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Yohan Cabaye – I Want To Stay In The Premier League

11:03 am, Monday, May 6th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 143 Comments

Yohan Cabaye has given his first interview for a few weeks, during which Newcastle have had a disastrous spell, collecting only two points and one goal in our last four games and we’ve conceded ten goals.

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Yohan Cabaye – I am focused

We half expected an interview with Fab Coloccini, who returned to the side from his back injury, after missing twelve games, and he was solid on Saturday, as was our defense for a change.

But Colo didn’t give any interviews, so here is what Yohan had to say in the Evening Chronicle today:

“I think we had a good response from last week – but we did not win the game.” “It is going to be very important to get three points.”

“It is only about us now, not Wigan, Norwich City or anybody else.” “In the dressing room, everything is OK here.” “The French players all want to adapt well. We are all focused together.”

“We wanted to show we are together. We have stayed focused on being safe and playing in the Premier League next season. That is the most important thing.”

“We know we are going to play well if we are focused together and stay together.” “Colo is back as well. For us, it was a good, refreshed team.”

“I am focused. I am 100% with everyone.” “I just want to save the club with my team-mates. I want to stay in the Premier League.” “I think it was a good draw if we think about the Liverpool game.”

No, we don’t want to think about the Liverpool game, which was a disaster for Newcastle United and made news around the world.

Even my dentist last week wondered why I wasn’t wearing a black armband following the display, and he had watched the full game with his son, and thought Newcastle were completely abysmal.

Unfortunately he was right – and I have to stop even thinking about that game as I mentioned above – I’m getting depressed.

If Coloccini steadies the Newcastle defense in the last two games of the season and we stay up, Newcastle must make every effort to keep him on Tyneside.

But if we do go down, then he’ll leave, as will a number of our other best players – and as Yohan says above – he wants to stay in the Premier League.

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143 responses so far ↓

  • 1 dmac // May 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    We need to get 3 pts at Qpr to avoid a nightmare final game of the season predicament like Villa when we got relegated.
    Norwich have West Brom at home and City away. If they manage to get some points there and we dont against Qpr then they deserve to stay up its as simple as that. Our destiny is firmly in our hands.

  • 2 catchy in norway // May 6, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    yoyo

    i will answer you later

    im driving , still got am hour to go

  • 3 Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    Yes Yohan,
    we understand you would like to stay in the PL,but who with ?

  • 4 Joe Blog // May 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Have to question player’s motives, when players like Cabaye knows he’ll be away to a top 4 team, or a elite European team, on more cash, should we be relegated!

    Call me paranoid, but I’m sure it’s at the very least crossed his and other’s minds.They’re only humans in this wretched modern world after all.

  • 5 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    I agree to a certain extent Lilongwe, Ashley can’t shoulder 100% of the blame. Mistakes have been at all levels; Boardroom, Management, Coaching, the playing staff and the casino.

    Pardew has made a few errors this season. The players have totally unperformed. the coaching set up needs looking at. And I think Ashley needs to take a long hard look at himself and the way he is running the club.

    It started in his very first summer at the club. Sanctioning the transfers of the likes of Alan Smith and Joey Barton and sticking them on humongous contracts wasn’t great. Barton had a court case looming and a probable jail sentence, so that wasn’t the brightest idea. I totally agree that bringing back Keegan was pandering to the fans and trying to win us around, bring us onside. Ashley is a shopkeeper and shopkeepers love nothing more than a good promotional offer, something that will entice the ‘customers’ in. He knew fine well Keegan was box office in this part of the world and enlisting him as manager was going to go down pretty well. What he failed to take into the account was Keegan wouldn’t work under the conditions Ashley was going to put in place after Keegan had come in. Appointing Dennis Wise was a dreadful error. The next summer was even worse. In came players based upon super scout Dennis Wises’ recommendation. I won’t name them as thinking of some of their names gives me the shivers. As if this wasn’t bad enough, Keegan left at being made to watch a video of a newly signed player that he hadn’t seen play before on youtube and in came JFK to use his masterful man management and coaching techniques to really bring out the best in these players. That didn’t work. He had his 987th heart attack and in comes a caretaker who had never managed a club before to help us avoid relegation. You couldn’t make this up. Then, when that isn’t quite working out as planned, the shopkeeper has another amazing promotional offer. “I will bring in the one person who is more popular as Keegan in these parts”, (other than Ant n Dec, Jimmy Nail and George Stephenson). Mr. Shearer. Great! He will save us! That didn’t work either. Damn!

    The following year, after trying to sell the club and having no takers for a club who had just been relegated with a massive wage bill, he appoints the caretaker that didn’t perform quite as well as one had hoped the previous year and somehow, everything works out fine. The squad – it turns out – was more than capable of bouncing back at the first attempt. Lovely.

    The first season back in the top flight, we have a young buck who benefited from a season in the Championship, to hone his raw talent; Andy Carroll, who starts the new season in spectacular fashion, is touted for an England call up and a successful career plundering goals in the top flight. But he is flogged in the first transfer window. Great price, can’t argue with that. But the shopkeeper made a massive profit. Simples, innit. The replacement for the 35 million pound Van Basten from Bensham was a free transfer. A canny good free transfer, but that’s what Ba was. A nice 35 million profit, eh? This shopkeepers doing very well. Meanwhile, he sacks Hughton who is doing a cracking job, and brings in a manager no one wants and ties him into an 5 and a half year deal. Always thinking of the fans, he has frozen season ticket prices for 10 years, another fantastic offer from our fantastic owner.

    The new manager that no one wants, actually does pretty well for the remainder of the season and we play some good stuff. In the summer, more high earners are sold and cheaper foreign imports are brought in. As all good shopkeepers do, he sourced the market for the cheapest, good quality products and stocked up with a few. This works really well and Newcastle finish 5th, exceeding expectations. Everyone is over the moon. Pardew gets an 8 year deal. It seems Ashley may have learned from his mistakes and might actually help the manager to achieve something pretty damn good on Tyneside. We thought wrong, chaps. Last summer was a shambles. The biggest failing by Ashley in my opinion. With the added burden of Europe and the raised expectations, we didn’t just not add to the squad, it became smaller. Out went first team members Guthrie, Best, Lovenkrands and an injured Ryan Taylor and in came Anita, a young fellow from France who hasn’t had a kick all year and a young lad from Coventry. Madness. Utter, utter madness. It should come at no surprise that we hit a shocking run of form in November / December when injuries and suspensions mount up for all clubs – not just ours, so i’m not making injuries an excuse – but what I am doing is saying that other clubs are/have been better prepared for the inevitable injuries.

    Come January, our shopkeeper owner has a problem. A big dilemma. We have just been beaten by Reading at home and look like we are in serious relegation trouble. So what does our illustrious owner do? He raids the very same market where he sourced the cheap, good quality products from that were so successful last year. France. In my opinion, he totally panics, rightly or wrongly, I don’t know. But good football club owners do not panic. He went out, like the good owner he is, as bought lots of cheap products who will more than likely make a profit down the line. He didn’t think of the hear and now. Which is why we find ourselves where we are now. Add in the fact that we sold Ba and didn’t replace him- as well as not replacing Best or even Lovekrands last summer – we are several strikers light. Strikers win games. We don’t win many. No surprise at all there.

