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Lee Clark – Fergie Has Been Brilliant For Us

10:50 am, Tuesday, May 7th, 2013 by Ed Harrison · 118 Comments

Lee Clark took Shane Ferguson on loan in February, and the Derry-born player appeared  11 times with one goal for Birmingham City,  and he got some rave reports for his play over the last couple of  months.

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Shane Ferguson – brilliant at Birmingham

And former Newcastle player and coach Lee Clark, who is now the Birmingham City manager, has heaped praise on the 21 year-old Northern Ireland International today in the Evening Chronicle:

“Fergie has been brilliant for us – both at left wing and left-back.” “He has made goals and scored goals too.”

“He has been a breath of fresh air, to be honest.” “We would not hesitate in taking him back next season if the chance came up.”

That sounds like a player Newcastle could do with in the last two games of the season – doesn’t it.

And Shane himself has talked about his very successful loan spell:

“I have heard what the manager has said.” “It is good to hear. It gives me a lot of confidence.” “It is great for me as a player, to help me try to progress as a player.”

“At the moment it is just about playing and hopefully keeping it going.” “I just want to play games. I have enjoyed my time here at Birmingham.” “Everyone has made me feel welcome.”

We expect Shane to be on the bench at QPR on Sunday, and he may get to play on the left-wing in the second half to provide some of those pinpoint crosses for Papiss Cisse.

And Sammy Ameobi is also back in the Newcastle squad – after his koan spell at Middlesbrough – where he made 9 appearances with one goal, and will also be available.

It will be interesting to see if Sammy makes the bench on Sunday, after  18 year-old striker Adam Campbell has been on the bench in the last few games.

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Tags: Adam Campbell · Loan Moves · Newcastle News · Sammy Ameobi · Shane Ferguson





118 responses so far ↓

  • 1 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 10:53 AM

    I’d have Fergie in the side before Jonas, as he has the work rate we need plus is a far greater threat going forward who can actually cross the ball

  • 2 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 7, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    I am going for a 3-0 victory at QPR

  • 3 Rainrix // May 7, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Sage… Yup i think a lot of people have been wanting santon further up for a while now especially with haidara coming in. He’s a great outlet and is really good at dribbling out of defence which is a great asset. Course thats all dependent on us staying up and pardew going. Its obvious that pardews not one for innovation and experimentation.

  • 4 Black and White with an army lol // May 7, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Fergie could be like bale if trained properly, he has the potential to become a great player but under Pard’s i very much doubt it.

  • 5 Black and White with an army lol // May 7, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Indian Magpie

    wish i had your faith mate

  • 6 Spoof // May 7, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    JB, having Fergie in the side ahead of Jonas would be a poor player replacing a poor player, however I would rather have the poor player with experience than the poor one without it, experience could be vital for us in the next 2 games, it would be unfair to put Fergie into the mess which we are currently in.

  • 7 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 7, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Black and White with an army lol

    Trust me, it will help our GD too. I think swansea will get atleast a pont today.

  • 8 WWYCD // May 7, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    He’ll save our season then! Nar not really but good on him for little jaunt to Birmingham

    QPR will have 5 injuries currently according to physioroom notably to Cesar, Bosingwa and Samba though Sambas return is dated as the 12th so he could feature against us hopefully not though still wont be a easy game but we have more than enough to be able to beat them and near enough secure our PL football next season

  • 9 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    sammy shouldn’t be near the team.

    A few friends are boro fans and they said other than his first two games he did nothing, was lazy on the pitch and had little to offer for a pass/shot, only positive is he has quick feet but no end product so wasted.

    Very much like when he played for us, needs another season out to see if he can develop that final pass.

  • 10 Spoof // May 7, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Indian Magpie, 3-0 and Swansea getting at least a point, do you really believe that or is it wishful thinking ?

  • 11 WWYCD // May 7, 2013 at 11:04 AM

    Fergie could be like Bale?! I’ll take some of whatever ur having mate

  • 12 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Spoof

    How can you say he’s a poor player???

    Technically he’s very good, has a great turn of pace, a work ethic that would but most of our starting 11 to shame, he tracks back, he can score goals and he can cross the ball and unlike Jonas he wouldn’t just be a passenger who constantly gives the ball away.

    Under any other manager Jonas would have the warmest arse in football as he wouldn’t get off the bench and Fergie would have been used instead of being shipped out of loan when we have a very small squad

  • 13 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    Jimmysmith

    How the f..k is Martinez the Spanish Pardew? Dumbest comment ever.
    Martinez teams play football, Pardew’s don’t.
    Remember our 4-0 last season when they out passed us to death like a mini Barcelona.

    Martinez has never had money like Pardew (20M in January) and ok they may finally go down this year but it is a miracle how he’s kept them up year after year with no money and all their best players (N’Zogbia, Palacios, Moses etc) always being sold on.

