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Transfer Plans Hit By Relegation Fears – Put On Hold

9:31 am, Friday, May 10th, 2013 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 107 Comments

It’s hardly surprising that Newcastle’s transfer plan for this summer have been held up until the club can ensure they will be in the Premier League next season.

alan pardew stern unsmiling

Alan Pardew – can he secure Newcastle’s safety?

And the other thing our relegation fight does is not make it easier for Newcastle to attract top players to Tyneside – if we survive it’s going to be that much more difficult to get top players through the door.

The Newcastle Journal is reporting that some early transfers were planned  in the transfer window – but that will not happen until Newcastle get to safety, and it could all hinge on the last match at home to Arsenal.

We hope it doesn’t hinge on the last match at home to Arsenal. :(

Once we are safe there are a couple of things that need to be decided fairly quickly:

  • Can we keep Fabricio Coloccini at the club for the next three years?
  • Is Alan Pardew the right person to take Newcastle forward?

We have no idea if Newcastle can keep Colo, but it’s now obvious he’s a big cog in Newcastle’s wheel – and his absence in the last 12 games has been a major factor leading to our current demise.

It’s touch and go about Alan Pardew, but it could be that Ashley will keep him.

It’s  in Alan’s favor that Alex Ferguson and David Moyes are in the news at the moment – because in their careers at Manchester United and Everton respectively – both managers struggled in the their early years and could have been fired.

But we’ll have to wait and see, and of course we need to be safe first – that’s all that matters right now.

Maybe on Sunday at QPR?

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107 responses so far ↓

  • 1 cyprus // May 10, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Jayphoto,
    Sports, importantly, is not racist. The better players, wherever they are from, go up to the next level… This argument, that homegrown players miss out because of imports, is one that I’ve heard in many countries.

  • 2 Santon03 // May 10, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    If I were a scout for this club, I would go to Italy for defenders and DM, Germany for attacking Midfield, and Holland for strikers.

  • 3 Lilongwe Geordie // May 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    Fray,
    That is exactly what Ashley is trying to implement, but initially he needs to supplement the young talent with signings who are 17/18/19. His entire vision is based on the club producing its own players. Unfortunately, so far he has either been ill advised, or didn’t realise the extent to which he needs to re structure. It doesn’t help having coaches that can’t coach, but tell him what he wants to hear. Beardsley needs shipping out, Stone Pardew, I could go on. It is a wholesale backroom change, and a change in method of development. Hopefully he will realise and implement this summer.

  • 4 Lilongwe Geordie // May 10, 2013 at 9:37 AM

    Santon,
    Holland for strikers? May I ask why? Van Nistelrooy did well in the UK, but I can’t think of many that have come from a dutch club that have successfully made the transition to the Prem.

  • 5 ErnestHemingway // May 10, 2013 at 9:39 AM

    Fray bentos

    I hear what you’re saying and I agree. We are suffering an identity crisis.

    Cyprus

    Football may or may not be racist, but it is a business. And as in any business, if a product can be purchased cheaper from a foreign market, then it makes business sense to buy the product from there. But it doesn’t always make football sense.

    A football club should never forget what made it special in the first place.

  • 6 Santon03 // May 10, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    Lilong

    Suarez, RVP, Ruud, Bergkamp, Huntelaar, Ronaldo not Christiano, etc.

    They seems to produce great strikers especially with long shots ability.

  • 7 Generic Commenter // May 10, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    We always here about struggling to attract the top players, I don’t think this is an issue if the scouts are clever, which they have proved time and time again. Swansea got Mitchu for a fraction of what he would cost now, and he’s proving to be a top player. And QPR apparently attracted the ‘top’ players like Remy and Samba and they were bottom of the league. Just because a player has a price tag of £30 million- £40 million doesn’t make them the worlds best

  • 8 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 9:41 AM

    was working france coincidently, talk is everywhere there that Rene Girard has been approached by a premier league team to begin work next season. Girards main focus is to develop young players and to play attacking technical football aswell as to make do on a shoestring budget. Don’t know if its nufc that have approached him but he sure would fit the Ashley blue print! Made a title winning team in Montpellier out of absolutely thin air practically, i know it’s only Ligue 1 but it’s a massive achievmement, it’s the equivelent of someone taking over say Blackburn or Leeds and winning the premier league in 3 seasons!

  • 9 Rainrix // May 10, 2013 at 9:42 AM

    Lilongwe… Van persie? :) Yeah i know what you mean though a lot of them aren’t huge successes but then you get the occasional van persie or nistelrooy who are brilliant then you get a lot of average ones like kuyt and bad ones like kluivert :)

  • 10 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    jay

    that’s interesting (villa story), just way too many clubs sacrifice skill for size…why england has been poor for 40 years in international football and only ever made 1 final.