    I’m a match going Mag – and I’m not saying this gives me any more insight than anyone else; that is simply not true. But I must point out that no one that I mix with on match days blames Pardew. It’s a perception that Pardew has been badly, badly let down. And he certainly isn’t the first to have been by let down by Mike Ashley whilst employed by him at this football club. I understand not everyone shares the same view, but I don’t believe Pardew is as universally disliked as he seems to be on here. The bigger picture needs to be taken in to account.

    To sum up; we have an idiotic owner who doesn’t understand how to run a football club and keeps making monumental errors.

  • 6 Lachu // May 6, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Anyone Else here think that Southampton and norwich will take more points than us .. assuming we beat QPR .. Cos i have my hopes on them more than Wigan

  • 7 davis_toons // May 6, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    http://www.leaguemanagers.com/news/news-6426.html

    After reading this, i find that MA is a cunning guy. Leaving out some contracts statement to deceive KK.

    Employ AP at a lower cost. Fire CH to stop him from his “soon to be renewal PL contract”. – Cheap Guy that’s MA.

    With a cheap manager that tells everyone that he knows a lot. We are where we are today.

  • 8 breno95 // May 6, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    So that means if NUFC fail in staying in PL our pin up boy will be seeking a move to pastures new in the summer. Its a bit of threat IMO. Stay up or its a case of auvoir mon ami.

  • 9 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Also, in theory having players on a performance related pay scheme is great , but in reality – or more appropriately – in Newcastle Uniteds’ reality, it isn’t a great thing. It’s a very bad thing and a de motivational tool for the players. This is because the owner isn’t investing in the playing staff sufficiently to help the players maximise their earnings. Is it any wonder they all seem a bit pissed off.

  • 10 NEWEXPATMAGPIE // May 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    The Team and Pardew got themselves into this Predicament and its up to themselves to get out of it !

    Dodgy decisions and injuries aside, if we do end up going down i think Pardew,s position will be untenable and the trainer will go down in our history of having a talented team of players and being relegated and playing in Europe in the same season !

    Cabaye will end up being sold and he will not be the only player who will be off if we do go down ?
    If we end up saving ourselves, then Ashley and co need to take a big hard look at how the manager of the season last year could make such a complete Bollocks of it this year?

    From total Hero to total Zero in twelve months !

    Way to go Alan ?

  • 11 Korean Magpie // May 6, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    I think ‘if’ we beat QPR, we would be quite safe. However, if we get a draw or even lose…there’s a big chance we would get relegated

  • 12 Big Pappa Cissé // May 6, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    @ Breno

    Can you blame the guy :) . Everyone can see he is a quality playmaker yet Pardew has him sitting in front of the back four FFS.

  • 13 catchy in norway // May 6, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    you didnt need a crystal ball to see this was going to happen

  • 14 Spotlight Kid // May 6, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 10:45 AM (last post)

    plaudits

    I thought the original audits was actually a very perceptive suggestion – even if an unintentional faux pas on your part – perhaps we could then see how the club is really being run!

    PS: I see your gander is well and truly being got up of late, I suggest some serious bank-holiday chilling – as the young folks now call it. We used to use the term p***-up, which even if less cool was more accurate.

    Don’t let MA’s many foibles rob you of quality time, you need to rest your mind in order to keep delivering those priceless one liners informing us of what would be too good for the fat man. Start raiding the fridge now – you know it makes sense.

  • 15 davis_toons // May 6, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Yes the bottom line is the Owner MA. But AP just doesn’t get the team to play good football. Or the team was not just good enough?

  • 16 Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 11:29 AM

    Ernest hemmingway,
    Excellent couple of posts,
    Spotlight kid,
    lol

  • 17 Spotlight Kid // May 6, 2013 at 11:31 AM

    Hemingway@5

    To sum up; we have an idiotic owner who doesn’t understand how to run a football club and keeps making monumental errors.

    Your full polemic was reasoned and well appreciated, and even though I would take exception with your appraisal of AP’s role in all this, I certainly see the reasoning behind it.

    Ed, take note…. this is how you do it!

  • 18 catchy in norway // May 6, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    id im honest

    which i am

    i would only swap our squad for 2 others in the prem

    we have as good a squad if not way better than the rest

  • 19 geordie157 // May 6, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    Shola being injured could be a blessing. Campbell hopefully can now get 20mins off the bench.

    for QPR go 433 but options for 4411 or 442
    Elliot
    Simpson, Taylor, Colo, Mbiwa
    Cabaye, Tiote, Anita
    Ben Arfa, Cisse, Gouffran

    Subs

    Harps, Santon, Perch, Gosling, Ferguson, Obertan, Campbell

  • 20 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    Ernest are you Ian Toon he also says no one he spoke to at the game blamed Pardew

  • 21 catchy in norway // May 6, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    montel jorden or williams

  • 22 SupaToonKid // May 6, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    Even if we beat QPR we still may go down. Remember that we beat Boro & looked safe then conceded that horror deflection off Duff vs Villa and went down. Same could happen against Arsenal and other sides with scrape through sending us down.

    Our only hope is we have a better team than back then however so does every other team in the Prem. I remain hopeful but a lot rests on the midweek games & then our game vs QPR & Norwich vs WBA

  • 23 Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    daztoon,
    I think Pardew must shoulder just as much blame as Ashley,but the fact the crowd never turned on him after the Lpool game showsthat the majority (imo) realise he is not entirely to blame for this mess.

  • 24 Spotlight Kid // May 6, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Catchy@18

    we have as good a squad if not way better than the rest

    Which is exactly what some of us have been saying for ages. The problem does not lie with lack of talent, but lack of tactics, proper coaching (corners and set pieces anyone?), preparation and overall team footballing philosophy. All of which can be laid at the door of only one man – and then by extension the fat man who appointed him!

  • 25 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    I think the reason Pardew is fairly well liked and even well respected, is because when he was brought in, we all thought he was going to be a patsy to Ashley, merely a pawn to be played with by His Majesty. But we really saw improvements in results on the pitch, which is what all us fans want and what none of us expected under Ashley. Pardew was responsible for that. And the failings we seen now as more of a failing on Ashleys’ part to back the manager he gave an 8 year deal when we really needed it. Pardew has been a bit shafted by the fat man.

  • 26 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    ernest @ 5 ” pardew has made a few errors this season ”
    a few ? bit of an understatement there mate !

  • 27 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Jail
    Mate I think most supporters had already left the stadium by the end of the Liverpool game and any left were in shock.
    Of course Ashley is partly to blame as he is still showing he knows nothing about football or the Toon.

  • 28 yo-yo // May 6, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Ernest Hemingway

    Great summary ..

    So the bell tolls for Ash and we now need “a Farewell to Ash”?

  • 29 woodsee // May 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Having Pardew as manager is like runnin a ferrarri on chip fat

  • 30 sparky55 // May 6, 2013 at 11:48 AM

    totally disagree ernest…any other manager in the premiership would not be flirting with relegation with the squad we have. The only club that have spent any money in the bottom 8 are QPR…the rest have had next to nowt so lack of investment is not an argument…Pardew is clearly to blame because every manager has issues with his owners, some bigger than others. Pardew has always said the running of the club has nowt to do with him and it’s his job to get on with it…well that he hasn’t and that’s no-ones fault but his own…his tactics and substitutions and set up have all been appalling this year and losing to reading showed how shit he is…we went 1-0 up, he blinked first and bought on Perch and tried to defend the lead against a team with the worst away record in the league…he’s guilty as charged of being totally inept…this squad deserves a good manager so that rules pardew out straight away

  • 31 catchy in norway // May 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    so scream at ashley

    no one says anything

    just watch and let this happen

  • 32 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    j ust been reading that article where pardew says , how the cisse disallowed goal on saturday “is a mental blow, he is still smarting from the dissalowed goal against sunderland ”
    Those 2 incidents should be forgotten about now.
    The players should be made to forget them .
    What pardew is doing is dwelling on the past – wrong – he should be concentrating on 2 games left not thinking about how hard done to “HE’ is, the selfish ba…d.
    With 3 games left , i said we needed to sack pardew to have any chance of staying up, not only because of a change of tactics , but to put a positive mindset into the players heads to get us over the line, because THAT is where we are going to fail, not on the pitch.

