We know there are a lot of fans who would like (love) to see Alan Pardew fired, after we were humiliated by Sunderland last Sunday, and after all, some Newcastle fans have just never taken to the man.
Pardew – will be given chance to make Newcastle top six side again
But rather than get into the pros and cons of Alan’s attributes, we think there’s just no chance that Alan Pardew will be leaving the club anytime soon, and that’s based on what his bosses think about the situation and the man.
Mike Ashley and Derek LLambias have (almost) admitted they made a huge mistake last summer, by not increasing the size and quality of the squad for Europe.
And the five Frenchmen we brought in during January almost proves that – and the five lads all started yesterday, so they were all good buys in our opinion – very good buys.
And with the extra 14 games we’ve had in Europe, where the lads are playing on a Sunday following the Thursday game, that’s affected us in the league – definitely.
And then we’ve had all the injuries – and are still having them – poor Ryan Taylor is going to be out for almost two seasons now, Colo’s been out for eight weeks since he did his back in late February, and Ben Arfa has hardly been available, and will only be used as a late substitute in the remaining games.
Tim Krul, Yohan Cabaye and Steven Taylor and others have also been out injured for long periods this season.
And there’s a hint today that Alan Pardew is saying he doesn’t really care where we finish in the league as long as we are not relegated.
And it could well be there will be lots of comings and going in the summer – to rebuild the squad for next season – although we have some very good players right now – if only they were fit.
We’d be very surprised if Mike Ashley doesn’t want Newcastle to finish in the top six next season, and without the European games, and with the basis of the squad we have now – when all fit – we should be a decent bet to do just that.
And of course we’ll have two chances to hammer Sunderland next season, as long as we both stay up – which seems likely.
It’s been a terrible season in the league, an embarrassing league season, no doubt about it, but we’re almost 100% certain we’re reading the tea leaves correctly – that Mike Ashley will want Alan Pardew to do what he did last season – and get us back into the top six next season – and Europe again.
And then we need to ensure our squad is big enough for Europe – and we cannot make the same mistakes again.
That’s what we think is going to happen at Newcastle.
What do you think?
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206 comments so far
G
Apr 21, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Comment #81I don’t know how much it would cost but that Benfica manager had his team playing fantastic football, Jorge Jesus I think his name was? Every time they had possession, the team formed a 3 man triangle round the ball to protect it, which, should in theory make a team very vulnerable, however, they looked far from it, in fact I would say even though the scoreline was relatively low when you compare it to what City did to us, I would still say Benfica looked like the most dangerous side to visit SJP this season. Lets go for him MA.
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Comment #82beattie
How do you know that? he may well take advice from one. Especially if the coach is appointed and Pardew is told to work with him to improve the quality or find another job.
It’s not my preferred thing to do, rather get a manager who already knows what to do and get the passing basics in place but if he stays it’s better than doing nothing.
french_tooner
Apr 21, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Comment #83IF ONLY
Starting XI.
________________________Krul__________________________
___Debuchy___Alderweireld______Mapou____Santon_____________________________________Sissoko___________________
________Ben Arfa______Cabaye_________De Jong___________
_________________Carroll_______________________________
__________________________Remy_______________________
Subs:
Kasper Schmeichel
Mamadou Sakho
Massadio Haïdara
Vurnon Anita
Marveaux
Goufffran
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
-Players-
Out:
Harper
Simpson
Williamson
Coloccini
Tiote
Dan Gosling
Gabby Obertan
Conor Newton
Mehdi Abeid
Paul Dummett
James Tavernier
Cisse
In:
Kasper Schmeichel
Marcos Rocha
Toby Alderweireld
Mamadou Sakho
Siem de Jong
Loic Remy
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang
Andy Carroll
-Managers-
Out:
Pardew
Possible in:
Ole Gunnar Solskjær
Laurent Blanc
Jürgen Klopp
tunearmy
Apr 21, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Comment #84Zinedine Zidane as an attacking adviser / french liaison / headbut director
beddersmag
Apr 21, 2013 at 2:51 PM
Comment #85Beattier
Errr what point am i making? Are you suggesting there is no benefit to be had from a core of local players or taking a player who wants to play for you is worse than persuading someone else to sign for you who might not be as keen? If you have two players of equal ability and one is local id take him any day of the week for the additonal motivation and loyalty the routinely demonstrate. Bit like when we had beardsley, howey, watson, clark, elliot, shearer, etc. Many of which played above themselves in a black and white shirt; as did Andy Carrol.
french_tooner
Apr 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM
Comment #86had no idea it was this hard to comment n set a team out on the blog hats of to the regulars..fml
Beattie25
Apr 21, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Comment #87JB
Exactly.