    Fray

    Yeh I know what you mean, but we can only scout local kids as with only 2nd class academy status we cannot bring kids of a certain age from all over the country..limits us.

    The thing with developing and taking a long time is you need a settled owner who plans to invest a lot of time and money in the academy and bring in the best coaches.

    I think it’s a great idea and something done well in other countries just in England it doesn’t seem to be the way to go. The problem is that if you have lots of managers, each with their own style some kids coming through are discarded. We need to be like swansea and decide on a style of play then get the academy going, scouting going and then look to bring in a manager who uses those players well..and if he leaves get a manager cut from the same cloth/.

  • 11 Hatem's better than Messi // May 10, 2013 at 9:44 AM

    1. Colo was playing when we were on that record losing streak in Nov – Jan.
    If he’s under contract he’ll have to honour it.

    2. Pardew needs replacing. He’s too defensive. After 2.5 seasons of his coaching we can’t pass the ball or keep possession.

  • 12 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    santon – not much value in Holland though, suarez cost over 22m, ruud was 19m after a career threatening injury, even Alphonso Alves cost 14m! Think the trick to scouting Holland is the same as Scotland, you can’t let yourself be impressed by goals or assists, it takes a better scout to get it right there, looking at players actual attributes, movements etc because it’s shown, second rate players can really look world beaters there i.e.: Alves, Samaras, Dost, Kezman

  • 13 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    cyprus

    it’s often an excuse as why england don’t do well…too many foreign players etc.

    we were rubbish in the 70s, rubbish in the 80’s…if anything we have better players now..just other teams around us have improved even more.

  • 14 Lilongwe Geordie // May 10, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    OSanton,
    Okay, Suarez, yes. RVP, eventually, took him 6/7 years to really look good, prior to that he never looked more than a squad player. Bergkamp came from Inter not a dutch club Ronaldo never played in the prem, and time will tll on Huntelaar if Norwich stay up, although again he won’t be coming directly from a dutch club.

    You missed Jimmy floyd Hasselbaink.

    Kezman, Tomasson, Boogers,Babel, Collins John, Reuser, Van Hooijdonk, Vennegor of Hesselink, Wijnhard. All of these players scored lots of goals in Holland but flopped in the UK. For me, the leagues don’t match up in terms of scoring ability. Personally I wouldn’t look at strikers from Holland, except in very rare cases where they have the attributes, rather than a scoring record.

  • 15 Spotlight Kid // May 10, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    NUFC will NOT be relegated unless Pardew proves even more incompetent than I know he already is. The reason for this has to do with a certain crafty Cockney manager – but not our dumbo Pardew.

    ‘Arry will not want too much opposition in the Championsip next season, and with an eye on immediate automatic promotion I cannot see him risking those overpaid QPR unfaithfulls whom he hath convinced to stay on for another season being in the same pond as a squad like ours – as theoretically we should book one of those automatic places from day 1.

    So a couple of messy mix ups at the back (or a daft penalty in which the defender or goalkeeper is sent off) on Sunday means 3 worthless home points gifted to NUFC. This would be ‘Arry’s very best first result for the upcoming 2013-14 Championship season!

    SO the dice are loaded, the table tilted – and how will Pardew respond this gift-horse? I shudder to think, actually. Which is probably why he has those gambling debts in the first place!

  • 16 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    T-S yea, there was one lad there is particular, was the captain, was a class above! Seen this lad show up a lot of players who went on to play at the higher levels, was a centre midfielder, problem was he was only 5″6, he’s a mechanic now, playing semi pro! Remains the best player i’ve seen at that level (after Matt Etherington), he pissed all over man utd and Evertons youth sides (who were the best around at that time)

  • 17 Lilongwe Geordie // May 10, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    I forgot about Alves and Samaras!!

  • 18 Harley // May 10, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    My answers to Eds 2 questions.

    Yes I’d like to keep colo. I know he was present in the bad run but for me that was a team thing not one individual.

    No pardew isn’t the man to take us forward. There’s no light at the end of the tunnel. Even last season we didn’t play good football, just ground out results. And this season has been the worst football I’ve ever witnessed by Newcastle. Even worse than souness.

  • 19 ErnestHemingway // May 10, 2013 at 9:50 AM

    Lilongwe

    What mike ashley is wanting to do is produce players and them sell them on for a profit. He has no respect for our history, heritage, culture or past.

    He was worked with two nufc legends in keegan and shearer and treated them like they were muck. He changed the same of st James park to an email address. Unforgivable.

    When I was watching sky sports news yesterday, David Beckham was being interviewed about his first meeting with sir Alex in his office at old trafford. Beckham said he could still smell sir Matt busbys cigar smoke. That’s fantastic. And backs up what I was saying the other day. Fergie was a master at this. Making sure the new players know exactly what it means to pull on the shirt and what legends have been at the club before you; what it means to represent the badge, the city, the fans; what you have to live up to if you are to be successful at the club.

