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Newcastle Simply Not Good Enough – First Survive – Then Fix It

6:52 pm, Wednesday, May 8th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 341 Comments

We never ever said it was easy to be a fan of Newcastle United Football Club – in fact the club may be one of the hardest clubs to support in the world.

mike ashley and Derek LLambias

Ashley and LLambias – fix things this summer – please!

Newcastle have become the perennial under-achievers in football, having not win a trophy since way back 1969 – and when we looked like we were putting a decent side together – like it looked like we were doing last season – we get a season like this one.

Let’s face it, we’ve lost most if not all of the credibility we built up for our great exploits last season – and we are almost back to square one. And to think we thought it was going to be great being back in Europe and fighting again for a top six position.

How wrong can you be?

Yes – we’ve had a lot of injuries this season – far too many – and yes we played 14 games on a Sunday following a Thursday night game in Europe – often in far away in places like Moscow and the Ukraine.

But that is what the top clubs like Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have done for most of the last few decades – and that’s what you do if you are a top club.

And I just watched Lee Ryder on his video in the Chronicle today talking about last night, and he’s 100% correct and speaks for all Newcastle fans when he says we shouldn’t have to rely on teams like Wigan losing to save our skins – it’s simply not good enough.

So we are still fighting relegation with two games to go – and we had to rely on Wigan Athletic to lose – so we are now three points clear – and remember – it was nothing Newcastle did to save themselves, and a Wigan win would have seen us 3rd bottom today.

And after we were fighting for a top four place last year at this time.

But thank goodness the season is nearly over and this morning I woke up feeling a lot lighter and seemed to have lost some weight overnight – but then remembered what happened last night – a lot of Geordie fans will be feeling a lot lighter today too.

We have one big job still to do before the end of the season – and that is to ensure our safety – and maybe – just maybe – our team can actually get a win (remember what they are – you actually get 3 points from them) on Sunday against an already relegated and supposedly despondent QPR side.

And if we can do that – then great – really great.

But then Mike Ashley must clear out the dead wood, decide which manager he wants to lead Newcastle forward, and then build up our squad this  summer.

A club that has average home gate of over 51,000, deserves a better team than that which is fighting relegation right now and over the last four games have been smashed 3-0 by Sunderland – and 6-0 by Liverpool – and at the Cathedral on the Hill too.

Fact. :(

My father will be turning in his grave.

But hope springs eternal – and we already have high hopes for next season – always assuming we are still in the Premier League.

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341 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 8, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Evening ladies and gentlemen, how are we all?

    First and foremost I’d like to say what a great result that was for us last night, I really thought Wigan would have gotten at least a point so to see them be beaten was fantastic, however I still don’t doubt their capabilities of getting 4 points in their last 2 games so we need to pick up at least 2 points in our last 2.

    However, Pardew should be telling the lads to go hell for leather for the win, don’t let QPR relax, get in their faces, half these players will be leaving in the summer so if we get in their faces they will lie down and surrender in my opinion. We have been handed a golden opportunity to save ourselves, however I fear that Pardew won’t take it, he will more than likely play for the point and then try to contain Arsenal on the last day of the season.

    It’s in our hands, and if we get relegated it will solely be Pardew’s fault, given the fact that we are currently not in the bottom 3 and we are playing a team who are already relegated.

    Forget everything else that has gone on this season, we have 2 games to save ourselves, if Pardew cannot even manage that then he deserves to be sacked.

  • 2 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 6:59 PM

    We could still lose against QPR and have another week of misery.

  • 3 hibbitonthewing // May 8, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    From previous article – repost.
    Lots of angst and soul outpouring today…

    Hardly surprising. Our team is on the verge of relegation/salvation and you want to SCREAM at something to take notice.

    Some pretty clear facts about performances last year – some pretty clear opinions about the quality of football this year and last. And then there’s our league position and goal difference.

    One particular thing intrigues me about Pardew and his coaching ability.

    Under him there have been NO partnerships built through the team. Even Taylor/Colo is just one passionate guy under instruction. Where is the midfield duo, the strike partnership, the wide midfield/full back combo? Great teams – even good ones – have examples of these all over the pitch. A good manager should bring them out. Even with the injuries excuse, I’d expect these partnerships to have been developed through the last 2 seasons.
    Our players are good enough. Something else isn’t.

  • 4 Ben3arfa // May 8, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    At least 80% of fans want PARDEW OUT


  • 5 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 7:03 PM


    And your survey data please ?

  • 6 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:04 PM


    from last article

    I don’t agree we played good football last year. I think we were effective, but for that style to be effective everything has to go our way, which it did last year.

    This year things went against us, injuries being the main one, and Pardew had no answer, tried the same thing with players out of position and it hasn’t worked.

    This year has shown he cannot adapt his tactics and that is what makes me think he isn’t right for the job.

  • 7 spitfire_ // May 8, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Newcastle Simply Not Good Enough – First Survive – Then Fix It

    … with Alain “The wrench” Pardeaux.

  • 8 obatoyou // May 8, 2013 at 7:09 PM

    Teams like man united spend 50 million on players, were lucky to spend 5, it’s hard to come to terms with but unless we spend 100 mill in a summer, we will never have a shot at it~

  • 9 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:11 PM


    evening sir

    It was a great result and a one we needed as i don’t think that we will get two wins we would have possibly needed if they had won.

    Hopefully wigan lose to arsenal and we can get a win at QPR then we are safe (even a point but much prefer a win).

    I think QPR will play well if we let them, they will relax, under pressure as you say they won’t want a fight and will just leave us to dominate and we should win.

  • 10 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    Ok bud,we’ll have to disagree but didn’t most pundits call us”The Entertainers” again last season.And you know yourself how bad a time we have had with injuries,how are you supposed to answer the problem of your star players being injured?,They get injured and not 1 of the young lads who replaced them have stepped up.

  • 11 jonobbad // May 8, 2013 at 7:15 PM

    I cant believe that some fans are willing to potentially write off another season just to give ap a chance.He had his chance this season and blew it big time.Regardless of injuries and lack of backing in the summer he should have us playing better. These are the same fans who said, in december to ‘give him the transfer window and see how he does’.Guess what..he has done nothing any better. Did we get spanked by the scum and liverpool earlier in the season when our injuries were at their worst? NoImo someone like laudrup/de boer/my nan would have us in a much better position than pards.There is no debate over it really as he isnt good enough for us. At all.

  • 12 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 7:16 PM


    Yeh we did play some good football last year but also some atrocious stuff too. Defensive collapses at Fulham and Spurs fr’ instance.

    This is Pardew’s real problem and I’m sure he is aware of it – consistency (he has mentioned it in interviews). The main reason I’m becoming convinced he is not going to succeed for us is that you just don’t know what side is going to turn up for any game. Total insecurity for the fans and no wonder people don’t like it. He just can’t motivate the players week in week out.

    I don’t put this simply down to tactics, because its a more general attitude problem. If he can’t sort this out – and he hasn’t either last season or this – then he is not of sufficient quality as a manager. I’ve racked my brains and read everything other bloggers have put up and am still not satisfied we have sussed out the real reasons. I’m more in the sports psychology school over form – but whatever it is, he has to go, though I suspect he wil be with us for a while. Rafa is no touchy feely guy but he gets the players working hard and in a system so he must be able to motivate them.

  • 13 Joe Blog // May 8, 2013 at 7:16 PM

    I’m just watching Ronaldo (the original and best) and Zidane videos, to remedy myself from the apathy Pardew has infected me with and remind myself why I love this game.

  • 14 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    Pardew and The entertainers in the same sentence
    Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. That is the funniest thing i have ever heard

  • 15 cyprus // May 8, 2013 at 7:17 PM

    For the avid blog readers. My prediction stands, draw vs West Ham (check), loss to qpr, leading vs arsenal and then losing it. Wigan finishing on 36 or 37, newcastle on 38…..

  • 16 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM


    I don’t think we entertained much last year to be honest, think it was a lazy tag by journo’s who dont watch much of us…just saw wins and put that old tag back on. (Plenty times this and last year it shows how little we were watched when commentators dont even know what foot people in the side are or where they normally play etc).

    I do get the injuries, i really do. I think it made it difficult and that coupled with a poor transfer window i lowered my expectation of 6th (possibly pushing top 4) to 8th which i think is fair, seeing west brom are there now.

    I just think games we have lost at home to reading, west ham, swansea and the draw with villa are what cost us. Those games were before christmas (except possibly reading) so no relegation pressure on us then and we had strong teams out.

  • 17 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:18 PM

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  • 19 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:19 PM

    Sorry for all the links, just saves the post getting moderated to spread them.

    just shows we had strong teams out and we still didn’t offer a lot to those sides, which we should have done.

  • 20 Spotlight Kid // May 8, 2013 at 7:20 PM

    …and in order to survive we either gamble on other results or fix the problem at source – ie sack Pardew NOW! Just was is it about 1 goal scored in the last 4 games and 10 conceded that is so difficult to understand?

  • 21 sparky55 // May 8, 2013 at 7:24 PM

    well said ED…bang on the money…simply just not good enough…but that needs qualifying…the squad are no doubt good enough whereas the manager is simply nowhere good enough. This squad is the best squad we’ve had for at least 8 years and Pardew has coached them to a standstill…his set up’s are awful, his substitutions (Ameobi after 70 mins) are awful, his defensive mindset is pathetic, and he’s always the first to blink in a match and go defensive even if we’re losing…he’s f*****n’ useless and all we can do is hope he gets sacked because none of the team will stay even if we survive if pardew remains manager…it’s plain to see the players don’t want to play the way Pardew wants them to play and who can blame then…they’re all technically good skillful players who are being asked to play defensive long ball…where’s the skill factor in that and how the hell must Anita be feeling watching Perch get a game in front of him! PARDEW OUT!

  • 22 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:26 PM


    not sure what we do to be honest, there are tons of things wrong with this side.

    - poor set plays, worst by far
    - poor fitness
    - lack of link up play between most players
    - players out of position
    - players out of form always starting (even when other options)
    - sit too deep
    - cisse isolated

    Not sure how much of this is pardew but as manager your job is to get the best out of your staff. I don’t think he gets the best out of his staff (that includes coaches, players, etc).

    He is also not willing to stand up to his superiors and fight for what he wants, just rolls over. (or at least that what impression i get from the stuff he says).

    Whether the players are at fault, the owner or injuries/luck the manager still has to find a way to get the best from what he has. He hasn’t got the best from us as i believe even with everything that has gone on we should be around 8/9th. But mainly the issue is the style we play not just points, i don’t think it suits the squad we have now. It might have done last season but he hasn’t adapted to get the best from he new boys.

  • 23 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 7:27 PM

    If you look at the match stats for that link,we had 14 shots 9 on target with 11 corners to their 4 and 8 fouls for us and 14 for them.That tells me we should have won the game,we didn’t score,it happens.

