed out to him.

  • 17 peaco1980 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Seriously, if a few injuries is preventing us from playing with any fluency, passing or movement then we may as well all give up. Injuries are a fact of life. Yes we knew we were short of players in the summer, but let’s face it Everton seem to manage with a small squad a limited resources year on year. The fact of the matter is management (sports or business) is about using the resources you have available to you to their best potential. If anyone genuinely believes that Pardew is making the most of what he has, then you should think about checking your pulse.

  • 18 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Our best team when all fit IMO

    ———————-Krul———————–

    –Debuchy—-M’biwa—-Collocini—-Haidara–

    ———–Sissoko————-Anita————

    —–HBA———-Cabaye——-Marveaux—-

    ———————Cisse———————–

    Subs: Elliot,Gouffran,Tiote,Santon,Bigi,Perch & Gutierrez.

    The creativity behind Cisse would create more than enough chances. Sissoko adds height, pace and power in the middle of the park alongside the pass master Anita. That side has a great balance and would be more than a match for most PL teams. However we all know Pardew will stick with his love child Gutierrez and Tiote.

  • 19 Mister Tuff // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    I don’t think Percy is the type of character that can change his ways -regardless of other influences. He would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to change anything in his make up. He is what he is.
    Throughout his career he’s always been cocky and arrogant and regularly makes PR gaffes, of which I’ve written about six months ago. There is something clearly wrong at the Toon.

  • 20 Cisse's Big Toe // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    okay, serious question, what spatula said on the last thread lets sell cabaye and build our team around perch?!?!?!?!

  • 21 Ketsbaia9 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Mbiwa’s had an average start for us. He’s made a couple of major mistakes per game. He seems to give the ball away in the danger area too much. He needs to learn from Marveaux on how to do the simple pass. Is he left-footed?

  • 22 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    People are also forgetting the impact the World Cup will have next season!

    If we gone down none of the players will stay.

    If we stay up the top players will wan to shine to try and get a place in next years competition.

    Players won’t be falling over themselves to work under Pardew after this season but brining in a new manager may help attract players and they will then hope to be noticed and break into the international set up.

    The current players may even want to leave to play under better managers to get noticed next season. Why play for nufc and look shit? Bring in a new manager and perhaps they will want to stay and play with better suited tactics.

    In both circumstances regarding player recruitment it is not good keeping Pardew at the helm.

  • 23 lewytoon // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    Big papa cisse

    Steven Taylor??

  • 24 NUFC STEVE // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:06 PM

    If Ashey is going to invest in the summer will he trust pardew to do the best with the players he signs??? Ashely is obviously a great businessman and u wouldn’t invest more into your business if the right man isn’t running it. They might get on well but at the end of the day ashely won’t let pardew keep devaluing his club and making less money for him. It myt be wishful thinking but if ashely thinks there is a better man out there I.e. LAURENT BLANC Ashely will have no hesitation about sacking pardew.

  • 25 spitfire_ // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    Mik and Dec admitted they made a huge mistake last summer but Dec also said that some of the summer transfers was made in January.

  • 26 spitfire_ // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:07 PM

    * next summer transfer.

  • 27 El Sleeve // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    ed, you’re as bad as pardew with the excuses. yes he hasnt exactly had the rub of teh green, but what team gets everything their own way all the time?

    he has to roll with the punches and time fter time we resort to hoof to ameobi and hit and hope football.

    the biggest crime for me, not the lack of pass and move, the defending slender leads, crap subs, excuses, derby loss, more excuses. its that we have absolutely no style of play, everything is random, its left to chance. thats not good enough when ur manager of NUFC.

    he has to go,

    someone take a banner saying PARDEW OUT to the pool game please. also someone take a banner saying HOW CAN 7 CHANGES TO YOUR TEAM MEAN THAT THEY’RE ALL TIRED?

  • 28 lewytoon // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    I decided yesterday that Pardew has lost me, just sick now.

    I’d take moyes as first choice, Laudrup or Martinez as another 2.

  • 29 lewytoon // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    And shola ameobi is the worst striker in the premier league

  • 30 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    Sage

    Which coaches would want to work under him though?

    Top coaches are as hard to find as managers. Bringing in a new manager with a already competent coaching set up is the only way forward.

    We’re not going to be able to head hunt quality coaches to work under a noted arrogant manager who in footballing terms has outdated tactics and mundane ideologies.

    I wouldn’t want to work for him and he doesn’t even have his own coaching set up following him around apart from the goalkeeping coach.

    Saying hire a new coach is a pointless as saying hire a new striker. They may help the issue but they won’t fix it. You have to have the right manager not only to direct the players but to direct the coaches.

  • 31 NUFC_LEAZES END // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    @hatem

    exactly!
    don’t know about yous but I have to put up with mackems at work every day at work, and on top of that, I have about 5 mackem mates from school who love to gloat.

    stressful times

  • 32 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    excuses excuses
    6M Anita can’t get a game in this loon’s system

  • 33 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    I think it is totally unfair that Pardew clearly has favorites in the squad. Anita was our only decent player at the end of last year and beginning of this one when Cabaye was out injured but is dropped like hot sh*t when Tiote or Yohan were fit. Jonas, Obertan (Pardew’s personal signing) Santon and Tiote can all have nightmares and still be given chance after chance.

    Also Gouffran seems to be his favourite player to take off for the donkey that is Shola Ameobi at 60 minutes despite being one of our most likely scorers. And if he plays Sissoko in the hole against Liverpool I will give up. The guy only has 20 goals in 200 appearances FFS. If he is going to play anyone there it should be Marv or HBA. Rant over :)

    Long story short, Pardew is clueless.

  • 34 El Sleeve // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    if i was Cabaye I would be off to Man Utd. He would be a magician for that team.

  • 35 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    el sleev

    exactly there’s no method whatsoever.

  • 36 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    I think we’ll see AC signed early in the window.

    We need another CB, AM and young striker all top quality.

  • 37 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    beattie

    pardew could learn though, not saying he will, but sometimes people do change.

    I think, if the board want him to stay which seems likely, they should try their best to get him a good coach, i’m sure there will be a good one willing to work somewhere, doesnt need to be a big name just good.

    Pardew has said he wants attacking football countless times, actions speak louder than words so i’m not convinced, but there is a small chance he wants this just doesn’t know how to go about it.

    My preference would be to change the lot, coaches and manager, but if they don’t want pardew gone i really hope they want him to get help and at least give him the chance to learn.

  • 38 El Sleeve // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    with the help of beattie’s lists, here’s a bunch of candidates

    zola
    poyet
    blanc
    moyes
    jol
    g neville
    benitez
    martinez
    clement
    bielsa
    di matteo
    solskjaer
    hyypia
    koeman
    do boer
    buva
    mazzari
    karanka

    who would be everyones pick?

  • 39 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    @ lewy

    Forgot about him but he would still be on the bench.

    I like Taylor but we can’t rely on him for a full season. He also gets far to tight to players and is constantly being turned inside out in dangerous areas. M’biwa is more than capable being the physical presence with Colo being the sweeper. We look far more composed with Collocini as he is a ball player and can work passes to the midfield with ease and as long as we don’t play to high of a line he is one of the best CB’s in the league.

  • 40 El Sleeve // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    to me, any one of them is an improvement. ANY

  • 41 MUTINYbyLEMONS // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Back him in the summer and give him till Christmas to impress.

  • 42 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    If we sign Carroll ill lose my mind.

    It would open the door to hoof the ball.

    Bring us a Benteke or a Remy or a pacey striker who can link up with Cisse.

    What would be even better is a creative striker who can cut defences open like Mathias Suarez at Anderlecht.

    I like Carroll but in footballing terms we should be avoiding him.

    I think too many Geordies get caught up in the whole ‘we need a Gerodie lad in the team’.

    No we don’t. We need leaders and quality to add to the team. Carroll would imbalance us even more.

