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Rumor – An Official Saw Suarez Bite – Did Nothing

11:07 am, Monday, April 22nd, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 223 Comments

Steven Taylor has lifted the lid on what happened at the training ground last week, and it looks like everything was so flat, after the humiliation that followed the defeat by Sunderland.

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Steven Taylor – everything was so flat

With the Newcastle fans furious after the defeat last weekend, when our lads showed very little fight in what was the most important game of the season, Steven said the players were subdued last week in training:

“The lads have been hurting all week,” “It was a flat atmosphere. The gaffer’s tried to get the lads going, but it has been difficult.” “There needed to be an improvement. The lads gave a great performance.”

“In the first half, you don’t get that many chances at West Brom very often.” “The second-half performance was a battling performance.”

“They had some big lads, and we coped with it. “We were at it. We caused them problems. They found it difficult to break through us.” “Their fans were getting frustrated.”

The defense did look more solid than usual on Saturday, and now things are all set up for the visit of Liverpool, who we beat 2-0 in the same games last year.

And they will almost certainly be without Luis Suarez, who showed his cannibal tendencies by taking a bite out of Branislav Ivanovic, who weighs a bit less than he did before the bite.

We expect Luis to get his just reward and a ban of at least 7 games and he will miss the game on Saturday – and this player is very high maintenance for Liverpool.

That’s always assuming the English FA have the courage to do it – and yes that’s a definite assumption – after what they did when Massadio Haidara had his career almost ended at Wigan – absolutely nothing because one official saw it and did nothing.

So they cannot referee the game after the event – phew!! – that was close.

But the FA have very little to hide behind this time – but we’ll just have to wait and see – maybe one official saw it and did nothing.

The FA are probably anxiously awaiting the report from the referee, to see what’s available to them this time so they can again do absolutely nothing.

And we’ve heard no excuses coming from Liverpool, like he hadn’t had his Sunday dinner. :D

It’s really tough for the FA when you have to do your job, and make some hard decisions.

Yes – I’m being cynical – but there is too much history of the FA doing nothing in cases like this.

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223 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Catchy,
    I honestly cannot see what persuaded the club to employ Stone as a coach. He is from the area, fine, but he never played for the club, and he was never a talented or skillful player. He was more of a kick it, head down and run after it type. I can undesrstand Carver as he worked in better times with Sir Bobby, and I think it was more to appease the restless natives after Pards appointment. I would keep Carver, as I said much earlier, I’d keep Bramley from the academy, possibly moving him up slightly, and maybe Woodman, but that is mainly to keep his kid at the club.

    I wouldn’t shed too many (1 would be too many) tears over the rest of them.

  • 2 Rainrix // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Well considering the police have contacted ivanovic about it i’d say the FA have no choice other than to ban him really unless they want another PR disaster.

  • 3 roshan MAGPIE // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    with our luck this season I am sure Suarez won’t get any ban and will score a hat trick against us

  • 4 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Good little player Suarez .. if he sucked there probably wouldn’t be such a fuss.

  • 5 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Lilongwe

    has Poyet been given a chance? Doing a cracking job promoted first season, in play-offs this season, plays brilliant football to watch.

    he was a very good premiership player at Chelsea and spurs and international , has great contacts and is well respected. I would say that’s quite a few up on Pardew already.

    Pardew along with most other English mangers has the most UNremarkable CV and low win percentage ever for a near 15 year career.

    Sometimes you have to take a chance a la Pochettino and Laudrup. Losing the fear of ” well Pardew is the devil we know” will go a long way.

  • 6 BigKirky // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Lilongwe, I know what you mean about Cisse not being as much as an ariel threat as Carroll (who is?! :-) similarly to Shearer, but the delivery should still be far better. (I used to play as a winger ;-) Michael Owen got a lot of goals with his head cos he made clever runs, Cisse makes some good runs too.

    But remember, crosses don’t have to be looped in, they can be drilled in at a low trajectory, or across the floor, or cut back to the penalty spot of edge of the box. Milner powers them in across the box for example. A cross isn’t just a high looping punt to the box.

    Jonas isn’t good at any of these as it’s usually a poor delivery and turn over of possession occurs. Pardew should notice those stats, but he doesn’t, he looks negatively and sees it as a positive way to defend, yet we’ve leaked loads of goals.

    Again I like Jonas, but he has to be utilised correctly in my opinion. If being utilised correctly is baby sitting for our left back the majority of the game, then we need a full back who can defend (Haidara has looked good – yet Pardew subbed him???) and either move Santon to left wing where he can attack players more, get a winger you is known for assists and goals, or deal with the situation better where we have emphasis on putting the ball in the back of the net with an effective formation.

  • 7 Goodfella // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    Liverpool should impose their own ban if the FA don’t have the balls to do owt

  • 8 mattyNUFC // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    at first i thought ed had one too many and was on some kinda bender….judging by both the titles’ irrelevancies to the articles and the sheer number of posts…..but then i remembered i’m thirteen hours ahead. all could very well still be possible though.

  • 9 jettson1971 // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Forget the Suarez bite, the major problem at NUFC is how and why can we dominate 1st halfs but yet crumble away to nothing in the 2nd?? What on earth does AP say to players at half time? where is the motivation? Sorry, but AP has gone as far as he can with his management knowledge and style, it is time to move on up a level, we have the quality in the players but AP s tactics and motivation is worryingly lacking. How many points have we now lost from winning positions this season??
    Hughton was sacked as he had went as far as he could in the eyes of DL / MA the same is now true of AP, time for the next level of manager.

  • 10 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Suarez will get his ban, even if this was seen it would fall under the “exceptional circumstances” rule. I see he has told the club to give his club fine to the Hillsborough charity. Surely if he wanted to make a sincere statement he would let the club keep the fine, and match it by donating the same amount again to the charity.

    I do think there is too much hysteria over this, the talk of sacking him, kicking him out of football. etc. He is a nasty bloke, Liverpool knew that when they signed him. Although I think this boy will now have one too many incidents for one of the truly big clubs to go anywhere near him.

    I saw that when he was 15 he headbutted a ref and broke his nose. If you did that in Sunday league in the UK you would be banned from playing for life.

  • 11 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    rotonda

    I agree. There are a group of managers, like bruce, mccarthy, pardew, etc who go around on a loop between prem and championship usually and get sacked then take over from another one.

    I’d like to take a chance on poyet, management basics are the same at all levels, the only issue would be getting respect of bigger players and with poyet’s background no reason he couldn’t.

  • 12 mattyNUFC // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    Lilongwe

    IF- and that’s if- there is a new manager to be installed, I could care less if Carver stays or goes. It’s hard to judge what type of coach he is….obviously he is either a fan of the direct game or his influence over tactics is not that great, seeing as he’s been apart of reigns both high (SBR) and low (AP).

    If a manager like Laudrup came in and deemed him good enough to take the number 2 role, i’d feel comfortable with that. If not, oh well.

  • 13 ErnestHemingway // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Ichrisho

    Fair play for that abstract theory, I can’t see it myself but I like it nonetheless!

    It was once again a game of missed chances. Missed chances create unnecessary pressure. All in all, its a good point away to a team with good home form all season.

    I can’t see anyone other than wigans going down, I really can’t. They don’t have the match winners of previous seasons (nzogbia, Moses) to get them out the shit.

  • 14 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    lilongwe

    I think he will move to man city, madrid, bayern, this summer, one of those will go for him, he’s just too good for his antics, no matter how bad, to stop clubs wanting him.

    Liverpool will use this as a way to soften the backlash from the fans when he gets his move.

  • 15 Hatem's better than Messi // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM

    Gus Poyet would work for me.

    Benitez would be better, I think Ashley and Llambias are horrible bullies and I’m not sure Benitez would take their shite.

  • 16 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Rotonda,
    Again you are using the good player good manager argument. Ferguson was limited as a player. How many caps did Wenger get? Did Mourinho or AVB ever win titles as players? Martinez played in a league 1 Wigan team and people have suggested him as manager.

    Pardew has won numerous promotions. He also won the Johnstone Paint at first try with Southampton, Poyet failed in his only attempt. So who has the better record as a manager?

    None of this is saying I think Pardew is good, but it is pointing out the flaws in your argument for why Poyet is.

  • 17 ichrisho // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM

    Pardew has learned from Fergie how to spolit to game into trying to defend and trying to attack… it sused to be a passionate game of fervour and guile – now Pardew has us tactically confused… he has restricted the players abolities in my book and I think that he needs someone more technical to come in to wotk with him… Carver & Stone need a break me thinks… or to work with the kids…

  • 18 Goodfella // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Sounding more and more like he’ll escape a ban (watching skysports news)

  • 19 ArtyH // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Looks like this game will have its usual bite to it then?

  • 20 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Not just us but 99% of aerial crosses and high balls are headed away by CH’s facing away from their own goal. It’s just playing percentages with very little method

    Statiscally goals are far more frequently scored through cut backs to an onrushing player, through balls to run on to or square passes on the deck in and around the area.

    Only in England do we have this supposed macho mentality to put so much in the air. Win the ball, put it up for another 50/50, repeat.

  • 21 mattyNUFC // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    hatem

    poyet would be another excellent choice

  • 22 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Matty,
    Yeah, if Laudrup came in, I imagine he may well go. However I wasn’t advocating keeping him as number 2. I do think it would help any new manager and staff coming in to have someone there who knows the club, and understands the mentality. This may only be during the transition phase, but none the less, I think he could still have a role.

    Sage,
    Out of those 3, I could only see City actually wanting him, and from what I have seen in the papers they seem to be after Cavani. Aguero will go to Real, I think that has been in the pipeline since he left Atletico, as they have a reported “gentlemans agreement” that they don’t buy star players off each other.

