Newcastle Thinking Ahead In A Positive Way


It was a surprise to us that our new French players did not have pay-cut clauses put in their contracts if we are relegated, when they signed in January, and as a contrast, QPR to attract top players had to put release clauses in the contracts of their new players, so that Loic Remy and others could quickly leave the club if they were relegated.

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Llambias and Ashley – Newcastle in good shape financially

Sunderland demand a clause of decreased wages in their player’s contracts if they are relegated.

QPR are relegated, and their top players will leave the club just as soon as they can after the season ends – and we are hoping we can smash the London side on Sunday, and be safe, but we have our doubts.

The Northern Echo is reporting today hat Newcastle decided not to put pay-cut clauses into the contracts of any new players signed,  after we were promoted a short three years ago.

And it seems that part of that decision was based on the increasingly bright financial picture at the club – and Newcastle were the 20th club in the word based on revenues for last season,  and also the 20th most valuable football  club by Forbes magazine.

We hope and pray relegation will not happen, because we’ll miss out on £60M next season from the new TV deal, but it seems that if Newcastle are relegated, the club will still be in a much healthier position to keep paying the players their top wages, and hopefully we’ll be able to hang onto some of the better players.

It’s a bit worrying though with the World Cup a little over a year away in Brazil, and top players will hardly want to play in England’s second division next season.

There have also been big increases in the parachute payments made to relegated sides, so if the disaster did happen and we are relegated,  it’s a decent bet that we could have a very good side next season in the Championship, and get straight back up.

But another relegation in four years is the last thing we want to happen, if indeed we are building a top side for the future – which is what we thought was happening.

It’s a huge embarrassment to be battling smaller clubs like QPR, Reading, Southampton, Norwich and QPR to survive this season – but that’s what’s happened.

Better to avoid relegation now – by winning at QPR on Sunday -and then the summer transfer window should be extra exciting for Newcastle fans, as we feel almost certain that Mike Ashley will strengthen the squad big time this summer, after what has been a disastrous season for the club.

Here’s hoping.

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41 comments so far

  • Santon03

    May 10, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #1

    Lilong

    If you are in NUFC scout team, which country you would like scout in Europe other than England and France?

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  • jayphoto

    May 10, 2013 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #2

    think our scouts should be looking at switzerland and serbia! Both have some unbelievable players coming through! Be quite happy if we take charlie Austin on in the summer, or Jordan Rhodes, seen both this season and reckon both would score in the premier league!

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 10, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    Comment #3

    santon

    going to butt in again

    i’d scout slovakia, poland, croatia, germany, turkey

    i’d also look elsewhere at morocco as well.

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  • jayphoto

    May 10, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #4

    On the last thread, I think fergie leaving man utd might have just kept us Cabaye next season! Heard from numerous people that Man Utd and fergie have been watching him and even in contact with him all season, now ferguson is gone that move is much less likely, wouldn’t shock me if moyes spent the money raiding everton for baines and fellaini!

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 10, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #5

    jay

    rohodes would be good i think.

    and serbia is a good shout, forget them.

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  • cyprus

    May 10, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    Comment #6

    Ed,
    I see your point, but putting in relegation clauses is both suspicious and embarrassing. Do your Evertons, Liverpools and such teams, which we aspire to compete against, even contemplate such clauses?

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  • jayphoto

    May 10, 2013 at 9:12 AM

    Comment #7

    TS- if you’re scouting morocco, then surely Algeria too? some very very good players coming out of the northern african clubs! Saying that, french clubs snatch them up at early ages, it’s always a good idea to keep an eye on Bastia, Le Havre and Lens academies, they have great eyes for very young talent and develop it well!

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 10, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #8

    jay

    I think it could still be an issue, ferguson is taking on a role as director so will surely have some influence on incomings, at least put the names to moyes.

    I think they will get fellaini but not baines, they don’t need baines.

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  • check the toastie

    May 10, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #9

    There is only one thing Mike Ashley needs to do after the Arsenal game, and that is to replce our Inept ‘Manager’. After that i dont give a f#ck.

    Strongly believe the existing squad if used properly could be top 6 next year.

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  • Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter)

    May 10, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #10

    CYPRUS

    Putting relegation clauses will tell players about our ambition and then no one would want to come

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  • jayphoto

    May 10, 2013 at 9:14 AM

    Comment #11

    i’m pretty sure in 5-7 years when he is playing at Madrid or Milan after a 30m move, we’ll all be remembering when we nearly brought Thauvin for 3.5m…… that kids a crazy talent, can go all the way if he puts the man hours in

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  • Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter)

    May 10, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #12

    Why not scout Belgium

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 10, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #13

    jay

    yeh that would be good, don’t see why we haven’t got scouts in many places. Or if we do why we only really dip into the french and dutch market.