  • 14 Big Pappa Cissé // May 7, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    It tells you something when this lad can already deliver a ball better than Gutierrez despite being a decade younger. Just hope we can leave him there for another season and not have to use him ourselves in the Championship.

  • 15 Spoof // May 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    TS, in all honesty m8, I think Sammy needs a career out of Newcastle and not just a season, he is hopeless

  • 16 jayphoto // May 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    Sammy definately needs another loan move, think his redeeming factor is that he has a great attitude and is said to be one of the hardest working on the training ground! For fergie i think hes good enough to be a squad player! He has more assists for us this season than jonas and only 1 less than HBA! His crossing ability is decent and he usually creates chances with his pace and crosses! Expect to see him coming off the bench

  • 17 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    rainnrix

    Its obvious that pardews not one for innovation and experimentation.

    IN A NUTSHELL

  • 18 Big Pappa Cissé // May 7, 2013 at 11:12 AM

    @ rotonda

    Exactly m8 . You didn’t see them go 1-0 up against us at home then just try to sit on it for the rest of the game. No they kept passing and moving then they won it comfortably. Martinez is twice the manager Pardew will ever be and plays attractive football with inferior players than us. I pray Wigan go down so we can nab him despite what he said about Mcmanaman.

  • 19 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    spoof

    Agree, much like his brother he has ability but for whatever reason can only show it 5% of the time and the rest he is lazy, doesn’t work hard and press the ball or make many runs.

    I think a loan with the ultimatum of sort yourself out or you are gone will give him one final chance and if nothing else gives him a chance to impress another club at that level to get a new club.

  • 20 Slank // May 7, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Transfer Sage,

    A repost:

    I believe that the principal reason why the team appears so defensive is a collective lack of confidence.

    When players lose their confidence they become cautious which often has a Catch 22 effect in that they start to lose games which makes them even more cautious resulting in an ever increasing decline in performance and results.

    We see it every year with the teams at the bottom of the table. There are many reasons why so many of our players have lost their confidence. Some of these reasons possibly include (a) too many games (b) playing when not fully fit (c) trying to integrate too many new players all at once (d) too many new players not ‘up to speed’ with the Premiership and (e) too many key players out injured too often.

    Cabaye and Tiote have been poor this season, well below their abilities. Sissoko, Debuchy and Yanga-Mbiwa are not yet fully acclimatised to the Premiership, similar to Colo when he first started playing for us. Haidara just isn’t good enough, yet. Injuries to Ben Arfa, Marveaux, Santon, Raylor, Vu?ki?, Krul and Colo have exacerbated an already shaky situation with so many rookies trying to find their Premiership feet alongside experienced players off form.

    I would like to think that the situation will improve in the next two games but these things take time to turnaround and we don’t have that luxury.

  • 21 Rainrix // May 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM

    Sammy looks like he has the same affliction as his brother, occasional brilliance mired by crippling inconsistency. Give him another season long loan. If he can improve and show consistency than keep a hold of him. If not ship him out and lets not give ourselves another 15 year ameobi sentence.

  • 22 Rainrix // May 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Rotonda… Running out of ways to berate pardew really. Everything’s pretty much been covered before. :)

  • 23 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Spoof

    Trust me I believe it.

    Its not a spoof.

  • 24 ToonDownSouth // May 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    If/when we go down, does anyone think Pardew will be fired?

    And which of our players do you think would stay?

    Honestly, I’m not usually so downbeat about everything, but I don’t think we have a hope in hell of staying up. I can’t see us scoring a goal against QPR, and I can’t see Swansea beating Wigan tonight.

  • 25 Spoof // May 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    JB, if Fergie is that good then why is he not in the team, Santon should be a winger imo, but he has kept Fergie out of the side easily, a couple of seasons ago I was really hopeful for him, but he has not improved and at his age he should be improving rapidly, Haidara has looked out of his depth so far, but I feel he has the attributed to develope into a good player, give him time and I’m sure he will be a regular LB for us, he was brought in because Fegie will not develope into premier league class, Fergie might get a load of games next season as he is a championship player, so lets hope he doesn’t

  • 26 jayphoto // May 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    I’d say the worst thing about this season is that from January, Pardew has had a squad to choose from that is arguably as strong as the squad Bobby Robson had and way stronger than any nufc manager has had in the last 8 years! Colo, MYM, Cabaye and HBA are worldclass players and sissoko, Cisse, Debuchy, krul , anita and Tiote are all close to world class when on form and are regulars in their national teams!Add that to taylor, santon, Marveaux and Gouffran who are all very good players too, add that to solid squad players like simmo, jonas, perch, elliott and it should be criminal this squad is where it is!

  • 27 Oldgit1 // May 7, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    @ rotunda post 17. Spot on. Totally agree.