    Bayern, I think will go for Lewandowski, he is a like for like if they do lose Gomez.

  • 23 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Isn’t it sad that we are all praying for Suarez to be suspended so he doesn’t play against us.

    By rights we should be looking forward to him playing and still confident of getting a result.

    We have a small club mentality which has been continuously driven into us since Pardew arrived and I think that’ll be his lasting legacy.

    I’d love to speak to him but the meeting won’t happen. It’s an empty promise to have the fans say ‘what a decent fella’. So many of you give him immediate credit based on a few sentences.

    If any meeting happens it’ll be behind closed doors with a few hand picked fans and his friends at the chronicle and journal will report all positive things.

    The sad thing is is that the usual suspects within the team are spouting his gutter rhetoric. Steven Taylor in the past few weeks has gone from Geordie icon to Pardews mouthpiece and the fans that love his passion lap it up.

    The lad is now becoming a joke to a few fans. Potential gone, he’s just a comedy of errors and a footballer without a brain being manipulated by the club into being the spokesmen of the players.

    The club is going to the dogs fast and without a shadow of a doubt if we get relegated we deserve it. We have been that bad. Nothing to do with injuries or investment but purely on footballing merit we deserve to be where we are and will deserve to be where we finish at the end.

    If the manager, player and a select few of fans can walk away and say the 2nd half was a good performance then we are going nowhere fast.

  • 24 jail4pardew // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Ernie Hem, it is going to be very tight at the end of the season, WIGAN wont give up easy they know what it takes but its a close call I agree, they have Kone and Di Santo who are well capable of delivering when it matters.

    OH and yoan gouffran, lets stop the talk about finishing above the mackems for bragging rites, we have nothing to brag about, just keep us in the division, there should be a gag put on all players opening their mouths at the momen,t are you listening Saylor your gob runs away with you as well. just do it lad!

  • 25 mattyNUFC // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    ichriso

    or, um, perhaps….pardew needs the break, since he’s the one calling the shots?

    ???

  • 26 TorqToon // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Goodfella – Whats the latest mate!?

  • 27 John Tudor // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    if he plays we should refuse to play unless he is muzzled

  • 28 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    rotonda
    The thing is though it’s easier to put the ball in the air and if you have a centre forward good in the air then it can work and be more effective, especially with limited players.

    I do agree cut backs are good, but a hell of a lot of those are cut out as well. I would love to know the exact stats, i don’t think they will be as polar opposite as you suggest, but i do agree with our style of players it would be much more effective keeping more on the ground in the final third.

  • 29 ichrisho // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

    Ernest – thanks – I am glad that I didnt disappoint and be someone who just used a word for no reason… :)

    Pardew is worrying me, he has lost the fans, the players and now the media… he looks tired and frustrated… you see Stone, Carver and that other bafoon Woodman laughing and joking around the pitch… I am absolutely assured that some big stars like Hatem (Who know they all worship him) and Cabaye (Who must be thinking – not all clubs in England are like this are they? Im off back to france) think that Pardew and the “Coaches” are having a laugh… it gets my goat… I understand that you need to have a little fun to ease the pressure but we are in the shit here guys…. seriously in the shit…. wake up and learn how to coach… not scoring in 1000 minutes from a corner is a disgraceful stat…

  • 30 ichrisho // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    @Matty – is he though? Is he… thats the question… and if he is – calling them have taken their toll…. he looks at deaths door..

  • 31 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    beattie

    most clubs would be happy suarez didn’t play against them though, you never want top players playing against you, especially in must win games.

  • 32 mattyNUFC // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    ichrisho

    good point.

    they’re all on 8 year contracts. i’d be laughing too. they probably think they’re all safe no matter what. I know MA has the balls to give AP the sack, I just hope he has the footballing knowledge to know this man can not lead us anywhere.

  • 33 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Kirky,
    I know, baffling bringing Haidara off, I think the way he has started could well facilitate Santon’s departure. There are still rumours we are looking at left backs, so that in itself suggests to me time has run out for Santon and if Milan come knocking it is win win for both the club and player.

    I appreciate what you say about different types of cross, but with the players we have, Marveaux, Cabaye, Sissoko, Hatem, they will all look to thread the ball for Cisse. It isn’t just Jonas. Whether I would start Jonas or not is another matter. I just think he is being used as a scapegoat by a number of fans, and as a stick to beat Pardew with, which in my opinion is unfair on the lad.

  • 34 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Lilongwe

    Numerous promotions ?????????? Really
    It’s 2 (Reading & West Ham) in nearly 15 years, WH via the play-offs

    Plus Charlton relegated – sacked
    Plus West ham virtually relegated – sacked
    Us in 16th now !!!!!

    2 record losing streaks at 2 different clubs

    Pardew is armed with some great players, but produces appallingly negative direct football to watch.

    Poyet’s teams play with style and are a joy to watch and Brighton are a championship team who beat us 2 years running !

    How are Pardew’s credentials better on balance?

    I said Poyet was a Spurs and Chelsea player to illustrate he had experience of the premiership and it wasn’t entirely alien to him.

    Poyet may not be my first choice but compared to the dross we are watching every game I’d take him in a heartbeat.

  • 35 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Beattie,
    Are you telling me you would prefer Suarez to play? Didn’t think so. Regardless of how we play he will cause us problems, so without him we are better off.

  • 36 ichrisho // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Matty – they are all on 8-year contracts??? Oh… really… :( No way… Now I can see why they are having the laugh… Its just unbelievable – everytime on NUFC TV… I just want to see a focussed group of players learning their tactics and training hard for the next match so they can WIN…. not these larks pissing about and Bigi with his tongue out all the time and Ben Arfa looking as if he has a stitch after two yards jogging… Want to know whats wrong with the toon this year? Check out the BS-party time on NUFC TV…

  • 37 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Transfer Sage

    Of course you want to see it. I’ve never heard a fan of the top 4 say ‘I hope he isn’t playing’ they say ‘such and such will keep him out the game’.

    Also your point on target men do you mean to say you want a target man? I’m not sure about the conversation but I was just wondering because you say it’s be easier to put the ball in the air if you have a good header of the ball. Surely having a good header of the ball and it be easier to put the all in the air means we’d be playing even more hoof ball than presently?

    Again not sure of you want a big CF but I like to stick my nose in.

  • 38 TorqToon // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    Ichrisho – If lads decide to leave, I very much doubt that they would head back to France given the New tax rules.

    Interesting piece of news coming out of France (could be mere paper rubbish) but there is lots of talk about Rudi Garcia falling out with the Lille board over the signing of a player in the summer. Not being allowed the funds for him.

    I believe that player to be Remy Cabella of Montpelier.

    Imagine if pards was to leave and be replaced by Garcia. Bring in Cabella, keep hold of debuchy, cabs, French influences and flair.

    If we are to have a management change, he would be my No.1 choice!

  • 39 mattyNUFC // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    ichrisho

    oh i know. I have nufctv. it’s like they spend their days kicking balls at one another, wrestling, slapping and basically just f****** around

    martinez
    clark
    poyet
    laudrup
    anyone
    please

  • 40 TorqToon // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Sage – You got anymore info for us mate? You spoke about a few purples (hate that phrase) coming in and one nearly done?

    Was that right? Apologies if I’m incorrect.

  • 41 Novocastrian66 // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie; I don’t agree with your assessment of Steve Stone’s playing career. He was an excellent player and won 9 England caps. He had a tough time with injuries breaking his leg on a couple of occasions which hindered his career. If he was good enough for Clough, he was good enough.

  • 42 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Lilo

    I would love Suarez to play. He’s a great footballer but it seems as if you lot think ‘thank god he might not be playing because with that 1 individual in the team we’d get beat’.

    We still will get outplayed without him in the team and my point is how cowardly is it to think we couldn’t win with him in the team.

    We have done before.

    Small club mentality with no faith in the players we have. If Pardew was in charge and we were in good form would your opinion change? I think it would because some of you are fickle, the rest who wouldn’t want him to play are cowards and the people like me who would want to see him play are football enthusiasts.

  • 43 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Rotonda,
    So Pardew has a better managerial record, 2 promotions and a trophy to Poyets 1 promotion. Poyet may get a team relegated if he was in the premiership, time may or may not tell. He may get Brighton promoted, but he hasn’t yet and no guarantee he will.

    My points there are not things that he has the potential to do, but what has happened. While he may one day turn out to be a top manager, there is little to suggest it just yet. After a similar length of time as a manager, Pardew was also lauded as a very bright prospect in management.

  • 44 mattyNUFC // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    man, this is pretty scary if you ask me:

    liverpool (h) – L imo (Draw at best)

    west ham (a) – L imo (Draw at best)

    QPR (a) – D imo (Win at best)

    Arsenal (h) – L imo (Draw at best)

    Can we stay up with one more point? Yeah, that’s extremely pessimistic, but i’ve no other evidence to go off of other than our form all year

  • 45 ErnestHemingway // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    jail4pardew

    I really don’t rate Di Santo at all, in fact, I think he i useless! I would say he is over rated, but I don’t know anyone who really rates him. Kone, yes, I admit he is a good player but I don’t think he is capable of going on the run that Moses went on at the end of last season when he almost single handedly won games for Wigan and N’Zogbia put in some inspired performances a few years ago ( I remember a great game vs. Arsenal when he was outstanding). I really don’t think Wigan have the match winners they once did.

    On Suarez….any team would prefer he wasn’t playing against him. He is genuinely world-class. An absolutely amazing player who could play in any team in any country and excel.