  • 43 lewytoon // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Coloccini is leaving though :(

  • 44 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    I think it says everything that we can call the pattern of play or the result days before the match.We gave up before we kicked a ball v Man city and will always do that with Pardew in charge.Yesterday was a flashback to the Reading game defend a 1-0 and maybe hope to nick a goal from a free kick

  • 45 Novocastrian66 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Sage; how much did they raise from sales over the same period?

  • 46 G // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    I have given AP my support throughout this season, I backed him when he replaced CH, something we were all miffed about, nonetheless, it was done, so I hoped he would achieve something special. I agree now that his appointment has been something of an enigma, with a little bit of Jeckyll and Hyde performances from the squad, who he clearly cannot fathom tactically. I understand that his long contract does have a clause that allows him to be fired without having to cough up 7 years worth of salary as compo, however, he is a gambler who owes MA a lot of money, therefore, MA will not sack the man. I for one would much rather see somebody else in charge of first team affairs next season, by all means keep AP here, in a director of football type capacity, and bring in a continental style head coach rather than manager. For god’s sake though, look at the results MA, and bear in mind, that the ‘we were tired’ excuse doesn’t wash with the fans. Professional sportsmen who cannot recover from a match in 3 or 4 days is a rubbish excuse, when even in my 5th decade of life I can recover from a marathon or triathlon in 2 days. Something has to be done, and the buck stops with AP.

  • 47 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Sage

    Attacking football and quality football are two different things.

    To Pardew hoofing the ball and retaing position up the pitch is attacking football.

    Why should we hire a coach to advise our manager how to do the managers job?

    We need a manager who knows how to do his job.

  • 48 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    @ Beattie

    Exacly. Benteke plays like Carroll on steroids in his first season in the PL for a poor Villa side, but because he isn’t a Geordie (or English for that matter) he isnt the nations darling. People that want us to drop 15 million on Carroll when we could have someone like Benteke need to have a look at themselves.

  • 49 cockneymagpie90 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    @beattie

    Pardew frustrates me and im fed up of giving my opinion of him as iv wanted him gone all season.

    I have to say, u do me favour evertime u post! U speak the truth. Keep it up.

  • 50 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Mutinity

    That could be suicide.

    People like you were saying, back him in jan and see how it is in the Summer.

    Why take a risk that we could be bottom half of the table again and waste another season?!

  • 51 The next Mike Williamson // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    Premiership managers I’d rather have (in order):
    Fergusson, Wenger, Moyes, Laundrup, AVB, Mancini, Martinez, Rodgers, Di Canio, Hughton, Clarke, Adkins, Lambert, Jol, Redknapp, Benitez, Pochetti, Allardyce (just)….this leaves Pulis

    Other managers: Poyet, Clark, Holloway, Dougie Freeman, Zola, O’Neill, Lennon, Rudi Garcia, Blanc, Klinsmann, Van Basten

    Non managers: Bergkamp

    So as long as it’s not Pulis, Souness, George Graham, Steve Bruce or McLaren I’ll be happier

  • 52 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    novo

    the net spend over that time was -12mil…..so only 12 mil they have spent in total.

    So not a huge total, but spurs have spend a similar amount net and done much better.

    That’s just transfer money, doesn’t include tv deals, sponsorship, champs league money etc

    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/everton-fc/transfers-alle/verein_29.html

  • 53 Mister Tuff // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    NEWSFLASH.
    Percy must be here for the long haul -he has been learning French. Check out the video – taken whilst he was on a cycling holiday in France -and he still has an eye for the ladies.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbvq-kZMWIA

  • 54 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    @ Lewy

    No one knows Collo is leaving or not. IMO I think his back injury wasn’t even serious and they let him go back to San Lorenzo to clear his head and figure some things out so that he would stay. I really hope he does because he is the best CB i have ever seen in my short time as an NUFC supporter.

  • 55 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    G

    It has been widely reported that should Pardew get sacked he will be given a payment of 1 years salary.

    The contract was put in place to protect what the owner considered to be an asset. He though teams would be lining up to take Pardew and therefore would have to buy him out of an 8 year deal.

    We won’t have to pay 7 years worth of a contract. No chance.

  • 56 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Cockney

    Ill keep moaning until he is gone or until he proves me wrong.

  • 57 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    beattie

    It’s just an idea and if the club are keen to keep him might as well do everything possible t give him a chance to improve.

  • 58 G // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    @ Beattie, re AP’s contract, thanks for clarifying, wasn’t sure exactly what the terms were, but that sounds about right. Shall we all ring him a taxi when the final whistle goes on the last day of the season? Couple of thousand Blueline / LA taxi’s turning up after the game for Pardew should give MA the hint?

  • 59 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    @ beattie

    There is no doubt there will be clauses on top of clauses in that 8 year contract and one of them probably being potential termination in a bottom 5 finish which he is dangerously close to. Not to mention relegation.

  • 60 tunearmy // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Zinedine Zidane ;)

  • 61 cockneymagpie90 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM

    Hes had all season to prove us wrong. If he some how has a massive change in the way sets his team out and learns from all his mistakes id still want him gone because its taken all season to fcukin realise!!!

    The mans a donut

  • 62 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    Sage

    Everything possible to give him a chance to improve?

    Like a team filled with international players and 5 new signings in January. A 52 000 seater stadium, top quality training facilities and bigger resources than he as ever had.

    He hasn’t improved in the 2 1/2 years he’s been here, he’s hasn’t improved in over a decade of management.

  • 63 beddersmag // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    Big pappe

    What makes you think we can get benteke? We would join a long queue. Difference is carrol would walk here AND hes a geordie who would probably stay for the rest of his career. Lukaku is another great target man but same problem. Imo Andy is the best bet for a target man we might realistically get

  • 64 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    G

    I might ring for an announcement to be put over the tannoy on the last day of the season.

    Taxi for Alan Pardew.

  • 65 dubzy // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    Malky_Mackay
    Gianfranco_Zola
    roberto di matteo
    roberto martinez

    Any order they all play better football and all got a better win % th than the tw*t whos in charge now

  • 66 G // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    I know the rumour has been round a while, but Raffa is a dead cert to not be Chelsea boss next season, and there is a manager I rate.

  • 67 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    “…AND hes a geordie who would probably stay for the rest of his career”

    Right on queue beddersmag makes my point.

  • 68 darrenfletcher88 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    Afternoon guys,dust has settled from yesterday and yes am happy with a point away from home,but my god we could of done with all 3!! Cisse golden touch has let us down in the second half off the season my god that chance yesterday!’ Anyway I hope to god Wigan dont go on a run, as I can’t see us getting out from are last 4 games, I realy can’t, Liverpool and arsenal at home,= 0 so where relying on are poor away form,west ham is winnable but Carroll will haunt us, so it’s a must win against qpr,they will be gone by then so pressures will be off them, surly we’ve got to beat them!! But I just can’t see it, 3points from 4 games is that to much to ask for???

  • 69 G // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    @ post 64, make that announcement that there is a regiment of taxi’s for Alan Pardew!

  • 70 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Interesting how Pardew has sighted injuries and lack of investment as the cause of our downfall this season?

    Have injuries or lack of investment got anything to do with players being able to simply pass the ball, cross the ball or retain possession?
    Or are they to blame for having a static 11 out on the pitch every week? Or are they to blame for Pardew being tactically inept?

    The simple answer is no, Pardew wants a pat on the back and to be lauded when things go well but is never at fault when things suck

  • 71 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    beattie

    my point is that he can’t improve with just better players.

    if he had a coach, showing him new drills, ways to keep the ball etc then maybe he could.

    I would just prefer a new manager but if he is to stay thats the minimum i’d like to see.

  • 72 bettyswallocks // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Lots of momentum gathering now as even the die hard Pardewites are realising we need a better manager.

    None of ua are enjoying watching our team play now, which can t be right with all those talented players in the aquad.

    We have to let the owner and the board know we are sick of Pardews football style and want him replaced.

    We must do it from the terraces, through websites and every other way possible.

    We are the paying customers at the core of this great club and our opinions need to be heard.

    Sounds a bit militant but the worry is that they delay the inevitable and mess up next seasons chance to achieve something.