    Sammi is not going to make it, I have had chats with boro fans who will be glad to see the back of him, he lived off that goal in his first game and thought he had done enough. A bit arrogant in his nature. No real skill. They would prefer his brother.

  • 28 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Spoof

    Fergie isn’t in the team as Pardew is incapable/afraid of dropping Jonas even though the guy is a passenger. But I wouldn’t play him as a full back as he isn’t suited to that position so the Haidara comparison doesn’t stand up for me. I’d play him as a winger, imagine that, a winger who can actually cross the ball

  • 29 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Spoof

    And as regards of his development over the past few season’s. Perch aside, (who has gone from poor to average), not one single player has developed under Pardew, in fact most have gone backwards

  • 30 WWYCD // May 7, 2013 at 11:25 AM

    TDS
    No I dont see him being sacked and stop being so negative man we can score goals Cisses been banging them in recently they just have been wrongfully chalked off and QPR are as crap as us but with less flashes of brilliance

    JB
    Tbf Fergie hasn’t been in the team because hes really not all that good

  • 31 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    slank

    I think we have been a defensive team under pardew during his full 2 1/2 years here other than maybe 10 matches.

    He is a poor manager who cannot coach and makes up for it by keeping 10 men behind the ball.

    A good manager can have a team attack but still offer a solid base, with Pardew we have no consistency in attack or defense, it’s just get bodies back, no real plan how to stop teams.

  • 32 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    WWYCD

    I’d rather see him playing than Jonas who has been poor for far too long but still gets a game. People say that Jonas is in the side because of his work rate, but that should be a given at this level.

  • 33 toon252 // May 7, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    READ THIS

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but have any of you looked at the league table?

    If we lose on Sunday, and Norwich and Wigan win, we will be relegated.

    The reason I say this is because our goal difference is worse than everyone else’s. We would have to beat Arsenal by 3-4 clear goals to have a chance of staying up.

    That’s not going to happen!

  • 34 Spoof // May 7, 2013 at 11:33 AM

    JB, in fairness to Pardew, Krul has played the best football of his career under Pardew, and many say the same goes for Colo, Santon is supposed to be developing as a fullback ( I can’t see it with Colo or Santon, but others can ), Ben Arfa is more consistant ( when fit ) Cabaye has gone from being a really good player to one of Europe’s best midfielders, and when he played for us, as good as he was before he joined us Ba had his best days when with us, so to suggest that all players apart from Perch have failed to improve is a bit rough, over the last few weeks yes, I would agree with that, but generally that’s a bit unfair

  • 35 toonluvva // May 7, 2013 at 11:34 AM

    Shane Ferguson is our future whereas Jonas is fast becoming our past. It’s the nature of football.

    I’d put him on the bench for the last 2 matches to get the experience of a PL dogfight. He’ll certainly need it as if we avoid the drop this season, we’ll be back in it next time round if Llambias & Pardew stay.

  • 36 WWYCD // May 7, 2013 at 11:35 AM

    JB
    Maybe so but neither are going to offer all that much but Jonas has a lot more experience and opens his mouth

    toon252
    What u mean we might get relegated? I didnt realize that, thanks for informing me

  • 37 Oldgit1 // May 7, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Re Jonas: I believe a lot of you bloggers who knock him don’t realise how much of an asset he is to the team. His work rate is phenomenal and shows up a lot of his fellow team mates. He is also a minder for a lot of the defence players ie an outlet or tracking back to help them.

    He has nuisance value whereby he try’s to retrieve the ball off the opposing players.

    He is no longer a winger infact can’t remember him flying up the wing and putting a good cross in. He is a CDM and does make a contribution to the team.

    His holdup play is brilliant, he can fall down like a pack of cards when tackled and earns us a free kick, the stats of the most fouled player is there for all to see. So this would suggest that other teams see him as a threat.

    All hail Jonas. Don’t knock him.

    Hwtl

  • 38 carl // May 7, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    headtheball
    So your a lifetime fan. I can only remember Beardsley of all the greats you mentioned . You have the somewhat rare distinction on here of remembering us win the FA cup 3 times in 5 years and the Fairs Cup in 1969. I had you down as a mate of the troubled Ruddy just playing his dark mood games. So it was a pleasant surprise to find that your a Newcastle aficionado. Given the time difference are you in Australia?
    It really doesn’t matter we need all the help we can get. HWTL

  • 39 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Pardew harping on about not being able to compete with the big boys all season may have had an affect on those players who consider themselves good enough to compete with said big boys.

  • 40 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    wwycd

    I think you’ll find the only one being negative is Pardew with his ultra-defensive formations while we are powerless to stop his inspired train crash.

    Pardew has got previous after all with 2 other clubs and now us.

    If you continue to make excuses for Pardew in the inexcusable position we are in now, then any credibility you may think you have will be well and truly shot.