    Now, I’m not saying we have been as successful as man utd have been in the past, but we have our own history, culture and tradition. And this is being forgotten. I honestly don’t think any of the ew lads have a clue who jackie milburn, Joe Harvey, supermac is. They probably think beardsley is a bloke with a bad haircut who trains the kids rather than the utter f****g genius he is.

    And instead of smelling the sweet scent of sir bobby when new players go to pardews office, all they will smell is the wafted of gambling and beer from ashleys office.

  • 20 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 9:51 AM

    Saying that, the absolute, donkey of a worst player i ever played against was Marlon Harewood! Absolute donkey is the only way I could describe him, and he’s gone on to have a few good seasons in the premier league (think he got 15 one year with west ham) and have a decent career!

  • 21 donkey // May 10, 2013 at 9:52 AM

    strange to think but if messi was english would he have ever made it man u turned him down and a lot of other team suprisingly. Barcalona were the only team willing to gamble on his hormone tablets need to take a leaf out of ajax and barcalona academys thats the only way nufc can compete with the chelseas and man citys by having a super cutting edge youth system the talent has allways been there just got to give it a nudge

  • 22 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    jay

    I had a mate who was in newcastle youth set up from around 10-15….they let him go not because he was too small but because they predicted his height by age 20 (using family height and other factors) and then said he probably wouldn’t be tall enough.

    It annoys me so much and it makes england look a laughing stock.

  • 23 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 9:53 AM

    lilongwe georgie- I can’t forget samaras! I put my dream team hopes on him one year! lol, he scored 9 goals in 10 games, and 6 goals in 6 games consecutively when man city signed him in the january! I thought he was gonna destroy the premier league, came back after pre season a shadow of the player…… just realising i could be describing cisse here……

  • 24 Harley // May 10, 2013 at 9:54 AM

    Huntelar to Norwich?!!!

    Jesus, they’ve gone up in the world!!!!!

    Van wolfswinkle maybe.

  • 25 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 9:54 AM

    jay

    hardwood was a big lad though and had a powerful shot….if you get enough chances you will no doubt have one or two purple patches in your career.

    The difference is good players keep the consistency up.

  • 26 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    Theres a couple young english lads that might be top players! Saw Gary Gardner a few times from villa, he’s kind of their Vuckic, expected to move mountains this season but got a nasty injury! Very talented player, much better than his brother! Southampton got a few good youngsters aswell. Problem is 3-4 years ago Chelsea pretty much signed any 14 year old that was worth signing at the time, they’ve got a youth academy full of world class potential that will never get the playing time to develop!

  • 27 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    harewood even

  • 28 Lilongwe Geordie // May 10, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    Right, have to go, need to go pick up 2 crates of beer for the after match celebrations tomorrow night, and set off on the journey down. Big away game against Cape Maclear tomorrow, on what is a shambles of a pitch.

    Unfortunately, it means I may miss the toon match on Sunday, but hoping to be back. Prediction is 2-1 to Newcastle. Cisse and a Cabaye free kick.

  • 29 Santon03 // May 10, 2013 at 9:57 AM

    Jay, Lilong

    I know some of them never played in England or didn’t go to England from Dutch teams, but they are good strikers.

    You can’t always get a Ronaldo or Suarez, some may flop. Just like any big teams buy superstars, they will not always work perfectly (like Torres or Sinclair) or Carr with amalfitano, but I still think they are producing great strikers better than any European countries.

  • 30 Lilongwe Geordie // May 10, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    Harley,
    Ha, yeah, my bad!!!

  • 31 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 9:59 AM

    jay

    southampton always produce great talent

    walcott, bale and chamberlain. Then players now like luke shaw look great…would love us to go for him.

    I think we should maybe raid their academy for coaches/scouting.

  • 32 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    to be honest, regarding Pardew, he has pretty much the best squad any NUFC manager has had since Keegan! If we get relegated then surely relegating this team makes him the worst manager in our history? I see catchy on here say that even when we finished 5th the football was awful, and I agree, it was! But that 5th place was an achievement, we had nowhere near the team then we do now! Players like Cabaye, Cisse, santon etc are fully adapted to the premier league after a full season, sissoko and MYM are top level players, debuchy is a french international!we’ve had Steven Taylor available a lot more games! unfortunately the blame has to come to the manager and coaching staff. Players are in wrong positions constantly and the tactics have cost us points numerous times! I’ll actually support Pardew as long as he’s manager, I think the NUFC job is possibly the hardest in EPL, but i’d be shocked if Ashley and LLambias don’t pull the trigger! An awful lot of money at stake and there has been zero encouragement on the pitch that things will change!