  • 24 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:29 PM


    I don’t like looking at shot stats, they are misleading i think.

    I remember one game this year, can’t remember who we played, but we had 20+shots with a good number on target but in that game we only had 1 or 2 actual chances where you would back us to score.

    And i accept sometimes it does happen, but it happens far too often under pardew.

  • 25 sparky55 // May 8, 2013 at 7:30 PM

    Well said ED…simply not good enough but that needs qualifying somewhat…there’s no doubt in my mind the squad are more than good enough but the manager is the one who’s simply just not good enough…He’s absolutely useless…his set ups are useless, his substitutions are useless (ameobi after 70 mins), his mindset is pathetic and he’s always the manager who blinks first and goes defensive even if we’re losing. He has to go in the summer because even if we do stay up the good players will leave because they don’t believe in him any more and quite rightly too. We’ve got some very skill full and technically good players who have been coached to a standstill…just look at Anita…an amazingly good gifted technical player who has to watch Perch get a game in front of him…an absolute disgrace and PARDEW HAS TO GO or we’ll lose all the good players.

  • 26 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    might have been the swansea match actually

  • 27 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 8, 2013 at 7:31 PM


    Evening lad.

    We seem to have been preaching the topic of “intent” for a while, yes I know that others have been critical of Pardew on a number of issues, but for me the crux of the problem is Pardew’s lack of attacking intent which puts us under considerable pressure.

    If we press QPR high in the first 30mins, keep the ball on the ground in the midfield and stay tight at the back then I really can’t see QPR getting into the game, but I have been crying out for a sharper intent in terms of how he’s been setting out the team since Stoke at home, yes others have been calling for it a lot sooner, but it’s ridiculous how he still hasn’t taken heed and still sets us out to “Not lose”, which ironically, almost ensures that exactly that happens!

    But as I said, given how going into the last 2 games we have our fate in our own hands, if we go down I cannot see how we can blame anyone but Pardew.

  • 28 mattnufc // May 8, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    Along with underwhelming tactics, I think it must be mentioned that the quality in depth of our squad is very limited. This has of course improved since January, but has been exposed when we have missed Ben Arfa, for example, and it has been Obertan or Jonas to step in most of the time who can barely score between them; When Cabaye’s been injured we have lost most games; when Coloccini’s out we have looked incredibly fragile, when Cisse’s unavailable, the next choice is Shola; players like Gosling, Sammy Ameobi and Campbell have also all had to be involved too much for me.

  • 29 Joe Blog // May 8, 2013 at 7:32 PM

    It’s had the opposite effect – I’m sick as a parrot now.

  • 30 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM


    also using the logic of we had more shots so should/could have won in the 1-1 draw with villa they had a good few more shots on target so could/should have won that game

    works both ways.

  • 31 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 7:35 PM


    If he goes into the QPR game with the same mindset as Gooners away and Manure away then we could do very well and turn them over. I just feel he’s lost confidence in his own positivity and that is makeing him even more cautious just when we need to play the pressing game. Catch 22 as somebody saiod yesterday.

  • 32 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:35 PM


    no doubt when we missed big players we struggled, i can live with losing games where we have 3/4/5 kids or poor squad players in the team, i think it’s always difficult so won’t complain too much about that.

    I do think that we have lost too many games where we have a 90/100% full team out though.

  • 33 Ketsbaia9 // May 8, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    Failing to sign a few strikers has cost us this season. If we would’ve had Ba and Remy, we would’ve got to the Europa cup final. We’d be in around 7th place at the moment if they were here. Sissoko hasn’t been performing well, but when on form, he’s as good as anyone.

    Marveaux and Santon would be my players of the season.

    Tiote, Cabaye and Gutierrez would be my underperformers of the season.

    I feel sorry for Anita, as he should be in the team.

    Pardew does not pick the right team. We can’t keep playing 4-5-1.

    We could sell Cabaye and Tiote and bring 7/8 quality first team players in.

    I’d like to see us appoint a European manager that decides to utilise Marveaux and Anita more often.

  • 34 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 7:36 PM

    That is a link for the premier league from Dec 11th 2012 to say we were in trouble before christmas.
    And if we have had 14 shots with 9 on target that means the opposing keeper or players have cleared 9 shots off target,that is a fact unless i’m am missing something?

  • 35 Ketsbaia9 // May 8, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    Cisse has had a decent season. You can’t blame him as he’s had no support. Hopefully we’ll address these problems in the summer, but if anyone has to go, its Cabaye, Tiote and Gutierrez. These players can also leave:


  • 36 sparky55 // May 8, 2013 at 7:38 PM

    ruddy…you’re absolutely right…we have to press but will Pardew commit to doing that for fear of letting one in. Floppy chops will know we’re gonna go after them and will no doubt try to get us on the counter but that doesn’t matter…we have to go after them for sure

  • 37 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:39 PM


    I just want to see us attack teams. I get how this time of the year nerves creep in so managers/players are naturally cautious but look at teams around us.

    Wigan, villa, sunderland, norwich….might not be doing great either but all going for it to make sure if they go down they couldn’t have done anymore, wins are what gets you safe and we don’t see like we want to win, jut draw and bank on results going against us. (might turn out to work but rather not chance it).

    Pardew has been too negative in our play during his whole time here for me, defending single goal leads or playing for 0-0 too often.

    I think when you look at all teams with similar squads to our they attack sides, keep the ball and press high up, keep the ball as far away from your own goal as possible, not invite teams into your half to play before you consider closing them down.

  • 38 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    Your missing my point,with those stats i was proving the point that we were playing attacking football but just couldn’t score.14 shots with 9 on target is a decent amount.If we were playing boring defensive football they might have been lower

  • 39 Ketsbaia9 // May 8, 2013 at 7:40 PM

    We haven’t beaten a team by 5 clear goals for ages. Its about time we thrashed someone.

  • 40 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 8, 2013 at 7:41 PM


    I agree, and it seems to me that you have just described the perennial bottler, and as far as I am concerned we cannot have a manager who is going to bottle it when the going gets tough and retreats under a veil of arrogance while patronising the very fans who he is letting down.

    We deserve more than that do we not? And let’s face it, if this season is not evidence enough for some fans about how poor AP is under pressure then it never will be.

  • 41 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:43 PM


    sorry buddy, i wasn’t too clear with that on target comment, i didn’t explain myself.

    I mean it’s hard to say where was the shot from. Was it a free header 2 yards out where the keep makes a blinding save or a defender blocks it or was it a shot from25/30 yards hit tamely down the middle right at the keeper. I just think you can’t see that from those stats.

    If you have 10 really good chances, clear cut, you should easy score 4/5 of them, if they are pot shots you’d be lucky to get one goal.

    and that table does show some pressure. Take it back a month to when we played west ham/swansea (and a month/two after villa home) then it looks like this and we are sat in 10th pretty safe at the time.

  • 42 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:44 PM


    My point is that we don’t create clear chances, a lot of our shots are from outside the box and very unlikely to result in a goal.

  • 43 papscrunt // May 8, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    Basic science tells you every action has equal reaction. If you are putting a team out to be negative every game. Then that is what you’ll get. Was in Glasgow last night to see The Trailer Park Boys live. Didn’t know the score until we got back to the hotel. I could have killed the missus when she said ‘Ooooooh’ before she told me the score.

  • 44 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 7:44 PM

    That a good point,but if we attack too much we might get beat and have to get something at Arsenal or do we play it safe and hope Arsenal beat Wigan,if we play it safe we might end up conceding.Jesus,glad i don’t have to make the decision.

  • 45 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    How does having a lot of shots mean we were attacking most could have been from the 11 corners we had

  • 46 sparky55 // May 8, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    correct Ruddy…no bottle and no tactical nouse to react to going one down…if you set up not to lose you always have no answer to going one down and then you always lose…but pardew seems to think he can even though hasn’t come from a goal down all season…tit!

  • 47 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 7:46 PM


    Which is close to what I’m trying to say @12 above.
    If he is the right man for us then he needs to be sorting out the longer term issues of leaky defence and consistency. No way should we be conceding more than 3 goals once or twice a season.

  • 48 jonobbad // May 8, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Answer me this.
    Do you think pardew has got the best out of what he has had at his disposal?
    Forget league position, injuries or lack of investment.

  • 49 toonluvva // May 8, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Pardew will tell the players to take their time, don’t overcommit, defend deep, we start with a point and can defend it for 90 minutes.

    ‘arry will tell QPR that the Toon are fragile, likely to fall to pieces under pressure, only won one game away from home all season, to get in our faces straight from kick off, don’t let us settle, get a quick goal and look for more and more. QPR could even ensure that Newcastle go down with them. Look who you could have joined Remy etc etc.

    Who disagrees with any of the above.

    That’s why Llambias & Pardew must be sacked as soon as possible.

  • 50 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 7:47 PM


    scroll to the bottom of the page, the table headed ‘premier league positional statistics’ then click on the tab shot zones.

    shows we have 3rd highest % shots outside the box and lowest % inside the 6 yard box. Probably why we don’t have a lot of clear chances but plenty shots as we shoot early in the build up of an attack as we struggle to gte many men forward.

  • 51 Ruddy Marveaux-lous // May 8, 2013 at 7:48 PM


    We have one of the most attack minded squads since the Entertainers, we have players in this squad who would rival the best of them yet we’re playing some of the most negative stifling football I have ever seen from a Newcastle team.

    Sage you’re spot on about the intent of the teams around us, Villa have really kicked into gear and play some excellent quick on the deck football, they have clicked at just the right moment, all because Lambert has been positive all season, and right now they are getting what they deserve.

    Sunderland seem like more of an attacking threat, that could purely be down to PDCs passion instilled in them but they work harder for the win.

    Wigan, if they weren’t so bad defensively, would be mid-table, but some of their football is excellent, and always has been for years. Their support from their wing backs shows that if performed correctly the flat back 3 with attacking wing backs can work wonders.

    Not advocating a flat back three but at least they are adventurous, whereas we’re predictable.

  • 52 Laurent Robert 32 // May 8, 2013 at 7:50 PM

    Mojo, I can shoot 10 shots from the half way line and hit the target ten times. Means little, as the keeper will save 10 out of 10. The evidence is on actual result based stats. Assists create goals, not shots.

    Marveaux has the most assists yet Pardew is always reluctant to play him. Yet Jonas who has zero assists plays. Jonas has only had 5 shots on target ALL season.

    44 goals conceded in the second half of games to only 22 in the first half shows that we do sit back and are actually rubbish at it as we concede as well. As we’re defending, we’re not attacking. However, when you attack, you are defending.