For me I’m not saying a new manager would come in and by a miracle we’d be top 4 next season. I’m willing to wait for that.
But can anyone honestly say that what a new manager could do in2-3 seasons Pardew will do I’m the 7 remaining ones he has here.
We will not grow or improve. Under a new manager we have a better chance of building for a future and having acceptable quality now.
I’m sick of having a manger who is outwitted every week.
It’s like having a simpleton of a child doing mastermind. You turn up to support them but you’re so embarrassed when they get showed up.
Football used to be about turning up and watching 2 teams kick shit out of each other until 1 scored. You would chant, get hammered and not even watch the football.
Now it’s art, it’s a game of strategy, it’s so interesting to watch. Calculated warfare at its finest and with it fans have had to improve their knowledge to keep up with the style and interpretation of the art. It is a shame that in this modern day of managers being artists akin to Picasso, Van Gough and Monet, we have a cowboy painter who promised to do the living room for 200 bats but now it’s gone up to 300 for tools and labour and its only half finished.
beddersmag
Apr 21, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Comment #88And if half our team demonstrated the same commitment as our current local lad stephen taylor (not saying ability btw) then we wouldnt be in the situation we are in now
JackButler
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:00 PM
Comment #89@Beattie25
One of the major thing’s that has finished my backing of Pardew is that we have seen our best players become mediocre at best under him i.e. Cabaye and Tiote and the players that are playing well and having an impact i.e Marveuax are left our more than they start.
We are not a top 4 side, far from it, but we are certainly far better than 16th in the league.
We are no longer capable of playing for a full 90 mins and we have lost the ability to do the simple things like retain possession, bass and cross the ball
Novocastrian66
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Comment #90I’d have Lee Clark. Not because he is a Geordie, but because I think he is a top young manager. However he is a Geordie and he knows the club inside and out and this will help him.
Beattie25
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Comment #91Bedders
How many local lads do Man U have? City? Arsenal? Chelsea?
How many of the big 4 from the past 20 years have had a core of local boys?
You’re living in the 50’s, you and a load of others.
It’s good to have local pride but not if it takes away from the quality of the football on the pitch.
I’d rather have a foreign team, manager, owner and majority fan base and see my team win everything going than it be run by locals for locals and have a local core of players that do nothing.
Face it, the quality of Newcastle born players is at an all time low. Not saying it won’t come back, but the players from the region, and most of England for that matter are rubbish or not good enough to play in these modern day footballing styles.
But perhaps I can say that, not being a Geordie.
Most Geordies are accommodating and welcome the fact their club has to reach out and open up to new folk from other areas in order to grow.
There is a small percentage though that are rooted in bordering far right mentalities of closing off the borders and keeping it only for Newcastle.
gl3w
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:03 PM
Comment #92In my opinion the root cause of the problem sits with the fact we have a retailer and a gambler running the club, a great scout finding great players and a poor manager. I don’t see a clear vision running through the club where we are finding players to play in a strategy the owner wants. Look at Swansea who went from league 1 to Europe playing the same style, with mostly average players. Their chairman has only brought in managers who play his and the fans vision. They have all added something and look at the success they are having.
I would love to see us going back to 442 that we had under Robeson and Keegan but most importantly we need everyone pulling in the same direction. Pardew isn’t the man at all, but the owner and director need to be clearer on what they want and show they understand what the fans want.
JackButler
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM
Comment #93I understand that Ashley wants stability at the club, something that I’ve never seen at the club to be honest, but stability with the wrong man in charge is a disaster in waiting. Ashley seems to have realised that he’s make major mistakes in his time as our owner but keeping Pardew at the helm will arguably be his biggest mistake
JackButler
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:07 PM
Comment #94City fall apart 2-1 down
hugotoon
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Comment #95I’ve supported Pardew through this season as my blame was with the board for not making the necessary signings to compete in Europe, which were so obviously needed. However I am now of the opinion that he is not the man to lead the club forward. I was lucky enough to be at the Chelsea match following all of the new signings in January and afterwards I could only see us being in the top half at the end of the season. The fact that there has not been significant improvements can be entirely blamed on Pardews utterly mediocre and predictable tactics. There is clearly an injury issue at the club at the moment, i’m pretty sure that we’ve had the most injuries in the last two seasons, yet even with a near fully fit squad we are somehow way way under performing. How a team with a squad that should be competing for Europe is competing to stay in the league is ridiculous. Cabaye’s recent attitude and underperformance could indicate a lack of faith in the manager just as the majority of the fans have. I think we will stay up but for the team to reach its potential, which is huge, Pardew must leave this summer.