  • 33 Santon03 // May 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM

    TS

    West ham also produced gret players like Lampard, Cole, Carrick

  • 34 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    I think Colo will stay, if pardew (The winner) goes

  • 35 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 10:11 AM

    jayphoto

    I agree, the football was thye same then and is the same now. we just don’t have the luck any more

  • 36 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM

    TS- Hearing great things about James ward-prowse aswell! Not sure it’s solely their academy, but the first team manager, Pardew included has always been willing to give a 17 year old a chance! Theres a lot less pressure at southampton mind, and the whole club is built to develop young players! No point an academy developing youngsters if a first team manager won’t take the plunge and give them games! To be fair to pardew, bigirimana and sammy have played alot of games this season, and Campbell has made appearances despite not long being 18! Think Vuckic would have notched 20 games off the bench this season too and I think 3 from those 4 might turn out good players for us!

  • 37 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 10:14 AM

    santon

    maybe it’s easier being a london/south east club?

    if you can only bring kids in from a certain distance away then being in a more densely populated area would help surely.

    Jay

    Agree there, manager should be to blame. I have said numerous times last year was very good, he did what he had to do with the team he had, and it worked. Where he failed was adapting when things went against him like injuries.

    Can’t expect 5th again but all those losses should have a had a few draws and maybe a win or two in there. As a manger you have to overcome problems. He was never going to get 5th again with the problems but i don’t think 17th is good enough for what he has had available and some problems are his own doing.

  • 38 John Tudor // May 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM

    and managers pardew is consistently crap

  • 39 catchy in norway // May 10, 2013 at 10:20 AM

    31 jayphoto

    last season

    5th was fantastic, could and should have been higher

    i think luck did play a huge part,, who would have know chelsea would of had the season they did, looked shit , but still won the CL
    liverpool, spent fortunes, these 2 , on papaer were ment to finish above us,
    thats a whole lot of luck without kicking a ball,

    im hoping i will be as lucky and have pardew replaced :)

    this squad now can go places, really challenge,

    i predict man u will not win anything with him guiding them

    large stake on chelsea if jose goes there

  • 40 Santon03 // May 10, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    Jay#22

    Maybe there is too much pressure on Cisse, he is being put in the situation where he is the only goalscorer. I thought when we bought Gouffran, he was going to be Cisse’s competition, but he’s being played as winger. Cisee tried too hard imo, that’s why caught off-side too many times.

    TS
    I don’t know if location can effect creating talents.

  • 41 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 10:24 AM

    my monies on Liverpool next season! 25-1 as well. Im assuming now Fergies retired they are allowed to win a title again! Think now they are fully used to Rodgers style, with a couple additions they will be a top team, coutinho looks a player, sturridge has always been decent and Suarez for me is the best player in the league if you go on footballing reasons only! Plus they;ve got no europa league or champions league to sidetrack them!

  • 42 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 10:29 AM

    to be honest, I think with a decent manager our reserve team would be about 17th! so our first team should be top 8 without a shadow of a doubt! I count 9 from our first 11 that would be good enough to start for one of the top 5 clubs. Krul, Debuchy, MYM, collocini, HBA, Sissoko, An on form Tiote, Cabaye and Cisse! add players like Jonas, Gouffran, Marveaux, Anita etc and we should around teams like spurs and everton! All in all, with the injuries that we’ve had in to account, I think 8th would have been acceptable, 9th at a push!

  • 43 catchy in norway // May 10, 2013 at 10:31 AM

    jayphoto

    best goal of the season for me was suarez v us, his touch on the shoulder to bring that down from the clouds,
    unreal

    i think liverpool will be up there,, thiink they lack a big enough squad, its very week in places,, so this summer is going to be huge for a lot of clubs

  • 44 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 10:32 AM

    iv’e heard rumors that QPR will not be playing there full side against us and they could be bringing on young players.

    well i wonder if Pard’s will go attacking or defending when the match kicks off, my guess he will defend at the 1st second the lads step on that field considering he doesn’t know the meaning of the word attack

  • 45 catchy in norway // May 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM

    jayphoto

    with that squad,,

    top 6 and no less

    there is no way ars spuds liv have better squads than us, we lack forwards

    but its all about managers

  • 46 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 10:34 AM

    I still think

    AFC
    MUFC
    CFC
    MCFC

    are a lot strongerr than LFC + their mentality is not the same. long way to go for them. forget the 6-0 hammering they gave us. They couldn’t even score against RFC and WHUFC

  • 47 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 10:36 AM

    i think our squad even with injuries should be sat in 8th…ahead of west brom.

    Think the teams above that all have either a very good goal scorer or lots of players who score goals.