  • 53 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 7:51 PM

    I can’t answer that because those factors you mentioned are the biggest reason why i think we are in this mess,i will say this though,when your star players get injured is it the managers fault that the young players who are chosen to replace them haven’t stepped up?,that is all we had,young lads to replace star players because we didn’t invest enough in the squad in the summer

  • 54 Sack Llambias // May 8, 2013 at 7:52 PM

    Just on my way out but I see the Pardew problem being having the ability to fashion a positive tactical approach. We have sufficient attack minded players to seize the initiative. Anita should start.
    I also agree on your Beattie comments. He randomly insulted me when I was first on. To me it seems that he works hard with some posters to make his language conform to that of an intelligent person. Unfortunately it’s nothing more than crafted legalese. Inflated language to conceal the lack of having anything worth saying or of having a logical argument. He lacks empathy.

  • 55 jonobbad // May 8, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    That is the only question worth asking.
    You can look to blame all the other influences but if you were honest, you would have said no.
    And no means he is not doing his job properly so needs to go.
    Also back to a point I made earlier, we had most of our players available and new signings when we got hammered by scum and liverpool, so I dont buy it that it isnt his fault.
    He should be getting more out of our squad of players.
    Dont think anyone can argue with the last sentence.

  • 56 sparky55 // May 8, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Ruddy…bang on the money…plain for all to see

  • 57 papscrunt // May 8, 2013 at 7:57 PM

    Shots from distance tell you that your forward line is isolated. And you are unable to break teams down. Cisse hasn’t been great, but he’s not a back to goal striker at all. Our problem all season is no clear game plan. No clear tactical formation at all. We have no identity at all as team. If you said to a random person, or even a pundit. ‘How do Villa play?’ They say ‘The use Benteke to hold it up and use the pace of Agbonlahor and Wiemann to support on the break’ if you ask ‘How do Wigan play?’ They like to keep it in the middle and then attack using the width with McManaman and Beausejour’ And finally ‘How do Newcastle play?’ No clue at all. We sadly lack any direction.

  • 58 jonobbad // May 8, 2013 at 8:00 PM

    And I wasnt asking why you thought we were in this mess, just if pardew has got the best out of what he has.
    Why can you not answer that?
    Simple yes or no question and no other factors matter

  • 59 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    Sack LLambias

    I like Anita and think he could be a mainstay.
    It really does look like Pardew’s own psychology is one of the key issues. He’s a bit Duke of York that’s for sure. And that isn’t good for the side.

    I don’t like the Beattie OTT insults – it ruins some of the threads for me and detracts from his good points. Dunno what creates all those mood swings. He did mention he was Asperger’s several months ago but I have no idea if that is true.

  • 60 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 8:03 PM

    Look at the links Transfer gave you Marveaux on the bench and Sammy in the starting line up and another Anita and Marveaux on the bench so no injuries excuse not good enough

  • 61 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    Ok point taken,i just looked at the stats for a 0-0 draw and they were about the same as the stats for Spurs’s 3-0 win over Inter.If Marv had Jonas’s work rate he’d be playing every week,he’s getting better but Benny didn’t start regular until he started helping his full back out.

  • 62 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:05 PM


    see the link i posted for where we shoot from?

    sums up why we dont have many meaningful chances even when we have a lot of shots.

  • 63 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:06 PM


    what do you think to the link i posted where we shoot from?

    think it kind of shows my point better about how a shot on goal can be a good chance or a very low chance to score.

  • 64 Ketsbaia9 // May 8, 2013 at 8:07 PM

    Exactly, Pardew only selects his favourites. If he would’ve selected the best players, we’d be in a european position by now.

  • 65 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 8:08 PM


    I’d be happy just to beat QPR let alone thrash them. Three points is a must and I don’t care how we get them or how many goals we score, just get the points

  • 66 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    For those who defend Pardew due to injuries, lack of investment and lack of luck I ask:

    Why did he play Cisse RW?
    Why does he continue to play Cisse as a target man?
    Why does he play Cabaye as DM?
    Why doesn’t he play Anita?
    Why does he play Jonas at LB/LW?
    Why does he play Goofy at LM?
    Why does he continue to play Sissoko at CAM?
    Why does he put Tiote straight back into the team regardless of form?

    These and many more questions can be answered very easily. All have contributed to our current position and all have happened regardless of injuries, lack of investment and bad luck.

    The answer is Pardew is clueless.

    He copies Chelsea’s formation but goes ultra defensive.

    It is like copying a Van Gough and using poundland felt tip pens.

  • 67 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:10 PM

    Because it is not a simple yes and no question and other factors are massively relevant.Do you think it is his fault if he replaces star players with fringe youngsters because that’s all we had and they are not good enough yet?

  • 68 Bambams // May 8, 2013 at 8:11 PM

    Against QPR we have got to start on the front foot….. This is a must!

    I still believe we are in big trouble and those who think we are certs for the three points against the Rangers are delusional.

    I hope Pards does not try for two draws!!!! We cannot allow this chance to slip away, get them on their back foot early and they will start thinking about they are already down ‘ bugger this’ …. I hope.

  • 69 Bambams // May 8, 2013 at 8:12 PM

    What a goal Adebayor !

  • 70 jonobbad // May 8, 2013 at 8:13 PM

    Lol @ 65
    Coming up with some classics tonight.

  • 71 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:13 PM


    jono’s question is a simple one though.

    with the players available are we in the right position? or is pardew not getting enough from what he has had over the 36 games so far or has he got more than he should have from the 36 games.

  • 72 jonobbad // May 8, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Its irrelevant.
    I dont know how many times I can ask the same question.
    He came out before last season and said our squad was big enough.
    Regardless he has not got the best out of what he has had.

  • 73 santonthenewmaldini // May 8, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Also not having the whole Pardew having to play the youngsters he never had to play them for that many games and every game pretty much played them out of position and used long ball tactics which did not suit them either it was actually Pardews tactics and the senior players that let the youngsters down Shola and Williamson against Brighton and Bordeux were perfect examples of this

    The Bordeux away game was a prime example Tavernier tried to get a passing game on the go passed it to Williamson the more experienced player who launched it long every time and then Shola could not hold it up what sort of examples did this set the youngsters??

    Also out of the blue slaps Ferguson at left back against Man Utd next game out the team for 5 games and then plays him out of position?

    Bigi always done well in central midfield if he had played more games would probably be as good as Tiote as he has quality on the ball which Tiote can only dream of

    He has also had ample opportunity to try something new Anita and Marveux were fit for most of the season as has been Campbell but he has persisted with the same old shit

    He needs to go in the summer especially if he wants players like Jay Spearing to come SHAG THAT FOR A LAUGH

  • 74 papscrunt // May 8, 2013 at 8:16 PM

    Pardew will, and does try to play for draws. And guess what? We have the joint least amount of draws in the league!

  • 75 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    Sorry about that,if you look at the link though most of the teams from 13th down are involved in relegation.I agree with you that we don’t create enough chances but i think it’s a lack of consistent creativity in our team,our most creative players missing from the squad often,and you think it’s the managers decisions,i get were your coming from that he should do better with what he has got but if you take Benny and Cabs out of our team,just 2 players,we haven’t got much creative wise.

  • 76 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 8:18 PM

    If Wigan don’t beat Arsenal which is the most likely scenario then Villa are safe regardless,could we rely on Villa to do us a favour in the last game,I doubt it ,a win against QPR is essential.

  • 77 rasul // May 8, 2013 at 8:19 PM



    Debuchy Colo Saylor Mbiva
    Ben Harfa Cabaye Tiote Marveoux/Anita Gouffran
    ……………nr 9 . Cisse :) …………………..

  • 78 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    Yes we’ve had a ridiculous amount of injuries this season and yes Ashley should have invested in the summer but a manager of any real quality would still find a way to get the players that were available to perform for him.

    The fact that he is still blind to the obvious is frightening as he must be the only man in the world that see’s Cabaye as a deep laying midfielder, Sissoko as a No#10 and Jonas and Tiote of any worth to the side

  • 79 papscrunt // May 8, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    @75 If Arsenal beat wigan, then a point against QPR is all we need. We’ll be four in front with one game to play.

  • 80 Joe Blog // May 8, 2013 at 8:20 PM

    I’m pretty sure everyone is delusional on here now, the amount of times the word is bandied about.

    I don’t think blogs, at least football ones, are for me, after observing for a while, absolutely nobody enters discussion entertaining the thought they could perhaps be wrong, so just end up butting heads with increasing force, until one side erupts and the profanities ensue. Rinse, repeat.


  • 81 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:22 PM


    cabaye has player 23 (+1 off bench) league games, ben arfa only 14 (+3 off the bench) so that’s fair comment.

    But when they weren’t playing marv should have been involved more, can carry one player who doesn’t track back well surely, especially if used as a CAM which is his best position.

    Over this whole season, with the players available (some of whom aren’t good enough) i think Pardew has underachieved and not got the best from those available.

    do you agree or disagree he has not got the best from what he has had? or are you happy with the points return from what players we have had.

  • 82 check the toastie // May 8, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    Ferguson and Sammi Ameobi over Marveaux – thats a pretty good reson to give him the bullet, why oh why, we had injuries Marveaux still benched.

    Totally F##king Clueless.

    Last year Sammi over Ben Arfa, another Gem of Pardew’s,

    Totally F##king Clueless.

    SACK HIM TODAY, we have breathing space with Wigan doing us a favour, its time to act Big Mike.

  • 83 papscrunt // May 8, 2013 at 8:24 PM

    Tiote’s lack of form is in a large extent due to Pardew. Ever since he told him to calm his style of play down he’s not been the same player. He needs to play with high intensity and on the edge. And if you want him in the team, then that’s something a manager has to accept. Its the main part of his game. Since Pardew took that away from, he’s looked a shadow of the player he was last year.

  • 84 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    Does anybody find it bizarre that we could still finish in the top ten and we’d have Pards harping on about a top half finish and the quarter finals of the EL and Mashed thinking we’re so successful that without the extra games we can off load a few players.

  • 85 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    He might have said we had a big squad but where is the creativity coming from if HBA and Cabs get injured.
    Look at that squad and the bench bearing in mind there was no HBA or Tiote,if we had that squad with a bench like that in the summer we might not have been in this position

  • 86 northernirishtoon // May 8, 2013 at 8:26 PM


    Please don’t say things like that. Ashley might be reading

  • 87 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    Jail if that were to happen he may get a 16 year contract as a reward :D

  • 88 jonobbad // May 8, 2013 at 8:28 PM

    3 replies and you have avoided the question everytime.
    You are clearly arguing for the sake of it.
    Are you pardews dad by any chance?

  • 89 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 8:29 PM

    Paps c
    My maths are pretty good having gained a merit in analytical methods for engineers a win against QPR is essential.

  • 90 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    You cannot afford to have wingers in your team that don’t help your full back out,if you watch most of the top teams play with wingers they all track back or are supposed too anyway.This league will punish you if you leave 2on1 for long

  • 91 p // May 8, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    Jail – no, I think Mash will have been very p#$$ed off this season.

    We think we have twitch bums, the stakes are higher for Mash.

    Not only does he lose money, he knows his stock will go down in Newcastle (and it was not that high in the first place).