  • 33 sparky55 // May 6, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    well said No9 and I prayed for the same thing but in reality was never going to happen…we’ve got him to the bitter end!

  • 34 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    @sparky
    Well said mate.

    Jail
    You have a hatred of Ashley yet still line his pockets with your hard earned cash why is that

  • 35 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    ernest – pardews lack of tactical knowledge and his inability to be positive has put us down.
    A decent manager would have made us safe by now.
    Yes ashley has faults and he is not the best owner we havve had , however look at the players in the squad , are you telling me they are not good enough for the prem ? if they are , why are we getting relegated , if not , why did pardew buy them?

  • 36 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    @ernest
    Parades isn’t liked are well respected.The bloke got sacked by Southampton over staff morale

  • 37 Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    daztoon ,
    Why do you think.

  • 38 solano // May 6, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    There’s been some pretty good posts of late but I think nothing sums up the dire situation our club is in better than this gem from BandB on an earlier thread:

    “I have been saying for several days now that I thought things behind the scenes were running in Pardew’s direction. So I don’t disagree with your analysis of how things will pan out. What I find hard to understand is your seeming equanimity about the prospect of relegation.
    It seems to have worked out this way.
    There were a very large group of people at the start of the season who were cheerleaders for the idea that we had a financial plan that was the envy of the league and that failing to invest in the squad showed what a shrewd operator Mr Ashley was.
    By January, Mr Ashley had publicly recanted on that view, leaving their arguments in tatters. So the same group moved its campaign to implacable support for Alan Pardew, at just the time when his failing were becoming glaringly obvious, and his performance difficult to get excited about.
    If I lived in a state which I considered had been hijacked by a regime which did not have it’s best interests at heart, I would feel it was my duty remain loyal to my country, and not become an apologist for the regime
    I feel much the same way about the situation at Newcastle.”

  • 39 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    Jail
    Since Ashley showed his true colours after the KK disgrace I haven’t put a single penny in his coffers that’s my stance till he’s gone.
    I get you have a shared love for the Toon but isn’t it a protest of just words and no action

  • 40 Spotlight Kid // May 6, 2013 at 12:09 PM

    Stu#9@35

    I don’t think there’s any doubt that Pardew’s incompetence and inexperience is largely behind the fall from last season’s relative but often fortunate grace. But likewise although the post January squad is now plenty good enough, it has had no time to bed in properly. This is thanks to reactive (as opposed to pro-active) decision making from Ashley.

    As for Pardew buying players, I think you over-estimate Ashley’s trust in the guy. He might have the power of veto (I said ‘might’) but the real business of buying and selling is conducted upstairs.

    If Pardew was a better manager I would feel a little sorry for him; but he isn’t, and I don’t. I feel sorry for the club that is stuck with this dysfunctional double act, and the fans who suffer the consequences of it.

  • 41 Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    So when we get this new super technical über manager,do you think he’ll have the temerity to stand in front of the cameras and tell us our already weakened squad has been further weakened yet we still have enough in the tank OR do you think he might do a ” Keegan “.

  • 42 Lilongwe Geordie // May 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Ernest,

    Good post, I still think you understate the role Pardew has played in our demise this year though.

    I think your views on Ashley in part back up Catchy’s arguments of he was given bad advice. He didn’t have any knowledge of running a club when he took over, and has stated that he didn’t have in depth knowledge of football either. A few characters have taken him for a ride, Keegan for example, knew that Ashley wanted to give the fans a boost, so was happy to take a 4million contract, way over the top, which I’m sure coincidentally tied in with the amount his football circus owed.

    Ashley was supposedly friends with Jeff Vetere, who got a job at the club on the back of his prior employment at Chelsea, a role in which he became friends with the odious Dennis Wise. Welcome on board through Jeff’s advice.

    The list of bad advice goes on, but I think he is becoming more savvy, and I think his main/most trusted advisor on football is now Graham Carr. Hopefully that will be an end to his bad decisions re management, coaching players etc. Although I still think Beardsley holds huge sway, and given the kids were under his tutelage must have given glowing reports for people to think they were ready for the step up.

    As for Pardew, he has demonstrated a lack of ability to change style, to alter games for the better when we need something extra, and seems to have run out of ideas. I think you may be right, on other forums there is a lot of support for Pards, will you still feel that way if both Sunderland and Wigan win in the next 2 days? No matter how bad our injuries have been, we have put out some very good teams in some very winnable games, and yet haven’t won. West Ham, Swansea, Reading all at home. Even with just those three games we could be looking at mid table.

    His excuses are the most damning thing though. To say luck has gone against us, there have been occasions where we have got lucky. After the Everton game he said we deserved the luck and these things balance out. Maybe they balance out, maybe they don’t but I think the fact is that when we got lucky, Reading away, Everton to name 2 off the top of my head, we weren’t good enough to take full advantage.

    Of course players take some blame, some haven’t performed, some have been wholly out of form, but the stubbornness with which he sticks to the same tactics and players is just downright madness. I can’t remember who said it, but “madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” By that definition, Pardew is barking mad!

  • 43 beefman13 // May 6, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    Hemingway, just hold on there, you say not one person you mix with blames Pardew, so you have a private box on your own have you, listen I support the owner, I hate his frigan manager, and I will say of course the 8 year deal was grosely over the top, I say the majority of the fault lies with the manager, he wanted the bullets to fire he got them all be it in January, but enough time to still push for comfortable top ten no bother.

    Again a top international footballer playing in a top international team in virtually every position, that shows how we have bought really well and everyone was well happy in January, its the way our manager plays square pegs in round holes! ie he has played Jonas in 6 different positions this season with no assists occurring, quite spectacular, no goals from corners in 430 corners, why is this not addresed more, he will come out and give his politician speil that he is, could have fooled me, set pieces apart from two free kicks are predictable and woeful, same set up style of play teams just know how we play, defensive minded over cautious to the extreme, taking benny of on Saturday cos he ;looked a bit tired, come on he could win a game in aheartbeat, puts gosling on who has showed virtually nothing and did so again, put shola on yawn yawn yawn, when a young Campbell is chomping to get decent game with the club instead of being put out on the left wing for 15 mins like Pardew does.

    Of course MA had tolearn from the keegan fiasco and the big money contracts that were being given out to the like of smith n Nolan and the others although Nolan wasn’t to bad neither was he.

    YOU say MA is just an incompitant multi billionaire shopkeeper( earns more in interest in a year than you will make in 20 lifetimes) we are back in the richest clubs in the world, and I know how precarious our situation is, and that is down to the Manager simple as he has the tools, he is utilising them wrongly, MA brought him in so he is at fault there but he is far from incompitant and your post stunk of 2008/09.

  • 44 Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    daztoon ,
    can’t knock you for that.