  • 48 MrMojoRisin76 // May 10, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    Jay
    ” I see catchy on here say that even when we finished 5th the football was awful, and I agree, it was!
    This is getting beyond a joke now now,Can you explain to me how a football team can finish 5th in the hardest league on the planet and play awful football?
    This is my last message,this blog is a joke,when “fans” want to undermine our great achievements just to fuel their hate for our manager something is seriously wrong.

  • 49 Newcastle Brown Alien // May 10, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    If wigan lose and we draw, are we safe?

  • 50 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 10:37 AM

    if we stay up and secure a spot in the PL, these incoming transfers positions must be

    CB x 2
    RB
    Wingers x 3
    Strikers x 2

  • 51 catchy in norway // May 10, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    MrMojoRisin76

    good morning to you

    if you want to know,, buy the book

    your a prick and dont deserve anyones time

    thank you

  • 52 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    indian

    liverpool have some good players, especially after january

    They have a world class player in suarez who carried them…we haven’t had that player.

    They are adding more talent around him and know how to use the squad properly…always get games where teams can’t core either through poor finishing or good goalkeeping…the key was they made a lot of chances in those 2 games you mention.

  • 53 Ian Toon // May 10, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    Mr Ernest Hemingway- Alex Gilliead is an excellent prospect. He was a late starter with the academy because he played for Swalwell Juniors and I saw him excell at that level a few years back. Since joining the academy Shearer has mentioned him favourably a few times and awarded him the Jack Hixon trophy last year. I share the view that we need to work on a shared sense of player dentity at club and national level. Given Ashley’s propensity to spend wisely investment in the academy makes sound financial sense, even with a delay in the return . Because of European law UEFA have little influence in player movement and I have no problem in bringing in 16-17 year olds from all over the world. . Just as Arsenal produced Fabregas so we developed Tim Krul.
    Fray Bentos – I don’t agree with the blithe comment from Cyprus to you of living in the past century. I think it’s forward thinking in seeking to reverse the trend of decline in the highly talented English born youngsters -off hand I can’t think of too many aside from Wilshere.
    Looking at the world and European model of leagues comprised of mainly homegrown players Spain and Germany lead the way. In more ways than one.

  • 54 WWYCD // May 10, 2013 at 10:40 AM

    jayphoto
    Liverpool will be allowed to win the title again? Haha please tell me thats tongue in cheek?

  • 55 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    CB x 2 Okore, Sakho
    RB Corchia
    Wingers x 3 Allion, Greizmen, Martins
    Striker x 2 PEA, Benteke

  • 56 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    mojo

    posted this earlier….let me know what you think

    i really do see the points that both cathcy and manx make, two opposite ends of the spectrum.

    I think Pardew has had a hard time of it this season. He lacked new players, had a few mid-long term injuries to his big players, colo, benny and cabaye. He never got new players and was sometimes forced to play kids like sammy/fergie who just aren’t good enough.

    However this does not excuse what has been a lot of poor decisions.

    -cisse on the right
    – no creativity/invention on set plays
    – being way too defensive
    – not playing marvoux (you can surely have one player in the side who doesn’t need to track back)
    – playing people out of position just to get them a game (can’t always be helped but in some games this was a choice, not forced on him)
    – very defensive tactics since he joined, not just this year (2nd least chances created last year)

    – lack of meaningful chances this year – 3rd highest % shots outside the box and lowest % shots inside 6 yard box (i posted a link, can repost when i get home if people need to see)

    I think with what has been available this year we should be top 10 if not 8/9th. Just my view but that’s how I see it.

    I would be willing to give pardew a few months next season BUT if we do that it means we will struggle to get a manager as good 2 months into the season (if he got sacked) compared to if we hired a new guy in the summer. Which is why I want a new manager in the summer.

  • 57 Hatem's better than Messi // May 10, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    There are only two top teams.
    Manure and Citeh. They are miles ahead.
    If Manure have a wobble because of Moyes.
    Citeh will win the league.

    If Chelsea get the “Special One” back and he has a treasure chest then all bets are off :-)

    Liverpool may push for a CL spot.

    We’re looking at 7th – 10th most seasons.
    Only higher if Carr finds some gems and Ashley spends big.

  • 58 ganiyu // May 10, 2013 at 10:42 AM

    Sell colo and keep mr pardew. I believe he is the man to take us forward.

  • 59 Generic Commenter // May 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Newcastle Brown,

    Yes we will be safe, we will be on 39 points and Wigan will be on 35, meaning they can only get 3 points of the 4 they need

  • 60 catchy in norway // May 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    Black and White with an army

    if we stay up, we will have a huge fight on for players

    ther is so much money flying around now, wages will have a huge say in who goes where,,

    i think its forwards and wingers we need, first and formost

  • 61 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    ganiyu

    you are kidding right?