  • 73 jasper // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    I think he will be gone in June.

    Counter to what many think Ashley is keen on football. He cannot be happy with the rubbish we are serving up.
    I would say to those posters who cannot make it to SJP however poor it appears on TV/stream when you are there it is ten times worse. Even when we beat 10 man Wigan 3-0 we were woeful.

    As pointed out ad nauseam he stubbornly persists with players out of position, he sticks to the same team. The set up so is predictable that some players know that they won’t be dropped and other, skilllful ones fed up with being ignored. This de-motivates all of them.

    As I have said before we do not support the ball carrier so cannot escape a press nor hold onto it. No-one moves towards the ball, no triangles are formed. This is a sign of poor morale, players going missing, just as in 2009.

    Nor do I believe that many of the team are fit enough, we get run all over in the second half all the time.

    I do not believe that he has the confidence of the players, no matter what they say. Actions speak louder than words and it is evident that they do not know what to do as a team.

    The predictability of corners and free kicks at a distance from goal is such that the ground audibly groans when the same ineffective punt at Wills/Taylor is attempted, ineffectually, yet again.

    The failure to get players into an advanced central midfield position is one of the things that is really evident when you can see the whole field. There is no one between the deep lying midfield and the forwards. Whereas our opponents target this zone and pull our shape about all the time. The pass from Cabaye to Cisse on Saturday was a rare exception – but the higher placed teams would expect to be playing passes like that many times every game.

    I used to admire Shola for his hold up play but it has been evident this season that he has now lost even this, but on he comes all the same.

    I cannot see any merits to counterbalance these widespread deficiencies all of which are nothing to do with injuries etc and everything to do with the manager..

    If we are safe on the last day – a big if – I think we should make our feelings known. LOUDLY.

  • 74 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    I posted names of 30 managers in and around 40-50 years old who are better than Pardew statistically, manage arguably smaller or similar sized clubs and who for the most part would be available to take on the managers job.

    As someone said, 20th richest team in the world. I’m sure our grandeur could attract better than this salesman.

  • 75 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    @ bedders

    I said someone like Benteke. And as for Carroll staying the rest of his life ? , You do realize no-one forced him to sign the Liverpool contract, or get in the helicopter, or accept the terms or even leave his house that day. I am not saying I would not like Carroll back as a 3rd choice striker or an impact sub but not for that kind of money no way. 7 million max.

  • 76 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    @transfer
    It’s easy to be a good manager when the team can picks its self.When Pardew has had to do it he has been found wanting.Yesterday Clark made a change at halftime that changed the game and Pardew just did his usual throw Shola on as a counter measure.

  • 77 dubzy // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Pardews win % for us is 37% not even championship standands

    W-43 L-42 D-31 ……..Shocking ! !

  • 78 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    Sage

    Managers are the ones who are meant to think of new drills and implement them. They should be learning, reading, practicing, going on courses and asking for advice.

    He should be asking the players how they trained at former clubs, it’d be the same thing.

    The manager must change. Hiring new coaches may improve fitness but it won’t improve the tactics he uses.

    His in inept and that’s his biggest failing. He won’t chose a first team coaches formation.

  • 79 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    jupp heynckes please. People say we might not be able to attract him but we are the 20th richest club in the world with a squad full of internationals, great stadium, fanbase and it will be a challenge.

  • 80 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    @Beattie25

    Ashley can not be happy with the return since January, all Pardew has given back are excuses. His ability to shift blame and responsibility is staggering.
    Ashley must know that with a better manager in charge the return could be so much more than what it will ever be under Pardew.
    Without a change of manager we can not expect a change in performances or results

  • 81 G // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    I don’t know how much it would cost but that Benfica manager had his team playing fantastic football, Jorge Jesus I think his name was? Every time they had possession, the team formed a 3 man triangle round the ball to protect it, which, should in theory make a team very vulnerable, however, they looked far from it, in fact I would say even though the scoreline was relatively low when you compare it to what City did to us, I would still say Benfica looked like the most dangerous side to visit SJP this season. Lets go for him MA.

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    beattie

    How do you know that? he may well take advice from one. Especially if the coach is appointed and Pardew is told to work with him to improve the quality or find another job.

    It’s not my preferred thing to do, rather get a manager who already knows what to do and get the passing basics in place but if he stays it’s better than doing nothing.

  • 83 french_tooner // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    IF ONLY

    Starting XI.
    ________________________Krul__________________________
    ___Debuchy___Alderweireld______Mapou____Santon_____________________________________Sissoko___________________
    ________Ben Arfa______Cabaye_________De Jong___________
    _________________Carroll_______________________________
    __________________________Remy_______________________

    Subs:
    Kasper Schmeichel
    Mamadou Sakho
    Massadio Haïdara
    Vurnon Anita
    Marveaux
    Goufffran
    Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang

    -Players-
    Out:
    Harper
    Simpson
    Williamson
    Coloccini
    Tiote
    Dan Gosling
    Gabby Obertan
    Conor Newton
    Mehdi Abeid
    Paul Dummett
    James Tavernier
    Cisse

    In:
    Kasper Schmeichel
    Marcos Rocha
    Toby Alderweireld
    Mamadou Sakho
    Siem de Jong
    Loic Remy
    Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
    Andy Carroll

    -Managers-
    Out:
    Pardew

    Possible in:
    Ole Gunnar Solskjær
    Laurent Blanc
    Jürgen Klopp

  • 84 tunearmy // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Zinedine Zidane as an attacking adviser / french liaison / headbut director

  • 85 beddersmag // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Beattier

    Errr what point am i making? Are you suggesting there is no benefit to be had from a core of local players or taking a player who wants to play for you is worse than persuading someone else to sign for you who might not be as keen? If you have two players of equal ability and one is local id take him any day of the week for the additonal motivation and loyalty the routinely demonstrate. Bit like when we had beardsley, howey, watson, clark, elliot, shearer, etc. Many of which played above themselves in a black and white shirt; as did Andy Carrol.

  • 86 french_tooner // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    had no idea it was this hard to comment n set a team out on the blog hats of to the regulars..fml

  • 87 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    JB

    Exactly.

    For me I’m not saying a new manager would come in and by a miracle we’d be top 4 next season. I’m willing to wait for that.

    But can anyone honestly say that what a new manager could do in2-3 seasons Pardew will do I’m the 7 remaining ones he has here.

    We will not grow or improve. Under a new manager we have a better chance of building for a future and having acceptable quality now.

    I’m sick of having a manger who is outwitted every week.

    It’s like having a simpleton of a child doing mastermind. You turn up to support them but you’re so embarrassed when they get showed up.

    Football used to be about turning up and watching 2 teams kick shit out of each other until 1 scored. You would chant, get hammered and not even watch the football.

    Now it’s art, it’s a game of strategy, it’s so interesting to watch. Calculated warfare at its finest and with it fans have had to improve their knowledge to keep up with the style and interpretation of the art. It is a shame that in this modern day of managers being artists akin to Picasso, Van Gough and Monet, we have a cowboy painter who promised to do the living room for 200 bats but now it’s gone up to 300 for tools and labour and its only half finished.

  • 88 beddersmag // Apr 21, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    And if half our team demonstrated the same commitment as our current local lad stephen taylor (not saying ability btw) then we wouldnt be in the situation we are in now

  • 89 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    @Beattie25

    One of the major thing’s that has finished my backing of Pardew is that we have seen our best players become mediocre at best under him i.e. Cabaye and Tiote and the players that are playing well and having an impact i.e Marveuax are left our more than they start.

    We are not a top 4 side, far from it, but we are certainly far better than 16th in the league.

    We are no longer capable of playing for a full 90 mins and we have lost the ability to do the simple things like retain possession, bass and cross the ball

  • 90 Novocastrian66 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    I’d have Lee Clark. Not because he is a Geordie, but because I think he is a top young manager. However he is a Geordie and he knows the club inside and out and this will help him.

  • 91 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    Bedders

    How many local lads do Man U have? City? Arsenal? Chelsea?

    How many of the big 4 from the past 20 years have had a core of local boys?