    The biting has overshadowed this somewhat….but the pass for Sturridges’ goal was one of the best passes I’ve ever seen. As good as Terry Hibbits’ pass to Supermac versus Burnley in the cup semi-final at Hillsborough.

  • 46 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Matty

    I think 1 point is pretty optimistic considering the season we’ve had.

  • 47 ichrisho // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Aye Matty – We’ll have to put some links up so everyone knows “Why” we are losing games and not getting basic tactics right… this is a professional job not just to be dicking about 4 mornings a week… Oh and the Lille manager would be an excellent choice… he actually knows how to coach footballers not just to prank them and beat them in Table Tennis…

  • 48 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Beattie,
    At what point did I say with him in the team we would get beat? Trying to put words in my mouth there I think.

    Yes he is a very good player, and has the potential to cause any team problems. If we were in form yes, I would still like him to be missing.

    Your point to Sage about top clubs saying such and such would deal with him, well recently Ancelotti said PSG stood a much better chance if Messi was unavailable. What a small club they are.

  • 49 wolfshead@toon // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    pards isnt a total muppet you dont get a team to finish 5th in the prem by sheer luck and the last time we finished that high who was the manager?

  • 50 GeordieCoz // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    ive followed the blog for about a year now but its very rare i comment, but id just like to say on the pardew matter that i like him as a man and every now and then he comes up wih a good plan eg. man u at home last season but in general he cant set a team up properly, make substitutions or use any form of tactics, he loves long ball, i wouldnt mind if it won us games but it doesnt, i strongly believe tat if any of you on here have any ambition for this club you’d agree that pardew as well as many players need to be replaced with better quality, why not try for di matteo?, pardew sets the team up in a 4231 with cisse a loan striker, 4231 works with chelsea who have three very playmaker style attacking midfielders in hazard mata and oscar our equivalent is jonas sissoko ben arfa, ben arfa fair enough but the other two no, our squad doesnt suit that formation because we dont play the way you should with that formation cisse needs help he score 1 in every 10 attempts or something thats not good enough, its time we stopped giving contracts to people because there likeable, we need to get rid of the shola’s and jonas’ yes there nice people but not players, this club needs ambition again if were to go far keeping pardew for another 7 year isnt showing ambition, pardew out

  • 51 ErnestHemingway // Apr 22, 2013 at 11:58 AM

    Beattie

    I don’t get where you are coming from? Any team who play Liverpool wouldn’t want Suarez to play. He is almost unplayable at times. If he wasn’t playing vs. Chelsea, Chelsea would’ve won. Phenomenal player, phenomenally odious character.

  • 52 GeordieCoz // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    wel said ernest

  • 53 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Seriously it can’t just be that wants to see world class players play against us?

    Players come to this league to play against the best, we as fans want to see our team play against the best in order to try and compete and better the stars all around us. We can’t play Reading every week (cos we’d get beat) but take away the looming relegation and thinking of next year, if we were playing Liverpool in a top of the table clash, would nobody want to see Suarez?

    If we had a good manager to take on the tactical ability of Rodgers and M’bwia (who is intelligent enough to take on Suarez when bang in form) was playing well would nobody think we could win, keep Suarez quiet and enjoy his brilliance as a footballer?

    I get called negative but some of you are the most negative people ever. You support Pardew on one hand and have no faith in him or the players on the other. Hypocrites and cowards.

  • 54 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    beattie

    I think a lot of fans of top 4 clubs are happy when good players aren’t up against their teams. Got a few man utd fans as friends and they all are happy when a big player is banned or injured against them.

    They have the view that they’d rather the other teams star not play but they are also confident they can get a result if he does play. So they prefer not to see him but don’t think they need him not to play to win.

    And on the target man, no i don’t, unless he is like benteke who is target man who is also very good on the ground.

    I was just trying to say that if you have limited players then knocking it to the big man is better for you than trying to pass if the players can’t do that. But for us i’d much prefer a pacey, technical forward.

  • 55 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Lilngwe

    Poyet has only been going in management a relatively short time so the story with him is yet to unfold completely and we don’t know if he will be consistently successful but so far so good.. but what more do we need to know about Pardew?

    Pardew has one good to average season in 6 !!
    2 promotions is hardly numerous. 4/5 maybe termed that but his 2 promotions have been balanced with disaster on a regular basis.

  • 56 Jackel001 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:03 PM

    The fact that Liverpool have fined and offered him anger management bascially proves that he should get a game ban!

  • 57 ErnestHemingway // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    I hope Suarez, Lucas, Sturridge, Gerrard and Agger are all injured when we play Liverpool. But not Enrique. I want to see him go in goal again.

  • 58 GeordieCoz // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:04 PM

    not wanting to seem annoying but can anyone see my comments?, just so i know im not wasting my time haha xD

  • 59 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    beattie

    I do enjoy watching good players come to st james’ and watch us try to deal with them, its entertaining.

    But at the same time it’s nice little bonus sometimes to see them not play as it gives us a better chance to win.

  • 60 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Lilo

    I was trying to understand your mentality and now you are talking utter pish with Ancelloti and PSG.

    Your trying to make a point that PSG would rather have Messi out as it improves their chances of winning. Well duh, that’s as obvious as a post match interview with Pardew.

    What I’m saying is is that any half decent fan would want to watch him play and watch his team against them. In the back of your mind you might think, if he isn’t playing we have a better chance of winning, but you should surely want to watch the best players in the world play football.

    You are being short term and thinking of relegation over football. Answer my question about next season. If it was top 6 clash would you not rather see our excellent team take on excellent players?

  • 61 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

    Rotonda,
    Exactly my point, there is no evidence to suggest Poyet will be good. Like I said, Pardew was equally lauded at a similar stage, Adie Boothroyd, Owen Coyle, the list goes on of managers who people thought were the next big thing and it never happens.

  • 62 ichrisho // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    1) Suarez is a rabid little dog – BAN 10 games. Sold to Bayern for 27Million on July 8th.

    2) Last 5 games – we will get 3 points from 3 draws… and the other 2 lose badly.

    3) We stay up by 1 point over Wigan.

    4) Pardew stays and we are 11th by Christmas…

    Whoop Whoop!!!!!
    Peace.

  • 63 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    wolfshead

    you’re not seriously comparing pardew to sbr are you?

    SBR got 3rd, 4th, 5th 3 season running and a good run in Europe without endless whinging and excuses.

    Pardew has had us 12th, 5th, 16th where’s the consistency there?

    Coming 5th was due to a lot of factors like poor old Raylor getting injured and finally forcing Pardew to play Benny in a 433 which worked really well until Pardew in his infinite wisdom ditched it and we’ve been poor ever since.

    On Saturday at the end of the firs half I wrote I hope we keep this going and don’t go defensive second half as per.

    You just know what Pardew is going to do so if we know I’m pretty sure all the other managers do too.

  • 64 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    Beattie,
    Any fan would also want to see their chances of their club winning improve.

    Just like Messi not playing for Barca, Suarez not playing for Liverpool increases our chances, not utter pish in the slightest. In fact, your statement just backed up my point pretty nicely. Thank you.

    It is great to see the best players playing, but in all honesty, I like to watch my team win games as well.

  • 65 ErnestHemingway // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Beattie

    I see your point to some extent. If this was a friendly match or I had never seen Suarez play at St James Park before then I may be inclined to agree with you. But in the midst of a relegation battle, when you would do anything for 3 points, then no Suarez has to be a great thing.

  • 66 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Sage

    Don’t deny it does give us a better chance of winning but it is a defeatist attitude to not want to see the best players and presume that’s the only way we can win.

    If we were confident in the team and manager it wouldn’t matter who was playing for the opposition. The Liverpool team has poor players throughout, they are hardly Barca. It would be nice to see Suarez play but be confident we could still win.

    Too many people are worried about getting beat. That’s the legacy of Pardew. It shouldn’t be about not getting beat, it should be about winning and if Suarez was on the pitch we could still win.

    Maybe it’s premature to have this discussion now as many fans are desperate for points and given our form maybe having Suarez out will help us.

    But in the context of football and the future you guys need to get your head out of the sand and stop hoping that good players don’t play against us. I’d rather they would so we can enjoy and the team can get better.

  • 67 ErnestHemingway // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    And – lest we forget – Big Iron Mike Williamson has Suarez in his back pocket last season at St James Park.

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    Lilongee

    well it certainly hasn’t happened with pardew!! his record is so average he could be England manager. What Poyet has got going for him over Pardew in spades is he is not a smarmy spiv and he plays good football.

  • 69 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    I wasn’t talking in terms of a relegation battle I was talking in terms of footballing spectacle.

    I want to see my team win off the back of their own quality against the best players int he world.

    I don’t want to rely on opponents being injured or suspended as that is not how football should be.

  • 70 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Beattie,
    If good players play against us fine, we find a way to deal with them. If they don’t, we have a better chance of winning.

    I don’t see a defeatist, or small club mentality in that at all. Every club fans and manager will think along the same lines. Particularly in domestic football.

  • 71 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:16 PM

    Rotonda,
    Poyet might not be smarmy, but was open in his support of Suarez in the racism issue, and the most damning point of all, he is very good mates with Dennis Wise.

  • 72 wolfshead@toon // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    @rotonda abs not i guess im in the devil you know camp haha but i think this season was down to ashley not having the nouse to use last season as a platform he prob rested on his laurels thinking ive cracked this football malarkey

  • 73 wolfshead@toon // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    @coz i see you lol

  • 74 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Saurez and Caroll vs Williamson and Perch.

    Was I worried about Suarez? Yes. But I was also confident we could win.

    His first touch and dribbling at full speed was beautiful but the day was even better as we won.

    We were all nervous but confident we could get the result given our form.