    We’re not rubbish for a few disallowed goals , we have been rubbish for 36 games. We’re way beyond ifs, buts and maybes.

  • 41 yo-yo // May 7, 2013 at 11:42 AM

    Slank@20

    The collective confidence thing also takes in Pardew and the coaching team.
    Pardew has lost the plot somewhat with his recent pronouncements and I take this to be that he himself has been hit very hard by the dismal on field showings.
    Any reasonable person will have self doubt at times and the Catch 22 argument sums up why it spirals downwards – the players’ abilities haven’t changed but their mideset is as losers – so they lose.

    This is why I have argued loudly for a specialist sports psychologist – for the last few games. Ba in a London Hotel isn’t enough. It is a professional game. Liverpool have the UK Olympic cycling team sports psychologist and that is what a good manager would be doing at the Toon – getting in top quality support and not just blagging it.
    Look at the difference Andy Murray’s coach Lendl has made.

  • 42 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Spoof

    Cabaye is a shadow of the player that played for Lille or the one that played here in his first season, the same for Tiote. Santon is no better than what he was when he joined us. Colo looks like the player we had when we came back into the league under CH and HBA is HBA. Krul has looked a class player from the day he made is debut and any development would be down to Andy Woodman and not Pardew and Ba has scored goals everywhere he’s played.

    So I don’t think it’s harsh on Pardew and his coaches

  • 43 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Spoof

    Krul has been class for over 7 years when he started v Palermo. Pardew certainly hasn’t worked on his distribution any.

    Colo didn’t cost 10M+ for nothing and didn’t get relegated or close to it in Spain

  • 44 WWYCD // May 7, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    Rotonda
    And it what way have I rattled ur cage today?

    I didnt make an excuse for anyone I pointed out a fact, we scored goals that weren’t given or have I missed something there?

    And as I have told u before I couldnt care less about ur opinion of me or where u feel my credibility level is at on a given day. This is a NUFC blog for sharing views and urs are no more important than anyone elses just as mine aren’t

  • 45 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    yo yo

    lendl is a good analogy but Pardew tells us , no, he insists ”he is a winner” !!

  • 46 Sav // May 7, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    A word of praise for Pardew for moving so many of our youngsters out to play real football either in the SPL, Championship or First Division. About time we did this instead of the usual languishing in the stiffs to be released end of season. Far better.

  • 47 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-not-only-ones-3413663?

  • 48 Hatem's better than Messi // May 7, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    @Sav

    He only did it after blaming them all for our FA Cup exit.
    It is a good idea, the best way to improve is by playing competitive matches.

  • 49 Hatem's better than Messi // May 7, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Chrome warning me about malware through one of the ad providers on Chronicle’s website … bloody ads … does anyone ever click on them? I don’t.

  • 50 GenralHez // May 7, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    I believe we will pick up 4 points and end up 14th or better.

    Going forward we need fitness coaches that actually get the players fit, probably from a different sport like rugby, and a manager who can develop the players to their best potential, plays the players in the best position for them and not out of position to accommodate one of his favorites and starts every game with a belief we can win it.
    Also, please no Carol which will lead to more hoof ball.

    Never a dull moment at the Toon.

  • 51 Rotonda heights // May 7, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    wwycd

    I believe you were calling people negative?

    Sorry I just get a bit p..d off with people still finding excuses for Pardew as we sink in to the abyss with our best squad for years and equally our worst manager I can ever recall.

    It’s a bit more than a couple of disallowed goals that finds us where we are now

    You’re a bit defensive there for someone who doesn’t care what people think.

    But hey you’re right it is a forum and I guess we just have to realise there are people who think they are right and others who know they are.

  • 52 toon kk // May 7, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    What a poor spineless season we’ve had, no grit or determination, poor management and not enough effort by the players. BA is our biggest miss now. Good job we had him first half of the season or we would have been bottom of the league. Just hope we beat qpr because Arsenal will rip us apart.

  • 53 jordijohnty // May 7, 2013 at 12:05 PM

    Dean Saunders to replace Pardew for next season when we are in the championship. His record of getting teams relegated is very speedy, something Pardew can’t quite manage. Look, it’ll be easier for all of us if you just accept that when we go down, its going to take a long time to get back into the premier league. Thank you for all you have achieved, Mr Pardew

  • 54 beefman13 // May 7, 2013 at 12:07 PM

    Spoof, u talk about wanting experience, the lasttime we went down we opted for that option, and its that experience that has got us in another mess. fergie is a quality kid who was made a scapegoat by Pardew imo, he still has 4 assists more than Jonas, better player younger and hungrier than Jonas, just get the ball out to the lad more often, hardly ever wastes it like Jonas either.