  • 45 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Supporting the toon over 30 years and I must say with what he has to work with For me Pardew is the worst manager I have seen at the Toon and there have been some shite ones.Pardew was sacked by Southampton after a 4-0 win because of low morale and unrest of his Staff so what must the dressing room be like after a season we have witnessed

  • 46 Lilongwe Geordie // May 6, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    I get it, Ashley has faults, has made huge errors, generally just when things were starting to settle, but unless you can come up with 250million to buy the club, and then more to pay back his loan, then we don’t have too much choice. He is as stubborn as they come, so isn’t likely to sell up.

    I also think the fact he is stubborn means that regardless of whether fans had protested against Pardew, he wouldn’t have sacked him. He will do it his way. I think he is probably feeling the pressure and worry just as much as we are at the minute, maybe more for commercial reasons but the fact he stepped in to get 3 full internationals and 2 youth internationals (One former) in January show he does not want to see us down.

    Pards will go at the end of the season, I think that is pretty much set in stone, who will come in, god knows, but it will be under Carr’s influence I expect, which hopefully, he does as well with as some of the players.

  • 47 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 12:29 PM

    Jail

    My beef with Ashley has always been his appalling and misguided choice of managers.

    But it is hard to knock how we have somehow assembled the following players, many of whom were here before January.

    Krul, Debuchy, Colo, M’Biwa, Santon,
    Sissoko, Cabaye, Anita,
    Ben Arfa, Cisse, Marveaux
    (+ Goofy, Haidara, Tiote etc)

    It takes a very special person to f..k that up

  • 48 Le Belfast 007 // May 6, 2013 at 12:32 PM

    I wouldn’t be sure about Pardew leaving at the end of the season like. I think he’ll bluff his way into getting another season.

  • 49 Le Belfast 007 // May 6, 2013 at 12:34 PM

    Europa league, injuries, disallowed goals blah blah blah
    French players not knowing the language blah blah blah

  • 50 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 12:42 PM

    I don’t want my club to have a nice bank balance. I want all the clubs assets on the pitch.

    And, no, I don’t think this squad is good enough. We only have one premier league quality striker who can’t play by himself up front.

    I don’t for one second believe Pardew is as pleasant with Ashley behind the scenes as he is in front of the cameras, paying lip service. He knew fine well last summer we needed to strengthen. And we didn’t. And Pardew is having to front up every single week. But he was given an 8 year deal and there is no way on earth he is going to walk away, especially if he is as self-confident and proud and – yes – even arrogant.

  • 51 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM

    Beefman

    There are 50000 + fans inside St. James every week, so I can’t speak for them all, which is what I was hinting at. I do however, mix with 15 or so people who don’t have the anger towards Pardew as they do the owner.

  • 52 Big Pappa Cissé // May 6, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    If the worst were to happen and we went down can anyone else think of a better team on paper that has ever been relegated ? . I can’t

  • 53 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    ernest

    why play cisse up by himself. 433 or 343 would be way more effective than pardew’s 3 DM s and 10 payers spending most of the match in their own half.

    A lot of teams play 1 main striker who is then supported but we don’t get people and around Cisse because of our manager’s ultra negative hit and hope tactics

  • 54 solano // May 6, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Well done Daztoon, for having the courage of his convictions. I too attended home games for nearly 30 years (16 as a season ticket holder)and have seen my fair share of the shite and sublime. However, when the club was taken over by these cuckoos my time to say ‘no mas’ rapidly approached.
    I still get to a share of away games (through friends tickets and contacts) but it is increasingly difficult as the club has no interest in even taking up the full away allocation as they don’t make money from it.
    Money – ie withdrawing financial support, is in reality, the only language which Ashley will listen to.
    If we go down, then our present squad of foreign mercenaries will leave and we will be there for the second time in 4 years. Rallying cries of ‘get behind the lads’ just won’t wash anymore when you have to watch Gosling, Perch and the Ameobi’s.
    It may have to get worse to get better – but we need to rid this club of the cancer which has taken hold since 2007. 30000 outside the ground on a matchday at ko time would be a good start for gathering momentum and running these jokers out of town.
    Time for fans to shake off the apathy and shrugging of shoulders, because we used to be a proud breed and all I see now is brow beaten faces and the air of inevitable defeat about them.

  • 55 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Rotanda

    All clubs who are even remotely successful and who have achived anything in the game always have a core of players who have come through the academy and understand the club or have foreigners who have completely bought in to the club, the area, the region and the league in which we play. The team you listed there has one, Tim Krul. That is not good enough and shouldn’t be allowed to happen. You need to keep an identity of the club.

    I was reminded of this yesterday when I was watching the post-match interviews of the Merseyside derby. Gerrard and Carragher were being interviewed and talking about if the club would be adversely affected by Carraghers impending retirement. The answer was “no” as they have Stevie Gerrard there to take up the mantle of the boss man on the pitch, in the dressing room and elsewhere. To show to the younger lads and the new foreign guys what it mean to play for Liverpool.

    Now what do we have? A captain in Coloccini who wanted to leave in January and who will be sold in the summer and a vice captain in Cabaye who looks disinterested and pissed off with the world.

  • 56 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Rotanda

    The only other legitimate centre forward is Shola and he isn’t good enough. Gouffran is a number 10 or a inside forward. We haven’t got enough strikers. That is not up for debate.

  • 57 Oldgit1 // May 6, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    I would think that when ashley told AP that there was no further signings in the summer, AP would have said” look you fat bastard my reputation is on the line and one purple player is not enough. I believe he just said ” yes sir three bags full sir. AP lacked guts to stand up to the fat controller and got himself into this mess. I shouted and screamed that buisness during the summer was not enough to help the team, as many of the supporters on this site agreed, so if we can see it why can’t they. I have supported this team for over 60 yrs, so can see what is needed but the do the opposite
    , always. Get AP out as soon as this season is over.

  • 58 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    ernest

    i guess you didn’t hear the ”you don’t know what you’re doing” chants at home to reading.

    you could knock ashley a while back but the utter implosion in the last month has pardew’s name all over it as per west ham and chalton and the low morale he left at southampton

  • 59 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 12:56 PM

    name: ernest
    specialist subject:- missing the point repeatedly

  • 60 beefman13 // May 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Hemingway, we will agree to disagree or it can get in to a war on here, but I would say I know still the majority don’t like MA but ask 50,000 if they are happy with Alan Pardew and the vast majority again would say they are not.

  • 61 Thump // May 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Sounds a bit like a potential “come and get me” to me…

  • 62 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Rotonda

    If that’s what you believe, good for you. I respect your opinion. I don’t think any manager could be in charge of Newcastle under Ashley and be successful long term.

  • 63 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    arsenal had 9 french players and a french manager when they won the double,

    no one cares where the players come from as long as the manager is getting the best out of them.

  • 64 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Ian Toon posted yesterday on the line of Pardew is going nowhere so support the toon and get used to it.Thats the problem supporters like him just accepting the shite and that’s why we have an owner and manager who know they can do what they like, because most just accept it and the love for the toon leaves them blinkered to reality

  • 65 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Beefman

    That is the way adults do things, agree to disagree without belittling other peoples point of view.

    Mike Ashley is the cancer at Newcastle, in my opinion.

  • 66 headtheball // May 6, 2013 at 1:02 PM

    Rotonda @59
    You should be on a comedy circuit.
    That two liner is a classic.
    Comedic genius.

  • 67 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Ernest Hemingway

    For one who has stolen the name of a noble price winning author you don’t half talk utter shite.