    You’re living in the 50′s, you and a load of others.

    It’s good to have local pride but not if it takes away from the quality of the football on the pitch.

    I’d rather have a foreign team, manager, owner and majority fan base and see my team win everything going than it be run by locals for locals and have a local core of players that do nothing.

    Face it, the quality of Newcastle born players is at an all time low. Not saying it won’t come back, but the players from the region, and most of England for that matter are rubbish or not good enough to play in these modern day footballing styles.

    But perhaps I can say that, not being a Geordie.

    Most Geordies are accommodating and welcome the fact their club has to reach out and open up to new folk from other areas in order to grow.

    There is a small percentage though that are rooted in bordering far right mentalities of closing off the borders and keeping it only for Newcastle.

  • 92 gl3w // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    In my opinion the root cause of the problem sits with the fact we have a retailer and a gambler running the club, a great scout finding great players and a poor manager. I don’t see a clear vision running through the club where we are finding players to play in a strategy the owner wants. Look at Swansea who went from league 1 to Europe playing the same style, with mostly average players. Their chairman has only brought in managers who play his and the fans vision. They have all added something and look at the success they are having.

    I would love to see us going back to 442 that we had under Robeson and Keegan but most importantly we need everyone pulling in the same direction. Pardew isn’t the man at all, but the owner and director need to be clearer on what they want and show they understand what the fans want.

  • 93 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    I understand that Ashley wants stability at the club, something that I’ve never seen at the club to be honest, but stability with the wrong man in charge is a disaster in waiting. Ashley seems to have realised that he’s make major mistakes in his time as our owner but keeping Pardew at the helm will arguably be his biggest mistake

  • 94 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    City fall apart 2-1 down

  • 95 hugotoon // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    I’ve supported Pardew through this season as my blame was with the board for not making the necessary signings to compete in Europe, which were so obviously needed. However I am now of the opinion that he is not the man to lead the club forward. I was lucky enough to be at the Chelsea match following all of the new signings in January and afterwards I could only see us being in the top half at the end of the season. The fact that there has not been significant improvements can be entirely blamed on Pardews utterly mediocre and predictable tactics. There is clearly an injury issue at the club at the moment, i’m pretty sure that we’ve had the most injuries in the last two seasons, yet even with a near fully fit squad we are somehow way way under performing. How a team with a squad that should be competing for Europe is competing to stay in the league is ridiculous. Cabaye’s recent attitude and underperformance could indicate a lack of faith in the manager just as the majority of the fans have. I think we will stay up but for the team to reach its potential, which is huge, Pardew must leave this summer.

  • 96 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    beattie

    come off it with the far right crap.

    nobody is suggesting anything like that. it’s just you want people from your are to do well. Nobody is saying carroll over falcao or anything stupid, they are saying rather a local boy over a different player of equal talent.

  • 97 toonluvva // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM

    A lot of posters are are asking for a continental style coach to come to assist Pardew.

    How will that work? If Pardew has the final say of team selection and continues to pick is favourites, we all know who they are, if Pardew sets up the formation and decides on substitutions etc, how will a coach help the toon.

    Even if a coach can raise the standard of play, Pardew and his negative tactics will deaden any improvements.

  • 98 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    3-1

  • 99 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Spurs are so good to watch, brilliant side.

    Would love us to have a team like that, 4/5 players from it.

  • 100 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Bringing in a coach to work alongside Pardew is an admission that he’s not up to the job

  • 101 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:12 PM

    @Transfer

    Spurs are the perfect example of what a forward thinking owner who runs the club on a sound financial footing can do. We have the sound financial footing not so sure about the forward thinking bit though ;)

  • 102 DS_NUFC // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    see the difference the way avb changed his tactics and are winning now? pardew is clueless is plan b his hoofball. and spurs are still attacking you dont see them holding back on a 1 goal lead

  • 103 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    toonluvva

    I just think a continental coach is an option. If pardew is to be kept on, very likely in my opinion, then he needs to be given help.

    In my view he should be told this season has been very poor and he needs to not just improve results but style (arguably the style would improve results as it would get the best out of our current group).

    He should be asked what he needs, given a few good players and better coaches. If he still can’t/wont change then he hasn’t got a leg to stand on, not excuses available.

    I’d rather see a different man take charge next year, but if pardew stays then we need some sort of help to give him a final go at it.

  • 104 hugotoon // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    @jack butler Totally agree, if progression comes at the cost of short-term instability. So be it.

  • 105 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    jack

    spurs are good because when they sell a big players they get top money but also invest it right away. They don’t quibble over the 1 or 2 million, they think we need this player now and that extra couple mil is worth it.

    My only criticism of ashley in the transfer market is the timing of his buys. Everything else he does there is spot on.

  • 106 Novocastrian66 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    English football has always pushed the boundaries back in search of talent and to be become more successful. Scotland gave Newcastle a rich vein of talent to choose from in the early 1900′s which remains the most successful period in our history. What is happening now is no different to then, except talent scouts and players can travel anywhere in the world.

  • 107 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Sage

    No they are not. They are saying Carroll over people of better talent because he is a Geordie.

    And there are some out there that think Newcastle should be supported by only Newcastle people.

    If that isn’t bordering far right then what is?

    It’s nothing to do with where your from?

    Steven Taylor passionate? Why cos he cried when we were relegated?

    Was he passionate last week? Did he give an extra 10%?

    PDC was the most passionate man in the stadium, never played for Sunderland and has no ties to them. Adam Johnson, Danny Graham and that ginger one, all supported Newcastle as kids but were fired up for it. Stephane Seesgnon, French born and played better than any local.

    It doesn’t matter where you’re from. It doesn’t add anything or take it away. It’s about passion for your team mates, club and fans. That is something not inherent to locals. It is something preached by the manager and bestowed upon players.

    No matter if there were 11 Geordies on that pitch last week, we’d have been beaten because theypir collection of foreign imports and none locals had more passion and belief.

  • 108 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    @Transfer

    I think he’s changed a lot this past few months, his direct involvement with transfers made a major impact in January, but his managerial appointments leave a lot to be desired. If he gets that right then there’ll be little to argue with

  • 109 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    beattie

    where have people said carroll over a better player just because he is a geordie?

    And local passion and pride is very real. It doesn’t mean that people not from the area aren’t as passionate but on average you will get more passion from a local to the area than a player from abroad.

    Doesn’t mean more effort, but it will be more emotional for the local person who has deep ties to the club, city and people compared to somebody who has been there for only a few months.

    It’s why some players are much better for their national sides as they feel more responsibility and honour.

  • 110 beddersmag // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM

    Cheers transfer sage. Exactly my points. Why dont you ask man utd fans what they think of local lads like the Nevilles or Scholes? What Chelsea fans think of Terry, Arsenal think of wiltshire, liverpool -Gerrard and Carragher? Its an added bonus in loyalty and motivation and if you disagree then fine but personaly I wont value your opinion much going forward as i feel you lack of basic understanding of the game. And trying to insinuate there is some zenophobic or racist undertone to my post is just ridiculous.

  • 111 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    jack

    If there’s one thing Ashley loves it’s money.

    So if he can get a better manager which can get more from less so he doesn’t have to spend a fortune to get good football and winning football you can bet he will look into it and at least consider it.

  • 112 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    Sage

    More passion but less quality.

    What would you rather have??

    People have said Carroll over this player or that since he first pigging left the club. Don’t say you’ve been oblivious to it.

    Fact is there are a few that would rather have Carroll than say PEA because he’s Geordie.

    Well I say that’s bull shit.

    I’d rather have a passionate French man who gives plenty of quality than a decent Geordie who gives plenty of passion.

  • 113 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    bedders

    It’s just common sense isn’t it. It’s like saying people from your family feel no more love and passion for you than somebody you have known for a few weeks.

    The fact is locals aren’t the only passionate ones but the fact their connection with the city is built up from childhood means you have more understanding and feeling for the city than somebody who has only been there for a few months/years.

    Cabaye will feel a lot more for the club now than what he did when he first signed, it’s simply a matter of connecting more with a place over time.