  • 55 WWYCD // May 7, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Rotonda
    I was calling TDS negative for his comment and hes someone I regularly interact with on here (and tbf saying we wont pick up another point this season is a pretty negative outlook when theres a lot of football to be played and no one can see the future)

    And I agree its a lot more than disallowed goals that see us where we are but TDS said he doesnt see where goals will come from and my point was Cisse has been scoring they just havn’t been given so despite the score lines we have been scoring goals and giving up on that is premature.

    As for defensive maybe a little yes but more because this isnt the first time u have taken an unprovoked shot at me..am beginning to think u have a problem with me :)

  • 56 jordijohnty // May 7, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    I dont care how good jonas is defensively, I want our wide player to be fast and skillfull and threatening, with a good delivery not to pass it backwards when in an attacking role. One of the many reasons we have created such a pitiful amount of chances

  • 57 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 7, 2013 at 12:13 PM

    This is what i said a few weeks ago.

    pardew does not seem to recognise the problem, how the hell do we expect him to change that!!!!!!!!!!

    I don’t know whether its the pressure getting to me or something else, but he seems to be getting worse.

  • 58 spitfire_ // May 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM

    3 assists in 3 games and Pardew send him on loan… but keep Jonas with his… I don’t know 1 assist in last 70 games?

  • 59 Le Belfast 007 // May 7, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Jonas is so good defensively that we’ve got the worst defence in the league lol Passenger all season long, shouldn’t be anywhere near the team.

  • 60 jayphoto // May 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM

    Jonas is a player who is suited better to a position much more used in Italy than the premier league! Its called defensive winger! Udinese use it regularly, it’s where the wide mudfielder/wingers job is primarily to protect an over attacking, usually fast full back and to find said full back on the overlap! Closest thing in the premier league is how everton use pienaar and baines! Always thought we’d suit a 3 centre backs, 2 wing backs, 3 in midfield, 2 up top (or 1 up top with HBA just behind) debuchy and santon would look good as wing backs, cabaye, sissoko and tiote/jonas is strong in the middle and cisse and gouffran/hba would offer threat up top

  • 61 Black and White Blood // May 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    (repost)

    To switch things up, what about:

    Elliot

    Simpson – Collo – Saylor – Yanga-M’biwa

    Debuchy – Cabaye – Sissoko – Ferguson

    Cissé – Ben Arfa

    4-4-2 might just be the way out of this if we can get some decent crosses in. And Debuchy and Ferguson know how to do that, and both can get stuck in when they have to.

  • 62 spitfire_ // May 7, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Le Belfast 007 @59

    Even with “defensively good Jonas” our defence is total joke this season… so Fergie at least can provide this which bring the victories – assists.

  • 63 toon kk // May 7, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    I hope we don’t do a Wolves if we get relegated, which is looking highly likely. With all our best players gone and Pardew still in charge, I can’t see MA sacking him with him being a yes man he fits nicely in. I know its sounds negative but I feel so p—d off what a shambles.

  • 64 Ketsbaia9 // May 7, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    I’d be happy to keep Shane and Abeid on the books. Maybe we should let them go out on loan again next season. We need to invest in quality if we stay up.

    Want to see 3 new strikers signed so we don’t have a problem scoring goals. Benteke, Remy and Zarate would be ideal.

  • 65 martoon // May 7, 2013 at 12:49 PM

    Sometimes you need some light relief – this made me smile :)
    http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/exclusive-alan-pardews-unique-8-year-contract-pay-off-clause-revealed/

  • 66 Beattie25 // May 7, 2013 at 12:58 PM

    I hope Pardew realises that 1-0 against QPR will not be enough.

    We really need to try and stuff them to boost that goal difference.

    I have the feeling that he and the majority of the Pardew supporters club will settle for 1-0.

    I swear if we go down on goal difference I will hunt you all down.

  • 67 Ketsbaia9 // May 7, 2013 at 1:01 PM

    Might put £250 on Fulham to go down at 50-1. Will get me £12,500

  • 68 toon22 // May 7, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    @martoon
    lol thats funny :)
    @Beattie
    Agree but 1-0 is a good start need to win first

    Atm Wigan need to win tonight,id rather have the 3 point than the game in hand.

  • 69 Beattie25 // May 7, 2013 at 1:08 PM

    I’m seeing a lot of ‘no matter what I’m still nufc’ at the moment as people try to convince themselves that relegation isn’t that bad.

    I wish I could tell those people how detrimental to the club you are.

    Clubs in lower leagues try to reach the PL because they know that should they get there they will see attendance figures boom.

    Ashley sits there knowing that patriots will turn up to the matches no matter what. That is a price we pay for many fans passion.

    Don’t get me wrong, I have as much passion as anyone but I’m not stupid enough to blindly walk into the ground despite our league status.

    If we go down, I’m staying away.

    I will not bu any merchandise and I will not attend games until Ashley is gone as well as Pardew and Llambias, and I suggest most of you do the same.

    We can only hurt his pockets, and that is all he cares about.