  • 68 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 1:03 PM

    Rotando

    Yes,they did, which is why I mentioned in my previous post you need either players who have come up through the academy or foreigners who have bought into the club. Henry, Berkamp et al did exactly that. Henry became captain and record goalscorer and Berkamp has a statue outside the Emirates.

    I don’t miss the point. But you just did.

  • 69 catchy in norway // May 6, 2013 at 1:05 PM

    Thump

    100%

    shop window, im free

    lol

  • 70 Lilongwe Geordie // May 6, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Ernest,

    On your point about the squad needing identity and a core through the academy, this is something Ashley is trying to put in place. It doesn’t happen overnight. In the meantime you bring in players of sufficient calibre.

    The failing at the minute is that none of the coaching staff can develop a player, except our staff working with kids from 14/15 to 17/18. After that they disappear.

  • 71 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    ernest

    if pardew was a consistently good manager which he patently is not, there is no way we would be in this position.

    yes ashley was reactive rather than pro, but we still had half a season left and half the current French national team!!

    You just know a competent manager would not have us in this mess playing football with fear all the time.

    People say pardew is experienced in this position, but you have to ask yourself why – because he has all but relegated 3 different teams.

    yes Ashley is far from ideal, but a trained chimp could do a better job than Pardew the gimp.

  • 72 solano // May 6, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    Rotonda@58 -you are right, Patsy should have got a lot more out of what he got but it doesn’t matter which way you look at it, responsibility lies at the very top. The same people who introduced this crazy ‘planning’ – the same people who were willing to write off nearly 5 and a half months of a season because they didn’t want to progress. They will still be very reluctant to rid themselves of Pardew, because it will be very difficult to find anyone so compliant. But I think it is inevitable he will go to buy them more time.
    Stay up or get relegated – there’ll be loads of players jumping ship and the merry go round will start again. If we stay up and our bestest leave – Ashley and Del will be quite happy as it’s more money for them on top of the tv windfall.
    It’s a totally unacceptable situation and it was created by putting a Patsy up as frontman for a plan that is utterly against the interests of the genuine football fan.

  • 73 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    head the ball

    I try my best !!!

  • 74 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    spotlight @ 40—i do agree that the” selling” part of any deals comes from , as you say , upstairs, however, i have to think that any ” new recruits” that are brought in are purely down to carr and pardew.
    The way i think it would work , and this is OMO, pardew would identify the areas where we need strengthening . Carr would have a shortlist of possibilities , then pardew would pick his option from the list. that would then go up stairs to be dealt with. , i dont think ash or lambs would have the knowledge to pick a player that would fit into pardews plans ( if he had any )

  • 75 Toon Tang // May 6, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    reading between the lines, cabaye’s saying – “we’re going down, any potential new employers out there, i am looking to remain in the prem. So come and get me”

    say what ya see, if ya see it, say it

  • 76 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    solano

    I am not totally averse to what you and jail are saying at all re ashley.

    But regardless of who’s at the top, somehow or other and god knows how we have managed to attract quite a considerable pool of talent which pardew is systematically mishandling.

  • 77 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Need payers who ave come up through the academy:

    Man Utd:

    De Gea – Athletico Madrid
    Rafeal – Fluminese
    Rio Ferdinand – West Ham
    Nemanja Vidic – Red Star Belgrade
    Patrice Evra – PSG
    Nani – Sporting
    Michael Carrick – West Ham
    Anderson – Gremio
    Giggs – Man Utd
    Rooney – Eveton
    Van Persie – Feyenord

    Man City

    Hart – Shewsbury
    Zabaleta – San Lorenzo
    Kompnay – Anderecht
    Nastasic – Partizan
    Clichy – Arsenal
    Nasri – Marsaille
    Toure – Beveren
    Barry – Villa
    Silva – Valencia
    Aguero – Independiente
    Tevez – Boca

    Shall I go on??

  • 78 catchy in norway // May 6, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Rotonda heights

    i agree

    we have the talent,

    its not playing for peedew

  • 79 Spotlight Kid // May 6, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    RH@76

    I’ll second that….

  • 80 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    cheers spotlight

  • 81 solano // May 6, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Rotonda…I mostly agree, but I’m not sure ‘the considerable pool of talent’ is as good as some make out.
    I would also point out that these players were signed on Carr’s recommendations and clearly, Patsy’s role in recruitment was far reduced compared to what other manager’s are used to.
    This again, goes back to a stupid plan introduced from above. MA and DL are culpable of gross mismanagement.

  • 82 Oldgit1 // May 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM

    Wtf is going on at my club, sick and tired of the mess and uncertainty at this club. I was dead chuffed with last season but knew in my mind that we were very very lucky with a lot of the results going our way. This season has been pathetic.

    AP continues to play players out of position, and uses the wrong tactics, other bloggers on this site comes up with better lineups than AP. how many times has he put his hands up and said he made the wrong decision.

    We cannot put up with this shit manager after this season, the sooner he goes the better. Wish I could think of a good replacement, I would suggest a young continental manager that can unite a team and play modern day football. The brand of football we play is so predictable and boring.

    Goofy was the third highest goal scorer when in France, what has become of him recently, he shows no confidence in his shooting.

    I blame AP for everything at our club, he should grow a set of balls, and admit he is out of his depth at our club. Ashley should know this and get rid, even if, or should that be when we are relegated. Start again, you know it makes sense.

  • 83 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Only at the Toon can you have a scout like Carr and a manger like Pardew.Maybe he should have asked Carr for instructions on how to get the players working.With Pardew it’s like having a remote control racing car but no batteries

  • 84 Spotlight Kid // May 6, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Solano@81

    Whatever the meaning of ‘considerable’, the squad has been independently valued at £155m – the 7th highest in the Prem. There’s no way – by ANY measure – it should be awaiting the Wigan results to see if it will be in the Prem next season!!

  • 85 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Solano

    yes fair enough but our squad is certainly worth better than 16th place in anyone’s language.

  • 86 Lilongwe Geordie // May 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    Beattie,
    Barry came through at Brighton, but your point still stands.

    It is about having someone who knows how to structure players, and how the individual fits into the system. Pardew has neither a plan, or a system that has been visible in his time here. He certainly can’t identify what position players are best suited and how they are best utilised.

    I think this whole “teams need players through the academy” stems from Fergs earlier success, and past teams success 20plus years ago. But that fails to take into account the changing world of football. And also that Man Utd had a youth team that was unusually talented and close knit.

  • 87 Rotonda heights // May 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Oldgit at 82

    You’ve absolutely nailed it there.

  • 88 solano // May 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    Rotonda…I most certainly agree with you!
    Mike and Del will be licking there lips at the potential profits to be made on their short term buys if we stay up and the good players express an ambition to improve themselves.. That sadly, seems to be how the owner planned it anyway!
    Maybe relegation wouldn’t be bad thing afterall? :-(

  • 89 Lilongwe Geordie // May 6, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    OldGit,
    I agree with most of that, but Ashley must shoulder some blame for appointing Pardew, awarding an 8 year contract (albeit with a number of break clauses), and not having the nuts to admit he was wrong and sack him earlier.

  • 90 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    ernesr @ 50 you agree that the squad is not good enough, yet you refuse to attach any blame on pardew.
    Pardew has been here for nearly 3 years .
    The squad we have now is his- he bought them ! how can you say the squad is not good enough after 3 years and not blame pardew? the players, although not “world class ” are more than capable of keeping NUFC in this league, the manager who bought them struggles to play them properly , he also lacks in motivational skills, tactical skills and man management skills, skills that are VITAL in being a manager of any club , not just newcastle.
    Look at pardews cv ! are you telling me he has problems with every owner of every club he has managed ? i doubt it . your posts sound very plausible , however very polemic reasoning but bypassing the facts.