    I know we have scouts in south america for certain.

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  • Indian Magpie (HD_07 on Twitter)

    May 10, 2013 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #14

    There may be some Hazards in Belgium, but i am sure we can cope 😉

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 10, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #15

    check

    Still think our squad is short of top 6.

    We lack a good striker and a left sided player as well.

    Other than that we are well covered…maybe another CB too, especially if colo goes.

    Other than those positions I think anything else bought will be a push for top 4.

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  • fray bentos

    May 10, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #16

    I would prefer we spent more money on nurturing local talent then spending too much abroad if im honest, there must be something wrong with our academy, coaching setup and local scouting system if Shola and Taylor are the best players to come out of the Toon for a long time (no disrepect to either of them)

    I would sacrifice quality in the squad just to achieve this, as i get older the team has less and less to do with the city im from

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  • Santon03

    May 10, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #17

    Hehehe TS, it’s ok 🙂
    butt in anytime you like :), I don’t mind

    You don’t like Italians?

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 10, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    Comment #18

    indian

    write your own jokes? haha

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  • cyprus

    May 10, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #19

    Is there any betting on who will be Moyes first signing?
    Because there’s absolutely no doubt!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #20

    Cyprus,
    Amalfitano has all the hallmarks of a Carr signing, so yes he must take some blame for that one. Bigi was recommended to the club by someone, rather than being a Carr scouting. Having said that, I’m sure Carr will have watched prior to signing but won’t have compiled his usual dossier, so I think that one is a moot point for me.

    Sage,
    You are right, the training ground had extensive work done to combat these injury problems. The fact that a lot are pulls, strains or tears would suggest it is more to do with the coaching then the actual surfaces. Surface problems would result more in joint issues.(I am ignoring the freak ACL injury suffered by Raylor)

    As for forming links, it is definitely the way forward. And is something that we are supposedly looking at, but we shall see if it develops.

    Santon,
    It depends what we are after. The model is to sign low cost young players who will develop. In that case, Belgium is an excellent starting point. In the last 10 years there has been a lot of development into youth coaching there, learnt from the french and dutch, and it is starting to prove fruitful.

    If the budget was upped, Germany has some of the most exciting young talent around, but a lot are now well courted by top clubs.

    The thing is, there is top talent everywhere, if you are prepared to do your research and work to find it. Concentrating too hard on one country means you miss out on the rest of the countries.

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  • Ibizatoon - Back By Popular Demand

    May 10, 2013 at 9:19 AM

    Comment #21

    Check…Don’t forget about offering Simmo a new and improved contract.

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  • stopper

    May 10, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #22

    Regardless of of our result against QPR on Sunday what are people’s thoughts of the state of mind of the Wigan players going into the Arsenal game after either winning the FA cup of losing the FA cup.
    Would winning it mean that the players will now care less about the Arsenal game because they have a trophy or losing the FA cup mean that the players would be demoralised going into the game on Tuesday .
    Personally I’m undecided as to which way I’d prefer the FA cup match to go.

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  • cyprus

    May 10, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #23

    Fray,
    you’re in the wrong century, dude. What do Chelsea, Real, Manu and most others have in home grown talent? Romantic yes, practical no.

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 10, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #24

    santon

    I do like italian players but from what I see not many like to leave the country and those who do are very hit and miss elsewhere and often seem to want to head home after a couple years (who could blame them…lovely weather, food, everything really haha).

    Fray bentos

    Yeh I thin we should look around england, problem is if we sign them at 18-21 they cost a fortune usually, if we get them younger it’s difficult.

    Problem with english kids is too many are poorly trained from a young age and there is less emphasis on technical skill and much much more on picking the biggest/quickest/strongest etc.

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  • jayphoto

    May 10, 2013 at 9:21 AM

    Comment #25

    Check – think Pardew is a decent manager, not a great manager, but a decent one, problem is he isn’t adaptable! We would actually be better off if he got to buy his own players because at least then they’d fit the system, our big problem has come from him trying to put square pegs in round holes to fit how he wants to play! He wants a target man striker, we don’t have one so poor cisse plays the role of a target man when really I don’t think cisse should look to even touch a ball unless hes within 25 yards of goal! he certainly can’t hold the ball up! Pardew is a very very english style manager, if you gave him west ham or stokes team i think he’d finish top half comfortably, just we have the most continental team in the league and Pardew has no clue as to what system will suit a more cultured type of player! For me the board need to choose between Pardew and Carr. if its GC then draft a manager with the same footballing philosophies and let them work together, if they choose AP then let him buy Carroll, tompkins etc, either way would work better than watching Pardew use these ferrari like players in a destruction derby

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 10, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #26

    stopper

    I think the big issue with the FA Cup final is that man city will run the wigan players ragged. They will pull them all over the park and have them really chasing the game.