  • 62 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    @WWYCD aye mate it is :-) I like to imagine Fergie as some kind of Lord of the rings Guardian stopping the Bin Dippers from winning the league! “you shalst not pass!!!”

  • 63 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    catchy

    I think we need 2 forwards (1 with pace), a winger/wide man who can chip in with goals and then a CB

    those 4 should be enough providing nobody leaves.

  • 64 Newcastle Brown Alien // May 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    army, we don’t need that many wingers, a cm is much more important like siem de jong, but in terms of wing we have gouffran, hba, gutierrez, marveaux, santon, and at a push sissoko. for me
    strikers x 2
    cm x 2
    cb x 2
    rb x 2
    utility x 1 (someone like perch, only better)
    goalie x 1 (not necessarilty a krul replacement, but better backup than elliot)

  • 65 WWYCD // May 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM

    Black and White
    I dont think we need 2 CBs one if Colo leaves imo if he stays we probably dont need any.
    RB yes but ur suggestion from my reading has pretty much agreed to an Arsenal move
    3 wingers? Doubt it 1 would do
    Strikers we could do with 2 but realistically if we got PEA then hes a winger/striker so both problem areas would be seen as solved

  • 66 Ian Toon // May 10, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    David Moyes the longest serving Everton manager not too have won anything.

  • 67 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    catchy in norway

    i know mate, but we need a good set up of rotation players plus colo could be gone and we can’t expect Taylor to put in a full season

  • 68 Spotlight Kid // May 10, 2013 at 10:46 AM

    B&W Army

    As I said over an hour ago whatever team ‘Arry puts out it will be with the intention of losing the game. He doesn’t want the toon to go down, and in doing so potentially block off QPRs automatic promotion hopes. Logical, innit?

    If Pardew still manages to lose the game on Sunday he needs certifying (as well as sacking). P***-ups in breweries comes to mind.

  • 69 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 10:47 AM

    jay

    I think moyes will do well at everton..he is well respected in football. Man utd have nearly all their players having 2+ years experience in the league so will know what it’s like playing everton and what moyes reputation is.

    I think moyes is also a smart man and won’t be too proud to spend all summer seeking guidance from sir alex and plenty people in the club as how to go forward.

    He may not win the league straight away but i think he will have them up their still.

  • 70 catchy in norway // May 10, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    Transfer Sage

    agreed

    id like campbell to play a part,, he has pace, and still unkown
    pea benteki, good shouts,

    but we need more supply

  • 71 WWYCD // May 10, 2013 at 10:48 AM

    jayphoto
    Haha thought u might of been infected by a Liverpool supporter there 😉 I can see Liverpool top 7 but I dont see them breaking into the CL spots on a regular basis

    And am sure thats how Fergie sees himself as well haha

  • 72 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    I think at the moment, Pardew, and the squad we have doesn’t fit well together! It’s a bad sign that it took Collocini to come back from Argentina for our players to show any fight! Hearing from press that he’s crucial in the dressing room? I’d hope pardew could motivate the players without a player most likely to leave in the summer!
    That said, i think Pardew could guide us to top 8 next season, but he’d need to be backed with players that fit his style! A big striker and some direct wingers! To be fair, it’s cheaper to get a manager to fit a squad then a squad to fit a manager and the one benefit of our system is that because Pardew doesn’t have control of the players, the squad wouldn’t be overhauled if he were to leave

  • 73 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    With Injuries, will Wigan get any more points! Could do but ithink they will get a spanking at AFC, like we did when we played Arsenal after they had a free matchday before that.

  • 74 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM

    WWYCD

    1 winger have you considered the fact that Marv and HBA are injury prone and for PEA i would have him at top he could be like Suarez

  • 75 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    Sage

    I agree with everything apart from one little tiny miniscule point (and who would I be if I Didn’t Disagee)

    Sammy and Fergie were never forced to play. Pardew had confidence in them and played them ahead of Marveaux at the time. They got EL games and a few goes in the PL but didn’t have much of an effect so were relegated to bench duties and sporadic appearances.

    Now I think injury forced Pardew to put them on the bench at times but he had faith in them at the beginning of the season, no doubt about it.

    Injury forced Pardew to play Anita, Perch and Marveaux.

  • 76 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    @TS – I think Moyes is a fantastic appointment! Lets be honest, theres not a lot wrong at Man Utd, Moyes won’t make big changes, hearing he’s possibly going to take Phil Neville as a coach too which is someone else who knows that club! A Mourinho or Guardiola would have seen a whole infrastructure overhaul, coaches changed, philosophys changed etc! Moyes will keep the system the same but has the personality and integrity to make sure the playerss don’t take the proverbial! If im honest i don’t think we’ll see a change in man utds stance and position for a few seasons yet! It won’t be until the current crop need replacing and a new squad rebuilding that we see if Moyes can cut it there, think it’ll be business as usual for next 2 seasons!