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Comment #96beattie
come off it with the far right crap.
nobody is suggesting anything like that. it’s just you want people from your are to do well. Nobody is saying carroll over falcao or anything stupid, they are saying rather a local boy over a different player of equal talent.
toonluvva
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Comment #97A lot of posters are are asking for a continental style coach to come to assist Pardew.
How will that work? If Pardew has the final say of team selection and continues to pick is favourites, we all know who they are, if Pardew sets up the formation and decides on substitutions etc, how will a coach help the toon.
Even if a coach can raise the standard of play, Pardew and his negative tactics will deaden any improvements.
JackButler
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Comment #983-1
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Comment #99Spurs are so good to watch, brilliant side.
Would love us to have a team like that, 4/5 players from it.
JackButler
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Comment #100Bringing in a coach to work alongside Pardew is an admission that he’s not up to the job
JackButler
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:12 PM
Comment #101@Transfer
Spurs are the perfect example of what a forward thinking owner who runs the club on a sound financial footing can do. We have the sound financial footing not so sure about the forward thinking bit though 😉
DS_NUFC
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:13 PM
Comment #102see the difference the way avb changed his tactics and are winning now? pardew is clueless is plan b his hoofball. and spurs are still attacking you dont see them holding back on a 1 goal lead
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:13 PM
Comment #103toonluvva
I just think a continental coach is an option. If pardew is to be kept on, very likely in my opinion, then he needs to be given help.
In my view he should be told this season has been very poor and he needs to not just improve results but style (arguably the style would improve results as it would get the best out of our current group).
He should be asked what he needs, given a few good players and better coaches. If he still can’t/wont change then he hasn’t got a leg to stand on, not excuses available.
I’d rather see a different man take charge next year, but if pardew stays then we need some sort of help to give him a final go at it.
hugotoon
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:13 PM
Comment #104@jack butler Totally agree, if progression comes at the cost of short-term instability. So be it.
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Comment #105jack
spurs are good because when they sell a big players they get top money but also invest it right away. They don’t quibble over the 1 or 2 million, they think we need this player now and that extra couple mil is worth it.
My only criticism of ashley in the transfer market is the timing of his buys. Everything else he does there is spot on.
Novocastrian66
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Comment #106English football has always pushed the boundaries back in search of talent and to be become more successful. Scotland gave Newcastle a rich vein of talent to choose from in the early 1900’s which remains the most successful period in our history. What is happening now is no different to then, except talent scouts and players can travel anywhere in the world.
Beattie25
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Comment #107Sage
No they are not. They are saying Carroll over people of better talent because he is a Geordie.
And there are some out there that think Newcastle should be supported by only Newcastle people.
If that isn’t bordering far right then what is?
It’s nothing to do with where your from?
Steven Taylor passionate? Why cos he cried when we were relegated?
Was he passionate last week? Did he give an extra 10%?
PDC was the most passionate man in the stadium, never played for Sunderland and has no ties to them. Adam Johnson, Danny Graham and that ginger one, all supported Newcastle as kids but were fired up for it. Stephane Seesgnon, French born and played better than any local.
It doesn’t matter where you’re from. It doesn’t add anything or take it away. It’s about passion for your team mates, club and fans. That is something not inherent to locals. It is something preached by the manager and bestowed upon players.
No matter if there were 11 Geordies on that pitch last week, we’d have been beaten because theypir collection of foreign imports and none locals had more passion and belief.
JackButler
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:18 PM
Comment #108@Transfer
I think he’s changed a lot this past few months, his direct involvement with transfers made a major impact in January, but his managerial appointments leave a lot to be desired. If he gets that right then there’ll be little to argue with
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM
Comment #109beattie
where have people said carroll over a better player just because he is a geordie?
And local passion and pride is very real. It doesn’t mean that people not from the area aren’t as passionate but on average you will get more passion from a local to the area than a player from abroad.
Doesn’t mean more effort, but it will be more emotional for the local person who has deep ties to the club, city and people compared to somebody who has been there for only a few months.