    I am sure even Mash wants to be loved!

  • 92 papscrunt // May 8, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    I didn’t mean it to sound offensive at all. I’m just saying that we could be lucky enough to get away with a point and still be safe.

  • 93 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    17 from 39 points since the new boys arrived for the villa away game…point percentage of 43%

    we had 21 from 69 points before that. point percentage of 30% so we have improved points wise since jan.

    So our points tally has improved….multiply the 43% over the season and you get 49 points.

    So the answer is with the better/extra players i think we would have done better, but i still think we would do much better under a better/more modern thinking manager.

  • 94 sparky55 // May 8, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    kets…you must be right…ameobi shouldn’t play for us ever again (great ambassador off the pitch and probably good in the dressing room but offers nothing on the pitch)…Anita never starts and he’s one of our most gifted players, Tiote should not have played as often as he has this season, Perch shouldn’t have had as much game time as he has, Marveaux’s not had enough playing time and he brought back ben arfa too quickly…all down to poor management and favouritism

  • 95 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 8:31 PM

    Sack Llambias

    I just realised you mentioned me.

    More drivel served up from your self righteous gob.

    You are a typical deluded internet fiend who tries to gloat through carefully selected words about some huge intellect that people should take note of.

    Hypocrite who says we should all be positive yet goes by the name Sack LLambias. A poster who preaches the need for decent conversation and yet tries to initiate talk about the Chelsea physio being hot, you’re typical neanderthal. The type who would claim he invented fire but in reality is only good for gathering twigs.

    I’m all up for talking about the beauty of women as I am a neanderthal too, but at least I acknowledge what I am and do not pretend to be anything else.

    Stop being the blog police and being outraged by my insults towards you and others who deserve it. Stop trying to get people on your side in some desperate hope to gang up on people you perceive to be polluting the blog.

    And by the by you probably choose to forget that it was you who insulted me first. Straight after the Fulham game.

    Like I always say, I do not unload my arsenal of insults for no reason.

    Pretend to be the victim in all of this but there is no smoke without fire.

  • 96 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    You have two creative players on the bench Marveaux,Anita
    You really don’t get it do you

  • 97 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:33 PM


    which is why i said we should play marv, when missing cabaye, as a CAM…have him play behind the striker, not a winger but the number 10 role he has played most of his career where he can slip good balls through for cisse and beat men too.

    Wingers to need to track back sometimes, but no where near as much as ours do, ours barely leave our half and it just lets the opposition bomb on way too much and commit more men to their attack.

  • 98 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Right that is my personal attacks out of the way. Let’s return to football.

    Players in the summer. 5 in 5 out who would it be and why.

  • 99 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    Joe Blog

    The way you feel seems to be summed up by the famous quote: “The problem is with the world that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence” It’s worth sticking with it though – we still get some good banter going

    Jail now wouldn’t it just be fine and dandy to finish with two wins and 44 points in 12-13th.
    Wouldn’t need to sign anyone then as we’d be on target with the five year plan :-)

  • 100 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:35 PM


    dammit man, we are trying to have a conversation here

    take your hypocritical mumbo jumbo elsewhere ;) haha

  • 101 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 8:35 PM

    paps c,
    Tiotes lack of form is down to Dirk and Mashley tying him down to a six year contract then refusing to let him go when Chelsea came in with 18M ,not because he was so important to the club and that the fans loved him but because Chelse wouldn’t rraise the stakes to 20M.

  • 102 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:36 PM

    How about answering some of my points?,i’ve responded every time to you,i genuinely cannot answer that question,not being a dick.Ok if you take out the fact that we have had a nightmare with injuries and not invested in the summer i will say that he hasn’t done good enough with what he has had,but what is left to work with,not much.

  • 103 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 8:37 PM

    We play with 3 defensive midfielders how many do you want defending and you want our wide men back too.thats why we have only got 1 goal in the last four games and shipped 10

  • 104 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM


    Yeh and I ‘mentioned’ you too. So what ?

  • 105 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 8:38 PM

    paps c
    Please don’t think you offended me as you didn’t sound offensive :)

  • 106 papscrunt // May 8, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    No worries man :D

  • 107 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    True,the full backs not been getting forward much recently.But i think Cabs Is a hard worker,if you replace him with Marv you might let the opposition have a free run at your centre half’s if he doesn’t get about the pitch.

  • 108 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 8:40 PM

    It would be nice to be safe by the Arsenal game it will be an interesting crow d on the 19th.

  • 109 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    Yo Yo

    What was the comment number?

  • 110 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 8:41 PM


    If you looked at the way the new players came in in terms of points gained – has there been any slippage in recent weeks ? (it just feels like it has)

  • 111 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:41 PM


    take it you want more realistic targets not ronaldo, bale, messi, kompany and iniesta?


    1. benitez (like him as a manager)
    2. PEA – need a goal scorer with pace
    3. mertens – need a wide man who is a goal threat also
    4. sakho – need a big commanding CB
    5. mirin – need a good young CB to challenge and learn


    1. Pardew – we deserve better
    2. Colo -wants to leave so let him
    3. Simmo – out of contract
    4. Willo – allows mirin to push the saylor for CB 3rd spot
    5. gosling – got enough in his position and injuries robbed him of what potential he had

  • 112 jonobbad // May 8, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    You havent answered the only question I have asked.
    You bring in points which are unrelated.
    I have no time for you now you are clearly enjoying the attention and are arguing for the sake of it.
    You have been asked the same thing by others and have ignored it too.
    Troll I reckon

  • 113 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:42 PM


    if you played marv just behing cisse could have sissoko/anita/perch/tiote (any 2) behind doing the hard work and let marv just close down higher up the pitch.

  • 114 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 8:42 PM


    I’m sorry. I just cant avoid reacting.

  • 115 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    I’ve tried to ignore most of your posts because they are pure sh1te but how do we play with 3 defensive midfielders?and ideally you should have all the team defending and attacking as a unit together but hey,i don’t expect you to know the basics of football

  • 116 kevymartins // May 8, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    Glad to hear that ole cnut SAF is retiring at the end of this season…I wonder who will take that job.

  • 117 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 8:45 PM


    I’m living in hope we go for QPR – at least for 45 mins. Say its 0-0 at half time we just get into overdrive, play a high line and a pressing game for the second half. Dunno how well they usually do second half but I bet they’ll want the win for their own fans (all 15,000 of them :) )

  • 118 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 8:45 PM


    I’d go for those players in and out. I’d like to see Obertan out before Gosling.

    People call me arrogant but I will admit I was entirely wrong about Obertan. I thought he would make it but boy was I wrong.

    At least Gosling has an excuse with the injuries he’s had.

  • 119 davis_toons // May 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Woah….!!! WOW…Everyone seems to be doing Compo…

    Chelsea have good setup and movement for attacking corners. Four man in the Box and Score.

    This got to be practices during training. We our playing being doing something like that?

    Or Pardew just let the players train on their own using the equipment provided?

  • 120 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM


    Players out:

    Colo, as he can’t keep a certain part of his anatomy under wraps and his wife has pitched a fit and pi**ed off home.
    Simpson, as for some god unknown reason he actually thinks he’s worth more money than what he currently gets (ah bless him)
    Obertan, as the French Olympic team need a sprinter and he shyte at football.
    Gosling, as like the two above he’s a waste of skin.
    Shola, simply because he’s too old, too slow and oh yeah, he utter shyte.

    Players in:
    If Pardew has his way they’d all be clone’s of Jonas :(

  • 121 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    TS @112

    Good idea but a bit complicated for AP I feel …
    Isn’t Marv out with a groin strain ?

  • 122 tooninspain // May 8, 2013 at 8:47 PM

    “My maths are pretty good having gained a merit in analytical methods for engineers”… couldn’t make it up!

  • 123 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM


    Ha ha ha. Sorry I knew we promised not to talk to each other but I had to laugh at comment 114.

    Telling people they talk shite.

    We are the same you and I.

  • 124 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM

    @mojo or manxpie
    You talk utter dross and never answer a straight forward question.Just try and push your blinkered and ignorant views on others.You really are a boring clueless fcuking idiot

  • 125 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:48 PM


    I only changed from obertan to gosling purely on the ground that gosling is often injured and in CM or CAM we have perch, anita, cabs, sissoko, tiote, marv and even benny as a CAM if needed.

    Wingers or wide men we have jonas, hba then gouff and marv (but both suited to the centre). So thought obertan has more use, just.

    Also he has shown a lot in france, maybe a new coach could get something (even if just very basic quality) out of him, although i wouldn’t hold my breath.

  • 126 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    I would love it if we could give HBA or Marv a role behind the strikers and just let them worry about attacking,didn’t he do that v Liverpool?.Perfect for our lack of strikers,hope he does the same v QPR

  • 127 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    Shut it you tit .

  • 128 p // May 8, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    is spurs winning the best result for us tonight?

    that way everyone needs to push hard against our fellow strugglers for the remaining games (except Arsenal against us of course)

  • 129 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM


    Yeh i think he is, just relying to mojo asking without benny and cabaye earlier who should have been the creative player.

  • 130 yorkymag // May 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    Looks like the managerial merry go round is well in swing moyes to man utd and Martinez to Everton.
    Bet victor have reduced the odds on Rafa to the toon to 2 s looks like they know something to be offering such a low number without an official vacancy
    Lets hope so

  • 131 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 8:50 PM

    Breaking news is that Moyes is already a shoo-in for Manure.
    I wondered if they might go for the Speshul One

  • 132 Ketsbaia9 // May 8, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Could save Marveaux for Arsenal. He had a good game against them away.

  • 133 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM


    what have you done to toon in spaid? you haven’t gone all colo on his wife have you?


    do you ever comment other than to insult jail? sure you used to.

  • 134 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM


    there’s a lot of talk about Moyes being Fergies choice and he will oversee and help out during his first season at Old Trafford

  • 135 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM


    My view is that we a short in the creativity department – need enough AMs to play a decent 4-2-3-1 and suffer when Cabs is off form or out the side. I thought Anita had been brought in to play deeper than Cabs but similar role.

  • 136 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    Can’t you read aswell?,i’ve taken on all comers all day,i haven’t got time to reply to every anus with a mouth,i have intelligent people to talk to.

  • 137 wynsleap // May 8, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    If we go down to QPR with no bottle and a defensive outlook brought about by pathetic pre-match excuses by Pardew we will get beat. No question.
    That would leave everything going in to the last match – even if Wigan go down to Arsenal.
    I know who my money would be on to give it everything they’ve got – and it wouldn’t be us.
    Whatever happens at the end of this season Pardew has to be elbowed and a new positive, tactically aware and charismatic individual brought in.
    Ashley can’t afford another season next season like the crap one we’ve just endured.

  • 138 santonthenewmaldini // May 8, 2013 at 8:53 PM

    @Beattie 25

    That sounds like a proper football conversation !!