  • 91 Ketsbaia9 // May 6, 2013 at 1:38 PM

    Will Marveuax be back for the QPR game? We are missing him badly. We should start with Ben Arfa, Anita and Marveaux. I’m sure we’d score if we played them.

  • 92 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    Ashley is to blame for a lot but instead of posting a self loathing article filled with a cornucopia of long meaningless words inputted only for the hope that the writer will be perceived as intelligent, I will write it out why Pardew is to blame in layman’s terms.

    Pardew chooses the team (including to continuously play Jonas) not Ashley.

    Pardew chooses the tactics (including the defensive 4-5-1) not Ashley.

    Pardew is in charge of bringing the best out of individual players talents (why does he play players out of position?) not Ashley.

    Pardew is in charge of player development (Why have the youngsters looked shit? Why have they no confidence? Why did he criticise them so harshly?) not Asghley.

    Pardew is in charge of motivation (3-0 loss against local rivals and the next home game a 6-0 defeat, players didn’t look up for it) not Ashley.

    Pardew is responsible for team spirit (talks of unrest and the players often look defeated 2 minutes into a game) not Ashley.

    Pardew is the manager of the first team and therefore is in control of training the players (noted training is focused on defending 5 times a week and yet we have conceded 66 goals, mistakes are not learnt from and team looks the same every game) not Ashley.

    Pardew as manager has overall responsibility on player fitness (a few freak injuries but most are done in training) not Ashley.

    Pardew is the face of the fans and club during press conferences and media duties (always makes excuses and looks to blame others, gives us a bad name) not Ashley.

    Pardew is in charge of knowing everything about his players (didn’t have a clue where Ben Arfa was or the extent of his injury, Marv didn’t even turn up to a game this season) not Ashley.

    Pardew is the man who has to find weaknesses and strengths and ensure the strengths are played to and the weaknesses are fixed (no change or adaptation in 2 1/2 years) not Ashley.

    Pardew is in charge of the overall quality of football on the pitch and its growth and progression (hoof ball for 30 months) not Ashley.

    Shall I go on?

  • 93 JP...from The Rock // May 6, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    If we go down it’s a disaster. A disaster that has been brought upon us due to Ashley’s reluctance to offer the funds to buy players in the summer. Pardew doesn’t escape blame either. He should have made our team be more aggressive on the pitch and go all out for wins, not hold out for draws half of the time. He should have dropped out-of-form players like Cabaye, Tiote and the like and make them work harder to make it into the team. He should leave Ameobi being the cheerleader he is because lets face it Strolla is no footballer, let alone a ‘striker’ ffs. To constantly praise and rely on Srolla to save us and get the points near the end of our matches has been one of his most unforgivable mistakes. I sometimes wonder if his constant praise of Ameobi is only down to what he hears by some fans about Strolla being the Mackem Slayer and all that, that Pardew feels he has to put him in to appease fans.

    Ameobi is no saviour! We should have replaced Lovenkrands and Best in the summer. This is down to Ashley.

    But to depend on a no-scoring ‘striker’ to save us when we have possibly the next Michael Owen dying to come off the bench in young Adam Campbell is nothing short of disgraceful.

    If we go down I bet Campbell will become a star in the Championship, and then Pardew and us will be wondering what if he had played him more towards the end of the season when we needed to score to get the wins and points we needed to stay up.

    In January Ashley’s rush of blood got us some great players but then we again shot ourselves in the foot by selling our top scorer in Demba Ba and not having him replaced!!

    That was madness! We needed to get a good goal-scorer in to replace our only scorer in Ba. Remy kicked us in the balls at the last minute but we should have gone all out to get Wilfried Bony or Aubameyang as another option.

    What do we do? Risk it with only Cisse, Gouffran and yes that lazy arse Ameobi again!

    The new players all needed time to settle and that was obvious. Although Sissoko and Debuchy made instant impacts it is now becoming more evident that they are still get accustomed to our league, the city, the language the food etc.

    That takes time and we are depending on them to save us and score goals also. That is harsh and unfair on the Frenchies. If we had bought a proper replacement for Ba we wouldn’t be in half the mess we are in now.

    Add to that that Pardew is in panic mode and playing it safe every game is costing us dearly. We should have gone all out for the wins even before he publicly mentioned we were safe when it was obvious there was still loads to play for. Now he is scared shitless in going for wins and settles for draws with teams like West Ham and Reading!! Unacceptable.

    Bottom line is; It has been a multitude of bad decisions that have led to our rapid demise from grace, by both Ashley and Pardew.

    Inexperience from both Chairman and Manager have us where we are now sadly.

  • 94 solano // May 6, 2013 at 1:49 PM

    Beattie: you make some valid points and I in no way want to speak for the author of such classic novels as ‘A Farewell to Arms’ ‘The Sun also Rises’ and ‘The Old Man and the Sea’ but you may want to consider the bigger picture and emerging pattern as well?

    Mike Ashley Role of Honour:
    07-08 Relegation Battle
    08-09 Relegation
    09-10 Win Championship
    10-11 Lower League Finish
    11-12 Europa League Qualification
    12-13 Relegation Battle
    6 Managers in 6 years.
    Never beyond fourth round in any domestic cup competition.
    Namechange.
    Defamation of 2 Club Legends.
    Adittal of deliberating telling lies in court of law.

    Is this good enough for a club in the World’s top 20 richest clubs?
    The Bells should be tolling for the death of this rotten regime, not our beloved club.

  • 95 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    Solano

    Nobody should escape blame from this farce.

    Why people choose to defend one yet blame another is beyond me. Simple fact of the matter is everyone is to blame from Ashley down to the players.

    Pardew deserves more criticism than he gets though, and he gets a lot.

  • 96 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 1:55 PM

    Beattie25

    You completely missed the point. I will repeat what I initially said in my post and what i repeated to Rotonda, as I now will to you;

    You need a core of players who have come up through the academy or who have ‘bought in’ to the clubs philosophy, history, culture. All successful clubs have this. There are far too many examples for me to name on here as this list would include every single successful club that has ever existed. It would far longer than my original post.

    This something that we don’t have.

    Out of your two examples though, I would say 100% of the Man Utd players; foreign or British, have bought into the Man Utd history, culture and passion of that club. And not as many players in the Man City team haven’t bought into it, which is why Man Utd. have been so much more successful this season. Ferguson is the master at this.

  • 97 JP...from The Rock // May 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    Another glaring fact that lies on Pardew’s responsibility is the fact we have yet to score from a corner since half way into last season if I am not mistaken! That is an alarming statistic! One that should be worked on in training every time. What bugged me loads was to see the same pathetic set-piece, Cabaye lumps the free-kick to the far post where Williamson would then try to head it across goal or score himself, it always ended in Willo missing the header completely or never looking like scoring. We kept playing that routine for ages with the sad hope it might come off for once, it didn’t and it still hasn’t but yet we keep doing the same bloody tactic!! That to me is where Pardew shows his incompetence.

    Also subbing a near Man-of-Match performance from a seemingly match-fit HBA for a slow, non-scoring, ineffective Strolla Ameobi to ‘create’ something to win us the game against The Hammers!! That was a shocking decision and I am still left wondering what the hell was he thinking!!?