It’s why some players are much better for their national sides as they feel more responsibility and honour.
beddersmag
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:20 PM
Comment #110Cheers transfer sage. Exactly my points. Why dont you ask man utd fans what they think of local lads like the Nevilles or Scholes? What Chelsea fans think of Terry, Arsenal think of wiltshire, liverpool -Gerrard and Carragher? Its an added bonus in loyalty and motivation and if you disagree then fine but personaly I wont value your opinion much going forward as i feel you lack of basic understanding of the game. And trying to insinuate there is some zenophobic or racist undertone to my post is just ridiculous.
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Comment #111jack
If there’s one thing Ashley loves it’s money.
So if he can get a better manager which can get more from less so he doesn’t have to spend a fortune to get good football and winning football you can bet he will look into it and at least consider it.
Beattie25
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Comment #112Sage
More passion but less quality.
What would you rather have??
People have said Carroll over this player or that since he first pigging left the club. Don’t say you’ve been oblivious to it.
Fact is there are a few that would rather have Carroll than say PEA because he’s Geordie.
Well I say that’s bull shit.
I’d rather have a passionate French man who gives plenty of quality than a decent Geordie who gives plenty of passion.
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:24 PM
Comment #113bedders
It’s just common sense isn’t it. It’s like saying people from your family feel no more love and passion for you than somebody you have known for a few weeks.
The fact is locals aren’t the only passionate ones but the fact their connection with the city is built up from childhood means you have more understanding and feeling for the city than somebody who has only been there for a few months/years.
Cabaye will feel a lot more for the club now than what he did when he first signed, it’s simply a matter of connecting more with a place over time.
toonarmydownsouth
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Comment #114Have to say after watching the football this season I’m sorry even with a manager change I think top 8 is about realistic the lads just don’t have the same stamina levels or technical ability of some of these teams!
Can’t see us braking up the likes of citeh utd spuds arsenal chelski Liverpool or even Everton
Anyone watching the spuds game? Defoe single handed showing the whole cisse doesn’t work because of service arguement to shame, pure quality, Dempsey doing what we need sissoko to be doing and holtby putting cabaye to shame, as for tiote, well spuds just don’t need a tiote plain and simple
JackButler
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Comment #115@Transfer
I’ve said for a while that I think Pardew will be sacked come the summer, Ashley is no fool and he can see with his own eye’s that things are simply not working.
We have one of the best scouts in the game bringing in top class players for very little money but there’s no return on the pitch and Ashley will want that return make no mistake about that.
You simply don’t become a self made billionaire without being ruthless or making the right decisions at the right time
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:27 PM
Comment #116beattie
From what I have read people would rather have carroll over PEA not just because he is a geordie but because they also think he is a better option in their eyes. I haven’t seen on person who said they want a worse player purely because he is a geordie, it may be part of it but not the only part.
And i wasn’t discussing quality with you, just saying that passion doesn’t come just because you are local, it comes from a deep connection with a person, place, etc….at that usually takes time to build up. So a local with 30 years in an area will usually have more passion for the place than somebody who moved their 2 months earlier.
Newcastle Brown Alien
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Comment #117Well if Pardew will not be fired, the only option is to get pardew to quit, fans cheer the team as much as possible, but also do the best to show pardew that we hate him, chant the names of possible other managers.
Beattie25
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:29 PM
Comment #118Bedders
Not only is your post littered with inaccuracies (Carragher was an Evertonian and the Neville’s supported Bury) you failed to mention what Man upU fans think of Law, Best, Charlton, Ronaldo, Cantona etc….
What Chelsea fans think of Drogba, Makalele, Zola etc….
What Liverpool fans think of Rush, Dalgliesh, Barnes, Suarez etc…
What Arsenal fans think of Henry, Carzola, Viera, Petit etc…
Absolute rubbish.
Transfer Sage
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Comment #119tads
cisse and defoe are different though. Cisse can do very little for himself, needs the perfect service. It has it’s merits but a player like tevez, suarez, aguero etc who can make things for themselves and others are usually a better option.
I think we are capable of top 8, very similar to everton i think, liverpool will improve again in the summer, as will all teams above them.
I don’ mind top 8, fine with me, don’t mind waiting for a few years as long as we move in the right direction.
Beattie25
Apr 21, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Comment #120Sage
I don’t often say this to you but that is small minded and ignorant.
I’ve met people that’ve been to Newcastle once that have more pride in the city than the morons who live there and smashed it up last week.