  • 75 DokToon // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    gmorning all…

    1) we did get a point this weekend… couldve had 3, but 1 is better than none.

    2) pardew is now named pardon’t.

    3) suarez is now known as mcgruff, the ‘take a bite out of crime’ spokeman…

  • 76 toon22 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    The FA have to do something.
    The Dutch FA did.
    If they don’t they are saying its ok to bite people.
    If an official is saying they saw it but did nothing the FA will have to also deal with the officials as its obviously not ok.

    The cheapest way to quell the disquiet from the crowd is to appoint a new manager,if they stick with AP they will have to persuade him to get some better coaches in at the very least.

  • 77 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Rotonda,
    As I said initially, none of my points are saying how good Pardew is, nor am I saying keeping him is the right thing to do. It is merely pointing out that Poyet has proved nothing., and I don’t see how appointing him is a step in the right direction.

  • 78 mattyNUFC // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    beattie

    hear hear

    we haven’t been entertained bar a six-game streak at the tail end of last season in nearly three years

    i remember when it just seemed like a bad dream when he was appointed. i settled, gave him more than enough time….now we’re just witnessing the nightmare

    dare i say it though that I have trust enough in MA to dispatch him at season’s end?

  • 79 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    beattie

    I don’t think if he plays we lose, i just think that if he doesn’t play we have less chance of losing.

    I don’t mind him playing, it’s good to see our boys go up against him and see if they can match him. But at the same time i think it’s much better if we can get points.

    I’m not desperate for him not to play, just think him not playing is a good bonus and if anything will boost our boys confidence, getting us to play better.

  • 80 Jail for Ashley // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Ashley and his sidekick aimed to take us backwards,where is the logic or sense in that.

  • 81 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Lilo

    Of cousre it’s defeatist. It’s admitting that with them in the team we have a better chance of getting beat.

    I’d like to think we could beat them with or without better players and thus I’d prefer to see them for a footballing spectacle.

    Too many fans like the manager likes to play percentages and a game of chance and having a better chance to win doesn’t mean diddly squat on a match day.

    Better to see a full strength opposition and our team beat them then watch a under strength opposition and our team beat them.

    Many fans will say 3 points is 3 points, but I seem to remember the utter joy of winning when our team beats a top club with great players in the starting 11. That feeling is unparalleled and that is why I prefer to see better players.

    I don’t what to hope all these guys are injured. I’d prefer to see Suarez play and be outdone by our own qualities than feel any relief he isn’t playing.

    I am getting a feeling it is only me. I never knew I was truly the only positive thinker on the blog.

  • 82 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    lilongwe

    I do think if pardew is replaced we need to take a calculated gamble. We need to scout/interview thoroughly and use proper football people to help make decisions too.

    We wont get a mourinho but we need to make sure that if the manager is good, but has little experience that he has all the basics in place to have the chance to succeed, not just be off the back of a lucky season.

  • 83 toon22 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Poyet is a non starter,he is a big gamble we don’t need to take.
    There are managers available who have won things as a player and as a manager,in this and other countries who could be persuaded to take the job.
    When AP was appointed the club was in a very different position to where we are now,MA is starting to look like a decent owner who will give a manager a chance and will back him.
    The team we have is said to have alot of talent that obviously needs different tactics,imo a decent manager would see the potential we have and see the owner might not splash the cash but will back him.

  • 84 wolfshead@toon // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    actually id be happy to have benitez as manager if he raided chelsea and brought in mata and hazard lol
    :-)

  • 85 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:30 PM

    Beattie,
    You have already said that with him in the team we have more chance of losing, so that would make you equally defeatist. It isn’t defeatist to say without him we stand a better chance. I haven’t said we can’t win with him playing. You seem to be trying to put words into my mouth while using my arguments in yours and still arguing with me.

  • 86 toon22 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Rafa is out of a job in the summer.
    Do people think he is a better or worse manager than AP?
    If it was your money he was spending who would you trust with it?

  • 87 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Transfer Sage

    That mentality is a product of the season we’ve had, but as I’m saying I am talking about any other season.

    Surely we shouldn’t be hoping he isn’t playing so we have a better of not losing? Surely we should hope he is playing so that one of the best players in the world can be outplayed by our own team and we can show those opposition fans their player isn’t a god?!

    I’d rather see Ben Arfa take on Suarez and I know Liverpool fans who’d think the same, rather than be relieved Benny isn’t playing or gutted Suarez isn’t playing.

    I’m gutted they both might not play due to their abilities. I’ll submit that in the context of things that my lack of faith in the manager makes the idea of Suarez not playing attractive and I will not demand he plays, but next season or the one after I want our club to compete against the best and not pray they’re injured or suspended.

  • 88 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    toon22

    Rafa is clearly a better manage than pardew, his record suggests it as well as the playing style.

    Rafa is also a bit cautious too and rotates for the sake of it but he has won a la liga with valencia, champs league, prem league runner up with liverpool…he is a good manager.

  • 89 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Sage,
    I agree, if Pardew is to be replaced it need thorough research and properly looked at. In my mind, if we did that, Poyet would be nowhere near the list. That is all I am saying.

    Any change is going to be a gamble, as is not changing. It is up to Ashley to get as much information as possible to make it less of a gamble.

  • 90 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:36 PM

    Lilo

    I would say he has proved something getting promoted season 1 and in the play-offs season 2 at Brighton, but more than anything I just want to see good football with the excellent squad we now have which will just be totally wasted with Pardew’s dinosaur tactics.

    Suarez is the only other Uruguayan to be currently playing here he so there is natural compatriot bond there I suppose. As far as I know he shook off Denis Wise a long time ago.

  • 91 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Lilo

    Your obviously confused.

    I am talking about the spectacle of football. I want to see good football players and good football.

    Having a star player out injured does offer a better chance of winning or not losing but it doesn’t make a massive difference. Suarez is the be all and end all of liverpools hopes and the only chance we have of winning.

    What it comes down to is do I want good footballers to be injured so we have a slightly better chance (despite the unpredictability of football) of winning or do I want the best players in the world to play so I can enjoy football and still have faith that our team can win despite who is playing against us.

  • 92 Goodfella // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Torqtoon
    Liverpool say they will fine him but not impose a ban after Rodgers was talking so highly of the clubs morals. Ajax handed him a two match ban and the Dutch FA gave him seven = eleven and he never played for them again

  • 93 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:38 PM

    sage

    I think rafa has kind of shaken off that defensive image at chelsea. they’re playing some great stuff

  • 94 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    * Suarez is not

  • 95 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Rotonda,
    He isn’t the only Uruguayan, but I do understand your point on that. To do it publicly though isn’t a sensible option though, show support privately. If he has shaken off Wise, fine, but he still hasn’t proved to me he has the necessary credentials. Maybe Paul Lambert if we are looking for someone who has shown those sorts of talents, only won more, and has more promotions.

  • 96 Goodfella // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Sorry = 9 haha

  • 97 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    The Gazette has done an interview with Pardew. Here is what he’s said:

    “All we need to do is get over the line,” Pardew told the Gazette.

    “I don’t care if we finish one from bottom, I really don’t.”

  • 98 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:43 PM

    toon 22

    If we look at rafa’s CV and Pardew’s Cv there really is just no comparison in terms of noticeable achievements. I know Rafa is a bit older but SBR was too and Rafa is in that echelon, maybe even higher than the great man..

    Carr will be in charge of transfers I think as Pardew is now. Rafa or Pardew is a total no brainer and fantastic if Ash pulled it off and we didn’t have to rely on Llambias’ dodgy mates / debtors any more for our managers.

  • 99 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    “If we can get over the line, our fans know that we have a good group of players,” he added.

    “When everybody is fit, and we can get one or two new signings in there, we’re a top-10 team. There’s no doubt about that.”

  • 100 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    I mean as carr is with pardew now

  • 101 BigKirky // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Any managerial change is a big gamble, but so is continuing with a manager who has consistently makes bemusing tactical decisions and substitutions AND isn’t getting results as we slide further down the table.

    It’s a hard one to call, which is why I’m not fully advocating a ‘sacking’ certainly not before the end of the season, but a smoother ‘upgrade’ is tempting, from what what we’ve watched over the last 2 years. (I was told MON knew he was going three games before PDC first game, so anything could, or couldn’t be going on behind the scenes).

    They are obviously the same thing in that the manager is replaced, but with Carr dealing the incomings, the manager can concentrate more on doing his job.

    Pardew doesn’t have to do all the scouting, but is still struggling to get the team to perform. It’s a big worry for me, and I’m sick of the verbal illusions which he puts across in his post match interviews when 95% of the crowd are seeing different things unfolding on the pitch.

  • 102 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Beattie,
    Actually, if you look at Suarez’s contribution to goals and assists he is virtually the be all and end all of Liverpool.

    However, I understand your point about watching good footballers, and it is great. Who didn’t love playing against top players in the Champions League.

    As I said above, if he does play it doesn’t bother me, we have to deal with him. . If he doesn’t then we have a better chance. That isn’t in any way a defeatist attitude as at no time have I said if he plays we lose. It is as close to a fact as you can get without it actually being a fact.

  • 103 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    beattie

    I think even if we were top of the club i’d never be unhappy a teams key man was missing. Sure it’s good to see them but i’d rather just watch our team play well and focus on the good things we do.

    I don’t mind them playing, but in reality the more key players they have out the more chance we have to win. Not a negative view to take, thats just a fact.

  • 104 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:47 PM

    Beattie

    makes you weep doesn’t it, when the only person leaving the building with immediate effect once season is over should be him.

    Sissoko, Cabaye, MBiwa, Debuchy, Ben Arfa,
    Krul, Cisse, Colo, Santon, Marveaux, Anita.