    Constantly playing Gutierrez and Tiote when they have been in the worst form in their careers and leaving 3 times in a row MoM Anita on the bench to look on in disgust.

    Those are the things were Pardew has really surprised me and made me want to see the back of him now. I was one of his supporters but not anymore.

  • 98 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 1:59 PM

    Players who join Newcastle are signing for the football equivalent of a cash and carry (or whatever the French equivalent is. Le Cash et Carry, I presume). The good players that we do sign, realise we were close to achieving something with a bit of investment – as were all of us – and now because of our owners ideas on player recruitment, we find ourselves in the shit at the wrong end of the table.

  • 99 solano // May 6, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Ernest: This regime has had 3 (THREE) seperate attempts at reforming the academy system and has failed. They are apparently ‘planning’ another overhaul this summer!
    It beggars belief, how they can be so incompetent.

  • 100 Novocastrian66 // May 6, 2013 at 2:02 PM

    Forget about our plight. Steve Carney has died. A great servant to our club. We should remember him today. Condolences to his family. R.I.P. Steve.

  • 101 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    Ernest

    I’m not sure I do understand your post.

    Sir Alex IS that clubs philosophy, history and culture.

    Ferguson imposed his own footballing philosophy into the club, it wasn’t inherent.

    They had a decent history but nothing above the ordinary until 22 years ago.

    And as for the culture, are we talking locality or footballing culture?

    Man Utd are what they are because they got a manager who changed their club not because they got one who bought into it. We have a manager who would struggle to change his bed sheets.

    I really am clueless as to what your point is.

  • 102 headtheball // May 6, 2013 at 2:03 PM

    Whether we stay up or go down, anyone interested in getting rid of the our three leaders at season end? David Copperfield would be very expensive but if he can make trains disappear surely our three would easy. Just a thought.

  • 103 solano // May 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Novo…sad news. He played in the team the day I attended my first game at SJP.

  • 104 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    Ernest

    You really are deluded.

  • 105 nufc786 // May 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    R.I.P. Steve.Carney

  • 106 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    @novo
    Was just talking bout him the other night met him in the car park before the Carlisle game 84 great bloke will be sadly missed R.I.P

  • 107 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 2:12 PM

    Ernest wrote this:

    ‘…and now because of our owners ideas on player recruitment, we find ourselves in the shit at the wrong end of the table.’

    Well as far as I can see we have purchased:

    Argentinian Iinternational CB for £10 million – Colo
    French international RB for £5 million – Debuchy
    French international CB for £6 million – M’bwia
    Italian international LB for £5 million – Santon
    Ivory Coast international CM for £4 million – Tiote
    French international CM for £4 million – Cabaye
    French international RW for £5 million – Ben Arfa
    French international CM for £2 million – Sissoko
    Dutch international DM for £6 million – Anita
    Senegalese international CF for £9 million – Cisse

    As for your core players blah blah bullshit, we have lots of players that have been here for 4-5 years, enough time to ‘buy into it’ don’t you think?

    You sir are wrong in all your points. Come back tomorrow and try again.

  • 108 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Since 2008 Dortmund have spent £40 million on their first choice first team and have won 2 league titles, 1 domestic cup and are in the final of the CL. Their positions in the league have been 6th, 5th, 1st, 1st, 2nd.

    Since 2008 Newcastle have spent £55 million on their first choice first team and have been relegated once, got into the Europa league and are close to being relegated for a second time. Their positions in the league have been 18th (R), 1st (Ch), 12th, 5th, T.B.C (Bottom 5 likely).

    There isn’t much difference between the net spend and granted the PL is more difficult but the main difference is down to the manager. Pure and simple.

  • 109 terencelim // May 6, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    Yes Yohan that’s a good idea, but first you need to learn taking a corner kick like a premier league player.

  • 110 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    |I think you need to check your history Beattie. Man Utd have been a very successful before Sir Alex rocked up. They had won that laughable, two-bob trophy; The European Cup. Not bad for such an unsuccessful club with no history. And numerous cups and League titles. Not to mention most of the generations best players and future England stars in the Munich Air Disaster.

    What a small club with no philosophy!

    Sir Alex is a master making new players aware of what they represent. What has been before them and how to conduct yourself off the pitch. They are representing the club at all times. Sir Alex is forever talking about Matt Busby and the past.

    We have totally lost our identity.

  • 111 toonluvva // May 6, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    @ErnestHemingway.

    Of course Ashley has made errors. The worst was not thinking through who would do the best job of running the club. Chris Mort made a decent fist of it, but Ashley chose to replace him with Llambias.

    If you surround yourself with “yes” men, trouble will find you out very quickly.

    Ashley has not appointed the right people to the top management jobs at Newcastle and then relied on their advice for important decisions on who to appoint as manager and transfer spending policy.

    Everyone makes mistakes. Ashley, unfortunately does not seem to have learnt from his. The question is, even if we do avoid relegation, does he keep Llambias and Pardew even though a lot of problems can be laid at their doorstep.

  • 112 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    What a total waste of a season with the highlights being one deserved win v Chelsea (h) an unlucky 4-3 at Manure and the Benfica games.The rest has been awful to stomach as has Pardews waffle

  • 113 Novocastrian66 // May 6, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    Hey lads. Don’t know how people can come on here arguing when we have lost one of our old boys. Sad day. I appreciate a lot of you will not have seen him play or perhaps even heard of him, but we should remember him.

  • 114 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    @novo
    Sad day indeed Steve was a passionate take no prisoners player everything lacking at the Toon these days

  • 115 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    solano @ 54 —- i hope you wernt hinting that 30,000 people should “B…OT” a game? i thought you of all people should know, that word and method is frowned upon in these parts.!

  • 116 solano // May 6, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    daz @112..surely the true highlight of the season was the release of the partial accounts? Open top bus parade-worthy, surely?
    No real news on reducing huge debt shuffled to St James’ Holdings, though!

  • 117 solano // May 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Stuart…whisper ‘Geoffery’ quietly. Ibiza and Co.- who have never attended SJP – may get upset. ;-)

  • 118 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    Ernest

    You are so funny.

    You pose as a literate poster with great intelligence. The type of person whom everyone should listen to because you are so clever.

    Man Utd before Ferguson comparison:

    8 league titles – Arsenal
    7 league titles – Man Utd
    7 league titles – Aston Villa
    6 league titles – Sunderland
    4 league titles – Newcastle
    4 league titles – Sheff Wed

    I’m sure you’ll agree not above ordinary before Ferguson. Compare that across Europe and you’ll see it is how ordinary it is.

    FA Cup pre Ferguson comparison:

    Man Utd – 6 FA Cups
    Newcastle – 6 FA Cups
    Blackburn – 6 FA Cups

    Again nothing to shout about before Sir Alex.

    European Cup pre Ferguson comparison:

    Real Madrid – 6 cups
    Liverpool – 4 cups
    Bayern – 3 cups
    Ajax – 3 cups
    Man Utd – 1 cup

    Erm….

    I think I have shown you are wrong. Don’t get me wrong, the are a big club and always have been but they were not above ordinary until Ferguson came in.

    Go back to bed.

  • 119 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    @stuart
    That’s the problem mate to many people will just accept the tripe being served up.I used to love match days now it just leaves a sour taste

  • 120 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    beattie25@92 ——- no you can stop now ! i think you have hit the nail on the head in 1 word !