  • 114 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    Have to say after watching the football this season I’m sorry even with a manager change I think top 8 is about realistic the lads just don’t have the same stamina levels or technical ability of some of these teams!
    Can’t see us braking up the likes of citeh utd spuds arsenal chelski Liverpool or even Everton
    Anyone watching the spuds game? Defoe single handed showing the whole cisse doesn’t work because of service arguement to shame, pure quality, Dempsey doing what we need sissoko to be doing and holtby putting cabaye to shame, as for tiote, well spuds just don’t need a tiote plain and simple

  • 115 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    @Transfer

    I’ve said for a while that I think Pardew will be sacked come the summer, Ashley is no fool and he can see with his own eye’s that things are simply not working.
    We have one of the best scouts in the game bringing in top class players for very little money but there’s no return on the pitch and Ashley will want that return make no mistake about that.
    You simply don’t become a self made billionaire without being ruthless or making the right decisions at the right time

  • 116 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    beattie

    From what I have read people would rather have carroll over PEA not just because he is a geordie but because they also think he is a better option in their eyes. I haven’t seen on person who said they want a worse player purely because he is a geordie, it may be part of it but not the only part.

    And i wasn’t discussing quality with you, just saying that passion doesn’t come just because you are local, it comes from a deep connection with a person, place, etc….at that usually takes time to build up. So a local with 30 years in an area will usually have more passion for the place than somebody who moved their 2 months earlier.

  • 117 Newcastle Brown Alien // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM

    Well if Pardew will not be fired, the only option is to get pardew to quit, fans cheer the team as much as possible, but also do the best to show pardew that we hate him, chant the names of possible other managers.

  • 118 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:29 PM

    Bedders

    Not only is your post littered with inaccuracies (Carragher was an Evertonian and the Neville’s supported Bury) you failed to mention what Man upU fans think of Law, Best, Charlton, Ronaldo, Cantona etc….

    What Chelsea fans think of Drogba, Makalele, Zola etc….

    What Liverpool fans think of Rush, Dalgliesh, Barnes, Suarez etc…

    What Arsenal fans think of Henry, Carzola, Viera, Petit etc…

    Absolute rubbish.

  • 119 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    tads

    cisse and defoe are different though. Cisse can do very little for himself, needs the perfect service. It has it’s merits but a player like tevez, suarez, aguero etc who can make things for themselves and others are usually a better option.

    I think we are capable of top 8, very similar to everton i think, liverpool will improve again in the summer, as will all teams above them.

    I don’ mind top 8, fine with me, don’t mind waiting for a few years as long as we move in the right direction.

  • 120 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Sage

    I don’t often say this to you but that is small minded and ignorant.

    I’ve met people that’ve been to Newcastle once that have more pride in the city than the morons who live there and smashed it up last week.

  • 121 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:32 PM

    jack

    No idea what will happen, but what i will say is that last time we lost a manager, houghton, we never saw it coming.

    Ashley is smart enough to know if he leaks anything now the players may well stop playing as the manager will be leaving in the summer so haven’t got to impress him anymore.

    Also if he sacks him now it’s too late to get somebody to make a difference, he has shown enough since jan to avoid relegation i think so ashley probably presumed we would be safe.

  • 122 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    Sage

    You’ve disappointed me. You really have mate.

    Alluding to the fact that Newcastle is like family to you and locals and those not from the region who just work their have less passion.

    That is just really insulting. Passion for a club isn’t a Devine right to Geordies and I remember lots of foreign players playing for our club that had more passion and quality than most locals who’ve played for us.

    Think back over the past 20 years and shut your pie hole.

  • 123 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    beattie

    I don’t see how it is small minded at all.

    Local people feel a pride for the area more than people who are not local. Not all, but on average its true.

    People can show a lot of respect and grattitude for a new area they feel has welcomed them but thats different from a deep love for a place which develops over time.

    I have no doubt people can move to an area and fall in love with it right away, but that love grows over time so people who have been there longer on average will have a greater love for somewhere than people who have only spent a short time there.

  • 124 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

    Passion comes from buying into the City, the people, club and the shirt that you wear.
    Some of the most passionate players I’ve seen didn’t come from Newcastle but they bought into what it meant to represent the club as they realised that everyone in the city would give their right hand for the honour of running out at SJP.

  • 125 coccolini // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM

    Looking at the table and everyones fixtures. 40 will be safe. So in a sense that draw was not too bad a result because 39 is not safe. So we need one win, i think our best bet is liverpool (h) or QPR (a).

  • 126 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    beers

    What the hell has it got to do with being a geordie? Saylor has been absolutely awful the last 5 games and got away with a lot.

    Carrol coming back just = more Pardew hoofball. Enough of that already.

  • 127 Bambams // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:37 PM

    Pards biggest problem is he is not brave enough to have a go at other teams, he may be weak tactically and his motivation may not be very good, but with the players we have (which he must have wanted) we should be making more chances in each game. Cisse is a lone striker starved of service and this is where Pards is just more content on trying to stop the other team rather than cause them problems by us attacking.

    some may remember the Keegan days, we made loads of chances, even Big Les missed his fair share but knew in next 3…4…5 mins another one would come up. Cisse would love this…..

  • 128 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    Sage
    I think if we want to play the style the fans are calling for, then for me cisse is not the player to lead the line, just my opinion but if we want a solo CF we need a better all round player not just someone who’s a good finisher

  • 129 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    @Transfer

    I think Pardew will stay for the remainder of this season as sacking him now would be suicide, but come the summer I think he’s gone and we’d be a massive draw to so many managers out there

  • 130 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    beattie

    one i’m not from newcastle myself so not saying anything like that, please just think through what i have said before insulting me and making such insulting comments as if you know me.

    to explain the family analogy more.

    Most people who have a good relationship with thier family feel a stronger love for them that they do for somebody they see only on a less frequent basis.

    But if you meet somebody, a girlfriend, you become more and more attached over the years and can be even closer to them than your blood relatives.

    So my argument isn’t locals have more passion, just that the passion takes time to develop different with everyone, but in general over time your passion for somewhere increased them more time you spend their or the more you are exposed to it.

  • 131 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    It’s got that bad for me I’d even like to see Benitez come in, wouldn’t be able to watch a press conference or interview with him though as I get an overwhelming urge to slap him :D

  • 132 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    Rotonda
    Taylor’s so called passion has cost is big time over the last 4/5 games, our biggest games of the season tbf
    Won’t be going anywhere fast with him at the back and Carroll up front!

  • 133 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    sage

    You say Carrol over PEA

    very disappointing and short sighted

    So you want an often injured hardly prolific hoof ball magnet over a fantastically skilful goalscorer. Mind you with Pardew it won’t make a difference in how we play.

  • 134 Novocastrian66 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

    Pardew will be here until the end of the season, no doubt. Whether he will survive the end of season review is a matter for conjecture. He was in a position of strength last summer and he wasn’t backed, why would he backed this summer when he has been useless? I think we will know pretty quickly one way or another. If we spend some money early in the window then he will stay.

  • 135 woolerbill // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    If Par dew is our manager next season Ashley will have nailed his colours to the wall. We will at best be a middle of the table, bringing low cost player and selling at a profit. Ashley and boy can fill their pockets, the fans will listen to par dew P.R.

  • 136 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    exactly tads. it annoys me when saylor always smirks after his latest cock up.

  • 137 magpiemover // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    was at game yesteday , and we battered them fo 20 min,
    we scored then same old pardew strikes started sitting deep inviting pressure on to u bad subs again takes off our goal scorer , played players out of position , clueless sick of watching crap football under this clueless tactically inept tool , lump ball football ashley if u read this please sack him b4 its to late , i carnt take much more of this us fans pay good money watching this crap football , we need to be entertained not watching this garbage week in and out

  • 138 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:44 PM

    rotonda

    No i am not saying that at all, i am just saying some people want that and not just because carroll is a geordie but because they think he is a better player..

    I personally haven’t see anything of PEA other than highights which can make anyone look good I think so hard to say my view on how good he is.