    Absolutely scandalous mismanagement

  • 105 G // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    +1 for the Rafa shout, to be honest though, I would also probably take the risk of Poyet. He certainly does have Brighton punching above their weight. Also seems to be able to attract a player above the calibre of the team. No bad thing in a manager. I just don’t want AP picking the team next season is all.

  • 106 G // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Get Jorge Jesus in. Benfica looked class under him. Lovely passing and movement, lets have a bit of that.

  • 107 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    rotonda

    yeh he does have chelsea playing good stuff, he has at every club. I don’t mind him defending when it needs to be done, and building from a solid defence is totally fine.

    My issue now is the way we defend is not working, we just let players pile into our own half and we can’t stop them.

    I think that defence is as important as attack, barca are so good not just cause they keep the ball, but when they lose it they win it back quickly and high up the pitch.

  • 108 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    “i’d rather just watch our team play well and focus on the good things we do.”

    That’s it in a nutshell. Watching players like Suarez is a bonus.

  • 109 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    sage

    exactly

  • 110 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:55 PM

    beattie

    exactly…but there is a balance to be had. I know this team isn’t the best that we currently have, and certainly don’t play to their best (for whatever reason), so the opponents missing a player is a bonus.

    Suarez has been involved in over 50% of the goals for liverpool so him not playing has a huge impact. They have a much lower win % without him, same as spurs without bale.

  • 111 The next Mike Williamson // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    I’d forgot Pardew took 3-4 months to realise Ben Arfa is better than Obertan/ R,Taylor last season.

    He had his hand forced into playeing attacking football last season with Cisse & Ben Arfa being unstoppable. Luckily he had pre-season to stamp it out and get back to going for draws (that we never quite get).

  • 112 ErnestHemingway // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    I think Suarez is pretty much the be all and end all when it comes to Liverpool. He is the man that makes them tick. Without him, I wouldn’t go as far as saying they are nothing, but they aren’t much cop. Or should that be Kop.

  • 113 G // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    AP’s style takes me back to the ‘glory days’ or Richard Dinis, or Bill McGarry. Awful to watch, no real teeth, tactics optional. We really do need somebody else at the helm. MA has to realise this too.

  • 114 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM

    So anyone else ‘not bothered’ if we finish 4th from bottom?

    Does anyone else think its ambitious to think that with 2 or 3 additions we’ll be a top 10 team?

    Is anyone else confused by this line that always seems to hamper our progress?

  • 115 BigKirky // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    If the vast majority of the crowd are seeing these poor decisions by Pardew being made week in week out, whether it be playing Cabaye too deep, never subbing Jonas, reluctant to play Marveaux (he’s played his best stuff in the centre just behind Cisse, for me), or Anita, going a goal up then trying to defend and losing points, then he has got a real problem with his management style.

    Going one nil up against Reading then changing to defend a lead (Marveaux off then Cabaye – ok he had a knock, but Marveaux should have been left on regardless) at HOME for the last HALF AN HOUR, is unacceptable for me.

    Obviously, we went on to lose that game. 3 points dropped and another 2 on Saturday from simply being negative. 5 points were there for the taking had we continued to be positive. That is just two games.

  • 116 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Does a body think Man Utd will take their foot of the pedal tonight knowing their more or less champs already?

    Also they might want to win the league at Old Trafford against Arsenal.

    I think Villa might get a result tonight.

  • 117 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Eff you autocorrect

  • 118 Wandering Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Anfield to be renamed as The Stadium of Bite and you’ll never starve again…You’ll never starve again

  • 119 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Beattie,
    Given our current form and baffling tactics, if you said to me now you can finish 4th bottom, I would take it to ensure we were still here next season. However, as little as 2 games ago, I was still expecting with the players, and with a few winnable fixtures to be aiming higher than that.

    As for next season, I will wait to see who hasn’t abandoned ship, or in some cases walked the plank. If we kept the same squad and added “3 purples” I would aim higher than 10th, top 6 with 2 good cup runs. We will see who is and isn’t here though, for both playing and backroom staff

  • 120 Goodfella // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Beattie
    Manu play away to arsenal mate

  • 121 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Aiming for fourth bottom with

    Debuchy (French International)
    M’biwa (French International)
    Cabaye (French International)
    Ben Ara (French International)
    Sissoko (French International)

    Krul (Dutch International)
    Anita (Dutch International and can’t get a game over Perch)

    Cisse (Senegalese International)

    Santon (Italian International)

    Collocini (Argentinian International)

    Bravo Pardew Bravo

  • 122 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Lilo

    I’d take bottom 4 but unlike Pardew i am bothered about it.

  • 123 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Goodfella

    That is the reason MannU will win tonight.

    Find it sickening I hope they win.

  • 124 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    Beattie…I expect Ferguson may take it as an opportunity to rest a couple of key players, but the intent to win the title tonight will be there imo.

    On Pardews comments, not inspiring and probably best just to not comment at all, but yes, at this stage we just need to stay up, whether that be 10th or 17th.

    As for next seasons targets, it shouldn’t even be discussed at this stage imo. If he says top 6 he gets laughed at, if he says top 10 it’s not ambitious enough. The only thing I can see him saying that would please the majority is “I don’t know, you’ll have to ask your new manager as quite clearly I’m not up to it, sorry” – which isn’t going to happen, nor would it help at this stage.

  • 125 low fell mag // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    If only the likes of rotanda heights,catchy from sweden,and others put as much effort into supporting this great club than knocking anybody from Ashley to our coaching staff ,the manager and players .Shame on you all.At this time Mr Pardew is our manager,like it or lump it.This Saturday tea time turn up at St james Park and raise the Roof and smash liverpool.

  • 126 Jail for Ashley // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Beattie ,
    I certainly don’t think Mashley is bothered where we finish as long as we stay up a top ten finish only raises expectations and gets the natives restless when there isn’t any money spent.

  • 127 cyprus // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Perch over Tiote? Seriously? What national team does he play for? If Tiote had committed the same pen foul as Perch in the last game, we’d still be hearing about it.

    Last year vs. Liverpool, Tiote and Cisse did the business. Their two ‘Geordie’ lads (Bellamy, Carroll) caused us trouble, this year they’re not playing. Suarex out. We’ll get the much needed point.

    Wigan will not pull off another miracle, going down!

  • 128 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Beattie,
    As am I, but just to stay up and regroup/change in the summer 4th bottom would be fine now.

    As for Man U, I think they want it wrapped up. Even if they let their foot off the peddle, Ferguson IS a winner, and won’t want to not win tonight at home against a poor Villa side.

  • 129 wolfshead@toon // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:14 PM

    again id have benitez if he raided chelsea for mata and hazard haha but what would his incentive be to come to a wee club like ours? :-(

  • 130 jail4pardew // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    Big pappa, exactly internationals galore playing for rop nations as well, give your head a shake AP

  • 131 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    People writing off Liverpool because Suarez likely won’t play for them better not count their chickens to soon. Coutinho and Sturridge are still top quality players for them and are very dangerous.

  • 132 wolfshead@toon // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    @lowfell
    well said remember those names when we finish 4th next season haha ;-)

  • 133 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    Ibiza

    He said top 8 last season and we thought was a sign of regression. People were saying he is just trying to keep expectations down.

    Realistically we shouldn’t be challenge top 4 but with 3 additions it could conceivably propel us to top 6 (there or there abouts). it isn’t ambitious to aim for top 10. That’s accepting anywhere between 14th-8th to me. Why aim for mid table?!

    He doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about. You can try and get into the words and adjust them to make sense but he should just keep quiet.

    What he says to please the majority is ‘we shouldn’t talk about next season until this one is done’

  • 134 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    comment 111

    yes it was going too well, he had to stamp that out quick smart!!!

  • 135 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Beattie…I couldn’t agree more with his “majority” pleasing comment.

    Next seasons targets are something to be discussed once this season is over. Not to protect Pardew or anything like that, it’s simply as we have enough on our hands and any talk about next season is premature before a proper evaluation has taken place.

    Whatever our next step is, we need some time to consolidate and assess.

    Do I think with no EL plus additions over the summer we should be aiming higher than mid-table? I do, but right now that’s not the point imo.

  • 136 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    JFA

    If he wanted us to finish mid table the least he could do is give us something decent to watch.

    It’ll be interesting to see how many season ticket holders say no to renewing them knowing this brand of football will likely be in place next season.

    If Ashley wants to make money and keep us mid table he is trying his best to miss out on those desires by keeping Pardew.

    Maybe Ashley is interested in the immediate financial implications of a fire sale for our talent and a parachute payment.

    I wonder of the total we’d receive for players if relegated and the parachute payment is more or less than the tv money for next season?!

  • 137 wolfshead@toon // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    @beattie
    thats a bit cynical son

  • 138 mindshaft // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    It’s actually depressing watching the Saurez saga unfold, Liverpool fining him in-house, PFA offering him anger management, couple of days he’ll be seen as the victim and the FA won’t b

  • 139 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    It was humorous

  • 140 mindshaft // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM

    **** Breaking News ****

    Suarez is the victim of an unjust society, he has signed up for anger management and already been fined by his club. The FA therefore have decided that retrospective action will only harm the player further and would like to offer him their full support in the coming weeks

  • 141 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    mindshadt…I’d like to say that’s far fetched, but this is the FA we’re talking about.

  • 142 Rotonda heights // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    Low fell mag aka sfb

    Will you ever change the record? Can you ever come up with anything else than these inane and moronic ” I’m more of a supporter than you” claptrap.

    People like you make me sick. You’re just a sheep who just stands by and sees garbage week in and week out and is happy about it.