  • 121 Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    When it comes to our owners intentions I know who I believe we have on outside my childhood hero KK who is passionate about NUFC in the middle we have a respected QC appointed to investigate claims of wrong doing and on the dark side we have owl faced wanna be gangster Derek Llambias,I think the 2M payout and danming report show who was right.

  • 122 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Stuart

    Thanks. I was preparing a few thousand more.

  • 123 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    @Solano
    Sorry mate forgot the accounts I’ll get my scarf ready meet you there

  • 124 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    I find it incredible that you have chosen this subject as the subject that you wish to support your argument with.

    I say; Man Utd have always been a massive club. I would think this is obvious to anyone who is a student of the game.

    You say; Man Utd weren’t a massive club before Sir Alex arrived.

    I suppose Bobby Charlton is a figment of my imagination. Isn’t he an ambassador of some sort for Man Utd? And isn’t he the chap who has helped promoted Englands’ bid for the World Cup? Yes, that’s the fella.

    George Best banging in those goals in the European Cup final must be all in my head too.

    In all seriousness though, Beattie. I see a major flaw in your argument.

  • 125 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Someone on Twitter reminded me of this beauty. Pardew in November 2012:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20183213

  • 126 solano // May 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    Daz…there is actually a bus booked for the parade. All you need is a pin-striped suit, a bowler hat and a brief case. Fancy it? Champagne reception at SJP entrance.

  • 127 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM

    Man Utd have always been behemoths of the English game with world renowned players.

    Your argument has no foundations, my lad.

  • 128 Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Can anybody tell me a manager other than an unemployed relegation monger or a man with a seriousvheart defect that wouldn’t have walked last summer.

  • 129 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    beattie25 @ 107 — looks a decent bunch to me mate !

  • 130 Jail for Ashley // May 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    Solano ,
    What’s happening,is it really an open top parade for turning a profit,wowzer the streets will be mobbed .

  • 131 Munster Mag // May 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    So can someone who goes to home games or away games a lot, explain to me what the situation is with regards to Pardews popularity? Is he getting away with it because people blame Ashley for the summer mess ( which was supported by plenty of muppets on here ) or do people see his as being too negative and a bad coach ?

  • 132 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    @Solano
    Can I get all that at sports direct in the sale

  • 133 solano // May 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM

    Beattie and Ernesto..howay, man. You are arguing about the merits and size of the Mancs. You both have made some valid points
    ( Good Grief, I’m starting to sound like Ibiza!)
    Until 1967, Newcastle United held the all time record for average attendances and were considered one of the very biggest clubs, as we were briefly in the 1990′s and 00′s. If we must argue and debate, let’s not drift off the subject of NUFC’s demise.

  • 134 solano // May 6, 2013 at 3:02 PM

    Daz…Moss Bros. for the suit pal. ;-)
    All ‘real’ and ‘proper’ trainee accountants and Ashley fans should be in attendance. It’s a ‘must be there’ event

  • 135 Munster Mag // May 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM

    Cab someone answer 131 please….I have to go out for a walk with the wife and kids….

  • 136 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    solano — mmm — geoffery yeah ?, 30,000, yeah?

    could this be another one of your cunning plans perhaps ?

  • 137 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 6, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    @Solano
    Will I have to subscribe for the next 10 years because that’s gonna be our highlights of our season for the foreseeable future

  • 138 ErnestHemingway // May 6, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    I agree that man. Lets put this to bed. Man Utd are mahoosive.

  • 139 Beattie25 // May 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Ernest

    You profess some intellect but your intelligence is a creation of your own imagination.

    You sir have a case of self delusion. You own perceived grandeur is polluting your imbecilic words and your opinion is falling deaf on open ears.

    You’re resorting to Machiavellian tactics to avoid the embarrassment of being wrong and that is the shallowest form of intelligence.

    I wish you would pipe down and submit your misgivings but you shall continue on trying to manipulate history and twist the words of others to try and fight this battle in what is a winless war.

    Why don’t you go off to old trafford to support the club you hold in such high regard? You’d be better suited there with the rest of the prawn sandwich brigade.

    You talk of players like they make the history of the club. Does having Bobby Moore at West Ham make them massive? New York Cosmos had Pele once. Napoli had Maradona. The list goes on of major superstatrs pplaying for clubs with solid historis but are not considered major forces in world football.

    At times pre Ferguson Man Utd could be considered a major club, but they could also be considered a small one. Dennis Law back heel to relegate them. ‘springs to mind’.

    You are a man caught in his own hype. An aspiring journalist perhaps? Someone who dreams of creating his own blog? A writer of the future?

    You can learn all the words you want to, you can be taught how letters create sentences and how to correctly put them together in order to form cohesive points in the beauty of the English language.

    One thing you can never be taught is how to win an argument. If you try to start it you best be confident you can win it.

    Man Utd before Ferguson were a big club but they were not above average in terms of heritage and history here in the UK.

    You cannot argue that point by throwing names into the mix you spouter of buncombe, you huge cacafuego, you sycophantic piece of shit.

  • 140 stuart no9 // May 6, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    munster@ 131- i really cant answer that ! ( thats helpful )

    It surprised me more than anything at the liverpool game , that pards was spared the abuse i was certain was heading his way, I found it very strange the way the fans reacted , bearing in mind , we have got 1 or 2 the sack after a verbal attack . so maybe we are just getting more polite as fans – or just getting used to the circus that has been pour life for the past 5 years.
    Would any of the top 6 or 7 clubs supporters take this lying down ? i doubt it !

  • 141 LeToonARMY // May 6, 2013 at 3:23 PM

    I got a feeling if we mess up at QPR it will be because of PARDEW, I hope Moussa and Anita can come on for Tiote and Guttirez ONLY if we are winning Pardew. we cant afford to make no mistakes as Locic Remy would love to score a few against us !!!
    ________________Eliot_______________
    ___Debuchy___Taylor__Collo___Yanga__
    ____Cabaye_____Tiote_____Guttirez____
    ____HBA______CISSE_____GOUFRAN_

    Subs
    Simpson
    Perch
    Moussa
    Anita
    Campbell

  • 142 hibbitonthewing // May 6, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    Beattie25.
    You do talk some trollish noise at times but more often than not cause me to hesitate before I (rarely) post.
    But ‘cacafuego’ in a football blog has my utter admiration.
    My new favourite word.
    Awesome.

    Meanwhile a point of view.
    Ernest writes well and from the heart but I fear has just gone too far with blinkers on.
    As I’ve previously posted I’m of the sceptic turned supporter turned head-in hands brigade re Pardew.

    Ashleigh – think he’s delivered on expectations from day one: Made some godawful decisions that have no place in football or SJP. Learned from them(ish) and put some faith in other ‘experts’ to do their job properly whilst he re-appraises his investment. Take it or leave it – it’s called being an owner.

    Pardew? He can’t execute against his objectives. So he should go. Take the emotion out.

    The players? Showing themselves for what most players are – a set of salaried pros who need direction, pressure and orientation to reach elite levels. Check out Dave Brailsford Sky Sports cycling as a pretty good example of what can be achieved.

    Us? Hope against hope we get the right results till the season ends.

    Then get a group of people(coaches) to ignite the spark behind this team that really could be seriously competitive. The analogy has been used before but the ingredients are there. They’re unfortunately currently being massacred by at least one greasy spoon chef.

  • 143 Billythefish // May 6, 2013 at 5:52 PM

    Owner is a Chancer,MD is a chancer, Manager is a chancer, coaches are chancers that’s why we are in this predicament.




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