    I’d rather somebody the style of PEA than carroll though.

  • 139 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:46 PM

    wooler

    if pards is here next season, I think after 51 years that will e the final straw.

    I watch or used to watch for my entertainment fix of the week. That pleasure for me has been taken away by this dark age oaf of a manager. Rubbish as a player, worse as a manager

  • 140 toon252 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    You’re all retards

  • 141 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Jack butler
    Mate pardew will be here next season, he’s not going anywhere when has Ashley done things the fans call for?

    Rotonda
    He’s royally p1ssed me off the last few games if he keeps his spot ahead of yanga when colo’s back I’ll be seriously p1ssed off

  • 142 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Saylor is the perfect example of passion over talent or brains for that matter.
    Passion counts for nothing if you are not good enough as a player

  • 143 toon252 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    That was aimed at Pro-Pardew crew

  • 144 beddersmag // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    Beattie i never mentioned a thousand teams or players. Of course there are great players from all over but theres a reason fans love a local lad and if you dont get that you never will. And Jackie Milburn was from Ashington not Newcastle so is he not LOCAL? Ffs man. Look i have made my point and transfer sage has too. You can nit pick or imply daft racist undertones all you like but passion counts and having it (from being local, just buying into the culture or being generally passionate) is a tangible benefit which is an advantage over a dispassionate player of equal ability wherever they come. And yes shola may be the exception to this rule.

  • 145 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    sage

    Whenever I’ve seen it discussed a lot of people have said they would like PEA and only Carrol if he was a 7M off the bench option.

  • 146 Novocastrian66 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    Supporters will love great players wherever they’re from it’s as simple as that.

  • 147 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    bedders

    shola and sammi give the lie to your claim

  • 148 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Sage
    In all fairness there have been a couple that have said take him back because he’ll be more loyal this time round and base it purely on that!
    Not a lot though
    Personally wouldn’t touch the lad with a barge pole, he’s an injury prone lamp post who would be useless as we can’t cross and he’s shite with the ball on the floor
    Also think his loyalty would soon be replaced with binge drinking and acting like a reet Nile

  • 149 Jackel001 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    Just watched the Spurs game, AVB seen that it wasn’t working and he changed it, look what happened. Would LOVE a manager like him. After yesterdays second half performance I wouldn’t mind at all if we had a new manager at the start of next season. If I’m a manager and I see that my team will be playing nufc next game, I wouldn’t be worried because if the first plan wont work you can count on the second because you’s know that pards hasn’t got the tactical bone in his brain to change it on his part!

  • 150 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

    tads

    Things changed in January, he’s now far more involved and he’s not blind to how Pardew has failed with the new players in the squad as all we’ve been given back is more excuses. You don’t become a self made billionaire by walking around with your eye’s closed.
    Not saying that we’ll see a Blanc or Jose here but a Poyet, Garcia etc is a real possibility

  • 151 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    rotonda

    I was making a point to beattie that some people want carroll not for rightwing, prejudice reasons of him being local and them not wanting foreign/non-local boys but because they personally think he is better or prefer his style as well, not just for local reasons.

    My view is that i would rather have a striker in the tyle of suarez, tevez, aguero….somebody who can score, create, work hard and generally just be a pest for the whole game.

  • 152 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    tads

    well KK and shearer were popular moves just wrong for different reasons, so maybe there’s hope yet. Wish we had a david dein type chairman instead of Llambias who actually knows football

  • 153 Rotonda heights // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    sage

    would agree with that.

  • 154 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    tads

    I agree on carroll, said all along i don’t want him back. He may be local and show a bit more fight for us than other sides but the fact is he is unprofessional, injury prone and even with him giving his extra 10% for us that would be less effort than other, more professional players will put in.

  • 155 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Rotonda
    I think the KK and shearer saga are exactly why we won’t seem him cave to crowd pressure

    Jack
    Just can’t see it happening and I certainly wouldn’t be happy with poyet or any manager coming from lower league, I know they have to start somewhere but there’s no way I want to see it handed over as an experiment to see if someone could make it

  • 156 Jackel001 // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    And i would give poyet or the benfica manager a go, not saying we could get anyone decent because like pardew said in his first press conference ” I had managers ringing me asking if I had gone mad” maybe we just need to take that we can’t attract top tactical mangers..

  • 157 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Beattie

    When you get on please re-read my posts and responses and see that i am not suggesting non-local people cannot share the same passion.

  • 158 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 3:58 PM

    Sage
    Completely agree and watched Carroll a few times this season, he spends half the game sat his on @rse complaining he hasn’t won a free kick so that they have a free kick for Nolan to punt the ball onto his head, that’s about all he offers tbf

  • 159 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    @tads

    Well I hope I’m right and your wrong as I seriously don’t think that my sanity will take another season of dire football and endless excuses from Pardew.
    But in all honesty I think Poyet would be a better option than Pardew but Rudi Garcia at Lille would be my first choice

  • 160 Mister Tuff // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:02 PM

    sage @116 – I do not think you are correct in saying that there is a preference on the blog for the choice of Carroll over Abameyang. I follow all posts about these two very closely -to the extent of predicting (foolishly?) that he -Carroll will return in the summer for between £10 -£15 million if nobody else buys him -first post about this was about 6 months ago. As for PEA I’ve recently done posts about his dad being his agent and other posts about his crystal boots etc etc.
    So my “impression” (as that is all it it without counting posts) is that no such preference for Carroll is really evident on the blog.

  • 161 nick_9 // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:03 PM

    Passion is all bout the character of the person. Joel Barton, Nolan, cabaye, Rooney and so on all have passion and wear there hearts on their sleeve. One thing I admire is a passionate player even I they are hot headed, nothing wrong with a player showing they care.

    On Pardew I’ve said for ages I want him to change his ways so I can stand by him but I’ve seen no changes and no improvements. If he stays next season and we have another lacklustre season then I want him gone, all for stability but if we give the wrong man time it will waste what talent we have here.

    Has anyone seen any improvements to our shooting, defending, passing or movement this season? They look lacklustre and void of any ideas. We only saw an improvement when we signed five players and even then it didn’t last long. Our answer to a problem is to sign a player, why can’t the coaches have Simpson working on his crosses? Tiote on his shooting and long balls? Etc. Pardew has had plenty of time to get this lot working and he hasn’t. Firstly they needed time to gel, then it was Injuies and Europe and so on. Despite all that they still cannot so the basics and we applaud a couple of passes that other teams do not even acknowledge. Something needs to change

  • 162 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Carrol had his chance and bolted for the door when big money was flashed in front of him so as far as I’m concerned he can sit on the Liverpool bench for the rest of his career counting his money.
    We need a Bellamy type of player (without the shitty attitude) someone with real pace

  • 163 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    mister tuff

    That also wasn’t the point i was making.

    The point i was making is that the people who want carroll want him as they think he is the better option and being local is only part of that, not the full reason they want him.

    I never once said more want carroll than PEA.

  • 164 Jail for Ashley // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:06 PM

    This is a few times now I’ve read on here replace Pards and put him upstairs, Jesus Christ if were going to get shot of him just do it, aren’t people like Franz Beckenbauer, Johan Cruyff and Sir Bobby Robson meant for these kind of roles, not former crazy gang members and window fitters, has our stock fallen so low that we would have Pards in his lofty chair telling Laurent Blanc or Brian Luadrup that Cisse plays better on the right wing make no mistake.

  • 165 ilovetoon8788 // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    Pardew had 5 french internationals since January. And he can’t send out a team that can outplay oppositions far weaker than us. We only did it about twice or thrice this entire season.

    It’s not something that is recent. It’s been evident through the whole of last season. We are so poor it’s unreal.

    Pardew has reached the peak of management. We need a big name to manage our international players. He’s not good enough.

    He’s so tactically inept so of you here can definitely do better than him.