    Manager Pardew Out! Benitez , Blanc or Garcia in

    Why? Cause they would get our players in the proper positions for a start!

    Players out : Ameobi both of them , Obertan , Jonas, Tiote and Williamson

    Good pros most of them try hard but in reality are not good enough to make the grade if our football is to progress we need better than Tiote and Jonas working hard is nothing if you cant do anything with the ball when you have it

    In : PEA/Carroll , Mcarthy , Ince , Belhanda/Mertens, Shawcross/Sakho/Alderweild

    Why?Because we need quality delivery and pace on the wings ,a bit more of a British core , some added quality in the centre of the park and we need a proper beast at the back

    Shawcross would be immense in our defense is just so solid and can score goals as well

    This would give us the best variety of football we could play nice one touch passing or good old fashioned 2 wingers in a 442 and batter teams the way Keegans teams used to do!

    With those signings and the core we have jelling over a pre season with a new manager we could make a proper impact next season

  • 139 p // May 8, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    @129, maybe Martinez will give up on the league and try to focus on the FA cup then

  • 140 sparky55 // May 8, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    team for QPR

    Debuchy colo taylor Mbiwa
    anita, cabaye tiote
    ben arfa cisse gouffran

  • 141 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 8:54 PM


    with our lack of decent wingers but good attacking fullbacks we could go for a team like this. Let the fullbacks attack then the two proper Defensive mids in tiote and anita could cover if the fullback gets caught out of position.

    ————ben arfa—————-

    a 4-3-1-2

  • 142 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 8:56 PM


    I really hope so – bookies not always right mind.
    We’d need some better AMs to strengthen the 3 attacking mids line but not worry too much about wingers, and need another class striker to rotate with Cisse as that his how he runs his sides.

  • 143 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 8:56 PM


    Ignore them.

    They preach of the immorality of insulting people yet when they do it they are exempt from criticism.

  • 144 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    I think a Chelsea win is more favourable as Arsenal will still have to beat Wigan to keep Spurs at bay.

  • 145 Ketsbaia9 // May 8, 2013 at 8:57 PM

    Haha Anita will never play again this season. Pardew absolutely hates him. Don’t know why because he’s one of our best players.

  • 146 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM

    Why anyone would want Debuchy anywhere near the starting 11 for the games against QPR or Arsenal is beyond me.

    He ducked out big time against Liverpool and looked like he didn’t even want to be on the park until he got himself sent off for sheer stupidity.

    I wouldn’t trust having him in the side and I’d continue with Simpson

  • 147 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Man it’s you that can’t read even with the facts in front of you and think having 14 shots is attacking football you are fcuking clueless.Best go and get some new crayons you must have worn them out today spouting the same crap all day

  • 148 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    In fact if Arsenal beat Wigan everyone is safe bar us and Norwich.

  • 149 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    Looks good to me.Strong defense,pacey attacking midfield.I just can’t help feeling that Remy is going to do us some damage.Hope i’m wrong

  • 150 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 9:00 PM

    I have no idea about ins because lets face it, its ashley!!
    But we need a major re shuffle and alot of dead wood shifting on
    Colo (dont want hom gone tbf)

    Big big project the summer, sadly i can see us doing fcuk all

  • 151 tooninspain // May 8, 2013 at 9:01 PM

    Trash… you think our problems started when Ashley failed to invest last summer?

  • 152 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    JB & Santon

    It seems as if people agree on who should go and even the type of players we need.

    Do you think we have a chance of getting these players?

    In my eyes a lot rests on who is in charge. The bad press recently will give players looking in from the outside a negative vibe and thus make it more difficult to attract top names.

    I would love PEA, Mertens, Ogobonna and a few young uns.

    It’s probably not realistic.

  • 153 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM



  • 154 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    Help!Help!.Somebody’s anus has escaped.

  • 155 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 9:03 PM


    ruddy made a good point here earlier I think. If we just sit off and defend deep, letting them have the ball they will enjoy themselves.

    If we pressure them, close them down, get stuck in and have a go they will fold as I doubt they will be up for a fight when they are already down.

  • 156 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    I honestly see the club signing Carroll to appease the fans and make us rejoice, blindsiding us to the lack of strengthening in other areas.

  • 157 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    I’m not sure when your morbid infatuation with me began.

  • 158 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    The kids a fcucking retard lol

    Isn’t Sissoko still injured

  • 159 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    And i wore my crayons out drawing visual representations of you with a massive d1ck on your forehead.Suits you down to the ground.

  • 160 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 9:06 PM


    is he?

    in that case the midfield three of anita, tiote and cabaye with HBA in front will do me.

  • 161 tooninspain // May 8, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Trash….stop being such a pr1ck then.

  • 162 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:07 PM

    Since when have I had a pic of you on my forehead what are you 12

  • 163 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:08 PM


    It makes me want to vomit saying this but I agree that Simpson should be ahead of Debuchy.

    Debuchy will come good but Simmo has been playing better recently and with him still not having a club he is trying hard to put himself in the shop window.

    He was decent against West Ham and I’d rather be guaranteed decent this time of the season than risk Debuchy being shit in the quest for excellence.

    I feel dirty.

  • 164 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    Last I heard Sissoko could be out for final two games

  • 165 toonking // May 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    sad to hear the news that sir alex ferguson has retired. he might have had a bad temper when results went against him but he is a very rare manager because very few other managers have such a long term manager as fans and boards don’t give them enough time.
    me myself was thinking pardew could be a decent manager but now I dislike him and want him ssacked after this season finished

  • 166 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:09 PM


    If reports are to be believed then we have out a hell of a lot of work into the PAE deal so that could be a real possibility. Mertens would cost 10 million+ so I doubt we’d go after both.

    I honestly think that with the players that will be sold will be countered by incoming’s so our squad will be the same size going into next season but it should have far more quality to it.

    For me I think we need a center half to replace Colo with Streete or Good stepping up into the 1st team squad as cover, a natural left sided winger and two striker’s

  • 167 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    I know but i have just got this feeling,Harry hates us,they have a couple of good attacking players,Taarabt(If he Starts)Townsend,Remy.Harry would love to stick the knife in us.A point will do makes me feel slightly better,surely Wigan can’t beat Arsenal away.

  • 168 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    If we can attract a playmaker such as De Jong or Belhanda, i’d be over the moon as we desperatly lack creativity!!
    If were looking at younguns i’d love to see cabela/kovacic/Barkley

    As mentioned we also desperatley need width, would love to ser sinclair come in bags of pace and still has potential, or depending on how heavily arsenal invest in the summer would love a cheeky bid on Ox!!

    Also think we need a RW, have a feeling we could be bennyless next season, though tbf we’ve been bennyless since he got here!

  • 169 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM

    You are seriously weird.

  • 170 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:12 PM


    Trust me mate, I hated saying that I’d prefer Simpson in before Debuchy, but the latter has struggled to settle since his move over the channel and I think he needs the summer and a good pre season to get up to speed with this type of football. A new decent manager would help as well ;)

  • 171 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    Jack B

    fair enough on debuchy, maybe missing these two games might be a good punishment for throwing the towel in.

    then again could have been frustration as oppose to surrender….either way a poor call by him.

  • 172 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:13 PM

    There’s no point in replying to me,i have activated my retard defense mechanism.You will be ignored.

  • 173 santonthenewmaldini // May 8, 2013 at 9:14 PM


    Yeah I could see that as well In some games where you cant get the passing game on he would be ideal to bring on imagine having a pumped up hungry Carroll dying to get on rather than a Shola ?

    About getting better players I honestly remember everyone saying how much we wanted Debuchy, Sissoko and Mbiwa and guess what?We got them all to come here even though we were struggling and with Pardew in charge!!!

    I still think outside of the top 4 we can be as attractive to come to as any other team as long as the wages are right if Cabaye stays maybe he can convince other players to come over again?

    I think if we stay up though I dont think we will get a new manager it will be Pardew next season who will probably be backed in the summer with funds and new coaches not really what I would prefer but I can see it happning

  • 174 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    Only a top top CB should be accepted as a colo replacement, no batgain basement sh1t!!
    Also dont think streete or good look anywhere near first team they need a season in the championship

  • 175 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM

    Yer best not look in the mirror then it will be flashing like crazy.

  • 176 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM


    yeh a few will want to stick the boot into us, jenas on that lis as well

    hoopefully we get something and wigan lose and we can reassess in the summer and fix the problems….even though we disagree on all the problems haha

  • 177 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM


    I think Debuchy is a classy player and will come good, I just fell he hasn’t settled yet as the pace of this type of football has caught him out a few times. All he needs is this summer and a solid pre season to settle in, but his attitude against Liverpool left a sour taste and he needs to realise that

  • 178 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM


    It would be great to see the board make amends for the season and splash out on a few purples but I doubt it will happen.

    My major concern is that all the teams above us, around us and below us will be strengthening. Add to that their superior tactics in game and we are slowly falling into the bottom 8 teams in the league. Not on starting 11 quality but overall regarding strength in depth.

    Like TADS says we need some major movement this Summer, but that would mean a change to the business model. That ain’t going to happen.

    I think we are more likely to get players like Spearing than a De Jong.

    This Summer will finally confirm the direction we are going in.

  • 179 p // May 8, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    on the basis of discussing comings and goings, I am surprised how many are confident of us staying up.

    I think the odds swung in our favour last night but I still think it is touch and go

  • 180 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:19 PM

    Malicious Retard Blocked May 8, 2013 at 9:16 PM

  • 181 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:20 PM

    Mojo or is it water boy “my mamma says my mamma says my mamma says anybody who doesn’t agree with me is the devil”

  • 182 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:20 PM


    We need a Sakho type of player to replace Colo, someone who is regard as a established CH at least and it is gonna cost to get that type in so we have to stump up the cash
    If we were to use a Streete or Good then they’d be fourth choice so maybe an option.

  • 183 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    How much do you guys think we need to spend in the Summer to push on to the next level?

    How much would be acceptable and indicate the board is trying to show ambition?

  • 184 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    I think i’ll be watching the match on the toilet to save time.#Sh1tting myself.

  • 185 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Malicious Retard Blocked May 8, 2013 at 9:20 PM

  • 186 Transfer Sage // May 8, 2013 at 9:23 PM


    not bothered on cost or money

    as long as we get 4/5 players in who push for first team or better than we have (a mix of both really) then i’m happy.

  • 187 p // May 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Beattie, if we stay up, we need a couple of decent additions, assuming no first teamer leaves.

    I think if we got Carroll and a decent winger, we could be in good shape.

    The manager is the key position to replace followed closely by whoever is responsible for player fitness and injury prevention

  • 188 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM


    It is all hypothetical of course. We could do a ‘who would you buy in the championship’ if you want?