    I would happily walk around with my NUFC shirt and be proud to wear the colours. I would walk into any pub and watch ever match and cheer on the boys, I will even go to away games where the majority of money goes to the opposition but I will not idly sit by and watch the club bounce around whilst the only people that suffer are us.

    I will always support NUFC but I don’t have to pander to our owner and fill his coffers with my hard earned money.

    I hope that many others will do this. Last time we went down I had great pride in the fact we had 50 000 people in the stadium, this time I’d be embarrassed.

    We will have a championship sponsor, we will have championship revenues, a championship manager and we would have a championship team but the premiership support in the premiership stadium will give the owner a premiership turnover.

  • 70 ToonDownSouth // May 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Beattie

    Our form is the worst in the league – I’d be over the moon with 1-0 after the dross we’ve served up all season. It’s nothing to do with a ‘Pardew supporters club’ – it’s a case of knowing how bad we are.

    If you’re expecting some sort of amazing performance all of a sudden, or Pardew to have a complete change of personality with 2 games to go, then you’re in for disappointment.

    In other news, am I right in thinking that tonight could see us in the drop zone for the first time this season? Can’t see us getting out again if so.

  • 71 cockneymagpie90 // May 7, 2013 at 1:09 PM

    Simpson-taylor-colo-mbiwa
    Debuchy-anita-cabaye-santon
    —————benarfa——————
    ———————-cisse—————–

  • 72 archaeomag // May 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    @ mart 65
    very good – I almost smiled!!

  • 73 Beattie25 // May 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    toon22

    The form Wigan are in I expect they will thrive of this game in hand.

  • 74 Jackel001 // May 7, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    I have a feeling that Norwich will go down. They have West Brom at home next ( west brom will want to get back on form) and City away ( says it all) If we can get 3 points then I believe we will be ok and if Wigan get beat tonight then even more so.

  • 75 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 1:11 PM

    Beattie25

    A 1-0 win would do right now as I have no faith in us even getting that. :(

  • 76 Beattie25 // May 7, 2013 at 1:12 PM

    TDS

    It’s not the performance it’s the desire I want to see.

    I don’t want us to go 1-0 up and settle for that.

    1-0 is good but I personally will not be happy unless we go for the jugular.

  • 77 ToonDownSouth // May 7, 2013 at 1:13 PM

    Jack

    Agreed. All this about how we’ll stuff them is a load of rubbish – I can’t see us scoring another goal this season, so a 0-0 would be a fair shout.

  • 78 carl // May 7, 2013 at 1:16 PM

    Jail
    There are times when you only just fall short of demanding Ashley should stand trial in the Hague but you’ve missed a trick. Surely in blaming Ashley for not financing new players in the summer not only did this impact on our league showing but the Europa as well.
    Having watched. Benfica know a few times it was quite an achievement to come so close to beating them. We clearly with a much longer player settling in period could have gone all the way.
    If we are relegated Ashley has much to answer for yet again but let’s
    Draw up the full charge sheet.

  • 79 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    TDS

    And the worst thing of all mate, that if this squad was in the hands of another manager, one that actually new what the hell he was doing, I would expect us to go the QPR and batter them, but saying that under a better manager we wouldn’t be in this position in the first place

  • 80 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Beattie

    Ideally we get a big win but the way we are playing I’d take 1-0 right now if it was offered.

    Like the weekend, I thought a point was ok as it kept us level with Norwich and Sunderland but the shocking this is that the team settled for the point.

    If we had attacked and gone for the win but drew if have accepted it as a good point, the way we got it by defending the full 2nd half and time wasting was a total joke.

  • 81 ToonDownSouth // May 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    Beattie

    I agree, but I just can’t see it. It’s not his style – and if Pardew in anything it’s set in his ways. It’s so heartbreaking to see those matches on Sunday – all the other teams around us going all out for a victory, and us (despite controlling the entire first half) bringing on Shola and Gosling for HBA and Gouffran and keeping our fingers crossed for a 0-0. What makes it even worse is that it paid off for them all, making our point a negative.

    This mentality in football is going out of fashion. Pulis does it really well but even then the Stoke fans want him gone, I just hope it doesn’t cost us all.

  • 82 martoon // May 7, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    Beattie – Surely any win and avoid relegation at all costs is what we want – there will be plenty of time for recriminations, sackings etc. afterwards in the close season.

  • 83 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 1:21 PM

    Oldgit

    Not sure how you can defend Jonas. As a DM he does an ok job but he is far from our best DM, probably 5th choice.

    I think he passes on players to other instead of tracking them which is terrible for a defensive player.

    He is often used wide anyway but made to sit in his own half. He is a very poor player and no good teams have players like that in those areas. He shouldn’t be a prem league player as far as I am concerned.

  • 84 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    Unless we win both of our last two games by a 5 goal margin we will definitely be relegated and everyone associated with Newcastle, from the owner to the fans, should be lined up and shot.