  • 166 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    Jack
    I know what your saying but I don’t want to see a manager bought just because he’s maybe a better option, I want one bought in because he is the best option, the best man to get the most out of our players and the best man to guide the club forward
    I also want to see one or two others follow if pards goes mainly carver and stone from the coaching side and a fair few players with tiote top of the list, if we want a continental style then the “enforcer” position is outdated and gives us a ready made excuse not to work as hard on building play being patient for an opening and retaining possession, atm with tiote it’s seems we’re more like fcuk it bang it in there if we lose the ball tiote’s back there, oh they’ve skipped past him oh it’s a freekick/penalty/goal/red card!

  • 167 beddersmag // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:07 PM

    Rotonda

    Yeah i already said that about ameobi. Its not a lie though. Maybe they are just really bad but very passionate. Never asked for andy back just said he was probably the best target man we might realistically acquire in the prem and he wants to play for us. I see this as a benefit in terms of loyalty and motivation, as would be the case for any local player in any club (or one that has lived there a long time, or just has a passion for tbe project, whatever their ethnicity, age, gender, religion or favourite colour). Of course there are exceptions to every rule, and im talking about averages. And i have just remembered why i dont post on here very often…..

  • 168 nick_9 // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:08 PM

    Bambams – spot on. Pardew is fearsome of losing so he sits on a lead when we get one and invites pressure, as fans of Newcastle I cannot see a negative manager ever being successful here unless we are winning plenty of games.

    The season we got relegated we lost 18 games, this season we have lost 17 and only won away once. We’ve also lost the second highest amount of goals at home not to mention the corner stat always branded about. Despite all this the most annoying aspect is the lack of movement and passing options other than sideways. The final ball is often a hopeless punt in the box, hardly ever on the deck. I don’t know what they work on in training but its either not paying off or it’s not what we want to see.

  • 169 Jail for Ashley // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

    Jack Butler,
    What makes you so sure that Andy Carroll bolted for the door on the offer of quick cash, I think its very harsh that you judge a young guy solely on your opinion.

  • 170 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:10 PM

    bedders

    I agree mate. I am beginning to wonder why I bother. I like sharing views but everything on here ends up getting taken totally out of context to try and score some points.

  • 171 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:11 PM

    @Jail for Ashley

    Well based on the fact that he left his home town club and took 80+ grand a week at Liverpool

  • 172 nick_9 // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Jail – perhaps Carroll wasn’t forced but his dive against us was despicable. Lets see how we acts when we play west ham soon. We’re fans not accountants for the club but price means everything, 17million is far too much

  • 173 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    Tuff
    Not sure what his crystal boots have to do with much, he wore them once then auctioned them for charity(?)
    Also his dad for his agent would surely mean he’s more likely to find a club that’s best for him rather than an agent who’s after the biggest pay check?
    Also Carroll for anywhere between £10-15 mil would be an appealing bit of buisness he’s simply not worth that, people need to forget about his price tag and the fact he’s English, he’s just not worth it, it’s like saying Carlton cole is worth £9-10 mil

  • 174 boater // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    For tactical breakdowns that ring true, not just mindless mob bashing – this site is always worth a read:

    http://www.newcastleunited.us/2013/04/three-points-west-brom-draw-308.html?

  • 175 Jail for Ashley // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    JB,
    You make it sound like he engineered the move and then turned up at Anfield Peter Omginwhigie style.

  • 176 ilovetoon8788 // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:14 PM

    Pardew coaches defending training all the time but our goals conceded this season is one of the highest in the league.

    What a joke.

    We play garbage football. Anyone who thinks we are guaranteed to atleast get a single point from our remaining game must be out of their mind.

    Pardews management ability and garbage football means nothing is guaranteed. We might just go down.

  • 177 Bambams // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    @Nick_9…..

    My thoughts exactly.

    The next problem we may face is players stating they are unhappy with the style of play and our ‘better’ ones asking to move.

    I prey it does not come to that.

  • 178 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    JFA
    Personally don’t care that he was here and left, don’t care for how much, don’t care who forced who to do what
    Just think he’s a poor footballer and suddenly him nodding in a couple of goals doesn’t make him a top CF, if that was the case Murray and holt would have £10 mil price tags on there heads!

  • 179 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:17 PM

    Transfer

    And I wasnt suggesting all Geordies share the same clothes.

    I said a small section have said this an feel this. I’ve met many of them and the first thing they assume is in not a proper fan. There are 1 or 2 that have said they’d rather have Carroll because of his passion than Pea for his talent.

    I’m not saying local passion isnt good but it cannot defne a team at the expense of quality, this was my oringsl point.

    I think passion for your team mates, your profession and in turn your fans is more important in this modern day than a locals pride in the shirt when it comes to players that offer little more in quality.

    I’d rather have a team of Colo’s than a team of Steven Taylors. I’m speaking of a man that has insulted our club but is simply a much better player and gives his all when playing.

  • 180 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    Not saying that at all, just saying that he made his decision to leave us and because of that I don’t want to see him come back and thats not to mention the fact that he’s injury prone and we already have enough of those type of players here and we all know that Pardew will revert to route one football with him in the side.
    For what it would cost to resign him there are far better options out there for us

  • 181 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM

    Ilovetoon
    Is there an article or a statement to back that up? Because that sounds like utter boll0cks they only train for 4 days properly and I doubt they do only on drill over and over for the whole session

  • 182 Bambams // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Fellow Bloggers…..

    The last person we want back up here is A Carroll. If he came back and gets back among the city nightspots he will get in bother AGAIN.

    I heard a ‘bloke in a pub’ state the last time he was in bother, an alleged glassing to a victim the trial could not go ahead, something about the ……. Look lets leave it there! Believe me we dont want him back, he is not the correct mentality for Newcastle and Newcastle United….

    I cant believe he will have grown up that much since he was last here.

  • 183 JackButler // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    I have a 12 hour night shift on offer if anyone wants to do it for me…………………………………………No, well have a good evening lads as I’m off to work

  • 184 Mister Tuff // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    sage -thanks for explaining your post. I think that all fair minded football fans will know who is the better footballer – regardless of where they come from. However -I think getting Carroll back would increase options – but with another striker of the quality of PEA/Remy etc.being a must.

  • 185 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    beattie

    I agree with you there. On players i think you get the one who is best, passion can only go so far.

    I said to tads earlier, carroll giving more for us than he does for west ham would improve him, but his effort would still be lower than that off a player who is professional, doesn’t go on the drink, stays fit etc.

    Hopefully cleared everything up, wouldn’t want you or others thinking i’m a rscist/regionalist (is that a thing)?

  • 186 Novocastrian66 // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:22 PM

    Sage; you’re right. It’s very difficult to have an independent view without someone disagreeing and resorting to insults. Fair enough, people will have different opinions but why feel the need to insult people?

  • 187 Jail for Ashley // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:23 PM

    Tads,
    I thought a lot of him as a footballer and especially his hatrick against Villa, would love to see him signed with Remy in the summer, but to have four strikers in Cisse, Gouff, Carroll and Loic Remy we’d have to be playing CL football to justify a strike force like that.

  • 188 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:25 PM

    tads

    can’t remember where but carver said pardew does the defensive stuff monday-thursday then lets me work n attacking friday.

    Not sure if it said only defending monday-thursday though.

  • 189 beddersmag // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    Transfer

    Aye, i cant be bothered with it personaly although i think sometimes people only read the most recent comments and miss half your points (i do this myself) However, theres always someone to pick you up on something trivial to suit their agenda, while totally miss the point of your post. However logical your argument there will be someone on here who disagrees completely. And the self belief and arrogance of some contributers is astonishing. Thanks for the reasoned and rational debate

  • 190 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM

    novo

    Yeh, I have defended catchy for months, saying he has as much right to post as anyone. I didn’t agree at the time, although i am slowly coming round to some of his views.

    But I just think it’s too easy to take things out of context, whether intentional or even accidental (people not being clear in writing their original post)

  • 191 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    bedders

    I think most is just a misunderstanding or not explaining my own point well enough maybe.

    I’d say 99% people here are good, honest fans who want to talk football, very few on the wind up like a lot of these sites have.