  • 189 toonking // May 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    if we do sack pardew I will not be expecting a manager who is decent because them managers will want to have the final say on transfers not lambias or Ashley to decide, the reason Liverpool have got weaker is probably because their owners didn’t allow managers much say in who comes in and who leaves so they have not got a good manager or team.

    as for players, well the players I want us to bring in during the summer are wingers and forwards having a team which only has 1 forward and mainly creates down the middle give the opposition such an easy time defending.
    what happens is they get over crowded by the opposition defense
    and cant pass the ball to the forward as he is off side we can still use the FB to go wide but a FB’s job is preventing crosses not creating them.

  • 190 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    Still think even a player like sahko would be a risk after this season, last summer eould of loved him but after seeing how gutless our swuad has been this season we need a battle hardned CB with PL experience, personally would say ashley williams

  • 191 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:25 PM


    I’ve said for a while that this summer will signal whether Ashley has any sort of ambition for us or whether he simply see’s us as an advertising tool for his grubby little chain of shops.

    But the fact that he got personally involved in our transfer dealing in January tell’s me that thing have changed at the club and come the summer we will see a quality manager come in and that he will give him the money to spend though how much is anyone’s guess.

    And with that I need to go lay down as my delusions seem to be taking over

  • 192 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Pardew is going nowhere folkes. If were relegated he will still be here imo.

  • 193 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    £20-£30 mil???

  • 194 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:26 PM

    Depends if we look to bring in a core of British players at over inflated prices

  • 195 santonthenewmaldini // May 8, 2013 at 9:27 PM


    Well 18 million in transfer fees got us 5 players in January

    I think we need to spend about 25 – 30 million in the summer for me the bulk of it has to be spent on a striker and wingers to supply

    This can be offset with player sales as well

  • 196 outsidethebox // May 8, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    if toon and norwich get points on sunday
    would love to see our favorite ass referee mathew wilkes (seen macmanaman tackle thought it was fine versus wigan and although i was upside down and facing wrong way i could see clearly it wasn,t over line against w ham ) on the line for wigan /arsenal game and gives a wrong offside decision for a wigan goal..

  • 197 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    toonking ,
    On the contrary I think Lpool got weaker because they let Kenny Dogliesh loose with a hundred and odd million pound.

  • 198 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    If we only sign one person this summer for me it has to be Andy Carroll

  • 199 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // May 8, 2013 at 9:29 PM

    Am I the only one who rates shawcross?
    the boys an animal

  • 200 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM

    Those saying 20-30 mill is that just on players or does it include improvements to the coaching set up?

  • 201 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM


    Williams is 28 and Swansea have said that he would not be allowed to leave for under 10 million. And trust me as I’m surrounded by Swans fans, he’s not that highly rated by his own fans.
    But given a good pre season Sahko would be an excellent addition and if he had a half decent manager in charge of him all the better

  • 202 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:33 PM


    I would love Sakho but equally Ogobanno. It would be nice to have another Italian speaker in the squad for Santon , especially if Colo goes.

    I do think we need some PL experiencebut next season would be Tiotes 4th and Cabayes 3rd in the PL, surely they should be getting used to it now?

  • 203 toonking // May 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    JFA this owner did that but when gilette was in charge chaos spread into the club.

  • 204 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    Right,i’m off,or as they say in the Czech Republic Moustache.

  • 205 jimmysmith // May 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM

    “Newcastle are not safe yet, and now is not the time to be rocking the boat, so it’s probably best to keep all the debate about what happens next at Newcastle – until the end of the season – or when we are safe in the Premier League.”

    Hee, hee – a little metephorical cuff round the ear for the disruptive gang of ne’er do wells on the blog

    You know who you are.

    Smarten up and fly right. Like Ed say’s.

  • 206 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    Gonna check on yer H2o

  • 207 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:36 PM

    I’d love to see us move for the like’s of Ince, Matty Phillips and Redmond as we need to add to our homegrown contingent. Also heard Jordan Rhodes name mentioned somewhere?

  • 208 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:37 PM

    Tom Huddlestone

    Overrated or underrated?

  • 209 jimmysmith // May 8, 2013 at 9:38 PM


  • 210 MrMojoRisin76 // May 8, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Malicious Retard Blocked May 8 at 9:36 PM

  • 211 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:38 PM

    Would rather see Shane Long than Carroll

  • 212 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:38 PM


  • 213 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    @ beattie

    Decent at spraying passes around but needs Dembele beside him rather than Parker IMO.

  • 214 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:39 PM


    I think the fight, passion desire, call it what you want stems from the manager, and seeings as Pardew is so passive/negative it show’s in the players

  • 215 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // May 8, 2013 at 9:39 PM

    @207 was the former now the latter

  • 216 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    Huddlestone – yes

  • 217 p // May 8, 2013 at 9:40 PM

    daztoon, I like Shane Long as well but I think we need presence in the box

  • 218 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:42 PM

    Would anyone like to see a midfield 3 of Huddlestone, Sissoko and Cabaye?

  • 219 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 9:42 PM

    Kevin Doyle anyone?

  • 220 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // May 8, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    I am also a Shane long fan but would prefer a stronger forward.
    I haven’t seen Andy Carroll’s name mentioned yet so I’ll throw that one in there

  • 221 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:43 PM

    I wouldn’t touch a Wolves player after their season. They have been worse than us.

  • 222 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:44 PM


    would rather see Anita, Sissoko, Cabaye tbh

  • 223 santonthenewmaldini // May 8, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    I really like Shane Long but he is always injured !!A younger player like him from the championship would be great

    He gets quite a lot of hamstring injuries so he would fit in quite well here saying that would get on well with Arfa in the medical room

  • 224 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:45 PM

    A Bellamy type player would be perfect (without the attitude of course)

  • 225 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Charlie Austin would be decent

  • 226 yorkymag // May 8, 2013 at 9:46 PM

    Jack butler
    Forget Rhodes he is going to man utd with moyes tried to sign him at Everton out of our league ,he would be bril but not going to happen

  • 227 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:49 PM


    tbh mate i heard his name mention somewhere so I have no idea if there is any credence to it

  • 228 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    I’d prefer to have a creative striker like Suarez alongside Cisse.

    Maybe Mathias Suarez of Aderlecht. Agree we also need a big CF to offer versatility.

  • 229 Puppet Pardew's Brainlessness // May 8, 2013 at 9:49 PM

    Rooney will be on the move….

  • 230 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:50 PM


    If Pardew stays I don’t see Anita having a future sadly.

    I hope little Vurn does stay though as he is quality.

  • 231 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 9:51 PM

    I know is age is against our transfer policy but would anyone take Berbatov think he would be perfect for Cisse and link the midfield

  • 232 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:52 PM


    Austin thrives on creativity. If we aren’t creating chances then he would’t offer anymore than Cisse IMO.

    If we got a decent LW then yeah, good call.

  • 233 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:54 PM


    Got a feeling that age may go out the window this Summer.

    Probably won’t get Berbatov but I think we will get Hangelaand.

    Don’t know why but I think he is Colo’s replacement. Not my choice but something tells me he is a NUFC player soon.

  • 234 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Dimitri Payet would slot nicely into LW

  • 235 yorkymag // May 8, 2013 at 9:55 PM

    I think Jordan Rhodes is top top striker he will score 20 pls goals a season who ever he plays for
    But here’s a conundrum I know a scout for Everton very well and he tells me that the scouting community think Adam Campbell is potentially as good if not better than Rhodes ,the only difference is Jordan is playing games while Adam warms the bench they simply can’t understand why turnip is not giving our boy game time
    Enough said

  • 236 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:55 PM


    I am simply refusing to believe that Ashley will be blind enough to allow Pardew to continue so Anita will have a big part to play next season under a manager who actually knows what he’s able to give us

  • 237 BandB // May 8, 2013 at 9:57 PM

    If Mike Ashley’s left hand knew what his right hand was doing he’d cut it off.
    Don’t be surprised if, when all the results are in, he judges it in a what might seem a counter-intuitive way, and does exactly the reverse of what you’d expect.

  • 238 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 9:58 PM


    If we supported Sports Direct United then I would say with 100% certainty Pardew would be gone.

    We will have to wait and see for Newcastle United I’m afraid.

  • 239 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 9:58 PM

    Carroll, doyle?? Are you preparing for life in the championship?

    Disagree with that fight on the pitch comes from having a leader on the pitch, we havent had one most of the season since colo has been out…
    As for williams i dont think his age really matters colo was the same age as that when we signed him and £10 mil for an experinced CB isnt much imo

    Purely transfers mate!
    Huddlestone for me isnt overrated but is also pretty average and seriously injury prone, know a few spurs fans that really couldnt care less if he stays or goes!
    Have a feeling next season our midfield will be much better purely through cabaye
    He’s had a shocking season but i also think he’s had a bit of a culture shock
    An intense first season followed by a european cup followed by a hideous season with extra games and a bout of depresion
    Nice long summer off for the lad, a chance to get his sh1t together and reckon he’ll come back a different player!!!

    You said earlier about would ashley spend the amount needed, i think he would but would expect it to be partially bank rolled by a couple of players
    If we saw £20 odd mil for benny and tiote o could see that happening, tiote has gone off the boil and he’s seeing an investment dwindle and benny, as good as he is, simply isnt available enough to us

  • 240 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    It has really pi**ed me off that we are seriously short on goals and yet Pardew simply refuses to play Gouffran as a striker despite him being second highest goals scorer in France before he came to us.

    We are all talking about what strikers we need come the summer when we could already have him here

  • 241 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    I will be shocked if Pardew is not our manager next year.

  • 242 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 10:00 PM


    I think he will keep Pardew and sack Carr to be honest. He will lay the blame at the doors of the players, sell them and allow Pardew to buy who he thinks is correct.

    That is opposite of what most believe should happen.

  • 243 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    @ JB

    I agree. Goals win games and Gouffran can get close to Cisse and free up openings for eachother. I would like to see:






  • 244 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    Carroll would be class, exactly what were missing this season. Wasn’t being serious about Doyle :D

  • 245 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:05 PM


    The fight the players have on the pitch comes from what the manager allows them to get away with. If a player at Man Utd doesn’t shows no fight on the pitch there is no way in hell that Fergie will allow him to get away with as it’s something that he demands from all his players without exception.

    I know we’ve been without a real leader on the pitch since Nolan left us but if Pardew doesn’t demand that from his players then he’s not gonna get it

  • 246 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 10:05 PM

    Gouffran is another player mis managed by Pardumb scored some great goals to in France

  • 247 BandB // May 8, 2013 at 10:06 PM


    Why would he want to sack Carr? I wouldn’t take anything on face value. When you are stuck for what to think, flip the coin, and see how it looks upside down.
    Bedtime for this Bonzo.

  • 248 yorkymag // May 8, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Big pappa
    Sissoko out for rest of season

  • 249 do the hatem shake // May 8, 2013 at 10:06 PM

    Big Pappa Cissé that team is perfect especially at loftus road on a narrow pitch

  • 250 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Think we’ll have to agree to disagree about carroll as im pretty sure we already have an injury prone target man who rarely finds the net

  • 251 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    If Colo leaves in the summer who would people have as next captain, for me Cabaye is not captain material. Too petulant to be a leader of men.