    During the 90 mins I support as much as anyone maybe more so but take a look at the table this guy has got us 16th after all his excuses and BS, after all the new players etc etc.

    This is my club . We have a great squad being overseen by a total inadequate who should be nowhere near managing us. Talk about narrow minded and pig ignorant you’re like some sort of cliche.

  • 143 toonluvva // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    If we get new coaching staff to help Pardew how will that work.

    As manager he be in charge of selection, more round pegs in square holes.

    He will also dictate tactics, go 1 nil up and then try to get back on level terms.

    He will decide who to substitute and who to bring on.

    Please, can someone show me how a new coaches will help if Pardew stays.

  • 144 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    Low fell mag

    Cock

  • 145 nufcjohn56 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    lilongee,
    with your reasoning sir john hall would never have made kk manager and oporto would never have given the special one a start, sometimes you just have to take a chance in life.
    gus poyet plays entertaining football, he plays it on the ground like sbr used to.he gets his team to attack and gets bodies into the box to support his forwards, their arn’t many brighton fans who come away from the ground even after a 0-0 who say they haven’t been entertained and criticise the manager for inept tactics and substitutions. he tells it as it is but won’t have a go at individual players to the press, he doesn’t hide behind injuries and i don’t care if he is friends with the devil as long as he does his job.

  • 146 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    Does anyone else foresee Pardew spinning the facts at the end of the season and trying to make us feel like we did well to survive relegation given all the injuries, bad luck and the 54 games we’ve played?

    He would shit on your doorstep and tell you why it was a good thing!

  • 147 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Getting bored of the anti Pardew lot on here.

    Every time I come on to talk about something, usually article related, I read a few comments to catch the jist of what everybody’s talking about and just find myself reading through the same rubbish I was reading yesterday.

    Its boring now.

    Pardew will be here next season whether we are relegated or stay up, its just my opinion but I’m almost certain of that. Deal with it. Express you hate him and your ma would do a better job then move on.

    I appear to be in the minority on this blog at the moment that can see clearly a whole season of failings is not purely Alan Pardews fault.

    Just because we brought in an influx of French lads with potential doesnt make us a team that if under a great manager would be looking at a top 5-6 finish this season!

    Demba Ba (still our current top goal scorer) left us mid way through the season! A ridiculous thing to happen but with the clause in his contract, inevitable. Now, Alan Pardew could do nothing about this!

    We played much of the season with Williamson at CB because we simply had nobody else and he is not good enough. Not Pardews fault.

    Injuries, weve been plagued with the whole season.

    Cabaye and Tiote have not replicated how good they were last season… they are playing in the same position as last season!! Pardews fault? No.

    Cisse has missed too many chances. Pardew does not kick the ball for him!! The chances have been there, he hasnt taken enough of them!

    Cabaye and Marveaux can’t take a corner kick. They put a decent ball in very seldom. Does Pardew take corner kicks?

    Tim Krul’s distribution is poor. Pardew taking our goal kicks? Nope.

    Ok.

    Pardew has chosen Jonas several times to be met with groans, this I agree with, he’s unfit and lacks much going forward. Positives he wins many fouls and isnt bad defensively.

    Santon shouldn’t ever play at lb ir rb, hes clearly better attacking than defending, Pardew at fault or is he simply our best option?

    Ok, I’m bored now.

    Pardew sometimes gets it wrong but more often than not so do our players.

    If we are great in the 1st half is it down to Pardew and then if we are terrible second half also down to Pardew or do you just pick and choose what its down to depending what side of the fence you sit on.

    Give Pardew this,

    A full season whereby he doesnt lose his top goalscorer midway through the season, where he doesn’t get an influx of new players new to the premier league midway through the season that he has to gel quickly and where he has a full squad to pick from week in week out or at least one not ravished by injuries like this season… if we give him this what will could he achieve? Well, we already know, just look back to last season.

  • 148 wolfshead@toon // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    a couple of people mentioned poyet now hes suddenly the second coming lol

  • 149 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Poyet no doubt has potential.

    But there are are better managers with more potential and higher levels of success that Gus.

    He’d be a calculated risk but I think there are better at lesser risk available.

    Wouldn’t moan if he was appointed but a little but disappointed if we didn’t try for anyone else.

  • 150 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:41 PM

    Shane

    Here is an idea.

    Shut up!

    Stop moaning by moaning your fcuking self.

    You want to talk about the article, talk about it and stop whining on like nobody will let you.

    If you don’t like what is out don’t read it.

    Simple isn’t it?

  • 151 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    Beattie25

    How do I determine whether I like something that is written before I have even read through it?

    Brilliant.

  • 152 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:46 PM

    Also, why has me expressing my opinion got you so irate…

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM

    shane

    Not much else to talk about, no transfer speculation, we’ve discussed the game and the article. It’s the big topic a lot want to talk, either way whether you like him or not, people want to discuss it.

    And also none of us saw houghton’s sacking, so no reason we would have a clue pardew was going before hand.

  • 154 Mag.no // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    We have the most long balls per game. 70 average!
    That’s three more than the second placed team on the list, Fulham with 67. Stoke has 63 long balls average. They have Berbatov and Crouch, we have Cisse. Something is fundamentally wrong with Pardews views on how to outplay an opponent.

    That alone should get Pardew the sack.

  • 155 wynsleap // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    Big Papa Cisse @121 – That’s spot on.
    Makes you think that Pardew wouldn’t be able to manage, motivate or organise another round of top players coming in in the summer.
    Ashley should look at this season;s performances and realise that the manager and the coaching staff are just not up to the job.
    Have to say I thought Carver would be a good appointment considering his Robson connections but our performances this season makes you think the coaching in general is very limited and outdated.
    We need a complete overhaul for the next campaign. A manager who is highly respected with not only charisma, experience and prestige but who is a forward thinking, progressive, positive and motivational individual who understands tactics. A set of coaches who are bang up to date with the latest training methods and a final end to the bloody sight of Shola getting stripped off again for first team action!
    Go to it Mike or there are going to be some unhappy fans at the end of this campaign.

  • 156 Novocastrian66 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:51 PM

    I can see Wigan beating; WBA, Aston Villa and Swansea. I can see Villa beating Sunderland and drawing against Norwich.
    40 points for Wigan, 38 for Villa. One win will do, but where?

  • 157 southerngeordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM

    Apologies for the easy folks but after the weekends performance, it got me thinking about the importance of stability to a club…

    Stability, it’s the cornerstone to every successful club. Manchester Utd have it, Arsenal have it, Everton and to even some extent Wigan. The common factor is all have had managers in place for over X amount of seasons. Manchester Utd have had championship success, Arsenal continue to qualify for CL, Everton now regularly challenge for top 6 and Wigan continue to defy odds and stay in the division.

    So is the reason these clubs have been successful is down to the fact, they’ve had managers in place to grow and develop their teams? Well if I’m honest yes, and with their achievements it’s hard not to suggest otherwise.

    It’s as a result of this approach that owners now believe that in order to bring success to a club, stability in the manager in needed. But is this always the case? Owen Coyle achieved great things in his first season with Bolton, however in his second they struggled tremendously. The board were at a crossroads and decided to stick with their man believing he was the one to lead them out of danger – he wasn’t and they were relegated. Steve Kean at crisis club Blackburn, as they are now known. The writing was on the wall for everyone to see but the owners believed that there best cause for success came sticking with their man – history will tell otherwise.

    The point I’m trying to make is while stability is all well and good but in order for it to work, you must have the right man in place – while there might be inevitable struggles there needs to be clear identifying points that despite the bad – there are plenty good to build on. If there isn’t then the persistence for stability can have the total opposite effect.

    As a club NUfC has craved stability. X of managers in X years is not a recipe for success, however sticking with a management team that is not taking the club in the right direction is not either.

    Despite the backlash I think it was a good result Saturday. WBA is never an easy place to go to and pick up points and we’ve taken 4 off them this season. However, it is not the result that concerns with me, it is the way and approach we set up with that does – playing players out of position, ineffective subs, and an overly defensive approach suggests to me that this is a club not going in the right direction. On paper this is a good result however, anyone who watched this knew they were there for the taking. Yes we had chances but this doesn’t excuse the setup, which we’ve seen countless times all season.

    All season we’ve been tactically poor. The long ball football we play is not to a standard, which complements our players. The players are playing well below what is expected or capable of, and finally the youth prospects coming through do not look capable of equally prepared to make the step up. While the players do take a huge amount of responsibility for this, so does the management more so.

    Going back to my original point stability is key and while it can bring success it’s imperative that the right personnel are in place to implement it.

  • 158 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:54 PM

    Ok, so can anybody who wants Pardew gone after 2 seasons at our club answer this…

    Why does Pardew not deserve another full season whereby he doesnt lose his top goalscorer midway through the season, where he doesn’t get an influx of new players new to the premier league midway through the season that he has to gel quickly and where he has a full squad to pick from week in week out or at least one not ravished by injuries like this season…

    He had all this last season and we all saw what he did for us then so why not next season?!

  • 159 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    novo

    I think we will beat qpr away and get points off liverpool and west ham, just my view.

  • 160 Jackel001 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM

    Lads check out this, Benfica V Sporting
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2z7_0cLyeU

    Go to 4:10 and look at the build up play and finish. If Newcastle EVER scored a goal like that, i’d die a very very happy man!