    Been busy the past few days, so thought I’d share a little bit of optimism with you.

    Everyone out, nobody in!

  • 85 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM

    TDS

    Yeh pardew annoys me with his incomplete.

    1. He plays a horrible style of football which really doesn’t shutout players and no good teams use these days

    2. The man is a buffoon and can’t even get his horrible style to work. Seems incapable of playing the players to even suit his negative style. If you want defensive football play defensive players, not attacking ones in defensive positions.

    The man has totally lost the plot at the minute. I hope we are safe going into the final day (or was good as safe) so he can herald 52,000 tell him where to go

  • 86 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM

    TDS

    My post made no sense

    Should say Pardews incompetence and then say suit our not shutout

  • 87 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 1:28 PM

    Ibiza

    Good day sir.

    I see you are as optimistic as ever. I still fancy a win at qpr and for Norwich to not pick up another point which should see us home safe.

    But results are impossible to predict this time of year with any level of certainty.

  • 88 Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand // May 7, 2013 at 1:31 PM

    TS…How’s tricks? I know times are tough right now, but cannot believe the way people have already written us off. It’s hard, but there has to be some faith left, even just a little.

    Predicting results or how good a performance should be is passed for this season. Just need points and to not be relegated, the rest can and has to wait.

    Can’t believe Sunderland last night. Going to see my mate who is a Stoke fan later and beat him senseless! W*nk*rs.

    As for today, go Swansea!

    Right chaps, hope you’re all well. Keep smiling…at least the sun is shining :)

  • 89 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    I would like to see Mike Ashley stand trial in the Hague for crimes against humanity and shot.

  • 90 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    In fact I demand it.

  • 91 aidantoon // May 7, 2013 at 1:35 PM

    I think if Wigan get beat tonight and we get a point this weekend that will be enough as Wigan won’t beat arsenal away next week! This is still very much in our hands.
    When we are safe I would still get rid of pardew as not taking the club forward.

  • 92 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 1:36 PM

    @Jail – Surely the first step is to have Pardew charged with impersonating a football manager? Then work our way up the chain to Llambias and then Ashley?

  • 93 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    JB,
    You’re right we should go fully Nuremburg on the lot of them.

  • 94 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 1:39 PM

    ibiza

    I know we have a chance to stay up I think, a good one too.

    We showed we can keep a clean sheet this week and if you can do that and have players like cabaye, cisse, ben arfa who can all score from nothing or a free kick then you are in with a chance.

    Might not be ideal but we can pick up a win.

  • 95 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM

    @Jail – :D lets take out the minions first and we can then watch the whole rotten lot fall

  • 96 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2013 at 1:45 PM

    JB,
    Llambias first before the weasel gets his hands on the cyanide.

  • 97 JP...from The Rock // May 7, 2013 at 2:11 PM

    repost;

    I was crying out for Mapou last summer, and was overjoyed when we finally got him in January.

    He is a leader alright, and if he stays will become NUFC captain one day. He has shown in a few instances what a great defender he is with some rapid clearances when all the other Toon players were just idle caught ball watching. He is still finding his feet though.

    I just can’t help but wonder what a strong and calm defense we would have if Colo and Mbiwa could have formed a defensive partnership. It’s a shame Colo had to get injured at that time. We wouldn’t be in this mess it he were fit and we had M’biwa too.

    Saylor is a great defender but too erratic for M’biwa who is still learning the English game.

    Colo just rubs off his calmness and him and M’biwa are brilliant readers of the game.

    Perhaps there is a slight chance we survive and it will be most likely thanks to Captain Colo and no one else.

    I am still sceptical about his injury however and a huge part of me feels like he exaggerated his back injury so he could have more time to sort out his family issues. That has cost us dearly whatever the reason, especially since we already had lost out top goal scorer in Demba Ba and not found a replacement

    If we draw against QPR what could we hope for? Cuz’ the way I see it, we will need a miracle to win.

    HWTL

  • 98 JP...from The Rock // May 7, 2013 at 2:17 PM

    Fergie has huge potential. What I liek about him is that he uses his brain on the pitch and moves up the wing if he knows it’s safe to do so unlike Santon.

    Santon sees the goal and forgets his duties as a defender and then walks back when dispossessed. That is something he has to eradicate from his game if he ever wants to be World Class and in the Italy squad.

    Fergie also has great delivery and for a team that loves to whip in crosses that are usually woeful from Gutierrez resulting in no end product, he is just what we need.

    Gutierrez needs to be dropped at half time if he ain’t producing again and fit in Fergie in his place to cause QPR problems in the second half.

    I bet that if Fergie’s on Cisse will score a header from one of his terrific crosses.

    But Pardew won’t do that, he’ll just stick with Guiterrez for the entire match!!