  • 252 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:08 PM


    Sack Carr?????

    Not even Ashley is that misguided

  • 253 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    @ yorky

    I thought that was just rumours ? . In that case swap him for Tiote

  • 254 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 10:09 PM

    Last season we had nothing but a point to prove so we didn’t need leadership as there was a unity. The team were together to shut people up who thought we would struggle.

    This season we had expectations to maintain and we were desperate for leadership because there is no unity. The team has struggled because people expected big things.

  • 255 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 10:10 PM

    Jack Butler
    These are toddlers mate, there fully grown men, there professionals, no one will conivnce me that they need the manager to tell them they should be putting in the effort
    Do these lads have no pride?

  • 256 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    tads you can’t compare Carroll and Shola mate it’s a no contest. Andy would be a quality signing we need a powerful striker to give us another option.

  • 257 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    @daz – Not even trying Gouffran up front when we are so short on goals is simply another failing of our deluded manager, that and playing Sissoko as a No#10 then leaving HBA out on the wing while having Cabaye as a deep laying midfielder proves to everyone just how far out of touch this fool really is.

    He simply has to be sacked

  • 258 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:11 PM

    @ Geordie

    M’biwa once he learns English. Captained Montpellier to the league title which is more than anyone else at the club has done as a captain, other than Cabaye but as you say Yohan doesn’t look like the most vocal captain IMO

  • 259 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 10:12 PM

    So basically we hace a team of players who brick it under the pressure!!!!

  • 260 Thump // May 8, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    @Big Pappa Cisse: Nah, seems like it’s legit. In all fairness he’s played a lot of games in a short space of time. It was always going to take it’s toll on him.

  • 261 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:14 PM


    I think its a moot point anyway mate as I truly believe that the players have lost all faith in Pardew and a new manager will get far more out of them than Pardew ever could

  • 262 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 10:14 PM

    I would seriously consider Krul as captain.

  • 263 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:15 PM

    Og God not Carroll talk again :) . We aren’t gonna get the guy for cheap and unless we can further down the road I wouldn’t bother. Would you rather pay the best Part of 20 million for an injury prone target man or get someone like Benteke who is the whole package ? .

  • 264 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 10:16 PM

    Problem is if Pardumb is given another chance he will make the same mistakes and excuses next season.

  • 265 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    It’s a shame that Saylor didn’t have more than fresh air rattling around inside his head or he’d make a great captain

  • 266 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 10:17 PM


    We have a team that has had no reason not to brick it.

    When it’s come to the crunch the manager has failed to motivate the players to go one better than last.

    Who can blame them with such poor leadership off the field and a lack of ambition in the board room?

  • 267 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    Why can’t we just go out and sign ?lkay Gündo?an :) . That guy has a big future.

  • 268 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    I can mate and i have
    Andy carroll is big but powerfull? He spends half the game on his ass whining to the ref, the boy is soft as they come
    He’s injury prone
    He’s overpaid massivley
    He’s over rated massivley
    He wouldnt be happy playing second fiddle to a proper number 9
    He’s the exact excuse to play the brand of football we have all hated under pardew
    He’s sh1t

    Thats my opinion, nothing will change it
    Andy carroll would be the biggest backwards step the toon could ever make, ever

  • 269 Shane // May 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM

    David Moyes first transfer will be Fellaini.

    followed by the relegation induced summer buys of Cabaye and Ben Arfa.


    I just had a nap before work and dreamt this.

  • 270 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM


    I think there has been a lack of effort recently but in the season I think the effort has been there but the direction has not.

  • 271 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    Two games left can we really go a whole season and not score from a corner.
    Has another team done this as that would be another record for Pardew

  • 272 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:19 PM

    Why can’t we just go out and sign lkay Gündogan :) . That guy has a big future.

  • 273 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 10:19 PM


    If Mertens is £10m + and AC is £18m then I know who I’d be bidding for. Dunno why we still bring him up. If we get Rafa we’ll need some stronger AMs so Mertens and De Jong would do nicely for £20m.

  • 274 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Great a club full of bottlejobs!! :)
    QPR should be fun then, no pressure there like!!

  • 275 jimmysmith // May 8, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Of course we brick it. 50 000, week in week out, year after year, seething with desperation, anxiety and the sense that our dreams are fated to remain forever unrealised. It’s amazing we’re not catatonic!

  • 276 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:23 PM

    Again why are we talking about Carrol when we already have Gouffran here??? Give the guy a chance and he’ll score for us just as he did in France.

    Carrol had his chance with us and walked away plus I don’t think we have enough treatment tables as it is without adding another injury prone player

  • 277 Thump // May 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Regarding captaincy, I don’t think Krul is a good choice. Midfielders tend to make the best captains because they’re in amongst it. Lest we forget that Krul has only just learned to talk to his defensive line – he’s not one to be screaming at the strikers to get into gear.

    Cabaye, while not the most vocal, is the best we have. Nobody else in the team really strikes me as captain material. On the same note, I thought the same thing about Nolan when we signed him so what do I know?

  • 278 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    He’s injury prone – No more than Ben Arfa, we all seem to gush over him.
    He’s overpaid massivley – As is every footballer
    He’s over rated massivley – Reputation means nothing.
    He wouldnt be happy playing second fiddle to a proper number 9 – Hope you aren’t saying Cisse is a proper number nine because he is not. He is a scorer of good goals not a goalscorer
    He’s the exact excuse to play the brand of football we have all hated under pardew – Bollocks. Some of the best teams in the world play with a big taget man and they still play decent football.
    He’s sh1t – Bet you weren’t saying that when we sold him

  • 279 catchy in norway // May 8, 2013 at 10:26 PM

    i think TS has talked a lot of sense tonight

    i only got up to comment 80, but the argument he has put accross as to why pardew is NOT the right guy is the right one,
    he has explained all the things i have been saying for 2 years with a carmness that i wish i had,

    there has been a core band of us that have been laughed at for saying how poor he is as a manager, but finally im glad that most of you are now on bored with the idea he is not the guy to lead this club forward

    hopefully he is removed from the club in the summer, followed by DL,
    these 2 are killing everything good about our club

    lets hope MA get someone to give him sound advice very soon

  • 280 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    I know a lot of you don’t want Carroll back but I still think he would be a good addition to our attack if the price was right.

    I’ll leave it at that.

  • 281 Thump // May 8, 2013 at 10:27 PM

    That’s a good shout, BPC. Wouldn’t mind him at all but Dortmund would be asking for a massive amount of cash to part with him.

    Has anybody else heard that we’re supposedly in for Charlie Austin? Decent player, not sure if he has it to step up to the PL, though.

  • 282 santonthenewmaldini // May 8, 2013 at 10:28 PM

    Carroll for us would be immense

    He would also score a lot of the chances that Cisse has missed this season

    But if he is going to cost about 18 million then no way

    Could see Everton in deep trouble next season as well cause they have survived well because of Moyes he will sign Baines and Fellaini if he is Man Utd manager

    They will probably end up with Martinez I think if Wigan go down

  • 283 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    The wit and wisdom of SAF

    “He could start a row in an empty house.”

    Thought youse all might like that one…

  • 284 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    Thump I mentioned Austin earlier on he would be a class signing.

  • 285 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM


    HBA may be injury prone but we are not discussing spending 18 million to buy him!

  • 286 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    Jeremain Lens anyone?

  • 287 TimKrulFan // May 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    If we do get a new manager expect to see a lot more of Anita,Marv and obertan.

  • 288 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    Lens good call

  • 289 Thump // May 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM

    Sorry, geordie1892! Haven’t read through the comments hah.

    Aye, I wouldn’t mind him. Canny player (at least he is in my Brighton FM save!) and seems to have had a brilliant season at Burnley. Would love to see what he can do but I’ve a feeling he’ll end up going to West Brom or Fulham.

  • 290 midweek weekend // May 8, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    hi, guys first post, been reading here quite a few years now though.

    today we saw sir Alex Ferguson retire, hate the man but looking at this career he was quite bad at the start and lucky not to get sacked, united stuck with him and never looked back. now this season has been awful and a lot of blame is aimed at pardew and he hasn’t done well enough this season. but i had a think today at work, maybe pardew is still learning ( been a manger years i know ) but when you think about it, this team is the best alans ever had to manage and perhaps he is a long ball manager and perhaps all these top quality players, who play more attacking football than just hoof ball so maybe just maybe pardew just doesn’t know how to use the skillful attacking players we got. i wanted him to be sacked but just who else is gonna come in surely we cant get benitez and i’d die if we landed mourinho so i just dont know sacking him might be good but sticking with him might work out, maybe pardew can learn to use these players and learn to attack but i don’t know lets just beat qpr and stay up!

  • 291 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:35 PM

    I don’t know about anyone else but I would definitely take a pop on Kone & Maloney from Wigan when (hopefully) they go down.

  • 292 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM


    Maybe not Obertan – I think he’ll go in the clear out.
    Sure now the reason SAF got rid of him was because he lacks resilience

  • 293 Thump // May 8, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    @yo-yo: and ability ;)

  • 294 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    I hoped we get Austin in January after Remy fell through as I felt he was still good VFM considering he has scored every league he’s played in.

  • 295 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:37 PM

    Lens is a decent shout we also need a good winger IMO, Sinclair and Dries Mertens would be my ideal choices.

  • 296 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 10:38 PM

    You his agent? Like i said its an opinion but fcuk it ok

    He’s injury prone – No more than Ben Arfa, we all seem to gush over him.
    Read my earlier post, i daid if we sold him to fund new players i wouldnt mind as he’s never available, also when fit he’s a cracking player andy is not, be better putting up a lampost on the penalty spot and booting balls at it
    As for gushing over benny bet you wouldnt give carroll a second thought if he was a local

    He’s overpaid massivley – As is every footballer
    Bo not really the ones on £90k like him or on it based on ability and there worth to the team, nit because of hype and a poor manager on a PR drive ala dagliesh

    He’s over rated massivley – Reputation means nothing.
    Absolute bollox
    Your reputation is absolutley everything in football, try telling that peach to alex ferguson
    Also when your rate someone its on there ability, andy carroll lacks that

    He wouldnt be happy playing second fiddle to a proper number 9 – Hope you aren’t saying Cisse is a proper number nine because he is not. He is a scorer of good goals not a goalscorer
    A number 9′s job is to put the ball in the back of the net
    And i hope your not suggesting AC is a proper number 9 because he cant do either with any form of consitency

    He’s the exact excuse to play the brand of football we have all hated under pardew – Bollocks. Some of the best teams in the world play with a big taget man and they still play decent football.
    Like who? PSG? Because ibra is a bit different to andy, he can use his feet
    Who else? Villa with benteke? Once again has pace snd great feet
    Oh and of course stoke…..