  • 77 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    WWYCD

    also Marv and HBA are best played as AMC so really we no decent wingers at all well maybe goofy but he’s not a natural winger

  • 78 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 10:56 AM

    @beattie – agree with you there! Same with HBA the season before, only got a chance when injuries meant that there was no other option!
    Really perplexed about whats happened with Anita, was starting to look a good player, around xmas he actually looked our best player, now he’s behind Dan Gosling….

  • 79 WWYCD // May 10, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Black and White
    Still have Gouffran, Fergy, Sammy, Jonas and Sissoko on the wage bill who can all play on the wing so thats 7 to fill 2 spots and u think Ashley will sanction 3 more to add to that?

  • 80 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    @76 – ironically, Gouffran was most successful at Bordeaux playing up top on his own in the role we use Cisse in!

  • 81 WWYCD // May 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM

    Beattie
    It can be argued that Ashley told Pardew to play more youngsters at the beginning of the season because he wasn’t going to be buying more established players

  • 82 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM

    beattie

    I can’t remember exactly all our team sheets so maybe you are right….i was thinking he had to play some of them in the odd game, brighton away being the main one. But yes, most were his decision.

  • 83 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 11:00 AM

    WWYCD

    so your saying that instead of bringing in 2 natural wingers you would be happy with Gouffran, Fergy, Sammy, Jonas and Sissoko to fill in the role?

  • 84 jayphoto // May 10, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    actually think Fergie is our best available option on that left wing at the moment! He’s quick, tricky, works hard and can whip a ball in! I know Jonas protects the full back, but if MYM is at left back like he will be then he doesn’t need that protection, he’s defensively sound! Would go as far as saying Fergie is our only natural wide left attacking player, it’d be nice to see positions filled with players that naturally play there! If it means Gouffran drops to the bench then at least we have a better forward option than shola to bring on on that 60th minute that pardew seems so fond of

  • 85 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    WWYCD

    But why play them before Marveaux nd others

  • 86 Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter) // May 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    Playing with Jonas is like playing with 2 full backs, and full backs have more assists than him.

  • 87 WWYCD // May 10, 2013 at 11:05 AM

    Black and White
    Am saying Ashley will be more than happy

    Indian Mag
    Because its better for them to learn when we arent in trouble if they do well then its great if it goes poorly then the injury prone players could pick us up…only they didnt

  • 88 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    if Rafa came to Newcastle ( hopefully ) who would stay and who would go?

  • 89 Slank // May 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM

    Transfer Sage @ 68 & jayphoto @ 75

    It is very interesting that ManU went for Moyes who has limited experience of Europe and who has not won anything at Everton.

    Clearly they see him as a safe pair of hands, who has demonstrated loyalty and an ability to work on a limited budget, who also has the character and intelligence to only tweek things here and there and not tear everything up like many, nearly all, managers do in a new job. I suspect that Mourinho or Guardiola would have done just that.

    I wonder whether Martinez featured in the pecking as he comes across as another with similar characteristics.

  • 90 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    Rafa’s opinion

    out

    Obertan, sammy, jonas, perch, R. Taylor, Williamson, shola, Elliot, gosling.

    keeps in

    Krull, Debuchy, santon, haidara, colo, S. Taylor, MYM, sissoko, tiote, anita, cabaye, goofy, marv, HBA, cisse

    Rafa’s needs

    CB x 2, RB, Wingers x 2, Striker x 2

    Rafa plays 4231

  • 91 colwell // May 10, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Too many people rate our players way over the top, I’m guilty of this as well.

    Ok we have some French internationals but its not like they are a force anymore is it? Cabaye has to be the most overated has a good game every 6/7 can’t put a corner in too save his life. HBA is our best but apart from always being injured the amount of times he puts us under pressure is ridiculous.

    If our players were as good as we all think they are we’d not be hanging on by the skin of our teeth. No matter how useless our manager is its the players that seem to have forgotten how too play.

    The other funny thing when we sold Ba most said it’s fine Cisse can play in the centre now, well Cisse is no where near as good as Ba, he was always a threat Cisse can’t even control the ball.

  • 92 Jail for Ashley // May 10, 2013 at 11:17 AM

    Seeing all the managers that Everton are being linked with,I think we can all have a huge sigh of relief safe in the knowledge our illustrious leader and business genius Mike Ashley gave Pardew an eight year contract.

  • 93 Black and White with an army lol // May 10, 2013 at 11:18 AM

    also fergy and bigi will be loaned out and simpson out of contract

  • 94 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 11:20 AM

    slank

    not a chance they would have looked at martinez…took a team from safe midtable finishers to constant relegation…all style no substance.

  • 95 toonluvva // May 10, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    To answer the 2 questions posed by Ed.