  • 99 Beattie25 // May 7, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    I would stake that if we stay up and he can learn English quick enough Mapou will be our captain next season.

    If not then he’ll be captain of whomever he signs for withing a year.

  • 100 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 2:26 PM

    Beattie

    A true captain is something we have really missed since Nolan left, there are no real leader’s in our squad, or at least there doesn’t seem to be come match day

  • 101 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 2:27 PM

    mapou has been as much of a headless chicken as steven taylor in recent weeks

    may just be settling in as i heard he had a brilliant record in france but for the moment he struggles at CB for us…looked very good at left back.

    I think it’s a case of being new to the league and partnering taylor who is a bit reckless when not alongside a calming figure like colo.

  • 102 Joe Blog // May 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    It’s funny isn’t it, quite possibly the ‘not PL standard’ Danny Simpson will be in the PL with a different team, next season, while we’re scrapping in the Championship!

  • 103 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    jack

    there are no voices our there to rally the lads when under pressure…it’s pathetic that not one of them appears to be vocal and willing to stamp some authority on the team.

    Obviously low confidence and bad results can cause this but that’s when you have somebody who stands up and people follow.

    you are right, we lack that massively.

  • 104 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    joe blog

    never know…we might well survive and he might move onto a championship side.

  • 105 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    @Sage – I only hope that when the language barrier is breached the like’s of Mapou or Sissoko will step up and take the arm band as beyond them I don’t see anyone else able to do it

  • 106 Sack Llambias // May 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Transfer
    I was going to criticise you until you qualified your criticism of Yanga Mbiwa. Taylor’s jack the lad impersonation of a CB has not helped him to settle in .
    Beattie
    Your post on Yanga made no sense, in fact it was nonsense. At this crucial stage of the season most of what you have to say just does not help the cause. Try finding an alternative solution to your negative rumblings.

  • 107 Beattie25 // May 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Sage

    You must’ve seen glimpses of pure quality though in the games he played?

    That is inherent in the entire team. Glimpses of pure excellence but overall shit.

    That has been down to Pardew for me, not allowing the team to play.

    Mapou is better when the team is on the front foot and the opposition is countering, not when we invite pressure with every passing second.

  • 108 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    jack

    Yeh i know, we don’t have a real leader.

    I like the captain to be somebody familiar with the team though or at least a few years in the league if not.

  • 109 Sack Llambias // May 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    And rambling posting with no substance. And you criticise Ernest!!!

  • 110 Beattie25 // May 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Sack Llambias

    You fcuking hypocrite.

    Pipe down before you get slaughtered by my brilliance.

    Pick on someone who is on your level, I’m too much for you to take on alone.

  • 111 Joe Blog // May 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Transfer Sage

    Hope is the last thing to die!

    If we stay up, there needs to be a concerted effort from the fans to eject Pardew, because I don’t think MA will do it without any coercion. I could take the drop and still give NUFC the same amount of dedication I do, Pardew is the scourge I cannot bear, no matter what league we’re in. If he remains I’ll become a more passive supporter until the mob are gone.

  • 112 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    beattie

    I think any defender looks poor when under pressure the way we are, even kompany and vidic as pairing would struggle if a team allowed the opposition to play 90mins in their half.

    Eventually mistakes will happen no matter how good and organised the defense is.

    I like mbiwa, don’t get me wrong, he has looked really good at times, but he seems a little too casual sometimes (which i think is his own fault, maybe not used to this little time on the ball) but there is enough about him to make me think he will be very good for us once he settles in and has a regular partner at CB.

  • 113 JackButler // May 7, 2013 at 2:49 PM

    Saylor would make a very good, maybe even a perfect captain if only he had a brain in his head as opposed to the cobwebs that seem to rattle around in there. He has a big heart and always plays with passion but has no intelligence to temper it.

  • 114 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    Who is having a go at Beattie?

  • 115 Transfer Sage // May 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

    joe

    hopefully we beat qpr, norwich lose and then they need to beat city and for us to lose to send us down.

    Means that during or after the game there can be a lot of noise to show our discontent with Pardew.

  • 116 JP...from The Rock // May 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM

    Our team lacks – on field football intelligence, initiative, imagination and leadership!

    The only player we have that provides all the above, without maybe leadership is HBA.

    To be a real successful team you need more than just one player.

    Perhaps Anita, and Sissoko, Gouffran and to an extent Cabaye fall into that category but have yet to prove it consistently.

    We need them to be playing in their favoured positions.

    Sadly it seems Pardew can’t see this.

  • 117 Sack Llambias // May 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Only if you were the judge and Jury could
    you remotely be seen as brilliant. Stick
    to impressing the punters in the betting shop.

  • 118 Honoured2BNUFC // May 7, 2013 at 10:47 PM

    Would personally love to see Fergie make it-one of my fave players ever Gazza is a big fan of his.




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