    Three days before they play arsenal, another team who will run them, might just leave them a little tired and only 80/90% which won’t be enough for them to take poitns from arsenal I don’t think.

    Wigan rely on very high energy, they won’t have that after the cup final I don’t think.

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  • jayphoto

    May 10, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #27

    TS- I remember a good 15 years ago when i was part of the villa academy, they actually looked for technical ball players! And won a lot of games at youth level playing technical football! Really good football actually! When we all got to 17 not one player from that year group was kept on, the youth coaches had the right idea, but higher up they were just looking for height strength and speed! Wonder how many great players england has missed out on over the years because of this way!

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  • Santon03

    May 10, 2013 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #28

    What about Asian country like Japan? They have policy that any European clubs who approach their players, they will allow for very cheap price, I heard max signing fee is 200,000 euro. It’s JFA rules and the Japanese clubs must obey, but I don’t know if work permit will be an issue or not.

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  • fray bentos

    May 10, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    Comment #29

    I don’t care if im in the wrong century, football is slowly dying im afraid, i often ask myself why support a club when they have nowt to do with where your from!? the only thing that links me to the club is the fans sitting next to me and maybe Steven Taylor and a few of the kids, thats it

    @transfer

    Im not talking about buying players from 18-21, im talking about setting up a better infrastructure for kids training and development, the problem is that this system would take many years to show any results or success and Mike might not be here that long so i doubt he cares

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  • Santon03

    May 10, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    Comment #30

    TS

    Especially the girls hahahaha

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  • armchair fan

    May 10, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    Comment #31

    My prediction for the bottom 5

    Villa 40 pts
    Wigan 39 pts
    Newcastle 39 pts
    Sunderland 38 pts
    Norwich 38 pts (don’t see them getting a result)
    QPR
    Reading

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  • armchair fan

    May 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #32

    Bottom 6*

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  • Harley

    May 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #33

    Stopper

    I’d prefer them to lose the cup as hopefully their morale will be low. I have a feeling after the Swansea game the Wigan players may have had the belief knocked out of them. It was a huge loss after leading twice.

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  • Transfer Sage

    May 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #34

    jay

    Pardew had a system that wasn’t pretty but it worked last year. I don’t buy the luck over the 38 games like some say, got to be doing something right.

    What I do think he has shown this year, is that like you say eh cannot adapt. When your key men are out you need to find a way to get points, even just a draw. We lost way too many games when missing cabaye, should have gotten 4/5 more draws, maybe even a win or two and we’d be much safer now.

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  • ErnestHemingway

    May 10, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #35

    Out of the youngsters we have at the club, I think the pick of the bunch is gilliead. I saw him play 3 years ago and he looked excellent, really classy on the ball, technically a top player and he wasn’t physically small so he will be able to handle top level football. I’ve seen him about 10 times since then and he has improved loads. Not prolific by any stretch of the imagination but he has got something about him. Can beat a man, can cross, can score a goal. Very, very good.

    Realistically, Ferguson, Sammy, vuckic….these guys won’t make it at our club.

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  • cyprus

    May 10, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #36

    Jayphoto,
    Sports, importantly, is not racist. The better players, wherever they are from, go up to the next level… This argument, that homegrown players miss out because of imports, is one that I’ve heard in many countries.

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  • Santon03

    May 10, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #37

    If I were a scout for this club, I would go to Italy for defenders and DM, Germany for attacking Midfield, and Holland for strikers.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    May 10, 2013 at 9:34 AM

    Comment #38

    Fray,
    That is exactly what Ashley is trying to implement, but initially he needs to supplement the young talent with signings who are 17/18/19. His entire vision is based on the club producing its own players. Unfortunately, so far he has either been ill advised, or didn’t realise the extent to which he needs to re structure. It doesn’t help having coaches that can’t coach, but tell him what he wants to hear. Beardsley needs shipping out, Stone Pardew, I could go on. It is a wholesale backroom change, and a change in method of development. Hopefully he will realise and implement this summer.

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  • Harley

    May 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM

    Comment #39

    Assuming we are having a bit of a clear out this summer, does everyone pretty much agree that the following players will be gone-

    Obertan, simo, wilo, gosling, harper, plus a few youngsters. I’d love to see coloccini stay so I’ve not added him.

    Does anyone think there’ll be others sold not including youngsters?

    Also does anyone think there’s any point in keeping Anita if we’re not going to use him? We could get our money back and use it for someone else.

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  • donkey

    May 10, 2013 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #40

    strange to think but if messi was english would he have ever made it man u turned him down and a lot of other team suprisingly. Barcalona were the only team willing to gamble on his hormone tablets need to take a leaf out of ajax and barcalona academys thats the only way nufc can compete with the chelseas and man citys by having a super cutting edge youth system the talent has allways been there just got to give it a nudge

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