  • 161 stuart no9 // Apr 22, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    shane @ 147 — after reading your comment – i begin to wonder why pardew turns up for work. ashly should have just give him a 8 year contract and told him to just stay at home.
    As far as you are concerned pardew is responsible for absolutely NOTHING. hahahahaha. – reading your comment, can you possibly tell me what he IS responsible for ?hahahaha. tell you what, why dont we blame the tea lady for cisse being poor all season, as for not winning many games, could that be the fault of the , erm kit man ? yeah blame the kit man for that one , hahahah.
    Now then as for why so many players have lost form, that must be the secretary s fault that, who else? as you say pardew has really nowt to do with how the team is run. So how about getting rid of him? i mean hes getting paid all that money for nothing , he must be a bit bored going to work and having nothing to do all day. bloody hell mate, its a good job you dont run this country bonny lad! hahahahahahaha.

  • 162 southerngeordie // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Hi Shane, you raise a fair point but my argument for change would be the fact that as a club we have not progressed in one single way this season. I firmly believe that Pardew is not the right man to lead the group of players we currently have forward. I like him as a person and believe he has best interests of the club at heart, however, i can’t point to a single element this season which indicates we’ve made positive strides. As mentioned in most earlier everything from tactics, to the players, to the youth has regressed, and for that reason i believe change is needed.

    We have arguably the most talented squad since the SBR days on our books and what we we’ve served up over the cause of this season is absolute dross. My concern come summer is this is not lost on the players and we’ll lose a number of the supposed purple/ blue chip players we’ve amassed. While i can see them being replaced, it is heartbreaking to watch an obviously talented team serve up such negative football.

  • 163 Novocastrian66 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Sage; hope your right. It’s a big ask for Wigan to win 3 of their last 5 but they do have form for that type of thing.

  • 164 John Tudor // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    all yes should gets some balls

  • 165 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    shane

    Last season was the same as this season. We play a very low percentage game. The majority of our wins or losses are narrow, as in we sit on a 1 goal lead.

    By sitting on a 1 goal lead you invite pressure on yourself, and 1 mistake can cost you points. During last season we were saved by great keeping, countless blocks on the line, etc…this year that hasn’t happened and we have ended up near the bottom.

    I think pardew has shown in some games that this team, full strength or missing a good few can play good football. What hinders them in my view is Pardew himself, he either instructs them to sit back or can’t get them to not sit back when we take the lead.

    Our style we play this and last year doesn’t get the best out of our best players. We sit too deep too often.

    Just my view, but thats what I think.

  • 166 John Tudor // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    yes men

  • 167 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    @ Shane

    For me it because even though last season wast great we still didn’t play very well other than a handful of games and were very lucky at times.

    Let me ask you this question and see if you can say no:

    Should Pardew have done better this season with the quality available even with injuries ?

    Because I think even on our worst day of fielding a first 11 it would still have been better on paper than any other team outside the top 8 yet Pardew has us scrapping for our lives and this is not acceptable no matter how much I enjoyed Europe.

  • 168 Sack Llambias // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Shane
    Fair comment. Llambias messed around after we failed to sign Remy.
    The big mistake was in not suitably replacing Ba. Too many smell blood and just want to blame the manager.

  • 169 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    Stuart no9

    Priceless..

    You read my comment?

    I said Jonas shouldn’t be playing and Santon is out of position. Both Pardews fault.

    Your comment is a pure joke because you are accusing me of doing something I clearly wasnt yet you are!!

    You are putting all the blame on Pardew and not a single piece of blame of any of our players… ludicrous.

  • 170 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    novo

    wigan no longer have players like valencia, moses, rodellaga, n’zogbia who can win games for them.

    have a few still but not enough match winners so i think this will finally be their year to go down.

  • 171 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    IMO Pardew can’t manage anything other than a rigid 4-4-2 with target men i.e. Shola & Ba or Ba & Best, other than that he is clueless.

  • 172 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    we should still be top 10 this season

    the teams we put out at home to west ham, swansea, villa, sunderland and reading should have gotten us more than 1 point. If we had gotten 10, not unrealistic with the sides we had out we would be safely in the top 10.

  • 173 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Big pappa Cisse,

    Agreed, we have under performed this season and Pardew has to shoulder some of the blame.

    His team selection and negative football have backfired on him. He is to blame for this but I find it difficult to understand why nobody has ever seemed to discuss how hard it is for a new bunch of players to come in to a team and get their first taste of the premier league. Yes the quality is there weve seen flashes of it, but the team havent gelled, they havent had enough time time to.

  • 174 Rainrix // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    I dont see wigan turning things around again, they’ve left it too late in the season. 5 games left and they have arsenal spurs swansea west brom and villa to play plus the FA cup final. I dont see them staying up.

  • 175 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Also Cisse was scoring on average a goal every game in a 4-3-3 with

    ——HBA——Cisse——BA——

    and Pardew rewards Cisse for that by sticking him on the wing and playing him as a target man. To quote one of my favourite films

    “This Is Madness” (prize for whoever gets it ;) )

    If I was manager and Cisse wasn’t scoring I would revert back to the formation that got us six wins on the bounce and actually catapulted us into Europe with Papiss breaking records for his scoring feats.

    Would this be t much to ask for

    ——Sissoko——Cabaye——Anita———

    ——HBA———-Cisse——Marveaux—–

  • 176 stuart no9 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    shane @158 — shane it is coming to the end of april- we are looking at going down, if by now you still wonder why pardew has lost a lot of support and why he is taking so much flak, then where have you been all season matey???

  • 177 Rainrix // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    BPC…. 300? :)

    Oh and your line up at the bottom is good and not too much to ask for. Unfortunately pardew is in charge and you’ve left out a crucial component of any pardew team ….. Jonas :)

  • 178 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Cyprus
    Get your eyes checked, Perch’s tackle wasn’t even a free kick let alone a pen
    Tiote needs flogging the second the windows open

    As for poyet give me strength
    Steve Bruce has got hull playing well, be good to see him have a crack with a prem team, oh what’s that? He has? And was shocking?? Wonder if that has anything to do with the huge difference of class between the 2 leagues?

    Bit like how McDermott had reading playing amazing football in the championship, or Adkins, or malky mackay, or near on every other team that gets promoted and sacks there manager, normally within months

    People on here say that pardew is unambitious but then start rattling off championship managers, way to reach for the stars lads canny wait to take a gamble on manager who may or may not make the step up from the fizzy pop……..

  • 179 NUFCarter // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    when watching the abysmal display against sunderland i put all the blame on the players, they had no fight whatsoever, pardew should of kicked them all up the bloody ass at halftime which obvioulsy didnt happen and it never does but to put all the blame on pardew for not motivating the players when they already should be because they are professional players is quite pathetic.

    on the other hand, last week against WBA we had an enjoyable first half compared to other games but i expected a dispirited second half which i put on pardew who must tell them to sit back because how can a game change so much when WBA have a bit of possesion when before they were useless first half. imo they didnt improve much its just because we got worse. I think thats down to pardew and his negative tactics especially when he decides take off cabaye after the game? which i know didnt affect the game but it was a stupid decision.

    Im fed up with pardews pathetic excuses after the game but he does get way to much blame then he deserves most of the time although i do want him out at the start of next season.

  • 180 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Jupp Hyneckkes people :) . He is leaving Bayern and has said he would like to manage in England

  • 181 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    shane

    I full understand pardew has had a difficult season compared to last but as manager you can’t just throw in the towel and try the same thing week in week out, you need to be creative, even if it doesn’t work he has to try something different as the current system is doing very little for us.

    I just think he looks like a rabbit in the headlights and the moment and doesn’t know how to stop it, he seems to make the same mistakes every week.

    The players aren’t helping either, they are messing up even the basic things a lot and making individual mistakes he cannot control.

  • 182 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM

    Shane

    If someone is talking about Pardew in a negative way you stop reading or choose not to read the posts of those who continuously debate such things. It’s not hard is it?

    And as for comment 158, he showed us nothing last season. You’re just someone who looks at tables, stats and figures as a way to make him accountable or excused of all blame.

    It’s not that simple. You actually have to watch a game every now and again and then you’ll see that for 2 1/2 years under Pardew we’ve been rubbish.

    That’s whether we’ve had injuries or not, investment or not and quality or not.

  • 183 John Tudor // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    more eyes opened ,im glad more are seeing the biggar picture with this man in charge we are going backwards

  • 184 aidantoon // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    Who thinks once we are safe and if we are safe Ashley will then sack pardew?
    Personally I would give him the start of next season with decent players coming in and see how it goes.

  • 185 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    I love it.

    People like Shane think that all managers don’t have injuries, extra competitions and investment issues to deal with.

    The manager is paid to deal with all of that.

    The only way Pardew can succeed is if we have no injuries, no extra games, lots of investment and luck on the pitch.

  • 186 Big Pappa Cissé // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    @ rainrix

    Well done. Your prize is in the post :)

  • 187 magpie6699 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Am I the only one who is getting bored with the constant “Pardew Out”. “The man is the worst manager in the whole of the universe including the Klingon Empire” etc.
    1. Whether you like it or not he will be manager at least till the end of the season.
    2. He is no worse than Grim Shoemess, Rude Gullet or JFK – not that they are much recommendation.
    3. He “fluked” us into Europe for the first time in 8 years.
    4. I don’t believe he is responsible for players missing sitters.
    He would never have been my choice when he was appointed but now is not the time to go on and on like a broken record, nit-picking over something whenever he opens his mouth- we have get behind ALL the team and lift their performances to ensure we stay in the EPL.
    People can be so fickle. Di Canio is now the greatest manager because the Mackems have won 2 games – let’s see what happens with time before we judge him As for some on here saying we should have Harry Redknapp! FFS! He had a couple of decent results when he first took over at QPR but how many points have they got with him in charge? He didn’t inherit that bad a squa – Taraabt, SWP etc AND he’s spent a fortune on Remy, Samba etc. Give me a break!
    HWTL!