  • 192 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    JFA
    I agree he was a good player for us, but I don’t think he’s that player anymore, would take remy and pea over Carroll/another any day I’m afraid!
    Not sure it matters though we won’t offer the wages west ham will or the first team opportunities

    Sage
    Surely that can’t be right? If it is then the whole set up need to go not just one person, because they all sound gutless

  • 193 Jail for Ashley // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:32 PM

    Transfer,
    I must admit I enjoy Troy Stavers posts when he’s on a wind up.

  • 194 Mister Tuff // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:33 PM

    tads I highlighted bits about PEA’s boots and his dad just to demonstrate my prior interest in him -not a sudden interest to bolster my comments to another poster.
    Unfortunately his dad seems to be touting him all over the place -Roma and Fiorentina come to mind -some I’m not so sure about what the dad is after.
    I suggested a possible range of values for Carroll -but did not say he was worth it. I’ve done a few posts about why I think Carroll may return (granted speculative about the original deal) s we’ll have to wait a few weeks more to see what unfolds.

  • 195 Jail for Ashley // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Tads,
    Where you at with the Pardew debate, , I’ve thrown the towel in pal.

  • 196 Transfer Sage // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:36 PM

    jail

    Aye troy is pretty good….you know its a wind up and it’s funny seeing those who don’t gettin sucked in.

    but it’s harmless fun, nothing over the top usually

  • 197 Ashton // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:42 PM

    Pardew is not good enough for us. Mike Ashley has invested a lot of money into the club and he is an astute businessman so I can’t imagine him sticking with Pardew for long. I don’t think that he would have an escalation of commitment problems regarding the 8 year deal. He is too smart for that to happen, I hope and think he is at least.

    When he say we will aim for a top 10 finish next season it takes away a lot of desire from our best players to stay with us and it will limit our ability to attract quality players in the transfer window. He doesn’t even have to say anything about our goals for next season and he only said that to take some pressure off of himself next season. Which is just selfish and pathetic. It’s embarrassing to have someone like that managing my club, on top of being tactically inept he is also a really stupid person and a donkey.

  • 198 Beattie25 // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Sage

    I disnt insinuate you were bordering right wing but I believe there is a small segment of fans from Newcastle that believe on localism and that it is the only thing that matters. I would ask any fan affiliated with the club to deny that isn’t the case.

    As I said most geordies don’t care but others are so caught up in the city and club being one and the same that any other fans from outside are lesser supporters.

    It’s these minorities that think Carroll should ‘come home’ at all costs and think the club should pay a lot for him because of his passion. It’s the same lot who think we lost because we had no Geordies in the team last week.

    Some of them pop their heads on here every so often and says such things. Mostly it goes unnoticed or ignored but it does exist.

    Beddersmag, whilst not completely ignorant, is an example of how a desire to have a core team of locals blindsides you to the real importance of having real quality, talent and skill.

    Passion doesn’t win games it inspires fans. Talent wins games and inspires fans.

    I would sell Taylor in a heartbeat if it meant getting someone like Sakho. I bet a lot of Geordies wouldn’t. Not all, bit a fair few.

  • 199 padthemag // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:55 PM

    I think the macams go to show that a good manager is just as important as squad quality if we had a manager with his passion and tactical knowledge imagine how it would improve our team with the quality we got. look at how poor there squad is and hes got them fighting tooth and nail and getting results. you just have to look at how they were as players 1 was drab boring and the other was skilful passionate and fiery anyone see the trend they brought to management. id love us to have a manager like that !!!

  • 200 santonthenewmaldini // Apr 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM

    I personally would like us to have a team capable of playing different styles but everyone one of them based on getting goals and bodies into the box Man Utd are probably the best at this they can play silky football but also they can do direct with lots of long balls and crosses into the box people forget Keegan’s and SBR were very direct at times as well we scored a lot of goals with a goal kick and then a flick on to the other striker boom goal our from crosses from the wings

    West Brom done this well they recognized trying to play through us on the deck did not work so they went really direct against us putting a big striker on our left back and then getting Long to chase down the knock downs nearly worked for them

    For this reason I want us to sign Carroll but I also want us to sign us to sign a proper fast striker like Remy/Bellamy/Long/Suarez someone who is a constant pest who does not give defenders any time to relax

    We could go for this in the summer :

    Carroll 10 million
    Remy 5 million
    Weimann 3 million
    Scott Sinclair 5 million
    Sane 5 million
    De Jong 8 million

    If we then sold :

    Colo 2 million
    Tiote 8 million
    Jonas 2 million
    Obertan 1 million
    Gosling 1 million

    This is the type of revamp we need in the squad we stood still in the summer and if we dont properly invest this summer we will be struggling to keep up with even the promoted teams rumours have it Cardiff’s manager has been told he has 30 million to spend so we need to be spending at least the same amount as well as players getting sold as well!!!

    Obviously we wont get all of the above but we need a good combination of players we need pace and strength but we also need players who can score from free kicks and win things in the air as we get lots of set pieces but do nothing with them if we had someone to deliver and score from them its another weapon that we can use against teams who are difficult to break down when the passing game goes wrong

  • 201 tweaked // Apr 21, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    Watching liverpool, Suarez and Sturridge are gonna tear us apart, we will be lucky if it end 3/4-0 at home to them

  • 202 ende // Apr 21, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    4-3-3. I’d like to see the following, with our fullbacks streaking up (Santon might be better here). There’s a lot of interchangeable parts here, mostly at striker. This would show some balls.

    ————————-Krul———————–—

    –Debuchy—-M’biwa—-Collocini—-Haidara–

    ————————Anita—————————

    ————–Cabaye————-Sissoko————

    ————————Marveaux———————

    —————–HBA————-Cisse—————

  • 203 irishtoon999 // Apr 21, 2013 at 8:39 PM

    @200 those signings would be a dream. I fully agree with going for two strikers as that is what we should be trying to do to add depth so as not to strugge just cause we have a run in a cup.. But of course staying up has to be sorted first and that ain’t guaranteed..

  • 204 Laurent Roberts Left Foot // Apr 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    The big mistake was not getting a striker in January, Williamson, Obertan and Gosling have to go. Marveaux is having his first fully fit season and looks to be the real deal. Ashley and Llambias have admitted it was their fault we didnt get players in the summer. Hopefully next season we have a stronger squad and can push for top 6

  • 205 benjohnsen // Apr 22, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    “although we have some very good players right now – if only they were fit.”

    This sentence here sums it up for me this season. Our key players has never really come in top form this season, much prevented by injuries.

    Tiote and Cabaye especially has been poor this season. They were pure class last year, and were a brilliant first line defense against opposition. This year our center midfield has been run over time and time again. Good teams need their center midfield to stop some most of the oppositions attack, if not, they will score eventually. Goal against us tells me more than I want to know.

    When we lost Demba Ba, we didn’t only lose a goal getter, but also a player with the extreme ability to hold on the ball against a whole defense. Cisse is not a type of player to hold the ball up against a defense. He’s a box player and you can’t leave him alone on top. Sadly Ameobi is the only player we have with some of that ability.

    Often bad playing team pick up a lot of injuries, as they put themselves in dangerous situations. Last year the ball was flowing more for, instead of against us. The situation with Haidara is a prime example, his bad touch put him at risk. If he would have controlled that ball, he wouldn’t have been injured (It’s of course not his fault that the horrendous tackle happened, but with better touch he wouldn’t have ended up in that situation).

    Players also seems to be less fit and I suspect Pardew got the pre season all wrong in regards of training. Our center midfield has been changed to often and we haven’t got that momentum that opposition are fearing us for so much last year.

    I personally think with adjustments a new class CF and CB would see us climb a lot next season, even with Pardew as manager. We have had limited playing options this season in regards of tactics and formation.

  • 206 JP...from The Rock // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    lewytoon #29 – No sh*t Sherlock!

    His stats per game must be shocking and an embarassment to all NUFC fans.

  • 207 true toon // Apr 23, 2013 at 2:17 AM

    2 and a half years as manager of nufc . How much more time does he need to prove that he deserve the job?

    I am afraid he is no longer the right person for the job.
    AP OUT




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