    He’s sh1t – Bet you weren’t saying that when we sold him
    You mean for £35 mil? No your right i wasnt saying anything i was laughing to hard

  • 297 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Has anyone seen we have been linked with Joe Allen for £8 million?

  • 298 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM

    Nobody is discussing paying 18million for Carroll. He would be a good signing but for that figure we could get better.

    Thump, He would be a good buy but can’t see Burnley wanting to lose him for cheap. Fulham seems a decent shout for him to end up.

  • 299 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 10:40 PM


    They did a bio of SAF today and one of the main things he recruited players on is ‘character’ even going to see the family home and getting under their skin in terms of attitude.
    Obertan has the ability (latent maybe) but not the resilience/bottle to be tough on the pitch. Its more a character flaw than anything else with him imo

  • 300 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    Wilfried Bony
    Jeremain Lens
    Mamadou Sakho
    Ryad Boudebouz
    Nathan Redmond

    Oh if only

  • 301 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    Really? That would be a big loss on him from pool but a decent signing

  • 302 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    Does anyone else think we should tap into the German market. Send Carr to Germany and maybe he can find some future gems like Reus,Draxxler,Gotze,Gundogan,De Bruyne,Schurlle,Marin,Kroos and more.

    Does no one else think so ? Its strange that there aren’t many Germans in the PL as it is quite similar in physicality and style IMO.

  • 303 TimKrulFan // May 8, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    I think obertan is underrated he offers way more than guti his sheer pace makes teams drop there line.

  • 304 daztoon-anti christ is that the time // May 8, 2013 at 10:44 PM

    A player like Obertan would do well in a Swansea style pass and move side a quick tempo where doesn’t have to long to think about what to do with the ball

  • 305 Earl // May 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM

    in regards to Caroll. I think he would be a good addition to our squad in my opinion. I think its generally the English philosophy that a striker whose over 6 ft should be bombarded with long balls, players should just pump the ball into the box and use the height advantage. while it can be effective, look at teams like Bayern and Dortmund who have Mandzukic and Lewandowksi who are both around 6ft and over. Yet they are both brilliant technically . I think its more about us trying to drill the technical side into Carroll, and the only way to do that is having a manager and coaching staff prepared to adopt that approach, as hes got all the makings of being a good forward

  • 306 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 10:45 PM


    that makes sense – he could dep for Routledge :)

  • 307 Thump // May 8, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    @yo-yo: Honestly, I’ve got a soft spot for Ober. I’ve always thought he just lacked confidence. Even when he’s been playing brilliantly he still seems to lose it.

  • 308 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Chelsea have already snapped up Marin and De Bruyne

  • 309 donkey // May 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    fed up on hearing cisse just needs somebody who can play upfront with him and make chances for him and everybody anti andy carrol dont forget we wernt in this mess when he was playing for us i really do hope cisse is sold in the summer he does not offer anythink upfront for us in my opinion apart from the odd wonder goal and 5 chances missed before that

  • 310 Earl // May 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Jesus Im speaking as if hes still ours! but any team who could work on his technical side could make him reach his potential

  • 311 Cisse's Big Toe // May 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Beattie joe allen, as a replacement for yohan, no, alongside, yes

  • 312 northernirishtoon // May 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Seen somewhere today odds on mike phelan have dropped from 40′s to 14′s on being our next manager

    What do you think

  • 313 yo-yo // May 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM


    Still reckon a top notch sports psychologist could sort out a lot of these type of problems at the Toon – including Oba’s confidence issues. Prob goes back to his sister stamping on his hamster when he was a bairn.

  • 314 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:48 PM

    Obertan if exactly the same as Kenwyne Jones, they both have all the attributes needed to succeed but both seem incapable of tapping into them and finding a way to constantly perform at this level

  • 315 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 10:50 PM

    Neither dagleish or rodgers, who had liverpool playing a fast tempo passing game could drill the technicsl side into him
    Whats changed?

  • 316 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    Havent they already agreed a deal for andre schurle aswell??

  • 317 JackButler // May 8, 2013 at 10:52 PM

    It should tell you everything you need to know about Carrol by the fact that the only two managers who openly want him are Pardew and Big Sam while a manager like Rodger’s, who is known for having his side pass the ball doesn’t want anything to do with him

  • 318 Thump // May 8, 2013 at 10:53 PM

    @yo-yo: Definitely. I think it would sort the whole place out. Would be interesting to see the shift in mentality at the very least.

  • 319 geordie1892 // May 8, 2013 at 10:55 PM

    You ok tads, seem a bit aggressive chill out man.

    1. I wouldn’t want him as much if he weren’t a geordie but what can I say I like to see local lads play for my local team.

    2. He is overpaid I’m not arguing with you there but what does that matter you don’t pay his wages, whats to say he wouldn’t take a pay cut to come back?

    3. A good reputation doesn’t make you a good player. Tiote has a far bigger rep than perch but who has been the better player?

    4. I don’t get you point as Carroll does put the ball in the net and is quite decent with the ball at his feet.

    5. There are a lot of teams who employ a target man and play decent football. Just because you have a big man upfront doesn’t mean every pass needs to be aimed at his forehead.

    6. I bet you were…

  • 320 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    @ tads

    Not sure m8. If they have then they bought three quality prospects for the future.

  • 321 Earl // May 8, 2013 at 11:01 PM

    Obviously we don’t know what he was like in Training, but he was loaned out to West ham In august last year, with roger being appointed in June . It didn’t exactly give Caroll much time to adapt to rogers style. It wasn’t till earlier this year, when we saw Liverpool actually adapting fully to rogers philosophy. And wasnt dalglish not quite a defensive style? anyway I was talking more about the english thinking of big forwards as being big headers, but I don’t see any reason why we can’t change it when you can see other countries utilising big forwards to be effective on the ground

  • 322 Big Pappa Cissé // May 8, 2013 at 11:03 PM

    There are two ways to utilize a big man up front

    1) Lump it up from the back and hope he can knock it down from other players and nick a few for himself from set pieces

    2) Do it the right way like Bayern with flying wingers in Robben and Ribery crossing and cutting back for Mario Gomez.

  • 323 toonarmydownsouth // May 8, 2013 at 11:04 PM

    Probably because you started making assumptions over me gushing over players then saying bollox to every other point, which as i stated was an opinion, i aldo said agree to disagree but you seem to think there some form of merit in debating a player who wont be coming here
    If you find that aggressive you must be pretty timid mate

  • 324 santonthenewmaldini // May 8, 2013 at 11:06 PM

    Problem with a lot of German players is that they tend to go for big money when they do get sold unless they are out of contract

    Unless you get them really young which can be a bit of a risk but I would love to see us with a Michael Ballack type player in the middle!!!

  • 325 Earl // May 8, 2013 at 11:11 PM


    I think the only way we could manage that is to make use of St. Georges Park and mold a Micheal Ballack of our own, but he will be called Paul or Steve maybe

  • 326 santonthenewmaldini // May 8, 2013 at 11:14 PM


    Would love it if we could produce youngsters as good as Ballack!!!

  • 327 Earl // May 8, 2013 at 11:15 PM


    Haha we could only dream mate!

  • 328 headtheball // May 8, 2013 at 11:22 PM

    We resemble an under performing runner.
    We have injuries and fatigue but these are symptoms.
    The cause is CONSTIPATION.
    Until we PURGE and get rid of the EXCRETIA we will be an also-ran. Simples.

  • 329 Beattie25 // May 8, 2013 at 11:23 PM

    You guys want the next Ballack?

    Leon Goretzka is his name.

    18 yrs old plays for Bochum and is an attacking midfield in the mold of Ballack.

    Mn Utd are interested apparently.

  • 330 Earl // May 8, 2013 at 11:26 PM


    haha that has to be the most imaginative take on our season so far!

  • 331 Earl // May 8, 2013 at 11:33 PM


    Sounds a promising player. Would probably be better off going to Man U, as at the minute I don’t see many of our prospects thriving under our current coaching team. If Ashley wants to revamp the youth setup, then we need to invest in our coaching. Then maybe we might get a Ballack some day!

  • 332 Krul to be Kind // May 8, 2013 at 11:43 PM

    lads, never mind a Ballack… with the right guidance we have a Moussa!!! ;_)

  • 333 santonthenewmaldini // May 8, 2013 at 11:44 PM

    Would love it if we beat QPR and Arsenal beat Wigan

    Then I could totally relax about the last game of the season and enjoy it!!

    Saying that was a good result for us tonight cause it means Arsenal might not have anything to play for when they come to our place!

    Also means Spurs and Chelsea will have to go all out against Villa and Sunderland !!

  • 334 Earl // May 8, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    haha we are just getting carried away now lads. its plain to see there will be another 3 Ameobi brothers and more than likely a Perchininho

  • 335 HAZZY1 // May 8, 2013 at 11:57 PM

    @Beattie Were did u hear about Joe Allen id love a player like that in our mid he is just like cabs but faster?

  • 336 santonthenewmaldini // May 9, 2013 at 12:03 AM

    There would be no point in us signing Joe Allen as Pardew would not use him properly

    We already have a player more than capable of playing like Joe Allen but does not get a look in

    Anita was amazing for Ajax and how Pardew cannot see that he is the player to make us tick I do not know Anita also offers a goal threat which Joe Allen does not!!!

  • 337 Novocastrian66 // May 9, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    Santon; if we do not get something on Sunday you have to question the player’s desire. It will be nothing short of a disgrace. We have to want a win more than QPR. Surely.
    While Pardew has to look at himself the players cannot divorce themselves from the situation we are in.

  • 338 santonthenewmaldini // May 9, 2013 at 12:09 AM


    Oh totally agree I think against West Ham we looked good at the start but I think our confidence is gone from too many poundings but if we take the game to QPR we should get the result we deserve

    It should not even matter who Pardew selects or what formation for this game its down to the players to deliver even if you dont like the manager deliver for the fans especially those who will be in the away end singing their hearts out all game!

  • 339 Big Pappa Cissé // May 9, 2013 at 12:09 AM

    @ Hazzy

    Allen isn’t fit to lace Cabaye’s boots and we have someone who can do Allens job and more in Anita. Pardew just hates the kid for some reason.

  • 340 LeToonARMY // May 9, 2013 at 12:14 AM

    What you guys think of this team ???? (If Santon is fit)
    ___Debuchy__Yanga Mbiwa___Collo____ Santon___
    _____Ben Arfa_____Cabaye_____Gouffran_______

    Sammy A

  • 341 HAZZY1 // May 9, 2013 at 12:26 AM

    Big Pappa I do like anita i think he is a good player but he isnt suited to the prem he is better in holland here we need a core of uk based players to progress the french will come good but need time to settle just like colo did we dont have time or good enough players to step in until they r ready anita is too much a light weight for dm and not fast enough for cm or acm.

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