  • 188 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    tads

    some good managers are in lower leagues though, less than in top leagues obviously but still some good ones.

    I think the way poyet has brighton playing would be a good style for the prem. The reason it doesn’t usually work is because championship managers play a certain style to get out the league but it doesn’t work in the prem. Poyet i think would thrive in the prem.

    But thats just my view, could equalyl do rubbish.

    I wouldn’t mind him but would like us to aim higher.

  • 189 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Magpie

    Seriously people like you are so far up their own arse with their self righteous ‘I support the team’ bull crap that you don’t even see the truth of what people say and do.

    Do you think we complain on here and then go to the match and refuse to support the team?

    Everyone one of us, during those 90 minutes, supports the team.

    However our long term objective is not accept mediocrity but to make this club great again. We think we can do better. We think we deserve better.

    Get down of your high horse of blind following. Support the team but have a bit of ambition man.

  • 190 carl // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    Shane
    Don’t let Beattie bully you into agreeing with him. The majority of the toon army are 100% behind the team and manager. Let’s secure our PL place by getting behind the team next Saturday @ SJP. Pardew can be judged later.

  • 191 John Tudor // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    give him the start of the season and be 9 pts/12pts adrift give your head a good shake

  • 192 mindshaft // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    To be honest I can’t see Wigan surviving this season, however we definitely do need one more win from somewhere

  • 193 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    Carl

    100% behind the team and manager?

    Utter garbage. Go back to running your bubble bath, lighting your scented candles and finding that mixed tape Shane made for you so you 2 can cost up, touching toes in the basin, look longingly into each others eyes and whisper Pardew quotes into each others ears.

  • 194 carl // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Beattie is just a wonderful human being. Always prepared to debate the toon issues of the day in an emotionally controlled way.

  • 195 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Sage
    But that’s the gamble mate, Adkins had Southampton playing amazing football in the fizzy pop, and played and attractive brand in the prem, but it wasn’t efficient it wasn’t getting them the wins they needed, and that’s after spending an absolute fortune!

    Poyet is doing well with Brighton from an outsider point of view, but I know many Albion fans who are saying the same as we are about pardew, that with the money he’s spent they should be doing better and if they don’t get promoted this season then they would be up for a change

    People always talk about the size of our club, the sleeping giant, if poyet is the level were aiming for something is desperately wrong

  • 196 BigKirky // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    Excellent post southerngeordie – 157

    Great points, I agree.

  • 197 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    Carl is just a wonderful human being incapable of having a debate and this resorts to calling better minds bullies. He also is contradictory of himself by saying he is 100 % behind the manager and yet stating Pardew can be judged later.

    If you believe in him 100% why should he be judged.

    And just that sentence ‘lets secure our PL place’ is an indication of Pardews failings. 4 games left and still not safe.

  • 198 carl // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    Shane
    Beattie is not representative of toon fans. He doesn’t even watch the games he’s too busy compiling his Pardew dodgy dossier for the benifit of like minded souls.

  • 199 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    tads

    Agree we should be getting better, but he would improve us i think then we could get improve again in a few years…but i think our target should be better than him, right now anyway.

    I think southampton were improving gradually over the season though, started off poor but just before he was sacked they had a good run, things were getting better.

    I’d rather us go for a manager who is proven, who knows the style he wants and has a good reputation so players would want to work with him.

  • 200 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    How many games you been on Carl?

  • 201 carl // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Beattie
    In an emotionally controlled way! Repeat after me. In an emotionally controlled way. Back to work.

  • 202 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Eh?

  • 203 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Beattie25 is always good for a laugh. I mentioned nothing about games played, tiredness or investment! :/

    If your opinion differs to his God help you.

    Emotionally unstable and lacks any real social skills even on an online blog. Its scary.

    But, back to football… unfortunately I feel you will have no choice what side of the fence you sit on but to see Pardew as manager next season.

  • 204 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Again…Eh?

  • 205 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Who are these mutants?

  • 206 carl // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Beattie
    Delay because I was counting. This season not including pre season games 30 more away than at home. Will be down this season because I know work in London.

  • 207 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    shane

    did you see Houghton getting the sack at the time though? Nothing has come up to suggest pardew is going but then houghton was out of the blue as well.

    I think Ashley likes his money, and if he thinks pardew will cost him more than a different manager to keep his team safe in the top flight and push higher up I have no doubt he will bring in the better man to save himself money.

  • 208 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    I was gutted when Houghton was sacked and definitely did not see it coming.

    I just get the feeling Ashley will stick with Pardew because of the whole stability model. Giving Carr and Pardew and other backroom staff long term contracts says to me Mike Ashley is stabalising the club.

  • 209 toonarmydownsouth // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM

    Sage
    I just think we should aim much higher, we had hughton, went sideways or perhaps slightly higher with pardew so if a change is to be made it needs to be a forward step not one were at most we’d slightly improve

  • 210 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    shane

    I think stabilising the club doesn’t mean the manager though. He wouldn’t have put that 1 year pay out clause in there if he didn’t want to have the option to sack him.

    I think he would replace him if a better manager was available, especially if he thought the manager wasn’t using his money to the best of it’s ability.

    Just my view like, could easily keep him.

  • 211 magpie6699 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Beattie – I am not a “blind” supporter who thinks Pardew is wonderful or whatever. Nor am I, to use your insulting and inappropriate phrase for a discussion blog “up my own arse”. If anyone is on a bloody high hobbyhorse it’s you and all the rest. I come on a blog to read a variety of opinions – not a constant and, as I said, boringly repetitious series of postings saying exactly the same thing over and over and over….
    Since apparently there is only one type of opinion allowed on here, ie Beattie’s, I will not be posting any more.
    See you guys.

  • 212 Transfer Sage // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    tads

    I agree there, poyet might turn out to be great but equally he might not.

    It’s always a gamble but i’d rather go for a safer gamble, somebody who has done it in a few leagues/clubs with a similar set up as a number 1 choice.

  • 213 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Seriously I come on here to debate not babysit.

    Shane and Carl, never speak to me again please I beg you. I want to talk to fans who can offer something interesting to my life but you make me want to elope to North Korea and encourage nuclear war because when you talk I lose all faith in humanity.

    It’s really sad I feel that way but what do you actually offer the world if this is the kind of stuff you offer the blog?

    It really is depressing the future state of mankind.

    Thinkers, talkers and debaters are becoming a thing of the past due to social media. Suddenly everyone has an opinion, everyone has a say on things they have no knowledge of. Everyone is an expert. Everyone is a philosopher. Kids can come on and talk utter rubbish and ruin intelligent discussions.

    Soon we will be a world of uneducated guessers pretending to know what they’re talking about making decisions of great importance.

    I’m not a great thinker, a wonderful mind or an incredibly educated man myself but I do know football and what I see week in and week out isn’t good enough. Now if you have an opinion on why it is, great, lets have a debate. Let it get colourful and angry and explosive, but lets be 2 good minds fighting for what they believe in. Not like these 2 fools Shane and Carl who are obviously lacking in any credibility regarding what they have to say.

    In the times of Ancient Greece great thinkers would get together and discuss how to improve humanity and take us forward.

    If they invited stupid peasants to the debate it would have set humanity back a thousand years. Know your place Shane and Carl. Stick to having an opinion which is your god given right but do not try and play intelligence with greater minds than your own.

    Let us do the talking and have your say but don’t try and demonise people who have a well formed opinion and a great passion for that opinion to be heard.

    People will ridicule me saying ‘everyone’s untitled to have their say’ that’s true, but only the things that deserved to be heard should be said.

  • 214 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    Magpie

    Thanks for coming

    Shane

    How many times in all the games you’ve imagined you’ve been to would you say we played good over 90 minutes?

  • 215 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    This Is where I will be shot down for backing Pardew and saying give him another season but then saying…

    If there is a genuinely successful, proven manager out there who would come to Newcastle United this summer, I would take him. Otherwise its really just a gamble or 1 step sideways to bring in any old different manager.

    The question then is, what managers are available and who does Mike Ashley think is a step up…

    I’d thank Pardew and send him on his way for Benitez who we know is available.

  • 216 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    * untitled = entitled

  • 217 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    That was aimed at Carl also not Shane!

    But same applies to Shane, how many good games have you seen?

  • 218 mot7 // Apr 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    I have generaly stuck up for pardew and feel he has been unlucky with the players he has missing for large parts of the season.
    What i cant understand is the lack of imagination in our set pieces and the fact he sold the likes of nolan because he wanted to change our style of football .
    On the very rare occasion we have played some decent stuff it seems to be more off the cuff that any structued play pardew has coached

  • 219 Beattie25 // Apr 22, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Shane

    Why go all out on people who want to see Pardew out to admit you have the same appetite for success?!

    Baffled.

    I’m going before I have a heart attack.

  • 220 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 3:04 PM

    Beattie25 @ 213:

    Shane and Carl, never speak to me again please I beg you.

    Beattie25 @214:

    Shane

    How many times in all the games you’ve imagined you’ve been to would you say we played good over 90 minutes?

    Umm…

  • 221 Shane // Apr 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    Last reply to you Beattie25.

    Full marks for bringing in to a debate… “how many games you’ve *imagined youve been too…”

    *Suggesting I have been to no games?

    You are one of these tools that lives by the mantra,
    For he who has been to the most games knows more and has more valid opinions.

    You’ve out done yourself you tool.

  • 222 benjohnsen // Apr 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM

    Suarez is out of the Newcastle game anyway as he got his tenth yellow card of the season, or?

  • 223 fatash // Apr 22, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    Is Suarez a pariah or a piranah He has the temperant of one and the teeth of the other




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