    No, we won’t keep Colo next season.

    No, Pardew is not the best manager to move the Toon forward.

    Sad, but nevertheless true.

  • 96 Carryingcoals // May 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM

    Morning all, how many times do you think NUFC have managed to beat Fergie’s Man United since he joined the club in 1986?

    An article looking back at when the toon got the better of Manure! I’m too nervous about tomorrow and needed a distraction…

    When Newcastle United Got The Better Of Sir Alex : http://www.carryingcoals.com/?p=561

  • 97 toonluvva // May 10, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    If the club was run properly there would not be a problem.

    Our situation regards relegation could be settled by the middle of next week. If we beat QPR and Arsenal beat Wigan, then we are safe.

    In the meantime, business must be conducted hoping for the best.

    Best bit of business would be to replace Llambias & Pardew as soon as possible. Final whistle of the Arsenal match would be ideal.

    If it’s true that we don’t have a pay cut clause for relegation in our players contracts, then if we do go down we should be able to hold onto more of our squad. This will help in the push for promotion if it comes to that.

  • 98 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    toonluva

    i have no problem with llambias being kept on to work on business side like sponsoship etc (not that he’s done much there, ours is less than half of sunderlands deal) but we need somebody to work with him and advise on transfer dealings and give him true values not what he thinks we should pay.

  • 99 Jail for Ashley // May 10, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    WW…,
    “It can be argued that Ashley told Pardew to play more youngsters at the beginning of the season because he wasn’t going to be buying more established players.”
    Pardew has taken the flack for advising Mashley that these players were ready,I can’t imagine any manager pleading with their tight fisted owners not to buy anymore players because their youngsters with a handful of PL games between them were ready for an assault on the league and Eriope

  • 100 Le Belfast 007 // May 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Think it’s time to knock the whole French thing in the head now to be honest. I know the price of English players is a joke like, but I’m sure we could pick up a few good English players on the cheap, if we tried hard enough.

  • 101 WWYCD // May 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    JfA
    Am sure after Raylor crocked out near the end of the transfer window Pardew openly said he was after more players until Ashley got in his ear again and suddenly the season ending injury to one of our more established players was perfectly fine by all

  • 102 Transfer Sage // May 10, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    jail

    I think most people accept pardew got the job as he was going to be a pushover and would toe the party line with Ashley and not make waves. He has just been sacked from league 1 so always going to do as he is told with newcastle.

    Regardless of how people rate him and what he has done here I think most would agree he got the job for the above and not for an outstanding CV.

  • 103 Jail for Ashley // May 10, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    WW…,
    I remember it all to well an Aboriginal hunter would have been proud with a U turn like that.

  • 104 WWYCD // May 10, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    JfA
    To my memory it was post match interview where he said he wanted more in then the next day suddenly he was over the moon with what we had….fishy fishy fishy as standard for NUFC I suppose

  • 105 Beattie25 // May 10, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    cowell

    I don’t think lots of people overrate the players.

    PL standard players should be able to pass the ball,retain the ball and play some level of professional football.

    International players should be above the level of ordinary players and should by rights have the ability to play better than weaker opponents.

    The issue isn’t people overrating them, I think it is fair to say that the players playing for NUFC are not shit enough to see 17th place as their level.

    The problem is why they are playing so poorly?

    Everyone has their own opinions but I don’t think people are claiming these players should be fighting for the league. Most people think they should be doing a lot better than they are.

  • 106 flash // May 10, 2013 at 12:11 PM

    The whole setup of the development department has to undergo a complete overhaul. Coaches who are Top notch must be brought in. The approach on how to develop youngsters is overall not good enough in England. Looking at France, Holland, Germany, Spain who produced 1 player after the next that we admire and want to sign and debate on these blogs are produced in similar methotologies. This means freedom to develop their skills, coordination and balance (benny is a prime example). From a physical development point you only need to start conditioning with an age of 14+. Up to this point it should all be around tequniqe, creativity, coordination(to support the natural growth) and not forgett to let them know they have 2 feet not only 1. This approach is used in the above mentioned countries, prime examples Ajax academy, Clair fontain, Barcelona accademy. Famous statement of Guardiola was why the hype around Whisher I have 4 or 5 in reserves.

  • 107 nufc 11 // May 10, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    The funny thing about AP plans for the team were to get rid of nolan, barton, best, and the likes to bring in more expansive players to pass the ball around better play a different style, What has happened? Cant AP implement his own stamp on a team of his choseing? Not play the long ball anymore? Weve gone bkwards if anything, funny how David Moyles wasnt good enough for spurs last summer and was always over looked 4 big jobs only to get the biggest of all longetivety is the key to all good managers unfortunetly i dnt see AP sticking around much longer, borrowed time if anything…..




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